Black HIstory Fact #15:Sally Hemmings

What's going on, everybody. Welcome to another episode of a day with crime, black history fact edition. Of course I am your man, David. Let's jump in. 

Today's. Has been dressed in controversy for over 200 years.

And we are going to talk about one of the most famous African-American women that you may have never heard of, but of black history was taught in schools properly. You will know exactly who she is and her [00:01:00] name is Sally Hemings. So why has it been dressed in controversy for 200 years? If you've never heard the name, Sally Hemi.

Well, I'm going to tell you. Sally Hemings, as one of the most famous and least known African American women in us history for more than 200 gears, her name has been linked to Thomas Jefferson as his computer. Obscuring the facts of her life and her identity.

The historical question of whether Jefferson was the father of Hemings, his children is the subject of the Jefferson Hemings controversy following renewed historical analysis in the late 20th century and the 1998 DNA study, which was completed in 1999 and was published as a report in 2000. It found a match between the Jefferson mail line in the descendant of Hemings, his youngest son Eston Hemings, the Monticello [00:02:00] foundation asserted that Jefferson fathered estin and likely her other five children as well.

However, there are some who disagree in 2018, the Thomas Jefferson foundation of Monticello announced his plans to have an exhibit title life of Sally. And affirm that it was treating as a settled issue. That Jefferson was the father of her known children. The exhibit opened in June of 2018. This one may be a little bit longer folks because there's a lot of stuff to unpack, but we going to unpack it and we're going to talk about it all because I would not be doing you justice or this whole situation.

If I just cut this short and I give you all of the particulars. So I hope you have time to listen to everything that's coming out here, because this is one of those things that is hitting, and I'm sure I'm gonna have people coming at me, but just like with the whole statute. Nobody wanted [00:03:00] to believe that I had one person to come at me and one to grill me on that and give me facts that was found on the internet.

Those facts are fake and they have been fake for more than 150 years because the government wishes to cover that up. And it's the exact same thing with Sally Hemings, but you're going to see what happens though. When the descendants of Jefferson who are white, come all together and talk about this whole situation.

Let's get into it. So Sarah, Sally Hemings was born sometime in 1773 and she passed away sometime the 1835. They figure she was between the ages of 61 and 62. When she passed, she was an enslaved woman of mixed race. She was owned by president Thomas Jefferson. Multiple lines of evidence indicate that Jefferson had a long-term sexual relationship with Hemmings.

And his story is now Raleigh agree that he was the [00:04:00] father of her six children. Hemmings was a half sister of Jefferson's wife, Martha Jefferson, four Hemings. His children survived into adulthood and Hemings died in Charlottesville, Virginia in 1835. If you didn't hear me, right, you heard me? Sally was a half-sister.

Of Martha Jefferson, just let that sink in for a minute. And I will say this, but we get deeper into it. You know, this is something that black people is known. Our whole existence. We always have known that the slave owners have always had sexual affairs. The slaves. It's just that the white population has tried to deny that for hundreds of years.

And this is why to me, racism is stupid because long before I wasn't even walking the earth and lonely for a lot of you guys, even walking the earth, there was children of mixed race because of [00:05:00] slavery. And because of slave owners taking advantage of that, you hadn't still, we still have people that don't agree with interracial marriage or black people.

It's kind of strange. All right. So in her early life, she was born to Elizabeth, Betty Hemmings. Her mother lived from 1735 to 1807 and she was a woman who was also born into slavery. Sally's father was their master John Wales of 17, 15, and died in 1773. So you got that right? Sally's father. Was the master of her mother and then became Sally's master Betty's parents were another enslaved woman, a full blooded African and John Hemmings and English sea captain, a net Gordon Reed, speculates that Betty's mother's name was per [00:06:00] Thena or Parthenia based on the wills of Francis Epps, the fourth.

And John will. John Hemmings, try to purchase them from EPS, but the Plenti refused upon emphasis passing part, Athena and Betty were inherited by his daughter, Martha Epps, who took them with her as personal slaves upon her marriage to Wales. John Wells was the son of Edward and Ellen Wells, both from Lancaster, England, following Martha's death, Wells remarried and was widowed twice.

Several sources assert that Wells took Betty Hemings as his concubine and has six children by her doing the last 12 years of his life. The youngest of these being Sally Hemings, these children were half siblings to his daughters by his wives, his first child, Martha wills named after her mother, John Will's first wife [00:07:00] married the younger planter and future statesman.

Thomas Jeffrey. I know that can be confusing. And I had to listen to it a couple more times, but you may be asked the same question I did. So if Sally was technically half white, where they enslaving their own people at this point. So in case you're confused, don't worry. Leave all of this for you in the show notes, listen to this a couple more times, but not you seeing that connection.

Sally's mother wasn't pregnant by her master, which we get Sally father, not only her. But her other six children over 12 years, they're all half siblings to his daughters by his wives and the first child, Martha Wells married, the younger planter and future statesman Thomas Jefferson, which became Martha Jefferson all in that same.

The children of Betty Hemings and John Wells were three quarters, European and [00:08:00] ancestry and fair skinned. According to the 1662 Virginia slave law children born to enslaved mothers were considered slaves under the principle, our partners. So quarter vent from the slave status of a child followed that of the mother, Betty and her children, including Sally Hemings and all Sally's children were legally.

All volva fathers were the white masters and the children were majority white ancestry. After John Wells died in 1773, his daughter, Martha and her husband, Thomas Jefferson inherited the Hemings family among a total of 135 slaves from wills as a state, along with 11,000 acres of land, the youngest of the six Wells Hemings children with.

An infant that year and about 25 years younger than Martha, she, her siblings, their mother and various other [00:09:00] enslaved persons were brought to Monticello Jefferson's home. As the mixed race Wells Hemings children grew up at Monticello. They were trained and given assignments as skilled artisans and domestic servants at the top of the slave higher.

Betty Hemings other children. And the descendants also makes raised, was bestowed privilege assignments as well. None worked in the fields. So that was their break being that they were the children of, you know, the slave owner. At one point, they did not do all of the hard labor that mostly did back then.

They called them probably house. Uh, because the fact that, you know, they probably lived in the house, they probably did things around the house. They didn't go outside in the fields. So they were probably looked at a little bit differently by all of the slaves who out there breaking the backs every day.

All right. So at one point after all of this, now this is where it gets starts [00:10:00] to get good. Sally ends up in Paris. So in 1784, Thomas Jefferson was appointed the American Envoy. He took his eldest daughter, Martha, with him to Paris, as well as some of the people he healed as his personal slaves. Now, let me give you this because of the fact that this is why, you know, you guys know I do my research.

You will notice stuff in between. So this was some time after Martha Jefferson had had died. Thomas Jefferson was beside himself. He didn't know what to do. His precious Martha was gone. He didn't really want to stick around anymore. He really didn't want to be president really. And they came to him, said, Hey, you know, there was an appointment over in France.

So he figured I'll go to France and to take my mind off it for a little bit. So at 1784, he went over to France and he took an appointment over there for the Americans. Okay. Don't believe me, you can look that up, but that's, that's the truth. So he took some of his own [00:11:00] personal slaves with him among them was Sally's elder brother, James Hemings, who became a chef train and French cuisine.

Jefferson left his two younger daughters in the care of their aunt and uncle Francis and Elizabeth Wells, EPS of epic mountain in Chesterfield county, Virginia. After his youngest daughter, Lucy Elizabeth died in 1780. Thomas Jefferson sent for her surviving daughter, nine year old Mary, who they call poly to live with him.

The enslaved teenagers, Sally Hemings was chosen to accompany Polly to France. After an older enslaved woman became pregnant and could not make the journey correspondence between Jeffersons and Abigail Adams indicates that Jefferson originally arranged for Polly to be in the care of her nurse, a black.

To whom she is confided with safety Adams wrote back the old nurse whom you expected to have attended her was sick and unable to come. She has a girl about [00:12:00] 15 or 16 with her in 1787, Sally age 14, a company Polly to London, and then to Paris where the widow Jefferson age 44 at the time we're serving guests as United States minister to.

Hemmings spent two years there. Most historians believe Jefferson and Hemings and sexual relationship began while they were in France or soon after they're returned to Monticello. The exact nature of the relationship remains unclear. The Monticello exhibition on Hemings used the phrase rape to indicate this lack of certainty and to acknowledge the power imbalance inherit and the relationship between a wealthy white male Envoy and a 14 year old black female.

For a female slave to refuse a master's sexual advances was illegal and Hemings remained enslaved in Jefferson's house until his death and 2017 a room identified as her [00:13:00] quarters at Monticello under the south terrorists was discovered in an archeological examination and it is being restored and refurbished.

Now we have to go back just a little bit because here's another chunk that is missing out of this whole. Sally had more advantage then a whole lot of other slaves dead, even her brothers and sisters, you see, there was no such thing as slavery in Paris, France. So when Sally went over to Paris, she had become basically a free woman.

She worked as a free woman. She get earned a wage as a free woman. She was not enslaved to any. So because of this, she was able to get some knowledge, some work knowledge, a little education, and some other things that other slaves were not able to get for the time that she spent in Paris. So you could pretty much say that Sally Hemings knew what it was like [00:14:00] to be free before she was even ever free, because she got to take that pilgrimage with Thomas Jefferson over to Paris.

Just filling in the blocks for you in case you didn't know this, there's a nice documentary out about Sally Hemi's. That's where I can point it, point you to it. That that goes through all of this, um, because it's very fascinating stuff to know about black history. So Paula and Sally landed in London where they stay with Abigail and John Adams from June 26th until July 10th, 70 to 86.

Jefferson's associate a Mr. Petite, arrange transportation and escorted the girls to Paris in a letter to Jefferson on June 27, 7 to 87. Abigail wrote the girl who was with poly as quite a child. And captain Ramsey is of opinion will be of so little service that he had better carry her back with him.

But of this, you will be a judge. She seems fun to the child and appears goodness. [00:15:00] On July six, every wrote to Jefferson, the girl she has with her wants more care than the child and is wholly incapable of looking properly after her, without some superior to direct her Sally Hemings humane in France for 26 months, slavery was abolished in that country.

After the revolution is 1789. Jefferson paid wages to her and James while they were in Paris. He pays Sally Hemings, the equivalent of $2 a day. In comparison. He paid James Hemings $4 a month as chef and training. And as part of $2 and 50 cents a month, the other French servants earned from $8 to $12 a month toward the end of their state, James used his money to pay for a French tutor and to learn the language.

And Sally was also learning friends. There is no record of where she lived. It may have been with Jefferson and her brother and the hotel law. Almost champs Elysees or at the convent, uh, bay [00:16:00] D pithy, where the girls, Maria and Martha were school, whatever the weekday arrangements, Jefferson and his routine, you spent weekends together at his Villa.

Jefferson purchased some clarifying clothing for him. Things would suggest that she had company Martha as a ladies made to formal events. According to her son Madison's memoir Hemings became pregnant by Jefferson and Paris. She was about 16 at the time under French law, Sally and James could have petition for their freedom, but if she returned to Virginia with Jefferson, it would be as a slave.

She agreed to return with him for 90 days based on his promise to free her children. When they came of age at 21 Hemings strong ties to her mother, siblings and extended family likely drew her back to Monticello. So basically what you heard there is yes, there was no such thing as slavery and France soul.

When Sally Hemings went over there, [00:17:00] she was able to live as a free woman before she was actually freed. She could have petitioned for her release, but decided to come back with Jefferson to Monticello. Now that has been part of the country. That if she didn't enjoy what was going on and so on and so forth, why didn't she take that time in Paris to go ahead and put in partition for their freedom, but like you heard, they think the family brought them back, uh, brought her back here and also Jefferson agreed to let her children go at 21.

So as a parent, you know, myself, if I could get my children free, if I was asleep, maybe I would keep myself. You know, as a slave, just so they have a life and they have a chance to be free. Parents do some weird things. Saudi goes back to United States in 1789, both celly and James return with Jefferson Jefferson.

[00:18:00] And this time was now 46 years old and seven years of whatever as shown by Jefferson's father-in-law John Wells, wealthy, Virginia Woodridge frequently had sexual relations with this label. And this would not have been unusual for Jefferson as well. White society Sibley expected these men to be discreet about such relationships.

So in other words, do this in the dark. Don't get caught up, go ahead and do what you got to do with your slaves, but let's make this as discreet as possible. So what that's pretty much saying according to Madison Sally's first child died soon after her return from. Those Jefferson records that have survived mutilation and purging note that Hemmings had six children after her return to the U S they're complete names are in some cases uncertain.

Now you heard me write the records that have survived mutilation. There has been speculation that some point these records were attempted to be destroyed and didn't happen. [00:19:00] So the names that we know was they said may not be complete, was Harriet. It was born October 5th, late 1795 passed away December 7th, 1797, Beverly Hemings, possibly William Beverly Hemings born April 1st at 1798 died sometime after 1873, a daughter possibly named Vania Hemings after Sally sister born in 1799 and she died in infancy, Harriet Hemi.

May 22nd, 1801 death date, unknown Madison Hemings, possibly James Madison Hemings born in January 19th, 1805. He passed sometime in 1877 and Eston Hemings, possibly named Thomas Eston Hemings May 21st, 1808 and passed sometime 1856. Jefferson recorded slave birds in [00:20:00] his farm. Unlike his practice and recording bursts of other slaves.

He did not note the father of Sally Hemings, his children, Sally Hemings documented duties at Monticello included being a nurse may companion ladies made chambermaid and seamstress. It is not known whether she was literate and she left no known writings. She was described as very fair with stray hair down her.

Jefferson's grandson. Thomas Jefferson Randolph described her as light colored and decidedly. Good looking. She is believed to have lived as an adult in a room in Monticello, south dependencies, a wing of the mansion, assessable to the main house through a covered passageway. It's 2017. The Monticello foundation announced that what they believe to be him is his room adjacent to Jefferson's bedroom.

Had been found through an archeological [00:21:00] excavation as part of the mountain top project. It was space that had been converted to other public uses in 1941. Hemi's this room will be restored and refurbished as part of a major restoration project for the complex its goals include telling the stories of all the families at Monticello, both slave and.

Hemi's never married as a slave. She could not have a marriage recognized under Virginia law, but many slaves at Monticello are known to have taken partners and coming law marriages and had stable lives. No such partnership of Hemings is noted in the records. She kept her children close by while she worked at Montessori.

And according to her son, Madison, while young, the children were permitted to stay about the great house and only be required to do such light work as going on errands. At the age of 14, each of the children began their training, the brothers with the plantation skill master [00:22:00] of carpentry and Harriet as a spinner and Weaver, the three boys all learned to play the violin was Jefferson himself.

So you got to kind of question yourself. This is the middle of slavery people for 200 years, everybody said, ain't no way that's his kids, but he did everything to keep his kids out of what they would consider real slavery. They're permitted to run around and the great house they took. Violin lessons only required to do such light work.

Any other stores? You've heard me say this butter, anything you read about slavery? How many slaves got that treatment? Other than that's some proof right there. In 1822 at the age of 24, Beverly ran away from Monticello and was not pursued his sister, Harriet him. He's 21 followed in the same year.

Apparently with at least tested permission, the overseer Edmund bacon said that he gave her $50, which would be 1060 $7 and 20 $19. [00:23:00] And put her on a stage coach to the north pursuant Lee to join her. And his memoir published puff muesli bacon said Harriet was near white and very beautiful. And that people said Jefferson freed her because she was his daughter.

However, bacon did not believe this to be true. Citing someone else coming out of Sally Hemings, his bedroom. The name of this person was left out by Reverend Hamilton w Pearson in his 1862 book, because he did not wish to cause pain to anyone living at that time.

Jefferson formerly freed only two slaves while he was living. Sally's older brothers, Robert who had to buy his freedom and James who was required to train his brother, Peter for three years to get his freedom. Jefferson eventually primarily puff muesli through his will freed all of Sally's surviving children, Beverly Harriet, Madison, and Eston as [00:24:00] they came of age.

Harriet was the only female slave Jefferson allowed to go free of the hundreds of enslaved individuals. He legally owned Jefferson free, only five in his will, all males from the Hemings family. They were also the only slave family group free by. Sally Hemings, his children were seven, eight European ancestry, and three of the four entered white society after gaining their freedom, their descendants, likewise identified as white.

His will also petitioned the legislature to allow the freed Hemings is to stay in the state. The reason for that is because of, I don't know how much anybody listening knows about slavery, but back then, if you were. You had so many days, I don't remember the day. I want to say 30, 60 days to get out of Virginia.

You could not stay in the state of Virginia once you were freed. If you were there after that time ran out, you could be, [00:25:00] and most likely would have. Uh, put back into slavery. So this is why, because this has always been Sally's home. And as you can see through what I'm telling you right now, Jefferson was very fond of Sally and of the Hemings family.

You got to kind of keep that in the back of your mind. He partitioned the legislature to let them stay in Virginia with Sally did up until the time that she died. It does go on to say the no documentation has been found for Sally Hemings, his own emancipation. Jefferson's daughter, Martha Patsy Randolph informally free.

The elder Hemings is after Jefferson's death by giving her her time as well as accustomed as the historian Edmund S Morgan has noted Hemmings herself was with hail from oxygen and freed at last by Jefferson's daughter, Martha Jefferson Randolph, who was of course her niece free by your own niece. This informal freedom allowed him.

To live in Virginia [00:26:00] with her two youngest sons in nearby Charlottesville for the next nine years until her death in the Albemarle county, 1833 senses. All three are recorded as free persons of color him. He's lived to see a grandchild born in a house that her sons owned and all though, Jefferson inherited great wealth at a young age.

He was bankrupt by the time he died, his entire state, including most lays was sold by his daughter, Martha, to be pay his debt. All right. So here's probably the longest part of this, but to be part of the last parts of that, I will leave this in the show notes. So you can go through, there's some things on his children's lives and grandchildren, other descendants.

And then right at the very end of this one, I'll talk to you a little bit about what went on with the DNA test and what's going on now and what the outcome of Monticello has become. Because if anybody fought this the hardest, it [00:27:00] was definitely Monticello. So what they refer to as the Jefferson Hemings controversy, but Jefferson, the Jefferson Hemi's codes.

Diversity is the question of whether Jefferson and pregnant is Sally Hemings and father her six children of record the controversy dates from the 1790s Jefferson sexual issue with him. And he's was first reported in 1802. By one of Jefferson's enemies, a political journalist named James T calender.

After he noticed several light slaves at Monticello, Jefferson himself is never recorded to have publicly denied this allegation just like today, get that political stronghold, his enemy JMC counters like, Hey man, there's too many of these life slaves coming out someday right over there. Jefferson.

Jefferson confronted, never denied it and [00:28:00] understand, especially back then slaves was dark. Even if they were not born that dark, they was dark because what did they do? They worked in the sun all day. So they were weathered. None of these kids was Sally wasn't, you know, she had beautiful skin and complexion.

And so calendars like, Hey someday, right? Let's go look into this, but Jefferson never denied it. However, Several members of his family did, but in 1850s, Jefferson's eldest grandson. Thomas Jefferson Randolph said that Peter Carr and nephew Jeffersons had fathered hemming his children rather than Jefferson himself.

This information was published and became the common wisdom. Most major historians of Jefferson denied Jefferson's paternity of the Hemings children for the next 150 years. Okay. So the biggest part of this is going to be the Jefferson Hemi's controversy. Now it's very long. So I want to leave this down a source for you to read, but let me kind of go through [00:29:00] what it basically is.

So Monticello for years, over 200 now has denied that this was the. So, what it ends up being is they end up going through this whole history of if, could it have really been Thomas Jefferson now, for whatever reason, everybody didn't want to come up and say, yeah, Thomas Jefferson was the dad, but they wanted to pass it off to several other Jefferson men.

Right. So they said, no, maybe this Jefferson guy, you know, was the dad or maybe this Randolph over here. So to make it kind of looked like that, or because that's what we think will give several the children, the Randolph last name. But they didn't want to come to the point of saying no. Thomas Jefferson is the kid or is the father of these children.

So what happened was all these DNA tests starts being done. And once the DNA test starts getting done, this starts to travel to other people that are descendant. Of Thomas Jefferson and they could prove that [00:30:00] they were descends of Thomas Jefferson by blood. The DNA test guys is an indisputable and no matter what anybody's looking at it is undisputable the proof behind that, just beyond what the DNA test said, the DNA tests pretty much concluded.

And it did conclude that Thomas Jefferson was the father of Sally Hemings, his children. So way back in November the 12th, Of 1998 Oprah Winfrey when she was still in the air did a special, and it was called Thomas Jefferson's, black and white relatives meet each other. I have never seen such a support of white people to bring somebody black and today family, as I did on this special, they were upset because if you guys don't know this, being that Thomas Jefferson old Monticello, Thomas Jefferson is buried there.

Any descended or relative of Thomas Jefferson has the [00:31:00] right to be buried on Monticello. One of the black Thomas Jefferson's relatives, partitioned to be buried at Monticello and Monticello said no. And for years they hid behind the. 'cause they were saying that there was no real proof at all that Sally Hemings, his kids was really Thomas Jefferson's kids and they went back through this whole entire thing again.

So these relatives got behind Sally Hemings says children that are still alive. You see a lot of them on this, on the special one of the guys that's there says I am the great, great, great grandson of Thomas Jefferson. You got to see it. I'm a post-it. They were bending impounding and have been on Monticello to accept the fact that they have black relatives, even some of the white ones that you see there were saying that their children has always gotten teased [00:32:00] because they have coarse curly hair, but we as black people call.

Now. Yes, it is true that there's a lot of black people that have naturally nice curly hair and it makes kids too. I have a son that has the nicest springy curls up in his hair, but I have children that has a weakness to be naps. And that's what this kid has. He has that mixture of the black hair and her white hair and his course in this kinky and the white, the pure white people that they friends with.

Don't under. Well, that's why that, that is so as we're having up to that is they finally give in and say, yep. You know what? Uh, I think that is true. Thomas Jefferson is the dad again, I got big flag about statue of Liberty, and I give a bunch of proof on it. Here we go, 20 years later, we got blood now and people still wants to deny it.

Monticello finally says, okay, man, we can't dispute it no more. [00:33:00] So on June 16th, 2018, all of the descendants that has left and breathing of Sally Hemings and Thomas Jefferson, they all read, you know, And they help unveil the newly discovered living quarters of Sally Hemings and her children. And it was the world's most beautiful site.

I believe this article down here, as you can see it because there's a big old picture of Sally Hemings and all or not selling Hemi's, but of selling Hemings and his children and all of the Jeffersons. So you've got this mixture of all black and white people hanging out together, all related to Thomas.

So, this is what I tell you guys about history and black history, history, black history. It can be very painful, especially to people who are not black people who are white, because they have to own up to what's going on. And for many, many years, this whole thing. Slaves being raped or being misused or having sexual [00:34:00] affairs with their masters has been wildly denied.

It doesn't happen. As I read to you earlier, they said, Hey, we got to keep this discreet. So they would deny that. Now the one part that people is having problems with, and I'll give you this in closing, and you can take this any direction. It is discussed on the documentary that I was watching. My Sally Hemings is also discussed a little bit on the Oprah Winfrey show that I'll post down below for you to see is was Thomas Jefferson and Sally Hemings really in love.

Now, the reason that comes up is because there are some people that says that Thomas Jefferson really loves Sally and is really in love with her. And that Sally really loved him back. And other people say, well, it's really sickening to be in love with Joe man. I don't know which way that goes. I don't know if Sally, he was in love with Thomas Jefferson or Thomas.

Doesn't love with her, but I'm going to tell you this by everything I know about black history, and by the way that they were treated as [00:35:00] slaves, he was feeling something. And it was more than just the fact that they had a sexual relationship, because over the course of history of slavery, there was many masters that has sex with their, with their slaves.

And it was of a rape situation. And many of them, as sad as it is, if those that slave got pregnant, you never hired her to solve the kid because the kid was done away with however means they did that, but the kid never made. So you don't have a lot of slave owners going around. Yeah. You know, I got this lady and she cute and we got all these kids together.

It was unheard of. But Thomas Jefferson didn't hide that he gave Sally Hemings opportunities that no other slave had. When they came back, she still pretty much lived as a free person. She was under slavery rules, but her and her kids were still living as a free people. If you asked me they got free, one of the house, all of her jobs.

Nice jobs really [00:36:00] compared to all the rest of the slaves. So depending how you feel about it either he did either. He didn't either. She did either. She didn't, some people say that they think that she really grew fond of Jefferson and that she really did love Jefferson. And I can see that being a situation, being that Sally, Hemi's never married outside of that.

And all of her kids came from Thomas Jefferson. You know, it's something to be argued. I can see that. So guys, couldn't let February go without, I'm bringing this one to you guys. If you guys have not heard this one before, this is why it's important that we get this out to let you guys know that what you see now is just not the beginning of interracial people.

And some people think that it is some people are taught to think that interracial couples just started happening 20 years ago. No, man, it started all the way back at 17. In this case right here, pop realizes that to the hill. [00:37:00] Again, like I shared with you guys, I don't think anybody is pure and all the, all the people that I know that are racist that are black.

Y'all, ain't poor either. I told you I did my DNA. I don't know the percentage. I'm not looking at it, but I have a certain percentage point in my DNA that I am European. So, no matter how small or how big that is, black people, slaves and come from Europe. Okay. So that's, that's telling you something right?

But all in all that is the case. Guys, you have a very beautiful family and I'll try to get this picture down here. I will post this article as you can see this picture, that family is very beautiful. They have stuck behind Sally Hemings and the rest of all the Hemings children all this time. And they re they reunite every year or so.

So that they can just hang out and they can just talk and stuff like that. So I think this goes to show you that from [00:38:00] people that started back in the 17 hundreds, if they can come together now, And this was way back at, you know, 1998. And they're still dealing with each other in 2021. And they're telling everybody, this is my family.

This is my cousin. This is my aunt. And their skin tones is different than why get the rest of us in this world come together and do the exact same thing.

 So there you have it about miss Sally himi. She is definitely one of the most famous African American women that nobody really knew about. But now you do, if you knew about Sally Hemings before this, then maybe you got a little bit more knowledge of underneath your belt. 

All right, guys that does with this. And I thank you for tuning in to yet another black history fact here. Join me tomorrow, I [00:39:00] have another one for you. 

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