S5:11:124: The Disappearance of Mitrice Richardson

[00:00:00] David: Welcome to a day with crime podcast, where a crime of day keeps the doctor away. Here are your host David and Geneva McClam. What's going on, everybody. Welcome to the episode of a David crime. We are your host, David

[00:00:27] Geneva: and Geneva

[00:00:29] David: you are listening to season five, episode 11, total case number 100 and 24 Geneva.

[00:00:38] David: How you doing today? 

[00:00:41] Geneva: I'm doing great. Dad got a lot of book mail this week. You know what I mean? That always makes it better. The week better, you know, also hit my six year clean day on the 11th. So, 

[00:00:56] David: and that's why you getting all this book mail, cause you got your six year clean day. [00:01:00] Congratulations. 

[00:01:01] Geneva: Thank you so much.

[00:01:02] Geneva: You know, we out here, living the life. How are you dad? 

[00:01:06] David: I am doing well. All we can do been working feverishly on a new project. That's coming out the will let everybody here know about as we get to the end of things. Otherwise we are doing very, very good.

[00:01:22] David: So guys, we are glad that we are back on a more consistent basis, had a lot of things going on. We hope that you did tune in to last week's episode, where we did interview Richard Zitrin, who is a lawyer and a professor. I know some people may think that was not true crime, but he does write about true crime, meaning that he is an attorney.

[00:01:43] David: And that's a lot of the cases that he did over time. Starting with the first case we talked about, which is the same Quentin six. So he did, you know, criminal cases. He did litigation cases as far as products and things of that nature. So if you haven't checked that episode out, please do we feel like it's one of the most important [00:02:00] episodes that we have shot on a day with crime?

[00:02:03] David: And it was a pleasure having Richard on the podcast, I know you enjoyed it, how did you feel about, you know, how did you think he went with Richard last week? 

[00:02:13] David: Great. Richard has become my new grandpa. So he's family now. 

[00:02:19] David: Yeah, we kind of adopted Richard. He's a very genuine guy. So if you're listening Richard wanna say thank you once again for gracing us with your presence here on A day with crime. 

[00:02:31] David: All right. So let's get into today's case today's case. Guys is a little bit heavy on what it's talking about, but it is truly a case that needs to be kept in your mind. And is one of those cases that became one of the reasons why we do this podcast. So today we're gonna talk about the death of Mitrice Richardson.

[00:02:59] David: [00:03:00] Geneva, this is your case. Take it away. 

[00:03:03] Geneva: All right. So Mitrice Levon Richardson was born April 30th in 1985. Her parents are Latice Sutton and Michael Richardson. She was raised by her mother and stepfather, Larry Sutton in Covina, California. Mitrice obtained a bachelor of arts degree in psychology in 2008 from California state university. Fullerton after graduating from south Hills high school in west Covina, California, Mitrice was an open lesbian, and at the time of her death had been dating her girlfriend Tesa moon for about two years.

[00:03:43] Geneva: She had also competed as a beauty pageant. Contestant worked as an intern for a forensic psychologist and part-time as a dancer in an L G B Q I A+ strip club. I want y'all to remember all of these things. Also [00:04:00] remember that Mitrice Richardson is African American black.

[00:04:05] Geneva: So keep all those things that I just said in mind, because I think that's a big reason that her case turned out the way that it did.

[00:04:12] Geneva: On the evening of September 16th, 2009, Mitrice entered the parking lot of Geoffreys restaurant in Malibu due to what staff and patrons at the restaurant described as bizarre behavior and the fact that she was unable to pay her $89 bill, the Los Angeles county Sheriff's department from the Malibu lost hill station was called to assess her condition.

[00:04:35] Geneva: The officers on the scene purportedly administered a field sobriety test and determined. She was not intoxicated and not under the influence of any substances. She was arrested on charges of, suspicion of not paying for the meal end quote and possession of less than an ounce of marijuana. According to the arresting officers upon her arrest, her phone purse and money were secured in her car and her [00:05:00] car was towed to a tow yard on the Pacific coast highway.

[00:05:03] Geneva: Mitrice was detained in booked at the Malibu lost Hills sheriff' station, approximately 10 miles up Malibu Canyon. Although Mitrice mother informed the station of concern for her daughter's mental health and despite promises from the station personnel that she would not be released until later in the morning, Mitrice was in fact, released on September 17th, 2009 at 12:28 AM with no belongings and no means of calling for assistance.

[00:05:29] Geneva: Remember all of her things, her phone, her keys, her money her purse were all locked in her car, which had been towed away. Steve Whitmore, the spokesperson for the Los Angeles county Sheriff's department said Mitrice was released from jail because quote, she exhibited no signs of mental illness or intoxication.

[00:05:48] Geneva: She was fine. She's an adult end quote. She had been invited to wait in the lobby, but declined. Several hours later at 6:30 AM. She was seen in the backyard of former KTLA news anchor, bill [00:06:00] Smith in Monty Nito when Smith opened his window and asked if she was okay, Mitrice told Smith that she was resting. They stated that the police were called.

[00:06:11] David: Well, just in that little bit, you know, listening to some of the things I was listening to about this case, I automatically got baffled off the beginning for one, the, I heard the phone call that the officer had with Mar Teresa's mother LAIs.

[00:06:27] David: And the first thing that came to my mind is the officer misspoke. What I mean by that is because I've had people before. That's like, Hey man, I'm getting arrested because I got, you know, a ticket I didn't pay. And when you call up there and say, Hey, can you tell me if it's possible, this person's gonna be released that night.

[00:06:46] David: Unless it's a Friday, because if you're booked in on Friday and you have to go to court, you gonna be there all weekend. Cuz there ain't no courts Saturday and Sunday, but unless it's a Friday, they would tell me, we can't tell you that it is possible. They can be released as [00:07:00] possible. Not they'll call you when they get out this officer straight up said, no, she would not be released at this time of the night.

[00:07:07] David: We would not do that because her mother was. Kind of deciding if she was gonna go down to the station that night, or if she wasn't gonna be released, then she was gonna wait and go and pick her up the next morning. If they would've told her mother it is possible that she can be released tonight or she would be released tonight, her mother would have driven down to get her.

[00:07:34] David: The thing is though is the other reason that the cop misspoke is because for the reasons they're saying they released. She had no prior criminal record at all, she didn't appear to be intoxicated. So basically what she did was a slap on the wrist. They probably gave her a promise to appear ticket back to court.

[00:07:52] David: And that was that. So I just wanted to point out it was baffling to me that why that officer would say that when I've had [00:08:00] experiences where they could never tell you if somebody's getting out or not, because they don't know unless it's a Friday, when they go, they're going to court. So they definitely won't be getting out this weekend.

[00:08:08] David: You can meet them at the court house tomorrow morning at eight o'clock. 

[00:08:13] Geneva: So from what I understand, the reason that the officer told her that is because she was concerned about her mental health. Well, I picked that up too. I'm not saying they didn't, I'm not saying that they didn't misspeak, but I think that the only reason that she was given the information that she was is because she was expressing concern for Mitrice mental health.

[00:08:30] Geneva: Do you think she'll be released? He probably would've or the officer probably would've said, I'm sorry. Ma'am she's an adult. I can't tell you. 

[00:08:38] David: Well that in her safety, which his comeback was that she would be in the cell by herself. So she didn't have to worry about her safety and her mom's response to that was no, no, I totally feel safe with her being there.

[00:08:48] David: But even if the person was to suffer mental health, they can't tell you unless they're gonna transport them to someplace else. I, I agree with you. Maybe that's because he wanted her to feel better in the whole nine, but let's [00:09:00] discuss real quick since we don't have the call to play. And I know you've heard the.

[00:09:05] David: The I guess the call out that her mom kind of made her mom jokingly kind of said, because she didn't wanna read the paper the next day and find out that her daughter was somewhere on the loose with her head cut off. Yes. How did that grip you now that we know? Oh, 

[00:09:22] Geneva: I mean, I get why she said it. She was trying to be, you know, haha.

[00:09:26] Geneva: Funny. Like you can tell, even in the call, she's calm. She's not like frantic or anything like that, but you can tell that she says it as like a, I just wanna make sure she's not gonna be released because I don't wanna turn the news on in the morning and find out that she's in a ditch somewhere with her head cut off.

[00:09:43] Geneva: Like she says it in such a way that you can tell. She's trying to make a joke, but like, I'm not gonna ruin the case for nobody, but ruin, like knowing what we know.

[00:09:58] Geneva: That was his theory. It's like a [00:10:00] yikes moment. You know what I'm saying? , it's an unfortunate thing that she said, I'm not saying that she was wrong for saying it. I don't think it's like a damning thing that she said, but it's definitely like an unfortunate thing that she said.

[00:10:12] Geneva: So. On January 9th, 2010, four months after she was reported missing the Los Angeles county Sheriff's department conducted one of the largest scale searches in the history of the department. Over 300 volunteers, trained in search and rescue operations participated in the 18 square mile search in the area of Malibu canyon.

[00:10:30] Geneva: The search included both air and ground searches of creeks trails and ridges. Mitrice was not found during the search Maurice Dubois father of slain. Escondido California, teen Amber Dubois assisted Mitrice family in a two day search on June 5th and sixth, 2010 in the Monte Nito area of Malibu canyon.

[00:10:56] Geneva: Over 100 private citizen volunteers participated in the search of [00:11:00] the area. 

[00:11:00] Geneva: Although Mitrice' remains were not discovered. Searchers found racially and sexually offensive graffiti on the walls of the culvert in the canyon. The graffiti was freshly painted in paint, cans, brushes, and other potential evidence were left at the scene.

[00:11:14] Geneva: The Creek bed in Malibu Canyon, where Mitrice's Naked, mummified remains are eventually discovered is adjacent to a 21 acre ranch that is known for producing pornography. It is very secluded and has direct access to the Creek bed. When her body was discovered, the detectives on the case removed her body against the order of the coroner though, residents reportedly heard screams in that area several nights after Mitrice disappeared, her death is deemed to not be a homicide and there was no foul play.

[00:11:43] Geneva: So this case has been covered on just disappeared on ID discovery. The actual episode is called, lost in the dark and it aired on November 19th, 2012. On [00:12:00] season six, like the season six premiere. I also got a lot of my information from Kindle Ray, cuz she did a 30 minute video on YouTube. But also very recently, March of this year, there was a new reward offered over Mitrice death. As you said, she had, you know, disappeared crazily. Her mother made that call and said, I hate to wake up to a morning report of a girl, lost somewhere with her head chopped off in reference to Mitrice being released from jail, with nothing, literally nothing.

[00:12:40] Geneva: However, her disappearance did lead to an outcry by relatives and others. About the actions or inactions of Sheriff's deputies in the handling of her arrest in the middle of the night release the county's then office of independent review concluded in a report that deputies at the Malibu lost hill station [00:13:00] acted appropriately.

[00:13:01] Geneva: The night Mitrice was released and gave her the chance to stay voluntarily. The report says that they had no legal justification to deprive her of her freedom. A Sheriff's investigation into Mitrice death remains open. The manner of death was never determined by the LA county coroner's office.

[00:13:19] Geneva: Sheriff's detectives over the years have insisted they have no evidence of foul play. Her family and friends have repeatedly contested that Mitrice friends and family have long accused the Sheriff's department of a coverup. And in 2011, the family reached a $900,000 settlement with the county of Los Angeles .Sheriff Alex Villanova upon taking office in 2019, met with family and friends of Mitrice.

[00:13:45] Geneva: Vilanueva said the department had changed its procedures since Mitrice disappearance, which occurred while. Lee Baca was sheriff. So the sheriff that was on her case . The department doesn't wait now to take missing persons [00:14:00] reports for adults. And it makes sure that people have their cell phones and personal property return to them before they are released from jail.

[00:14:05] Geneva: The problem in this case is there was no way for them to return her personal property because they had her put all of her personal stuff, all her purse, her keys, her phone, whatever in her car, and then had her car towed. So how are y'all gonna return her stuff,

[00:14:23] Geneva: but then y'all wanna say that she's found dead in a secluded area, in a body of water behind a ranch. And I mean, I'm not saying anything happened to her, like anyone in that ranch did something to her I'm not saying that. But I think that 

[00:14:38] Geneva: because she was a dancer in a strip club because she's a minority because she was openly part of the LGBTQIA+ community. All three of those things were strikes against her. And I think what happened was. She was found dead in a body of water, behind a [00:15:00] ranch that is known for producing adult films or pornography.

[00:15:05] Geneva: And because of that, they were like, oh, well, she must have wanted to be there. She must have just fallen into the lake intoxicated or the water intoxicated at no foul play. Like I just feel like there was negligence here. My opinion though. 

[00:15:20] David: Well, being someone who lives. In LA. Okay. So I live in the city of Palmdale, which is LA county.

[00:15:28] David: Even though I don't live in the city of Los Angeles, I live in the county. The, so basically what that means is she was also in the county still. Right. But the Sheriff's department and all of that, even though I have my separate one here still plays into that. Right. So sheriff villain AWA is the sheriff of all of LA and LA county.

[00:15:48] David: I say that because of my next statement about to make. Los Angeles PD has been up under scrutiny for many, many, many, many years. And a lot of this stuff plays down on racial lines. [00:16:00] I'll give you one. We covered a case in season one about a guy named Christopher Dorner. We covered that case back in December 13th, 2019, Christopher Dorner was an LAPD cop that went on a shooting spree, only killing cops and cops, families, including up to the chief because he felt like that he was.

[00:16:18] David: Pretty much not listened to, and he was discriminated against because of his skin tone. I say that because of the fact that for years now, the LAPD, even though this happened a long time ago, several years ago, they are still trying to cover that up. In this case, I feel the same way with Latrice. Now, in my own opinion, I personally felt like it was irrelevant to say that she was.

[00:16:46] David: A lesbian. Here's why I say that. I don't think this played into this case at all, because she had came out to her family. Her family knew, but there was nothing on her person, nothing that said that she was, she didn't make that statement to the police. The police had no way of [00:17:00] knowing if she was a lesbian or not.

[00:17:04] David: I do believe though what her attorney says that race does play a factor in this. That's because the way that the LAPD has construed things has done things. And her attorney actually said, if her name was Lindsay Lohan, or if her name was Brittney Spears, they felt more stuff would have been done on her.

[00:17:25] David: Not saying that the LAPD has not had discrimination against people that are in the LGBTQIA+ community because they have, I just don't feel like in this case, That's what happened? I do believe that there is a cover up though, of who let her go and why, and I don't know if you believe it or not Geneva, but I don't believe that they offered her to stay in the precinct .Because I think that they would have, if nothing was wrong with her, like they say she was having no mental break.

[00:17:54] David: She was not intoxicated. The next thing that anybody would've asked is, well, can I call for a ride? [00:18:00] What's your thought on that? 

[00:18:01] Geneva: I think that the statement that they offered her at two in the morning to sit in the lobby and wait was something to cover their behind.

[00:18:13] Geneva: That doesn't happen. If they release you from jail, they just want you to leave. You're not of used to them anymore, like you're not a ward of the state anymore. So like, just go, that's what it is. 

[00:18:25] David: But you have to kinda look at it this way though.

[00:18:28] David: I'm not certainly sure. Either that something wasn't wrong with her before she even got to jail. Because of the reports that we got when she got to Jeffrey's restaurant. She was acting a little loopy at that point, when the guy came and said they only did valet parking, these are the things that we researched for you guys, cuz there's nowhere in this Wikipedia page, she ended up at Jeffrey's restaurant.

[00:18:54] David: She did talk to the valet. The valet advised her that the only way that they do parking was to [00:19:00] park a valet style. He had to park her car in front of her and then he would come back and park her car. When the valet comes back, he finds her in his car. And he's kinda like, why are you in my car? He gets her out of his car.

[00:19:13] David: She goes into the restaurant to have her meal. Now she had a very expensive meal for somebody only by herself. 

[00:19:19] Geneva: Her bill ended up being a total of like $89.

[00:19:23] David: , I think that that price may be off. I know where the area that she's at here, where I'm at. Maybe I get a stake and a glass of wine for $89 where she's at a Pacific coast highway. No, that's where all the Hollywood stars stays off of a Pacific coast highway.

[00:19:37] David: So all that to say, she goes in the restaurant, she asks some couple she did not know if she could sit with them. At which point in time the bill came, they left. She didn't pay her bill. Now it ends up here. She tells 'em. She thought her friends paid it. She started making excuses, which thought her money was.

[00:19:53] David: And then that came to this problem. I think something was wrong with her before. Don't know what, I don't know if she was [00:20:00] impaired, but I do think that there was an issue beforehand. And I think that there was an issue after she got released. I don't know. What'd you think about. Think it's possible that she got drugged by somebody she didn't know?

[00:20:13] Geneva: It shown that they did a field sobriety test.

[00:20:16] Geneva: Her mom has even made statements that they did do a field sobriety test on her and that she appeared to be fine. So the police at that point, chalked it up to, she was just trying to skip out on a bill. At that point, but also her mom had called saying that she was concerned about her mental health.

[00:20:34] Geneva: So I'm not necessarily saying that something was wrong with her or that, I mean, because it's very possible that she also was acting that way to try to get out of having to pay for stuff that's possible. But something happened between her going to jail and being released at least. even if we say that the rest didn't because her, her mother has [00:21:00] made statements saying that there was a field sobriety test done.

[00:21:04] Geneva: There was evidence of a field sobriety test done. And the reason that they took her to jail was because she was trying to dine and dash.

[00:21:11] Geneva: So the restaurant called the police saying, hi, we have a person trying to leave without paying their bill of $89. 

[00:21:19] David: Which was it within their right. Totally to do 

[00:21:21] Geneva: I'm not blaming the restaurant at all, but that's how the police got called was the restaurant was like, okay, ma'am, I'm like, you have to pay your bill.

[00:21:28] Geneva: And she was making up excuses about why she couldn't pay her bill, where her money was at. She thought this person, that person had paid it for her. All of that. So. What led to her going to jail? I'm not against that. I'm not saying that anyone was in the wrong for calling the police because someone was trying to steal from their establishment.

[00:21:47] Geneva: What I'm saying is , something happened between her leaving that restaurant, going to jail and then getting released.

[00:21:53] David: Well, I'm not so sure. If anybody listen to this, this police officers, I'm sorry. There's a lot of you guys [00:22:00] out there that is good. But you guys have to admit that there is

[00:22:02] David: a few of you guys out there that is not so good. I'm not so certain that she left the police department underneath her own feet either. I'm not sure if somebody had put her in the back of a car, cause she ends up miles away from the police station in the back of a field where they shoot pornography at.

[00:22:20] Geneva: Right. And it, it was so far away that she would've had to have gotten a ride from somebody. Right. So I don't know if it was a police officer that did it. Trying to trick her into, Hey, I'm gonna be nice and I'm gonna give you a ride because it's dark.

[00:22:33] Geneva: Or if she got picked up somewhere like she was walking and got picked up somewhere along the way, but either way, there's some kind of foul play going on here that they're just not looking into 

[00:22:43] David: Now I'm not saying it's his job, but see if you greet me on this one, maybe it's just that we different people.

[00:22:49] David: From the time that Latrice. Talk to the cops, you know, her mother, it was only like 30 minutes before she ended up getting released from what I had [00:23:00] heard and what I read, which means that the officer that she talked to was still on duty at this time. If that was you, would you have picked up a phone and said, Hey, I understand that we just talked.

[00:23:11] David: We didn't think she's gonna get released today, but she's been released. If you wanted to come get her, did you, would you feel like that that's something that you feel like you would have to do being that you just told her mom, don't worry about it. She ain't going nowhere until in the morning. So 

[00:23:24] Geneva: here's my thing.

[00:23:27] Geneva: It's hard for me to say for sure, because I know how shifts work in a jail. Right. It's hard for me to say for sure that that cop was still on duty when she was released, because for all we know that cop that she talked to worked there 12 hours and left at 2:00 AM. She wasn't, she wasn't released til after two am.

[00:23:50] Geneva: So yes, if that cop was still in the building, when she was released, if I was that cop, yes. I probably would have picked up the [00:24:00] phone and given a call, however. , I don't want to assume that that cop was still on duty. or even in that same area when she, or even if that cop was on duty in that same area when she was released. You could have somebody sitting Manning the phone and then half hour pass.

[00:24:20] Geneva: And that person is somewhere else in the jail and not near where intake or outtake is done. So, yes, if that cop was still on duty still in intake and outtake and didn't pick up the phone. Sure. You could argue that they should have done that, but I'm not sure that that's how it happened with that cop because that cop gave a lot of information that they were not supposed to do 

[00:24:44] David: now the reason that I say, I know it's not his job. Is because, you know, here, we just tell the truth. I go this with my wife too. And I say, you know, if Madison is some place and the cops pick her up, she grown, they don't have to [00:25:00] call us. And they don't. So when they released Mitrice, they did not legally have to call her mother or anybody to let her know that she was gone because Mitrice is an adult is supposed to be confidential that she was even there.

[00:25:15] David: It's supposed to be confidential she's released. . Now, if you call and say, Hey Mitrice Richardson was booked last night. Is she gone? They will tell you if the person has been released. So you don't call the jail 45,000 times .But it is not their obligation to call if you are an adult. And I know that's a hard pill to swallow, and I know that should be changed for certain people I feel, but that's just the way that it.

[00:25:37] Geneva: So a lot of times they will even send you to the online database that will tell you if the inmate is in custody or not. Because that system gets updated as soon as they are put into outtake. 

[00:25:51] David: So, you know, being that I've lived here 20 years, I have to say there is no secret that there's a lot of issues with [00:26:00] LAPD.

[00:26:00] David: Vilanovacame in, was supposed to change certain things. He did make certain things better for the department, but there is still a lot of racism. There's still a lot of underhandedness. There's still a lot of secrecy. That's around L a P D even though was written back in April 21st or 2016. I believe that article is still relevant today.

[00:26:21] David: There was a written why secrecy and suspicion surround the Los Angeles county Sheriff's department. And it does so. I hope that a lot of this stuff gets uncovered. If you guys wanna know a little bit more deeper about that, from what a cop said, he was going through, please go and check out the Christopher Dorner episode that we did in our first season.

[00:26:40] David: I will post that link in the show. No. So it's easy for you guys to get to, but when it comes to LAPD I'm very suspicious about them from the get go. And it's not just because Mitrice was black, either I mean, they've got tons of cases dealing with all types of people. All races, all colors, all genders.

[00:26:59] David: That's [00:27:00] just up underneath cover in LAPD. So Geneva, what is your final thoughts on Mitrice Richardson? 

[00:27:09] Geneva: I mean, we need some answers. There's no answers in this case because they ruled it as no foul play. So they essentially ruled it as an accidental death.

[00:27:21] Geneva: I mean, I am sad for her family and I think that Mitrice definitely deserves justice, but there won't be justice until there are answers. So that's where we're at. . This is one of those unfortunate cases where everything is not all tied up with a bow.

[00:27:39] Geneva: Like some of our cases are where we get an ending. Like we got an ending, but the ending is not in my opinion what it is. So like, yes, there was an ending. She, her death was rule. As accidental or no foul play, but I feel like that's not [00:28:00] actually what happened.

[00:28:00] Geneva: In my opinion, what are your final thoughts Dad? 

[00:28:03] David: I hope whatever is going on that, like you said, we don't have any answers that we get answers. Mitrice family deserves that. And it's the only way that the case can be truly closed. I have my opinions and doubts in this case. I do think that there's a cover up somewhere.

[00:28:24] David: I do think that somebody knows more within the police department about what happened to Mitrice than what they are talking about or what they are saying. And I hope for the family's sake, that that does come out even though she has been. Announced dead. And they found her remains, her family still runs a page called find Mitrice Richardson over on Facebook, which I will link in the description.

[00:28:48] David: They also help other people and they also spotlight other missing children on that page. So please go and check that page out so you can see what's going on and how [00:29:00] their fight's going for not only Mitrice, but other children and especially those. Who may have had some type of mental health issues.

[00:29:10] David: So you say rest and peace to Mitrice Richarson and Gods Beed to the family. And I hope that they get what they deserve in the end. So that does it for this one. Folks. We thank you for tuning in, and we hope that you find this case not only interesting, but interesting enough that you will continue to dig into it until.

[00:29:35] David: Justice is found Geneva. Do you have any shoutouts this week? 

[00:29:42] Geneva: , I would like to shout out

[00:29:45] Geneva: 10 to life with Annie lease. You can listen to it on any of your major podcasting apps, but you can also watch her on YouTube. If you prefer that on her YouTube channel, she does include images, documents, [00:30:00] screenshot, video, things like that, that you can put on a video format.

[00:30:04] Geneva: So that is first. 10 to life. And her name is Annie Elise. My other one that I would like to shout out is Hustle Stanley podcast with Jess Massey.

[00:30:16] Geneva: , this is a productivity podcast. So hustle sanely is a productivity community. Jess talks to you about how to combat burnout, how to. Hustle sanely, if you will, that way you are not feeling like you are at the end of your rope every day of your life.

[00:30:37] Geneva: She also teaches you, her tried and true system of the hustle sanely five. That's really all. I'm gonna tell you about it though. Cuz the rest you gotta go listen to it. It's basically free coaching in your ears. There are other ways that you can get more coaching if you pay. The podcast is a gem.

[00:30:56] Geneva: It was the first thing that she came out with before having a bunch of paid stuff [00:31:00] and it's free. So go listen to it. So those are my two shoutouts, 10 to life with Annie Lease and the hustle sanely podcast with Jess Massey. Dad, do you have any shoutouts this week? 

[00:31:13] David: I do. So at the top of the podcast, I told you guys that there was a project I was working on that I would tell you a little bit more at the end.

[00:31:23] David: Here we are. So let me just play this for you. This is what my new project is. And then I'll tell you a little bit more about it.[00:32:00] 

[00:32:32] David: All right. So that's my new project guys, true crime. And authors is gonna drop on in September coming that first and second week. This is kind of one my brain child, kind of one things I wanted to do, because as we've said before, Geneva and I reread an awful lot and we love true crime. So here on a David crime, which will still going, of course, there's a lot of different cases that we're able to do here.

[00:32:57] David: A lot of cases Geneva and I have to come together to decide to do [00:33:00] there's a lot of research we both have to do to do that. . Then over here on my other podcast, there would be different cases, cases that I can do. Solo cases that maybe no one has really heard before. So then one week you have a true crime case.

[00:33:12] David: The next week I'm gonna be doing an interview with an author. A lot of these authors will be independent authors. And that's why I created this podcast is because there's so many great independent authors out there. Great ones that Geneva and I have read that maybe a lot of people don't know about.

[00:33:27] David: Some of these independent authors are number one, bests seller. Things of that nature. So I wanna be able to do my part, to help them get their stuff out. So that's what true crime and authors is about. If you love true crime, if you love to read and you really want to get into the mind of an author and what they are doing or thinking when they write the books, this is the podcast for you already have some great authors lined up, so you don't want to miss that.

[00:33:54] David: So again, true, common authors will be coming to you. In September.[00:34:00] 

[00:34:04] David: All right, guys, we thank you for tuning in. We know you have many, many, many choices and true crime podcasts. We are just grateful that for the last four and a half years, you have chosen us. Once again, we hope you're being safe out there, and we hope that you are being good to yourself and to each other.

[00:34:26] David: And as always don't commit any crimes out there. 

[00:34:31] Geneva: So you don't end up on our podcast.