S5:03:116: The disappearance of Oakley Carlson_

 A young girl was removed from her home by DCFS. In place in the foster care. A little while later foster care decides to give this child back. A little while off to that. This child disappears without a trace. What happens in, who is responsible when a child has given back to parents and then they vantage or unfortunately killed. 

What becomes of the child. What becomes of that parent? Is the child ever found. Join us. As we examine the case. Of Oakley Carlson. On this episode. I have a day with crime. [00:01:00] What's going on everybody and welcome to another A day with crime, we are your hosts. 

Geneva 

You are listening to season five, episode three, total case number 116 Geneva. How are you doing today?

Other than cold. I'm doing great. Dad. How are you? 

I am doing outstanding. Everything is going well. I hope that everybody else is doing good. It's good to see ya. We was missing last week. If you guys listen to last Monday's episode, it was on what we call the fall of EDP four, four, five. I did tell you guys that was a never released episode. Cause there were some horrible storms taking place in Indiana where Geneva is, which was knocking out power, internet, and all that good stuff.

So we could not shoot last week. [00:02:00] But we are back this week and hope you guys have been listening to the black history facts that I have been posting every week and learning something from those. All right, guys, so today we're going to do a little heartbreaker of a case for you. We're going to do the disappearance of Oakley Carlson, Geneva.

Are you ready to go.

As ready as I'll ever be. 

it's all yours

 There's not a ton of background information on Oakley Carlson, like really at all. so we are gonna just start abruptly. so this article that I'm using is a timeline of events.

So that timeline starts August of 2017. 2017 Oakley, it was sent to live with foster parents, Eric and Jamie Joe Hiles. Oakley's foster mother [00:03:00] says that there were quote multiple red flags while the five-year-old was in their care. In October, 2019, Jamie Joe Hiles said the state contacted her and her husband.

that Oakland was going to be placed back into her parents' care. November, 2019. Oakley was your turn to her biological parents, Andrew Carlson and Jordan Bowers, December 25th, 2020. So Christmas day, Oakley went to her grandparents house for Christmas, with her family during the investigation around her disappearance.

 Oakley's grandmother told police that Oakley did not look well. According to the court documents, Oakley's grandmother also told police that Oakley had dark circles under her eyes, pale skin scratches or sores on her face. Oakley's grandmother called CPS or child protective services after seeing Oakley, but never heard anything about it after that time.

Court documents say that Oakley's [00:04:00] grandmother contacted CPS regarding Oakley,regarding Oakley made great wages in the family. So it caused an uproar that the grandmother called CPS to begin with Oakley's parents have not spoken to, or seen that set of grandparents since then. February 10th, 2021 Oakley was last seen alive by someone who is associated with the family.

Investigators previously believed Oakley was last seen alive January 27th. Most sources say that she had been missing January 27th and then someone came forward and said that they had seen her on February 10th. That seems like a long stretch of time to me 

Yeah.

On November 6th, 2021, Andrew Carlson, which is Oakley's father called dispatch just before 5:00 PM to report a fire at the family home,

earlier in the day. He told dispatchers his daughter used a cigarette lighter and caught the [00:05:00] couch on fire and said, he put the fire out himself. He said a response wasn't needed, but wanted to report the fire. 'cause that's not suspicious at all. Like we had a fire, but don't come. It's fine. I put it out myself.

I just wanted to tell you that we had a fire, 

Like, why are you going to even call the fire department in the first place? Knowing that first thing they have to do is they have to respond to the fire.

Jordan Bowers, the mother had also told other people that Oakley had started the fire and that she and her husband quote, fought the fire for about four hours. This is according to court documents. So they fought the fire for four hours and then called the fire department. I was like, nevermind, we put it out, but just wanted to report it.

That's not suspicious. Fire investigators later confirmed that there was a fire at the home, but said they believe the fire started from the microwave on the kitchen counter, [00:06:00] not a cigarette lighter the couch. 10th, 2021 Oakville elementary school principal, Jessica swift went to Oakley's home to bring the family supplies after the fire and stay at the house for about 45 minutes. When principal Jessica swift asked about Oakley, her parents told her that Oakley was in her room. November 24th, 2021

the principal went back to Oakley's home to drop off more supplies. She told police, she saw the other three children, but not Oakley and left. After about five minutes, December 4th, 2021, Oakley six year old sibling to the principal's home for a play date and sleep over. When asked about Oakley, the sibling got upset and said, quote, Oakley is no more. When asked about Oakley again, the sibling said Oakley went to live with her foster parents that she had lived with before. However, deputies later [00:07:00] confirmed that Oakley was no longer in foster care. 

sounds like a, honest admission, but then the child was trying to cover it up at the same time.

if a child comes to you is says that another child is no more, that is out of a horror movie. Okay. 

me out to do a little bit more invested. I of be like, what do you mean by no more? What does that mean?

That's how, if a child or anybody says to me, I'm going to

ask that. 

it seems that's what happened. Was it, they, it was prodded again,what happened to her type thing? And that was when they got the answer. She went back to the foster parents, which to me seems like you said, like a cover up, like I just told you that she's no more, which means she's probably like deceased, right?

But now that.

you're asking me how she's no more. Oh, she went to the foster parents because that's what my parents told me. 

And I totally do [00:08:00] understand, cause I know I can hear people saying, the child was six. I totally get that. The child was six, but some of these six year olds are a lot more intelligent than you believe. And to come back that quick. no, someone to live with a foster parents, children not young does understand the difference between right and wrong, or they feel like by what they just say and may get their parent in trouble.

They were recant very quickly. And I think that's what ends up happening.

All right. So December 5th, 2021, Ms. Jessica swift. So still the principal asked Oakley siblings of Oakley lived with them and was told no, the sibling then told Jessica that Oakley was living with her former foster parents. So this is day. So guessing that this child was still at said, sleep over at the principal's house. 

That's what I'm guessing.

 Jessica then contacted grays Harbor county Sheriff's office saying she was concerned for Oakley safety and requested a welfare check on [00:09:00] December 6th, 2021. The Tumwater police department conducted a welfare check the hotel that Oakley's family was staying at after the fire responding officers said Oakley was not at the hotel. Andrew told officers at Oakland was with his parents, but said he didn't know his father's phone number could not remember the address of his father's home. I'll admit, I don't know your address or your phone number. I haven't saved. But if I drop Ari off with you. I will make sure that I have that written down somewhere in case I can't access my phone. even now, like you don't have Ari right now, but you had, now I have important phone numbers and addresses written down in like an old school notebook. 

Because then if for some reason I don't have my phone, I can still call people or send you a letter. What you mean, sir? No.

 I don't believe that.[00:10:00] Do you believe that he 

no 

number and he didn't know the address?

to be fair, we do live in the age of putting in a phone and dial it up. But I'm like you, even if I don't know it's in my phone, I have important numbers written down somewhere. Especially if it deals with my kid, I got to know where you are, how to get there with the directions is I go, as far as I'm talking about one of the kids, I got that stuff stored in my maps.

So I know exactly what I'm. So now I do not buy that. He did not know his father's phone number and or address, which I'm sure the cops would have him. Like he was half crazy too.

Ridiculous are these people we look at more and more guilty. Anyway, officers did reach out to Andrew's father, who said he had not seen Oakley since December, 2020. So my guess is are the grandparents that they went to the Christmas at. 

That's what I gathered.

officer's reported that Andrew did not seem [00:11:00] surprised that Oakley was not with his parents.

 Officers spoke with Jordan Bowers she became uncooperative and refuse to answer further questions, back into the hotel room.

After officers left the hotel, Andrew called dispatch to report Oakley missing. Officers went to the family's home after they left the hotel. And after arriving at

the family home law enforcement drafted a search warrant for the residence that was approved during a source of the family's home toys and clothing were located for all of the children except Oakley blood was found on the blinds and the front door, as well as a hand print on the wall in the downstairs hallway.

When the parents were questioned. Another time by law enforcement Jordan became uncooperative and was arrested for obstructing an investigation during questioning. Andrew had limited information about Oakley's whereabouts and may St. Miss quote to the effect of Oakley being dead or not coming back for a reunion [00:12:00] according to court documents. 

 So we are, Chris was 2.0, it's just a mama's in on it to despicable. Andrew and Jordan were both arrested on charges of Obstruction law enforcement and first degree manslaughter.

On December 7th, 2021, officials continued the search the family property, the grays Harbor county Sheriff's office, posted on Facebook, for the public's help, locating Oakley. December 8th, 2021, grays Harbor Sheriff's office detectives, Washington, state patrol troopers, and the FBI were seen searching the areas surrounding the family's property, covers around 300 acres video taken by the source that I'm reading from shows crime scene tape.

At the end of the home's driveway, intense set up in the yard. also appeared to be doing. [00:13:00] On December 9th, the grays Harbor county Sheriff's office announced that Jordan and Andrew faced charges of abandonment of a dependent person. In the second degree investigators discovered evidence that the parents had not been providing medication prescribed their other daughter for 15 months.

The medication is necessary for the six year olds health and going without it puts her at risk of physical impairment, could eventually result in death, according to investigators. parents are no longer being held on the charge of first degree manslaughter. they S official said that the ground surge of the family home and property was quite extensive and the Sheriff's office also brought in divers and aircraft. 

was just thinking. See, I couldn't have been the cost. I went back out there and be like fool. We was just here all these hours. Now you're going to call in and say that she's missing after we done searched for her everywhere, we don't call your parents or your dad. He ain't there. We looked through all of your stuff.

She ain't here either. Now you're going to say that she's missing. [00:14:00] You already knew that before I came out here.

Exactly. On December 12th, a change.org petition pushing for new laws, protecting foster children, hit 2000 online signatures. The petition calls for a law pass that would create a five point system of support to check in on children who are returning to families after exiting the foster care system mandate long-term drug testing for families who are reunified with their children.

from my other source, it appears that the parents both had, at least some drug history, like each of them did. and that the reason that they lost custody of Oakley or she got put into foster care, didn't technically lose custody. Cause they got her back was because of drug use and neglectful behaviors.

Okay. But there's not a ton of information about what actually happened to put her into foster care. And her foster I'm thinking it has something to do with drugs too, because, this is [00:15:00] her foster parents trying to put this law into effect and then the fact that they included something about drug lead me to believe that the other one is as they have been all over the news. They've been everywhere.

People wants to listen since Oakley has disappeared. one of the articles that I was reading the other day was that they were demanding answers around the disappearance of the kids. So her foster parents is very active in trying to get this.

 All right. So December 13th, detectives are still working on the case, but investigators finished searching the family home and property on December 15th, always grandparents whom officers say help with the investigation, released the following statement. The Carlson family have been and continued to be fully cooperating with this investigation. Our only objective is to find our granddaughter Oakley we're praying that Oakley will be found soon and also for the multitude of good people working around the clock to make that happen.

We asked the media, respect our privacy during this very difficult time, and we do not wish to make any further statement for now. thank you. [00:16:00] So I feel like the grandparents, you know how sometimes in these cases, like we got grandparents that are like on the perpetrator side, I feel like they not so much on the perpetrator side, 

Yeah. And no, the reason why I say no is because of how the statement began. The Carlson family have been in continued to be fully cooperating with investigation. Now, to me, that also includes the son. Cause I would have said we the grandparent. I understand too, as being a parent or something like this heinous happens, which fortunately never happened to me, but you just don't want to automatically assume that your child, It has something to do with the death of, or the, of the disappearance of your own child. But I do agree with you. I think that if they knew something, they would come forward.

The reason that I feel. More strongly that they're not necessarily including him [00:17:00] is because a, they know that he was not cooperating with police and B. This is a set of grandparents that hasn't seen her since Christmas of 2020, because the grandmother made the phone call to CPS. 

 okay. So on December 17th, the Oakley's law petition ends with nearly 7,000 signatures representative Mike Chatman of the 24th legislative district, which is Oakley's district gave the following statement. I met with representative syn missin.

And staff from the Washington state department of children, youth and families, D C Y F today to discuss policy and budget options. We should have a better scope of solutions when we meet in January. On December 30th, and Andrew appeared in court for allegedly not providing medication to Oakley six year old sibling for 15 months, is necessary for the child's health grays Harbor [00:18:00] county superior court.

Judge Catherine found probable cause for one count of abandonment of a dependent person in the second degree against both Jordan Andrew was set at $150,000. Both are expected back in court for their arraignment on January 10th. that's already passed. So we're going to find out, I'm, we'll let y'all know what happened with that. The abandonment charges are unrelated to the investigation, into the disappearance of Oakley. Although chief criminal, deputy Jason Walker, alleged that Jordan and Andrew clearly know what happened to the five-year-old child.

And they're not saying anything before the court hearing demonstrators gathered outside grays Harbor county courthouse, demanding justice for Oakley. On January 10th, 2022. Andrew appeared before a grays Harbor county superior court judge and entered a not guilty plea on abandonment charges related to the other child.

 Jordan was scheduled [00:19:00] to be arraigned that Monday.

I believe. Judge Dave Edwards set a trial date of April 19th, 2022. So we will be doing a follow-up April. And the trial is scheduled to last four days. Edward said Andrew and Jordan's cases have been joined. So both parents will be on trial at the same time. In my opinion, it should be. Grays Harbor county superior court judge Catherine found probable cause for one count of abandonment with dependent person in the second degree against both Jordan and Andrew, the charges, a class C felony punishable by up to five years in prison and a $10,000 fine. Bail was previously set at $150,000. see, I don't like these cases because it always shows my disdain for the department of children and family services. Before I made my statement. If you guys worked for the [00:20:00] partner children, famous services, I'm sorry, but this is just from things that has happened here. Things has happened with me personally.

at least in California, we have one of the worst DCFS agencies that there ever was. If they were to do their due diligence as to why there is a reason why you pulled Oakley away from their parents in the first place. And the big problem that I have with DCFS is more likely than often, they give children back to parents that don't deserve it, or that's going to still be abusing.

However, when you have good parents on the other side, they make them go through part of my friends, hell to get their kids back or to do anything. This again is one such case of that. it's shocking to me that you have the foster parents, who is supposed to be protecting that child. You're supposed to go back to that foster parent and be like, Hey.

what do you think, have you seen them interact so on and so [00:21:00] forth? I don't think they did that. They tried to tell them that, Hey, we don't think she should go back and she ended up going back. 

I agree, but I want to add one more thing. they also are now also facing as of three days ago, two counts of endangered me a controlled substance top of their accounts of abandoned. They were charged with the two counts of endangerment on Monday the seventh, after having already been charged with second degree, abandonment of a dependent person. The endangerment charge after investigators found they were not providing Oakley's six year old sibling with a medication that's there for the child's health for 15 months.

They both have pled not guilty to all charges, both will head to trial on April 19th, is unclear if the new charges are related to the investigation of the disappearance of Oakley, who, as.

we know was last seen February 10th, 2021. 

Well,

I know it's not as gruesome. but it reminds me of Gabriel Fernandez and that was the biggest DCFS mess [00:22:00] up in history. the only reason why they're not saying that they're going to charge him with murder basically is because they don't have a body. I do think they have enough evidence to prove that unfortunately, Oakley is no longer here. they saw the blood and other suspicious things and they did their search.

But again, unless you have other concrete evidence, you can't charge somebody with murder without a body. 

No, the no body cases are hard. Like they would have to have, there would have to be more definitive proof that she was not alive other than just that they found blood in the house. And that they didn't find anything like her belongings in the house, which is sad. Because these people like the parents, my opinion, it could change I guess, I don't see them cooperating and telling anyone where she is, whether she's dead or alive, which while I want to believe that she is still alive. It's not looking like it. [00:23:00] But even if she was alive regardless, I don't think They will tell authorities where she is or where her body is.

I just don't see it happening.

They never will because they're not being charged with the appropriate crime to allow them to do so. What I mean by that is they're getting charged on manslaughter. Manslaughter does not carry the double jeopardy rule. So if they was even get off scot-free, they're never going to tell you where the child is, especially if she's dead, because they can be hauled right back into court and tried for murder.

Now they're getting tried for murder and they beat that. Maybe they may say something because the fact that they can never go to jail 

for. is true, but I still don't think that they would say anything I think it would end up like Casey Anthony to this day. Casey, Anthony will not admit. America is under the, we all have a suspicion that she [00:24:00] murdered Kaylee. But because she got off and got us. We going to be real. She got sent back to Orlando. Okay. She's still in Orlando people, she and hiding. But she there, because she had got let out and was able to do what she wanted and live her life. As long as she wasn't making any profit off of books or movies around case, she hasn't have a reason to admit to anything.

Cause she got away with it. 

yeah, I think the reason is to put her parents, not that they get along, because the way she did them out of misery, she's already the most damned person in the world. So coming out and telling us what we already know, ain't going to change that. But I agree with you. It would probably be the same as,

Andrew and Ms. Bowers here the same way. And that's because they don't want to be painted in a worse light than what they already are. And let's just simply call it what it is. They [00:25:00] don't care because if they cared, then the child would have never been put in this position or a situation in the first place.

Now I know you're a big fan of this, so I'm asking you why I'm going to tell you why I'm really not a huge fan of when they take two people like this and they try them to. So why do you like when they try two criminal like this at the same time?

I don't always like it. Here's the thing in this case. Because from what I could find, it doesn't appear that the two of them are married to each other. Right?that protection that you have, like when you're married to somebody where you don't have to testify against them. The reason that I said, I feel like that's how it should be, where they are being tried at the same time is because I feel like if they were being tried separately, would try to do some shady thing.

get married because legally they could still get married in the jail. 

There is another problem right now.[00:26:00] 

But that's what I'm saying. But I feel like if they knew that they were being tried seperately they would try to do that 

shoot. If I knew I was being tried together, I would try to do that

that's cause you smarter than most people. Me 

becausebecause you already know. And see, this is why I hate when they try two people like this together, who are girlfriend, boyfriend at some point. And if this has happened in this case, I'm going to be really shocked At some point one of their lawyers is going to try to blame and put all the blame on the other person.

And I think at some point it confuses the jury, right? So instead of having to pay attention to a trial, you're actually having to pay attention to two trials happening at one time because each person has their own individual lawyer. That lawyer is going to handle their client differently. Now they may come together and get together with some strategies

but both lawyer's job. And what they're most concerned about is getting their person off. And [00:27:00] if that means we got throw your person under the bus to do so, we going to do that. Do you see anybody trying to flip anybody and make a deal? Do you see anybody going to one of the other saying, Hey, look, man, you look at it this many years.

If you decide to flip and just tell us what the other person did, we can maybe give you some time off. Do you see something like that? Possibly?

Absolutely because these people are not smart. I'm sorry to say it. people are not smart. They think they smart. 

I definitely think that at some point, either one of them is all flipped on the other one or a lawyer is going to try to finagle some stuff. I agree with you. But why? I feel like, if Jordan was smart, Is that I'm not cooperating with the police. She would've liked flipped the on Andrew. That's what I'm saying. They're not smart because she could, they were interviewed separately. And she was just like, I'm not going to cooperate with you.

I'm not gonna talk about nothing. You girl, you could've put it all on Andrew. You could have been, like, he told me to do [00:28:00] this. We see women do that all the time where they're the mastermind, but then they, the husband or the boyfriend. We see that all the time. That's what I'm saying. Like they're not these people, these criminals here are not smart. Now, do I think that they should get away with what they have done? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Do not twist it. I think that Oakley should have been removed from the care of the foster parents when the foster parents were voicing CPS, that it would not be a good idea to do so.

Absolutely. 

I can see this turning into like the Casey Anthony trial. You remember that trial? they was blaming everybody from her mama to her daddy, to the dude next door. And she was on trial by herself. So if you just try to dump on people, that's not even in the trial and you got two people that is. I hope that they put this on court TV.

Yes. People, we don't know this court TV, with Mr Politan Vinnie Politan still exists and they still play full cases. [00:29:00] I'm hoping this is one that they play so that I can see it. But that's why I don't really like when they try them together, because I think it does confuse the juries. I think sometimes the lawyers want it to confuse the jury

Because if you look at those kinds of cases, nine out of the other 10, either the clients, both of them will walk away or they get less time than what they're meant to get, because it's just too much stuff going on at one time.

So let's ask the hard question, the question that we have to ask. Do you feel that Oakley still alive?

Truthfully. while I want to believe that she is something in me says that she's not

the Oakley's no more comment from the six year old sibling, something about that is just so eerie that if Oakley was still alive, feel like her six year old [00:30:00] sibling would not have worded it that way. if the child is truly safe, W even let's say she was with a different foster family.

Let's say they like took her to a neighbor's house and dropped her off. If that, if something like that had happened, I feel that the six year old sibling would not have worded it as Oakley is no more. That sounds like death to me. I feel like the sister saw something, especially because they were saying like, there was a hand print of blood on the wall. There was blood on the door, there was blood on the curtains. I feel like this six year old saw something, even if she can't process it right now, because she's six, Because sometimes. Even as adults, we can't process it. So I think she saw something that made her word it as Oakley is no more. That just does not sound promising to me. 

plus there's too [00:31:00] much. There's too much. Elusiveness right. There is, I don't know what my father's home address and phone number is. And then you wait till the cops come out, figure out ogling where she's supposed to be. Then you call her. As a missing, I have a house fire.

 You don't want the fire department to come out. All of that to me, just adds up to, unfortunately, I don't think that she is still with us, which begs the other question of, since there was other kids, why was Oakley? The only one that was removed in the first place put with foster parents given back.

And now she's the only one that is. Missing and or deceased. What's your thoughts?

So I have a couple of theories on this. I feel like it may have been harder for them to hide whatever neglect or abuse was going on with Oakley because [00:32:00] was younger. Now it appear, but I don't know. It's also possible that Oakley maybe was more outspoken. About what was happening, maybe Oakley was going to school And telling teachers or the principal or whoever this is happening.

 because we run into that a lot with, especially when there are multiple kids in a household where there will be what we'll say, there's three kids out of those three kids. There will be one of those kids that goes and tell somebody was having. Especially if they're like younger or if they're trying to protect the other siblings, whatever it is. Because according to everything that we know this six year old was not getting her medication for 15 months. Which means she wasn't getting medication[00:33:00] at least some of the time the Oakley was not in the home

And I wish they would have said what that was. Cause they seemed to have some more charges. They never, I don't know if this, you found it. They never threw out there what the medication was for, but we know it is something that can greatly impair the six year 

olds. 

the point that she will become incapacitated would not be able to move and it would lead to death. no, I couldn't find, I could not find where it said what kind of medication she was on, but. We could guess, I suppose there are multiple things that the child could have that I guess they could incapacitate her to the point that she would die. cause that makes it sound like when she's, if she becomes incapacitated that then she, she can't eat on her own is what that sounds like. Which means that things on the inside of her are not working either. And you haven't been [00:34:00] giving her medication for over a year. So I'm a little confused by that one, but sure. But all we know the six year old, up until the point that she said that Oakley is no more, maybe she just didn't speak up about it. she was too scared to talk about.

And that could be, we can't blame the child is six years old, but it's just just that statement alone to me seal did that. She ain't here. And I know there's only so much probably you can do with the kid, but like I said, my backup question, would've been, what do you mean by she's no longer here or she's no more just to see what you could get, but I bet money if they took that child and put that child in therapy and once she felt really comfortable her therapist, I wouldn't be surprised what came out.

All right. Geneve Neve what's your final thoughts on Oakley?

My final thoughts are, I hope that they do [00:35:00] find Oakley.

I don't think that they will find her alive, but I hope that they do find her so that charges can be distributed. Also. I hope that do not give the six year old back.

And if there's any other kids, don't give them back either. Okay. that six year old needs her medication and God knows. you give her back, then she's not going to get it. So those are my final thoughts. What are your final thoughts there? 

 I do hope that we are wrong and hope that Oakley is still out there somewhere alive and well, unfortunately, all of the stuff that we read research dug into. What the parents are saying, what the child said. Doesn't lead us to believe that she is. DCFS in everybody's state should be looked at. And if there's something going on with DCFS in your state, you should not be hesitant to say something about it.

DCFS fails a lot of family and children [00:36:00] every year. There is cases now, out there that parents are trying to figure out what to do. There is a podcast out there called do no harm. And if you listen to that podcast, that whole podcast is about, and it wasn't just somebody who was black. It was a black person and it was a white person that went through the same thing.

I say that because a lot of people want to do up and say, oh, this happens more than black people than anybody. That's why I told you, it's a black person in a white person. This happened to, and the dude who runs the podcast just happened to find. The African-American people after the case with the white people that had, I do plan on doing something on that.

Pretty soon, I listened to like podcasts a year ago, and it's something that's important to put out there, but you got to make sure they're doing their job. Don't give kids back when you already know another kid's in trouble or that they're still doing what they're not supposed to do. I do feel for the foster parents.[00:37:00] 

They really did love Oakley. And they were really shaking when they came and took Oakland back and they've done everything they could to make sure that this did not happen. So if Oakley is out there, I hope that she gets found very soon. If Oakley is not, then I'll say, may she rest in peace, but we need to find this out because I agree with Geneva.

So then we can put the appropriate charges on the parents. And make no mistake about it. People, even if they get convicted of manslaughter and abandonment, or if they walk away, if they ever find where Oakley is and she is no longer with us, they can and will be charged with murder and back into court. And that's what we would like to see.

All right, guys, that does it for this one. We appreciate you guys tuning in. We hope that. You enjoyed the [00:38:00] episode as much as possible Geneva, do you have any shout out to.

I do, so the podcast I want to shout out is called A dark history. And it's hosted by Bailey, Syrian. She also does murder, mystery and makeup, which you can get through YouTube. You can watch it on YouTube and she does her make up, you can listen to.

it through podcast form.

This is exactly what it sounds like is dark history. It's dark things from US history and World history. Very interesting. I use it as a palate cleanser, to be honest, after having watched and listened to true crime stuff. because it's just historical. there are messed up things she talks about, I do use it as a palate cleanser.

So my shout out you got any shout out's?? 

Actually I'm going to shout out what I was just telling you guys about it's called do no harm. On Wondery I will post you the link down below to give you a little bit more [00:39:00] insight into that. It starts out with the family and a wife named Melissa Bright, who thinks that she's living the parent's worst nightmare because her five month old baby tumbled from a lawn chair and he hits his head on the driveway.

And from that accident sparked why this podcast was done. It is put out there by NBC. when they get involved in something, it really must be something worth checking out. So go out and check out, do no harm. It is a very good podcast and I actually did binge listen. the whole thing I think is like eight, nine episodes long

all right guys. So remember, I am still dropping black history facts every day. As of this recording, you should have had nine by the time this drops, will it be a few more days into that? Check those out. There's some interesting facts that you may [00:40:00] know or may not have ever heard before. Also, if you guys were going over to subscribe on the Supercast for ad free.

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