Shoot For The Moon & Reach For The Stars With Tres Wilson

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guys. My legal name is James Wilson, but all my friends know me and Tracy are Yes. Um, I have been in L. A for about. It'll be five years. September 1st. I come from a small town in Arkansas. Okay. Just appointed with the dream like everybody in Los Angeles. Uh, I'm an agent. Assistant talent agency here in Los Angeles. California? Um, yeah, man, I'm just trying to my thing. I love art. I love artists. That's Ah, that's what I want my life to revolve around. And honestly, that just goes a passion for people. Absolutely. Yeah.

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I love that. And I do start a lot of my podcast off like this. Just thanking the individual for coming on, because thank you for having me. I'm sorry. It's none of your most boring one. Ha ha ha. Party posted on instagram. So all five of my followers feeling Oh, my God. So say yes. That's cool. Bail way to do podcast in Los Angeles. My God, No. Are So this just kind of get back to your story I with you growing up in Arkansas? Um, small city.

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Very small. So I'm from a small town called Hope we're famous for for Bill Clinton. Mike Huckabee. Take your pick of I. When bill pen was elected, he's like a still believe in a place called Hope. Hey, hey, man, He's from my hometown and shout out Hope Arkansas s

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not like it was a town

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of 10,616 people. Wow. Precise. Well, my father's chief of police of hope. Okay, before that, he was with the FBI, and we lived in New Arizona for about two and 1/2 years. Yes. So what do they say about preachers and cops? Kids?

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Yes. What was that? Like growing up as a young boy in Hope, Arkansas, with your father is the chief of police. Boring as fuck. Okay, there's not shit to

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do. Like I'm not the type of person, like man. Like, let's go do this bonfire. Not that's not what you think. I'm good on all that. Uh, dude, like, I was actually extremely blessed to have the best parents in the freaking world. Like I think. Ah, lot of time. Especially like the climate about police officers and all that stuff thinking. And when you think of place, office officer, you think someone who's like heart knows you do this? There is that aspect of my dad. By the same time, he always made time. He always told me how proud of he, how proud he was of me. He always told me that how much I meant to him and how much he loved me, and he would go out of his way for me. And I had the best parents in the fucking world, and I know it like it's I learned that a little bit more each and every day that not everyone had that. Yeah, I think as a kid, like, it's easy. Think like everyone has this. Like, I don't come from like a super rich family. I also don't come from a super poor family. We were very middle middle class Americans. Yes, we owned a farm. Like I don't want you get any flak with Pita. Yes, because they will. They will find a way

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to if I don't give a We contract id with Tyson for chickens. And we had a cattle operation. You know, you gotta make some money. First time when I moved here, very first thing I did was background work. Okay, because it was easy fucking money. Yes, you could be a convict. And like, like years minimum wage. By the way, you just chill here and eat free food, like all right. Like And then I remember us talking to this girl at lunch. One time. She's like, Look where you're from Where I'm from Arkansas did this, that she's like, What was it like

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growing up there? I was like, Hey, man, anything that doesn't like any way that I will not end up back on that form. I will never go back there. She's like farm like What do you

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mean? Did you have, like, vegetables? Like, not like? And I was like, I was like, Not like we had chickens and cattle. She's like

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what? Like it blew her mind. She was like, What do you mean? You had chickens like we contract with Tyson chickens? That's honestly the reason I was able to go to college debt free. She's like, Oh, so you're the goddamn devil.

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Oh, my God, I was like, Well, like this conversation is to kill upturned like what happened and she and she was just like,

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you're the most evil person the world. How the hell could you ever do that? I was like, Yeah, like I get it, Yeah, at the same time. Like I said, what I understand is this When I look into a cow's eyes, there's thought process course like I were very first stage. They breed natural. They do their thing. Why? Looking at chicken size? There is no complex that there it is very like very, very insect like mind. Like there's no remorse zero like. And at the end of the day, like, yeah, should all living beings, like, be treated with decency and have the right to life? Absolutely. At the same time. Your dog is the fucking food chain. Yeah, it's the fucking fashion. I got it. And I didn't know much. You wanna bitch? That's great. Do you still eat me? Well, yeah, well, then you're a

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fucking hypocrite. Absolutely. You know, I'm a vegetarian, right? Like I'm Arun. Sam. I fucking hate classification of that shit. I'm 90 10 here, but 90 10 90% base, 10% like wild caught fish and shit like that. But, uh, what I'm just hearing is that your parents had to do something to put food on the table and for another individual to get upset about that. And I think that you're the devil. I'm sorry. That's just bullshit, because we are starting to understand, You know, the ramifications of all of this shit. But I your parents were just doing what they had to do and things were different. And regardless, if they do it now or they don't shut the fuck up, I mean, like, you know what? I love that you said That was like love. Bye. Thank you for course, Absolutely. We do that with a lot of things that's human, human

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being nature, like we have a belief system and we like, fight for it. And we all have a certain aspect about that in our lives where you take like the food industry or you take religion, you take politics, taking those things. We have these core beliefs about ourselves where we say, I'm right, you're wrong. And maybe there's some other like stuff we're like. There's greater that we could discuss for sure. But like

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there's certain things like people's lives, where you just need to listen. The other person, you have to you have to. We live in this polarized climate where it's just like I'm right. I'm right. You're wrong. You're wrong. Left right, Black Red blue is just like shut the fuck up. We need to talk. We need to have open dialogue. We need have open conversation and so many people would just like to point the finger. And I don't blame your fucking parents, like, shot out to them, doing what they have to do to put food on the table, right? If we want change remark, more action than that needs to be a conversation and ways to fix it. But not point fingers at other individual. Amen to that. Um,

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like, you know, like, hey, like, I really what I really do admire about the other side of this argument is Hey, you have a very firm belief and something that the majority of Americans feel of hay like you're living being. You should have honor, decency, respect and a right to life. Yes, we can all agree on those things, but when it comes to okay, now you're gonna put as many farmers that work out, they're out of business. And now you're gonna put them on the streets for me personally. One human beings take top priority, like porcelain. Like the person that I'm able to interact with and have a conversation

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with people man connect with Yeah, that takes a higher part. Does it is a dog on the same level as a human being to me. No. Yeah, I do.

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I love my dog's fuckin lutely. Yes. Yeah, I miss Bowen. Bella, back in Arkansas so much. Like, I love every single dog. Come in, come into

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contact. If you have your sister and a dog and you gotta pick one has to die because you are choosing you like I like with the fuck. Yeah, like it's the needs of anyone with that. But like

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what? What I was saying was this waas Hey, if you feel that strongly about it, you don't need to, like, attack the people there. You need toe, go to your congressman. Honestly, if you feel that strongly about it, you run. You run on that as your ticket and you make the change is great for you to like. Sit here and complain about me. All right? Sweet. If you really believe that, then like going back some change? Yes. I don't mean like inconveniencing other people's day. I mean, hey, you come up with a solid plan, you put in the work you put in the time and you actually put something, get people behind your idea, and then

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you get elected to office and you fight on that? Exactly. Do exactly. Yeah, and you and you have to And what I do curse it's words without action or meaning. Absolutely. And that's a great point. And what I do like about all of this is that, um you know, we do live in this PC culture and we live in this PC world right now in some people. Like I fucking just shut the fuck up, right? And other people like, Well, no, this is how we got to do it, right? What it does. It pushes society in a direction. I'm reading this book on the command. She's right. And if you go back to the 18 forties waiting for these 18 sixties 18 seventies, the life that these people lived back then even the United States of America, right? We can't even fathom the shit that they went through on a day to day basis, right? Zero. I'm the widest personal ever meet in your life. If you're

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watching this in this video like I am like, the white balance

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is way off because of me. But but it's tze just we are enacting change by having these conversations But if people realized what people went through just 100 years ago, 150 years ago, go back to go. But I mean, Holly, just go back to the fifties. Exactly. It's just for black Americans in this country like it. Sze discussing this it ISS But these conversations and these movements, although I don't believe in every single one of them, it does open people's eyes, ears, hearts to start thinking about change, right? So, no, it's not your parent's fault, right? There's so many other snow. I have never been the one to be. Why are you not? Yeah, but it's just it's just stupid. But whatever. I want to get off this topic. Well, well, well, I say just real quick for those who care. My mother was gonna ask that she's a therapist

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on that lady. Like I get my energy from her like I get the logical side for my dad. Um, I have one brother. He's studying to take a C p. A. This summer, like I was the black sheep of my family. I don't want to work in entertainment Ice Storm to look on his face like my junior of college like I just got, like, theater program. And I was like, Dad, like, I think I, like, want to go to L A and, like, you know, working entertainment. And I remember, like, you think about like a guy whose whole history has been long for yes, And I remember he have lunch in my college town, were hanging out with family and his face goes, So you want to move to L. A? Don't

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you know, I was like, Yeah, like I really do like, I really wanna give the shot. All right. I love that. Like, it's just so

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opposite of a world than what he comes from. He hasn't been back to l. A since I moved out here.

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You help me about, you know, and somebody doesn't want those. Not his thing, of course, but just like the farm isn't my thing exactly. But at but free for your father and your mother, too. Still understand and be open. And I say, No, you can't go. That's right. They've

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supported me and everything that I've ever wanted to go for and that I am so blessed

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to have. And that's huge. I mean, that that is so important to an individual story. I

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mean, I hope I'm half the dad. I'm hope. I hope I am half the father my dad was to me. I like God can have given me a better family. Yeah, um,

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you know, in Arkansas and hope are consulted just kind of out by the back and get back to your story. It's like, uh, you know, growing up with your father that there's gonna

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be many rabbits. My a d h d brain. No,

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it's we're both on that same tip for that. I've gotta be able to sometimes dialect. There's a reason I take so much address way could go down that rabbit hole. Wait till later, Um, for you with your father. Um, you know, being the chief of police. Your mom being a therapist, Um, did your dad or did you get you know, were you more cautious about the things that you did, or were you more rebellious because of That s okay. So the best way that I could summarize myself is this. It's

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like especially in my like, early childhood early childhood, like I was just this young, fun kid, like probably was given more serum serotonin than he should have been like bouncing off the walls. A DHD here was the extremist thing, not the extremist thing. But like the extreme thing about me like I was I had so much energy as a child. Like when I was an infant to like how high school You either love me or you hated me. There was no in between either. Like Dan. This guy is, like, so much fun or God, I can't fucking stand him like and that's it Was that black and white like And you could see it. And I think, like, I have been so extremely naive in the best ways to certain things about life that e I think there was, like, a connection that people get from that. I don't know what it is like, whether it's just like I like to think I'm in earnest, person like and I hope people pick up on that. But, um, I don't know, like, I've always just had a thing about people, and there was all and I was very blessed that there was many more people who like me, then didn't. But don't get me wrong like there's a lot of evil. You don't. Uh uh, and that's okay. You're not meant to put on this world to vibe with every single person. No, you're not. You find the people that fuck with you and you keep them close and make sure that you stay close with them and you have their back and they have yours. And that's

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who you keep around. You have to. That's lie flat. I can totally relate to what you're saying, because I was the a d h d kid who bounced off the fucking wall. So doom. And it was either to people, people that fucking loved me and appreciated me for who I was or people that just didn't fuck with me for the longest time, even just up until recently, I never understood why people like me I'm such a fucking nice guy. I'm like, I'm going. I'm talking about you know, this, that the other, uh, but that can be put off by some

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candy. Especially like people who are very, like, logical or analytical

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or sure, absolutely. But there's a guy said by work, hates my fucking guts. That's and that's his problem. No, no, No, No. So it's not so like that's just part of the human experience. Of course. Of course. I think I think he is the

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smartest person at my company. Like, hands down, there are things about him that I wish I was more like. Like I admire that guy so fucking much. It's still

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point. I was like, Damn! Like I really want this person. Be my friend. Maybe it's selfish. Like I could

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get a lot of knowledge from him. Um, but like, it goes back to that thing, like, at the end of the day, you're not meant a vibe with

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every single memory or not. But it is still that individuals problem because you're sitting here speaking very highly of him. And if the role of their rivers, I'll say this. There have been times I haven't like like, and that's something that's fair, whether that slide Yeah, well, like look, if if the if the tables were turned

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right, Yeah, like, I would want someone to be honest. Like at first when I came in Day one of this guy's a fucking big fucking dude. Are you fucking nerd? Get back out of it like I get the and not like it takes like an honesty. One thing I'm very grateful for, especially from some of the people I work with. It's like they've loved me through a lot. And now, because of those experiences, I've gotten to a point. Dude, I really admire this guy like I like I think he's smart as fuck and like, I hope I have half the knowledge that he does. But is he gonna be the guy I grab a beer with? Absolute. Not. He's gonna be the guy that I see four, 10 to 14 hours a day because, like, that's part of life for all you kids. You wanna work in Los Angeles? Um and then I'm going to dip out and I'm gonna see him Monday through Friday and that's gonna be it. Like, that's just what it'll always be like. Is he gonna be the guy that I'm like? Dude, I just want to pick your brain and learn a lot from, you know, because that's gonna piss him off, Of course, No, but that's why I keep my ear open. When I said Next storm and like, you know, that's how I'm gonna

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learn from. You noticed that and you take from it what you will. And then you move on because not everyone is going to be able to really or tolerate you. Right? And but that's true. That's true for everyone. Everyone as a universal truth of it is, it is. But to be able to understand that and not think that it's me, me, me, me, me. Ah, and just understand that some people just don't vibe on That's okay, That's okay. But still having that respectful another. And even though you're like in the beginning, you know, whatever the fuck happened all this time later, it's

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not like there was this massive fight, you know,

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know, know, know for sure. But whatever the fuck it is to them, be able to understand, relate, respect it and move on from, and that's just life. Do you think this comes to you because your mother was a therapist? Maybe, I don't

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know, Like my mother has always been Okay, So I had this belief that, like if you want something, you go to the opposite sex parent. Okay? Yeah, I don't I don't know. That's just my theory. Like when you were a kid and you wanted $20 to take someone out thing. I hate the mike. I'm sorry If you're like a kid and you want to ask for 20 bucks like go see a movie with someone who would you ask? Like for me? It was my mom. And like, I think that's the pattern. Is like you

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like Mom like I really want $20. Just like girl like my dad was like the penny pincher was like,

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Not like he's he's the authority. Like, Oh, man, let

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me see if I can, like, talk to my mom first. He was, like, on my side and all my same emotional wait, wait Like which is dumb Because, like, I knew if I went to my dad and you wanted a girl out Absolutely, yes, looking back, I see that, but like I think when you're

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a kid ah, you go the opposite sex parent. So I do, I think, now and especially made because like my mom's, that they're pissing like we're similar with our emotions. If I have a problem, she's the 1st 1 I go to. Yeah, my dad's like more analytical and and at the same. Like while there's so much value in that. And it's gotten to the point where, like, I've started, call my dad more with questions, okay? Especially like with my professional career. Um, yeah. You know, like, if I ever just need like, I need to connect on a human level is a ghost. My mom? Yeah. Yeah,

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And that's good to be able to notice that. And I think that it's fantastic that your parents, um kind of just like both sides of the coin. And what that does is it instills of both sides of the coin to you as a person because we are a, ah, lot of times a direct product of our environment the way that we are growing up. Ah, and I do love when I hear people, may they share their stories and their parents were just fucking awesome. You know, we're going to have the up and down of roller coaster of life, right? But, uh, your parents are still together after all this time.

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Yeah, on. You know, that's something that's crazy. I know. Without a shadow of a doubt, my parents will never be divorced. Never, ever have How we're living together. Shed like Like probably like 30 35 years now. Okay. Yeah. Jesus. When did they get married? That they had. So it was six year. I was born in 91. They tried six years tohave me. Man, you do the math and waited. 1986 90

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five. Yeah. 85 Dams. Yeah, definitely be booking seriously on the calculus. Like what's 11 25 plus 10? Oh, yeah. 1 30 with Yeah, well, I mean now especially have calculators and all of that. I'm so

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tired of this thing I get. Like, when my like I had to spend. I told you earlier I had to spend $200 that I really didn't want to end this pointing. Or I could just think of a 1,000,000 ways toe spend $200 more fun way for sure. Like when my phone was dead for like that hour and 1/2 this morning, I had to go get the screen fix it will light up. I was just like, fucking. How'd I get in contact with anybody?

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Is not crazy. That will be what I sent a carrier pigeon. No, you can't World War One. And hey, guys, we're trying to cross the German line, and these have only made out for 11 12 years. I know it's not. Cell phones have been out for a long Tim Cook like no Steve Jobs. Fuck that. I mean, hey, Tim is compounding on every Yeah, but Steve Jobs, the guy that created the fuckin is David. I was just trying to make a modernized holiday. I rest in peace, Steve. Yes? He's one of my fuckin idols for sure, man. Yeah, he was a dick. Not because I was just about to say that because of a personality. Him because of his ingenuity. It just mildly wars. Just It's like if someone was like, man already Emanuel, he's the greatest guy in the world. Well, if you're Dana, Y you know Yeah. Dana What? Dwayne

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the rock Johnson. And yeah, definitely, But like, yo, Hey, you're gonna come in. Hey, man,

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you're gonna be the SPP. I got you. I got you. Hey, you remember how I promise you that job? He's out. I want to get the story. Just go Deadline. And that's how it is. Okay. So ever since you were younger. Did you know that you wanted to get in the entertainment? I think,

spk_1:   23:01
um, like that was so like video games and movies. TV was always my escape isn't if I had, like, a great day out like I was so, like with friends, we always play video games. Do this, do that? Like video games were like central. Like I'm talking original Xbox days like my first consul was. And in 64 Damn, I'm definitely very first game was Mario Kart Always your super Nintendo? No. Nintendo? Uh, yes. Super. Oh, no. Regular and I'm not. I'm not trying to age anybody. I don't know what that looks like. Really? You know what? I know the superman to know that

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I was like that. My first memory. I know there was that one. Where

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people played pong back in the day

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was Atari. Atari? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Fuck you. Like I think this is over. I'm only like, 56 years older than you, but in that time frame. Okay, so, yeah, video games, movies,

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TV, like that was especially growing up in Arkansas like there's not shit to do. Hey. Yeah. Like what? I don't want to like throwing a mad dip and, like, go like fucking around truck. Actually, the favorite thing to do when we were in high school was like smokin blond drive around in his freestyle. There we go. Oh, white boys freestyling, man, I try sometimes. Man is not good. It's not good, but it's

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a lot of fun. It was, man. See, I don't I don't I don't want to make your right. So, um, I'm driving out smoking a blunt in free sign. But did you think that video games were going to be your career? Eso like I always like this is a

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firm belief about myself itself apart. Like my pitch. Like I want to be the Charles King of video games. What

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does that even mean? Charles

spk_1:   24:46
King waas. A gentleman who, um, he worked at William Morris for 17 19 years, made his way from an agent, William Morris, all the way up to a partner. Um and then even she said, Hey, I have the money and I have the relationships I need to start creating the projects that I want to create. Now

spk_0:   25:04
his is a lot

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more like on a grander scale more important, cause he said, Oh, I'm gonna make films. I'm gonna create films that are about black stories with black leads on Put that out into the world That's so honorable. I won't do the same thing except I want to make video games in the movies and it's like, Oh, wow, he had

spk_0:   25:23
this like thing. I just I just thought video games for cool. Yeah, but

spk_1:   25:27
the mass effects, the fallout, the bio shocks that far cries like those I think are just great properties that people want to see in films like You Have Halo coming out on Showtime, you have Lions Gate, who's doing borderlands right now? That shit's like, That's I think there's really value in that. And we see the past of that, not translating one.

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Yeah, that's about to say,

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Like what the best one was, Uh, Angelina Jolie and to Marie. Oh, yeah, that was probably the biggest one of all the boys, weren't they? Eventually it's on on, and a man like you take like comic comic book movies. Back

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in the day, they also flopped. Guess what? Guess what's the highest grossing films now? Endgame, fool. It is what beat out Avatar Titanic. Both teams Cameron, James Cameron to both, Um um James. Great name James. Uh, so that was definitely something that was instilled in you personally. Like I just so like,

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that was my escapism. Like, Oh, I think we were talking about, like, who I was in high school. So, like, he was kind of my director. I'm gonna tie it back into the video game. So, like, in high school, I was that super emotional guy. Like

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going God. Why doesn't this girl like me? Uh huh. You don't like that? Like this? Yes. Like like, Oh, wow, you're really sweet man eyes. It is a female gonna be attracted to you. Not really know their confidence. Exactly.

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And I had zero that nice. Cool. I was just hypersensitive, like

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I was a good time. Like I had all this energy and, like, I did my thing. But no, that's not so. I remember I graduated high school and I went to college. I want to I want to University of Arkansas, where

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I I didn't know anybody. Like nobody from my high school or hell, even my area. They were They were gonna go to, like a community college where they're gonna go to a trade school. I was like, If I'm gonna go in state, I'm gonna go to, like, the University of my state. I want the big school experience. I graduated with 20 like, may being a very social human being that was hell on earth like I have. Like, if you got in a fight with someone in my high school, you would literally have to go out of your way where everybody sees it to avoid somebody. Yeah, it's it was asked nine. So when I went to college, I wanted special like I was I was a fraternity. Like anyone who's listening, you would have hated me. Freshman sophomore year of college. I was frat boy bag

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Who's so bro? We're getting fucking. But like I remember, like, I get theirs first few

spk_1:   28:15
weeks and like some, like my roommate was like, Hey, man, you you should probably think about, like, rushing or something like you don't know a lot of people, and that's a good way to like, Even if you don't go Greek, you're gonna like me to shoot some people. Maybe something your social guy and I'm like, All right, sweet. Like I think about it. I did it. I remember I was standing outside of the fraternity house that I eventually joined Sigma Nu's University. Shout out, Um, and I remember I was so feeling that way. And I met one. The guys who was eventually pledge Brothers. Mason Brody, Dallas, Texas. Who was the first guy I talked to, like outside that house right now? And he was going fantastic. I think. I think he's doing well for himself. That guy's married like that

spk_0:   28:55
was. The guy was like, Anyone's not getting married, It's hell. He's He's man I care for No. He was the only

spk_1:   29:01
one that I know of that successfully made it out the friend zone, like he's married to his best friend And, like, that's dope is far

spk_0:   29:08
away. What about me? Full been moved my wife for 16 years. You know that's true At the same time. Yeah, it was the first time I met you, like a years ago. Two days ago. Yeah, you're right. You're right. You're right. I was I

spk_1:   29:20
was talking with him, and I was like, that guy's been like, he's all right. Well, I guess he had some other people, like, Dude, you're dope. Like Like, if I know anyone. Like I definitely put in Good word was all right. Like, I don't know what that means. They like tight. And I remember, like I was standing on that moment was kindly by myself, like, kind of like being introspective. I was like, Oh, shit. No one knows me here. I could be whatever the fuck I want to be. And that was when, like, in that 30 seconds, something flipped And I went from super emotional kid in high school toe Fuck, yeah. Dude, I am overconfident. If anything like I'm in, this bitch will be Yeah, on. And that provided a lot better results, at least when it came to women. But like when it But like for me and like my soul and honestly, just in the sense of being a good, decent human being. No, that doesn't serve that per model. What happened was fresher, soft, muted. My thing. I found my core group of friends like my 45 Ryder died. People like I'm sad that I don't get to see them or but like they're in Dallas, Texas, doing their thing. I'm the only one who moved to Los Angeles. Really? And Ah, yeah, They, um, like e. I found my like, core group of people. And in my junior year, I was just like I was like, I got my friends. Like, I'm gonna do my thing. Like I was being extras fought right? And then that's when I was like, Hey, like, I'm gonna join the theater program. Um, did that And like the theater program, the universe of Arkansas, like so if it's a pendulum like left side, super emotional. All right, then I went to the right side. Frat boy dick theater is what, like, leveled me. Uh, yeah, I like that. And, like, that's what made me me. And that's and I'm still growing. But like, yeah, that's what like, hey, all right, now I know who I am.

spk_0:   31:02
I can appreciate that because as a kid, right, we have to go through these experiences. That then eventually allows us to become the person that we are and to be able to realize that, you know, for for you now looking at your life what? You're 27.

spk_1:   31:19
28 28 Right? Um, to be able to go from, you know,

spk_0:   31:23
super sensitive kid that then all the way to the other side and then just bring it back. Right? Well, we'll find that thing that even this

spk_1:   31:30
out. But I guess, like I gave that whole story because, like, so me in high school being super emotional, what does

spk_0:   31:36
this girl like me? Only when you can't like, why isn't this right? Of course.

spk_1:   31:39
My escapism was video games like, Yo, I could play mass effect be Commander Shepard, and I'm that fucking badass that, like, I think I am in my head. But I'm not. Why am I not that? But, like for 5 to 7 hours playing that video game, I could escape, And I could be that. And I could I could be this, like, bad ass person. And I just think and like, that's me. Like being a little bit maybe too emotionally honest, but like no, uh, well, it's, um but like, I think those stories resonated with me so much, and I know that they've resonated with millions of people like me. Yeah, I just on. Maybe I'm just a little old school. And, like I remember watching saving Private Ryan like this Spielberg aspect of me being Yo, I like I don't know what this is, but I want to do it. I'm watching O brother, Where art thou saying Lee, Jesus Christ, Like I love this film. It's great. I want to do that. And it is actually the very 1st 1 that I washed for us that I want to work in entertainment Was Denzel Washington's man on fire? Yeah, I was like, Man, I don't know what

spk_0:   32:38
this is. I want t o. I didn't like I went belly. I think

spk_1:   32:42
I was, like, 13 14 when I first watched that film. And, uh, like I went back, like, two years gonna watch. I was

spk_0:   32:48
like, Oh, this movie isn't as good as I thought my childish And I think this is a prestige film. How was it not nominated for an Oscar? I was Oh, yeah, that's a lot of eggs over yonder. I want to touch base on. You know, we come. At least I do for sure come from a generation of parents who would get fucking hissed at their kids playing video games. But if, like five hours playing video games. Oh, my God. Fuck that. But if they wanted to five hours playing baseball or basketball, then it's fucking okay. There we

spk_1:   33:22
are. Yes, I told you my dad was a baseball bat. Like how We're

spk_0:   33:26
starting to see that video games. I mean, you see some of these kids that are just I mean, they're making massive lives for themselves, a massive amount of fucking twitch at when I was fucking 12 and 13. Christ, I've

spk_1:   33:39
been all over that shit. So do you. Now I hate it. Now I'm like my dad, and those people do something with your life.

spk_0:   33:47
But are they the kind of like, All right, So, like, it's baseball, it's okay. So

spk_1:   33:52
let me play. Devil's Advocate, right? Another movie That Devil's Africa's Al Pacino's most underrated film. By the way, if you haven't seen watch it, it

spk_0:   33:59
is fantastic. Which is Devil's Avocado devils Have it just right here is like my cashpoint

spk_1:   34:07
too. So, like, work wise, sweet. I know what to do with that. Like, I can take this person and elevate that brand and like, make money when it comes to like something that really adds value to the world. And like by that I mean, when it adds value to someone's life, Yes, it does give people a sense of escapism. It does. And like, there's something like, Man, I really I I don't know any twitch stars. So, like, I must be like, yo, man, like this guy, like, is really fucking sick. Like I have a lot of fun when I do it. I get that feeling. But on a day like, what are you contributing writer Baseball? Yeah, you know, you're not, but like at the same time, I think there is something that, like maybe there's like, Maybe this is where my disconnect is. I can honor that of like, Yeah, social media is the strongest form of, like interaction in today's society. You can connect with someone that you would never be able to connect with. Regardless, I remember like the Instagram when I was in eighth grade was Facebook's hot or not. Okay, when you were like sweater, I'm sorry. The tender back in my day was Facebook's hot or not, and he was swipe right, Swipe left like that was the first time anyone ever thought of that. Um, yeah, I don't. I just Maybe I'm just becoming that old man now where it's okay, Great. I wanna have an impact on people. I want to make sure that I'm contributing something. I want to make sure that I'm on a team. And one thing that I'll say about baseball or like, sports activities. It really gives you that sense of, like, working together. So baseball is actually great. Example. Baseball is an individual sport in a team environment.

spk_0:   35:44
So is video games. They have these massive teams in the individual and behind of, but like you feel like eso eso. Let's take Halo, for example, where you

spk_1:   35:53
grew up on Halo, right? So, like, let's say you're doing a competition. Halo is a four person team. There's a four person team, whatever the number is. And you know Hey, you can say you have this role. You have this role that you have this role on this map. We're doing this. We're gonna strategize. Your baseball is really like your performance. Better be top notch and the other eight players performance on that field. Better be top notch. You know, you can't strategize that shit. You have an off day. You could take a game at the same time. It's the same thing of it is the same thing. As you know, one person has a great day. They could win the whole thing. Yeah, so I think that's what I mean, like an individual sport in a team environment.

spk_0:   36:31
But also we have, like, you know, the N B A Games in the big didn't like the video games and baseball video games. And I don't know, I feel I'm not knocking, you know? I know. I'm just I'm playing the opposite side of you because I love them in the middle anyway. So But I'd just like to stimulate conversation because I do believe, though, that we are moving into this digital realm that human beings will eventually be cyborgs and that we will then eventually be all interconnected, right? And that's just like,

spk_1:   36:56
What can you can you define that for?

spk_0:   36:58
Okay, so when you walk down the street or you walk in a mall, right, you see human beings. But they were on the phone that did it there on the road. I'm addicted thing 100 years from now, What's to say that that phone is It could become part of us, right? Ah, send muted chip in your head action. And then 1000 years from now, we're all interconnected like the World Wide Web. Um, it's possible it is. I mean, I believe that the next phase of evolution is not going to be We're gonna grow a fucking horn out of her ass. We're going to merge with technology. The only way to compete with a I is to merge with that said Texas. I don't

spk_1:   37:33
like maybe maybe this is me putting my own thing into it like I don't think that's as nefarious as people make it out to be. Um, I

spk_0:   37:40
think there's, I think that's a

spk_1:   37:41
great service. Honestly, like if someone were to be able to come up with a chip that they could say, Hey, I'm gonna put this like on the side of your temple and, like, every single capability on your phone is gonna be in that ship, and all you have to do is like scroll your eye upto last scroll something or like whatever. You just have to have a thought like oh, scale down. I

spk_0:   38:02
think I see that as a positive is a positive, like, Okay,

spk_1:   38:05
So, like I'm religious, I have my beliefs like, Jesus Christ is, my Lord and savior respect like you know, But like, one thing I think Christian ST trip about, I do think a one world government is a smart idea, I think a basic universal law, like and I'm not saying of, like, this crazy regime that, like, like that does evil things. You're not allowed to murder people. Yeah, that's a universal law. Yes. Hey, there should be a universal minimum wage. Everyone across the world should make a minimum standard Li living and like,

spk_0:   38:40
those sort of things. I see the positive and I don't like and I get

spk_1:   38:45
it like like to the people who believe that sends me Well, that's just harder than in times. How could you ever want that? Because I want fair

spk_0:   38:53
fairness and decency for everyone, for everyone. That's in a very American thing to say I could because, like, it's like like you're fighting. But you're not

spk_1:   39:01
really doing anything. I'm like, all right, Touche. But like just that thought of like, Christianity is like, Oh, you gotta stay away from a one world government over, like the Alex Jones type minds mind state. It's it is sa nine its

spk_0:   39:15
ass. And I think I agree. I do. What do you think Inter pol is like? Jesus Christ is an international organization of police. Like I get it, I get it. And you're talking from taiking about it in the positive side, anything? There should

spk_1:   39:27
be a one world currency that makes your Bitcoin. I don't know if I believe in the Blockchain, but I do. I do believe that there is like, there has to be something toe where Yeah, this has to work

spk_0:   39:39
that allows us to all interconnect with one regards of Bitcoin ripple or someone currency that we don't know about. But we are all interconnected via the Internet. Some governments, you know, obviously block certain things, right? I mean, because there is there in the business of control. Yes. And you know what? That's actually, that's actually something I

spk_1:   39:56
was thinking about on the drive over here was like, Yo, every single person, every single entity, every single company everyone comes from How do I gain power in a situation? And there is nothing wrong with that. The thing that makes it wrong is if you lack to, is the lacking of empathy. That's the thing. So, like, Yo, I do. I want leverage in this conversation with you. Absolutely, I d'oh Do I want to control the narrative dog? Everyone does at the same time. Like I have to be open and honest about everything that I say, because that's what a human connection is. There's nothing wrong with wanting to gain power. There's nothing wrong with that at the same time, to shut your eyes and to turn your ears off to what other people are going through. That's the evil thing. Yeah. Yeah,

spk_0:   40:48
I get that. Dude, That's my two cents. I bagged it. Respect, Respect, respect, respect. I, uh, minute totally agree with you and I We're gonna bring back to your story. Okay, So you went through this point in your life where you're starting to gain confidence, right? Which is in college, right? 1st 2 years, Then you get into theater. What was that like to decide? Okay, I'm gonna try this theater thing. Did people make fun of you? Was honestly

spk_1:   41:14
No, like, people are like you know, like fuck. Yeah, like, yo. Hey. As long as you're Ah, uh, What's his fucking name from Entourage? Already? Gold, but, uh, Vince. Okay, so you're gonna be defensive chase, dawg. What's up, Like like, I don't think I look like that. I think the best side guys, I'm gonna be a character actor, and I'm like, That's just what it is. But like, I was very lucky to have very, very, very supportive people in my life. And I think that's one thing that, like, I'm decent at and it's the reason I wanna work in entertainment. It's It's a people business. And I love people like That's what I want my life to be about. His other people. Um, and what? I work on agency, right? What? It honestly, for anyone who's listening in middle America, and you're like, Oh, the talent agent gets you a job? Kind of. Yeah, but what do you think an agency is where? Sales agency. We just sell people an unethical way. We're not selling people like El Chapo way sell a dream. So how do I sell something that you can't touch? Taste, feeler, smell? If you do any of those things, you're gonna be arrested. Yeah, it's based off the relationships that you have within the industry that you work in. And I will say this. I make it about entertainment because maybe I'm ethno centric in the sense of that's what I work in. That is true for every single other industry as well. I don't care if you're a CEO of a Fortune 500 company or if you're a drug dealer on the streets. That is that I feel like that's a universal truth of throughout it. How how do people perceive you? How do you make people feel when you sit down with them? And are you a person of your word that is a constant throughout anything? And I think it is imperative to like, you know, when if and if you're like in your life, like trying to figure out what you're passionate about, those are three things you have to ask yourself like with whatever you do decide. Hey, this is what I'm passion about. Okay, So, like, how do I get there? Who is the person that I want to be? What is my specialty gonna be on my No My specialty is from the very first few months I worked on agency. I've been assigning agent. That's always been my especially I can excite someone I can do my thing I can Hey, like people have fun with me. I need to learn to be a covering agent That's what That's what had this season of my life that I'm in now. Um, but for me, the thing about it, it has always been people and I don't know, like that's That's the thing that makes it. That's why I'm in my office

spk_0:   43:32
as long as I mean, I think it's the thing that definitely connects us, All right, It's It's those individual connections that we make. And it doesn't matter what industry you're in, right? From your industry to the hair industry to the tech industry to this, that insert name here, right? It sze about building those connections right on DDE. Well, I'm just

spk_1:   43:55
gonna die on our connection sometimes. Like for me, that word

spk_0:   43:58
is like connections means like, Hey, can I talk? You know, I hear

spk_1:   44:01
you like what I would use is like relationship, good relationship. And what when you break down, what a relationship is What is that? It's open and honest communication. I understand. Hey, this is part of life, and you should have loyalty to certain entities and certain people in your life. You should have that loyalty. That's why I always say I want to be a person who is as all who will always be as honest as I can be. I can't be an open book for everybody. Honestly, you take your friends with that yell like you're gonna I'm gonna be extremely open with my close friends. Hey, this is what I'm going through. Hey, I need your advice on this. Hey, but like, am I gonna give that to every single person in this world? People can't most. Most people there's like a naive ity about me. Oh, yeah, Like I really want that to be

spk_0:   44:49
true. But unfortunately not, you know, for me, um, I agree with you. 110%. Ah, starting this podcast, I told myself I was going to be honest and riel a cz, long as it didn't. That's why I think that's why

spk_1:   45:05
you've been like people have been so willing to be on it. Thank you. Thank you like. I think you've done really something really great with it. Thank you. Thank you.

spk_0:   45:13
All right, so So we're gonna bring it back again. You told you we're gonna chase a little around? That's I fucking love it. I love it on you said this. I don't know, even know what this is about. You said this conversation was gonna be boring. Has been born one sec. It's not boring for me. We'll see what they say. They're going to appreciate it. Eso Now, at this point where you're in the acting, you're going well, um, then you're about to graduate with the fuck out. Yeah. So, like, I think I kind

spk_1:   45:41
of mentioned before like, there was a time, like, right when I first got the theater, like I was doing some student films just, like, get some training and, like, do my thing. Um And like I had that conversation like my mom and my dad was a like, this is what, like, I'm really passionate about and I want to make this move. And they supported me in that they love me through it. They helped me. They've been the most supportive people in my life, and that's something I will be eternally grateful for. And I hope I can repay them one day. Um,

spk_0:   46:12
it's by doing good. It's been fun. Course kicking ass. That's how you repay your parents. And

spk_1:   46:16
yeah, and I, um Yeah, this is why I think, in a way, it's what I've always wanted. D'oh! And so, like, I would be I don't know, I I wouldn't want to be on my deathbed looking back one day, man. I wish I did that. No, man. I wish I would have given it a shot. Yeah, yeah,

spk_0:   46:31
No regrets, man. I don't think that unfortunately, a lot of people live their life. Um, with a lot of regrets. And there's there's two types of regrets, right? There's a regret where you can look back at your life and go Fuck. I wish I could have done that and still have the opportunity to do it right. And you should fucking do it, Horace. And then there's the other type of a draw. And

spk_1:   46:52
go for it like you're gonna hate yourself one day if you don't.

spk_0:   46:55
Of course, on that deathbed, right. And then there's the other regret. Were there is at this point, right? If you're 50 years old, Yeah, I wish I would have to college. I wish I would have went to college to have been a part of the frat experience. Chances are you're not going to be able to do that at 50 years old. If you wanted to go to college to go to college, Well, then you can definitely still do that. Um, well, that type of experience. I mean, it's like, you know, like, I'm

spk_1:   47:21
50 and I'm like, man like I wish I would have really went into the army there, Like

spk_0:   47:25
a man like that is fast That time that za bit. That's a better way. That right? Man, I really wish I was a soldier. Really? Well, dude, like the Times, I don't know what to say. You know, like, thanks for the support. Of course. And that's it. That's totally And so those tubes has two types of regrets, like one fucking go for it. You don't. And I guess the third is just shut the fuck up. If you have the ability to do it, do it. If you don't, then you have to move on from it. Yeah, um,

spk_1:   47:53
don't lean your don't don't linger on something like And I think, you know, we all have those things, whether it's like someone we like or if it's a job that we really want or if it's like a feeling that we're having about something or we like man like,

spk_0:   48:06
but like I really wanted to see Oh, like, yeah, I have a passion

spk_1:   48:09
about something, but also be able to read a room, huh? Yeah, I understand when Hey, something's not being reciprocated. And it's okay that it's not like now, like in basic things. Like, if you're being a good human being, someone like they're abusing you.

spk_0:   48:24
Yeah, like that. Something like Leo. There's nothing

spk_1:   48:26
like family. You need to get out, like go, leave, do anything you can. Don't be. Don't be that person that's like O. Or was it called when you're, like, really tied to your abuser or abuse?

spk_0:   48:36
I know. Really? Yeah. I can't remember. The name of this is this is like, Hey, sorry, I'm not insane. Mind where remember? Um but like, you know, if you have something, go

spk_1:   48:47
for it at the same time. Don't be so hung. up on this idea of what you think something is toe where you

spk_0:   48:53
sacrifice other aspects of your life. Yes. Somebody will do that. I mean, I know I'm guilty of everything Overs is guilty of. I'm so guilty of it. But as you get older and you start to realize things, you have to be true and honest with yourself. Yeah, that is so important, man. Um, as I've gotten older, one of the biggest things for me is to not be passive. Right. Um, I had, like, interesting Well, II growing up. I had a lot of roommates, right? I'm just using the roommate example where there was an issue, they left dishes out or something like that, right? And I wouldn't say anything. And then that small little thing, then snow. All right, now a bigger thing. Bigger thing. Bigger thing. I'm using a small example. Yeah, So where I should have just said Hey, clean your fucking dishes, right? You could be nice. Like you could be regulated. I spotted a nice but be nice, because if you don't handle those small things, they do turn into bigger things. And so now I've started to realize like. No, just don't be passive towards people, right? You can be kind and respect. Respect will be directing rap and, you know, and I

spk_1:   49:57
can see aspects of my life where I need more of that.

spk_0:   49:59
And I think everyone can. But once you acknowledge it, yeah, Fucking just do it because you're gonna feel so much better about you all your life. You know, it's kind of crazy is

spk_1:   50:09
I've noticed this. Like, sometimes when, Like, there's a person that you really care about, whether it's like a partner or like a family member, whatever. Like, and you know, those moments where we just like All right, fine. I'm gonna put it all on the table, like all my emotions. Definitely done. Done that with my boss, once or twice. God bless her soul. She's been really great crisis kid. Um, like, but you get zero emotional validation from it.

spk_0:   50:32
Why is that? No, no, it is. But like we've all had that moment, I already put my head on the table. Why don't I feel good about it? I don't I think I think that's kind of what you're speaking to. It's

spk_1:   50:42
like, Hey, I wasn't honest and direct. And then I express myself in a way that is either one unbecoming of who I am and not the person I want to be or to toe where I've given away all the power in

spk_0:   50:54
this situation. Yeah, it's because, um, you know, you've gone so far. Ah Long. Where if you would have handled it in the beginning, Yeah, I would. If it wouldn't be this, it wouldn't be this thing. And now, then you build up resentment in your own like self. Yeah, it's so true. And I've noticed in my life way all have to notice that we all have to respect

spk_1:   51:15
you know, what we have like, That's the thing is like, those moments are gonna happen until the day we're dead.

spk_0:   51:20
Yeah. I mean, I try Preach it. I talk about Don't be passive. Don't be passive. But of course, in my life, yes, I've gotten better at it. But are there things? Fuck, Yes,

spk_1:   51:29
you know it. And I think it's one of those things where you it goes back to reading the room. Hey, is this a moment where I really do need to address this? That way I can do this Or is it or is this a situation where if I come off too strong or if I come off to directing this, I don't want to sacrifice like, you know, it's kind of pick your battle type thing. I should search. Yeah, like so. Like, that's like the double edged sword with it. It's one of those things, like, Okay, is this You got to see the other person where they're at, like, Hey, how they not done the dishes Because like their mom's in the hospital. All right, sweetie, I'm not gonna make it feel like Are they not doing the dishes because they want to play video games for 77 hours? Okay, then I'm going to be like, Yo, did you can spare 30 minutes, yes, to fucking do the dishes and then go back to playing whatever game you're playing.

spk_0:   52:17
Of course, it's It's so true, and it's like pick your bed and those are both extremes. But it's true. It's so true, and it's like pick your battles. I mean, I'm starting to think of something on top of my mind right now where it's like my wife was just telling me about a about a situation that's going on. And I was like, No, you gotta fucking say you've got to say it and she's like, No, it's not No, no, no, no. And for me, my brain is like, No, don't be passive. But now I'm saying really know you pick and choose your battles. Yeah, and well, you have. I think

spk_1:   52:44
that's where we circle back to like. And this is a season of my life. I'm in. It's like even when emotions are heightened even when, like it seems like you have all this stuff going on, you gotta find a place to, like, show wisdom and things. And honestly, I'm not saying this for anyone else. I'm preaching to the choir on It's like I'm really I need to learn wisdom in something. I could be the smartest person world. I'm not like I'm way more charismatic than I am thin. I am smart. But, um, having wisdom in a situation is something that we can learn something that we can all do and train ourselves to be better on. Hey, if you came to me like as a friend Hey, man, this is really pissing me off and I was oblivious to it like one instant there, one way somewhere. Take it to be really defensive. Some one way to take it to be really open and honest. Oh my God, I had nowhere. D'oh! Which, like could be manipulative itself than in their science. You know what? I didn't think about that way. Would you mind if I took a moment to, like, really process? Yes, that's showing wisdom. And that's a very basic example. I feel like, um and it's so easy to say here now, in the moment, its

spk_0:   53:53
way friggin really fucking harder. Yeah, because you feel like people are like pointing fingers at you. And they're being an asshole. Where it's what no one wants to be the loser, like we all

spk_1:   54:03
hate losing weight. Anyone's like, man, I'm addicted to losing Lee and has that Gary the mindset that no losing sucks. Yes, it does like yeah, like maybe your dick's. It's like what you learn from losing. Hey, I'm all about being addicted to learning. If he wants a man I love to lose.

spk_0:   54:19
I'm like you're a person I don't trust. It's your you know, makes me think of, like, you know, all the successful entrepreneurs and businessmen, like, you know, some of the greatest lessons I've learned is from my failures That that I completely agree with you will never say Oh, my God. I fucking loved to fail. I think not. No, man, I really love bullshit. You know, in that moment and even in this moment now, I wanted to win. Yes, of course you would win. But I am smart enough to realize this is what I did wrong. And this is what I'm gonna do exactly that. That that I can take that. And that's wisdom. Right now, that is wisdom. That's wisdom. Okay, So I'm wanted. I'm gonna get to the point of when you fully were moving to California. Okay, I'm gonna take a one second break sized therapy. Do you think you have to go? I will, Probably. Yes. Actually, I shall. Oh, hi, Editor. Stop. No, don't stop. I stop it on. Don't pause the video, then. It's weird on that.

spk_1:   55:20
Uh well, you know what? Ignore this guy, because I am so ignorant

spk_0:   55:24
to everything. Hi. I'm a living. So loss when you're drinking laws. Yeah. Day, period. I love you so much because that lizard, right? Right, right, right. So, yeah, I just figured something out, too. I What happened? You breaking my shit? Yeah. You're here. Good. No, I don't think I am. I just don't know howto work technology. Oh, that's me. I'm No, not so much. There you go. Yeah, Very rich. Right. All right, all right. All right. Fuck. Yeah. Okay. So, um So I was asking about the moment that you moved to California to Los Angeles. What did that feel like?

spk_1:   59:25
Dude, it was exciting. Uh, I don't know. Like I was like, I remember the feeling I had. I was like, Yes, I'm finally here like this is exciting. And then I think I stayed my state in my apartment for three days. I didn't know anybody I knew What? Actually, I take that back. I knew one person moved when I moved out. Here is one fraternity brother, fraternity brother of mine that hey works in music, and he does his thing. And he had maybe been out here like a year tomb or or longer than I had. And, uh, he was like the first person and only person I knew. Um, but yeah, another thing that, like, I just got here, start doing my thing. I think like most kids. Ah, like I did it for the 1st 2 years. Like the kind of like the romanticism of like, l a goes away like, you're like, Yes. Like I'm here Bullet Bob in, like, six months. And you're like, Oh, I need a job. Yes. Mandating that savings did not last long as I thought I won. And Ah, yes, I I just started doing background work, man. It was easy. Easy fucking money. I got really lucky. Um, I got Taft Hartley in the union on a show called the middle That was on ABC. I got one line. I said, Are you okay? And I gave even share the Heimlich maneuver. Okay, um, I got then, like a cat on doing background work. I got lucky one more time, and I hope I got upgraded on Ah, Fox show called Bones again from doing background work. Uh, where David Boeri honest was directing the episode, and they had me. And so, like, you can go by and scream and see, and I could probably pull the picture of they like you wouldn't recognize me. They had me in eight hours and makeup for three days, and it was on the last day. Hey, man, you been a good sport. Why don't you just yell ball wounds, like at the late at Emily Deschanel? And they're like, Yeah, that's not making

spk_0:   1:1:12
the cut. Weeds want todo even really chill about this Rob Hall. Thanks. Like are you sure will make the cut our way. You seem like you seem like a good kid. Like it is the contract upgrades like it is like you

spk_1:   1:1:34
get a little bit more money and but, like, man is

spk_0:   1:1:36
that it is not gonna get it. You've been a good Yeah. Okay. After that, Like shit, You continue to

spk_1:   1:1:46
do your thing. I know I am gonna do my I don't need your permission. I'm a strong, independent woman.

spk_0:   1:1:55
As I keep on hitting this in my bill. You are a Oh, okay. A Okay, I turn my Yeah. Okay. So, um, but at that point were you, like, Okay, I got to do something else?

spk_1:   1:2:16
Um, no, like, so at that point, like I would like I remember, I was driving off the fox lot and it waas Drake. It just came out with views and still here, came on. Okay, this is, like, what, 2016 2017. And, like, I was like, man, like on the man like

spk_0:   1:2:37
that is so cool, like, fuck, yeah, like doing my thing

spk_1:   1:2:40
like like, Ah, and I got my first agent after that. And then it was like a year and 1/2 of nothing. So I fell into the trap of and I think a lot of like actors do this of like, man, once I get representation, all

spk_0:   1:2:54
right? Like, you do your thing, I'm just gonna sit back and wait for

spk_1:   1:2:56
it to rolling. That is not how it works. You still need to be out there hustling doing your thing. Um, it's important to have a team that, like pitches and, like, is active and, like, has relationships and doesn't think at the end of the day, though, like yell, you shouldn't put that sole responsibility on a rap. Like not until you get to the point of where, like, you're actually like doing something for sure. Yeah, like if you have to co star roles that should not be. He should not be your thought process. And

spk_0:   1:3:25
that has to be hard. I mean, being an actor and actress, Um, well, it's swinging. It's hard because you because

spk_1:   1:3:31
especially like if you're not from l. A. You don't know how the business side of it works. You have this like it is true for me. Like it was true for me. Until I start working at an agency like there is a naive ity about it, Like I know you just you don't know how it operates. Like, you don't know, like the pathways to actually like getting this thing. Like I thought when I first moved here, man, like, I don't know how to get into casting room. I don't know, like how this man, I'm just gonna try to meet as many people as I can and honestly, like sometimes, like when you're first starting off, that's your best bet. Just go out. Just meet people, meet as many people as you can. I would say about 75% of time, 80% of time. The people that you talk with have someone or two degree connection to someone who works in entertainment in Los Angeles is some capacity.

spk_0:   1:4:20
Is that one that's gonna benefit you? Who knows? Just be a good

spk_1:   1:4:23
fucking human being And like, hey, be passion about something. And you know what? Don't mitigate yourself. That is the biggest thing that I could say. Don't be like, man. We like I'm really trying to be an actor. Woo. No, we'll

spk_0:   1:4:35
do it. If you don't have confidence in yourself, then I'm not gonna have confidence in you at all. Like fuck that. Yeah, um, just own your shit. Like, you know,

spk_1:   1:4:43
I'm an actor. Like I'm doing my thing. I'm starting off brand new, but like, I'm really passion about this. This is what I love. This is how I see myself. That

spk_0:   1:4:49
excites me. Everyone knows what it's like to first start off. Everyone. Everyone, everyone. Yeah, that's such a great point. That's like a great sound bite is like, if you don't have confidence in yourself, how can I have confidence in you? Guess

spk_1:   1:5:02
what? Like at the end of the day, Like as much as like, we want to know about emotions and like being connected to human beings like yo, dude, if if if I'm gonna bring you into a business. Like, if I'm gonna, like putting if I'm gonna co sign for you as an artist and you're the one undercutting yourself. I spent like and I'm not saying, like if your Brad Pitt right, like Brad could Brad Pitt could have whatever emotion he wants, but he's still gonna fucking selling your next film. But if you're a no name person, you're two months in L. A or New York where the hell you are, Atlanta. And you're just like, man, I don't know. I'm just really insecure. All right? Tight like dude, I hope you work through your shit and yeah, that's gonna be it. Well, what

spk_0:   1:5:42
about what you do this? Well, like,

spk_1:   1:5:43
why would I? I mean, confidence. So what? So you can walk into a room that, like, I had to get a favor for, and then you're gonna be super emotional and you're not gonna know how to make your

spk_0:   1:5:53
choices because you can't make a choice about your own goddamn life. No eso true. That goes to so many different, you know, jobs in so many different businesses in so many different opportunity. You know that my current thought process. You do have a lot to learn, and we all have a lot to learn. But I for an individual that is not cocky but is confident. And there's a words. There's a huge difference. And it it's just there's this attraction, you know, this energy that we put off that allows us to suck in these others and individuals. And I was going to be funny. I'm definitely play. Haven't you get back to the story? Oh, wait. That agent and I was like a sweet man.

spk_1:   1:6:36
I just don't know if I really would be actually, which was true. I didn't because, like, I had that feeling like, hey, like, I don't This doesn't bring me the happiness I thought, but for a good while, there I was, that guy of, like, manly. Maybe I'm just like, well, like only just feel bad for me on and like, Dude, that is like, that is a person I never want to be again. So, like, I just got another job and I started thinking about other things. And again, I'm very blessed to have some really great people in my life. And, yeah, like I think I was working valet, like, the entire time working valet the entire time. And, uh, just hey, like, I'm interesting this, like, I don't think acting's for me. But you know what? Like I know, I love film TV movies like that's filled with love, film and TV. Like I love video games. Like Like I'm excited. I don't know what it is because I don't know it. I've been so separated from it, like I don't understand it, but I know I'm passionate about, and I want to find something within it. Um, so I was working valet doing that for a while. I was actually got to a point where it's about to accept a job in Dallas, Texas, that one of my fraternity brothers got me. Yeah, and I was very lucky that, like, right before that start happening, one of my good friends, Ashley, uh, who's married one of my best friend, Shawn. She's like, Hey, like, I know you're really passionate about this. Um, I'm gonna connect you with my first boss and ever and see there's anything there. So I got my start working at Jari, which is called Ellen Racket and Entertainment And she was like, the longest serving showing around the Oprah Winfrey Show. Creator Phil. Dr. Oz, we were working a red table talk when she eventually hired me and gave him my first assistant job. Um, I am not passionate about unscripted television. Like, I was not the guy watching, um uh, the hills. I think it was, Man, I really want to do that. I was watching the saving Private Ryan is the man on Fires, The O brother, where Art 1000 Devils advocates like that was like, Yes, that's my That's what I want to d'oh! So, like, I'm very appreciate for all that. And actually, my mentor today is someone that we shared an office with while I was there. So God really blessed me with with that individual. Simon, um, he's he's great. And I'm again. I'm very, very lucky to have people like that in my life, that's for sure. Um, so then, like once I found out Hey, like, unscripted really isn't for me. So open job application out there. And then I landed at the company that I'm currently at. And man, it will be two years on July night. Yeah, Congratulations. a year and 1/2. Just I just I just tried to my thing.

spk_0:   1:9:09
What? What is your thing, though? Your 10 to 14 hours a day when you first started, it was one thing. Now it's It's another thing s okay.

spk_1:   1:9:16
So I think, um, here's the thing about acting for me. This is not true for every actor. This is not true for any artist. For me and myself, acting was a very selfish endeavor. Okay, so the questions I would ask, How do I get me a job? How do I elevate myself? How do I make sure that I'm doing this the entire thing? This is what I love about representation. Everything is about other people, right? And it's not like it is mainly the clients. How do I elevate my clients are? And how do I elevate these actors to these certain points? But it's not just that. It's also hey, like the people that are in my immediate circle. Hey, this producer, that I know Hey, this manager, that I know this person, I can connect them with someone else as well that like that, they're really looking for and like in a selfish sense. Yeah, like, hey, that makes them come back to me. Yeah, for sure. Like that's the power aspect that we we talked about this at the same time. Like you want to find longevity, help people help other people out. Yeah, like you want to find You want to find a true passion about something like go help someone else in their endeavor And that is gonna give you a sense of joy that you have never experienced in your life. Hell, like and like, maybe it's like, not sure because l a And like, we have a bunch panhandlers. But, like, I remember like in Hope, Arkansas, where homelessness is not like a huge problem. Um, like if you bought someone launcher, you gave them five bucks and, like, the amount of you just got this great sense of I did something. Yeah, and that's a beauty. And now I get to have that since every single day that I help some well, that when my boss gets someone an appointment and I type it out for him and I send it that it's a made, especially for like, a developmental client That's very early on in the career because I know what that's like, You know, firsthand. Well, yeah. And it's, um that Dad just brings my life so much joy and so much, so much happiness.

spk_0:   1:11:16
Now, when you say this, do you truly believe it? What gives you

spk_1:   1:11:20
the inclination that I wouldn't Nothing, nothing at all. Right? Devil's advocate, this entire. So I think I only ask that because if you got a sense that there was an all right sweet, let's dive into that. But if you can honestly say no sitting across from me, you know that How do you deny that?

spk_0:   1:11:38
The reason that I ask right one? Because just doubles advocates this entire time theme of, like, our conversation. You know, I don't want to play both sides so down. So it's important to hear both sides, right? I can't be a good host, right? And just be so one sided about everything right for me. I want to bring on every single type of person I want to bring on. Absolutely This person, that person, Republican Democrat, blah, blah, blah. All right, I want the experience right, because when most people say, Oh, yeah, I want to, you know, do this to help other people. It's like no bullshit self serving. I truly feel well, I think I'm honored that you honor it and that you are both sides of the coin. You want to help yourself, but you also want to help them. Okay, So, like, it's kind of what I think,

spk_1:   1:12:22
what we might have been discussing this earlier before like we started. It is one of those things like, yes, do I want the nice things in life? Absolutely. I

spk_0:   1:12:30
think every single person does. No one says, Hey, man, like I want to live

spk_1:   1:12:34
in a studio apartment my entire life. Nobody says that Everyone picked pictures themselves in a nice house with two cars having what? Having a family or maybe not like being able to have the freedom of yes, what you want to do. And doing that like everyone has that And that is not a There is nothing selfish about wanting to better yourself. There is nothing, nothing wrong with that. What selfish is Hey, how can I take away from someone else's life to add to mine? And my entire job is adding value to someone else, which adds value to me, right? Yeah. So, like, it's a symbiotic relationship, in a way.

spk_0:   1:13:14
Yeah, it is. It is. And sometimes don't get me wrong. Like there are times

spk_1:   1:13:17
like, Hey, there's either one way, this way or one way that the other way. But either way, there's this fight with each other or not. Fight with thee. There's a fight together with each other that we are. Hey, we're on a team and we are. We're working towards a goal, which is this person's career, and we want to service. Then it's awesome. And I don't know that that gives my life purpose and meaning No,

spk_0:   1:13:43
for sure. Absolutely. You're getting toe up, lift other individuals lives right from, you know, the very start or sorry.

spk_1:   1:13:50
Stop. Do you need to put? Um no.

spk_0:   1:13:53
No, I don't I don't think so. Your computer says 10% battery remained. I don't know. It's actually not It's this right here. Never. I figured out because I don't know if you've noticed this podcast. I've been looking back here a couple times. Just f y I said stop. Yeah, yeah, yes. Oh, no, no, thank you so much. But I just figured out how Thio make that this work so I don't have to look back and forth and watch. Oh, shit. Yeah, I'm sure. Bish. Yeah. No way. Happy boom there. You're right. Okay, cool. Respect so much. Um okay. So I think just in life and what I've gotten from you is that you see both sides of the coin. You try stand that it's not always all about you. And it's not always all about them, but for your job to then take someone that is at the beginning of their career, wherever that in their career, and then help lift them up. It helps them. But it does help you guys as well for your team.

spk_1:   1:14:57
If this developmental client becomes the next Jessica Chastain, then yeah, that does that. Help me? Absolutely. But our service provided that to like it was, and it was not just hey, getting someone appointed is also offering guidance and creating a plan. Now what? All the details of that are again, I'm still learning, and I'm still figure out. And I'm sure maybe that there will be a time in my life where I look back at even this conversation may man I was maybe misguided in something. But for who I am now, this is what I can say is And And I know that this will be true for however long I live. This is what I'm passionate about. And this is why I love. And this is what I want to become a nerd in like, Yeah, this is the thing that, like, I love that all have that aspect of and whether that sports or entertainment or hello, that's accounting. Wanting to be a lawyer, wanting to be a doctor, wanting to be a a plumber and work out a

spk_0:   1:15:56
trade school wanting to be a farmer. Everyone has something about their like that they're extremely interested in. They do. Unfortunately, not a lot of people their job, bro. How dare you? How dare you ruin the inner sanctum? No, but, you know, unfortunately, most people talk with my hands. Don't get follow. They were prepared with the paper towels. Yeah, I waas for everyone

spk_1:   1:16:19
listening and not watching. I I because I'm a degenerate.

spk_0:   1:16:23
How fucking dare you spill on my white fucking table? A man. But you know that most people around the world they don't get the follow their passion. It was true

spk_1:   1:16:32
then and that is I mean, honestly, like I'm very lucky and blessed that I was given the circumstances to be able to do that, where many people in this world, and even in this country and in this state and in this city, they don't get the

spk_0:   1:16:48
same opportunity, they don't, they don't. And then you have the other side of the coin of people saying, Well, you know, I didn't have this opportunity but I still made something of myself, right? So it's like, Yeah, I mean, so it's It's one of those things like Andi. People could tie this politics. I

spk_1:   1:17:03
was tied to the human experience like is one of those things when you're super interested about something and you find yourself like as human being ham interest in this is that confidence right? Or is that thing You should have some sort ability. There's gonna be nothing that stops me at doing what I want to d'oh. Everyone's been dealt a different medical cards and and I don't care how or what what anything becomes that she's always gonna be the case. That's just that's part of life. It's been true from the beginning of time. It will be true until this world is over. Ah, but there should be an undying fight within you about something, Something in some ass. I'm not saying that has to be true for everything. But at least in one area, there has to be something where you're like. You know what? Even if I don't know it, even if I'm so separated from it, Even if I don't know what the fuck I'm doing, I am going to do everything in my power to do this. And I'll see. I know that I have this aspect about me and representation. I don't. I am I qualified to represent another human being at this time. No, I am not. I am still learning at the same time. I know I'm passionate about this. And there will be nothing in this world or in any others that will stop me from obtaining that goal I love. No, we all. We all have something that we're that passionate. Yeah, for sure. Even if you don't know what that is, there will come a day that you know your passion could be man, I just want to fucking vacations my entire fucking life. I get that. But nothing's going to stop you from finding a way to do it

spk_0:   1:18:35
exactly. Whatever the fuck you got to do to make it possible in some people turn into, you know, blogging their experience. And then they blow up that way. Whatever the fuck it is, right? It doesn't matter because we live in a day and age where we have the Internet, where we have social media where you can do so many things that you've never been able to pass the

spk_1:   1:18:53
past What I mean, Hell, even in our in our left in the past 30 years, like it went from like I just felt like the past 30 years have been 300 in terms of technology. It's

spk_0:   1:19:04
nuts. Think about like the next 30 years, like Jesus cry in our lifetime. I phone might be obsolete by that. Of course, I remember when a Motorola razor was the coolest thing that have. Did you ever have the sidekick? I don't

spk_1:   1:19:16
know, man. I always see we didn't have

spk_0:   1:19:18
it like that. You didn't have it like that. I'm only five years, but that's crazy. I'm only five years older than you. Damn right. And

spk_1:   1:19:26
if you would have said one out of believe you. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:19:28
I, uh But but But you when we started talking, there is something that I said I would talk about a little bit later on the podcast, and that is natural. Oh, yes.

spk_1:   1:19:43
Oh, I have been OK, so, um, I told you I was a kid with a lot of energy. Um, So when I was, what about 45 maybe maybe a little bit younger. There was a point where I would be up for 24 to like 30 hours is bouncing off the walls, and then I would crash for one day. So the first psychologists that my parents took me to said, Oh, um, at five years old said, Oh, your child's manic depressive. What kid at five years old is fucking manic depressive? Zero. That person is bad at their

spk_0:   1:20:14
jobs are like, I don't know, we're gonna get the video. So we win that. And this Granted, this was the nineties were like, Oh, everyone has This thing is the end all bill. But they were there, right? No,

spk_1:   1:20:27
Like he has a PhD like this kid is just super hyper active, like it's hard for him to focus. And that's just what is from everything that you're telling me If he's if he really is, like bouncing off the walls for 24 goddamn hours and then crashing for, like, 15. I think that's pretty like solid evidence. I mean, I'm no psychologist, but, like, I think that's what the psychologist said. I don't know I was a child. I don't know what she said. I just know I sit at the age of six. That's when um, my parents put me on Adderall. Okay, Um, and I've been taking Adderall since I was

spk_0:   1:20:59
six years old. Now, looking back, right, because I I was given Adderall at, like, nine or 10 years old. Yeah. Um, do you ever watch that

spk_1:   1:21:09
movie the bling ring? No, I didn't s So it's like this film is Emma Watson Theresa Formiga on? I'm sure mispronouncing your name. One other person in anyways, uh at what was it like 2017. And like, there was a scene in that film. It was about when, like, there's, like, three high school kids or for whatever. How many? They went and robbed all those celebrity homes. Okay. Yeah, like one of them was about to have a movie like Produced by, Like, Ryan Seacrest or something like a Siris on MTV, produced by Ryan Seacrest. And he was like, Oh, I had no

spk_0:   1:21:42
idea I can't do this. Um, there's a scene in

spk_1:   1:21:45
that movie where the moms like I

spk_0:   1:21:48
come down, we're gonna have, like, our morning, like in the South

spk_1:   1:21:52
would be a prayer session that I think she called it like a validation session. So

spk_0:   1:21:55
all right. Like, here's everyone's, like, five milligram Adderall. That's kind of what I got. Not like it Wasn't

spk_1:   1:22:01
that, like, cheesy and like, fake. Yeah, but it'd be like, Yo, every morning you wake up, you d breakfast

spk_0:   1:22:06
And, like, Hey, here's your medication. Yeah, you know, fuck, man. For me, it was it got to a point where, after all, made me feel like I was put in a box and oh, yeah, that's what it does. I would fucking chicken and then save it. I remember there was a time when I was at my door and I had, like, 300 of them on, Ben. I started dealing drugs and the head in vet school. That's pretty much how the story starts. Had, like a Actually, it's probably correct. I think about when we all started, you know? Hey, I'm not in college. Like when finals came around and I was like, because I I didn't

spk_1:   1:22:39
take it as much like I would just be like yellow Do I have? Like, um, I'm gonna pull this all nighter. Yeah, all right. Pop it like that's that's best what I would do. And then, like, I would still have, like, 30 saved up from, like, not using them. And guess what? Hey, man, that bank accounts looking low. Yo, And, dude, Oh, my God. I had to buy Admiral one time black market because, like, I ran out And do they charge, like, $14 a pill here in L. A. I like Jesus Christ. Like if I was taxing somebody during finals time are charged in seven or eight and they're like, Oh, my God, the audacity of you didn't even give me that's number. Well, it's finals like yo is a hot commodity right now. Like what's up? Like I'm a

spk_0:   1:23:15
salesman what's going on substance. But it's true. Uh, the only thing that worries me right about long term use of admirals wouldn't does to the brain, because one thing that I started it realizes when I did start taking it again on was that I would kind of short circuit on shit, and I don't know if that's because I was getting older or what the fuck it was. But I know there's some studies that are like, Yeah, can lead to Alzheimer's And there's some stairs like, No, that's bullshit. But I do know that long term use of stimulants can lead to these things, now, is it? If you take, you know, the recommended dose, is it going to be okay? And so those things I'm always think about any medication that

spk_1:   1:23:55
it ever take? Yeah, and I wish I could speak on that. Unfortunately, I did not go to medical school. So there you are. You, I don't know, like, here's here's kind of the point of my life. I'm in. I'm in a point where hey, I'm chasing something and like that's where 100% of my time goes to like I just recently started dating someone so like, maybe like 15 to 20%. My time goes to them as well, but like too much. It's too much of this business man of business because it's business. But no, like, it's some like to make it about, like, go back to Adderall like it's, uh, yeah, you should never You should never like dew on healthy doses like Take the recommended Mount. Honestly, that's what I do like, If it's a tough day, then I will like taken extra one you like what? And even technically I'm is you're supposed to take two a day, but I've always taken one, and then my kill, like if it's lunchtime like 23 o'clock, then sweet Hey, man, I have a shit ton of work I've got to get done and like, this is overbearing. Boom. Yeah. Then you're back in his own doing thing, and that's okay for me because that's how I

spk_0:   1:25:02
am. Is your choice to it doesn't matter if my choice or

spk_1:   1:25:05
not like, you know, you should never do something that self deprecating to yourself for sure, like I don't care what your goal is. If you're damaging yourself, don't fucking do that because that's stupid as fuck. Don't do that like I'm never gonna be like, You know, it's kind of like, if you're like, man, I love someone like and you love a heroin addict being like, Yo, dog, I love you. So here's some hair. One. No, you fucking don't love them

spk_0:   1:25:30
because you just gave them heroin. Like, but hold on. If they're DFB, if they're the individual, right, you're the love one. And and you took the heroin sack from them, right? I'm just painting a picture right now. Of course I'm in there detoxing, and they're just fucking uncontrollable. People faced us all the time, right now. Yep. And you get you get you get them help. I mean, especially like with me and my opiate addiction. You know, growing up after my father passed away, it was very challenging. And my wife girlfriend back then would take my shit all the time, and she would never fucking give it back to me. But I do wonder that you know, the individual that sees their loved one, especially the first couple times detoxing and how bad it is. Um, I don't think it makes them a bad person. You know, no one's saying that after the third time. The fourth time. The 10th time. No, don't not give them that shit is that they need to exit. This is what I'm

spk_1:   1:26:19
saying. Like if you are so like what really is. So what's love to you, right? What is love to you? Um, I know

spk_0:   1:26:28
it's a big place of big questions. That's very big, is what I would. It's nothing that you have to think about, my friend. It's something that is unconditional regard. The same ends, good or bad, are are are easy or hard. Amen. Right on. And it's someone that, or someone or something that you just get that it's someone or something that you're willing to give your life for, right, right. And not think twice about it is not a fucking thought.

spk_1:   1:26:50
So can I focus on one aspect that you just said something that's not easy or hard? Right? Um, this is what we know. That's true about life. Life is easy. Sometimes in life is really fucking hard sometimes. And it's different from multiple people. What's the easy thing to dio like? Like we're gonna issues example of opiates or hair one or whatever you want to insert here. Yes, If you say you love someone that for me when I hear that, that means I want the best possible life for you. Yeah, that I want to make sure that you accomplish all of your dreams that, hey, you don't put your life on hold for me. I don't put my life on hold for you. We are a team, We're partners and we're fighting for each other and we always have each other's back. And that means, yes, I do love you unconditionally. No matter what your false are my want what I always say, the partners this I don't care if you burn down a school. I don't care if you do this if you murder somebody like I know it isn't And I don't want to say I don't care. Like those were really terrible things like, and it's not gonna be easy, but I will always work hand in hand with you. One thing I can't do is cheating. Yeah, like if it's ever been like, hey, like I'm emotional investing, you yada yada yada always have your back. We're gonna work through these things. It's not gonna be easy. It's gonna be really fucking hard. But I'm gonna be here for you. The one thing that's like, you know, Hey, I wipe my hands clean, is cheating like

spk_0:   1:28:06
I got that. Yeah, I got that. Doesn't mean that the individual doesn't love, you know, But for you, that's fuck No, I won't deal with it. And that's that, right? That's like my

spk_1:   1:28:16
one end All be all

spk_0:   1:28:17
that is just a misconception that because what happened, Chief, But they don't love,

spk_1:   1:28:20
but tie back to what we were talking about. That way we're not chasing to meeting rabbits. It's, um yeah, I just I don't I don't like Yes, there are moments of weakness and human beings are human beings and we're all in perfect. We all have our faults. We all have our things like, I'm a people pleaser. This what I am like I want to be about I am validated by other people's emotions. Like that is who I am is a human being. Guys especially Maybe I don't know. I just know that's true for me. And it's one of those things, like, but to me, it's someone like if someone said If I say I love someone who's addicted to heroin giving them here one is not showing them what that's enabling for. May like I I think every pretty comfortable in saying like if we took away like the emotions with it and we were outside looking in, I think most people would agree that yeah, like if you truly say you love someone, you wouldn't enable a negative thing. So

spk_0:   1:29:18
I I want to point out to two factors When I said that's guys, especially with validation, the guys that I know and I know myself personally like I don't need you know, yourself personally. How is he? No, like being a rebel. My my wife doesn't need to buy me fucking a 1,000,000 things were getting this right. If you just give me validation, like if I do something good and you say Proctor was a really good job, right? Is that is gonna bring me more happiness than fucking a something else, right? I just didn't want things. People just because that's one of them. Because I know women are like that too. So do background. And then the other one backtrack is what I meant about people who don't identify as men and women drive. Well, God, dude can't keep up with all that. I'm sorry, but whatever I did not whatever, but okay, welcome to the political realm. Maybe I was told that I'm not PC the other day about some things, but she was an amazing person, and she has my eyes about some things that I never thought about. But I'm not gonna go down that rabbit hole right that we'll just use of sneaking into the rabbit

spk_1:   1:30:16
hole. Do. That's part of the human experience. It is hearing someone else's story. I mean, like like I never thought about

spk_0:   1:30:21
that. There's nothing wrong with no, no. There, There, there, there really is not. And I do think that I'm just gonna go down this rabbit hole here. We got a C culture. Ah, lot of people like that's fucking stupid. And that's dumb. And and I think a lot of Allah, I think some of it is like, way too much. But what I do think as a society is it pushes us in a direction to start thinking about things that we've never thought about before. and then it pushes society to that next phase. Because I go back to that Comanche story that was talking about earlier where in the 18th 18 seventies my God, things were so different and it was not that long ago. It was just a couple people ago. Like Joe Rogan says it like he goes like the 18 fifties or like America, has been around for like, three or four people, which is not a lot of people. A society was so different. And so what this PC culture does is that it makes us better human beings. Long term. I do believe that with there will be a day where there is no wars, I do believe that maybe wars will shift to cyber warfare. But as far as killing many women,

spk_1:   1:31:22
did you d'oh! Have you ever watch South Park? I mean, yeah. Do you remember when, like oh, there's an episode where Cartman really wanted, like, this video game console? I don't remember that. All right, so there was one where he really won this video game console and he ends up like getting a time machine like to go forward in the future to like be able to like Mate

spk_0:   1:31:44
Man two weeks like all like that's too long away like I'm gonna get this time machine. I go through this elaborate

spk_1:   1:31:51
thing. It's time machine. He propels himself so far in the future, where religions non existent but war still happen over like, atheistic like principal principal and like It's So like when I hear like, there's not that many wars. No, like, that's kind of the human nature, like fight with each other. And that's been true. Like if you're religious like look, it came enable like both, then we're fighting for God's favor. If you're not religious,

spk_0:   1:32:16
go back to like the beginning moments of time when man discovered fire, like was alive like they were clubbing each other

spk_1:   1:32:21
to death. Like that's survival of the fittest. That is basic human, animalistic nature. So, like, I don't believe that like that there will never be any wars because there always will be.

spk_0:   1:32:33
I think wars will change. Wars of killing men and women will change better. Toby. More cyber warfare. I just if you study his, there's gonna

spk_1:   1:32:42
be a lot more online bullying

spk_0:   1:32:44
nation. You know what? I'm probably you North Korea. You're fucked. Now guess what we're doing. This podcast at your place. That's where Kim Jong Eun is aiming not in mine and to bring it all the way back around on its A sponsored by the North Korean government. Stupid dealing with a heroin addict, a gonna be dealing with a heroin addict or an opiate addict, right? The loved ones, for the first time for the first time, love One's going through that experience. Um, it's a learning experience. And maybe those first couple of times they make maybe not the best of choices, and they enable them. Right?

spk_1:   1:33:25
All right. So I got any scale human being, so make good

spk_0:   1:33:28
choices ever. But enabling the person who's made any mistakes in his life doesn't mean that they don't love them. They're just not educated. And then hopefully down the road. Then we grow together, exalting up. Exactly. And if you're dealing through something like that, you know, addiction, right? Which is a fucking beast. Anyone that says that it's not some form of mental illness and that it's a fucking choice. Sure, everything fucking ignorant? I'm sorry they are not dealing with it. Me have dealt with it. My whole fucking life. It feels like right? It's It's a lot more than just a

spk_1:   1:34:03
e, I mean, And you know this better than I do. People like to come compartmentalize things because it makes it easier Course. Oh, wow, you're just a fucking attic. No, that's not sure. Like there there are so many different fastest. That's and things that I came in to speak on because I don't fully comprehend it that effect that person's brain. And I've never lived in that situation. And I'm very fortunate that I've never had, like, this strong addiction to anything like, I mean, maybe

spk_0:   1:34:30
I take that back looking for a new one. I'm watching, I'm smoking my jewels slash Soren and I am very honestly, like I was addicted to seek out. So I'll take back my previous comment. I was addicted to cigarettes for seven years, and the first thing that got me off of it was like a

spk_1:   1:34:43
Vape. But now, like it's been three years and like Vaping, but like I haven't been touching cigarettes and every single human being has advice. If you don't have a revised your person, I don't trust you because that means you're lying about

spk_0:   1:34:55
something, Of course. And most people are lying to themselves anyways. But I mean, hey, dog, right here, way. All are all guilty of that. All right. And so I'm gonna bring it all the way back to your story as we start to slowly wrap this up. Um, what's the next five years like? That's a great

spk_1:   1:35:10
fucking question, man. I I wish I had insight to it.

spk_0:   1:35:14
If you could look into a crystal ball, where would it look like? I

spk_1:   1:35:16
mean, honestly, like all that I do now in this current time is I wake up in the morning like at, like, any time between, like, four and 6 a.m. and then, like a shower get ready. I go to the office and honestly, it, like there's nowhere else I'd rather be. I hope in the next five years that, like, I just I feel like I said earlier. So I just started dating this girl and I really like her and like, I hope something develops from that. But like, I am a little old school in the sense like I want to get married and I wanna have a family and I want to have, like, the America I don't know, like I wanna have the American dream of, like the house with, like, kids and a dog and like and do that stuff like I don't know, like that's like when I think about my personal life in five years, like Oh, like there's something about, like building a family and like building this of whatever that may be like, Maybe it's adoption. Maybe it's like biological. Maybe it's whatever I don't know. I think I hope I really hope I fall madly in love with somebody. Um, where there's this person, Mike or whoever it may be like I hope is this person because right now I'm biased. Yes, of course. Um, yeah. I hope that I worked really hard and that, like, I am able to become an agent and that I am able to like, do great things and so,

spk_0:   1:36:28
like, it's kind of hard to answer like I right now, I think I just saw

spk_1:   1:36:31
me good path and I'm trying to stay on that path, and I do. I'm trying to get out of my own way.

spk_0:   1:36:36
I respect that and you said some things like old school, though, Have you no wife and kids? All that, but it but it But it's not what I think is old school, And that is that if you have kids too young oven age. Right? And I've had some people on here that I've had parents that they fuck. They were, like, 18. And their parents was fucking amazing, right? They kids at 18. Well, that's just I mean, it's also Arkansas, so yeah, well, that's actually where they're from. Damn. I'm gonna eat that shot. Remember, Aska? But whatever the same, Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say, Is it in L. A. You know, I don't even know what it's about. But seriously, what has changed is the thought process of having kids at a later age. Because for my wife and I, we we don't have kids yet. And yes, we will have kids, but I'm 33 years old, right? But it has allowed us to grow together to follow her own dreams to fucking and your human, right,

spk_1:   1:37:28
Like you're human being with, like, dreams and accomplishments that you want to dio and like things that you want experience. I'm a big believer. Just because you have kids doesn't mean you put your life on

spk_0:   1:37:37
hold. No, I know, but a lot of pain. But it is a lot of responsibility, a lot of responsibility. And it's hard to balance all that. I could have never had kids at 22 years old. 25.

spk_1:   1:37:46
I'm 28 I have no idea. Like what I would do. I know the greatest thing in this life that I could be as a father. Yeah, I know that, Griff, For for a fact. Honestly, if my whole life was being Mr Mom, I would be okay. Well, like I get it, I I I don't know what my life will be, you know? But I do know this. I do know that I have Very I've had amazing people in my life that I dig for granted every day. And Mike, sometimes it takes me stopping myself to say, Wow, I'm doing the thing that I love. I have a bunch of people that love me in my life. It doesn't matter what all the bullshit that like, I think I'm going through. I'm very blessed. I'm very lucky. And I take that for granted every day. And honestly, like, this is a moment where I'm having a summit of like, man, there's a lot of bullshit. I'm very, very lucky, You know, I'm so lucky. You are? Yeah. Do we take things for granted? Yeah. We can always think about what we don't have. What? All that next thing? Honestly, I just What I'm learning is to be more appreciative in the moment. Yeah, that's good, man. And I'm very appreciative of you Do, like, even a really good friend. For what? Like the past year and 1/2? Two years? Yeah.

spk_0:   1:38:57
Thank you so much. And I, um I just appreciate you coming on here and sharing your story and being so open about so many.

spk_1:   1:39:05
Dude, I told you. And I guarantee you after about 10 15 minutes, you might hit next episode. But no, no, no. But I I appreciate you do me the favor of allowing me to come on. A man like whatever happens with this podcast like, I really enjoy what you're doing and you're making connections with really human beings. And that's that's something that's invaluable because we're all searching for that for like we're all searching for a shared experience, right? That I don't feel alone in something. Absolutely. No one wants to feel alone. And I guarantee you to anyone listening, whether it's five people or five million, you're not alone. Even if you feel that way, because we all d'oh! And yo, it's one of those things. Just reach out to somebody and someone's there. And guess what? We're both always here to listen and talk and correspond because we've been that kid, that teen, that young adult, that adult that has felt alone. And we know it sucks. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:40:02
I'm gonna leave it at that because that was That was beautiful. And exactly what you just said is

spk_1:   1:40:06
good. And I hope you're not watching

spk_0:   1:40:07
because my face breaks camera. So, uh, and he's what? Oh, doesn't keep on fighting. It fucking shattered women. I need to get a wider angle. Shit, you son of a bitch! All right, people, Thank you so much for listening to back to your story. Have a good night. Peace out