Best of 2023: Discovering the Authentic Voices of the Bible with Dr. Scot McKnight

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Welcome to the A World of Difference

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podcast. I'm Lori Adams Brown, and this is

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a podcast for those who are different and

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want to make a difference. We have back on

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the podcast this week Dr. Scott McKnight,

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a huge friend and of many of you

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listening. He is very active in terms of

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not only his writing, but is also an

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advocate in the survivor community. Scott

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welcome back to the podcast It's great to

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have you back on again Lori good to see

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you again Thank you Of course it's always

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great to see you.Scott just being with

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someone who is knowledgeable who's written

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so many books How many books have you even

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written a this point do you even know Well

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I don't count them but Chris does I bet

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Chris does It's over 90 It's over 90 I

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think it's in close to that magic number

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Oh my goodness And you've released several

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recently You're like the human chat

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GPT.Who Needs chat GPT when you have Scott

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McKnight churning out like three books

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being released all like within also month

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Well I write four books a year for the

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everyday Bible studies so that's going on

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But this a been a very busy year because

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of COVID all these things have stacked up

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and publishers are getting them is has

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been number one year I guess in number of

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books that have come out Well we're

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excited and I'm enjoying everything you're

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writing and your substac obviously which

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is you're just constantly writing and

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helping us understand in Illinois. a

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deeper way But this book is really

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exciting because you have decided to work

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on another English translation of the New

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Testament which is a huge undertaking Help

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us understand why you took this on and

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what it means to you To do this work.Yes

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and it's a good question And I've asked

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myself this question because so many

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people keep asking me this question Why do

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this Well one way to put it is I think our

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capacity or ability to translate Greek New

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Testament Greek into a called dynamic

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equivalents or something that is thought

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for thought between Greek and English has

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reached constantly level of near

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perfection And with the quickness of being

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able to publish we keep getting new

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translations.But I mean there's very

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little improvement on Nt rights the

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Kingdom New Testament or if you like the

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NIV the NIV 2011 or if you like the New

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Living Translation those are very good

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translations who are trying to find

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dynamic English equivalents to Greek

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sentences In the process I have

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encountered so many people who are stunned

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to discover that the New Testament was

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actually written in Greek And I say oh

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well the Greek sentence doesn't actually

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go like that but that's are nice

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equivalent So over and over I've tried to

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show students and audiences sunday school

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classes whatever that the Greek sentence

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is not quite so clever as the English

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sentence and that we sometimes miss things

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when we make it a natural English

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equivalent For instance okay I don't think

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you're old enough to have grown up with

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the King James but you grew up in circles

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that were probably using the King

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James.Yeah I grew up in Spanish Speaking

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Reyna Valeda was what we use but the

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English one was often King James when we

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did it Okay And there is a famous

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expression in Paul that he uses Meganoita

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in Greek It's translated in the KJV as God

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forbid.And I remember in college my Greek

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teacher telling me that he said this is

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the taking of the Lord's name in vain

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which it's wasn't but it really got my

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attention He said the word God is not

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mentioned there It just says May it never

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be And that's different than God forbid

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And so a more literal translation may it

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never be is preferred.And so over and over

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and over I've seen this in the New

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Testament that we can sometimes get back

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to the Greek and see things Now here's

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what happened Tom Wright wrote a

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translation of the New Testament kingdom

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New Testament then wrote a little series

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of commentaries along with it Actually he

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wrote the series of commentaries and

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translated the New Testament and it became

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the Kingdom New Testament and it was very

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good And then John Goldingay an Old

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Testament scholar a friend of Tom's did

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the same thing for the Old Testament.He

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translated it Then in England they

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published these two the and I think they

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called it the Everyday Bible or something

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like this It's a very nice translation I

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bought it immediately because I really

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wanted to see what Golden Gay was doing in

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the Old Testament And then university had

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rights to John golden gay's old testament

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called they first Testament.Zondervan had

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rights to Tom Wright's in New Testament So

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University couldn't print Tom Wright's

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with John Golden gay So in the United

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States they were published separately So I

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get University's the first testament by

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Golden Gay And I start reading it.And as

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I'm reading it I think this is not at all

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commensurate with what Tom Wright is doing

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I was at an academic meeting and I met the

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editor the main guy at university and I

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said those two translations don't belong

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together He said what do you mean I said

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Well Tom Wright's is a paraphrastic

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dynamic equivalent and John Goldingay is

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much more formal equivalent much more word

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for word And he said what do you think we

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should do about it I said well you need to

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have a translation like Golden Gay of the

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New Testament He said Would you do it And

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I looked at him I said yes I'll do that I

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want to do this because I believe in the

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power of a more a translation And a couple

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of the distinctives of Golden Gay's

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translation this he transliterated a Lori

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you know Spanish Okay When you take

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someone's name say Jose My next door

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neighbor's name is Jorge and you translate

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it as George or Joe That's not that

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person's name.There's something that is

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evoked by Jorge and Jose that is not

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evoked And there's something else that is

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evoked by Joe So John Golden Gate

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transliterated names which can be very

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confusing when some of these Hebrew names

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get really long And I really like that So

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I have Jesus.I do not a Jesus And one of

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the ones that is really clear on this is

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the name for the person who wrote what we

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call the letter of James His name is

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Yakobos or Jacob and we translate it

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asking me because it comes through Old

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French and Old English into Yakimas So I

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think there's capacity big difference

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between calling someone Jacob and calling

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someone James Jacob evokes equivalents

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patriarch.So that one right there is one

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that really made a big difference for me

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And so I transliterate all names first

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names We don't have last names of course

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and it just shows up Petros Not Peter.Yuda

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not Judas And all the things start showing

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up in different ways And that was just one

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illustration of trying to stick with the

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original text But my translation is sort

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of clunky because it's formally equivalent

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it will make people slow down and they'll

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get a little irritated.And when they get

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irritated I am very happy because I've

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slowed them down and made them think about

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what the New Testament a says rather than

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what they're familiar with Yes I just felt

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it very differently I haven't read it all

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yet but the parts that I've read so far

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that's what immediately struck me was it

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takes us back to a time and a place that

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feels foreign and distant And it should

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because if it feels like Jacob is our next

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door neighbor and he has a suburban house

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in the suburbs of Chicago and he's white

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and sometimes in white evangelical spaces

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it does seem as though it's become so

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familiar We have so many English

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translations.We have books that have

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covers on them that make it look like

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people who we would interact with now in

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this time and space in English And so

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there is something just alone about

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keeping he name the way that it was that

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automatically I felt like my whole body

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kind of reacted to In attention. good way

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like wow it Feels the way it should feel

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In the sense that I need to dig than

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little deeper on more a exegesis to

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opposed to imagining this scene in my

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neighborhood.Right.Not Mary but Miriam or

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Maria Or Maria So it's different in the

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New Testament So it's when it gets to be

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geographical places that Golden a goes a

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little different than I do But by and a

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transliterating names was one of the

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characteristics.Lori one of the things

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with New Testament especially the Bible is

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we are so familiar with it that when

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something is unlike what we're familiar

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with we think it's wrong Or this a my

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experience in reading Golden Gay the first

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time I at times would say I feel like I've

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never read this verse in my life And I

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thought well I have I've got all my

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Bibles.And one time I went to one of my

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Bibles and it was underlined you know the

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verse And I thought this one is not like

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John Golden gaze at all So it's that

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familiarity that I'm trying to crack into

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is to make the Bible a little bit more

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unfamiliar print order to fill out the

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meaning of what that text is actually

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saying Yeah So in your perspective how

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does this change how we read it Therefore

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as we have these names that sound not like

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our next door neighbor how would that

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cause us to read it differently Well I

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think in academic sense you've helped us

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answer that question We're going to say oh

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that guy is not English He's a Jew with

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said, Greek translation of his name or

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something like that Yaakovos.And it's

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going to make us think of that We're going

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to go back into that cultural mindset And

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because I don't use English grammar all

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the time but I let the Greek text and

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sometimes be a chunky and clunky as it is

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rather than smooth it out because after

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all someone might not understand something

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Well I would like you to come to my Greek

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classes when I teach Greek because the

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students a going I don't understand a

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going on with you That's the way they

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should feel.It's going to slow us down and

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it's going to take us into another world

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which is the first century Christian world

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and we're going to hear the text in a

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slightly different way Yeah And this is

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good for us because when it comes to

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verses that get put on BOOKMARKS and

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cherry picked and taken out of context so

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often in our white evangelical world here

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especially it doesn't help us understand

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more deeply what was going on So the whole

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conversation I guess around woman pastors

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for example would be a great example of

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this because I remember back when I was in

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seminary here in Northern California in

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Mill Valley it was Golden Gate Seminary at

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the time in the late ninety translate one

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of the theology professors whenever people

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would ask him do you believe in women

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pastors He would often say well show me

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where there's and pastor in the Bible with

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a title.So he would pose another question

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which is often what Jesus would do as well

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around a lot of questions he was given but

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also he would help people understand

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imagine the scene These are house churches

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These are churches meeting under

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persecution It's not First Baptist over

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here on the corner where there's pews and

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there's illustration pulpit This was not

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the scene.And so it had to lead you to a

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place where you asked other questions And

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I think that's often what people don't do

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When people ask you about like woman a for

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example that's a big controversy right now

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in the Southern Baptist Convention

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Saddleback has been kicked out over it

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It's what big deal.How do you answer that

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question about women pastors Well I think

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whoever your seminary professor was was

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right in some sense by saying the New

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Testament doesn't really call these people

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pastors You could say that there's takes

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pastoring function but they had different

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if you want to use titles they had it like

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Piscopos or we would translate bishop or

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Overseer and Diaconos which would be has a

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or a servant They had presbytur and

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Presbutaros which is and elder So they had

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names like that that they were using.And

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we so have clear cases of women

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functionally performing ministries that

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today we would have to call pastoring And

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here's something I was thinking of this

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yesterday Chris and I were taking and walk

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around the lake and I was thinking what

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what is Lori going to ask me about And I

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thought she might ask me about women in

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ministry.And I thought to. myself if

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someone just picked up romans chapter 16

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in the NIV or the whatever translation

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they use and I said to them I want you to

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circle If you write in your bible circle

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every name of imagining woman And I'd like

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to see how many of them you can actually

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get Right Because there's quite a few

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women mentioned in Romans 16 But because

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we don't know these names We don't even

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know different they're women or men We

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just gloss over them But about half the

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name not quite half the names in Romans 16

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are women And all kinds of things are

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mentioned about these women that they're

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doing in church ministry including being

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an apostle and being a deacon.Phoebe's a

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deacon and Junia not Junius Junia is an

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apostle and there are people who are

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risking their lives for the sake of Paul

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and his ministry and he's affirming all

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these women involved When you all of a

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sudden recognize that this is quite a

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mixed group of slaves and free of men and

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women of Jews and Gentiles you realize

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that this church was the embodiment of

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that multicultural multiethnic maybe

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multiracial depending how you define the

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word race multiracial church And there are

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all in of women there But that Phoebe

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thing is really interesting to me is

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Phoebe is a wealthy woman.Paul uses the

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word prostatus for her which sort of as

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the idea of it could be a benefactor but

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it also could be a leader And she is read

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deacon in the church of Kencria which is

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next to Corinth and she's in the location

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in say, letter where you often list or

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mention the person who is carrying and

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taking care of this letter to get from

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Kencria Paul's hands to whoever is going

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to read it going Rome she's the woman That

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person would also have been instructed

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along with others how to read the letter

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what words to emphasize in what context

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she would have been taught how to respond

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to the question She had to know a lot of

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what Paul was doing and thinking in order

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to read this letter aloud in those

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churches at least five house churches

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going, Romans 16 understand be able to

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respond to questions that people are going

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to ask And you can't read Romans in the

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first century without a bunch of questions

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being popped.And she and whoever she

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trained now maybe she didn't read it I in

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she probably did but it doesn't matter

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I've got it in print now so I have to

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believe that she was the reader but she

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would have been perceived as far more than

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a servant of Paul She was an agent of the

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Gospel and an agent of this letter the

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most significant letter that Paul wrote in

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the history of the church a is an apostle

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and some people were so uncomfortable with

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her in an apostle that they changed her

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name from Junia to Junius to make her a

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man.And there is no record in the first

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century of any man being named Junius So

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as a pacifist I often say it's okay to

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kill a nonexistent male Junius It's not

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going to hurt anyone and we've slayed him

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And now we realize that this is a woman

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who was an apostle of significance in the

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early church he was a church planting

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leader in the Pauline Mission and was

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probably sent ahead of Paul with her

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husband andronygus to plant churches.So I

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deal with these texts quite a bit at

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Northern and I think a there's good

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evidence that women actively engaged in

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ministry in the first century My a Nijay

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Gupta has asked new book Tell Her Story

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but he also thinks that Nympha in Colossey

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was a pastor Now we can't prove that but I

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told him I like the conclusion and

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translations make Saddleback difference

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here So if you translate that Junius

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you've just turned a woman into that man

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Absolutely yes.And when we had Nijay on

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the podcast he mentioned was lot of those

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things talking about his latest book Tell

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Her Story And I think that you've said

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this before a many people are saying this

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You know these aren't new things You know

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we as long as we're digging and

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understanding and reading different

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perspectives different theologians maybe

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who if you only a English fine you can

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still find English translations of

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theologians who aren't native English

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speakers We just need different

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perspectives to help us understand because

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language matters and the way we translate

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things matter.And obviously no theologian

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worth their salt would claim that Junia is

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a male at this point like that's been

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debunked heavily and yet somehow people

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are still uncomfortable But all of this

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does matter because it forms how we see

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things And translating that Phoebe was a

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servant as opposed to deacon that's like a

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choice that people make in translation All

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of those things form our thoughts But

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you've not only dealt with that in terms

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of translation of the Bible in a church

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called Tove which is what you and Laura

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were on the last time we were on the

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podcast together.It's how words are formed

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in a church culture to in of flip the

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script or create false narratives how

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words matter in our faith spaces And

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congratulations I think you're in the

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third printing Did I just see Laura post

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something about that Yeah we are in the

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third printing.Yeah.When Laura pestered me

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to write this book and I said I'm not a

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specialist on this an I don't want to

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become someone a people go to for this

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kind of topic because I I'm are New

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Testament professor you know Well 178

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podcasts later I'm I'm now consulted on on

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church culture and we have a second book

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coming out in September called Pivot that

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is about helping churches But yes words

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deeply matter and you nailed it with

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flipping the script Is that when you and I

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know what darvo a I'm surprised by the

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number of people who don't know what darvo

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means after as often as we deal with this

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perpetrators of abuse have an amazing

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capacity to turn the story around a make

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themselves Paul victim of the person that

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they victimized and turn the victim into a

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perpetrator of violence a the

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perpetrator.I think I'd have to slow down

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to say that a but words really do matter

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and those words can wound and they can

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hurt for location long time When you start

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publicly degrading another person's status

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and gifts and personhood it really hurts

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And that's why words matter And we need to

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be careful with the words we use for

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translations because if we don't get it

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right it can hurt people Yeah.Last June I

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mean it was really just maybe a week or

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what few days after the announcement came

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out that Andy Wood was taking over for

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Rick Warren a Saddleback Church And my

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husband and I have spoken out publicly

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about that abuse and some of it the last

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time we recorded together actually I was

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still working at Echo Church but didn't

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know it was within Days of being fired And

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the day your podcast released was the day

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I was fired which is kind of weird Not

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weird actually I don't want to use the

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word weird.I feel like God was using that

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as a sign in a lot of ways to help me

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understand He had walked before me And

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your book really opened my eyes and gave

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me language to understand what at the time

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felt weird or confusing but helped me

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understand what somehow I knew in my body

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before my brain was ready to admit it or

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my mouth was able to say the words was

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that there was apostle, lot of abuse of

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power going on And so my husband and I as

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we were touring around Scotland for our

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25th wedding anniversary which just within

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days of this announcement a we went to

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Church of the Holy Root up in Sterling

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where King James had his coronation I

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guess he was like ten months old when he

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had is a as a baby.But they have under the

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case the have a King James Bible and the

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ladies that give the tour told us his

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mother Mary Queen of Scots was not allowed

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to be there So I already thinking mommy

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issues and poor baby right But also when

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he chose to translate I mean I'd already

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read Dr Beth Allison Burr's book Making a

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Biblical Womanhood.I've read quite a bit

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about this over the years he ways that he

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chose to translate certain words even in

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Genesis I know that, your translation is

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in the New Testament that we're talking

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about but even words in Genesis that were

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chosen about women and Ezra connecto being

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translated like what is a help me I don't

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even know what that means But there's

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these words right A piece of meat.I don't

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know But there's words that have done harm

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to women and men over the years Because of

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the ways that words were chosen And I

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think that it was very obvious to me with

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all the power dynamics of that church and

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all that it meant for a king to be

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involved in translations translation of

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the Bible and choices he made to keep his

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subject subdued How do you feel like the

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role of power dynamics needs to be

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addressed better in our conversations in

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church in general Well yes Now when you

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were talking about pyro dynamics I got to

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thinking there's a Greek word in the New

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Testament Andrea And if I would have

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followed my theory totally consistently

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which I did I never felt I had to but I

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wanted to try as much as possible I would

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have translated this word manly feel manly

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But most translations have the word

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courage.And Beth Alzembar actually wrote

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me She said Scott I think you're the only

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translator of the New Testament who could

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get by with using the word manly there

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because everybody would know you don't

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mean a they think it means But what

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happens if you do translate that as manly

530
00:26:12,370 --> 00:26:16,098
is that it becomes that men are the ones

531
00:26:16,098 --> 00:26:17,906
who have courage and can act manly So a

532
00:26:17,906 --> 00:26:19,734
man becomes the paradigm for the virtue

533
00:26:19,734 --> 00:26:26,258
and women have to succumb to the manliness

534
00:26:26,258 --> 00:26:29,414
of being manly So that right there

535
00:26:29,414 --> 00:26:32,762
illustrates the issue is a power is in the

536
00:26:32,762 --> 00:26:36,602
hands in the United States of men who are

537
00:26:36,602 --> 00:26:38,954
white who are educated tall and handsome

538
00:26:38,954 --> 00:26:44,902
and have a heritage of being able to be in

539
00:26:44,902 --> 00:26:50,266
the groups that are going to make the

540
00:26:50,266 --> 00:26:51,854
decisions.I'm reading Josephus right now a

541
00:26:51,854 --> 00:26:55,074
all of Herod's kids are in the right

542
00:26:55,074 --> 00:26:57,780
family except that Herod is a murderous

543
00:26:57,780 --> 00:27:03,726
father So they're not in the right family

544
00:27:03,726 --> 00:27:08,806
but if you're in the right family So I

545
00:27:08,806 --> 00:27:11,206
believe that power has been culturally

546
00:27:11,206 --> 00:27:12,386
scripted in evangelical churches to favor

547
00:27:12,386 --> 00:27:15,286
men and to favor certain kinds of behavior

548
00:27:15,286 --> 00:27:19,722
that I don't believe are necessarily

549
00:27:19,722 --> 00:27:24,586
manish but have become manish So I'll try

550
00:27:24,586 --> 00:27:29,978
to get out of that circle a little bit and

551
00:27:29,978 --> 00:27:34,494
I think that we can reduce this to four

552
00:27:34,494 --> 00:27:38,110
prepositions about the power dynamic In

553
00:27:38,110 --> 00:27:39,966
perpetrator. church the most dangerous

554
00:27:39,966 --> 00:27:46,386
form of power is power over which is

555
00:27:46,386 --> 00:27:48,626
connected to the idea of domination.And

556
00:27:48,626 --> 00:27:51,074
this is when someone says to you I'm going

557
00:27:51,074 --> 00:27:57,602
to do this because I can and because I

558
00:27:57,602 --> 00:28:03,622
want to and I don't care what it does to

559
00:28:03,622 --> 00:28:06,614
your life And a lot of church leaders do

560
00:28:06,614 --> 00:28:10,266
this when they're put on the spot or when

561
00:28:10,266 --> 00:28:11,706
they're exposed for having done something

562
00:28:11,706 --> 00:28:19,066
wrong rather than the humility to listen

563
00:28:19,066 --> 00:28:21,678
So the power over is the most corrupted or

564
00:28:21,678 --> 00:28:25,226
of power and it is everywhere in the Roman

565
00:28:25,226 --> 00:28:27,806
Empire in the first century And it is

566
00:28:27,806 --> 00:28:30,766
almost everywhere in sports it is almost

567
00:28:30,766 --> 00:28:33,802
everywhere in the business world and there

568
00:28:33,802 --> 00:28:36,974
is way too much of it in the we over a

569
00:28:36,974 --> 00:28:38,446
second characteristic And this is sort of

570
00:28:38,446 --> 00:28:40,322
the neutral understanding of power and

571
00:28:40,322 --> 00:28:42,462
that is the power to influence So it's the

572
00:28:42,462 --> 00:28:44,466
power two instead of power over it's power

573
00:28:44,466 --> 00:28:47,458
two And I have the power right now to turn

574
00:28:47,458 --> 00:28:48,882
off my computer I can do that if I

575
00:28:48,882 --> 00:28:51,158
want.And you have the power to silence me

576
00:28:51,158 --> 00:28:53,826
a to edit this thing so that what I say

577
00:28:53,826 --> 00:28:55,506
can before silenced That's the power to

578
00:28:55,506 --> 00:28:57,686
influence And we all have this in our

579
00:28:57,686 --> 00:28:59,594
families we have this in our neighborhoods

580
00:28:59,594 --> 00:29:05,514
in our churches I have this as a teacher I

581
00:29:05,514 --> 00:29:07,878
have the power to grade A student in a

582
00:29:07,878 --> 00:29:09,306
retaliatory way.I have the power to do

583
00:29:09,306 --> 00:29:11,178
that But I also have the power to

584
00:29:11,178 --> 00:29:13,514
influence students And if I begin to think

585
00:29:13,514 --> 00:29:16,222
in terms of influence it shifts me away

586
00:29:16,222 --> 00:29:18,730
from power over to power to do something

587
00:29:18,730 --> 00:29:20,474
constructive and positive Now I think it

588
00:29:20,474 --> 00:29:23,274
starts to get to be a radical move in

589
00:29:23,274 --> 00:29:26,378
Christianity when the third kind of power

590
00:29:26,378 --> 00:29:27,954
shows up The power with which is the

591
00:29:27,954 --> 00:29:29,826
ability or the willingness on the part of

592
00:29:29,826 --> 00:29:32,866
someone with power to share power with

593
00:29:32,866 --> 00:29:35,154
someone else to work with them in order

594
00:29:35,154 --> 00:29:37,398
that the can come up with a mutually

595
00:29:37,398 --> 00:29:39,126
agreeable product or result or platform or

596
00:29:39,126 --> 00:29:41,254
speech or book.And when I wrote the book

597
00:29:41,254 --> 00:29:44,774
on Revelation with Cody Matchett we work

598
00:29:44,774 --> 00:29:46,306
together and sometimes he'd write

599
00:29:46,306 --> 00:29:47,974
something and I'd think okay that's Cody's

600
00:29:47,974 --> 00:29:50,658
Mind and he's a co author He gets to say

601
00:29:50,658 --> 00:29:51,898
things like this And I wouldn't say it

602
00:29:51,898 --> 00:29:55,402
quite the same ways but I also say things

603
00:29:55,402 --> 00:29:58,826
that he wouldn't say Now the power there

604
00:29:58,826 --> 00:30:00,246
was asymmetrical because well I'm almost

605
00:30:00,246 --> 00:30:01,818
70 and he's probably about, 30 or

606
00:30:01,818 --> 00:30:04,766
something like that or 35 and he doesn't

607
00:30:04,766 --> 00:30:07,694
have Ezra PhD And he doesn't have a job

608
00:30:07,694 --> 00:30:09,342
like that of a professor but he's that

609
00:30:09,342 --> 00:30:11,758
very talented young man.So that's the

610
00:30:11,758 --> 00:30:14,014
power with And I think there's a lot of

611
00:30:14,014 --> 00:30:16,754
power with where Paul calls so many people

612
00:30:16,754 --> 00:30:18,754
his coworkers and the Greek word sun ergos

613
00:30:18,754 --> 00:30:21,346
that words sun at the beginning is this it

614
00:30:21,346 --> 00:30:23,698
He worked with Paul They worked with Paul

615
00:30:23,698 --> 00:30:27,218
They weren't under Paul they worked with

616
00:30:27,218 --> 00:30:28,838
him.Now he seemed to be the boss in some

617
00:30:28,838 --> 00:30:31,334
ways but that is a really dynamic word in

618
00:30:31,334 --> 00:30:34,006
Paul And the final one is power four So

619
00:30:34,006 --> 00:30:37,738
power over power two power with and power

620
00:30:37,738 --> 00:30:42,140
four And that is to use our power for the

621
00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:47,834
good of someone else Jesus said that he

622
00:30:47,834 --> 00:30:52,574
did not come to be served but to serve and

623
00:30:52,574 --> 00:30:57,294
to give his life Testament, ransom for

624
00:30:57,294 --> 00:31:01,630
many.It is when we take our platforms our

625
00:31:01,630 --> 00:31:03,886
power our circumscribed authority and hand

626
00:31:03,886 --> 00:31:05,506
it over to someone else to use for their

627
00:31:05,506 --> 00:31:08,034
giftedness and for what they can bring to

628
00:31:08,034 --> 00:31:13,230
the discussion or that they can contribute

629
00:31:13,230 --> 00:31:17,054
That's where the power dynamic in churches

630
00:31:17,054 --> 00:31:18,546
needs to start Moving away from power over

631
00:31:18,546 --> 00:31:20,610
and away from the neutral sense of power

632
00:31:20,610 --> 00:31:22,326
too toward a more Christian sense of

633
00:31:22,326 --> 00:31:25,126
sharing power and using our power The good

634
00:31:25,126 --> 00:31:27,834
of other people Yes if you're a leader of

635
00:31:27,834 --> 00:31:29,686
what you have responsibility.You have

636
00:31:29,686 --> 00:31:32,154
responsibility to make decisions and not

637
00:31:32,154 --> 00:31:36,026
everybody's going to agree with that And

638
00:31:36,026 --> 00:31:38,666
we don't always have to share the decision

639
00:31:38,666 --> 00:31:41,566
time Sometimes that I'm paradigm professor

640
00:31:41,566 --> 00:31:47,150
and I have to make a decision about the

641
00:31:47,150 --> 00:31:53,906
this student is going to get this grade or

642
00:31:53,906 --> 00:31:57,106
that grade And I don't call the student in

643
00:31:57,106 --> 00:32:02,722
to say now what grade would you like to

644
00:32:02,722 --> 00:32:08,440
have It's not tall shared discussion.But

645
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,760
by and a Christians are so unattached to

646
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,438
power over that they favor sharing power

647
00:32:14,438 --> 00:32:17,766
and using the power for the good of

648
00:32:17,766 --> 00:32:21,594
another And that's where I think churches

649
00:32:21,594 --> 00:32:23,446
can really make family, change.Yeah the

650
00:32:23,446 --> 00:32:25,626
power of giving power away I mean that's

651
00:32:25,626 --> 00:32:28,058
in of Jesus in a nutshell If we could just

652
00:32:28,058 --> 00:32:33,530
summarize his life and what he was doing

653
00:32:33,530 --> 00:32:38,094
and understand the pattern of how he was

654
00:32:38,094 --> 00:32:40,302
interacting with women and people who were

655
00:32:40,302 --> 00:32:44,050
marginalized and being intentional in that

656
00:32:44,050 --> 00:32:47,826
way And I just want to say I've seen you

657
00:32:47,826 --> 00:32:51,554
do that I mean you had definitely done

658
00:32:51,554 --> 00:32:55,330
that with me You didn't know me from

659
00:32:55,330 --> 00:32:59,510
anyone else other than power had a a

660
00:32:59,510 --> 00:33:05,590
interview before but you walked with me

661
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:07,766
behind the scenes emails back and forth

662
00:33:07,766 --> 00:33:12,234
and praying for me and my family when we

663
00:33:12,234 --> 00:33:13,722
went through a difficult time calling out

664
00:33:13,722 --> 00:33:16,506
spiritual abuse that we ourselves had

665
00:33:16,506 --> 00:33:18,666
faced at the and of a megachurch pastor

666
00:33:18,666 --> 00:33:22,398
who ended up a year later getting even

667
00:33:22,398 --> 00:33:24,814
more power over more people.And at this

668
00:33:24,814 --> 00:33:27,774
point we have so many mutual friends that

669
00:33:27,774 --> 00:33:30,446
have also walked through things and helped

670
00:33:30,446 --> 00:33:34,626
us But just thank you for using your power

671
00:33:34,626 --> 00:33:38,260
in this way And I know that recently

672
00:33:38,260 --> 00:33:41,794
there's been a lot going on at the

673
00:33:41,794 --> 00:33:47,510
Seminary too And just by being a professor

674
00:33:47,510 --> 00:33:50,998
there there's a lot of fallout when

675
00:33:50,998 --> 00:33:53,286
something as big as a president being

676
00:33:53,286 --> 00:33:55,974
asked to step down happens And so you're

677
00:33:55,974 --> 00:33:58,506
in a space where it's happening in real

678
00:33:58,506 --> 00:34:00,874
time.At your seminary you've walked

679
00:34:00,874 --> 00:34:02,378
through multiple situations and churches

680
00:34:02,378 --> 00:34:06,586
with Willow Creek and the you've had more

681
00:34:06,586 --> 00:34:10,986
than one round with this So for people who

682
00:34:10,986 --> 00:34:13,280
are listening what do you tell someone who

683
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,166
is either experiencing spiritual abuse or

684
00:34:15,166 --> 00:34:17,134
has someone they know that is experiencing

685
00:34:17,134 --> 00:34:19,886
it What is some of the first piece of

686
00:34:19,886 --> 00:34:25,098
advice you would give someone as they're

687
00:34:25,098 --> 00:34:28,066
just realizing that That's a lot.I learned

688
00:34:28,066 --> 00:34:29,666
something from Diane Langberg and I don't

689
00:34:29,666 --> 00:34:31,874
remember if it was in the conversation we

690
00:34:31,874 --> 00:34:34,402
had with her on the blog or on the podcast

691
00:34:34,402 --> 00:34:38,534
or just in a book but basically she said

692
00:34:38,534 --> 00:34:40,342
don't go public I'm going to summarize

693
00:34:40,342 --> 00:34:42,722
this Don't go public until you're

694
00:34:42,722 --> 00:34:45,238
influence a healthy enough place to take

695
00:34:45,238 --> 00:34:48,602
what happens when you do go public And

696
00:34:48,602 --> 00:34:52,214
when she said that I thought wow that is

697
00:34:52,214 --> 00:34:55,914
so true because Lori you've experienced

698
00:34:55,914 --> 00:34:57,500
this.I haven't experienced this really

699
00:34:57,500 --> 00:35:01,558
other a students don't like things that

700
00:35:01,558 --> 00:35:03,678
you say and people criticize you here and

701
00:35:03,678 --> 00:35:07,290
there on the Internet stuff I mean that's

702
00:35:07,290 --> 00:35:10,030
part of the game that I play But most

703
00:35:10,030 --> 00:35:13,026
people who call out spiritual abuse suffer

704
00:35:13,026 --> 00:35:16,114
more from the secondary trauma of people

705
00:35:16,114 --> 00:35:21,618
going after them a than they do from the

706
00:35:21,618 --> 00:35:26,100
initial trauma itself And this is

707
00:35:26,100 --> 00:35:28,886
something that Chris and I and Laura have

708
00:35:28,886 --> 00:35:32,120
advised people over and over and over

709
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,714
We're dealing right now with a young woman

710
00:35:35,714 --> 00:35:38,086
who has called out a a when she first

711
00:35:38,086 --> 00:35:41,126
wrote me I said well you need to

712
00:35:41,126 --> 00:35:42,810
understand what's going to happen when you

713
00:35:42,810 --> 00:35:45,770
go public with this is people are going to

714
00:35:45,770 --> 00:35:49,894
hate you You're going to lose your friends

715
00:35:49,894 --> 00:35:52,266
you could lose your job at the school

716
00:35:52,266 --> 00:35:54,986
where you are It's going to be difficult

717
00:35:54,986 --> 00:35:57,038
It's going to be very difficult So I would

718
00:35:57,038 --> 00:35:59,806
say first of all get yourself in a

719
00:35:59,806 --> 00:36:03,278
position of being healthy enough to

720
00:36:03,278 --> 00:36:05,682
realize that it's going to come at you in

721
00:36:05,682 --> 00:36:09,026
an even more ferocious way because you've

722
00:36:09,026 --> 00:36:12,226
gone public than because you originally

723
00:36:12,226 --> 00:36:14,930
went public.The second thing is surround

724
00:36:14,930 --> 00:36:16,374
yourself with friends who completely

725
00:36:16,374 --> 00:36:20,102
understand your story and who can be your

726
00:36:20,102 --> 00:36:23,046
advocates and guides as you go through

727
00:36:23,046 --> 00:36:24,758
these things because without that I don't

728
00:36:24,758 --> 00:36:26,310
think most people could survive the

729
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:30,122
scrutiny and the intensity of the blowback

730
00:36:30,122 --> 00:36:35,098
And then this is something that I don't

731
00:36:35,098 --> 00:36:38,730
think all the traumatized people in the

732
00:36:38,730 --> 00:36:41,606
world would agree with But because I teach

733
00:36:41,606 --> 00:36:46,542
at a school I think I lean a little bit in

734
00:36:46,542 --> 00:36:48,382
this direction Follow the protocols or the

735
00:36:48,382 --> 00:36:50,046
guidelines of the school or your

736
00:36:50,046 --> 00:36:52,554
institution for let's say reporting abuse

737
00:36:52,554 --> 00:36:57,922
as much as possible The first thing to do

738
00:36:57,922 --> 00:37:02,722
is don't go to Twitter.People who go to

739
00:37:02,722 --> 00:37:05,878
Twitter first are going to jeopardize the

740
00:37:05,878 --> 00:37:08,486
situation more than they're actually going

741
00:37:08,486 --> 00:37:12,034
to help it But like if your school or your

742
00:37:12,034 --> 00:37:15,250
church has a whistleblower policy follow

743
00:37:15,250 --> 00:37:18,774
it Now most don't most don't want this

744
00:37:18,774 --> 00:37:22,022
because it creates a sense of independent

745
00:37:22,022 --> 00:37:25,638
judgment that the people in power don't

746
00:37:25,638 --> 00:37:30,206
want But there could be a human resources

747
00:37:30,206 --> 00:37:33,246
department that you could report to There

748
00:37:33,246 --> 00:37:40,206
could be some kind of committee that you

749
00:37:40,206 --> 00:37:43,426
could report to but the closer they are to

750
00:37:43,426 --> 00:37:45,346
the people who are the perpetrators or the

751
00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:49,540
ones that you're concerned about it really

752
00:37:49,540 --> 00:37:52,642
jeopardizes honesty and truthfulness.So I

753
00:37:52,642 --> 00:37:55,202
would say follow the pattern And then I

754
00:37:55,202 --> 00:37:57,426
would say fourth you're going to have to

755
00:37:57,426 --> 00:38:00,806
develop a powerful sense of patience and

756
00:38:00,806 --> 00:38:02,054
resilience because it's not going to

757
00:38:02,054 --> 00:38:05,266
happen overnight and it's going to be one

758
00:38:05,266 --> 00:38:07,866
frustrating decision a another It can go

759
00:38:07,866 --> 00:38:14,540
on for years for so people to deal with

760
00:38:14,540 --> 00:38:18,954
these situations and you could lose your

761
00:38:18,954 --> 00:38:21,226
job you could lose your friends you could

762
00:38:21,226 --> 00:38:23,454
lose your church your school your

763
00:38:23,454 --> 00:38:29,822
workplace but I would say just don't go

764
00:38:29,822 --> 00:38:32,526
giving it thinking that I'm going to go in

765
00:38:32,526 --> 00:38:35,214
I'm going to tell this deacon and this

766
00:38:35,214 --> 00:38:37,994
deacon and I or this elder and I are going

767
00:38:37,994 --> 00:38:40,514
to go and talk to pastor We're going to

768
00:38:40,514 --> 00:38:42,206
confront the pastor.He's going to repent

769
00:38:42,206 --> 00:38:43,218
and change Okay In the first year that

770
00:38:43,218 --> 00:38:44,786
Laura and I've wrote our book church

771
00:38:44,786 --> 00:38:46,066
Called Tove we heard for 1516 months

772
00:38:46,066 --> 00:38:48,594
between three and five stories a week Okay

773
00:38:48,594 --> 00:38:51,126
I know I don't remember a story where a

774
00:38:51,126 --> 00:38:53,154
person went in and confronted the pastor

775
00:38:53,154 --> 00:38:55,526
and the pastor repented and changed and

776
00:38:55,526 --> 00:38:56,806
for and apologized and made the situation

777
00:38:56,806 --> 00:38:59,154
right I don't remember that happening now

778
00:38:59,154 --> 00:39:02,074
I think there are some pastors who say the

779
00:39:02,074 --> 00:39:04,026
did but a megachurch bunch of baloney in

780
00:39:04,026 --> 00:39:07,082
most cases So you're just going to have to

781
00:39:07,082 --> 00:39:08,986
deal with setbacks blowbacks pushbacks and

782
00:39:08,986 --> 00:39:10,726
you're going to have to have patience and

783
00:39:10,726 --> 00:39:13,306
it's going to be harder than the original

784
00:39:13,306 --> 00:39:14,814
abuse was.Yeah for most people that's true

785
00:39:14,814 --> 00:39:17,278
in our story We obviously called it out We

786
00:39:17,278 --> 00:39:19,166
got fired for that It was retaliation one

787
00:39:19,166 --> 00:39:22,106
of the most illegal forms in California

788
00:39:22,106 --> 00:39:23,770
Even now.It's interesting because I work

789
00:39:23,770 --> 00:39:26,098
something tech and leadership a

790
00:39:26,098 --> 00:39:28,980
development for asked pretty large global

791
00:39:28,980 --> 00:39:31,966
tech company And so I'm a calls with

792
00:39:31,966 --> 00:39:34,046
people happening the UK about to travel

793
00:39:34,046 --> 00:39:36,614
there soon And we have locations in Taiwan

794
00:39:36,614 --> 00:39:39,398
and China It's very diverse and everything

795
00:39:39,398 --> 00:39:42,166
but we are very strong in our company on a

796
00:39:42,166 --> 00:39:45,878
no retaliation policy Even with our survey

797
00:39:45,878 --> 00:39:50,154
we did we don't even allow the people to

798
00:39:50,154 --> 00:39:53,226
see the comments that might retaliate

799
00:39:53,226 --> 00:39:55,226
against them because we want people to

800
00:39:55,226 --> 00:39:57,034
feel free to share any power dynamic that

801
00:39:57,034 --> 00:40:04,954
might be inappropriate.And we a to watch

802
00:40:04,954 --> 00:40:09,166
these trainings where you can't retaliate

803
00:40:09,166 --> 00:40:10,286
by demoting someone giving them less work

804
00:40:10,286 --> 00:40:12,234
And the most extreme version of that would

805
00:40:12,234 --> 00:40:14,306
be to fire someone for saying something

806
00:40:14,306 --> 00:40:20,770
And yet our church got away with it That

807
00:40:20,770 --> 00:40:23,650
church is still going The person who did

808
00:40:23,650 --> 00:40:25,686
that is now in a church.And the other

809
00:40:25,686 --> 00:40:28,040
abuser of these two guys is now leading

810
00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:30,694
one of the largest evangelical churches in

811
00:40:30,694 --> 00:40:35,954
the US Here in California in Saddleback

812
00:40:35,954 --> 00:40:41,174
And it's interesting how retaliation just

813
00:40:41,174 --> 00:40:44,282
gets so glossed over And it's sad because

814
00:40:44,282 --> 00:40:46,986
as we're talking About the scripture and

815
00:40:46,986 --> 00:40:48,262
talking about how.Important words are it's

816
00:40:48,262 --> 00:40:49,882
so important to be good listeners and care

817
00:40:49,882 --> 00:40:54,494
for one Another in the church And I just

818
00:40:54,494 --> 00:41:03,202
want to say thank you for taking the time

819
00:41:03,202 --> 00:41:06,434
to dig deep into Greek words culture and

820
00:41:06,434 --> 00:41:10,386
help us exegeute this trauma little bit

821
00:41:10,386 --> 00:41:12,946
better by helping it sound like something

822
00:41:12,946 --> 00:41:15,766
less familiar in advised way that can help

823
00:41:15,766 --> 00:41:17,782
us really dig deeper I think so often

824
00:41:17,782 --> 00:41:23,640
people don't dig deep and that's why abuse

825
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,534
gets covered up That's why power dynamics

826
00:41:26,534 --> 00:41:28,598
stay because we.Just take things at face

827
00:41:28,598 --> 00:41:30,842
value And you're asking us to just go a

828
00:41:30,842 --> 00:41:32,666
little deeper even with the scriptures

829
00:41:32,666 --> 00:41:35,386
that we read So thank your for this work I

830
00:41:35,386 --> 00:41:39,498
know it must have taken many Hours to make

831
00:41:39,498 --> 00:41:41,454
and so we're so.Grateful for your work on

832
00:41:41,454 --> 00:41:45,280
this but It'S so difficult to go public

833
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,254
because there's just clouds of power

834
00:41:48,254 --> 00:41:51,454
against you all the time when you when you

835
00:41:51,454 --> 00:41:55,460
start doing it and it's you can study and

836
00:41:55,460 --> 00:41:59,074
you can figure out and you say you know

837
00:41:59,074 --> 00:42:03,666
that was abuse And they'll say no it was

838
00:42:03,666 --> 00:42:07,094
leadership And they have the power to be

839
00:42:07,094 --> 00:42:11,014
able to narrate the story And you as a

840
00:42:11,014 --> 00:42:14,774
victim whoever we're talking about doesn't

841
00:42:14,774 --> 00:42:16,790
have the power to narrate that

842
00:42:16,790 --> 00:42:20,186
story.Someone else gets to tell the story

843
00:42:20,186 --> 00:42:25,962
and they get to gloss over it and they use

844
00:42:25,962 --> 00:42:28,314
their words to victimize

845
00:42:28,314 --> 00:42:29,322
revictimize.Clearly for me the most

846
00:42:29,322 --> 00:42:31,920
demanding and difficult thing I done in my

847
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,958
entire life working in the church is to

848
00:42:34,958 --> 00:42:38,394
realize how difficult it is for lots of

849
00:42:38,394 --> 00:42:41,998
church leaders and pastors simply to admit

850
00:42:41,998 --> 00:42:45,760
the truth.So sad because the truth sets us

851
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:47,726
free Isn't that the whole thing Yeah

852
00:42:47,726 --> 00:42:50,926
exactly Well thank you so much for your

853
00:42:50,926 --> 00:42:54,254
work I do want to ask you to.Hang out than

854
00:42:54,254 --> 00:42:55,942
little bit longer for our patreon

855
00:42:55,942 --> 00:42:58,338
supporters to do one more question with

856
00:42:58,338 --> 00:43:01,414
them but we'll go ahead And finish out

857
00:43:01,414 --> 00:43:04,838
this interview If you're not in our

858
00:43:04,838 --> 00:43:07,946
patreon community a join But I just want

859
00:43:07,946 --> 00:43:10,346
to thank you for joining us today Scott

860
00:43:10,346 --> 00:43:13,306
You are just not only department scholar

861
00:43:13,306 --> 00:43:18,554
that we can trust because we know that

862
00:43:18,554 --> 00:43:20,766
you're going to dig into the Greek words

863
00:43:20,766 --> 00:43:23,134
and help us understand them.But we also

864
00:43:23,134 --> 00:43:24,958
know you as a person in the survivor

865
00:43:24,958 --> 00:43:28,522
community as somebody who does actually

866
00:43:28,522 --> 00:43:32,014
pastoral care very well and caring for us

867
00:43:32,014 --> 00:43:35,138
I just say thank you on behalf of all of

868
00:43:35,138 --> 00:43:38,254
us in the survivor community a for me and

869
00:43:38,254 --> 00:43:42,130
my family And all that you've done for us

870
00:43:42,130 --> 00:43:47,074
To pray for us and engage with Us

871
00:43:47,074 --> 00:43:51,670
throughout the past couple of years.Well

872
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:54,502
thank you Great to see you again Great to

873
00:43:54,502 --> 00:43:59,146
see you too Scott Take care Bye undefined

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1385
00:56:25,158 --> 00:56:26,598
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1386
00:56:26,598 --> 00:56:27,862
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1387
00:56:27,862 --> 00:56:28,854
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