S5:07:120: Taylor Schabusiness

Season 5 Episode 7: Taylor Schabusiness

[00:00:00] Warning. The following episode deals with triggers such as necrophilia. Dismemberment and decapitation. Due to the subject matter of this case. Parental advisory. Is strictly advised

You meet yourself? A nice girl on Facebook. You begin to date. You take her home and you introduce her to your parents. While you spend time with her. What you don't know. Is in the back of her mind. She is infatuated with serial killers. Something is brewing deep. In her mind. And she wants to kill. 

Does she follow through with the urge? Join us. As we examine the case of Taylor Schabusiness on this episode. Of a day with crime 

[00:01:00] What's going on, everybody. Welcome to another episode of a day with crime. We are your hosts. 

And Geneva. 

are listening to season five, episode seven, total case number 120 Geneva. How you doing?

I'm Doing fine other than everybody's thinking that they need to be sick in this house except me but that's okay. It's fine. Everybody on the mend. But also I needed it to warm up outside. Cause I need some vitamin D I'm starting to look real pale. How are you?

Doing good down here. I'm not looking that pale. I know your black side of you ain't got you looking all extra pale. But I agree, we need some sun. Anyway, [00:02:00] I hate that your whole house is sick, especially my grandbaby. Cause Ari was looking just like a whole ball of not feeling too good, but I'm glad that everybody is back on the mend.

All right guys. So as you heard, we now have hit another milestone that we set for ourselves. We have to hit 120 cases as of this. We couldn't have done it without all you guys. Thank you, Geneva. How are you feeling that we hit that 120 case Mart. Does it feel like we've done that many cases?

Yes. And no, sometimes I'll look at it and I'm like, wow, that's a lot of cases. But then I remember that we did 12 episodes of the staircase. So have you guys actually looked at our profile on speaker, we'll say 149 cases that we've done in two years, the 149 also represents all of the black history facts that I did put here this year, which I did that because I felt like it was needed to be where our [00:03:00] biggest audience was. And we're going to do that continuously every February now.

So you guys have access to those. All right before we begin, today's case a few programming notes that we want to give you guys make you aware of. The first one is we have now started our very own a day with crime discord. It is called ADWC nation discord. We're going to drop that link in the show notes.

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Okay. Today's case you heard it at the top of the show. I'll say it again here. This is strictly parental advisory. If you are a parent or you have someone with you that is under the age of 18, we are going to highly suggest you do not listen to this case. This case also has triggers that deals with drug use.

It deals with sex after someone is dead. So sex with a corpse. It deals with Mutilation if this is not something you can deal with, we certainly understand, please don't listen to this episode. catch us on the next one. We will totally understand your mental health and whatever you've been through in your life is more important than this [00:07:00] episode, but it is an episode that we feel like we need to cover because of what it is.

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So that's how we give you these warnings ahead of time and during the show. So with that being said, today's case is on the murderous Taylor Schabusiness, and yes, that is her real last name this is Geneva's case. Geneva, are you ready to talk about Taylor Schabusiness today?

As ready as I will ever be

 I have to give you that sentiment with that one this week.

I don't want to even tell you to grab a drink and grab a snack. Cause I don't know that you're really going to want to consume anything after hearing the details of this case, but I will say [00:08:00] buckle it and wear some headphones, please.

Okay. No kids on this one, like doing the research for this. I had to watch some videos and I had to wear headphones to watch the video. All right. So unfortunately we do not have a Wikipedia page for this case. This is a newer case. It literally has just happened. Within this year 2022, so I do not have a Wikipedia.

So we are using the daily mail article, which we will link below. It's titled as an exclusive she's a monster. And then it goes into what this is. So Taylor Schabusiness is a 24 year old married mother of one. And has been accused of strangling her boyfriend to death. Our victim's name is Shad Rock Theorion I'm [00:09:00] just going to call him Shad, because that seems to be what everyone in his life calls him and it's easier. So Taylor is our murderer, and then Shad all right. And I will be posting photos and such in the discussion for this in the discord server

so you guys wanna hop over there, come on over. So 24 year old Taylor Schabusiness has been charged with first degree homicide mutilating, a corpse, and third degree sexual assault after. victim, which is Shad after Shads mother discovered his head severed in a bucket in her basement. Taylor did admit to police that she performed oral sex and also used a sex toy on Shad after he was dead. So that is where the sexual assault charge comes from. [00:10:00] The mutilating a corpse comes from that. She dismembered his body. So that's why there are two actual charges for that and not just one. Shad was also 24 years old and his family of course is upset and horror stricken by what has happened. The day after Shad's gruesome death, his uncle posted on Facebook quote yesterday, we were given some devastating news. Our nephew Shad was taken from us. By what I can only assume is a monster.

His uncle went on to describe Shad as someone who had a good heart and soul and added Shad. I love you so much. I can't even begin to describe what we are feeling. The family does have a go fund me page, the aim for that is helping Shads mother pay for housing, transportation, and funeral costs. Their goal is $20,000.

And so far [00:11:00] they have raised more than 3000. I did look into that to make sure it was like a legit thing. We will throw that in the show notes, if you would like to donate. So Shads mother, Tara, who is 47 years old called police to her home in green bay, shortly after 3:00 AM on Tuesday, February 23rd, 2022.

She had been woken by the storm door slamming and the sound of a vehicle driving away she saw that the basement light was on and went to see if her son was there because she assumed that it was Taylor, that she had heard leaving the house. So she knew that Taylor had been in the house. So she assumed when she heard someone leaving that it was Taylor leaving, according to the criminal complaint Tara went into the basement and did not see anyone.

So she started to walk back up the stairs and that was when she noticed a bucket next to the base of the stairs. She stated she removed a blanket [00:12:00] that was over the bucket and discovered the head of her son. Tara told police that Taylor had picked Shad up around 9:30 PM on February 21st, which was when she last saw him alive.

Tara and her boyfriend were out for much of the following day. And she did not hear her son or Taylor return, but she believed they had spent the day in the basement. as she did hear Taylor talking once they got home from whatever they were doing during the day arriving on the scene. Green bay police officer, Alex Wanish reported how he had observed the plastic bucket on the floor with a shower slash beach towel over the bucket. The officer lifted the towel and observed a human head inside of the bucket. He also noted what appeared to be dried blood on a nearby mattress. It didn't take long for police to catch up to Taylor and they found her with blood still on her sweatshirt and sweatpants scratches on her arms, a cut on her left [00:13:00] thumb and what appeared to be blood on her hands. Taylor Schabusiness has a husband, Warren Schabusiness. I don't know who came up with this last name, but that is her married last name, but from what I could find, she started using that last name. She changed it when she got married, but she started exclusively using it.

 When she started trying to build a social media presence. She does have a young son. But she did admit to police that she knew Shad the pair are also Facebook friends, which they were able to look at.

Her husband, Warren is in prison or jail. If you look at this article and you can find it through Google as well, there is a photo of the two of them. It looks to be highly doctored with a filter or something. It's definitely been edited and it says loyalty over love. But it does appear to me [00:14:00] either. It is a picture that was taken right before, like before he went to jail or it is a jail photo looking at it. He does have a Nike shirt on, so I would assume that it's before he went to jail, Taylor claim that. She and Chad had been doing drugs including smoking methamphetamine earlier in the day.

She said she had also shot herself and Shad up with Trazadone. Which if you don't know what traffic, it is a powerful sedative, it makes you tired. I also believe it is used for pain. But some people use it recreationally. Police recovered, evidence of drug taking, including a glass pipe and bag containing white colored powder from the scene.

When told by detectives that police had found Chad's head in a bucket. Taylor responded that is pretty F up when asked what had happened in the basement. She replied. That is a good question. And initially she claimed she blacked out. [00:15:00] She went on to tell police that she and Shad had been going to have sex and that he had produced two metal chains, one for him.

And one for her, she said he put his chain around his own neck as strangulation was something they had used during intercourse before. 

 According to the complaint, Taylor, then suddenly blurted out. Damn the head. I can't believe I left the head though. Before telling officers they were quote, going to have fun, trying to find all the organs as she had dismembered the body. 

 I have a hard time. I know there's different stages of being out of it and passing out all that kind of stuff. But usually typically when somebody passes out to the degree that Taylor Schabusiness, swear she had. You don't seem to remember all this stuff, but in an instance, she tried to play it off two different ways.

And the cops they found his head in the bucket. She was like, oh man, that's really messed up. But then down the line, she's I can't believe I forgot the head and have fun finding all his body parts because [00:16:00] good luck to me somebody that's completely passed out like that really ain't going to be called something that's that deep in detail.

They may recall the years they woke up with blood on them and maybe they did something that they should have done. But to be like, have fun finding the body parts.

 I don't think she actually believes that she blacked out. I think she knows in the costume, she didn't black out. I think that's what she tried to use it to begin with. And then they were like, nah, bro, but did you black out? And then she came out with what actually happened.

I don't think for a second that anyone actually believes that. 

not that I'm taking up for serial killers. Cause we don't do that over here, but she was trying to liken herself a little bit to Jeffrey Dahmer. Matter of fact, she had an obsession with him, but there is a number of things between Jeffrey Dahmer and Taylor Schabusiness. There's a whole lot different, like Jeffrey Dahmer.

I've never said good luck finding body pieces. He was just that whether he was at the whole thing, he would never shoot himself up with it, but he would shoot up his victim. Cause it's kinda like, why would you shoot yourself up with something that's gonna make you go to sleep? If you're supposed to [00:17:00] be the one that's trying to take that person.

Because if she is a frequent user of something like that, it's not going to make her go to sleep. 

That's true, 

if it is true though, that Shad produce chain. From doing a lot of study that I've known previously, but then restudying some things about that type of community for this case. Yeah. Some people enjoy that and some people it's now went beyond right hands and they want something that's more harsh or that puts a little bit more tug to it.

But of course in these communities safety is also practiced, right? So I don't want people to get them. The notion that there's a group of people out there just choking people. They're consenting adults. They could do what they wish. But on top of that, they have safe words and the whole nine yards, why he produced those then?

I don't know 

 And we're about to get into what kind of chains they were using here in a second. And they changed that they were using. I don't know.

why, even in that lifestyle you would use 

I said, though, [00:18:00] each his own, some people might like those types of chains.

All right. So Taylor told him that most of the body parts were in the basement, but that there should be a foot or a leg in her minivan. We don't know which one, even there's a big difference between a foot and a leg, but it's fine with a parent. Calm. Taylor told detectives that after Shad put the chain around his neck

which she compared to a jog choke color. She just went crazy strangling him. So this is a chain that the harder you pull, the tighter is going to get. There's not going to be a lot of give and the reason I'm not sure why he would have produced this implement to be choked with while there are people that want to use implements, scarves, whatever you, wouldn't not usually use something like a dog choke color, because even if you have a safe word, you're not going to [00:19:00] be able to say. 

There are people that also have like safe gestures, like a tap on the leg, a pat to the shoulder, something like that. For times where you wouldn't be able to actually verbally produce a safe word, but a dog choke color seems extreme to me. 

Just choking anybody anybody. It seems extreme to me, no matter what manner it is, 

I'm just saying don't 

Yagen yamas. I'm just saying 

even people in that 

community has expressed that is 

extreme. I've read several columns. They admit that it's very extreme. It's like a drug, right? If you took marijuana and that would hit you no more and you went up to. It could be the same way in those communities. Okay. The hands didn't work, their proper chains didn't work. This didn't work well. I trust this person cause I've been with them so long.

Let's try this method. Now that might not be something that you and I would do, but that could be the person's next step.

Listen, there are people that I love to listen to this podcast. Romantically. I'm gonna just say it. I don't trust [00:20:00] nobody to 

choke me with a dog choke color 

 oh, this was about to choke me with a hand. So we ain't getting choked up in here. I just, been married to my wife for 20 years and she came and said, Hey, let me choke him. Like, you know, What we going to pass on that?

 Taylor said that?

she could feel his heart beating. So she kept pulling and choking him harder claiming that he would not die. As he just kept rebuilding into muscle. So the rebuilding into muscle statement is something that she said.

So basically she described him as hulking out. So she would think that he was going to pass out and she would be able to kill him. And then he would do the hulk thing right. Where he would come back awake. And like muscle out. So like his neck would go back to being strong and things like that.

So that's what she's talking about there. Taylor told how she sat on top of him, choking him while he laid face down on the bed and how she watched as he coughed up blood and quote, [00:21:00] waited for him to die. So I'm sorry. She had all the time to be like, oh my gosh, I'm hurting him. You know what I'm saying?

Like I'm causing him actual internal pain, but she did nothing. So at some point Taylor admitted, she knew that he was dead as his face was purple and blood was coming from his mouth still. She told detectives that she was already this far, so she did not stop. There is an entire affidavit the complaint, all of her charges.

It is, I will try to pull the photos and post those in discord as well. But there are pages upon pages. I'm not going to read them. There's nine pages of this in the article, if you want to look through it yourself, otherwise, like I said, I will try to see if I can pull the photos from this in good enough quality to post them in the discord and as sinister aside, the criminal [00:22:00] complaint records show in a lower tone of voice Taylor recalled. Yeah. I liked it when referring to choking Shad as what she did, when she realized he was dead. Taylor stated that she had quote, played her word with his body. The complaint reads. Schabusinessstated she sucked the victim's penis, that she had a dildo that she put in the victim's mouth. And then in the victims, rectum. This is like worse than the Lorraine Bobbitt episode. Taylor said. That Shad had fought back as she strangled him and went on to tell the detectives that she had the cavitated and dismembered him with knives taken from his mother's kitchen.

She told them they would find the knife. She had used in the same black bags. She had put the body parts into. Ultimately Taylor said she had favored a bread knife because the cerated edge made it more effective for dismembering. His body Shads penis was found in the same bucket.[00:23:00] 

His head was while other body parts were found in a variety of bags in the basement, including plastic shopping bags, his upper torso was found in a storage tote, along with a carving knife in several internal organs, his legs and other body parts were found in a Crock-Pot box on top of a laundry basket of clothes in the rear passenger seat of her minivan. 

Taylor told detectives that she had. To take all the body parts with her when she left in her minivan. But she had a quote got lazy and was ill prepared because the murder was random and not planned as if she thought that what she had done was the right thing to do. Taylor commented that she quote did it anyway. So as of right now, she is in custody. She had a bond hearing in brown county. And they sent her bail at $2 million. She is up here very soon for a what is that? Call that where they make sure that you're like 

She doesn't have a mental health 

competency evaluation. 

That's what I was like [00:24:00] a competency hearing very shortly. The this case right now is ongoing. Like with any other case like this, that would be ongoing as we get more details, we will update y'all because that's what we do on this podcast. We make sure that y'all have all the updates when we have all the updates. I think this. is one of the worst that we've done to date. 

Well, 

Little, that was a terrible. 

well, let me say this. So we mentioned in the beginning that she was kind of idolizing Jeffrey Dahmer. with the whole choking thing. i think that basically he, she said he kept coming back. Well, If you know anything about Jeffrey Dahmer, he took pleasure in strangling his victims.

And then when they were near death, let them go to revive them. And then we do it again. I think that's possibly what she was doing. She was letting up on the chain a little bit for him to come back a little bit where she said he hulking up then she would re choke choked him until finally, I guess she got [00:25:00] tired and finished off the job.

This girl is totally, truly insane. I know we all thought about Jeffrey Dahmer too, even though Jeffrey Dahmer kind of told you though, he goes, I'm not crazy. He knew exactly what he was doing. They too took him on the evaluation and figured out that he was not crazy. I don't know about this girl a number of things that I've got to read this week.

She has ex roommates that had stated that they that they thought that Taylor had mental health issues, um, and that she should be getting looked at. And nobody really took that seriously. Another one I read said that they felt like that she was capable of doing something like this because of the lifestyle of which that she lived.

Now. I don't know if that's because of, she showed for lack of a better term, crazy way. Or just from the things she was in, but from the, the answers you've given to the police, like, do you think this was wrong? Well, I did it anyway. It's like she was just setting out maybe to do that first murder to see what it felt like.

I do believe it was not planned. If it was, [00:26:00] is the most messiest planned murder and all the history ever. 'cause most people that go go kill you today, they've got everything laid out, lined up, you know, make sure if I'm a dismember, you, I got everything I need to collect so that the police She left a whole trail of evidence. Uh, Even to the point of saying, Hey man, a leg or a foot, not like you wouldn't know which one, but it might be in, it's probably in my van with everything else. What's your thought on that? Do you she probably has some mental health issues? I kind of think you'd have to do some like. or is he just really wanted to kill somebody cause he was out alive. Idolizing.

So I think it's like this, I feel like mental health is never an excuse to do heinous things. Okay. So I just want to put that. I have mental health stuff mental illness. I'm sorry. I, my conscience is too absolutely not. I could not do anything terrible like that.

I just, I couldn't, I would turn myself in, like I would do it [00:27:00] and call the cops on myself. That's what it would be. I feel like she has to have some semblance of. Mental health in order to have carried out what she did, especially since she's saying that it wasn't playing now. I believe that it wasn't planning. I believe that it was something that it was like a crime of opportunity type thing. He brought the chains out or whoever brought the chains out and she was like, oh, this is perfect.

Let's do it now. You know what I mean? I believe her when she says it wasn't planned. But I also believe the people that say she could have done it. It's something she could have done. But I also have to believe that people that say we believe that she has mental health issues that she's never gotten help with.

I honestly think it's just a combination of both. I don't think it's one or the other, because if you look at pictures of her, especially like her mugshot picture again, I will post it in the discord. She looks either. When we look at someone, a killer or whatever, when we look at [00:28:00] someone it's in the eyes, right?

Like when we watch these crime shows and stuff, it's in the eyes that you see it because their face can be smiling and happy and whatever. But when you look in the eyes and the eyes looked at, that's where we're at with Taylor, Schabusiness, like her eyes are dead. She looks evil in that. So I think it's good that they're giving her this hearing to find out if she is able to go to trial or if they need to get her mental health or whatever.

 Do I think that sending her somewhere to help her mental health should make it so that she doesn't know. serve like a sentence that she deserves. Absolutely not because I'm not really wanting to advocate for mental health being a reason to 

do heinous things. 

Now for me first for, I get my thoughts on that. Something's wrong with her because if anybody knows anything about ever being the court, you do not really want a public defender.. No offense, if any public defenders is listening, but everybody [00:29:00] knows the truth. they get these case loads They don't get paid very well.

And you know, they're, they're way overloaded. They may have a hundred cases to do on top of yours. So went for a hearing in March 17th to ask for the evaluation of her mental health, an attorney named Heather Richmond volunteered to take her case pro bono. And she was a private attorney, but she said, no, I'm just going to go here and stick with Quinn Jolley

who was her public defender and that's who actually is representing her. I stand a little bit different side of the mental health picture. As far as this, somebody be put away for a crime that they did, if they were considered to be mentally ill. I side, definitely with that. Here's the reason why over the course of history and in my personal life

I have seen reasons by people has done things or they had no choice or they just cracked at that time. If you look at my mom's personal case, she was beat up so bad that a doctor once told her. And the cop said the same thing that she would have flipped out and [00:30:00] killed my dad. He delved anybody, whatever convicted her, same thing happened in the movie was Sarah Faucett Majors by the name of the burning bed.

 Same thing. She was getting abused and she ended up snapping and she kills her husband and she was acquitted. If you also, look at the case of gypsy Rose Blanchard, she's another example. Now she's been in jail for a long time. Everybody's advocating for her to get out because of what her mother did. You can listen to the episode. We have done gypsy Rose Blanchard already, but she just snapped. Do I believe that some people go in and say, they're crazy to get off absolutely.

100%. This is why these evaluations have to be done. I'm not saying like Geneva, that because you have a mental health issue, that that should be a catalyst to get you off. Say that you are, even though if you go kill somebody, but I've lived with people that if they would have killed somebody, I would have been the first one saying you can't put them in jail because the fact they don't know what they're doing.

They had no idea. They're sick. Here's [00:31:00] a long list of that in this case. I'm not really certain of what the problem is, but let me just tell you how it works in the American courts. This is why they have this done. If that evaluation comes back, that she is not able to stay in court due to mental illness.

Her lawyer is going to plead that she is guilty by reason of insanity. At that point in time, Taylor's Schabusiness we'll never see a day in jail. If the judge goes along with that, now she will be put away in a mental institution. Now it's going to these. What the judge puts on her. In some cases, the judges said, you're going to go to this mental health institution for the rest of your natural life and other cases they was, they will consult doctor and say, do you think that you can rehabilitate this person to a point that she never does this again?

If that becomes a yes, answer from the doctor, then maybe she'll be in there one 10 years and then they'll let her out. I don't see her getting out anyway, [00:32:00] but the life that she will live in the mental health Institute. Would be a lot easier than what she would live in the federal prison.

In this case, if they find her not guilty by reason of insanity, I think she'll end up like Andrea Yates andrea Yates got sent to a mental health place, at least at the beginning, 

but I think that she will end up like Andrea Yates.

 Andrea Yates is another touchy case because she killed her children. But if you really dug into that case, really. Even her husband is coming to saying, yeah, I think she believed what was there. So I guess the point of it is everybody stands on the opposite side of that picture. Some people feel like that mental health is used to get people off.

I'm going to tell you Geneva and I has been true crime fans for years. We've done this podcast for almost four years and we will be the first one to tell you thats true.. I've watched cases where the dude is just not nowhere near the word crazy. and the like, Hey man, we, we go and plead insanity.

We, we, we can, we got this this case beat. [00:33:00] And so they know that they can't, they client's guilty is all sin but they use that. But I think in cases like Taylor's Schabusiness you have to kind of look at the facts, look at what she done. Look at the answers that she gives. And then you have to like kind of wonder is this girl really.

'cause most people I know, you know, even Jeffrey Dahmer to a long degree, he tried to hide what it was he was doing when that little Asian boy, it got away and he caught him. So I don't know, he just drunk, you know, we, you know, we lovers he tried to hide what he did, Taylor was not trying to hide anything! 

and she's like, man, I got this body part here, you know? Yeah. You know, It's real messed up, but I would've, I did it whether it's right or wrong. So something's wrong.

She's evil. Which we've seen evil people like her, so she's either evil or she's mentally ill or both. 

So let's answer the question in the room. 

If it comes back that this girl is mentally incapable of standing trial. So they're going to say that she's mentally. I don't know if you found [00:34:00] the same articles, but from what I have read, several members of her friendship base at least has come forward and said, something ain't quite right with Taylor.

She needs some help. Those pleas seems to have been ignored. So do we feel that people would have took that seriously? We would still be in this same boat. That?

depends because here's the thing in a lot of states, I don't know exactly what the Wisconsin law is, but in a lot of states, you can only be held against your will in a mental institution for so long. It's not an indefinite stay unless you volunteer to go. So while there have been statements made that she has had mental health issues that have been untreated, we don't know for sure that they have been untreated by choice, because if people are trying to help her and she's refusing help, that's different than people trying to 

help her.

And no.

Well, I'll let you know, in California, we have something to call a fifty one fifty, it's where you can call the police [00:35:00] and the ambulance will come for someone that you feel has had a mental break down but there are certain things you had to prove.

Like they had to say some stuff like they wanted to kill themselves, or they tried to hurt somebody or they've locked themselves in the room and threatened to kill themselves. Or they have drugs everywhere, then yes, they will be put in the mental hospital on a 51 50, which is usually a 72 hour hold. Or unless a doctor says you can leave in a lot of cases, they'll put you in there until a doctor evaluate you.

And then the doctor determines if you can go, however, here's where the 51 50 fails. If you are of age and you decide that you no longer want to be there, you can walk out. They have no choice, but to let you go, and then they will put down on the chart that you was ordered to stay beyond the 51 50, but you chose to leave.

Florida and Iowa are the same way. But even if you are not of age, unless a doctor says they [00:36:00] need to be held longer. It's still only 48 to 72 hours depending on your state. Right? And if your state has that law, because not all states do. Like I said, we don't know that these things fell on deaf ears, or if she 

refused to get any help from people that were trying to help. 

Well, the other cautionary 

tale 

is be careful who you be friend on Facebook. Now. It was. 

It really was never pinpointed. Cause I've tried to find it as is how long they knew each other. Was this a brand new thing? Only thing that keeps coming up is that they were Facebook friends. So we don't know if this was their first encounter or their second, but I'm, or more than that, but I'm on the end that this was more than once because the mother went to bed, feeling comfortable with Taylor being in the house 

she knew who Taylor was. So I feel like this wasn't our

first encounter.

So then the question becomes, 

this is not your first [00:37:00] encounter. You've been dating for some time. Why now? So after all the entanglement we probably been into, you probably have done this several times, what snap all of a sudden or that day. Cause it was in the middle of the day, that makes you want to kill him

now?

Like I said, I think it was a crime of opportunity. Everything fell into place for her to do it. Nobody was at the house. He had the choke collars she could easily go upstairs and get knives. I think that it was a crime of opportunity. 

Everything fell into place for her. so she did it. 

Well, all I got to say is my heart goes out to his parents. cause I don't know how I would react. I mean, It's bad enough to just find your child dead, but to find body parts in buckets. That's just, and again, I'm erring on the side that she really ain't that far gone because she made mention that where her mistakes were.

What's the only mistake is she left the head and she didn't clean herself up. [00:38:00] Uh, So at some point you would have to know that the police is going to come. Especially if mom knew that you was with son earlier that day, even if you didn't do it, you can expect the police to show up the question you, because the fact that you, one of the last people that seen this young man alive. so I hope that she kind of gets whatever's coming to her, but we won't know that until after this competency hearing is done.

And that is scheduled to take place on April the 13th. So we'll be on the lookout for that. Alright Geneva. so what are you final thoughts on this case. 

I think she's evil. I don't know how you do all that and then the stuff she did after you it's one thing to kill in this member. Someone like we've seen that happen before, but the other stuff, oh, I don't know. I really am like erring on the side of I feel like she's [00:39:00] cause. She scares me.

I'm not gonna lie to you looking at pictures of her scares me. And I'm not really easily scared. Okay. My favorite genre to read is thrillers. So I'm not easily scared, but she scares me. So I hope she gets what's coming to her. I hope they, if she's not like mentally ill, they, whoever does her evaluated. Sees through that. You know what I mean? I feel like sometimes there are cases where you, we know that they're not crazy, but whoever did the evaluation, doesn't see through it, so I'm hoping that if she's not crazy that they see through that. And then she goes where she needs to go. Cause I feel like if they let her. She'll do it again. I don't feel like this is a first time thing as obsessed as she is with Jeffrey Dahmer. Absolutely not. She'll re-offend someone else will die. I just feel like that. 

 Opinion. [00:40:00] 

Well out of all the cases that we've done and all the cases I've looked at, I think this one even has at least some of the murders that know. Mr. Little did makes this look pale in comparison. The pages that we were putting the discord.

If you look at her, I think Geneva alluded to this all made up. She looks perfectly fine, right? Mean, you look at her like, man, gorgeous. And then you see the mugshot and it's like, you just see the evil pouring out. It's like, if you look at her eyes, there is nothing behind them

so, Yes. I hope that she gets what she has coming to her. I don't believe that she is as mentally deranged as they may want you to think that she is. Do I think she may have some issues? Yes, but not enough. Not to know what it was that she was doing. So we're have to follow up on that. My heart and prayers goes out to Shad's family. hope that there'll be to recover from this. Uh, as [00:41:00] hard as that going to be, you know, as on their own terms. And I hope that Taylor Schabusiness goes to jail for a very long time for what she has done, depending on what this court finds out. Uh, And we will keep you guys posted on that. All right guys, we'll we thank you for tuning into this one.

Hope that you enjoyed the case as much as that was possible. Geneva, do you have any shout outs?

So the only shows I have this week are actually two, the YouTubers that I found this case because of. Okay. So the first one is Christina Randall. Technically her video was the second video that I found. But the first video that I watched the other YouTube for that I want to shout out is Annie Elise from 10 to life.

So her channel is 10 to life, but the woman that does it, her name is Annie Lee. She's great. But her [00:42:00] thumbnail for her video, freaked me out and was like, this can't be real. So I typed in Taylor's Schabusiness and searched and that's how I found Christina's. So those are the two videos that I used for my research along with thank you to the daily mail, obviously. Cause we use that, but yeah, so those are my two shout outs tend to life with Annie Elise and then just, it's just 

Christina.

That's her name and her channel. 

Any shout outs from you? 

I'm going to do the same and shout out the YouTuber that I got. A lot of my 

research 

from. She has a channel called grizzly true crime. It is ran by a young lady named Gisella. She has written several books of her own about Jeffrey Dahmer in some of the most notorious serial killers out there. So check out her website, I'll put down below, but she did a real in-depth case on this one that I was able to listen to and pull out information from.

So I do think [00:43:00] her for that again, grizzly true crime, be sure to check them out.

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