April 11, 2025

TRAINER'S EYE #148 - "Blindfolded Munchlax Masters Metronome" ft. Bootlegflanderz

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Bootlegflanders, a visually impaired Pokémon Trainer, shares how he’s navigated the Pokémon world with creativity, resilience, and heart. From his first battles in Pokemon LeafGreen and Pokémon Stadium to adapting to the challenges of modern games like Pokemon Sword and Shield, Bootlegflanders opens up about what the franchise means to him. He also dives into his passion for competitive battling and reflects on how important accessibility is for fans with disabilities. This is a powerful, inspiring conversation about inclusion, connection, and the magic of playing your own way.

Listen now to discover how one Pokémon Trainer is breaking barriers, reshaping expectations, and showing that Pokemon is for everyone.

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I am Bootleg Flanders, and this is my Pokemon story.

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Welcome to as the Pokemon Turns, where we interview people about their experience with Pokemon.

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My name is David Hernandez.

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I'm joined by a Pokemon trainer who is also visually impaired here to share his story, not only with Pokemon, but also just living with disability itself.

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Bootleg Flanders.

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Welcome to as the Poker Ball Turn.

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Thanks buddy.

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I'm really glad to be here.

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It's an honor to be on this show.

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Absolutely.

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And special shout out to Little Red Rupert who made this happen.

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She knew of you.

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She knew of me, and she was like, y'all need to get to know each other.

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So Thank you.

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Little Red Rupert, if you're listening to her, if y'all would listen to this pod, uh, this podcast, make sure to check out her channel.

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She's the one who made this happen, and

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I.

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to really dive into my guest today.

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Big shout outer.

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Now Flanders, there's a lot that we could dive into.

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you have a very unique, I guess, skillset, but one thing you know, I love to dive in with each of my guests.

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Mm-hmm.

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very soft, uh, spot of Okie-dokie Flanders from The Simpsons.

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Obviously it's

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Yeah.

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what's the bootleg like, why Bootleg and Flanders?

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So the story behind it is funny.

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It started with, I think I needed a gamer tag for, I think I was trying to play Fortnite with my siblings or something.

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and the look I have and the personality I have like.

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I think it was my sister or my brother said, you're like a bootleg version of Flanders.

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'cause like the glass is the blind part in that.

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And like, but I have all the positive traits but just, you know, bootleg.

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And I thought that was hilarious and I kind of ran with it.

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I had to change the spelling from an S to a Z so I could get like my name on the socials.

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And honestly, I think it was a typo the first time I wrote it.

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So we went with it.

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Wow.

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Do you have any regrets or you kind of, owned it at this point?

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regrets?

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None, honestly.

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Like, I like the name.

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It's catchy, it's fun.

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Would I change it?

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No.

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'cause I can't really think of what I would change it to.

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And it's nice to have like a screen name and you get to be yourself while also being like a screen name and that, so internet safety, you know.

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when it comes to your experience with Pokemon, you know, Simpsons and Pokemon have been going back and forth for the longest, show ever.

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your first experience with the Pokemon franchise?

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Where does this all start?

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Okay.

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So way, way back when I would've been a wee oh boy.

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But I think the first time I played a Pokemon game, I can't remember how old I was.

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But my older brother, his friend, had leaf green.

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And so he let my brother borrow it and then by extension I played it a bit here and there.

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And cause the game Boy screens are small.

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You can't really see so much what you're doing.

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You kind of get used to like memorizing the clicks or Oh, the sounds of things and you're able to play it.

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And I had so much fun'cause the Pokemon, they're cool designs in that.

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And the game was entertaining.

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It was also turn based.

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So if I had to take time to just sit and figure it out or look or whatever, I could also, then when we got the Game Boy player thing for uh.

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Game Cube, so you could put your things up on the TV screen.

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That made it way cooler, honestly.

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cause then I could actually see what I'm doing.

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Yes.

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That's what I enjoyed most from the Game Boy Player.

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I know it's like a, I guess a pricey item nowadays, but I was so excited when they debuted that back in Gen three.

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I never played my Game Boy events after that.

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I always just plugged in my game Cube, plugged in my game, and that's how I played Pokemon Gen three.

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Ruby Sapphire Hoenn.

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Then also Fire Leaf Green was just on the TV and it was perfect.

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I didn't have, I could sit back.

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I had my wireless controller and I was just going to town.

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Same here.

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It was the the Game Boy player, even for like non Pokemon games.

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cause like I loved playing like the games and that, but it's.

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Difficult'cause even with like some of the different machines or technologies you can get to help you see better when you're blind, it's not always nice.

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Like one of the things you can put the little game boy under a screen, it kind of projects it up onto like a monitor, but that requires a lot of light shooting at the screen, which'cause of how screens are, that's glare that's coming back at you.

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Whereas Game Boy player, It's no different than if you pop a game into your game Cube.

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It's on that big screen.

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There isn't a lot of glare or anything, and you can enjoy.

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Now you've alluded to that you relied on clicks, you relied on sounds.

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So I'm assuming that you were already visually impaired at the time, Pokemon debuted,

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Yes, I have been, blind since birth.

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Visually impaired, blind, whichever word people prefer.

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I am like past legally blind and I'd argue much closer to completely, but whichever word suits people better.

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I just use blind'cause it works.

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I don't take offense either way.

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But yeah, I've had issues with blindness since birth pretty much.

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Okay.

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I guess to give some insight, and I don't know if you can provide that.

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We'll try our best.

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Sure.

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does it mean to be your levels of blindness?

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So this is a little tricky, but I will do my best to explain.

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distance for me is really.

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Bad.

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Like say you're standing at the foot of your driveway or somewhere like on the sidewalk, the curb to the road kind of thing.

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There's a good chance that I'm not gonna see the other side of the road.

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Now, maybe with the right contrast and stuff I could see, oh, there's like grayish beige everywhere.

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But somebody has like.

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I don't know, like a dark red, toboggan or something sitting on their driveway.

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Maybe I'll, that'll stand out'cause it's color in that.

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But I have very short sight and that's just one of the things with it.

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It's also tricky to explain'cause it's changed over the years.

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where I'm at currently, and, and I apologize in advance to people if this is a little bit sad, but, as it stands right now, my right eye has what they call a calcium band.

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So like, think like the fog on a bathroom mirror or like the frosting you can put on windows, like, or that happens when it's really cold out.

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so like I can see color and I can see some motion, but everything is really, really foggy.

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And I hope to eventually have that calcium removed so then I can see how much I can see again.

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cause there was a point in time where I didn't have that.

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And for example, with the right equipment, I could read text, I could like, not so much see facial expressions, but like if I had a picture and I blew it up, I could see the facial expressions in a picture and stuff like that.

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Mm-hmm.

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That's that one, the, the left eye.

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However, it happened suddenly, and I still don't quite understand it, but my retina detached in the left eye.

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And despite our best efforts and many, many surgeries, more than I'd like to admit, the retina cannot fully reattach.

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So like I can see in the left eye, I don't see anything, but I do see light, so like it's not like you could put a flashlight and see the flashlight moving around in your eye.

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It's my eyes, nerves and that work, but it just doesn't process light.

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So like if it's dark out, but I see like a yellow street light.

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I might get a yellow in my eye for the next, I don't know how long, even if we walk past it or something.

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It's very tricky to explain, but there's sort of where I'm at, if that makes sense.

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For blindness.

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it sounds like to me, you can see, like I'll say blurs of color and I'll be very generous on that to where you'll see like a quick of light.

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Um, you say use the street light, so you see like maybe a little sharpness of yellow.

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Maybe if you see a street light, you see maybe a little sharpness of red and green, but that's about it.

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Otherwise, the world's completely blurry or black, I assume, depending on what time of day it is.

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Yeah, that, that's about right.

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Especially with the left eye.

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It's like that thumb before the retina thing in that I still saw mostly like color in that, but I could see motion, I could sort of read and stuff.

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It's, it's a very complicated thing to try and explain, but for example, if I take the calcium off the right eye.

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It will go from just like a blur with some motion and colors in that to maybe, oh, I still see colors'cause contrast regardless of before or now has been very important to whether I can see stuff or not.

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but if I remove say that blurriness, then I will be able to then see better.

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But yeah, it's mostly I see color and shapes.

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And like some motion in that.

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Now, when it came to you playing the Pokemon Games, you know, you're already visually impaired at that point, you can't see, so it sounds like you're relying on, sounds like when you hear the barrier and that sound to get around, would you also have like friends help you?

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Like what was that experience?

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Trying to

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Um.

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games for Leaf Green.

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So I would have like people help me for some of it, but also one of the things that was nice when you put it up on the Game Boy player is like, if you think let's go to just even like the, the first route when you go from Pallet Town to.

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Vermilion city I think it is, or Veridian city.

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Yes.

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there's like the light green is grass.

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There's that bright yellow pathway you can walk on.

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And then the dark green is the tall grass with wild Pokemon.

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So you can kind of, oh, I can follow the yellow path.

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Which seems like a road and you can get there even if I don't always know exactly where my character is.

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But those games kind of put your character in the center.

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It works and yeah, you do follow like, oh, I bumped into something, you hear the bump noise and then you try to move left right up or to get around it and keep going.

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So a lot of wall hugging.

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between that and getting friends and siblings to help, that is how I navigated the games.

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That's crazy'cause it's a different world to where you don't get to really see the interaction with the characters at all.

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I'm assuming you're pressing a through any of the text and.

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know, you're trying to walk through the, different ways through all the different mazes puzzles and all that.

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How did you, I guess,

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Yes.

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which Pokemon you liked and which ones you didn't?

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I.

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So again, like with the thing, like the Game Boy player and you can blow up the images and stuff like that.

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I looked at some of the Pokemon, like that looked cool and that, and also the Cry kind of made a difference'cause right from a young age, I liked imitating the little cries in that.

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Just like when they had them in Pokemon Stadium, the cries were different

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Mm-hmm.

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the motions.

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I'm like, this is cool.

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but.

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Going through like text in that again, like if I could blow it up with tools or something, I could read it.

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Oh,

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It took me a long time, but it would be like if I put it, for example, on the Game Boy player and then I grab like a little hand magnifier thing, make maximize it by like 28 times or 38 times the normal size, and then I can maybe read it kind of deal.

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I'm not exactly sure on the numbers for the magnification, I'll be honest.

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It's been so long.

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and some of the Pokemon, like in leaf green that were just.

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Cool in that I like, like I liked Bulbasaur.

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Bulbasaur had the cool cry in that and also bulb boor, whether it was in the Pokemon stadium or in leaf green.

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even though it was all green, there was kind of like contrast.

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It's almost like mint green kind of body or turquoise green and then like that dark and also very bright green little seed on its back.

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I'm like, this is cool to me.

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And I kind of ran with it.

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So you were still able to make the connection with Pokemon visually, but although I guess it wasn't as important than it was against the cries and the audio side of it.

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Correct.

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Like visually, I still could do stuff.

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It's just, it was a lot more, um, reliant on like the sound and other stuff.

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That's also why Chinese and that was that.

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That's a whole story.

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It's tricky with those.

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I like certain ones more.

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Just because they have like the contrast or they stand out.

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Hmm.

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you, can you gimme like an example of just some shining Pokemon you, I guess enjoy.

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So, a good example for me, for a shiny Pokemon one that I enjoy, you take Scizor, which is normally like a maybe burgundy, red kind of deal like that, more dark, but not like a bold red.

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And then you make it like candy apple green.

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That is a huge contrast and also it's.

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It's striking and it looks nice to me.

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And it's that big kind of color change for Shinies that I like more than we took a blue and we made it like one shade lighter.

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No shade to those people might like those, but for me, I don't like, look at the gar chomp line.

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I can't actually tell the difference between the shiny and the other one.

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Even if I put them side by side, I, it doesn't register to me and that's sad.

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I think one thing I love is how you use descriptions for the Pokemon, for example, Scizor.

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Instead of saying, oh, it's a red bug, use burgundy.

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Which is a very more different shade that, you know, most people would describe it, or, I mean, at least I would.

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But then you said instead of glow in the dark bug, you said, um, what was it?

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Shoot, you had a good one.

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Uh,

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apple Green.

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apple green.

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That's such a very powerful visual for somebody who doesn't even have that much.

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You know, visual, I guess, strengths to begin with.

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it seems like you have more appreciation for what you can see despite how limited it is.

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Yeah.

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It's also like when trying to explain things like, sometimes it'll be like, oh, can you see reds?

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Can you see greens?

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Can you see yellows?

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It's like, yes, but it, it, a contrast is big, but also it's like, those, I don't know what the name for it is, if it's pastel or not, but some of those colors where it's like a washed out yellow or like they put a, like a whiteish yellow.

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Those kind of more faded or washed out colors.

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Those to me sometimes that might just register as white, so I don't really look at those.

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And if people ask, oh, can you see this is red, this is that, it's, it depends on the red, like a burgundy or like a, a darker bold red, or even like the really bright fire engine red.

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Yes, with the right thing on the background and stuff, but that's where I try to get more elaborate in describing it.

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'cause sometimes even when you're at hospitals and that, and they try to be like, okay, we're gonna do like the visual tests and that I have to explain contrast can be important and with colors and that.

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It all depends on lighting and stuff like that.

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So I've gotten very good at articulating it as best I can.

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Mm-hmm.

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My sister and my mom and my brother and even friends, they help me sometimes'cause I'm like, I see this red, I don't see this.

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Or what is the name for this shade of this color?

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And they help me out with that.

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So then I can articulate better.

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Now, when it came to Pokemon, you know, you started with Leaf Green, where'd you go from there?

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The way that we ended up getting the games, we had leaf green, and then eventually my mom got Pokemon Stadium game for the Nintendo 64.

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And that one, again, it was on a big screen.

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It was lots of fun.

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the cries were different.

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And even, not even just the visuals for like the animations, like when you see like, oh, they got hit with fire blasts.

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So then like they get that orangy color and you see a little bit of like smoke or steam come off them.

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It's the sounds that went with it.

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Like in game bubble and bubble beam and leaf green sounds one way, but then in Pokemon Stadium, they took like the blowing bubble noise and added almost like a, it's raining down or being fired at you, like out of a cartoon gun or something.

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I like, I like the sounds, I like the colors, I like the, the, the, everything that went with it.

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It was immersive

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I think with Bubble Beam,

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there.

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You're good.

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like almost, uh, like a tempo.

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It started high then go, woo.

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Yeah.

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'cause it goes up, down, up, down, kind of like Aurora Beam did in the Pokemon Stadium games.

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And then ice beam I think had like back and forth.

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High pitch.

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High pitch,

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Do, do you want me to try and imitate it?

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I can't even imitate that, but you know what I'm talking about though, right?

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Like, there, there's, there's the, the, the best way I can do for ice beam and Yeah.

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Versus in game it was just a simple like.

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And then it did like the, the sound of almost like icicles falling, which was cool still.

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But it's the fact that they made it so different, yet you knew exactly this is ice.

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Even if you didn't know it was ice beam, it's like, oh, that's ice, that's ice.

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Yes.

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And I think that's something that's kind of missing even with the more current games, is that that small detail that makes it distinct from a fire attack to a fighting attack.

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One, you know, example, seismic toss or csic toss is what the announcer would

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Yes.

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It would go in a circle and you would hear a circle sound almost.

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And it's just that small little detail.

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You could tell it's a fighting move compared to, you wouldn't hear that in like a grass but you know the other different types of moves that are out there.

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And then like in some of the Pokemon games, when you used the seismic toss, the Pokemon went up into the air and it did like the woo, and then.

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So would you do like all

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Was good.

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and I guess all the cups in Pokemon Stadium, like how deep did you, how

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Um,

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Pokemon Stadium?

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when I got a chance to, I played, I don't remember if I ever finished all the cups.

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I know finishing Prime Cup was difficult'cause Mew with thunder wave was annoying.

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The the last trainer in Prime Cup master ball, their team is pretty stacked.

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But for me it was the constantly being paralyzed and trying to break through Mew is hard.

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That thing is really bulky in that game.

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Yep.

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And then you see all the difficulties with the status moves specifically.

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And

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Yeah.

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the rap was really what annoyed me the most in those

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Oh, rapid fire spin.

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Yeah.

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More so rap is what I saw.

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'cause uh, Tentacruel was very common.

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I don't remember who else was a faster rapper.

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I think Victory Bill sometimes would annoy me, but Victory

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Yeah.

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Victory Bells would do it.

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Onyx could do it.

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was slow.

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That's the only reason why I don't throw it in there.

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Yeah.

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It, it depends though, like if you got like when they're bulky, like.

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Say it's the last Pokemon.

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Sometimes you have something slow left or maybe you're paralyzed.

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And that's what I ran into Rapidash with Fire Spin made it really hard to finish Gym Leader Castle because Blaine Fire Spam.

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Spammed but I also liked playing the mini games'cause they were a lot of fun too.

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especially the ones like the, the Magikarp and the Sandshrew one were great because you didn't have to worry about losing your character.

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You just press buttons.

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But it made noise.

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I still to this day, am terrible at Clefairy says, but I will attempt to play it with friends for fun.

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I wonder why.

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Yeah.

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Uh huh and then I don't remember if, you remember the game with the Lickitung.

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There's all the things on the plates, which you couldn't,

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Yeah.

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couldn't tell me what those were.

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I just made up things as it went.

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Like, oh, I.

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This, I forget what the item was.

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I'm like, oh, that looks like a controller.

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Okay.

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So he's eating controllers.

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Cool.

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And I, I ran with it, but when he could get'em and he'd be like, bang,

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Yeah.

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he'd go red or green, it was it.

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I loved the things like that, the small little details that made the games fun.

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Even if visually, I'm probably missing something, I could still follow along and had a lot of fun with it.

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Mm-hmm.

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to Pokemon after Pokemon Stadium, where did it progress from there?

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Like what's the journey?

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So after that, I believe we got Emerald and then the big one at that point would've been, Pokemon Xd, Gale of Darkness.

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I've still, to this day, have yet to play Coliseum, but I played a lot of xd.

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There's one that that was difficult game to play.

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The one thing I will say that made it better than most of the Pokemon games even now, this is a small detail, but you know how in like, take Fire, red Leaf Green or even, sword Shield Scarlet Violet, it's a white text box with black writing.

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Pokemon XD did the opposite where they had a black, like not a transparent black where you could see the background behind it, but like a very dark, black, bold background.

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And then they put like.

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Bold white text on it.

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Yes.

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an example of contrast that makes it easier for me to see.

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I couldn't really tell you why, but dark theme and stuff like that just makes it easier.

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And so in that sense, also, I think they made the text just larger.

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XD was great.

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Um, I don't think the game had a bump sound, but also, thankfully a lot of the stuff in the game was very.

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Big and colorful.

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So barring a few little areas, I was able to navigate it myself through trial and error.

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And also the game keeps your character center focused, which is nice.

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But I had a lot of fun that that game.

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The, the sounds, the fun things you can do.

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It was very, very much a trip

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Now when it come to XD, specifically, how difficult was it to navigate though, because you don't have that sound?

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I don't remember.

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I don't think you had that sound compared to like

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I don't think the sound is in that game.

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Yeah.

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so I think it's heavily depends on the area.

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So like this is just, again, this can also highlight contrast in that.

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'cause the game sometimes has like a top down view.

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The lab you start at in the game.

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It can be tricky sometimes.

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'cause a lot of the stuff looks the same.

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It's all like the same kind of color.

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So I'm like, oh, this room.

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I know like the one area has a side up.

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But I'm like, okay, but who, they're in this room?

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Is that the room where I go left and up, or do I have to go down?

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And it's a lot of memorizing some of the other maps, like, I forget the name of the village.

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It's got like the, the laid back country music.

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Yeah, that one, you're less of a top down view and more of like a standard third person kind of view.

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You start on that bridge.

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They make it pretty obvious that there's, the hill also took me a long time to realize there's a poke ball right at the start of that area.

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So there you go.

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you walk up the hill and because of the way the camera's centered for most of that area, I'm like, okay, I see the brown bridge.

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There's the green, there's the green, there's blue underneath.

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But I see the bridge.

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So I walk down right to the edge.

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Good thing I can't fall, and I can walk across the bridge.

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And because enough of the stuff looks.

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Different.

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It's pretty easy to navigate.

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And then there's these puzzles, they're in like two or three spots where you have to click the colored levers and then you move across on these floaty platforms.

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The problem is the camera angles and those areas specifically.

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It's a confusing puzzle as it is, but for me, I'm like, okay.

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sometimes they have like a light blue.

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Then like maybe a very light green, but they look the same to me.

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So I'm like, oh, I pulled this.

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Oh, there's another blue.

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So I just pull the blue again.

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Nope, you need to pull this color.

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And it gets tricky.

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But I'd say generally that navigation other than like one or two maps in the game would be fairly easy even without the bump sound, thankfully.

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'cause they did contrast and nice camera angles.

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And then I was gonna say, I think Mt.

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Battle would be super easy for you because you literally only have the one way you can go.

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I think.

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The only difficulty would be trying to figure out where the small bridge is, but since you have more ability to see contrast, I don't think that would've been as difficult.

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So Mt.

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Battle actually is pretty easy.

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The only parts where it's kind of difficult.

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So you know, there's the different stages of Mt.

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Battle.

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Like you go up the first levels, it's pretty basic, bold colors in that, it's that section, I forget, like if it's maybe halfway through or a little bit like a third of the way in like your 30 to 60 kind of area could be wrong.

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You hear like the bubbling of the lava and that, and that helps for some stuff.

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But the map gets.

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Darker, but not just that it gets darker.

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There's almost like, and I could be wrong, almost like a thin fog or something over it.

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I couldn't tell you what color it is, but everything seems a little more blurred.

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Could be'cause it got darker.

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That's the only time where it's really difficult to navigate Mt.

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Battle.

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