The Legend Of Dave Navarro & The Red Hot Chili Peppers At Woodstock 99 With Dave Lee!

Brock Goldberg:   0:06
from the land of mystery with dreams become reality Always listening to stories from the past, the present and the future. This is back. All right, All right, All right. There we go. Really? Sounds good. You. Thank you. Ah, Big shout out to Mike Duke off for taking care of it. So how we doing? Great. I I want to thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It means a lot to me. Um, I remember when we were speaking in Vegas at the the Maroon Five concert, and and And I brought it up to you. I was just thinking about my own. Ask him you just because every time I met you just showed incredible stories about your your your life. And I was like, Fuck, I got to bring this guy on and Ah, and ensure shit. You said. Yeah, well,

spk_0:   1:15
you know, it's funny. I like to tell these stories. It's hard. It's hard not to be accused of name dropping, because it's just that, you know, people like, Oh, you dropped. Well, that's just really the part of the story. Uh, I'm sorry, Ozzy Osbourne was that I'm not gonna change his name? No, no, no. You know, and it sounds. It sounds so. Maybe a disclaimer here. There will be a lot of name dropping. Yes, but I'm not doing it to drop the name. Now it's easier to say who it is.

Brock Goldberg:   1:46
That's ISAT. You know, it's not name dropping, your sharing stories, and people enjoy it. I mean, it's in

spk_0:   1:53
Joe, and it's fun for me. Todo I realized joy because it's fun to see people's reactions. Perhaps someone, and a lot of times, too. It's fun to talk about, like people have their own ideas of what these certain people are like. And it's fun to like, Oh, yeah, that guy's really cool.

Brock Goldberg:   2:08
Our loot guys do not so much that there we go. So so kind of just kind of taking it back from the beginning. Where did you grow up?

spk_0:   2:20
I was born in Van Nuys, right over the health.

Brock Goldberg:   2:23
Some girl growing up in Van Nuys. You? Is that kind of where you stayed or did you kind of Yeah,

spk_0:   2:28
I lived in the valley, probably up until almost 2000 0 shit. Yeah, Well, when I was real little, we moved to San Francisco for a short time. Okay, but, um, we didn't stay there long. My dad was a bit of a Charlotte. Oh, no. Yes. So we didn't spend much time there. He was a sales guy. Every guy was kind of bounced around a lot, but it was almost always Van Nuys. Burbank area. You know, when

Brock Goldberg:   2:52
you were younger, What did you, like, aspire to

spk_0:   2:55
be? Oh, wow. That's a good question. There was my brother in law's dad was a carpenter, Okay? And he said that Ah, he was a great guy. He's passed away. He was wonderful. But he said that I should be a plumber because all you need to know his shit flows down immediately. Well, yeah, and I was kind of like, Okay, maybe I'll be a plumber. But, um, I I was always interested in music, even when I was a little kid, you know, I was born in 1960 s o. I grew up. Um um, you know, with the monkeys and the Beatles and lost up at four older sisters. So loud. There was beautiful records everywhere, and Paul McCartney's picture was circled on every beat. I'm sure so, yes. So So that got me interested. Of course. The monkeys, You know, watching it as a kid, you know, the girls chasing him. I was like, Wow, that's gotta be where if you're hiding from girls, you're doing somewhere

Brock Goldberg:   3:56
during that era because, you know, my generation we don't understand what it was like when the Beatles came out. What was that like? I mean,

spk_0:   4:05
I can tell you one of my early memories is involved with the San Francisco thing. When I was real little at some point, we had to go back up there for something. And I remember my dad having us on the car and going as fast as he could to get back to Burbank because the Beatles were gonna be on Ed Sullivan and they wanted to get home in time to see that wasn't, You know, you could have recorded no DVR missed. Yeah. So, um, I can vaguely remember that. Or maybe I remember my mom talking about Yeah, like that. My dad was just in the station wagon, going as fast as he could so that we'd get

Brock Goldberg:   4:45
so crazy. I mean, this generation doesn't understand what that was. Light, No DVR no TiVo. Not none of that shit right now on the Internet and that nothing in, um So you you watched it or you didn't. And with the Beatles, that being so iconic, even your parents, you know, rushing home. Yeah,

spk_0:   5:03
and they weren't, you know, like, rock music fan. But they were just everything to every almost everyone, you know, really huge.

Brock Goldberg:   5:11
That's absolutely even even to this day. I mean, I, uh you know, I'm 33. I don't know how the younger generation below me perceives the Beatles, but I know my generation. And, like the Millennials and beyond, uh, man, the Beatles Air are one of the most iconic. It's not the most iconic bands of all time. And what they only did music for, like, 10 years

spk_0:   5:31
now, isn't that funny? You know, statistic that I saw guns and roses. Okay? It took them. I don't know how many years to put out an album where there was a period where they were working on an album for something like 10 years, and I read a statistic that the Beatles had formed changed the world and broken up in less time than it took guns and roses to complete that album. I have spaghetti incident whenever I forget what it was called for. Yep, Serie. That's all of that tanto span of time that the Beatles, in less time than that, had done what they did. That is incredible, man. And I get people a lot, you know, because as we're going to go into people that I get to be around, Of course I'm acquainted with who people would think. Many of them are iconic in their own way, of course, but people like is there anybody that really like you get starstruck, you know? And I got to tell you, I've stood right next to Paul McCartney. I've stood next to him three times. The fun thing that I can not talk to him. I speak toe get I'm right now. I'm getting goose bumps I'm talking about. There was one time where it was even uncomfortable. It was me and him standing alone next to each other. And I know he's just waiting for me to say, and I'm just like,

Brock Goldberg:   6:48
Oh my gosh

spk_0:   6:51
and I still it was just a few years ago. The last time I did right by him, and I just can't do it. And he's the most approachable guy in the world. I stood there and watched people walk up to him. Go. Hey, nice to meet you. I'm so and so And I'm just standing there, like, you know,

Brock Goldberg:   7:06
like, can'ts insane. I mean, especially for someone with your career and the things that you've done the beauty. But, I mean, he's, you know, Sir Paul McCartney, man. I mean, I can understand that,

spk_0:   7:16
but he's so friendly, you know? I mean, like, I talked to this. Like, there's people I know that you're involved with him a little, Okay? And I tried to kind of hint around that maybe they'll introduce me to him and they don't ever buy like this. He had this girl that was in charge of security one place where I was near him years ago. And she goes, Just walk up to him and introduce yourself. He's been a beetle for a long

Brock Goldberg:   7:41
time, you know that? Yes. Did you see him on the James Cardone has That was correct. Tacular man, that was so fucking cool. I just to see him. I mean, what is he in his mid seventies. Something just to see him out there freaking doing it. I mean, it's just an incredible had so funny that you can't you gotta you gotta make it a plan and your head. Next time you get around, you're just gonna fucking do it. I just gotta do absolutely just just rip the band aid off. So, um, so, So, growing up in Van Nuys, growing up in the valley, did you play in bands? What was that like?

spk_0:   8:14
I didn't at first, I took a tar lessons. My dad got me an acoustic guitar for Christmas and forced me to take lessons that I didn't enjoy. And so there was a guitar around all the time. Then I got to high school, and I still have that guitar. And in high school was where I started to kind of get interested a little more. I started listening. Thio. Yes. Okay. And that really, really got me going, you know, just like everybody was listening to Jethro Tellem leads up on everything. Course which I should have listened to Maura and should have paid more attention. I kind of regret it now because I was like the yes God every day. I had a yes tee shot on. I wouldn't talk about anything, but yes, you know. What was that? It just was my thing. Okay. Okay. But Chris Squire Okay, the bass player for yes, he was got me interested in playing bass. And so I was like, I remember somebody telling me they used to be the Recycler newspaper. And there was ads for musicians. Somebody said, Go look at that. Look how many people are looking for guitar players? Nobody. There's, like, five or six ads for guitar puts. Everybody needs a bass player. Yeah, you know, and I'm just like you, right? You know? So I wouldn't got a base and started playing bass, so that was kind of my instrument, but yeah, I started playing in bands. Holidays. I was about 20 0 shed a little younger. I was a little I was, like, 18 and I had a base, but I don't really know how to play it. Okay. Was kind of trying to trying to play along with Yes song. It's like, you know, your first drives to the moon. I mean, it's like, Come on, you know? Yeah. Good. Difficult for sure. And so I was struggling with that. And actually, this guy that knows Mike Duke off. He's okay. A guy named Kenny Rich in the Valley. He owns a keyboard repair, and he does all analog keyboards. Nice, everyone. And, uh, but at the time, he was just a guy that worked s I r and lived in my sister's apartment building. And she goes, Oh, this guy, Kenny, you know, he plays piano. He says he needs a bass player. When are you gonna go, Nancy? I don't know what a on she was just coming down, you know? And then, of course, she gets him on the phone with me, and he's like, Come on down, Come on. You know, and wow. So I get over there and because I don't know what to do and he starts showing me what the play's like, we'll play these notes, you know, start some plan along with him. And he was rehearsing S a r. And he was a songwriter and stuff, and he had some songs and I learned him with him, and so it was really cool. And then I went toe, I just You know, I was like 18 You know, I wanted to playing a metal bear. His stuff is kind of or a B. And I told him I'm Morris a kidney. You know, I go there's this band I want to join. You know, that's happened, Northridge. And they called forcefield. Okay. And, you know, they play like, all kinds of cool stuff, like Russian Zeppelin. That's your Yeah, you know, And he goes really mad and he goes, you know, whatever. Go ahead. Have fun playing asi d c and backyard parties and received. And I just said Okay, I'm sorry you feel that way. It's like, whatever just do do your thing, you know? And so I went and joined this band and I kid you not. I remember when it struck me, like a month and 1/2 later, I'm in a backyard party and received a wedding. A C course, of course. But I was having a good time. Yeah, absolute was a really fun. And, uh and we did just all kinds of cover songs, and we played all these parties everywhere in the valley was so fun.

Brock Goldberg:   11:47
Wow. That's that's Ah, that's phenomenal. I'm really excited about this one. So s so So you started doing that, and then you look back like this dude is frickin right, right? Yeah. Yeah, he's right.

spk_0:   11:56
But at the same time, I was having fun, That's all. That I was right to you? No, no, of course. What's funny is I know can now and you know, Mike, Duke of Nose and just about anybody that plays keyboards knows Ken Rich audio, you know? Sure. And I love to see him because I didn't see him for years, you know? And he's still, you know, every time I say we get around here like he told, tells people he's like, this guy's the greatest bass player on, and I'm like, you just say that what you talk. I really never mastered the instrument, you know, I got so I could play songs. Sure, I could play, you know, songs. But I've never had that creative genius or whatever to really play original stuff.

Brock Goldberg:   12:43
I get it. But you know, something obviously must have happened, because your your entire life has now been surrounded by music, you know, which. Thankfully, we're just fucking phenomenal. After that point, you're playing the backyard parties. What was next?

spk_0:   12:58
Oh, next. Then you gotta play in an original band. You've been doing all this. Well, now you wanna be a rock star. So you've got to do original stuff. And I found these guys in, um, in San Gabriel Valley that needed a bass player. And they were called hostage, okay? And they were getting ready to do, like, the troop adore and yeah, all she loves the country club and recede in all that stuff. And they were all original, and it was serious. Not, you know, we're not We're doing this for real. And so that was really when I got into it at the time I worked at Prudential Insurance in in Woodland Hills. So you during insurance? Well, no, I was I was working in the home, are okay, but like, it was great because I had a full time job with benefits and everything, and I'm playing in the band at night, and you were is perfect. And there was no dress code at Prudential, so I could have longer shade. Whatever I want Hal Bree, probably about 23.

Brock Goldberg:   13:59
Damn. Okay. 2023. What ended up happening with that van.

spk_0:   14:03
Well, you know, we played all the clubs. We got involved with this kind of a deal where we were making a demo and then Oh, God. Oh, and then I got married, all right? And they were really bummed about that. So they kept me out there like, we can't have anybody married and are bandits. All. Oh, shit. So they kicked me out, but then they asked me back. No fucking way. Yeah, they were like, Okay, well, you can be married and be backs. Are you serious? But then the marriage started going south. Okay, okay with them. So it was kind of funny, So I went back in, and not long after that, I kind of to be honest, I was We were like a hair metal band, but a little heavier, you know? Kind of like the Scorpions meet Judas Priest. All right. And, um, so there was a guy with a little heavier than your basic pop hair metal. But then when poison made it, I was because we thought we were so much better than them. And then they, like, took over the world.

Brock Goldberg:   15:02
I can blow. I

spk_0:   15:03
were huge and It was just said to me. It was just like, You know what? This is just I can't do this house. So I went to be an insurance agent. Like I worked in the home office and they said, Hey, you know, you could be an agent, make a lot more money, you know? So I want to be an insurance agent. What? And that lasted, like, a month. Okay. You know, like you're supposed to set up 15 appointments a week in the whole month. I set up to a point. I didn't go to either one of it.

Brock Goldberg:   15:28
What were you doing? Just part of your drinking. Yeah, I

spk_0:   15:31
would like I was at the time I drank. So I'm just like I can't go to the appointment. I got beer drinking all day, and we're here with this. Uh, this was Oh, probably 86. Okay, room

Brock Goldberg:   15:41
here. I was born

spk_0:   15:43
that in there. I get that from people like you,

Brock Goldberg:   15:46
that's for sure, but yeah, that's that sound fucking crazy to me, because even just talking to you have this youthful spirit about you. I've always felt that

spk_0:   15:55
just that I've never really growing well

Brock Goldberg:   15:57
and That's fucking awesome. No, I love that there is something to say about individuals as they get older when they lose that, that that childish spirit about them things change. I have one of my best friends, you know, just turned 50 years old about to turn 50. And, um, you would think that he's, like, 35 then the same thing with you Just do your spirit. I mean, obviously you're your career. It's just things were different.

spk_0:   16:24
Yeah. Yeah. It's like, you know, I don't think I own a suit that I have, but I don't gotta do now.

Brock Goldberg:   16:34
And so I can't imagine you doing, uh, you know, insurance.

spk_0:   16:38
It was just so bad. It was just the worst movie ever. But they had a deal Where? Like if you go to be an agent, you don't get to come back to your old job. Okay, So when that didn't work out, I was like, out Now. I've worked there for seven years, got paid every Friday, had benefits, you know. Now I'm just this guy that drinks a lot and drives around and doesn't

Brock Goldberg:   17:00
have now. And you're, like, mid to late twenties.

spk_0:   17:03
Yeah. So and I'd been divorced. Yeah. So I moved in with my sister, and she was just going through a divorce, too. So we moved in together, and I was doing construction because her husband was a construction contractor. So he gave me a job doing construction. So I started. And I'm pretty good at stuff like that for Shack. And even though I didn't really know what I was doing and him, I still occasionally see the guy once in a great, great while because he's my nieces, Dad. All right, so, um and he's from Lebanon, and he's a funny guy, but he just thought it was hilarious that he sent me to go get some two by fours, like first day at work. And I'm out there with my tape measure that I just bought and a measuring and none of these boards or two by four. And I go back. I go, We don't have any to buy. And he goes, we just drop the whole load in the front yard. What are you talking about? Just go get me some two by four. And I go back in a measure everywhere I connect there a one and 1/2 by three. And he Dave, that's a two by four hotties, too. Every time I see him here might just talking, Okay? I won't see him for 15 years. I'll see the way

Brock Goldberg:   18:19
on. And then Now you never forget it, cause if you see a deer, I got to buy for your fucking two by four. And so you're doing construction? Grew up

spk_0:   18:28
doing construction in them. I don't remember why I stopped working for, I think, because when him my sister split up, it wasn't pretty. But then But I knew how to do framing by then. We're somewhat and so I was doing that in Lancaster was doing framing in drinking. What? Ana check. Yeah, and and, uh, we were doing piecework where you're kind of a hurry. You get paid for each thing you do. And me and this guy are working in this house out there. Miller, Lancaster and I was cutting a V in the end of a two by four and to go over a bolt. Anyways, I'm cutting a V in the end of this thing with the skill saw, which is a, you know, circular blade skill, something deadly.

Brock Goldberg:   19:10
You have had a couple friends chop their fingers?

spk_0:   19:12
Yes. So I'm cutting a V, and it binds up and comes back across my thumb. Oh, shit. Basically severs my thumb. Except for, like,

Brock Goldberg:   19:21
the Scott. Oh, shit. Yeah. You can? Yeah. Like

spk_0:   19:25
a Frankenstein scar there. Is he with a blade? Hit the bone and shifted there

Brock Goldberg:   19:29
all these years later. Still got that gnarly, frickin school.

spk_0:   19:32
But it works fine. Yeah. Yes. Oh, So, uh, a great doctor. What did they do? They reattached it basic. I mean, like I said, luckily, the nerve on the front like the pad was still intact. Like the back of you Put an ice cube in my thumb right here. I feel it back here. It's weird.

Brock Goldberg:   19:49
Holy. She just just real quick when that happened. Did it fucking hurt? Re freaking out?

spk_0:   19:55
Yeah, you know, people go. Oh, you know, he chopped his hand off. He didn't even realize it hurts. So I It was just instant excruciating pain. And then I remember, get it, like the time work with W. And he takes his shirt off and throws it at me, right? We happened up because that's gonna let you know, We get in the car and he had a window on this mirror. And as I closed the door, I looked in the mirror and I saw a little sprays of

Brock Goldberg:   20:19
blood. Oh, my God. Okay, so then you freaking chop your finger off. Chuck. Miss Beaumont, your thumb off its back

spk_0:   20:32
on now it heals. You know, I had that whole summer where I just hung around the pool in blankets, jumped out, and, uh and, uh then it's time to go back to work. And not only did I not want to do that anymore, I don't doubt it, but the bottom had fallen out in the industry out there, okay? And overbuilt. All right. And there was no work. Anyways, three months later, I'm just like, Okay, so I'm about to get thrown out of my apartment because I was done with the working world Nasscom. And I'm like, What am I gonna deal? You know? And a friend of mine just happen to come. Yah, Calm Road. Dog Rodeo. He worked for a band called Rat. Okay, who? Yeah, I don't know. So we worked for them and we were talking, and you know, don't I don't know what I'm gonna do. It might get kicked out of my apartment in, like, a week. And he goes, Well, he goes, uh, why don't you do what I do, You know, I go Well, you know. What do you mean? You know? And he says, Well, you you know about guitars and you're good at fixing stuff. He goes big guitar tech, and I'm like, All right? You mean, like a roadie? You know, when he's like, Yeah, yeah, I go. Well, how much do you make those make? 1500 a week. Which in 1998 was? Yeah, and I'm like I'm in, you know, I mean, I was having making $500 a week. That's, you know, doing construction. I was getting $500. Like I remember thinking if I could just make $100 each day on set for life, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, So then, yes, I'm like, Wow, that's great, you know? So he goes, Well, you know, you got its start off smaller, you know, get your foot in the door. He was I just kind of lucked out with rat because they got famous when I was working for me, you know? So then I'm like, Okay, so remember he actually, at one point when they're recording that brown and red? Yeah, I remember him calling. They were at Sound City, I think Panorama City And he called me up. Nichols, you had to come down to the session. That's kind of cool. You know, we're making this record is gonna be a big hit. And I'm like, this is not for you. Even this is before that, when I was still doing

Brock Goldberg:   22:36
it struck me. What the fuck? You know, in life they say that you'll meet three people that can take you to the next level. Most people won't even see one. You know this individual right

spk_0:   22:45
here? I've been so blessed I've seen them all. But

Brock Goldberg:   22:48
this this bet, this point in your life you're a week and 1/2 away from getting kicked out. Being on the fucking street broke to now having an opportunity that is going to transform the rest of your life. Yes, basically, Yeah. Wow. Wow. Shout out to road Dog. I know I do About here.

spk_0:   23:02
There's human Bobby Brunner that are less mates rehearsal studios shout out to Hampton Those two guys I owe everything to. So, so continue. Who would they know each other, But anyways, so yes, So So, uh, he goes, Well, you got to do what I do, you know? And so the great

Brock Goldberg:   23:18
Ha ha ha. Yeah. So?

spk_0:   23:20
So he goes, I'll see if anybody needs a guy. So he a couple days later, he calls me up and he's like, Davie goes, I found this band that needs a guy to help set up monitors. Can you do that? Yeah, sure. You know, and he goes. Okay, great. He goes, They're called King Diamond. Okay? And I go, I go. Never heard of him. He goes, Yeah, because they're a Danish heavy metal band in King time. It's like a guy, you know, in his band. He used to be in merciful fate, and I'd never heard of them either. Yep. So I'm like, Okay, heels. It's not much money. It's 200 bucks a week, he goes, but it's cash, and it's three months that you'll have a roof over your head. That roof, maybe a Winnebago. Right. But, you know, you're what? What else, for sure. But in the door he goes, It's a foot in the door in their nice guys, You know, I'm like, Okay, I'm in. You know, he goes. Okay, well, you know, come down and stay at my house for a couple nights while they're doing rehearsals, and you can go,

Brock Goldberg:   24:16
I want to stop you right here. Because for the listeners at that point, you said yes. A lot of people out there, um and this is not to put anyone down. Might be scared to take an opportunity like that, because the money's low. You don't know what the fuck it is. Right? But But there was something inside of you. Maybe was just said you're at your end at that point. Yeah,

spk_0:   24:39
that's really what it was, but I had nothing else going on. There was There was no light of the

Brock Goldberg:   24:45
Yes, the double stopped, right? It's stopped, but new.

spk_0:   24:47
So I mean, it would have been crazy not to take Yeah, Plus, I had never been anywhere. I literally the furthest I'd been from right there was. I've been to Phoenix to visit my dad, okay? And I had been to Tijuana, saving Noah? Yeah. Phoenix. Tijuana. I think I went to Vegas once with my sister, not traveled at all. Wow. And I was just like, you know, Fuck, yeah, I might as well, you know, I didn't have a girlfriend. I didn't

Brock Goldberg:   25:15
have a job. A wife I was about to get kicked

spk_0:   25:17
out of yet No wife or a girl. And so it was just kind of like, You know what? I'm out of here, you know, and I took it. And but the funniest thing was like I said, I didn't know King Diamond Waas. And for sure. Those listening to this If you don't know who King Diamond is, you gotta google it because it's part of the story. All these spectacular. You with the makeup.

Brock Goldberg:   25:40
I gotta look this up while you're telling. I want you to continue. So we're gonna pull this up right here?

spk_0:   25:45
Yeah. So, Lee Shit. So So, Yeah, so So I Okay. Great Danish heavy metal band. Cool. You know, and then later that night, the MTV at the time. Now, like I said, this is 1988 okay? They had a thing. Like on Friday nights. They have, like, a metal. I forget what they called it. I thought, Well, I'm gonna watch that and see if they showed a video by this King Diamond. Okay? And so I turn it on now, Like I said, there was no DVR is back then. Nothing. Nothing. So I'm like, Okay, you know, it says tonight hosted by King Diamond

Brock Goldberg:   26:20
Beginning me. This is a miracle. What? Yes, 1988 0 my fucking God. What is the odds of that? Holy shit. There's my first employer. Okay? Yeah, it's straight up. If you've never seen Oh, my God. Yeah. If you've never seen these people, this is like a mix between, like, Marilyn Manson meets Dracula meets fuckin kiss kiss. Um, this was 1980

spk_0:   26:48
80 and by the way, that Mike thing, he has those air really human leg bones.

Brock Goldberg:   26:53
Wait a minute. This was the air that I worked for him right there. That was when he is. He has a microphone with real human attached

spk_0:   26:59
to leg bones are human leg bones tied into across.

Brock Goldberg:   27:02
Okay, exactly. I'm were literally looking at Google right now and this. Oh, fuck. That's not okay. So all right, So what a home. I got this guy. And when I saw

spk_0:   27:12
him on MTV, this is what I saw. He walked out with the cape on and everything and was talking about these satanic dogs doll now jewelry that he had him on and all this stuff. And I was just like, what? The, You know, I was like, No way, You know, And I called my friend a brat, Dave Road dog Road dog in his name's day losses. But so I called. I called him that he wasn't home, his wife And he was before cell phones, Yes. So I'm like, What did your and she goes? I don't know. You know, he's not here, you know? So the next day, a calm like dude, Are you kidding? I saw this guy on the TV and he's like, No, he's real nice. He's really cool. So scared, you know? And I'm like, Oh, you know, I'm like, Okay, there we go. Yeah. So I went down there and met everybody, and we worked in rehearsals for a few days, and they decided I was in, you know, so took off on the road with them, and he was right It turned out to be a great guy, a really nice guy. And I worked for him for three months. And one day we're in the dressing room and he goes Dave and he talks like this. He's got a Danish. He says, David, Lee, come here. He goes. I like you. Michael thinks he knows. I want you to be in charge of the bones. Now the bones are that the mic standing and he's got a back up one and a couple of skulls reels that Aaron this thing that in this case and it takes with him every way

Brock Goldberg:   28:39
is it from his family or

spk_0:   28:40
something? No, no, no, no. He bought him from, like a, uh I guess like a science, you can get the

Brock Goldberg:   28:46
first chair. Not on eBay.

spk_0:   28:48
Yeah, not on eBay, but anyway so but he like, And then one of the other guys was He must really trust you a lot because he doesn't put just anybody in charge of the bone box. You know, you were in charge of the bomb on charge of the bone, but what was that like? It was a non er I was

Brock Goldberg:   29:02
kind of cool that is for sure.

spk_0:   29:04
He has a great sense of humor, like cool when we were recording or worked for him for a while. We're recording my friend Vinnie, who was their front house sound guy. Vinny goes and buys a bunch of candy and because the top of the skull was one of them didn't have the top. And then he, like, filled it with hard candy in the studio where it was shot. Like altar thing. Vinnie filled the scope. Is he mad? No, no, that was hilarious. Yeah, you know,

Brock Goldberg:   29:31
How is the music?

spk_0:   29:32
Oh, it's It's It's like progressive death metal. It's very high pitched, like, operatic voice that he has. Wow! And the music's really heavy, but it's it's kind of progressive for sure. And all of his albums have a story. I like that. It's kind of a long involved story I love. Like all of them. Yeah, And so but yes. Oh, he turned out he was really great. I had a lot of fun with him and and he they were going to Europe and they couldn't afford to bring a crew, you know? So he was real apologetic, and I remember he told me. He said He said, David goes eagles. I just have a feeling you're gonna do good in this business. I know this is your all time, you know, because I think you'll do good, you know? Oh, and then also at some point, the bass tech that worked for them. Yeah, he had fallen asleep in the motor home, out in the parking lot before show. Oh, shit. Wasn't there. We tried to wake him up. He wouldn't wake up. The bass player had no based Hector in the show, so I just said I'll take care of it, you know, tuned up his base and gave it to him. So they sent that guy home, and then I became the bass tech, so that was fucking Yeah, it just happened like

Brock Goldberg:   30:40
that, man. Ah, lot of people would be very scared if they saw that, and they'd probably run away. But whatever was inside of you, because I'm literally looking at this, and it's it's fucking nuts. I mean, stories. Fucking this guy's his face. Is he still around? Oh, yeah. He

spk_0:   30:56
just did the show, probably less than a month ago.

Brock Goldberg:   31:00
He still paints a space. Oh, yeah, This is his current look right here. So he's, like, 60 years old, fucking painting his face like he's mad at me

spk_0:   31:06
a little older than that. No

Brock Goldberg:   31:08
way. I love that that you

spk_0:   31:09
know what, like really serious? Like the Metallica guys love? Yeah. And they've had they, like, had him come out at their shows and do a song with them. It's No,

Brock Goldberg:   31:18
no way. It's that aggressive, you know? Death matter. I mean,

spk_0:   31:21
plus, his band merciful fate was like, really the 1st 1 of the first, Like death metal typing on Don't I call it Death Metal is easy to say that, but it's really no,

Brock Goldberg:   31:31
because you're saying it's operatic, right?

spk_0:   31:32
It's kind of operatic and kind of progressive.

Brock Goldberg:   31:34
So So So the instrumentation might be more like, you know, it's not like the strings, you know? That's so fucking awesome. If you're listening this check out King Diamond. It's amazing. Okay, so So you get off that tour, you come home. What the fuck is next?

spk_0:   31:51
Well, I'll tell you. Well, first up, flash forward. That gets probably 10 years. Okay? I I didn't see him, but he thanked me. I'm like the next three albums shut. The fuck I thought was weird. I hadn't even spoken to him. Like, three years later. I old new King Diamond and I look at it says I'm under the list of people that were think that I don't know why. You know, I thought that was really something.

Brock Goldberg:   32:14
Oh, my God. But

spk_0:   32:15
since nursery, like, 10 years later, I'm working for Ozzy on and we're doing Oz official. This was probably 99 guitar guitar tech for Ozzy. For Joe Holmes, A living angel. Sweetest guy in the world is their guitar was their guitar player at the time, and he was for a while. People realize it, but he's just brilliantly talented. Took lessons from Randi Rhodes when he was a kid, but, um, so anyway, so I'm working for Joe and we're doing Ozzfest. And Marilyn Manson is on before Ozzy. So I'm kind of getting my world set up Manson's onstage doing this thing, and we're in Dallas. And now I have drastically changed into the shape of my head. Yes, I don't look the same glasses aren't getting their glasses then, but anyways have shaved my head all Look the same. And I'd look next to me and there's condemn and standing example fucking way. And so I walked up like a stood next to my leaned over, and I go, Jesus zealot. Anybody on this stage? Haha, any kind of goes, Yeah, they look to me goes Dave. I go, Yeah, he goes. What do you doing here? No fucking way. He was right there he was. Yeah. Hey was right. And he goes, What are you doing here I go. I work for Ozzy. He goes. I told you, I told you you were gonna do on working for Ozzie, you know? Okay,

Brock Goldberg:   33:33
so let's take a couple steps back. That was just like that. That that that this is hotness. A sauce? It's still involved. Kingdom. Yes, absolutely. So So. But you get back from the tour. Uh, what the fuck was next?

spk_0:   33:45
Next was wishing that I could get a job. That's a great fucking band. Yeah, you know, I got exactly No. Next was when this guy, Bobby Brunner, comes into the picture because King Diamond and Vinny that my friend Vinnie that I told you about. He worked at mates when he wasn't on the road makes his or her studio North Hollywood, and they had everybody coming through there. I mean, there was one time I remember being there. They had guns and roses in one room, Motley crew in another room and Whitesnake and another. They had three rooms of the time and all three of those fans were there playing over there. Yeah, just kind of popping in and out tryingto network. I

Brock Goldberg:   34:23
guess when you're in those moments and you're around this these iconic individuals like me, I mean, now it's maybe a norm. Unless you're on Paul McCartney. Yeah. Uh, what is that like for, you

spk_0:   34:35
know, it was cool to me. I mean, you know, it was like, Wow, you know, here are these guys in like, I remember Duff McKagan pulling up to the studio. He had just bought a black Corvette.

Brock Goldberg:   34:47
It for people, like when you're saying names just kind of guns and roses baseball. Every go super nice guy

spk_0:   34:53
pulls up in this Corvette that he had just bought. He's like, check this out. At the time, Axl was driving a blazer, he had a big Chevy blazer

Brock Goldberg:   35:02
and their big at this time

spk_0:   35:04
they had. Yeah, they were. They were being okay. I think they got a little bigger after that. But this when they first got ribs, Steven Adler was still playing for lock up. It was just a sweetheart, Really? And he would always come early and hang out with me and Vivian, tell us these great stories, You know, funny stuff that happened to them on but not super great

Brock Goldberg:   35:23
guy. And you're just fucking I mean, you're literally like your whole life is intertwined. Your parting with them, you're traveling with them. You're Yeah,

spk_0:   35:30
Well, not them Not, but yeah, but this group, but again, I'd started kind of had my foot in the door. And then I got to know Bobby through Vinnie, mostly Bobby, the owner of that place. And then he called me up and he goes, Hey, I think I got a tour for you. Um, call this guy John Bass. Lou. He worked with a management company called Warren in our management, and they had faith no more. All right. Who was nobody? Yes. They had released one album that did okay and college, charged with a different singer. Now they got a new singer, and they had just released the real thing. So he doubled my salary 400 bucks a week. Now, there we go. Get to go work for faith no more. You're almost back to what you were before. Yeah, Yeah, but I was like, Okay, Faith no more. I didn't know who they were. They didn't weren't big yet. And we took off like a 45 month club to her. And we did. We went did a bunch of clubs then and they were great guys. I mean, to be honest, I don't like the singer very much, okay? But I've heard the

Brock Goldberg:   36:36
chances that we all have heard he's mellowed out with time. Where did they like to party? Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, I didn't I don't

spk_0:   36:43
remember him partying so much. But Jim Martin guy with the long hair and the glasses? Yes. Yes, he he was dangerous. But

Brock Goldberg:   36:52
what about you at that time to Oh, I just drink a lot, Okay. I

spk_0:   36:55
mean, I probably do a couple little things that get in there, but I might think was drinking and Jim like to drink too. So it was great. Never got that I remember during the show he would have me put however many songs there where I'd have to put a Coors light up on top of his And that the song and in between each song impounded Coors Light And I remember him Turn around looking at me Go drink more pussy. You know, a show, A show opening for Metallica Yeah, he was He was so Oh, my God. He was in love that this guy like you see when faith or more was big. You see this guy? And he's kind of scary looking, you know, But he was hilarious, like, just really funny guy. And and we just had a lot of fun. And Mike Borden was the drummer who is one of the best drivers I've ever seen. And oh, Angel, you know, just get super great.

Brock Goldberg:   37:49
That's so cool that these guys were

spk_0:   37:50
full and I worked with him later with Ozzy because he played with Ozzy and played Black Sabbath. But but yes. Oh, so it was great, but that he was another. He was a big King diamond when he heard that I had worked for King Diamond was like, wow, because Mickey D The drummer for King Diamond went on to be a motor head. Okay, is a

Brock Goldberg:   38:09
spectacular like that Just fucking blew

spk_0:   38:12
people that don't know what Mickey D is. You got us. And he plays drums like nobody ever

Brock Goldberg:   38:17
check out Motor Head. Right?

spk_0:   38:18
Well, yeah, but anyways so So Mike Borden was a big king diamond and was always picking story without a box guy. Exactly. So anyways, so So, yes. So, so faithful. Maura, We're not worked with them. And they they were Like I said, it was like, six months opening from it. I remember one show with Metallica. I forget where I want to say Cedar, Cedar Rapids or something like this Cedar City, but, you know, kind of smaller place, But, you know, they have sports arenas everywhere. In this sold out arena one night, faith no more. Sold one shirt. What? It was sold out. Arena faith, Um, work because they haven't made it yet. Most people don't know who they were,

Brock Goldberg:   38:57
What they fucking sold when they opened for Metallica.

spk_0:   39:00
So there's, like, 10,000 people in there. One person bought a fake no more, sir. And they were so happy about it. They thought it was a cool

Brock Goldberg:   39:07
That is fucking us. And don't remember that. Just like you remember that story. They'll remember that story for ever. Just fucking. And so you're You're how old at this age?

spk_0:   39:19
Oh, I started a 28. Okay, so I was probably 30. 31. Made up? Probably 30. This is only 9 30 You

Brock Goldberg:   39:28
know, a lot of kids growing up, you know, in their in their twenty's, you sometimes can feel overwhelmed. You don't know what the fuck you're going to do. And, you know, for me, I didn't find my career. My path lost 25. I'm reinventing myself now with this podcast. You were 28 it, but it sze never too late. No, Come on, you're still fucking young.

spk_0:   39:48
Yeah, but like I said, I had nothing going on. So it's like I get people a lot. Wouldn't doing my job now, you know, because I'm on the side of the stage. I'm near fans and people want to talk. And for sure, you know, would be nice to him and a lot of people. How do you get this job? And my answer is always You have to fail at everything you've ever done.

Brock Goldberg:   40:09
Every effort for people listening on Ben will eventually get to the story. But what are you doing right now? Me? Yes, as far as the your job, right?

spk_0:   40:18
I work for Maroon

Brock Goldberg:   40:18
five, Okay. And you're

spk_0:   40:20
Adam Levine's guitar. And I'm also take care of the bass player with a

Brock Goldberg:   40:23
very, very nice Okay, so we'll take a step back, and then we'll eventually get there. Yeah, it's a great job. That's so cool. What? Watching you on New Year's Eve. And like when you like, just with the fucking that gold guitar. That shit. I've never seen something like that. Crazy. And so what? Adam wanted that guitar.

spk_0:   40:43
He Well, he's funny because he like, he'll text me like a picture. Okay. And in like like, he sent me a picture of slash holding a hello kitty guitar. Did he put those stickers on or did someone else? No, there's not a sticker that No, no, the other one or the other one? Yeah, he picked up the stickers. Well, I picked out a bunch of stickers and he looked at him when he goes. Dave, I know you're old, but That's not It was funny what I did. Well, he teams would like you said something about you said something about, Um oh, that you when you were born I said something about graduating from high school in 1979. Adam starts laughing. What's so funny? He goes. I was born in 1917. That's fucking I like I was graduating high school when my boss was bored. You

Brock Goldberg:   41:30
know, there's just one thing about Maroon five watching you guys on on New Year's is the amount of hits that they have. It's fucking It's crazy. Yeah, fucking mind blown where they like the Rolling Stones of this damn generation. It's

spk_0:   41:44
well, yeah, bigger. I mean, it's weird. A lot of people just don't like him.

Brock Goldberg:   41:48
What's because it's like this pop music. But fuck off, man. Good music is good music. You can appreciate anything. I appreciate all different types of music, and and if you are closed minded just because it's popular music, well, fuck you.

spk_0:   42:03
We'll know. It's like the Super Bowl thing. Yes, you know, their performance at the Super Bowl was fine. Fuck out. But people hated it, and I'm like, I'm trying to fight with people. And I'm like If you don't like Maroon five, you're not gonna like their performance, you know what I mean? There was nothing wrong with that. Now he's saying people were like, Oh, he was so off key. He was not a key. Oh, now you know, and it's just it's frustrating because for sure, it's kind of like the What's a band that everybody loves to hate? Um, you tell me, Oh, come on there that I can't remember. But it's like 90% of the people that hate on them probably never even heard,

Brock Goldberg:   42:43
of course. And there's trendy cook, exactly close minded individuals just following a line on social media and other bullshit. I remember when I do cough showed me the video of you guys rolling out onto the field. Uh,

spk_0:   42:57
that was crazy at the Super Bowl. Yeah,

Brock Goldberg:   42:59
there are not many people that will ever get, you know, experience that because I had asked him, I was like, What are you like some of the best experiences of your life being on being on this news? Like a look at this video? And when you guys performed on Super Bowl and just fucking seeing. That's like, What the fuck? What did that feel like? I know we're jumping had him,

spk_0:   43:16
but Well, no, no, I know, but it's a really something when I tell people they're really interested. So it's my job is very low stress. I mean, I'll just say mostly because the guys I work for are easy to deal with. It depends on who you deal with, you know? I mean, I worked for the Red Hot Chili Peppers

Brock Goldberg:   43:37
for that 5th 14 50 and we're gonna get there.

spk_0:   43:41
We'll get there. But you know, John, for 20 I love him very much, but there was times it was very stressful, you know, and he knows that, and he I genuinely he's one of them. He's a kind hearted person, so don't get me wrong.

Brock Goldberg:   43:55
A lot of shit going,

spk_0:   43:56
Yeah, there's a lot of shit going on that, but, I mean, he's a very kind hearted person, but sometimes it was difficult working, but I'm But anyways, like I said, I love him very much. I just saw him a month ago, but anyways, like with these guys, it's very low stress because they're just easy to deal with their just really There seven guys in that band, Maroon five. That's crazy. And they're all really nice guys like guys you would hang out with bars on the drummer baking diamond. Then

Brock Goldberg:   44:28
that's so That's so fucking cool. Every single time that I've gone to parties. E you know the Halloween party that they do everything. Just everything that I hear about Maroon five very family oriented, very friend, very unity oriented, the other great. And I can appreciate the hell out of that because for me, you know, as an individual who has employees, I think it's really important to take care of the ones that helped take care of you, you know, and and I hear nothing but amazing things. This is me off when you know here people online and on TV or in person, whatever and they talk shit about them. It's like Fuck, you listen to their music and alive. There are really good rocket

spk_0:   45:12
and people don't realize that yeah, like Adam can rip when he feels like that. Sometimes the other sculptor, sometimes you just do it solo. That's going, But I mean he can play and I do my wife loves first got offered the job. My wife's like you're

Brock Goldberg:   45:28
taking that job. Fuck, yeah, you are. You know, God, it's awesome and all you guys were so just you guys us Awesome, but real quick game back to the Super Bowl, that moment getting pulled out on the field, about to perform. What the fuck does that feel like?

spk_0:   45:43
I'll tell you, there was a moment like, Okay, there's the tunnels. Yes, at the arena where the teams go in and out. They had us all backed up into this one tunnel. And I think there was something like e t. I want to say set pieces that people have to set up. Okay? And it's an amazing story.

Brock Goldberg:   46:05
I got chills, and how

spk_0:   46:05
they do it is I still don't see how, but there's all these set pieces and they're tall. You know? This the stage. It's big. So I remember sitting in that tunnel. We got everything lined up. I've got my guitar boat. Adam's guitars live on the show, and you know I'm sitting there and we have this saying When you screw up, a lot of people go. I've screwed up way bigger shows in this, you know what I mean? It's like kind of something somebody says when it's a roadie, Can't say And that's what hit me. I was sitting down in the guitar boat and I'm watching, watching the monitor and it's the two minute warning before halftime, and I'm all by myself like nobody's near me. There's a couple of people in a little far off, and I'm just sitting there by myself, just like pondering. If I screw up, I cannot say I've screwed up a bigger shows out this now and I'm sitting there and I'm like, I never thought I'd be saying that. You know what? I'm meaning Because there's always something bigger, Of course. And this is the Super Bowl.

Brock Goldberg:   47:11
This is the biggest huge, the biggest live event. I mean, the World Cup for soccer football. Yeah, of course, they don't do anything like this. So, uh, you know, you have 102 100 million locking people watching over Menendez 1,000,000,000? I don't fucking know. But it is the biggest thing in the world. Holy fucking shit! It was great. You get pulled out. Is your heart beating? Are you relaxed? Yeah, I think

spk_0:   47:37
Once we started moving, it was such a fast moving thing. I remember, just like we had done it so many times during the week. I think it was 10 times during the week that we would do this set up and pull off, set up, pull up. And then the last couple of days, they did, like, set up in the band, performed and then pull up. You know, just cause they have to time it exactly right. Yeah. And I think by then we'd done it so many times that it just kind of float, you know, it wasn't it was during the performance. I knew everything was working fine. And I was just like, Okay, let's just do this, you know? And they did it and it was fun and we weren't done. And I just remember because it was I remember being happy for it because I love the guy genuinely love Adam Levine. He's he's a great guy. I love. And for him to be done with that, it was almost on emotional thing, like in the dressing room, like, dude, he did it, You know what I mean? And it was really cool. You know. His mom was there was no family, was there and everybody was so happy, you know? And then then the reviews start coming in that in the van on the way home, and we're looking at him. We're just like it went fine.

Brock Goldberg:   48:55
What's wrong with it? It doesn't matter. It could have been the best performance of their entire life, and it's still would have been that way.

spk_0:   49:04
The other good thing is, they have their heads, right? Yeah, they know. You know, Adam's

Brock Goldberg:   49:09
fine wrote that shit out. You get to a former just like I mean, I obviously I'm not like that, but I would think you get to a point where you just shut that shit off because, you know, the people that care about you and anyone else they can suck a fucking day straight up. Man, we thought this this like this culture that is right now. I mean, I'm so happy to be alive. It's the best time to ever be alive. But it is fucking too much. Sometimes exact social media. Everyone thinks that they're critic, but whatever. And and for Adam Man, for you guys, it was incredible. So kudos to You guys fucking killed it. And if you guys ever do it again, I'm coming along. Um, all right, so let's let's go back all the way back. It's

spk_0:   49:52
okay. So faithful more. Yeah, I'm working for them. They toured with Metallica was the first big tour ever got to do doing arenas. And it's great to work for the opening band because you're done it like eight o'clock and you just get to hang out and being single at the time meeting girls last are So, um so that was a lot of fun. And then ah, after that ended the manager or faith more was going to Europe and they had a crew of Europe. They were still had immediate. Like I said, the song epic that was really their big hit that wasn't released is a single yet at least two other songs first, that really didn't do that Well, but they created a buzz. They got nominated for a Grammy

Brock Goldberg:   50:32
are nice.

spk_0:   50:33
And we did this tour with Soundgarden at the time was really sound. Got an envoy VOD whose voice I have no idea. The Canadian Broadband. Okay, that was the headliner of this tour and Soundgarden was in the middle and faith no more was opening void, hot doing clubs and theatres Always

Brock Goldberg:   50:50
said I like Did you Did you like some garden back?

spk_0:   50:52
Oh, yeah. I like him a lot. And it was cool because I think it was the louder than love tour. You know, before they really broke big. And, uh, it was it was it was cool scene, remember? Because they were obviously on their way to taking over the world. And it was things were moving so fast at that time that, like, people go, how is void? VOD headlining. Well, when they book these tours, that doesn't happen for a couple. 345 months. In that short span of time, Soundgarden had exploded, you know? And so it was It was really kind of cool. People were

Brock Goldberg:   51:27
actually coming for sound. Carter. Yeah, lot, of course.

spk_0:   51:30
And it was great to see them at that level, you know?

Brock Goldberg:   51:33
Yeah, off. Oh, my God.

spk_0:   51:35
And there's these player at the time. Is that that guy that went on to be a navy? So no need to see a Green beret? Yeah. Yeah, that's so he was their bass player during

Brock Goldberg:   51:45
this is He's still he's still around. He's still around. Yeah, has ever play with them.

spk_0:   51:50
I don't think he plays at all. I'd be freaking crazy. I don't know about ladies, but I know that he's like a big military

Brock Goldberg:   51:55
God. That's so crazy to think that you went from that to then stories of May. Of course.

spk_0:   52:01
And you can find it on his his story of, like, being kicked out of Nirvana and then kicked out a Soundgarden right before both bands took over the world

Brock Goldberg:   52:12
and then becomes a green beret.

spk_0:   52:13
And then he's like, Screw this. I'm joining the Army and then excels in the army to the point that he's like a green

Brock Goldberg:   52:20
break. Do you know his name? Uh, gotta remember now. All right, sir, if you're listening, I would love to have you. Come on. Yeah, he would be great. Area that sell. Awesome. Wow, it's pretty cool s

spk_0:   52:31
Owen from there. And, um, you know, of course. Then the manager that did faith No more obvious John Basler guy and Warren inner who was in a band called, uh, I'll get back. Okay, But anyways, a lot of people that do management or former band members. Fisher. But anyway, so he was grassroots. Okay, Mom, he's cool to super great guy. But anyways so I worked for them and then they have also had this been faster pussycat. OK, and they were just getting ready to release a new album and they had a hit. You know that? How's the pain? So yes. And so he said, Hale, you can go work faster, pussycat. Nobody 100 bucks a week more and I'm like, Great, you know, Faith more hadn't really taken off of my great I'll go do that and it's like a month later they just epic comes out and faith no more is opening for guns and roses. And for Puff Stadium's on. I'm

Brock Goldberg:   53:30
working for faster pussycat clubs. Oh, my gosh. Were you Did you think like five fucked out? I

spk_0:   53:36
did think that I did at the time, but I was having so much fun with what I suppose to get and they were like at that period, probably what, 89 90 91. Working for them was like, really fun. And plus we did we open for we were on the Dr Feelgood Tour S O. Got the tour with Motley Crew at the peak of their

Brock Goldberg:   54:01
careers. Foch man. So you are. You're literally engulfed and everything as faras music from From the eighties. Now we're leading up to the night of the there's there's billions of people in the face of the planet and there is a very small amount of people that have experienced the things you have ever experienced, right? Yeah. I mean, it's just in your front and center. I mean, you are, You are your unofficial band member team is things are very unofficial, but it's But it's true, because I see the things that even that you do like with Maroon five and and Mike and you, it's so needed on Dove course. Everyone's replaceable. But so our band members in the end of the day. But what you do bring to the table, man, this is This is really fucking cool. So faster, pussycat. You know, tour with Motley

spk_0:   54:53
crew was amazing. That was That was so fun. What were they like? Well, uh, Mick Mars is a nice guy. Okay, I can tell you that was I mean, they don't portray him as a nice guy, of course, in the movie, because they, you know, they show miss being kind of salty. But as far as like the people working on the tour, he was very, very nice and very easy to talk to. Very friend. Was his back fucked up? He walked stiff, okay? He was very stiff.

Brock Goldberg:   55:23
Yeah, but I feel for him because he, uh, presented this disease, and I have that in my lower back is Well, I believe that's what he has, but I felt I feel for him, but oh, man, that's fucking crazy. What? Did you like the movie? Yeah, I liked it a lot. Machine gun. Kelly playing. Ah, uh fuck, dude. Emily and Oh, yeah, um,

spk_0:   55:43
you know, with what was fun about that movie is Wow. All of that was going on was when I was hanging out of made. A lot of those guys were around. And when Nicky 60 d. Steven Adler told us that story by two days after it happened. We were maids. Steven Adler comes in, and he's like, Dude, you know, couldn't believe what happened over the weekend. Nicky o d'd. He goes. This is the way he told it was how could it be hilarious? Have Steven Adler talk. He he goes, he was were at this party, right? He goes and we're all hanging out there, You know, my band, his bad. Everybody's hanging out. We're having a good time, he goes, And then I go in this room, and Nikki's lay in there, and he's turning blue. He goes. So I went over and I slapped him and me and Vinny the Africa We're just looking at each other like Holy Shut. And he's like, he goes. So I slapped him and he didn't didn't come to heal, so I slapped him again. He goes, So then I took advantage of the situation, started

Brock Goldberg:   56:47
slapping the shit out of Thistle is what? Stephen Adly? They're serious? Yeah,

spk_0:   56:52
he goes. So I took advantage of the situation, started slapping the shit out of him. Oh, it gets better. So he goes. So the next day I go to visit him in the hospital, he goes, and he's okay. Yeah, And I said so are you okay with that feel? He goes well, I feel all right. But for some reason My

Brock Goldberg:   57:11
face, I swear to God. Steven Adler said First way told him. Obviously, I don't know. Oh, my God. I know you didn't know that was It was Larry a man. That's that's fucking nuts. That's that's nuts. And so how you're how old around this age?

spk_0:   57:32
Um, that was Yeah, I guess. You know, probably 29. 30.

Brock Goldberg:   57:39
Okay. And did you ever take a step back and look at your life and go thought, Oh, yeah, all the time. I

spk_0:   57:44
mean, it's it's funny, because it at the time, I wasn't making really enough to live a normal life on. But I was having so much fun, and I was single, so it didn't matter.

Brock Goldberg:   57:54
And you're around people that I'm around

spk_0:   57:57
these people. It was a lot of fun, but like, um, you know, at some point it had to either become serious or something. Yes. And then, you know, I had since I had my foot in the door with that management company. They were always giving me work. And then I got a call. I was looking for work, and I got a call from Q Prime Management, which is one of the biggest management companies. They're based in New York. They do Metallica and okay. Definitely put everybody and so chili peppers now, too. And they So I got a call from this guy, Tony, That was their guy. And he said, Tony to cha cha and he says, Hey, I got this band called Screaming Trees. We need a guitar to scream, in truth, you know, and I didn't know they were, but I'm like, Okay, you know. So I took the job. It was another 100 bucks a week and, uh, slowly moving up. And so I went on the road with them, which was fun. Okay. I mean, it had its moments. Korean countries. The guitar player was difficult on stage, but the sweetest guy in the world off stage. Okay. And the bass player, just great guy. And the drummer, great guy, the singer Marc was a guy. There is a guy Mark Lanigan. He's also a solo guy, and he was very salty, like, kind of grumpy, salty guy. But for some reason, he and I clicked, all right. And he had a serious drug problem. Like, I've never been around. People that were using, like heroin and stuff says that I knew.

Brock Goldberg:   59:22
So you're around all these people. But this is like the first time.

spk_0:   59:25
Yes, it is the first time that there's a guy in the back of the bus. That's not enough. You know what? When did you I just went on with my life. But canceling shows left and right? Ah, there he was sick or something. But But for some reason, like it was funny, because when I got the job, the tour manager said, Look, our senior could be a little tough. He goes, he may threaten your life. It's something like God and I'm like, Really? And he goes, Yeah, you know. But he never threatened my life. And I think it was the first day like they were a Seattle band. And I showed up to rehearsals in Seattle and I was wearing bike figure. Okay, I gotta work Combat boots, Seattle Band, and I'm with This is the most crazy. I look at it now. I'm like, What was I thinking? I was wearing bicycle shorts.

Brock Goldberg:   1:0:08
What the fuck? A fanny pack?

spk_0:   1:0:10
A roadie thing about a sweat shirt with the sleeves cut off a bandanna because nobody will know I'm bald if I'm wearing a bandanna. Sam Kinison. Hey, you look like me.

Brock Goldberg:   1:0:24
If a one of a motley crew shows no fucking way, I don't ask for autographs, but yeah, I

spk_0:   1:0:30
just saw him in the hallway and he goes, Hey, man, we got the same thing going on. Great. He goes, You got a piece of paper to Dave. The new me Sam Kinison? Yes. And he died just a couple years later.

Brock Goldberg:   1:0:43
Fucking legend. Great, Truly bright. But anyways, another name dropping side. I fucking love this.

spk_0:   1:0:50
But anyway, so So what was I say, Elliot? Screaming truth. So I show up for the first rehearsal dressed in this getup. Well, I thought I look cool.

Brock Goldberg:   1:0:59
What the fuck's your bicycle shorts? You said bicycle shorts, combat boots yet?

spk_0:   1:1:03
And that shirt and a fanny pack in the bandanna. Are you trying to get him? And I walked in in Mark Looks at me. I never met these guys. I walk into the rehearsal and he looks bagels. Wow, I like Hi, I'm Dave. He goes, Wow, Dave, that's quite again.

Brock Goldberg:   1:1:20
Ha ha Hee. You know, what were you thinking? And I'm like, Yeah, I thought you guys were like Ha ha! Have

spk_0:   1:1:30
you ever forgot? For some reason at that point, like broke the ice, he never laughs, and he laughed. And everybody's like Why you made Mark laugh, you know? And then he was just always super cool to me. And at one point I remember we got a new monitor guy. Brian was his name. Brian walks on the bus. We were on the road and monitor. Guy got fired or some new guy comes along and he walks on the bus. And our tour manager, Danny Danny, goes, uh, this is marquees or singer, and the market is Brian and he just looks at Brian. He goes, I could kill you, shocked off and then I'm like, That's what he meant. Boom! But strangely enough, him and Brian became very good friends. But you know, it's funny cause I hear all these stories about Mark Lanigan, you know, like Wantinto getting into fist fights with people. There's videos off live shows where he's smashing like he could. But for some reason we just really got along. And then later he would see him. Well, you're giving the chili peppers that we'll get it. We were doing a tour with, um um, Queens of the Stone Age. Fox. Yeah, and Mark would sing. He sings a couple of their songs, and, uh, he came out and he would sing one song, and he's like standing backstage waiting to go on in heels. How you doing, Dave? I go, He goes, You're looking at the hardest working man in rock. Go sing is one song and then going out on the bus.

Brock Goldberg:   1:2:55
You know what it is, man? It's your energy. It's It's your fucking energy that you put on a big person on energy. It's It's like the unwritten law of attraction, and you're just fucking put it out there. You're such a good, kind hearted dude who likes to drop names. You know, I'm so happy that you're being so open and shit because people gonna fucking love this. It's fun. It's crazy.

spk_0:   1:3:23
Have you have you know, these people are,

Brock Goldberg:   1:3:25
and this is the evolution of your life. All right, So So So you're you're you're You're at this point, you're you're with you screaming trees, right? What was next?

spk_0:   1:3:34
So we finish that tour and then, um, this manager calls me and he goes, Hey, you know the same management county, he goes. I got a band that's doing a tour starting in Australia. It's another 100 bucks a week and, uh, suicidal

Brock Goldberg:   1:3:47
tendencies. Shut the fuck out! And I'm like, Okay, sorry. So Oh, my God,

spk_0:   1:3:53
No Suicidal turns. It is because my band hostage, our lead guitar player, had just quit suicidal tendencies to join our band. You talk about great career moves. He quit suicidal tendencies to join my band hostage.

Brock Goldberg:   1:4:11
My mouth as I'm waiting,

spk_0:   1:4:11
unaware and his name's grand Estes And he is a brilliant guitar player.

Brock Goldberg:   1:4:16
He works in the industry stuff. No. Oh,

spk_0:   1:4:18
no. He kind of floats around. Job has this thing, but he's He's a super sweet guy. I saw him. We all got together for you. That really sucks. Yeah, it really does, because he's so good. And he didn't really make anything off of that first suicidal tendencies record. But, um but yes, So anyway, so I go to work for those guys. Robert Trujillo was playing bass for them. I was working for him over him, you know, doing guitars and bass for them. And we did like this whole world tour with. That was right. First world to her. Um, no. I had been to Japan before. Had been d He went to Europe with With faster pussycat, I think maybe. Anyways, I know I've been to Japan before I did Europe with Lynch Mob. George Lynch is being

Brock Goldberg:   1:4:59
Wait, This was before? Yeah. Before you got that part I

spk_0:   1:5:02
had left, I accidentally left lynch mob

Brock Goldberg:   1:5:04
out. Where was Lynch Mob in all of this,

spk_0:   1:5:06
um, after Fester pose again. Okay. Our tour manager worked for them and hired because it's kind of like the movie business. Yes. It's like you get in with a producer or something. When they go from from project to Project. You go work on those projects. That's really how it works

Brock Goldberg:   1:5:22
out for sure. There were no union. Yeah, I really know. That's fucked out at all. That's fucked up. My wife's Ah, she's a union makeup artists. So though Yeah, totally forget it. Wait. You guys aren't unionized? No. Do you wish you were touring? I have.

spk_0:   1:5:40
I thought about it. But where I am for the last 20 years Yes. It doesn't matter, you know. I mean,

Brock Goldberg:   1:5:50
you're you're you're bands take? Yeah, exactly. Okay. They took out and then and especially number in five. Yeah, and

spk_0:   1:5:56
I mean, yeah, Adam takes him. Yeah, but anyway, so, yes. So So it going Suicidal tendency. I had a lot of fun. Um, another tour with Metallica

Brock Goldberg:   1:6:09
s. So they're on tour of Metallica?

spk_0:   1:6:11
Yeah. We did a Metallica tour. I think they called it the shit in the sheds tour. It was summertime tour. All the like, You know, uh, they calm sheds there like, uh, amphitheaters.

Brock Goldberg:   1:6:25
So when you're on these on these fucking world tours, do you ever get time to, like, travel or go see anything? Or sometimes, Yeah.

spk_0:   1:6:31
I mean, yeah, but not much. I mean, you know, it's usually Ah, lot of times you get there the next morning you're doing a show, so I mean, it's occasionally you'll get somewhere where the schedule just works out that you've got a day off there and you can go hang

Brock Goldberg:   1:6:47
so suicidal tendencies, Metallica Transit in the world. But this is like your first world tour. I

spk_0:   1:6:55
would say Yeah, that one band, we went Ah, lot of places.

Brock Goldberg:   1:6:58
And how many months is this?

spk_0:   1:6:59
It was Well, I worked for them on a whole tour, then an album, and you could win the Alba after that. Well, for usually. Usually if somebody's recording in there at a level where they could afford a guitar tech. I work on the albums, too,

Brock Goldberg:   1:7:15
and so you make sure that I

spk_0:   1:7:16
don't like working on albums. I hate working in the studio because I always feel like I'm in the way, okay, and it's a lot of sitting around and these people are paying you. And I just feel funny that I'm getting paid to sit on my butt and order food. It's just not comfortable

Brock Goldberg:   1:7:32
for me. So at at this point in your career,

spk_0:   1:7:34
do you stole? Thankfully, it works that now I've been with Maroon five now for 10 years. Okay, thankfully, that when they record, they use the same engineer off same assistant engineer who takes care of most of those duties Yacht, sea bass. So yeah, it's perfect. I don't like I've got this cool van. I don't know. You have to show. Oh, yeah, for sure. 1983 Chevy van. That's all fixed up like like a seventies. No way. But yes, So I've got this van, which is handy. So, like, if they need something with studio, I'm on call. Basically, yes, but they hardly ever called, but And when they do, it's like, Oh, sometime this week. But, like, yeah, there's never like Oh, my God, I need something right now. Fucking. But yes. So, like, you know, if they need some gear at the studio, I could just throw it in. My van had doing. We need to keep water out of the locker. Okay? It's so funny. Yeah, it's great. I'll stop and I'll have lunch and then go home Way.

Brock Goldberg:   1:8:32
Don't even like it when people just, like, think of like maroon five being you didn't think about all the things that go into this and all the people to make it all happen, Right? But so So that's That's fucking awesome. So, you you you went on this world tour suicidal. Metallica were, like 30 31 32. Yeah, I think I

spk_0:   1:8:51
was about 30 four. Okay, So low. So, yes. I mean, years were going by, You know, Lynch Mob was almost a year. Which the bass player for Lynch Mob, Anthony Esposito. I love him so much. One of the greatest guys ever. He plays with Jakey lead now in his band. Um, Red Dragon card. Yeah, he's a super great guy. We had so much fun and George Lynch could be a handful. And there was one point where he was going through guitar techs, left and right, and we were doing rehearsals. And, uh and I said, Well, I'll just take care of him for the rehearsal, And he goes, Oh, I didn't know you did get ours, too. I thought you were just a basic I just being based. Yes. And then he goes, Well, why don't you be the guitar tech and we'll get another base? Tak and it's a Georgian like you, but

Brock Goldberg:   1:9:36
I don't know. That's why I don't want to do that. Fuck, Yes. Respected that? Yeah,

spk_0:   1:9:42
he's like, Okay, I

Brock Goldberg:   1:9:44
get it. Yeah, he gets if I see

spk_0:   1:9:45
him occasionally too. And I feel bad for him. He's a really incredible guitar player, But you know these He kind of Yeah, I don't know, just struggles a little here and there, of course, but yes. Oh, but

Brock Goldberg:   1:10:00
I mean, the days of old were definitely Ah, it was a different time, especially for rock stars. And yeah,

spk_0:   1:10:05
you know, and it really sucks because he's a brilliant

Brock Goldberg:   1:10:07
guitar. Drugs, drugs obviously run rampant. And

spk_0:   1:10:10
even when I was wasn't really a drug thing when I was on, he had stories from the dock in days For that, we're crazy, you know, like, you know, on monsters of rock tour stuff. You know, everybody was so I didn't buy buns a blow.

Brock Goldberg:   1:10:24
But that kind of goes full stroke because, like, you have mental or back or whatever the fuck it is. You know, we we all we all deal with shit. Um but But at the end of the day, man, he gets to say that he's George Lynch. You know, eso uh he came. He saw he conquered. So s o you suicidal tendencies. How long were you with them?

spk_0:   1:10:40
And he lives. He lives just right. Nearest Tonto Shay.

Brock Goldberg:   1:10:46
No fucking way. Do they still perform this super form? Yeah,

spk_0:   1:10:48
they do, doc and stuff sometimes. Okay, does a version a lynch mob, but it's all different, but

Brock Goldberg:   1:10:53
people still come out to see it. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:10:56
and he's still rips, but so anyways, So So then, you know, suicidal tendencies. Worked with them for a while that nothing was going on. And I get a call from a guy that I worked with the suicidal tendencies who had gotten fired, I think is that he was Brian and he says, Hey, David goes, I'm working for flee. I got Really? And he goes, Yeah, we're doing rehearsals in Ah, At S I r here in Hollywood And he goes, he goes, and, uh, their guitar players Dave Navarro, you know, franchise addiction because he doesn't have a guitar tech. I go really? And he goes, Well, he's got a guy, but his guy is out working for another band. You know, a guy that did the passions, addiction stuff with him, and he goes, so he doesn't have anybody. And we need somebody, at least, you know, to cover for a couple weeks here at rehearsals. Can you do that? Yeah. Yeah, and I'm like, Wow, you know. Okay, Chili pepper.

Brock Goldberg:   1:11:53
This is like the first. Like where to you? It was like shit.

spk_0:   1:11:58
Well, yeah, a friend of mine in Willie who is a lighting designer when he did faster pussycat in Lynch mob some other ones with me. And Willie said really said Dave, He's very, very funny guy. He said, Dave, we're destined to work for B bands for the restaurant. Ha ha. You know, and I remember when I got to come like, wow, this red chili places that I remember thinking this is not a BB, in fact, now, you know. Yeah, they now they had done blood, sugar, sex, magic. Oh, shit. But they were about to release one hot minute. Yeah, which I think is a great album, But a lot of chili peppers Fans like it because it doesn't have John for Sean. Yeah, through there is really much of their creative genius. So anyways, um, I go down the work. I did not know Dave Navarro didn't. I knew he waas, but Okay, you know, and And I get down there and I meet him, and he seems like a nice guy, you know? And and then flee comes over to me. So who else do you work for? You know, I go Well, uh, I go. I recently worked for suicidal tendencies and he goes, goes that Robert Trujillo guy. I go, Yeah, he goes. He's pretty good, huh? And I go kind of smile like a Yeah, you could say, it's on And I'm thinking to myself, he's spectacular having Robert trios fucking insane. What are the best bass players of every torture? His stuff with infectious grooves? Nobody could be that. But anyway, and I don't really like infectious grooves that much, but well, I'd like infectious grooves. I just I don't I'm not a big fan of the singer. I got it, I got it. Who is suicidal? 10 guys. Mike, New York. But instrumental. You have to, you know, it's just not doesn't appeal to me.

Brock Goldberg:   1:13:40
It's like a cake. You know, there's different later. Exactly. Can appreciate this, but maybe not.

spk_0:   1:13:44
And Robert Trujillo was so much fun to work with. I mean, there was so much laughter, you know, working for him during shows. He would do funniest stuff. And and so I really enjoyed the guy. So I mean, I really backed him a lot, you know, and please like, yeah, here. He's pretty good. Yeah, he's really good.

Brock Goldberg:   1:14:02
Is he fucking with you? Were just asking.

spk_0:   1:14:04
No, no, he was just asking. So this Dave Navarro guy, you know, working for him in rehearsals. And I'm wanting to do the tour, you know? And the drum tech was Louie, this guy? Louis. Matthew. I still talk to Max. He was their drum tech, but he was also there kind of daily guy, you know, friends with them forever. He was chad's drum tech. I don't know if you know anything about Chad, but the nicest guy on the planet. And I know it sounds silly because it keeps saying that, but really great. Great.

Brock Goldberg:   1:14:32
But you mean it when you say it.

spk_0:   1:14:34
So, yeah, you know, And I mean, the other guys are nice, too. But I miss

Brock Goldberg:   1:14:36
your sheds. No, normal. I love He's not

spk_0:   1:14:41
really, but normal and very funny and very friendly. I love him very much, and I still talk to him a lot, but anyway, so it was It was It was cool, like, Wow, I'm trying to get this job and I keep on doing my best, you know? And I'm talking to lily like every I go. So in my end, you know, really nervous. Don't know. No, wasn't nervous. Really. I just was really wanting to see wanting that job. Of course, because I knew it would change my life. Not only more than double myself, you know, because, I mean, I'm going from making 6 $700 a week

Brock Goldberg:   1:15:15
at two now.

spk_0:   1:15:16
2 12 50 You know what it was when I first started for sure, which isn't much now. But in 1995 that was pretty

Brock Goldberg:   1:15:24
gay, man, if you live in, like, Mississippi, Texas, Kentucky. Yeah, exactly. But even

spk_0:   1:15:29
then it was decent living in L

Brock Goldberg:   1:15:31
A. No, for sure. Not

spk_0:   1:15:33
live in an apartment. Wait, now, Yeah, but but yeah. So it was really well, and then finally, um, I gotta try and remember exactly what led to it. But anyway, it's just a TTE some point. Dave walks over to me and he goes, you know, we're doing this tour. Do you want Do you want the job

Brock Goldberg:   1:15:53
shot the fuck on. I'm like, Yeah, Dave Navarro comes

spk_0:   1:15:58
because I've been working for him for a couple weeks.

Brock Goldberg:   1:16:00
So weird to me. Yeah, no, outside. Like,

spk_0:   1:16:03
and I guess you can kind of know Dave a little bit, because on TV now, same with Adam Levine. You know, you get So you have a kind of Dave Navarro is such a fun guy to work for. He's generous, very generous. He would always be giving me cash tips here and there. You know, just seriously fun of it. He has

Brock Goldberg:   1:16:24
not even was that common with other bands,

spk_0:   1:16:26
you know? I mean, you know, you'd get sometimes, like, a tour bonus, but even those air something that I thought this was different. Yeah, this was different. I mean, he would like. I remember we did a thing in Japan where they gave the band a bunch of cash to bring back because you had to separate it out for tax reasons on dhe. When I got home, I unzip my bag, and there was 1000 bucks stop the act that Dave stuck in there because I remember when we were on the bus going to the airport was is this your bag? And I thought it was in the way I go. Oh, yeah. You want me because No, no, no. Then I get home. I opened it up. He was asked because he's, like, 1000 bucks in the really fucking life. Yeah, he was. He was super great. really

Brock Goldberg:   1:17:02
starts that that that is so fucking cool. And that moment when he came to you and he asked you when you went home that night, do you remember?

spk_0:   1:17:10
I don't remember going well. I was married at the time, but I don't remember the interaction with my wife about it. Remember?

Brock Goldberg:   1:17:20
Did you tell your family your friends, like I

spk_0:   1:17:22
don't remember. I I really don't remember saying. I mean, I must

Brock Goldberg:   1:17:26
have had a huge red hot chili pepper.

spk_0:   1:17:29
Yeah, it's like, Wow, I'm working with You know what? We're really stuck. This is funny. I mean, I obviously their music is one thing, you know, and I enjoy it. But, um, I remember standing there in the room first day and I'm looking at these guys and they all met me and they were all nice. And I was like, these guys were on The Simpsons.

Brock Goldberg:   1:17:55
That's what that's what was That was my

spk_0:   1:17:57
like, starstruck thing of them is that they were on The Simpsons,

Brock Goldberg:   1:18:00
and then they eventually becomes normalized after

spk_0:   1:18:02
Well, yeah, but it was funny. I remember asking if Leo's like, So what was that? Like you're doing The Simpsons And he goes What you mean? I go? What was it like? It was like going in a studio and talking into it, because it's not like we hang out with Homer's

Brock Goldberg:   1:18:19
just going to the stuck in virtual

spk_0:   1:18:21
world. And I'm just like, Yeah, I guess it

Brock Goldberg:   1:18:23
is You, OK? And so you're how old at this time?

spk_0:   1:18:29
Oh, I guess that was well, at 95. I was 34

Brock Goldberg:   1:18:34
and so what happened next? What was that?

spk_0:   1:18:38
What happened next is we go on the road on and I'm still drinking a lot. And I don't want this to turn into a hole. No drinking, for sure. But I was drinking a lot, and those guys were sober.

Brock Goldberg:   1:18:48
Oh, they were sober at this.

spk_0:   1:18:49
Yeah, you know, there was. They didn't drink it all. Well, Chad, the drummer. Okay, but, you know, Anthony was sober and struggling, so they were kind of like this has to be, like, no drugs tour, you know, which was finally Thandi drugs anyway. And I actually had a drawer in my work box that I would keep empty bottles in because I would drink beer through the whole show,

Brock Goldberg:   1:19:14
and they just said they wouldn't know.

spk_0:   1:19:15
Yeah, I'm gonna put the bottles in the drawer, and then we're going to load the truck, had pulled the drug and throw the bottles in the back. Everybody hides it for first, but it was okay to drink. People were drinking,

Brock Goldberg:   1:19:25
but just keep it out. I mean, it's just it's respect for for you know what? We respect him. I was hiding. So so So, listen, you know him struggling with his opiate addiction. I know exactly what that's like. For the longest time, I personally struggled. Ah, well, with open with opiates and it's a fucking beast, you know, kick. Um and I sympathize. You know, I read his book, his story, and obviously you, um you know, you mean it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so we fuck, man, it's It's, uh it's very discerning because we're at this level now in society with the fentanyl epidemic. Just fucking taken another level. Um, and it's and it's sad.

spk_0:   1:20:06
He really is. I just hit my family, you know,

Brock Goldberg:   1:20:09
Wait, it's hit all of us, and it's fucked up in. And for me, it was, you know, finding my path, my call in getting the hair industry of having a purpose, right? But for him, you know, he's at the top of his fucking shit. So it's like, What? What else is next? So it's it's a lot different. At the end of the day, it's

spk_0:   1:20:28
different. But I've had that conversation with him. Oh, shit. I've actually talked him about, like, it's gotta be harder for you then. I mean, granted, I never had the opiate thing for, but I had a big alcohol thing, and I remember just this was just a few years ago, I went to say hi to everybody they're rehearsing. Excuse me? Yeah, and, uh, because their tour manager Gage is one of my best friends. So he's like, Hey, you gotta come down. Say hi. It's been a long time. So I go down there to say hi to everybody, and now Josh is playing for them. But, um, playing guitar. Who's a sweetheart? Well, now he's not playing for them, but he's He's an awesome guy, and I love known Josh, and he was, like, 18. And so it was great to see him succeed like that and such a talented guy and sweeter than anybody but anyway. So So I went down there to say hi to everybody, and he was asking about a family member of mine that he knew was struggling with opiates. And I was telling him what was going on. And I said to him, I said, You know, I go, It's gotta be hard for you, you know? Because you being who you are, people want a party with you, of course. And he's like, No, it's it's the same. It's no harder for me than it is for you. And I just kind of went, I don't know.

Brock Goldberg:   1:21:40
I don't know, man. I glad I'm not you. Yeah, you know, it's It's so true because for me finding my calling, finding a purpose in life that I was filling it with something else, right? The opiates. And because I have fibromyalgia. And so So my pain every time I would try to quit, um, I the pain wouldn't go away. And so then I replaced with that. But once I had a purpose and a calling, I was like, Fuck that. You know, this is what I need to focus on. And if I stay with this shit, then I'm not going to be able Thio. And so my life is 180 degrees different at this point, and I can have, you know, some drinks. And I'm completely fine and it's been years. But for him is I know he says it's not, but I

spk_0:   1:22:27
still don't agree with,

Brock Goldberg:   1:22:28
But I don't and then that mean, you know, going through it. No, he is at this different level, and plus,

spk_0:   1:22:36
he can do that and get away with it. If he survives, you know, he couldn't do what he wants. Of course, nobody's gonna fire him because he's doing that. You know what I mean? It's like your life isn't You know, you could still live your life and do that, of course, unless it kills you.

Brock Goldberg:   1:22:53
But what has He could shoot dope in front of a compass. Essentially no. And which almost anybody gave off such times of definitely change. But no, you said you're you're you're you're you're absolutely right. But at the end of the day, addiction is addiction. Is addiction is it's all fucking hard. And he's just trying not, uh, you know, make himself. Yeah, exactly. And and I appreciate your respect to him,

spk_0:   1:23:16
and he's a cook I have never had. I mean, I know some people that have had issues with him, but those were mostly people that don't work with you anymore. Well, it makes sense. But, I mean, I never had a cross word with that guy, and he was always super nice to me and just he was great.

Brock Goldberg:   1:23:33
And so let's we'll bring it back a little bit when you were, you know, touring with them. And how long was Dave part of

spk_0:   1:23:39
U. S. O. So Dave's playing for them. I'm working for him. Everything's cool. Except that it started to get pretty obvious. That day was not happy. And he was still fun to work for. But like it? One thing he had me, he goes, send the runner out for a little TV with a VCR built in. Okay, I go. Okay. Right now we need this, you know, comes back of this thing, and then he has the godfather, right? Eh? So he comes up to me, he goes, I want youto where my rig is set up on stage. I want you to put the TV on there. So it's facing the audience. He goes at the beginning of the show. I want you to put this godfather tape in there. I'm like, Okay. And so what he was doing is watching the Godfather during the show. Shut the fuck up. He's playing the shows and he's watched like he comes over. He goes others When Luca Brasi gets it, you know, it was come here and there in the middle of a show. All he's performed while he's performing. I think it was his way of showing his

Brock Goldberg:   1:24:39
guys. Come on, I'm fucking done.

spk_0:   1:24:40
Yeah, you know, it was really it was It was unusual

Brock Goldberg:   1:24:44
Windham in every weird. And that's just so crazy to me to even think like

spk_0:   1:24:48
that. I thought it was funny, you know,

Brock Goldberg:   1:24:50
various. It's literally hilarious, and I I guess it's kind of hard for me to wrap my head around because I know it's second nature for him to play, and he's playing it so much, but just kind of fucking zone out so disconnected. You want todo people. But he eventually left. Yeah, he

spk_0:   1:25:08
eventually left. And that what we did a Jen's addiction reunion tour, and I worked Really? Yeah, with flea on base, which was really cool. That was I would remember being really excited about being a part of that.

Brock Goldberg:   1:25:20
Yeah, because they were back together earlier. He was, you know. Were you there when Flea had Is the car the card? What? Didn't something happen to him or 11 of them, And run outside peppers or car blew up. Or, um, remember, I'm gonna look that up after, and if I'm wrong, I apologize. It's it's whatever. I

spk_0:   1:25:37
don't member but chan at a motorcycle crash, and so did Anthony.

Brock Goldberg:   1:25:41
Okay. No, no, no. I just remember as a kid. Ah, Rock swear was read out to the purpose. Whatever. It doesn't fucking matter. Yeah, you would. So you were You were You're part of that reunion. Was there bad blood between them? Like not at

spk_0:   1:25:56
the time. Okay, but then it David started using again, and that turned into an issue. But, you know, I have to say, even working for him when he was using in his thing was shooting Cook wasn't really opiate some. Yes, which is unbelievable of you around. Somebody is doing that. It's amazing. But anyway, so he would need to do that like every 15 minutes. Because it does, you know, doesn't last a long time like other things. And he would go behind his amplifier and do it while you're shows. Yeah, like in between songs. And it was really uncomfortable for me. Oh, my God. And everyone else. It just it just right. And plus I Jenny, when we love the guy So I was I remember at one point doing like a little mini Also, while working for them with the chili peppers was when I quit drinking and he was kind of helpful with Lahey, like I went to him and I said, Look, I've got to quit drinking and he looked at me like what? Shock. You know, like, what do you talk about? Go, dude, I'm hammered every night, and he's like, That's so cool. So you shit on, you know, and then he's just like, you know, but so he was kind of instrumental in helping me, you know, which is amazing when you tell people like you from around people and I'm like, yeah, you know, it worked. I quit drinking laws on the road for the rock bed. That's a fucking crazy. It sounds crazy, but if you I know who the rock baby is born and three of the guys were sober,

Brock Goldberg:   1:27:28
Yes, it was the perfect situation. We said at the same time, like a perfect situation,

spk_0:   1:27:33
which is another thing where I kind of like, you know, I don't go into religion and stuff like that, But, I mean, I really feel like there's somebody helping in some ways, Like for sure. What are the chances that I would go work for them and I would need to be with

Brock Goldberg:   1:27:50
them now? I know because it makes it

spk_0:   1:27:52
so anyway, So So I quit drinking in Pittsburgh on the road with those guys. And

Brock Goldberg:   1:27:57
how long has it been?

spk_0:   1:27:58
It's been 20. It'll be 24. You

Brock Goldberg:   1:28:01
Have you had a beer?

spk_0:   1:28:02
No, I haven't had a beer. Haven't smoked just nothing. I got a shot. A de Moreau. When I broke

Brock Goldberg:   1:28:09
my clavicle, that's it. Didn't even were understandable. That's

spk_0:   1:28:15
the worst thing about it. I had a bad reaction. I just sat there nauseous for six, so they gave you too much. I don't know what they did, but

Brock Goldberg:   1:28:22
that's fucked up. Yeah, General sucks. Anyways, gonna feel like shit. And I do everything not to get it. If

spk_0:   1:28:28
when I did my thumb that gave me Dameron I remember 11

Brock Goldberg:   1:28:31
it Well, I think the level of pain that you were going through Thio? Yeah. I was in the hospital a few years ago and I had a morphine pump, morphine drip, and I did. I did like that. But then it stopped working way precedent. I could live like this, But anyway, so, yeah, I

spk_0:   1:28:48
was in the right area to quit drinking and and write plays that Yeah, and I just I remember kind of funny the morning that I decide. We had three days off in Pittsburgh, and I vaguely remember any of it, but, um, the morning of the show, I went into Louise dressing room who was sober, and I go toe not Louis ST Louis's hotel room. I go in there in our he's, you know, we're getting ready to check out to go to a show. You know, it's like about 10 in the morning 11 and I go to Louis and teary eyed. I'm like, Louis, I can't do this anymore. I gotta quit. You know what should I do? And Louis says, What can you

Brock Goldberg:   1:29:28
get through today? There we go.

spk_0:   1:29:31
You know? And I'm like, I can't get through today. I've gone without a day without drink. Yes, he goes. Well, you know what? We gotta show tonight. Just get through today and we'll deal with it tomorrow. It's a travel day. Homer will deal with it tomorrow. I said Okay, great. So I made it through the whole day. I went to sleep. My bunker. We're traveling to wherever Detroit. Whatever. And it's a kind of a fairly long trip. What? Wake up on buses Still moving. And I can't wait to wake up, Louis, because I think he's gonna give me some ray of brilliant genius of how this is gonna how he's gonna help me stop, you know, and I wake him up in his bunk. I'm like a loo. Loo. I made it through the day at, you know? Okay. Now what do I do? Can you make it through today? That's it. And I looked at my goal. That's all you've

Brock Goldberg:   1:30:20
got and getting me. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:30:21
you've got to be shitting. I go all morning of them waiting for this what you're gonna say for big, you know? And he goes, he just shrugged his shoulders because that's pretty much it, really, you know, And it was, you know, and like I said, being around that support group, I mean, they would get together every day, backstage, you know, And they were They were all so much help. Well, it mostly mostly flee mostly Anthony and Flea. I don't think was ever really an addict. Okay? He just you know, he's still he quit doing drugs. When he had a kid, it was just like I don't do that anymore.

Brock Goldberg:   1:30:55
If someone's listening to this and they're struggling with addiction, what would you say to them? Good luck. Damn it. I was expecting more wisdom. Can

spk_0:   1:31:06
you get through today? Yeah, you know, I mean, I don't really go in with a lot of the organized now thing. I mean, there's certain parts of that that I just don't agree with me that are, like cornerstones of it, of course, you know, like, but I think it's different for everybody. Like, I know people that are deep into that program that it helps them a lot for me and a Bell. Yeah, for me, there's just so many things I don't like. I don't wanna mess anybody out, but I mean, like, I don't see it as a disease like other people do. Whoa, whoa. Me. I drank because I liked to drink. But

Brock Goldberg:   1:31:45
what about, like, opiate addiction?

spk_0:   1:31:47
Opiate addiction is so much more physical it as you know, I mean, a lot of people that are doing opiates just want to be no, just don't want to be sick, you know? And it's different than everybody says. It's all the same. And in a way, it is. But in a way, it isn't. I mean, thankfully, I never got into opiates. Um,

Brock Goldberg:   1:32:06
I think you I think you would think differently. And you know what? I respect your answer. Everybody's did. Everyone's different. Everyone's difference. And I think there's different levels to it. I you know,

spk_0:   1:32:19
the most important thing that was support.

Brock Goldberg:   1:32:21
That's it. That's what I

spk_0:   1:32:22
do really is. Say I don't care what your monkey on your back is. If you're around other people that have been ableto live with it and sort it out. That's the biggest thing is, instead of calling your dealer calls. Somebody that's been through it then once that. And there's so many people that want to help you. You know, I told people I know that just like it's it's free. You don't have to go to rehab. You may. If you're you may have to go to detox, of course. But, I mean, I really am not a big believer in rehab. I

Brock Goldberg:   1:32:53
agree. Because I've been in it. Nothing for me.

spk_0:   1:32:56
And yeah, you know, I got an idea. Get a bunch of people that are jonesing for heroin together in one room

Brock Goldberg:   1:33:04
because I literally I got out and I smoked crack for the first time in my entire life, you know? And it was with a guy in rehab, and then when I went to go smoke crack, which was fucking gross with the first and last time ever, Um, the fucking counsel from the rehab was there. Smoking crack way spent 15 grandma Mom's from 15 grand to put me to rehab, and it did nothing. Support, purpose. That's what fucking changed my life. And

spk_0:   1:33:29
everybody knows that people call what I do. Everybody knows somebody who's been through it and been able to survive it. Yes. And that person will help you. Yes, you know, and they're not gonna ask you for a diner. They're gonna help you. And if you talk to that really, to me, the reason I was able to quit it's because I was surrounded by so many guys that work with the chili Peppers are also clean and sober. So that support group is built into that organization.

Brock Goldberg:   1:33:57
It's it's ingrained into that. And it's just so crazy just from the authentic. Where'd you get sober with the red hot chili peppers? Fucking nuts to think about right, If

spk_0:   1:34:06
you don't know. Yeah, you know,

Brock Goldberg:   1:34:08
it's so true. And so although I personally don't agree with a lot of stuff that Entei and A, you know talks about I the support systems support system, you can't beat it. But you can also fuck up through that support system. So you have to find the rights of exas system. Like I

spk_0:   1:34:25
said, a bunch of people jonesing for hair. What, of course isn't really a

Brock Goldberg:   1:34:28
good nominee. Know? So you have to find the right ones and and, you know, I feel for the people that are going through it. Um, but when you're ready, you're fucking ready. One. Exactly.

spk_0:   1:34:40
You just have to be ready. Yeah, Eunice. And sadly, some people never get really

Brock Goldberg:   1:34:45
know, You know, I'm I'm fucking blessing. I would not be here talking with you today. You're in these incredible stories. We're gonna bring it back. Right? OK. Eso

spk_0:   1:34:53
Dave Navarro? Yes. I'm working for him. Having a great time. We do the Jane's addiction thing. He's way off the wagon, but he's still hilarious. I mean, I've never met somebody that could be shooting cocaine every 15 minutes and make you laugh. And he was able to do that. I don't know

Brock Goldberg:   1:35:09
how you did it make you like that. Just can't imagine that. I mean,

spk_0:   1:35:13
it scared me. There was one point. Remember in Phoenix during the Jane's Addiction to her? I pulled him aside in I cried because I thought he was gonna die. And I loved him. I mean, I genuinely Dave Navarro, if you know him. I know you seem the tattoos show he seems kind of cocky, whatever to show he's He's a very, very lovable person. He's very sweet and very cool and funny as hell. Dark humor.

Brock Goldberg:   1:35:41
I love that. So I if if I was recorded and 90% of the fucking jokes I make, I would be fucked, right? Oh, yeah. I love dark humor. I love to assume, because it's just jokes. Oh, my God. Okay, so sorry.

spk_0:   1:35:55
But anyway so So he was. He was He was having serious issues and they were doing rehearsals for some shows we're going to do. Look, I think up north anyway. So day was at rehearsals, just a mess. And finally, and I had given him a ride home and it got ugly. It was he was just not even playing just completely lost it. So he's I was out in the hallway. He's like, Dave, can you give me a ride home? I shouldn't be driving. I'm like, Yeah, sure, David Day. And so we get to the house and he starts with it. He starts talking about how him and Anthony are getting along. And it's obvious, because Anthony's really trying to stay clean and David's way off the wagon, So it's not a good situation. So, uh, this is kind of funny. I saw the writing on the wall, and so I'm a Dave's house with him and Dave goes, Oh, shit. Look, walking up the driveway is Chad in? Anthony?

Brock Goldberg:   1:36:58
Shut the fuck up. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:37:00
they're coming up the driveway, and Dave's like, Oh, shit. You know what they're gonna do, you know? So they come to the door and I walk outside, and Chad was tape. What he goes. Lily told me that you filed for unemployment yesterday. He goes, Is that true? I go, Yeah. And he goes, Wow, you really saw the writing on the wall. You said he as I did. Shut up. It's crazy, right? What? Whoa. I think he just started laughing. He's like, Dude, that's amazing. Something what happened? So, I mean, they was out, you know? And it it wasn't like he was fired like people go. Oh, Dave Navarro was fired. He wasn't really fired. It just ended his times. Yeah, you know, the whole thing just kind of ended.

Brock Goldberg:   1:37:47
Thanks for bringing light to that. Because I know a lot of people from the outside have their own Yeah, thoughts. And shut the fuck up with the man that

spk_0:   1:37:54
nobody. He wasn't fired. It just ended. And then the years where he gets crazy. I go back to the studio to start packing stuff up and flee is still there. And Louis in, Anthony and Chad come back while we're packing stuff up and flee. Had been hanging out with John for Santi, who has gotten clean now, all right. And he says, You know, John said that he wouldn't be opposed to coming back. What? And Anthony looks. Margo's wouldn't be opposed thing. And then I looked at Flea and I go, I go. Is he okay? Because I had only met John one. Okay, And that's a funny story to meddle in Police House. And he goes, I'II goes well. He

Brock Goldberg:   1:38:40
thinks he's okay. I got.

spk_0:   1:38:42
And then a few months later, John's back. He's back in the band. Ah, he needed a guitar Tech and Louis says to Jon, he goes, Look, you know, why don't you get the lead? Todo Louis used to joke around me a lot because he said it was the first professional they'd ever hired. Like everybody that works for them is a friend who needed a

Brock Goldberg:   1:39:04
job. No yakking away. Sometime on saying musicians,

spk_0:   1:39:07
you know, whoever it might need a job and their friend. And it's It's a good job, you know? So I mean, even one of the guys from Fishbone works for them. Sometimes in a dirty water. One of my favorite people in the world so anyways, walked over when we were on the road. I go. So how do you like working as a roadie? You know, because he's a horn player for fish bone? Yeah. You know, he goes well, Dave, he goes. I've been on the road many times. He goes, I've never been this comfortable. And I never made

Brock Goldberg:   1:39:36
this much day. You need to do two things you need to tell. You need to start your own podcast. Just talking about you're fucking stories. And you could probably bring on some of the most insane people for shit. Number two, you need to write a book. I did

spk_0:   1:39:54
write a book. What? Where the fuck is it? It's a computer stuck in my garage somewhere. Why don't you put it out? That's another story. Anthony had just put out

Brock Goldberg:   1:40:03
Scott to scar tissue. Okay, great fucking great books. You have not read it. You need to go buy it. Listen to it. Do whatever is amazing.

spk_0:   1:40:10
So in times where the chili peppers weren't working, they'd take sometimes 68 months off. I went and worked for other bands like it worked for corner, worked for Ozzy, but I still have my chili peppers. Others after John was back in the band

Brock Goldberg:   1:40:22
once you hit route site once you get red hot chili peppers, right? Yeah, There's a lot. That was it. That does a lot for your resume. What did corn once I did, Oz? Yeah, you

spk_0:   1:40:30
kind of end up. You're kind of at a place there where now you can you get offered work, you know? So and it was great because I was single and just doing working a lot. But anyway, so So Anthony was telling him, you know, we I don't have done some Ozzy stuff. We're back on the road, and I was telling some Ozzy story because there's a 1,000,000,000 of them and these amazing

Brock Goldberg:   1:40:52
I want to know a couple.

spk_0:   1:40:53
Oh, yes. Oh, So I'm telling Ozzy story, and then Anthony kind of in the dressing room, Anthony pulls me aside, and he goes, Dave, look, he goes, You've got better stories than Ideo I'm like, really Anthony? Yeah, that you've got better stories than I do. He goes, I'm wrote a book. He goes, You should write a book. He goes, I'll put you in touch with a literary guy that I have And you should really should write a book You need it And I'm like all right And then he said, But I've got a little advice. Be careful. He goes in my book I told a story that Flea didn't know about and it really pissed him off. He goes, So you got to be careful, you know, I said, All right, so the next day, we had a day off in Milan, Italy, and I got my computer. I've never written a book and I just started talking about when I was in a band. You know what made me wanna talk about the monk?

Brock Goldberg:   1:41:50
Just everything that's going on right here.

spk_0:   1:41:52
Basically, Yeah. Started putting all this stuff down, and I remember when my mom passed away, So, like it was the weirdest thing. I spent the whole day at Milan assed Arctic ugly town, so I'm not missing anything melodically. I know. It sounds so romantic. Milan If you like graffiti, that's your place. All fucking loved meeting graffiti. No bad graffiti. Not like graffiti and grey buildings. That's Milan.

Brock Goldberg:   1:42:15
People don't think that a lot, but

spk_0:   1:42:17
so I just sat in the next thing I knew I was like, 20 pages into this in one day. It just started flowing. Of course you know. So I wrote all that and I got up to I think I got up to faith. No more overtime, you know? And I got about 60 80 pages in and got in touch with Anthony's guy and he said, Well, send me, you know, like, 30 pages, you know, I said, Okay, so I sent it to him and he said it Look, he goes, I'll tell you, it's really really interesting and well written. He said. It's really well written. You did a great job, he said. But there's two problems, he goes, one. You'd have to clear every one of those stories with the people that are in them. He goes, or they consider you. He goes the Ozzy stories. There's no way that his wife is gonna let

Brock Goldberg:   1:43:07
Ha ha ha. So you'd have to change his name he

spk_0:   1:43:11
goes and believe me, she Mozzie shame Osborne

Brock Goldberg:   1:43:13
is not is interesting. Okay, so this is what you do. You start a podcast.

spk_0:   1:43:17
Well, he suggested you. This was before podcast. Okay, so he suggested a blogger. I didn't know what a block was

Brock Goldberg:   1:43:23
fucking a podcast. Yeah, it was a gas man. You can come here. You can record. It brings some people just sit in the back off, recorded off where you get it edited. And I mean, listen, man, you really should think about it, because the stories that you have and I know that you have, you have friends and people want to hear this stuff. It's it's not only awesome toa listen to, but it's inspiring.

spk_0:   1:43:45
Well, what's amazing to me is we haven't even gotten to the the meat of the chili Peppers thing When John comes back, that's that was amazing because I was used to work. Like I said, John needed a guy and Louie Louie told me. He said, Hey, why don't you have Dave Leader now? I'm off working for corner Ozzy back and forth. So, like, um, John was like, Well, he works for Dave, you know, and Louis goes well, Dave's not working on and David Lee needs a job, you know? So John was okay. He's like, all right, you know? So I went and I started working with John. Now, this is where it gets difficult in a way, because it's hard to describe John without, I don't know without, it's almost like you have to know him to understand him. He is a very kind hearted person, Okay, But at times, he could be a little difficult. So at times, he could be a lot difficult. But I mean, yeah, you know, But I genuinely love him, and it's kind of almost like I would take a bullet for him, You know what I mean? I really loved that guy worked very closely with I worked very, very closely with him for nine years.

Brock Goldberg:   1:45:06
You know, people that that that, you know, listening. Ah, Anthony's the lead singer. John is the the lead guitar guitar playing guitar player. Yeah, Flea is big space player. Chad's on. Okay. Yeah, I

spk_0:   1:45:22
love it so much. But anyways, so I start working for John, and John is very particular. He plays all vintage stuff, all of his gears. Answer vintage his battles. Most of them are vintage, hard to find, stuff that is hard to keep work.

Brock Goldberg:   1:45:38
And this was before, like the Internet really exploded.

spk_0:   1:45:41
It was before the Internet exploded, but his stuff like his keys into vintage gear and you're doing big tours all over the world. It's hard to keep that stuff working. And so it was a huge learning thing for me. I learned on it, worked out well, like it was so funny because John, the first few months he hardly said two words to me. He was very quiet, and I was really uncomfortable with that.

Brock Goldberg:   1:46:08
I can understand that.

spk_0:   1:46:09
And I kept talking a Louis who's known him for since before. Yeah, and Louis was like a like a Louie Man, I go Why this guy talked to me, you know, it's okay, he goes. No news is good news. If he's not saying anything, it's okay. Okay. So then one night there, one day we're doing a show, and, uh, he looks at me like he wants to say something, and I come, I go out Any whispers in my ear, he says, I need more bass in the side Fill, you know, is yes. Monitors and I stepped back and our production manager was gunning Chris Kanzi at that used to be a guitar technologies production. And these funny is healthy. And he goes, he was there for the push to get stuff anyway, So Chris Kanzi looks amigos. Did he just talk to you? He was. What did he say? Like everybody was like looking at me like, Wow, he talked and and I said Go, he asked. He asked me who I am and why I'm following him around. Ah, now, of course, that was a joke, of course, but like that story has, like Chris Kanzi told somebody told him, and it's kind of like that thing where it becomes reality. And I've had so many people come up to me and go, Dude, I heard that you worked for John and he didn't even know you were. That was fun. It's become like an urban legend that people think it really happened.

Brock Goldberg:   1:47:33
And so that kind of thing that you said that I said a za June and it just kind of just and

spk_0:   1:47:39
he told somebody else who told somebody else and At some point, it became Wow, this guy worked for John John, and you know, he was the

Brock Goldberg:   1:47:45
course, John. Oh, my gosh. And so then you guys start to kind of build a relationship. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:47:55
we did, actually. And it started one day. We were doing a sound check in, uh, a small town in in Italy somewhere beautiful place. I forget the name of it. But anyways, in a small city there and this beautiful, like Roman look like the Coliseum. Beautiful place where they still do shows. And we did a sound check during the day and I wasn't paying attention. I didn't realize they were done. I was looking with binoculars at this place, you know, looking around and I little binoculars down. And John just standing there with the guitar, ready to hand it to me. I kind of got startled him. Old fitness. Sorry, I wasn't paying attention. And then you looked at me and he goes, He goes, Dave, I just want you to know you're doing a great job, and I really appreciate it. Shop on. And that was one of the first things that he really said to me. And I'm like, Wow, think some go. And it really felt good because at the time I was like, I don't know if I want to work for this guy, you know, because I didn't know him and it was uncomfortable at first, But then a B B. I began to know who he waas and what he's about a while, and I'm such a sweet guy. I mean, such a I swear if I didn't know him, I wouldn't believe it. But he's the real deal. Like people. How could he quit the Chili Peppers? Was he really is not there to be a rock star really is not. In fact, when he joined the band, they were playing smaller places and he thought that's all it was. And he understands and appreciates a lot of money for sure. You know, he knows that it's given him a life where he can do what he wants. But at the same time, he I swear to God I wouldn't believe it if I saw it. He is not there to be a rock star. He really is crazy and it is even uncomfortable with and people go. Why does he has quit the Chili Peppers twice because he doesn't like being a rock star.

Brock Goldberg:   1:49:52
And so they respect it. The band or no. Um, no. They

spk_0:   1:49:55
would rather he stayed,

Brock Goldberg:   1:49:57
but it did it twice. He did it twice. And now he's back again. I know, I know. I remember. He didn't he, uh I can't even say that. I don't know if you can. What? Well, then you get a taxi. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:50:08
you know, I mean, he wanted me to come over and take a look at his straps and hang out for sure. I hadn't seen him in 10 years. And, uh, so I went, I guess, Yeah. I mean, cat's out of the back, but, you know, went over there and, um, he, you know, he said that he had hung out a couple of times with flea or whatever had been a flea's wedding, like, a week before. Damn. And then, you know, we talked it, and most of what we talked about was why he quit, you know, because I told him I said, You know, people are always asked me why you quit. I go and give them my version. Is it right? You know, am I saying the right thing? And I told him

Brock Goldberg:   1:50:48
he goes, Yeah, it's

spk_0:   1:50:48
pretty close, you know? It's kind of like I compared to Dave Chappelle quitting his TV show? Yes, if you've got yes. If you've got enough money to live on like nobody could understand. Average person can't understand somebody walking away from 50 million

Brock Goldberg:   1:51:01
now. But it's fucking respect. It's it's

spk_0:   1:51:04
you got enough money to live on the rest of your life. Of course, making more of that money is making you miserable. Yeah, you want to make a lot of money to be happy. If making that money is taking away from your happiness quarter point that you're miserable, why do it? You know? And that's basically what happened to Dave Chappelle. And that's what's happened to John twice. But so if the crazy thing is

Brock Goldberg:   1:51:25
great out here

spk_0:   1:51:26
Yeah, and I told him that, and he goes,

Brock Goldberg:   1:51:27
Yeah, that's pretty much it that you know,

spk_0:   1:51:30
something I'm like, OK, well, he's better than this was, like a month ago, a little over a month ago, And he I'm hanging out with him and I'm like, Wow, I've never seen him this happy. He is a very well adjusted happy person right now is like a great girlfriend. Supercool chef girl, you know, just

Brock Goldberg:   1:51:51
awesome. Just just happy. How old do you think you know

spk_0:   1:51:53
John is I think he's, like, 15 years younger than me. Maybe, maybe a little less. Okay, he's 10 years because the other chill is 10 years younger. So because, like, all the other, like Flea and Anthony and chatter, right about my age, like a year younger and he's 10 years younger than them, So Damn probably close to 50 now.

Brock Goldberg:   1:52:14
Damn, that's that's over easy to me. Because I remember in the night like the nineties when obviously you were with them in the nineties from 95 95 on. Yeah, they were just like, it's just kind of like they're imprinted in my brain. And then to think that the 50 not that it's fucking old or anything. That's just crazy. Time doesn't freakin stop now that he, uh, you know, seems like he's found happiness. You know, you as a friend. Now I mean to think where it came from or where it is now it is, It's It's night and day, and once again I appreciate you man, uh, opening up because there are a whole bunch of people out there. Um, you know, life gets fucking hard. And one thing that you've done is you have just pushed through your your personality. People are attracted to it. I totally just even see that. You know, the few times that, you know, I saw you working, right, And you're about your shit, and you got great fucking stories and and and great energy. Um, so after how much longer you with the chili peppers?

spk_0:   1:53:17
We'll see. John came back, and at first we did a few shows, okay? Just so he could get his field back. And then they went and wrote and recorded Californication. And that was when I went to go work for Corn and Ozzy and people like that. It was about a year that I was working for other people and those, you know, those are stories in themselves. But then then, you know, they get ready to go on the road again. And, you know, you know, John had already said I didn't work on the Californication album. Louis did all that stuff, and John was fresh back in the band. So that really wasn't They didn't really need a guy watching him. I got it. But from that point on, I worked on all the records with him. But, um, So you did this studio work? Well, Yeah. Not Californication, but everything's, you know, ball John was there. And then So, uh, so we get on the road and, you know, the Remember I was This shows up. Why? I'm not like artist relations guy for a record label is I'm the worst person in the world at picking. What songs? Going to be big. And what is it? I thought moves like Jagger was the biggest mistake. Maroon five could have made it this. Yeah,

Brock Goldberg:   1:54:26
and then it just

spk_0:   1:54:27
the drummer agreed with me, though that agreed with me, but anyways, yeah, And then that the day it came out, it was number one. Yes, but anyways, yeah, the voice was helping to, but anyway, so So, Louis, you know, you get together with Lily, and he's like, Hey, you know, we're getting ready to go on the road. Your album's done. You want to hear the first single? He was called scar tissue here. I can't share. You know, it's Let's hear it, you know? So he's got, like, a master tape B c d think he puts it in, and I'm listening to it. And I listen to the whole song from beginning and didn't say a word. And I looked at Louis and it said, Thank God I got that corn thing to fall back shot. Shut the fuck out. I thought it was terrible. I was like, This is this is it, you know? And then scar tissue comes out. They won a Grammy for best song, and

Brock Goldberg:   1:55:14
it's so fucking good. It's so good. It's really not. Yeah, I totally had it the first time I

spk_0:   1:55:20
heard it. I was not

Brock Goldberg:   1:55:21
about me. And that song comes on. Can

spk_0:   1:55:23
you believe that? Can you believe somebody working, you know, has the opportunity to work for the red hot chili peppers and out of his mouth comes that I got corn

Brock Goldberg:   1:55:32
thinking back. You were joking slightly. I was. Yeah,

spk_0:   1:55:37
but then, you know, not long after that, I had been working for corn and then came the, uh, Woodstock and the Chili Peppers. We're gonna play that. And so I was working back with them. But corn was playing also. So at that thing, I worked for corn on, I think Friday and then worked for the Chili Peppers. Fixed day you

Brock Goldberg:   1:55:58
were at 96 Woodstock 60. This was 99. 99 99 99 was that the woman like shit got fucking fires.

spk_0:   1:56:06
But we had no idea it was They played, I guess Jimi Hendrix's sister was there and she asked them if they'd play fire. You know, Jimi Hendrix saw. And so they did it at the end, and we didn't realize that we could see fires, but we thought they were just little bonfires. We didn't realize that, like this place was burning down. What

Brock Goldberg:   1:56:26
was that event like? I mean, was it just another event for you? Or was it

spk_0:   1:56:29
was It was just another big festival that nothing really different. It

Brock Goldberg:   1:56:34
wasn't like, Oh, this is fucking Woodstock. I mean, what stock is one of the most iconic, you know, concert festivals, its original Coachella, if you will. But you know, you and it's a

spk_0:   1:56:45
comic, you know, really

Brock Goldberg:   1:56:46
allow it. It's what and not that it's whatever, but it's just doing your job.

spk_0:   1:56:50
It's really back there. It's just another crazy fest. Of course. Only a lot more naked BBS, including flee. Who came out on naked?

Brock Goldberg:   1:56:59
I do. I remember that. I was.

spk_0:   1:57:01
There's video. There's a funny video on youtube that for they opened with around the world.

Brock Goldberg:   1:57:08
Okay, so So we're gonna pull this separate quick. Oh, yeah. All right.

spk_0:   1:57:11
You get a good shot of me doing what I do best.

Brock Goldberg:   1:57:14
Shut the hacker. Are you in this?

spk_0:   1:57:17
Well, you know, the thing is, is John started the song. He was playing a old fender Mustang when it was sold fender guitar, and it had all these switches that are kind of confusing. Okay. And the two pickups have their own volume control. So he was on one pickup for the opening that did it. And it's something they do at the beginning. It's on. Then, when he switched, the other pick up, the volume was now and so that remain on. You don't mean I mean, nothing was coming out, So you accidentally I know. I just I realized what he had done, and I ran hokey, but I run out in front of him and I turned the volume up on his guitar, and then I run off. It's really

Brock Goldberg:   1:57:58
fun. I'm gonna put So wait, you're in the actual video. Didn't

spk_0:   1:58:01
see me clearly. Of course, I'm about £80 thinner.

Brock Goldberg:   1:58:05
Is that for for you? Is there any, like, iconic moments where you actually you know, you messed up? Oh, yeah, there's a bunch of it. There's a bunch of what happens in those moments because

spk_0:   1:58:16
there's one of me and Adam. There's like a lot of the colored gift for Jennifer. Whatever of me bringing the guitar out of the wrong time

Brock Goldberg:   1:58:25
shut. And so what? At what

spk_0:   1:58:27
he I realize that I do one of those. Never mind. And I turn around and walk up and he runs behind to start spanking me on my butt running

Brock Goldberg:   1:58:34
shot out. It's funny. Yeah. Okay, I got it. Here we go. That's up to you started. All right. Sets bits playing right now. There's something you should make. It is completely make it that you're sober. Oh, yeah. Oh, my God. That's so fun. Was that you?

spk_0:   1:58:52
No, no, no. That's the photographer, Tony. A lot

Brock Goldberg:   1:58:54
of him, you know? That's Tracy. It's his basic on tour. Okay, so what? We just got in the world Damn

spk_0:   1:59:01
Know what you'll see John start playing, you know, opens with a base

Brock Goldberg:   1:59:07
eloped. Flocking Now, that's really so weird to play naked, right? I feel,

spk_0:   1:59:15
you know, if if I had what he had, I'd be

Brock Goldberg:   1:59:20
a dude's packed in a fucking

spk_0:   1:59:25
But, you know, I joke around with

Brock Goldberg:   1:59:26
him. I said you checked it. It looks big. On him is the tallest. He's about five. Exactly. Damn. He's only had the blue hair. Yeah, burger. Okay, now what's Jones starts playing guitar? Dan. That's fucking beautiful. Okay, See these over here? Okay. Fucking remember this. What? You know what? This is great. Here

spk_0:   1:59:55
comes apart. No guitar messing with switches. What's wrong? I run out. Turn it

Brock Goldberg:   2:0:03
back out. Yeah, that's you. And he just starts playing again. Oh, my gosh, That's fucking crazy. That's so fucking crazy. And so did they talk shit afterwards? No. Now,

spk_0:   2:0:19
I don't even remember anybody talking about it

Brock Goldberg:   2:0:21
afterward. So when when things go bad or, like, not bad, But like, things go down, Is there ever a moment? Like where the person that got really mad at you. Oh yeah, yeah. John

spk_0:   2:0:30
John would freak out. There's Vichy. Those people send me videos of him, just like losing it, like completely losing it like melting down. And there's one. I don't know where there's one where I'm because here's the thing. If something goes wrong, if your guitar player and something was wrong with your guitar right, the worst thing you could do is stop playing because I need to fix what's wrong. Yes, and if you stop playing, how do I know if I fixed it? You know what I mean?

Brock Goldberg:   2:1:01
Right? Right,

spk_0:   2:1:01
So he would stop. And then I've got the guitar and I'm like, strumming it, trying to figure

Brock Goldberg:   2:1:08
out all the music is going.

spk_0:   2:1:09
Yeah, well, or they'll stop and flee will try to cause a diversion. And because his crazy pedal board has, like, you know, 2025 petals, I've got a trouble shoot all that you know. And sometimes it takes a while and he would lose it. He would completely lose it,

Brock Goldberg:   2:1:27
but then he would just get over it, and then he'd get over. Of course, a man, that's it was a lot of stress. That's not be so fucking stressful. Yeah,

spk_0:   2:1:34
it really was. Because you've got, you know, 12,000 people looking at you like you're an asshole. You know what I mean? Because you're the reason it's not working

Brock Goldberg:   2:1:42
for him. And so do they. Start the song over. They just thought

spk_0:   2:1:45
they usually start over. Okay, but train wrecks it a chilli never show are quite common.

Brock Goldberg:   2:1:51
Why? I don't know.

spk_0:   2:1:53
They'll just like something will go wrong either. Stop. But one time one time we were we were doing we were on tour, of course. And we're doing Ah, that a song called Venice Queen. Okay. And it started off with John would make what they call a loop. Yes, he had his pedal that would record a loop. And he'd make these sounds of the volume battle centered come like whales. And he would do it every night would make a new one. Before this, it was pretty cool. He'd record a little thing while it's goes. And then they'd start playing the song. And that loop would keep playing until it a point where he'd turn it

Brock Goldberg:   2:2:28
off. And so every every night, he would just make a new

spk_0:   2:2:30
every night he'd make a new look. It's only yeah, 15 seconds or so. That's pretty cool. Yeah, you know, it's pretty cool. It was different every night, and that's one of the really brilliant things about him I love. That's his Solos are vastly different every night of every song that he just plays. What he feels, he says, not sit there and go. Here's the notes to this cookie cutter. It's never cook.

Brock Goldberg:   2:2:49
I love that. That's awesome, because you it's really art. Yeah, it everybody. Some

spk_0:   2:2:55
people want to hear exactly like that,

Brock Goldberg:   2:2:57
of course, and respect to that.

spk_0:   2:2:59
But yeah, he just to him, if he's in a crappy mood like there's some times where solos would be like inveigh, ripping other nights would be one note over and over his whatever he's feeling. But he could make one note over and over sound cool. I don't know how he it's

Brock Goldberg:   2:3:17
amazing. So what does he even do during his off 10 minutes now covers?

spk_0:   2:3:22
Well, he at home. He makes records solo albums. He names records for friends. He's got all this stuff building his house down and leave board in his house. This beautiful old need board,

Brock Goldberg:   2:3:34
and he's been a part of all the biggest albums.

spk_0:   2:3:37
Yeah, he just It's just it's It's a one of those rare things and not gonna try to compare the Chili peppers with the Beatles or leads

Brock Goldberg:   2:3:47
on man, but they're fucking. It's one of

spk_0:   2:3:49
those rare occurrences. Were those four people, no matter how dysfunctional it. Maybe those four people work as a unit. That's asking, and it just doesn't seem to work if they making each other changes. I don't know that Josh Clean Offer is a brilliant musician. You can play every instrument you can imagine and a super sweet guy and a lot of fun and does impressions like you wouldn't believe. But he doesn't presence of people you know he doesn't love. I love that because everyone and I know he does me. But he won't do in front of me. And he

Brock Goldberg:   2:4:23
doesn't spot on. Opie got every whack. Yeah, should be a comedian. He

spk_0:   2:4:27
could be, and he's really funny. He came from him and Chad came in Room five show in the in Australia. Oh shit. And Chad is friends with with anthem with a Adam Levine. They became because of me. I look at you, you know, But they became buddies, and I knew they would, cause they're both cool like that. And so Chad came to show he brought brought Josh with him, and it was so funny. Um, like, towards the end of the set, I looked behind me and Josh chatter still there. You know, usually people come for a few songs and I go over to Josh. I go. I'm surprised you're still here when Josh goes

Brock Goldberg:   2:5:06
here. And me too. Yes, but they're homeys. Didn't they Were just already in Australian, so yeah,

spk_0:   2:5:16
they were there. They were

Brock Goldberg:   2:5:17
touring. Damn, that went all the way out of Australia. But the red hot chili peppers, man. I mean, you you can put them up with their grades because they're fucking that good. And they really are. They they have these albums that just strike a fucking court inside your body and brings you to a time, whatever moment you're in and it's all up to the individual, right? For for me, it's gonna be me for someone else to be someone else. But, you know, for you I wonder because you hear this. You've heard it over and over and over and over and over then, um, and now it's been many years. Is it different for you? Yeah, I'll tell you, I had

spk_0:   2:5:53
an interesting thing happened when they played. I guess about two years ago they played it Staples. And I went, you know, my wife and I went now and they did a song called The Zephyr Song. Okay, that I remember when they recorded that. So I'm gonna remember they recorded a lot of them and working for John being his guitar tech. You really especially in a studio. He'll go. I want kind of this sound and you do the sound. He doesn't go over there and twist the knobs. It's like, What is this what you're talking about? You know, that's what I want, you know? So it kind of it's kind of like you feel like you're pretty important part of the process. Tagro Partners. Yeah, and it's it's cool when they did Zephyr Song, which was a hit, but it wasn't like under the bridge, But I mean, when they started, the thing is the 1st 3 notes d'oh I would want would set up his aunt's for shows. I've gotta check the different sounds and make sure that right, you know, and make little adjustments. I would play those three notes because I know exactly what those notes are supposed to sound like. I'm being I'm like, Okay, that's what I gotta dialed in. And one time we were getting ready to record be stuff. It was in between albums, and I was sitting front that I don't know, John was there yet and I was sitting I was a dealing room here, and it occurred to me that that, um what is it, huh? Willy Wonka's chocolate factory. Okay. Oh, yeah. Imagination. Right. And I'm like, Dude, you know, I'm like then I started kind of just kind of fell into that song. It's just simple notes, you know, it's nothing crazy. I'm not a guitar player by any means. And I'm just like I started playing that song. And then I turned around and John is standing there, like with his mouth hanging open. And I'm like, What's up? And he goes, I never realized Shut the fuck out. What he goes. I was watching that movie at that time that I wrote that song not watching, but he would been into that movie. Yes, it had been, He goes. I didn't even realize that it's those three notes of the same three notes crackers. I had no idea.

Brock Goldberg:   2:8:13
That's the power of music, you

spk_0:   2:8:15
know. And so that song is kind of. It brings me back to that memory of just him and I alone in the studio and him telling me that and this kind of cool connection that way. And then So here I am at Staples Center of John's not in the band, Josh's plane, and they start playing that song and the place goes ape shit, right? Which kind of surprised me because I never kind when you're in the bubble, you don't really know how big certain songs scar tissue. Yeah, well, I realize that, but I mean, you don't you kind of you hear the songs all the time. You don't really associate it with what the world is due. Of course. So So I hear him at Staples Center. Obviously packed in for me. It's the first time I ever saw the chili peppers from out in the audience, you know, crazy, right? So I get to hear the whole mix and everything. It was great. And they start playing that something. The place goes crazy, and I'm kind of standing there. I'm looking at all these people and I'm like nobody in here knows my story about this song. And I know and so it's kind of important to me and to see everybody losing their mind like that. It gave me a really kind of good feeling of like like I felt like I was part of something important, yes, and so it really struck me hard. Then after the show, I went in the dressing room and, well, they had, like, a little party back there, and I was talking to Chad and cause the other guy's kind of hide out they don't really hang out with. And so I'm talking to Chad, and I told him that, you know, I said I could have saved and I go Zephyr song ago. It really made me feel like I was a part of something musically important. And he looked at me and he goes, Dave, you are a part of that and you should understand, you know, and I was like, Ah, thanks you know, I never really thought of that, You know, really, really felt made me feel good.

Brock Goldberg:   2:10:02
And so I go back to what I said before is that you are you are that you know that that unwritten member of the band, you are an integral part of the band. Their history? I don't

spk_0:   2:10:14
know about Integra. I mean, there's a

Brock Goldberg:   2:10:16
band, but it doesn't matter. You were there for such a long time. Yeah,

spk_0:   2:10:22
and became like with John when we had, like, such a good connection. It was like the management was like, Okay, we got to keep this guy around because we don't want to try to get somebody else. So John had me working all of his solo albums and all that stuff with him too, Which was a lot of work. But, you know, it's

Brock Goldberg:   2:10:43
it's part of your history.

spk_0:   2:10:44
What is this? This crazy artist guy who will work until four. In the morning, You know, and I'm sitting, going.

Brock Goldberg:   2:10:50
Come on, come on, come on. Yeah, but I just want to go back to what I said. You know how he was watching, You know, Willy wanker around that time, and it came through in the music. Well, your your personality, you being there, everything that you did this that and the other. It definitely has to come through the music 100% especially for an individual that is there for such a long period of time. You no longer than you know that, John. Yeah,

spk_0:   2:11:15
which is funny. I literally was there longer. We'll run longer than Dave for sure, but yeah, it's kind of funny that, like I outlasted the guitar that was there when I started that so and then when John left again, Josh came in. Now, at that time they had taken two years off. John said he needed two years before he knew if he was gonna make another Chili Peppers record. So Flea and I had started a side business. This thing called flea bass. That's a whole different story. Wait. Seriously? Yeah, he wanted he talkin started visibly. Three. Owns a music school, Okay. Called a Silverlake Conservatory of Music. It's a serious, really well respected music school, and it's a non profit, so he's very proud of it, and he ought to be, you know, any it's it's really something, and they provide music lessons for kids that can't afford it. And unfortunately to him, a lot of celebrities want to get their kids in there. And so he's like, Okay, you know, great. But at the same time, he's That's not what it's for, but it also helps to fund absolutely make it. What's so? He gets that and they do benefit every year. And Metallica played at everybody. The bands that play that thing, you're insane, you know? But But anyways, it's great, and they make money for the school. And they do this thing because to flee like fleas. Says if it wasn't for music in schools that he would be either dead or in jail, he said he would definitely have become a criminal. And he said, because of music he played, the trumpet was his instrument. That's crazy. I know. And he still plays. The trumpet is really good.

Brock Goldberg:   2:13:07
I don't help bad. Yeah, exactly. Big shocker. Yeah,

spk_0:   2:13:12
you know what? So if you listen to his bass playing, a lot of it is similar to trumpet like, but what

Brock Goldberg:   2:13:19
about back? You know, I think kind of things fucking nasty. Yeah, he's

spk_0:   2:13:23
a nasty. He's amazing, but anyway. So So he was playing these modular space. Is that silver One in the video there? Two grand, you know, or more. And we were talking in the dressing room, and he was, you know, he knows. It's so weird that you know, these guys, they'll give me these bases, you know? They give them to him, have his name on it. He goes, But I don't make any money off from their the ones making money. He goes And he goes, I have a nonprofit music school, but I play a $2000 instrument. He goes, That doesn't make sense. He goes, I wish that I had my own bases and I could sell them for 100 bucks. I said, Let's do it was what I go. Let's do it. I'll do it with you. I go, I'll make the base. And he goes. He looked at me Like what? Yeah, Go. Why not speaking an idea? Why not have your own based company? You know, and he goes, You're right. Let's do it. He goes, Okay, partner. And he shakes hands. So, you know, during the next break, I built a base in my garage took it to his house. He's like, It's perfect. I love it. Okay, great. So well, he wanted envious, cheapest possible, but still be professional qualities. So we found a manufacturer in China that we went visited first to make sure that it was cool and the people weren't. You know, that's child labor, whatever. It was actually very clean, air conditioned. You

Brock Goldberg:   2:14:51
get that in China and you have to look.

spk_0:   2:14:53
That's where Fender makes their training out of other people. So it's it's a, you know, it's not legitimate. So we went over It started, you know, brought from the prototype. They started building these bases. I was really proud of it. And this is something kind of funny. I have this what people would call a dream job, but everybody I know almost everybody that does this is kind of trying to find something else, because it's great to get paid to travel around the world. Yes, but at the same time, it's difficult if you wanna have a family. I've been married a couple times, at least on it's It's difficult in that it and, to be honest, a little too much information. None of the problems of my relationships had had anything to do with cheating. Like I never cheated on anybody and got cheated on. But it's just still difficult. Spect it's some of it. Some of it is resentment in a way. Yes, like even my wife Now she works all the time. Full time, high stress job. She's also going to school to get a master's degree. She's under a lot of pressure. She doesn't make as much as I do to hang out with rock stars. Yes, you know, and that does cause issues, Lenny. But it's like of course, you know, running around in your crimes should be like, you know, I don't get to travel around the world. Have fun for a little of

Brock Goldberg:   2:16:13
course, absolutely. But I e here's the thing like I don't like for me and my job. I traveled like 70 days last year through the United States, right? You know, doing hair and it's fucking I've been doing it for a decade now, and it was amazing when I first did it. Yeah, um, and it's it's still cool, and I feel super blessed, right? But then you know it's a job is a job. At the end of the day, you come in, you go out, you come in, you go out Sometimes you'd stay a little bit and almost I don't get to hang out with rock stars, but, um, it it's it's not what people perceive on the outside. And maybe that's different for you. I mean, obviously this in your stories. But from the outside, you know, like, Oh, my God, it's the best fucking job in the world paying. And yes, it's amazing. But it's not everything that everyone thinks from the outside because there are struggles. There are up. Yeah, sure, it did take my wife and I a long time for her toe, you know? I mean, I hang out with tons of girls all the frickin time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so it takes

spk_0:   2:17:15
a cosmetology world could be shadier than the rock business. One

Brock Goldberg:   2:17:19
percent. I definitely agree with you. I mean, if anything, I mean, there's a lot of women. There's definitely a lot of women like there's a hair show coming up that we have a massive booth, my company, and it's gonna be 50,000 people like 45,000 women, right Yeah, and so, you know, for for for, you know, significant others. It can be a challenge for sure. I

spk_0:   2:17:38
wouldn't want my wife traveler in the world.

Brock Goldberg:   2:17:41
Right? Exactly. But, you know, it's where the cookie crumbles at the end of the day, and ah, there. I mean, you're fucking doing it.

spk_0:   2:17:49
But anyway, so, So, so, so flee. You know, we start this business, we're making these bases, and it was really difficult to get the quality control, right? Yeah. I mean, you make them in China. Yes. They're not gonna come out like stuff that's buried here and flee. Started to kind of lose. Like his heart just wasn't in it at some point. Um, and I understand that in the point of the business was it was not gonna be a nonprofit was business and make money. And he even said he goes, I got my non profit here. This will be a money making business, you know? Okay. Great. And we almost broke even the first year because when it first came out, people are nuts. People have gotta have this, but we got some bad reviews and then flee was like, Look, I need you to set up every base that comes out of that factory. I'm like, Okay, you know, cause I'm quality control Guy s. So I went to China nine times in a year or ling new weeks at a time, sitting in a Chinese guitar factory, working on bases all day. And I really wasn't what I wanted to

Brock Goldberg:   2:18:58
tell you Signed up for. I

spk_0:   2:18:59
kind of hoped to do this because I had a little shop at home here in Santa Clarita. Was over there by by, um, by Home Depot, Like on Ruth or their Their side is still up there with a smile. Um, yeah, I don't have it. No, the side. I went by the shot we had, and we didn't have flea bass written on it. But part of our logo was his smile with the gap in his teeth and it's still up. It was their last time. I saw a couple get it off. Yeah, but but yes. So So it kind of turned into a thing that wasn't what I expected. And I look back on it, I should have. I didn't want to believe that Flea had lost interest in it. but he really did. And it's his name on there. They've gotta all be perfect. You know, you haven't see goes I've got a really good reputation and I don't want shitty bases out there with my name on it. And the truth is, some of them didn't turn out that great.

Brock Goldberg:   2:19:52
I gotta

spk_0:   2:19:52
end. So I totally understand. But I did not want him to shut down the business. And he called me up one day and he says, David Lee, we gotta shut down the business. And I'm like, I hate to tell you this, but we got to shut it down. I said, Where are you? I'll come talking, you know, because we're, you know, in the studio, getting ready to, you know, because Josh come join the band at that point. And, um, they were kind of getting ready to record. And I wasn't. I was doing the business. I couldn't really work for both. And then So I went there and and he said, he goes, Look, you know, I love you very much. Um, your job is always secure here, but I just can't afford to do the business anymore. Now is he says he goes, I'm broke. I'm like, Yeah, which his version of broke into Different completely. Yeah. So But, I mean, I still understand, And I also realized that it's not just the money. I mean, he was losing money. I was getting paid. Yes, he wasn't. And it was costing him a lot of money, and I don't think he was broke, but it was costing a lot of money. And he is looking at this thing going. I didn't get into this to lose money, so I understood. We're still friends, of course. Of course. And so I'm like, Okay, well, you know, that's that, you know, now comes okay? They're going to start working on a new album with Josh. Logical thing. I've been the guitar tech for the last 14 years or whatever, and I love Josh. And no, Josh, I'm gonna go work for Josh. Well, then, I guess somewhere along the line they figured well, Josh, you know, you kind of take care of himself while they're doing the album. So they didn't really need a guitar tech Plus Chris Warren there Drum tech. Who's awesome guy? He kind of could handle backline instrument. Yeah, I mean, he had I did a lot of talking on the phone because he wanted it to sound like John. So they had that. You know, I said, Here's what you do. But but yes, So anyways, so now I'm looking for work.

Brock Goldberg:   2:22:02
Were you upset when you heard I

spk_0:   2:22:04
was upset and hurt?

Brock Goldberg:   2:22:05
Because, I mean, it almost sounds like you lost your job because that shit went sour

spk_0:   2:22:09
even though it kind of. But even though I knew that there was work ahead of a TTE some point, Yeah, I was kind of hurt that I wasn't included in this state. I mean, it's the red hot Chili Peppers. They can afford a guitar tech course in the studio, and somebody made the decision that we don't really need when we've got Chris.

Brock Goldberg:   2:22:30
Maybe the vibes or something like that.

spk_0:   2:22:32
I don't think it was the vibes. It just it was. I'm sure it was a financial decision, okay? And I'm not going to name names, but there's one guy in the band that is kind of thrifty, okay? And just kind of thrifty. To be honest, I get it like if I owned a business, I'm not gonna pay somebody to sit on their ass for six months. Yes, so I kind of get it, but at the same time, it's they could afford it if they needed to. God. And I'm not going to name names, but he used to have long I know, But But anyway, so that's just basically how it came about. And so I'm like, Okay, well, I gotta get back on the road because they're not gonna meet. They're starting an album. It's gonna take a year till you need me. So I went and did a little bit of work for Kid Rock.

Brock Goldberg:   2:23:15
How is that? It was

spk_0:   2:23:17
all right. The guitar player would for a nice guy anyway, so yes. So I went to work, but they didn't work steady enough. Then they didn't pay retainer. I only got paid when you were out on the road. Yeah, which I get that to ensure another thing where I'm not gonna pay again instead of that squad next month. I'm not Adam Levine, but anyway, so

Brock Goldberg:   2:23:38
you want your people, you know, if yeah, that's what it's come to

spk_0:   2:23:42
the organization. It's not that important. No, it's which people Yes. So So anyway, So that was that. And then one morning Oh, and then I was getting depressed because I was used to making good money. We lived in a nice home out here in new, Uh, and, um, at one point, my wife had to pay both of our rent. She'll remember it and, Well, she was my girlfriend then. But we've been together for we got married after we'd been together, like, 14 years, but which was just a couple of years ago, But anyways, so, like we had, um, I was really bumped and my going I got to get a job. Gotta get an unkind. Remember, I got a call that the Dixie Chicks needed somebody, and I didn't get hired. And it was like, half of what I got paid by the chili Peppers. Okay. And I'm like, Wow, this is gonna be harder than I thought. Yeah, and another one of those things sounds crazy. And I don't mean to be religious or whatever, but I was literally praying for work. And I remember just, like, hands together, like, Please, God, get me

Brock Goldberg:   2:24:49
a job on. I'll never do another bad thing. Yeah, I'll

spk_0:   2:24:52
never do another bad thing. And it would be nice if it's something where I could step away from the chili. Yes, I remember literally saying that the

Brock Goldberg:   2:25:01
top is clicking. You go back on.

spk_0:   2:25:03
Yeah, because at some point, that's gonna happen. But wouldn't it be cool if something else happened? And then it was a Saturday morning. We got up and my wife turned on the TV and there was a maroon five video and the song Misery had just gone, and they had just released an album called Hands All Over. Okay, And so this videos play into my wife's like that guy's hot on. I'm like, Well, I could see why you like him, and I look a lot of a about is like his black and white, but, um, but anyways so So we joke about it a little bit, but she's like she's like, Yeah, there's something about him. She goes, It's that kind of good boy bad boy saying go in me, she goes. He really rides that fence, you know? He's he's he's hot. Okay? She chose not to mention looking, you know? Oh, yeah, he's a good looking guy. So then I'm like, Okay, that's been like the next Saturday all week. Still looking for work? Nothing, then Ah, the next Saturday, I get up, turn on my phone and there's a email says we need a guitar tech for Adam Levine.

Brock Goldberg:   2:26:08
The fuck up.

spk_0:   2:26:10
Yeah, And I looked at my wife and I'm like, and that's what she goes. You better take that job, you know? And I'm like, all right. And I don't know the guy, right? You know, I don't know that it is before the voice. That's I mean, it's like I'm gonna hate this guy. Yes, you know, it's like I'm looking like I was dreading. I was like, Oh, God, I don't want to do this, but I got to, you know, and the money was pretty good. And so I got out that you went out there and the old guy was quitting. We're getting out of the business and was, you know, showed me the ropes, first couple shows, and then they're him on my own. Now, out with those guys and I'm like, this is pretty cool. Like the first show we did was at the Greek Theatre.

Brock Goldberg:   2:26:53
Ah, fucking love. That was like

spk_0:   2:26:54
a summer night. And the crowd. Nobody was trying to kill themselves or jump on stage. And there was no insanity going on. They were like decent people. Yes, M the Jason. What's that guy? That's on that show? How I met your mother in law. Jesus. Jason Segel. Jason Segal opened the show,

Brock Goldberg:   2:27:16
right? Right. Yeah. I'm like, doing what? Clan Piano is good. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

spk_0:   2:27:22
He was the opening Ash, and he was hilarious. So funny. And I'm standing there and I'm watching this guy and he was so funny and so down to earth and just just cool, you know? And I'm like, I'm looking around like, this job is not gonna suck at off lock thes guys air cool. And they've got cool friends. And and so I'm like, this isn't bad, you know? And then So we're doing shows. And Adam at first was a little standoffish for her, but then we kind of broke the ice. And, of course, he was a big chili peppers fan like almost anything. And there was a couple times where we sat down and he started picking my brain about John, you know, about the chili peppers, and we kind of started to click like that and then, ah, like a week into it. I was like, This is awesome. Oh, great guys. It was just fun, you know? It was all good.

Brock Goldberg:   2:28:17
How long ago was that?

spk_0:   2:28:19
That was almost 10 years ago. I think Maybe

Brock Goldberg:   2:28:21
it was It was Duke off working? Yeah. Dukat was already with him. What did you think of him at first? I didn't like Well, you

spk_0:   2:28:28
know about him for him and the other guitar tech were kind of it for me at the time. Kind of clicky first, you know? And I was an outsider coming, but on the plus, they all hated the old guy. Yeah. Oh, shit. Yeah. They like it wasn't tough shoes to fill because they were so

Brock Goldberg:   2:28:46
glad. Yeah, for people that don't know. My my mike do cough is ah is a really good friend of both of ours. And I started, you know, cutting his hair. Hey, got referred to me by someone I don't know. I don't know, 56 years ago or something. That and you know, ever since then we just we hit it off and I've taken a step back cutting here because my back and shit like that, we've still remain friends and he's brought us tow. You know, you have the Halloween parties. We know it's on now, and now we know each other and on DSO that's so freaking funny. And when you started out with them, they weren't anywhere near his bigger there.

spk_0:   2:29:24
No, actually, they were not doing as well as before. It's kind of like with Most Bends. The first album was huge. Second album was not his big third album. I think the third album was maybe 1/4 was was hands all over and they were kind of on the down a little bit and, um, we were had been in Europe and then there was kind of a rumor going around that we might be going home early because Adam might be doing a TV show, but nobody knew anything about it. Yeah, and then we were in Germany and we had a day off and there was a meeting, and they're like, we're going home tomorrow. Adam's doing this TV show. It's a thing, you know. The only thing to compare it to is really American Idol, he said. It's kind of like American Idol, but a little different. And he's gonna be one of the guys on there. And everybody was kind of like Gray's way needed another American. I don't like it. I don't think anybody was on board, even Bend. It was

Brock Goldberg:   2:30:27
like a great American idol on me. I

spk_0:   2:30:30
didn't really You're just working for me. But anyway, so then, um, we got home and we went in the studio. They got, we got a new song we're working on. We go in the studio to record moves like Jagger, and this was at the same time he was getting ready to do that. Show him moves like Jagger, like the drummer from Matt, just like would literally angry. He hated it so much. But like uh huh, so they do this song and I'm like It's catchy for sure. Not my cup of tea, you know, whatever. And then, you know now the voices taping It's not on yet, and then it comes like they start. The first part of it isn't live, so that it it's about to Come on. I get a call from Gage Chili Peppers tour manager says, Hey, Dave, we're getting ready to go on the road. We're ready for you to start working. You know, I said, Well, I'm working from room five, you know, engage goes, Wait a second. Ha cage goes. You're telling Gage is one of my probably my best friend engages like, But he knew what I was doing. Acted like he had no idea. And he's like, Wait a second, you're gonna blow off the chili peppers Ha ha to go work for a band that's playing theatres and clubs and I'm like, Well, I go first Off I go, there's some things in the works I go, and secondly, I'm not doing this from my own ego. I'm getting paid the same amount of money and down more, but like I know they're paying me the same. And I really like these guys. It's a lot of fun, you know, and gauge goes, I'll call you back in a week. Think about it. Okay, think about what you're doing. Fine going, he goes. I'll tell you right now, you these guys are like your family. He was, and they're gonna be hurt. And I'm like, well gauge my family hasn't paid me for the last year. Of course it's true, right? Yeah. You know, he's like family. He goes, Well. Oh, I'll call you in a week. I'm like, Okay, so then he calls me back a week later and he goes, Okay, I get it. I understand he goes. Actually, it's kind of cool that you're not gonna blow these guys off to go back to your job. He goes, I kind of respect that he goes. But, um because the worst thing is, I have to hire a tea bag to be the guitar. I go. What? Yeah, the guys from England. It's gonna be a pain in the ass, getting them visas. It's going. Everything is going to suck. Yeah. Anyway, is this guy? His name is Ian Shepherd, and he's one of the best guitar techs in the world. Fund. One of the coolest guys you'll ever meet in your life. Like the perfect Yes for them, you know? Yes. So he became their guitar tech with Josh. And I can't tell you

Brock Goldberg:   2:33:23
how much respect I have for that guy. He works. He works for Robert Plant Thing's got works for Robert plant. Yeah, he's fucking definitely, really good job. Yeah, is,

spk_0:   2:33:32
you know. So anyways, um, yeah. So that's just how that happened, you know? And I stayed with Murder Five. And then when I went to see those guys, they're like, they totally understand. Yeah, Gage was kind of being dramatic, you know? But, I mean, they get

Brock Goldberg:   2:33:48
it, they totally get. And then and then Maroon five just

spk_0:   2:33:53
and then the voice and moves like Jagger just It's been a constant steam roller ever since.

Brock Goldberg:   2:34:00
And that's like nine years ago. Yeah, here's a

spk_0:   2:34:02
crazy. About nine years ago,

Brock Goldberg:   2:34:04
that's it that's so crazy for

spk_0:   2:34:06
even gauges said. He goes on, that turned out to be the right move at the cars, the chili peppers, they they go through these periods where they don't work at all. And they don't keep anybody on retainer. One guy, Chris, that drum tech guy who's If I could afford it, I'd put him on retainer

Brock Goldberg:   2:34:23
round. But damn. And you know, in your life, you've made some, uh, you know, maybe not the right decision, but right decision, because you know, a lot of people when they look at their life, it's like in the moment, and I get it. But I always say You have to look at your life from a macro perspective, a bird's eye view. And

spk_0:   2:34:41
I always think of radar from MASH that left mashed to pursue a movie career. Yeah, it's like currently residing in the where they now five. But

Brock Goldberg:   2:34:53
exactly and now And there's a bad career decisions, of course. How much? How much longer you think you'll be doing this for? I

spk_0:   2:35:01
know I'm getting old, you know, it's it's funny. Um, I'll probably be doing this as long as I can, you know, because it's it's funny. It's like it's not like a lot of jobs where you get to a certain age and you retire Well, the other thing, too, is guys I know that are older than me. They're still doing it, you know what I mean? You feel funny. It's like, OK, I'm a roadie, you know, I'm gonna be 60. It's like, but it's it's almost like I'm semi retired anyways. I mean, last year I think we worked maybe two and 1/2 months. That's fucking beautiful. And the rest of the time I'm at home and I'm making enough to get, you know, pay my bills and yeah, yeah, you know, I mean, it's it's I don't really see myself unless I can't do it anymore. I don't see myself retiring, and I can still do it easily, you know, of course. And it's nothing thing about this job. The better you do it like the further along you get, the easier it gets. Like I couldn't I couldn't work for King Diamond today because that involved driving a truck, setting up all day long, tearing down to four in the morning and then hopping in a Ryder truck and driving to the next town. Or, you know, I could not physically do that today, so But I can do what I do now because you know, you're flying to these places and it's fairly easy asks you out,

Brock Goldberg:   2:36:32
and they take care of you and jazz, you know? And that's that's the beautiful thing about it, you know, for people listening, you know, d the things that I've just heard from many different people in your in your fucking crew. They always say the same thing about you know about Maroon five is that they take care of you guys here. They do good. Do you know? And I I definitely respect that. You know, I I've had so much fun having you on. No fucking clue, but I want you as we wrap this up, right? I want you to share like a fucking Ozzy Osborne. So, yes, Uh, you know it. Least one man.

spk_0:   2:37:09
What? There's a if you got there's a few certain stories. Well, if then share that are really fun to tell. There's a feeling I I can give you a cup. What? Ozzy there was and there was so many things that went on that you can't like. I can't remember everything that there's a certain a certain couple of things. One that really stands out.

Brock Goldberg:   2:37:33
How about how about one that stands out, and then we're gonna bring you back on, because Okay. I know you got a fuck ton more stories, and I just I first off, I love listening to it, and I know people are going

spk_0:   2:37:44
Okay, let me give you two story.

Brock Goldberg:   2:37:45
Do you give me 10 stories? Have you stopped?

spk_0:   2:37:48
My favorite Ozzy would Okay, and I'll give you an Eddie Van Halen story Shut the fuck amazing. That is possibly my favorite story

Brock Goldberg:   2:37:57
ever. I'm gonna get you to start a podcast.

spk_0:   2:37:59
Okay? Check that. Ozzy Osbourne were doing rehearsals at third Encore. This is a place in in perfect guy and, um, Ozzy does is were hurt like hell. Come in. And it's like everybody's ready. It's like they say Prince would do the same thing. You come in, he goes up to the mike. He says, Crazy train. They start playing crazy. He says, Whatever Saw like hell Just name songs and they start playing. Everybody has to know every song.

Brock Goldberg:   2:38:25
This is a set list anything. It's

spk_0:   2:38:26
well, not at rehearsals. Okay, We'll just like, blast through songs and he'll dig one up early and everybody knows that. But, I mean, he's got Mike. But the time Mike boarding on drums, one of the best drivers in the world, Joe homes on guitar to glass, This Randy Rhoads, Robert Trujillo on base. I mean, he's got the best musicians in the point on the planet, and they're all super great guys. So it was a lot of

Brock Goldberg:   2:38:50
fun. How, how once how you know, sometimes when he's talking, it's kind of hard to understand him. But then he sings and it fucking works. It

spk_0:   2:38:58
does work. I mean, take a beating for this.

Brock Goldberg:   2:39:02
You don't have to say,

spk_0:   2:39:03
you know, Black Sabbath. My favorite Black Sabbath is the deal. Blacks. Wait, What heaven and hell? Neon nights favorite Black Sabbath stuff is the deal step. So I'm not like a big fan. I mean, I'm a fan. I'd liketo Ozzy Solo, but Ozzy Black Sabbath to me. I don't think it was, You know, it's funny,

Brock Goldberg:   2:39:25
right? You're gonna get your head shop. Just jacket.

spk_0:   2:39:29
No, it's true. I take a beating for that all the time. Another one is. I knew Johnny Ramo. I'm like he was friends with John for Shawn. I was sitting in his driveway when he died in the house. I'm way

Brock Goldberg:   2:39:41
of what? Yeah, doing John, You remind the Ramones. Wait. What the fuck? You were in the driveway when I

spk_0:   2:39:48
was in Johnny Johnny Ramone's driveway when he died in the living room. Because I took John there. They were friends. And John doesn't drive, so he calls me up. He's like, I got to get to Johnny's house. He's dying and So I picked him up, brought him over there. And John goes, Do you want to come in? You should probably come in. And I didn't want to see him die. So I said, I'm just gonna wait out here. And it was crazy, like cavalcade of stars any better? Um, uh, Elvis's daughter with at least three. Lisa Marie Presley. Uh, prob zombie. I've been crazy. People go in and

Brock Goldberg:   2:40:25
just all to come see him

spk_0:   2:40:27
all the sea. His last moment. What

Brock Goldberg:   2:40:29
did he passed away from cancer,

spk_0:   2:40:31
but yeah, he was in the lounge chair and is living crazy in Sherman Oaks.

Brock Goldberg:   2:40:37
Can't the life you've lived, my friend? It's crazy, right? It's It's fucking nuts. Ozzy Osbourne. Okay, shut up. Johnny Ramone. Fucking respect.

spk_0:   2:40:47
He was funny, too, but he really was. But, um, But anyway, so how's you were in the room? And Ozzy shows up for these doing a photo shoot before they start playing. Okay, so I'm still changing guitar strings, you know, we're coming, but it's kind of milling about. Ozzy comes in and he is, like, gig ready. He's like, got his rings on. He's got the makeup. He's got the velvet coat thing and he's ready for a photo shoot. He's Ozzie and normally shows up in sweatpants and a T shirt, and it just looks like an old guy with long. But here comes off right this photo ready? You know? And the photographer is not ready. They're kind of getting stuff set up. So I'm over there changing strings, minding my own business, and he comes over to me and I kind of do a pretty good Ozzy. So he comes out, He's like, Fuck, man, I should have told her to fuck off. That is good. Thanks. And And I looked at him and I go, Oh, yea, they're not ready for you. No, no, no, man. I should have told Mrs C to fuck off. I go. Mrs. Segal, My wife cousin miss receiving it sees?

Brock Goldberg:   2:41:54
Yeah, So yeah, you whisper, I'm sure. Run. Yes. Yeah. So I'm already lying, right? I love it.

spk_0:   2:42:02
So he's like, What do you mean? And he goes yesterday She she made me go to cook a route. The cooker rue was a chicken place that I think has gone out of business. It was a chain chicken restaurant. Yeah, This was late nineties, you know, And this cougar root place was kind of a fad for awhile. Yeah, and there was one over in,

Brock Goldberg:   2:42:24
Actually, I think I did

spk_0:   2:42:25
march around the area. Yeah, and so he goes, She made me go to cook a ruminant, you know? And I'm like, really because Yeah, because it was fucking mad. How could I go? Why? And he says, Well, okay, we're in the car, right? Sharon's driving. I'm sitting next to Sharon and Amy and Kelly. You're in the back now. Kelly was, like, 13. Okay, Amy is his other daughter. That was never a machine

Brock Goldberg:   2:42:50
I asked

spk_0:   2:42:51
and she's was about 15.

Brock Goldberg:   2:42:53
60. Doesn't wanna be honor.

spk_0:   2:42:54
Should want to be on okay and much respect. And she's really cool. Nice. And so, like he goes, he goes. So stop to the light in Beverly Hills, he says, And then he stood like, this story starts to take a turn, and he goes, you know, you know, Sharon hates your fucking father, and I'm like, Yeah, I heard because no, man, no, it's really bad. He goes. Putting them together is like throwing a cat in the second dogs there's gonna be a fucking fight. I really he goes. Oh, she hates him. The kids have never met him. I go really, then don't know their grandfather. He doesn't know. They've never met the grandfather. He was so stuffed in a light in Beverly Hills. He says in There's a man crossing the street and Amy says, Look, there's Tony Curtis, he goes and I look And it's not Tony Curtis, man. It's Sharon's fucking fall shut Shut. This is me and him, Just the two of us. He's sitting on a road case while I'm changing guitar strings. And he's telling me this and I'm like, really, he goes, Yeah, man. So Sharon fucking starts yelling out the window and he looks at you, You fucking But he starts running towards the car, waving his fist. He goes, and I'm sitting there praying for the

Brock Goldberg:   2:44:16
lights. Shut up! This is, like, verbatim. What the fuck

spk_0:   2:44:21
is un praying for the light to change? Please, God help me. And then he goes. And then he's this close to the car. The fucking light change and we drive off and I'm I'm thinking God and he goes. And then Kelly bless your heart. Kept on Amy. He was an Amy Blessing. Heart says, Mom, why do you hate Tony Curtis?

Brock Goldberg:   2:44:43
Oh, God, on I'm just dying, right? I'm just like, dude, that's a made fucking some. Really. It was

spk_0:   2:44:53
It was amazing. And I just was just pissing myself so and he didn't get this crazy little grin on his face. You don't know if it really happened or

Brock Goldberg:   2:45:05
fabricated in his brain, but he told me it happened the day after, and I mean, like, it happened yesterday, but he

spk_0:   2:45:12
wouldn't tell these crazy stories about meatloaf. Me love lived across the street from Okay. And, uh, what's his name? That Christian singer, Uh, from the sixties. I forget his name is really famous guy, and he lived next door and he would talk about you. The that's fucking matter. Get him living next of fucking meat loaf across the street. Everybody wants to be my friend. It's a lot of

Brock Goldberg:   2:45:37
the fuck, man. My cheeks fricking hurt. Sorry, my fucking cheeks hurt right now. I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart. Coming on here like this is by far one of the best experiences that I've ever had. And I really hope that you'll come back on here. I really hope that you'll you'll start a podcast and let me help you out. But you I

spk_0:   2:46:05
don't even know how to listen to this one.

Brock Goldberg:   2:46:06
I will help you with everything because this shit's got to get out to the world and we'll talk more about it. And thanks for

spk_0:   2:46:15
not saying that. I sound like Seth Rogan because everybody tells

Brock Goldberg:   2:46:18
me that Oh, no. I like Seth Rogan. Seth Rogan. Did you do? Maybe a little bit, but I'm just joking. But any last words, ma'am? Um, I could be I was gonna tell you many times that if you want to take a piss, you could go at any time. But then the stories would continue not to talk that. And

spk_0:   2:46:43
they kind of because, you know, I think about that one that makes me think of another. I call when I get a chance to tell you that even human, it's my favorite story.

Brock Goldberg:   2:46:51
I you're going to come back. Okay? We're going to see what we're

spk_0:   2:46:54
gonna run out of stuff. I'll tell you

Brock Goldberg:   2:46:56
a good night. Thank you again. Thank you again. And everyone listening. Have a wonderful night