The Three Amigos Talk About Life, Love, & The Pursuit Of A Free Mind

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All right, all right, are bad. Has everyone doing my name's Brock and thank you so much for tuning in to backed your story podcast about real people in real stories. This is Story number 22 today I had on two very special guests, Stephen Gizzi and Alex Shaheen. Stephen is a legendary composer who created all the music for this podcast as well as does all the editing. He's literally the glue. So what Back to your story is? And Alex is a mortgage whiz kid and the president of the Shahin team. I've had both these guys on the podcast to share their story. So it was a great honor to have them on to have a free flowing conversation about life, love and the freedom of one's mind. A k second, Delic drugs. There's a lot more than that, but that being said, I hope everyone staying safe, stand home and practising social distancing stay strong. This is the story of chaos at its finest from the land of mystery, with dreams become reality, always listening to stories from the past, the present and the future. This is back.

spk_1:   1:32
Come on, Every oh, he gives you No warning. He just guys are

spk_0:   1:41
not at all so kind of get back to What I was saying is that I appreciate you guys for coming on and before, um, I thought we were going to talk about just, I don't know, life, love, the pursuit of happiness. Just kind of randomly Father's exactly been released Amazing books by a person that I don't like is a TV personality. His books are fucking awesome. Bill O'Reilly. Really? In England, Killing Jesus, killing DSS dry book titles. Yeah, I've read all three of them and I'm on killing, killing JFK. And I've done all of that in the past two weeks. Three weeks on another book as well, about the about the command cheese. Which a

spk_1:   2:22
lot of Bill O'Reilly and yeah, crazy. What's your impression been on it?

spk_0:   2:26
It's fantastic because they are like a our nine. Our books Killing England was based on the American Revolution and everything that we went through as a nation. Teoh battle the English toe, you know, fight for our rights and our freedom. And it blows my fucking mind that the time that we live in now, right, which is 2020 All this chaos going Corona virus All the shit, right? But if you go back like Joe Rogan says, What 34 people ago? That's how long America's been around 17. 76 right? I. The life that people lived 102 103 100 years ago is immensely different than what we go through. And what a ragtag group of individuals pulling together as a nation to defeat the most powerful country. Ah, kingdom on the face of the fucking planet is amazing. But the atrocities I mean, these people are the Americans. A lot of them didn't even have fucking shoes. And so in the cold, they would freeze to death and they would have to walk miles. They didn't have cars back then, and just they would push and push. And George Washington's insight just kind of knowing what to do next. And if we went this way or went that way seemed to work out not every time, but a lot of the times. And when we would get defeated and, you know, we thought it was gonna be over fucking George Washington, come up with this plan and take 3000 men and defeat 15,000 people, right? It was just nuts. And what you learn in that one book alone is more than I learned in all of high school. Right on. And then the same thing goes for Jesus, right? Killing Jesus about his life. Jesus of Nazareth. The same exact thing. And then I read killing SS, which was not about World War Two. It was about the Nazis after World War Two. And how, uh, like the Israelis would go into different places in South America. And yes, yeah, Cantina. Absolutely.

spk_1:   4:40
People say Hitler kind of escape. Yeah, Yeah, absolutely. And what was the guy's name? Eichmann. I was the guy that went to Venezuela or something else. And the government. And they found. And that's like a whole moral a problem of moral philosophy, right? Like the I come in problem.

spk_0:   4:55
Something like that. I I've drawn a blank on which guy I'm about to tell you the story. It could be Eichmann. He was Hitler's, like, right hand man. Okay. And and please, the people listening. I'm not saying this fact for fact, of just kind of paraphrasing what I can remember what they what happened was this. He got out right, and in all the shit that he had to go through to get out, right? Um and what the Israelis would do is they would go in, They would find them. They bring him back from the trial, right? Or if they couldn't, they would fucking kill him. Um, but at that same time, Egypt was getting a lot. They had a lot of Nazi scientists, and they were building, you know, weapons to freakin build rockets toe like blast Frickin is really Israel toe to smithereens. And they ended up going in finding I don't know if his name's Eichmann or what What his name was but Hitler's right hand man. They went in, and instead of killing him, they confronted him and gave him a proposition on. You either work for us or you're or you're done right. And, um sure, shit. You worked for the fricking choose and took down the entire project of the Egyptians trying to build the rockets with the Nazi scientists blasting boy, which is incredible. So you have to think that he went from, you know, being so aligned with not, you know, you know Nazi Germany and then toe align himself to take down other Nazi generals. Um,

spk_1:   6:24
yeah. Scientist is that Operation Paperclip, which was, like, leads into that about how, basically Russia and the US and basically the West and the Russians were based trying to take us many of the German scientists as possible one assimilate them into their own tech research. And because they were, they were the forefront of military research in scientific research.

spk_0:   6:45
I'm drawing a blank on the guy's name. We got him.

spk_1:   6:48
Oh, yeah, Von Bond. Something

spk_0:   6:51
bad? The head of NASA. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is incredible to think, right? I mean,

spk_1:   6:58
yeah, OK, But your past. Yeah. So it's for science.

spk_0:   7:02
And and so it's like, how do we think like me being a Jew, right? Um, it's hard to understand, but the same token I understand, right? If you're going like that, Catch 22 right.

spk_1:   7:16
About my view on it is that at the end of the day, even even World War Two it wasn't at the end of the day, it was not. I mean, it wasn't about saving the Jews in World War Two. That was probably a secondary concern from the start. It was about the political power in the pillow political power struggle between struggle between Germany, Russia, the US and just all the major powers of that day. And, um, you know, as a Jew, it's like as anybody as anybody you got, understand that the influences aren't humanitarian. Yes, the time, their political there for power, there for wealth. And it's like a big chest game of Thrones going on. And we're just kind of the, you know, when it's convenient, we'll talk about humanitarian.

spk_0:   7:58
I know. I know, right? Absolutely. We didn't find out about Operation Paperclip till years later, right? Which is, uh, which is incredible. And then he ran NASA for years. It was It's not Steven and And so yeah, and Bill O'Reilly really gets down, and he is able to put a lot of information in a really easy digestible amount of time. Like eight hours. Um, it was fantastic. And so now I'm reading killing JFK, and I'm gonna read every single one of them because it's exciting. Yeah, it is.

spk_1:   8:30
It's cool when you when you can relate to a figure, especially that isn't usually as relatable. Yeah, when he's on camera doing his thing because, you know, obviously I have. You know, I've seen Bill O Reilly and his personal politics and whether he has whatever but Teoh have him talk about maybe something a little more objective. Yes, you know, historically would be an interesting perspective.

spk_0:   8:49
Absolutely, absolutely. And it's he's not taught. He's not talking about his politics, that he's just it just straight fax, fax. He doesn't want to talk about it, and he says that over and over again. So anyone that's listening to this, if you want to learn about many different topics and have something that's easy to digest, check out the killing. Siri's man there frequently phenomenal, J. J. Started JFK. I'm at this point in the book where we talk about how he was, you know, such a like a man's man and, you know, slept with all these chicks and you never. I never understood the magnitude of what this guy did. I mean, went his wife. Every strike Saturday would take the kids for like, two days, and, man, he had, like, a whole crew of people that would just bring girls and bring goes to bring girls in

spk_1:   9:37
I like JFK. But this just reminded me of the R. Kelly documentary where they would talk about how they would just, you know, girls in for him. And it was just, you know, that's kind of when you become someone of influence, you have a support group around you that will help you get what you want, as long as you keep delivering for your

spk_0:   9:55
Absolutely. I mean, his campaign manager, Dave Ross. I believe his name is, um it was like that. Do right? He was like the Jeffrey Epstein look for for for

spk_1:   10:07
for above legally bag. And that's in a story that is a

spk_0:   10:15
fucking What do you do with top? What? Do your guys thoughts on that

spk_1:   10:19
Stephen, You want to take this on On what? Specifically,

spk_0:   10:21
Jeffrey Epstein and his death?

spk_1:   10:23
I don't know that I have a lot of thoughts, Really. I sort of I gained most of my information of that mostly from, like beams and stuff. I have a very unobjective Teams are legit, though, because they can introduce information quickly to your brain in it. Yeah, I want to take it at face value. Do that. But you're also like Okay, that's something I didn't know. That's very interesting. When you look into that, they're definitely up there. A marvel of modern, like that of the extent to which we've evolved has a society. The fact that we can communicate like there's so much picture book. There's so much under the There's so much subtext that you and you have to have. You have to understand, like, decades on centuries of social evolution to understand, really, what a mean it. Because

spk_0:   11:07
everything is just like bite size shit.

spk_1:   11:09
Yeah, but but to understand the mean yourself to understand the origin of the picture you're looking, you have to know all the references. Yeah, it's so it's really a quite elaborate thing. It was

spk_0:   11:18
very brilliant who created it. But Jeffrey

spk_1:   11:20
Yeah. I mean, yes. So I don't know much about it, but I tend to not be much of a conspiracy theorist. Yeah, I tend to not give much weight to those kind of things. So my that you say that conspiracy theorists get a bad rap? They do, you know, because most things that happen that we don't find out that they were actually conspiracies until 5100 years of operation Paperclip and you can you can start you go along Lesson of the last time I was here, I talked about some of the you know, it is really on us and how that intrigue went down. But if you even look at, um, you know, like, let's see, uh, m k ultra. You know, that's something that I actually think that happening. These are these are things I mean, Operation Mockingbird, which I believe was with the CIA, was caught like working with the media. These are because we labelled conspiracy theorists. It was it was a very clever name, too. Basically. Kuku, Yeah. Teoh disenfranchise people who were wanting to get more information on the truth of what's going on. Absolutely sure, Like even it wasn't even released until, probably within the last 10 years. The pain of the operation name was the very first coup led by the CIA A which was against Iran, and it was cold. It was a great book that was written on this called All the All the Shah's Men and right, I've heard of the book is really good and it's basically a for ah recounting of what happened. It was what was an in Kermit Roosevelt, who was like the cousin of FDR who led the overthrow A rainy? What it may in first of all Yeah, you know, we asked why we're so where we hate you know why? What is Iran hate us so much? They had an actual democratic parliamentary system where they had a freely secular elected prime minister. Name Mohammed Mo Zidek tried to re negotiate, uh, the you know, the fact that the show was giving up the country's resource in oil for 2% of the profits where Saudi Arabia and just got a contract for 50%. So the Iranians come up and they say, Hey, we want to re negotiate with British Petroleum. The British say f you. They wait for Eisenhower to getting off. Scot Truman didn't want to authorize a Q and the very first coup the CIA orchestrated operational. Interesting Ajax. Yet they they overthrew the democratically elected Shaw secular saw who favored America wanted to work with America for to reinstate the Shah of Iran who ended up being a brutal dictator. Very pro West didn't give a, you know, really, you know, really favored all the contracts towards Western government US, UK, Um, and that's what led to the Iranian revolution what we have now, which is a theocracy off for secrecy. But a soon as as soon as that happened, we sanction the hell out of them. So you know, there they can. The thing is, Iran has the resource is and have the people. When they have the manpower to become a great nation, just like you acted, Was it at that time? Because they have oil and oil can help lift the economy of a country. Sure so.

spk_0:   14:15
But what does that have to do with conspiracy theories? And Jeffrey

spk_1:   14:18
Epstein, So to say, the first, you know, that's a great question. I know I go on these, like political tangents relevant because you talk about how you know the U. S. Is doesn't really give a crap about democracy, and they subverted all over. And that's, you know, conspiracy. If you're thinking America is not trying to have the best everyone's best interest in mind. But as a matter of fact, we've overthrown countless Latin Latin democracies in favor of dictators. Arab Arab What? What little Arab democracy there is. You know, we've helped over throw those two. So at the other day, we don't care about democracy. In my opinion, we care, as long as you're your government is in line with what we want and what our government wants. What are corporations want? Then you're okay in our book

spk_0:   15:00
and anyone talking against that, it would be considered a conspiracy

spk_1:   15:03
because I know America. Oh, you want to be invaded Iraq because you know we wanted Resource is yeah. I mean, that's a conspiracy there. You're just a nut. Weary, of course. Want to spend their people freedom. You know, that's all event by that. Like we You know, anything that's not in line with the main narrative is considered a conspiracy theory. I mean, JFK, like, watched that movie JFK with Oliver Stone. I mean, that seems like a really shady situation I haven't had killed by one bullet or 11 shooter.

spk_0:   15:29
Yeah, I haven't got too far into that rabbit hole you because I'm not in that part of the book, but yeah, that's weird. And but what kind of bring it back? Jeffrey Epstein. So why does he have so many jumpsuits? Why Why were the camera shut off both times? Why was there no one in his room?

spk_1:   15:50
He almost died one time already looking thing. The cameras was shut off and then he survived. Wouldn't you just put him on 24 hour bars? And you know how high profile this guy's

spk_0:   15:59
to people, you know, that happens. That is a rule

spk_1:   16:03
this guy had apparently had videos on. Like all of the political Clinton's we're talking, you know, Prince Andrew, Prince Andrew? Yeah, a lot. And you know, the thing is that if you if you were listening to conspiracy theorist quote unquote, they've been talking about this for ages About how there is a literal, you know, child sex ring in Hollywood and the political elite and every gate, right? Yeah, Pizza gets older shit just gets, you know, covered up. And whether or not it's it's legit or not, I mean, all the questions that have been raised in the past seems to consistently later on be, Of course, there's truth to it.

spk_0:   16:39
Yeah, of course, it's your toe to a lot of it. And I believe conspiracy theories are a good thing because it gets us to think in a different direction. And if we think so, one sided. And this is what we take always at face value. How do we look past that? How do we right behind that? And, you know, obviously it's important. Um, too support your government. But it's also important to question your government, right? Right. Yeah,

spk_1:   17:07
you need the You need to listen to the narratives that break the paradigm, even if it's just for the sake of sort of building up your own resistance to conformity. And I was thinking this while you're talking about Bill O'Reilly to it, it was really important to me to to constantly be sort of observing, listening people, even that you don't agree with Yeah, because it's It's like I mean, I always think of it like, you know, you get your shots when you're a kid. Like you know, I'm I'm generally a liberal leaning guy, but I always listen. Teoh. I always make sure that I listened to conservative news sources like I I do that with Ben Shapiro a lot, for example, like I actually have his way. It's like, Yeah, he's a He's a bit of a pundit who who like he's definitely got his tribe, of course. And so he definitely has a certain style to his rhetoric that targets his tribe specifically. But, you know, it's it's just so interesting, too kind of cross reference conservative narratives from liberal narratives and, you know, taking all of these different narratives into account, and you sort of it builds your own analytical prowess. Have to be able to do that, you know, to be able to listen to someone and not immediately hop on board with what they're saying 100%. So it's it's it's helpful to sort of immunize yourself with all these little shot various people. I know one thing that reminds me, too, and I was just looking it up. Is that okay? I hate to throw back to Hitler quotes, but you know, if you tell a big enough lie and you tell it frequently enough, it will be believed, yes, and and I remember reading context of That's also like the bigger the lie that people don't want to believe, that their government can tell them that big of a lie and that they can, because they were just shatter, um, belief systems you know, because we we are only held together by our shared belief systems, you know? OK, another great book that I read out of throughout their SAPIENs love that book. I also recommend in the cognitive revolution and how literally society is just built on shared beliefs. Even the country of you know, if you said Persia or you said anything, I mean, that's just on paper. Like if people died that wouldn't exist anymore. I don't know what Persia was. Countries, nations, empires, they're all just abstract things like yes, like point me to the physical thing that is the empire of the like. It's an abstract concept and like money, by the way, bullshit economy. It's just a piece of paper Fiat Coins of metal, Right? It Money is a story. That's what he talks about in the book. Believe all know her at all of this. That's also that's what were their shared stories, that we build our society, of course, and the only, and just to talk about money. The only reason our current money has value is just the belief that, yes, because it has no value anymore. I mean, there's gold standard anyway. you know, one thing to kind of just Segway into this. You know what's going on the economy today? I mean, so I'm in lending. I'm in finance, and I you know, I'm also in business. And so money's like constantly on, you know, the topic. But also, if you followed the history of our nation's monetary policy, that's a word that probably want no monetary is like the history of our money policy. Who controls our money. The Federal Reserve course who wanted the Federal Reserve coming to power in 1913? That's right. The creature from Jekyll Island, JP Morgan Warburg. All these people got the richest, most influential got together and said, Hey, we need the Federal Reserve in private hands. We need the money in private hands. But don't worry, we're going to do the right thing with it. Um, but that was the start of the end of really sound money. Yes. And, um and and basically, you know, if you fast forward to when we actually got off the gold standard officially with Nixon 73 right? Yes. And it sounds right to me, and we got off the gold standard and we float and a floating currency. There's a new concept, and Olson, you know, inflation was starting to shoot out, and then you had Volker who was the Treasury secretary at the time. Um, and I want to say he might have. Also, I don't know who the Federal Reserve was the time, but they basically raise interest rates significantly, and that was able to control inflation. But ever since that time in the eighties, interest rates for mortgages in the eighties were like 18. 20% 0 saving CDs were, like 20%. Yeah, that's good. That's what I have a comment. But since then, since we that was when we were floating, that's when they would hike up the interest rates under probably to control inflation. And they did. They got it in check. But since that time, you've never seen interest rates that high and and since then it's been a steady decline because the way that the system is set up is that you need increasingly mawr and more money to service the debt and every dollar. If you've watched zeitgeist values that before, every new dollar that comes into the system is Onley through debt. It's through the Federal Reserve, buying Treasury debt and buying other debt that introduces new money into assist. Exactly. But that's just new debt coming up. So the only way to continually services that is to continually grow the money supply, which is which will continually cause inflation. Of course, you know, especially now when the economy is going to shit and and there's no jobs, what they're going to do and what they've been doing is let's just print more money now they dio dollar, and that's what the Fed, the Fed jumped instead of gonna buy $700 billion worth of treasury bonds. And that was a huge number back then. Now that's like pittance. They didn't even make a dent in the market. And so you know, it's great liquidity issues. Where you here, liquidity off that turns. Yeah, liquidity, liquidity. There's a liquidity crisis that just means there's not enough cash. Yes, Teoh, because, like derivatives, derivatives, the keyword to and derivatives are basically like, to put it simply, super confident. All this stuff is complicated on purpose. Yes, yes, average Joe, you won't ever know about this stuff. And you know, we talk about billions of dollars out billions of dollars for, like, food stamps is too much. But then they'll just blow a trillion dollars in the banking sector just to cover a bailout. Yeah, of course. But, um but bottom line is that this had this economic collapse. If you have been paying attention, you have been expecting this for years. Like I moved on my my stuff to Treasurys on my 41 K two treasures advances This stuff so impressed. That was back in 2016. That did not happen. What did happen was Trunk Trump got elected. Um, now, whether or not if you got elected, there would have been crash or not. I don't you know, I mean, I had my money on that happening anyway. Who no matter was president. But what did happen is Trump got elected, and then the stock market started going. I just went nuts. Stewed, right? Why was that? Because they knew that there was gonna be a more business friendly environment by business friendly. It just meant we're gonna chop the tax rates for all of these giant corporations. I don't really pay much access to begin with some some of them do something don't. But But then the average Joe got nothing. And so this was in good times. We were supposedly having a growing economy still, and then we let a huge tax break for corporations in the tune of hundreds of billions, if not ended up being, you know, a trillion. And so we were running deficits because we had because of this because, you know, this is and this is where the propaganda tool comes out because it's really my favorite. You know, analogy is like politics is like wrestling. You know, the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. On the surface, they hate you know, they hate each other, but behind their slapping each other's asking, drinking a beer together because they're old. You know, the Democrats kind of have to take the party of we're for the people. But, you know, we're not up to an extent, you know, because I really hate is the real money is that's why Bernie didn't get a

spk_0:   24:26
little. Of course, that's the biggest bunch of Well, I mean, you can talk about burning real quick is like I didn't understand back in 2016 why people were so upset right, Because I liked Hillary at that time. Don't anymore. Um, but at that time I was like, Why the fuck do people care so much like Hillary Clinton gonna be the fucking president, right? And then Donald Trump became the president. It pissed me off in the beginning, All these years later, me being older and just more wise, I started to look into Bernie Sanders, right? And and, like, love or hate him, he's the type of person that has said the same shit in the sixties. The seventies, eighties, nineties, right? They call him a socialist. They called fucking FDR socialist, right? And to

spk_1:   25:09
be fair, they introduced socialist policy, right? So what, Bernie? But

spk_0:   25:14
didn't Donald Trump $2000

spk_1:   25:16
everyone thinks is my thing is that Democrats, you know, want to socialize the pores loss of subsidized that more and the wealthy one of subsidise the corporations, and it's all the same. But the middle class gets screwed in the because they're smaller and smaller in the monetary policy of the Federal Reserve being how they treat money, how they do all this. There's a reason why the wealth gap has increased from the last recession to this one. Even though it seems like the economy is growing, everybody's gonna find the stock markets go. That's a big thing. They've learned to associate a healthy economy with a growing stuff.

spk_0:   25:50
But it's not because you see stores closing. You see everything happening before all of this happened. But I broke. We're going to bring back to Bernie Sanders, right? Is that this time around, I was like, damn fucking I like Bernie Sanders That, like what he says are gonna stands for, um, he's a good person. And I'm like, Dude, he's fucking got this because when I saw Biden come on the stage, rabbits like, Dude, I liked Barack Obama. Okay, not everything that if you but I liked I liked him on. And but burning about Joe Biden is not Barack Obama. Just not. I

spk_1:   26:19
don't think he even remembers sleepy Joe. He's got some dementia going. It seems apparent to me he also really quick. He also I mean, Joe Biden. He uses his his past as vice president as so much leverage in his his campaign. But the reality is I mean, it's not nothing. He he was well and he was what he was able to do is the vice president was because he was the vice president. Yes, the President Obama has to be the figurehead, and he is the guy that gets all the opposition. Of course, in the vice president is the guy that kind of getting things done. So Biden keeps promising, like, Hey, look at all this stuff that I did. But the reality is he's not going to be vice president. He would, hypothetically BBB precedent. And so he would encounter all the same hurdles. A real authentic vision, I

spk_0:   27:03
think. No, no, the Democrats did the same fucking thing to Bernie Sanders again. Again, They're doing it again. How the fuck After what? Not the when everyone, like pretty much dropped out. And then the next day, Super Tuesday,

spk_1:   27:21
even someone who I like Joe Rogan likes was Telsey. Gabbert actually dropped out. Now she's okay. I'm doing my sport Van Joe Biden because yes, Adam, the day the Democratic Party's like either get in line behind Joe gelatin, No, are or you know you're gonna be an outcast. You know, at that point, I imagine someone could also who has been very against establishment. You know, after you know, she's like, All right, well, Moniz will salvage my whatever I can and is going to

spk_0:   27:44
screw that man.

spk_1:   27:45
But But here's the thing Is that, um you know, I I personally, you know, economically, I am. I mean, everything. I'm a libertarian. I'm socially liberal and fiscally conservative, Republican, small government. But if I look at you know who I trust more, you know, by, um Sorry, Bernie or Trump or anybody else. You know that maybe besides, Telsey is saying the senator situation. I mean, I trust Bernie a little more. He's been Yeah, he has a consistent record and I think that he will, even though I don't agree with some of his broader policy. But I couldn't believe that he probably has mawr interest to helping the American exactly than any of those other.

spk_0:   28:23
And it's it's so sad that the African American community and I hate to say so, no one to get backlash beyond this. But they've really gone hard for Joe Biden, right? When at the end of all of this, it's like I believe that Bernie Sanders would have minorities back 10 out of 10 times more than any other of the Democratic nominees,

spk_1:   28:43
you know? Yeah. I mean,

spk_0:   28:45
because of Obama and I. I love Obama. Like I got Obama my work in the wall, you know? So it's like I was a huge, huge right right there. The one that's a straight. But I also have the Obey Shepard Fairey. You know, the hope, right? That he did you vote and it's signed by Obama and it's signed by. There's only 5000 huge. Man, I thought it was the first time I ever really got into politics was because of Obama. He inspired the ship.

spk_1:   29:09
Deputy director. A lot of us, your Obama was my Ron poll.

spk_0:   29:12
Okay, there we got sure, Libertarian, right,

spk_1:   29:16
E. I mean, that was the first time I was like, I need to understand economics, understand financial policy, monetary policy. And he broke it down in his books and it was his debate. So and that's why it's so important that keep certain people out of these debates cause debates is what really breaks the contradicts.

spk_0:   29:30
The biggest bunch of bullshit. These debates 23 minutes, commercial ticket, 15 people up there. No, fuck that.

spk_1:   29:37
It's just all soundbite

spk_0:   29:38
eso soundbites. It's It's such a stupid way to do. I

spk_1:   29:42
loved that Joe Rogan had I think he had. He had Andrew Gang and Tulsi Gabbard earning, earning. I love that he did that cause you get, like, an hour to our interview with him unedited. Every single candidate You said this before. I think you say you said Joe Rogan should host the debate. Yes,

spk_0:   29:57
yes, That is the format people want. My gosh, Yes, When Bernie Sanders went on there when Tulsi Gabbard went on their own, Andrew Young going on there. Holy shit.

spk_1:   30:06
Every single one of the better. And And those were all, like, the out more outcast. Yes, of the politicians, they're not that they were probably, you know, somewhere in East Establishment, someone like Biden would never

spk_0:   30:17
go on. Joe Biden will lose. Yeah, And

spk_1:   30:20
that's the sad thing is because I think that Democrats would rather have trump than have Bernie.

spk_0:   30:24
I'm at this point right now, so I believe because of this, just me, I'm an independent. I'm not voting for fucking Joe Biden. And it's just not gonna happen because

spk_1:   30:33
I feel scared. I'd be more scared of Joe Biden much. You would just be

spk_0:   30:37
handled. Remember, Trump, you know what you got right? You know what it is for the next four years. OK, then we're gonna have that fucking Obama asked. JFK ask person, Come in at home

spk_1:   30:49
at this point. I mean, I thought I think we're at like, I don't know. I think that it's becoming less and less desirable to be even be president. Yes, that's what you have. That's why you have these. Like, you know, Donald Trump's getting power because they're like, Well, I might as well take what I can and look what I can from this treasury while while it's still around. Because the world is changing, the economic system has changed, the financial world system is changing, and the U. S. Will not be the most premier country in the world as a super power. It will be one of the super

spk_0:   31:19
point of I mean, China, what they're doing building the roads Iran and helping out one of the initiative. I mean, it's crazy. We has a society in America have now we're, like, really looking inward, right? It's like America, America, America. Um but what goddess to as big as we are today is like the globalization going around way became an empire.

spk_1:   31:40
Okay, not to get specific, cause I know I can do this stuff. But Britain Woods was when the after World War Two, we instituted a new financial system that put us on top and made us dollars the World Reserve currency and if you follow Morgan Stanley released some sort of chart with some chart on this recently, but it showed the length of time periods of who was the dominant reserve currency of each of these time periods. And it was a start out with, like, Spain. And then it was Portugal. And then it was the Netherlands and was like France and was Britain's US. And you look at the span of years like 100 150 years, and we've been well, we've had a currency as the reserve currency for the last since you could say after World War Two at least, which was been about 7 80 years.

spk_0:   32:18
And that's why it needs to just fuck that Bitcoin all the way right where it takes the power out of one person or, you know, the review and it puts the power into the hands.

spk_1:   32:29
That's the trend of everything decentralization and yeah, because that US more power. But that's exactly what is against the centralization. That's if you want the Founding Fathers. That was what the US brothers wanted want decentralized. That started with the the articles of Confederation. Yes, and when you know it didn't like there was still bickering, didn't work out and they needed decided they wanted more of a central power. They had to build in the checks and balances. They had a bill of rights. And if you ever look at the Bill of Rights, though it's like every single we have 10 10 rights built in the Constitution that protect us. That makes it so. The government has to follow that we as citizens, have 1000 laws. We have to follow us. We're in trouble. And, you know, if you really looked at each of those laws and how they stack up against the Constitution, you'd probably find a lot of those are unconstitutional. Of course. Like take the, um uh, prohibition era that when when drugs sort alcohol was out because I was banned, okay, they had to amend the Constitution to ban alcohol and then to re amend it to unbanned it. When did we ever amend the constitution of band cocaine or heroin? We all the sudden decided, OK, we create a government organization who even then set out regulations of laws That of course you want. Yeah, So I mean, our interpretations have been basically gutted the entire, and whether or not you agree with them is one separate different time, though, to that's fair. But, I mean, what's the point of having a democratic process that we have? I mean, there was there was a way to set out that if you want him in the Constitution, you have to do you have to get 3/4 of the states along 3/4 of Congress. It can be amended. Now I get it. Maybe there's no political will to do the things that the majority maybe even wants to do, because there's not enough for a 3/4 majority now. But what the hell is this? A point having a constitution, then? Yeah, you know, I mean, you know, even the you know, the right to due process. We'll we can continue indefinitely if you think your enemy combatant. Your us just

spk_0:   34:19
get raw. Soul bright man. What did he do? He built the fucking website. I don't know if you guys know he is. He He built Silk Road. Built a fucking website, right? Dark web. You know, they could sell drugs on, but he didn't sell drugs. He didn't do any of it. He built a fucking website in exchange for two term life sentence.

spk_1:   34:39
Yeah, but nobody from the financial crisis who were fraudulently making business of a mortgage loans ever got under no one accountable.

spk_0:   34:46
No one, no one did. And what happened to that $1 trillion that What's his face said

spk_1:   34:51
before on his felt? Yeah, I was, like, 2 $trillion trillion just accounting, even when they did the accounting of the additive, like the Pentagon trillions. You know, not a lot is a whole other story to trade center seven, right? What? We did that for

spk_0:   35:05
that. Go back and forth, man. I was so like Yes, Yes, yes, yes. I'm like, I don't fucking know about that one for me. Going back to Jeffrey Epstein bringing all the way. Oh, yeah. That motherfucker was killed.

spk_1:   35:18
He had. I mean, I had to be Don't you love how people would just shout out in some random like cameras, like there to be a news conference like Jeffrey Epstein didn't take himself video because that's cool, because the average American's consciousness, this is what I talked about before. But why, actually, like Trump is that he removes the facade of democracy and and decency, absolutely just down to a dude, a base or level.

spk_0:   35:41
He was just more empathetic. Sorry, empathetic on and, you know, nicer. He would have

spk_1:   35:47
a way bigger following, But even the words he uses is just so like, noncommittal or not. Oh, we have the best people working on this. They're the greatest. The best are doing really hard work that matched the greatest, right? Yeah, he just repeats himself but says always good, flowery things that have no substance. But we just eat it up, you know? Well, yeah, for sure, for sure. I think regardless of the the the shifts and ideology, we're going to see, in effect, a lasting effect from having someone like Trump is president because of that, Yes, and I think there's gonna be a lot of unintended effects that we don't Even he didn't understand That will come from this. And I think that and honestly, I think a lot of them could be very good things even then because because, in my opinion, him taking things to the extreme and other countries in the world into the stream as well is gonna force the rest of us to acknowledge what's actually going on right and make an action to Yeah.

spk_0:   36:37
Listen, man, I always says I don't like Donald Trump, but I like some of the things that he does. Sure right, I

spk_1:   36:44
have. Nothing is black and white, even though

spk_0:   36:45
so many people were and I was Man, I cried when Hillary Clinton lost. Hillary Clinton is a fucking crook, right? She's done a lot of wrong things, like lover hater. Doesn't fucking matter. Right? But I was upset, right? Because I loved Obama so much, and then I was fucked on time. I got so many fights with people, my mom, everyone right. And then, as time went on, I'm like, Well, you know what? He's an asshole, and I don't like most things, but there are things that he does that I like, OK, Do you know anything?

spk_1:   37:15
It shouldn't. Eight. And the thing is that people have become so polarized that they can't accept liking some of things and old either with us or you're against us, sac religious almost to have a greater right. Yeah, and you can see it. And it's been seeing this on my feet. All my Facebook feel time I've seen, like when Obama was in power, you know, people who were Democratic Democrats in support Obama, they could not see any wrong that he did. If he did something that Bush would have done, it was okay. Same thing with Trump Trump's doing it, but they didn't like that Obama did it. It's now. OK, so where critical? So happy credit. And it's like you don't have. You don't have substance in the way your view, And you just you're just going with your with would it? What the herd is doing, you know, and you're gonna ask me a question. So, you

spk_0:   37:58
know, I don't even remember the question that I was gonna ask you. Oh, yeah, About Trump purchasing all the oil from Saudi Arabia when they dropped the prices recently. Do you know anything about

spk_1:   38:09
that I don't really know. I know about Saudi Arabia getting an oil war with Russia and dropping the prices. I don't know about Trump just stepping out recently and buying Apple a lot of it that if you did do I heard about this so that there's a Saudi Arabia is like trying to freeze out rush on. Well, here's the thing. So OPEC had a meeting and Saudi Arabia was saying, Hey, let's let's cut production so that oil prices can be hired. This is what OPEC's a cartel and this is what they've been doing for decades. They want to control oil prices cause they're the biggest oil producing nations coming together and saying Let's set prices together. Cartel um But what What Russia recently came out and said, No, we're not going to cut our production production. We disagree, and salary was like, OK, if you're not going to cut your production and get in line, then we're going to ramp up our production to price everybody else out of the market because Saudi Arabia still has the cheapest cost of pulling oil out of the ground right, because they have so much second afford Teoh. Yeah, so they can afford a lot lower oil price. Which is why gas has been going down. But

spk_0:   39:09
no one wants to talk about that. I know. Are beings Corona Virus No. One. Well,

spk_1:   39:12
this is all interrelated. Yeah,

spk_0:   39:14
I'm reading about it. Right.

spk_1:   39:15
And so and so and so rudely to finish his thought. Is that who this does affect heavily is the shale oil producers in the U. S. That have a much higher costs of pulling oil out of the ground and were heavily in debt. And so the shale boom, although it's devastated environment has been a boon for the US politically and economically, because we go from a net importer to an exporter of and meeting all of our demands and sell you. But that only works at a certain price level because of the costs will bring you a lot of

spk_0:   39:41
ground. By my gosh, about 30 million barrels of oil. Three initial persons comes as oil's fall into about $25 a barrel, down from roughly 50 30 million barrel purchase announced Thursday is a far cry.

spk_1:   39:54
A lot of oil, Dude, that is insane. But it's also sparked. Why not done well, she

spk_0:   39:59
It was so very, very smart. And that's something I'm like, Dude, that's fucking brilliant

spk_1:   40:05
sense. I mean, if you look at the you know, the trade war right now, I mean, that's looking like it was, um What's the word I'm looking for? Like pregnant Premonition fabricated? No. Like, Well, there's that, too. But it's looking like it had a lot of foresight, because right now, as we go towards localizing economies, the trade war helped to start that process.

spk_0:   40:25
It the Corona virus is definitely going to bring jobs back to America because it wakes us up right now because about 150 of the key medications that Americans need to survive is produced in China, Right? What the fuck?

spk_1:   40:41
Yeah, we should we should. I think what you're saying right now is I mean, we should really have some sort of strategic fly or production of things that are very

spk_0:   40:50
important to learning tasks like these mass. The ventilators that are emergency absolutely have that I would rather pay a little bit extra to have it brought back here to help them build the economy. And I think that's What Donald Trump is going to do is he's going to start enacting these policies if he can. I don't know if he has the power to do that, right. But once all of this frickin like you know dies down, which I hope it does, we'll talk about that a little bit later to start bringing some of these fucking jobs back. Because if the world ever does go to shift an asteroid, freakin hints of a super volcano blows right. How are everyday Americans that need these medications that need these key things to survive, Going to get it? If we rely on countries like China? Yes, they're producing it for a lot less. But if as Americans we can see okay, I would rather pay a little bit extra to have it for that safety net. Just God forbid, anything ever happened. T effective. Like what's happening right now like this is like a 50 50 with the car. Seems

spk_1:   41:52
kind of kind of, you know, insane that we haven't already planned. For a scenario like this is what I've been thinking lately. Like it, it seems as we continue on into the future, it seems like the threat of Ah global pandemic is getting higher and higher, and it almost seems like, you know, having something like the Corona virus. It's it's a terrible thing that's happening. But it's not the worst case scenario of what a pandemic could be, right? Oh, no. So it seems like it's like this is always gonna be Yeah, it seems like this is a This could be a trial run to help us to kick us in here like give us that paradigm shift. Being able to prepare for three. This is a great point. It's a great segue way because, Okay, what I was trying to say before was that if you've been paying attention, the Federal Reserve back in, you know, even again of last year was already doing emergency financing for lack of liquidity. They had already started quantitative easing that already unlike secretive levels, almost they called out, You know, they object money. The repo, they lower the interest rate.

spk_0:   42:53
Your explain to people real quickly. Quantitative. Easing.

spk_1:   42:55
Yes, Quite a great question. Please stop me if you need a quantitative easing is basically a term that substitutes printing new money. That's really what it is so in 2000 And, uh, the 72,000 crash Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chair, started, You know, they were already at 0% interest rates on the federal funds rate. And that is different. So I'm getting along so well, while I just, you know, expand on this case is a kind of a difficult topic. Um, because this is what I do for a living. I explain to people difficult concepts like federal funds rate. What the hell is that? The federal funds rate. What you just saw the Federal Reserve drop the in straight to zero is just the interest rate that banks loan to each other at. So Does that mean your mortgage ghost zero? No. What it does mean is that your savings accounts rates go down, your credit card rates go down. Anything that's var variable revolving that can adjust will go down. Based on that rate, mortgage rates are are are bonds. They're part of the bond market, that part of the stark Mott stock market. So So traditionally, when the stock market, which is equity which is, you know, riskier assets when it's going up, there's less money, less people investing in safer, lower, lower return things like Treasury bonds. Morgan put money. The stock market want to make a ton of money. That's why interest rates have to go up at that, safer for that safer risk level to attract money. That's why you see, when the stock markets going up. When Trump got elected, mortgage rates went up. Yes, when the stock market is going down, you'll see ah, flight to safety. So all the investor capital gets moved from stocks into Treasury bonds, so it's always inverse whenever the socks. Whenever stocks are going down, the bond yields air going down. When stocks are going up, bond yields are going up now. What you saw after the last recession during Obama's presidency is you had an artificial situation where both the stock market was going up and Treasury yields were going down and and mortgage backstairs going toe. How did that happen? How is there that distortion in the market? It was it was enabled by the central bank, which again, if you're if you this was during the time when I started getting into Ron Paul when he ran in 2007 he started talking about all this financial stuff that no one ever talked about before. And, um,

spk_0:   45:04
so crazy that we don't get out of school level, right?

spk_1:   45:06
Yeah. I mean, in the end, again, the banking system is you know, even if you think Federal Reserve, you think it's the government constitution, but technically it's outside of its private bank and they own our entire money supply. And if you look into how that all works, you're like, What the hell is this? Why did we ever do this? But, um, but just to go back to your question of quantitative easing, when When we got to the last crash and we were already at zero, rates were like, What else can we do? So that's when the Fed was like, Well, why don't we just buy bonds, tons of them? Billions of them introduced new capital to the system to suppress, to create an artificial demand for bonds, while easy money was given to Wall Street to invest in stocks, you know, and also repeal of Glass Steagall. They like, you know, banks used to not be able to invest. Then we repealed Glass Steagall in the nineties late nineties under Clinton. And then that's crazy. That's another thing. That they're all they're all in on. That's why I mean, that's the

spk_0:   45:57
first of a bank only has, like, 3 to 7% of the money, right? Because the bank running fractional, fractional reserve banking. Right? So if right now, if everything goes to shit and everyone in America wants to get their money, good fun, good luck, right? And people don't know that everyday citizens do not know that, which is fucking nuts sitting me and everything that you just shared most people built. No,

spk_1:   46:21
no, this is what this is what I'm talking about. Sorry to put out this kind of content because this is stuff that, you know, I've spent a lot of time studying, and how relevant it is today is is it started a lot of fast. I mean, I'm happy to be on yours. I'm putting out Facebook videos, that kind of thing. But But here's Here's the end of the story. Or maybe just talking about decentralization, by the way, Education, decentralization of education. Yes, you can learn everything you want. YouTube on the Internet on audible audible books, the

spk_0:   46:48
Internet the Internet is decentralization at its core, driving this centralized

spk_1:   46:51
and they're trying to, you know, they really they love to talk to centralize. That has been that fight. It was even that fight during, like, the last three is What was that? Salt or whatever? Some sort of acronym for Like they wanted to take over, you know, control, like paying for websites. Neutrality, neutrality. Yeah, I remember when that was such a huge source of stress. It was going around social media. Everyone was so worried about that neutrality. Yeah, so just really in the story. So quantitative easing the Federal Reserve said, we're just gonna buy, you know, 80 at one point, they were buying $80 billion a month with bonds. So they were just there creating artificial demand for printing money to buy in, which suppressed interest rates, which drove interest rates lower, which drove assets like real estate up a lot higher. Because now people could afford ah, hire illegal. I mean, this is our economy. This is actually how are monitor Monitor system is run. Give all the power to the Fed to make these decisions for us, because that's gonna get us out of recession

spk_0:   47:47
Klein bitch or Bitcoin like thing, a decentralized currency that could be used anywhere in the world at any moment in any time. And there's not one person that owns it or runs it right.

spk_1:   47:58
So I'm still waiting to get my money back on Bitcoin, and I'm still waiting for back up. So I wrote a really good book on On That it was called The Truth Machine, and it gave you the whole rundown of what Blockchain was, how it's being applied, how Bitcoin works, how all the other cryptocurrencies are a lot of other ones and how they can solve real life needs more and more fit mark contracts, smart Blockchain technology, even in the mortgage in history like if you know, like everything, every every title deed has to be recorded with the County Clerks office in a chain of title has have a chain of title to show. Who originally owned this property went to the when, when it was, you know, built on to now there has to be an unlikable chain of title. Imagine you could have a log chain that's unchangeable certificates.

spk_0:   48:42
What about death certificates? Right, and then uh, what is the term when people get money? When someone passes away? The states don't trust there's another word

spk_1:   48:51
for yeah, pro Bates.

spk_0:   48:53
Yeah, probate. So right, Um and we know, or people listening know if they don't know, going through probate is a fucking pain in the ass. Ah, having to deal with. Ah, money based situation when you lose a loved one, Um, and then getting that money, some of that money, I believe it's taxed and just all of this shit. I don't know the exact tax rate, but I know it's pretty high. Um, the ability to then create something is that is run on a Blockchain with some form of smart contracts. And what I mean is when an individual passes away, if all death certificates were put on the block chain on, there was a smart contract in, and when that individual dies goes into the system, it hits that smart contract instantly. It's all set up. It's all program. There's a $1,000,000. It's set to go to four people. A person dies. That smart contract is hit. It's those that account of $1 million.250,000 dollars instantaneously gets put into the individual's account. Now, the way that works is very similar to a vending machine. Right. Um, you have your money, right? Or your death certificate. I mean, and you, uh, take that back. You have your money, you put it into the vending machine, right? So imagine that's the death certificate getting uploaded to the Blockchain when the individual dies. Ah, the next thing that happens is something has to go over and grab your stuff. So when that button is pressed, that would be the trigger of that death certificate was then hit, sending the automatic system to go pick up whatever it needs to pick up. That would be the money. And then it brings it back into the individuals accounts. That technology is there. Does that make sense?

spk_1:   50:49
Yeah, And And what? The real value of that one of the biggest values that maybe not can't be seen is that there's waters trust in that you know exactly what's gonna happen. And it's executed by an impartial, unbreakable mechanism. Yes. And that's why there is that what the cost of the book is the truth machine. There's so much mistrust in our financial system and all these different in government in so many institutions. What makes America so great, or what has is, is our institutions, our reliability of laws that people can know. And I'll be treated fairly under the law. And and that's what the Blockchain conduce is. It can give us an impartial accounting accountability mechanism that it removes the need to have to trust someone because you can trust the Blockchain. Yes, in that, though, it's, you know, how secure is the Blockchain, and that's where you get into. You know, right now it's uncorrupt herbal until we can Quantum computer. And then there's quantum computing. Coming computing is coming right around

spk_0:   51:48
the corner. Quantum computing is coming around the corner.

spk_1:   51:51
So we're working on the quantum quantum resistant exam Blockchain and so and so just a second. But I mean, I am a believer in the uses of Blockchain I see, especially in this near term and financial

spk_0:   52:02
scenario for everything. But there's for a lot of things that it could be used for

spk_1:   52:05
and that the only thing that is I get I get that old man in me that's like, Well, where is the paper? I need to know because I don't know how to use this computer. You know, like you know, like I won't. I won't be as tech savvy as you know, most of the next generation. And so it is a little frightening if you're not tech educated to think that everything is gonna be on

spk_0:   52:25
it is so true. You know, it really is because I see my mom. My grandma are my wife's grandma on. And just, like, even like my my boss, Robert, Um, and they don't fully understand you utilize the technology. It's crazy thing is that people that even most people that utilize the technology don't really usually totally understand basic level. Like when people look at, like my you know, my own computer and I all the different software and folders and things that I have, it doesn't make sense, even on that level, just a basic level. But to be able to utilise different pieces of these tools to help your everyday life eyes crazy. Because we are in this generation now, right as millennials, where we were born, technically without it, right? Because when we're gonna we would go out, play the sun, you know would go up when the light post went on. I'd have to fucking come in the generation. Now the you know, Generation Z, right? They have technology. And so that is their playground, right? Yeah. I mean, reality, Israel and all that. But you just so huge Hall. It's going. So what about the next generation? It's more the next generation. It's more. And we come to this time as human beings where we will evolve That has not stopped. Um, And if we make it through all of these different things, at least in my opinion, from ah, pandemic or asteroid, right? And if we can go another 1000 years, human beings that walk around in most places around the world have a smartphone connected to the Internet. We are all smarter than we've ever been in our mind forever. Right? Because it

spk_1:   54:12
depends on your way smarter.

spk_0:   54:15
Not us actually smarter, but have more information, right ability to get the information

spk_1:   54:20
right and just to clarify because it's important clarification because people maybe have become more reliant and less critical. Thinking because they've just been relying on is information only Google The answer to this. Oh, it's gonna be the first opinion. You don't retain things in your memory as much now because you can. There just a few. But they are just

spk_0:   54:36
want to finish my porthole. Let's bring their eyes. Go a lot

spk_1:   54:39
of very easy for us to get lost. We're

spk_0:   54:43
going to get to this point where we become one with the machine. A cyborg? Yes. Right. Um,

spk_1:   54:50
all signs certainly seem to

spk_0:   54:51
put that. Yeah, it's very crazy to see coming before it, but then being able to foresee into the future,

spk_1:   54:59
it's It's interesting. I think about this a lot, talking about the whole ideas of globalization and the ideas of decentralization, those air both to common themes. Right nowadays, it seems that we're currently navigating the treacherous waters of subjective truths. Nowadays, right, much people living there on truth. And so it seems that we're navigating this these waters of trying to switch from the easiest, such such a solution to implement which we did it first, which is monotheists, monotheism, monopoly, mono, Whatever, right? We're all the easiest way to get your tribe of Homo SAPIENs to unite together is to have a unifying ethos to the whole thing. rights. And that comes with traditional religion that comes with delegating, electing or just someone appointing themselves in the sense of a dictator. Ah, small party to speak for the larger party. And so that's always kind of how been, how it was traditionally and we're entering the 20th century, postmodernism becomes super popular and its effects now in the 21st century. It seems that we are, I think, rightfully so now, attempting to figure out how can we discern reality and truth by taking into account both objective reality and subjective reality? Because, you know, a lot of people like to hate on everybody who puts a lot of importance on subjective reality, and I understand the impulse. But there's so there's so much importance that should be placed on the subjective reality on the subjective experience, because that's part of the human condition. That's part of what the whole thing is. So we're trying to reconcile objective and subjective. We're trying to reconcile unity with diversity, right, and we're at what 78 billion people now on the on the Globe asked for and and think about how impossibly hard it would be to try to sequence everybody's subjective truth into one that would be the ideal, right, if we have one, you know, unifying truth. That is an aggregate of every little bit of DNA

spk_0:   57:04
from every inside God, right? Like, Well, that's Yeah, Earth like so we create. And then, like, we all become one. And then

spk_1:   57:11
I read this great science fiction story where that's the idea. Like you evolved enough is a species to where eventually you all become a unity and yeah, and then you're all powerful. But that's what we're navigating philosophically, socially, economically, politically, right? This whole pushback between globalisation and nationalism, right? Globalism and nationalism. It's were feeling that friction where we know that we need to have a phase shift. We need to have a jump to where we're thinking mawr universally. But we're still programmed by our our tribal instincts, right, because society and technology of all faster than biology, right? And so we're experiencing this friction where we're trying to evolve because we know that we're entering a, um there's an escape velocity right that we need to hit. We're going into this exponentially increasing global situation and and we need to jump to the solution And the only way through seems to be pushing through. We can't fall back. We can't retreat. We have to keep going forward. So we're trying to do that. But we're also, um, tied by our our instincts and by you know, the whole make America great again culture. And we're experiencing that friction, right? And so as we continue to evolve, that just becomes increasingly complex.

spk_0:   58:26
It does. It really does. Yeah. I mean, we've all come so far as a society. Ah, and we're faced with all of these things from, you know, technology evolution. That was just talking about before, um, two things that we're facing right now is the Corona virus is, uh there's a lot of Americans out there and people around the world that are fucking scared freaking out because the media is sharing so much different in so many different points of view. And this bits and pieces of information. Then you have the Internet, which is just a flood of fucking information. Ah, for the first time ever Ah, we've been on Oh, I mean, we're pretty much quarantine to our homes or small group gatherings. Less than 10. Ah, for the first time in my life. Andi, I've thought about this before, but for the first time in my life Ah, you were at this tipping point where, like, humanity can go one or not, Not forever, but one or two ways. One way that we figure this shit out Or if people continue Teoh not be able to work and food and all of these things start to slow down, we will go back to our primordial instincts. We will go back to tribalism, tribalism, the days of the revolution and the command cheese and Indians. And before I mean, if you just look at thousands of years, we've been fighting at war. Right now, it's just in these small pockets on and yes, their World War Two. But I'm talking about in our generation, it's it's very scary. And so what do you guys think? Like for you guys. What the hell You got me thinking about it?

spk_1:   1:0:12
I mean, so to be honest, I feel like ever since I was like a teenager, I have been preparing for this time, you know, just like I have the court mentality of like, you know, I should stock up on things because I don't know if there's a time that there's gonna be chaotic and I cant or like, I should eat a bunch more food if I'm going outside of the house, because when's maybe I don't know, there's somebody I don't know, it just kind of the mentality. But then, you know, like I said, kind of watching how everything was unfolding from a decade ago to now. Yeah, it's kind of like I I thought this did. I mean, I was expecting this time I didn't know it would be Corona virus, But you knew, or I feel like I knew what the financial system was. Unknown, unsustainable the way we're running it, and they needed it was going to happen. Inevitably, a collapse like this.

spk_0:   1:0:54
Yeah, but this was way bigger than the

spk_1:   1:0:55
way, faster, way faster because of the crooner virus. And it's like, you know that I don't have no idea. I think Russia and China have, you know, like that who they kind of laid laid, laid at the feet of the U S like thing, and they had something to do with this. But regardless of ny, why? Well, think about this is what I would say that the motive would be that now. The financial collapse was not because of the financial system, not the way the financial system was built. The financial collapse is now due to the Corona virus. It's not due to the fact that we printed

spk_0:   1:1:23
that could happen

spk_1:   1:1:24
hundreds of billions, if not trillions, when the deficits had complete disregard for the Fiat dollar and how we ran it. It's just it's a very that's a computer. Anything. It is a theory and, you know it's not like it. I don't have the prevalent, but just to me, if you looked at motive, it could. And who better? How what benefits from this?

spk_0:   1:1:40
But here's the thing that people are still scared. If it happens. Fucking scary waits on way that scared. If it goes for too fucking long, people go on, get crazy. They already are. Some people are You know what, Marino? Trying to make the houses taking toilet paper. This dude that stole that, you know, semi truck filled of toilet paper. Um, people up in Ventura right over here, like people trying to loot through houses to get shit that will grow if this shit don't get figured out, that's why gun shops, man. I tried to go get my frickin license, um, to our line, and then they were closed. We have frickin martial art now and even get a gun right now like you have to order it and then pick it up in 10 days.

spk_1:   1:2:22
That's better road that's been around.

spk_0:   1:2:23
But there were hours our like 23 hour lines. People getting guns because motherfuckers air skit I've never seen I think

spk_1:   1:2:31
about think about all those preppers, right? The preppers have been, like, you know, like preparing for these kinds of times in life.

spk_0:   1:2:37
Oh, they're Gangsters. Spot

spk_1:   1:2:38
that looks started vindicated as Howard, you know, they're so vindicated. And it's like But, you know, I don't like Yes, they are. Right. Well, that's a conspiracy theory, right? There's

spk_0:   1:2:47
always talked with my brother Michael, that when we get enough money, we want to build a huge underground bunker to frickin house. You know, a whole bunch people like 3000 square feet. I I will for sure do that. Um, if we get bother money one day, that's like, but you can still prepare. Sorry. That I was like, You can still prepare. Um, and those frickin orders that are preppers they They're not hoarders. The preppers, uh, definitely get the wind this time regardless, If anything good or bad happens, Either way it goes, they're vindicated.

spk_1:   1:3:22
And just like your fantasy of the bunker, like I've always wanted at least a self sustaining property, ideally a compound that los like run on solar power with Tesla battery packs and a well, with, like a lot of a lot of arable land that can grow stuff on. So I could just could be completely stable. And they have, like, maybe have a whole community of, like, my family out there and build house like But then again, that's tribal even to thinking like that tribal. But God, that's kind of how we are the species. And this is my what might be what we actually do revert back to, of course, being more community based, which could be good to you in the fact that we can become more community based as long as we can. If we get food, imagine we start turning these parks in the community gardens, you know, and that kind of that vehicle

spk_0:   1:4:03
Road, bro. Yes, I agree with you. I romanticize. I'm just going to say I was thinking in my head, and I'm not going to say I'm not a romanticized like I don't want it to happen, But a romanticized of shit gets fucking crazy.

spk_1:   1:4:15
Yeah, Zombie world. Ok,

spk_0:   1:4:20
well, I've already started looking into building a 10 foot gate. I had my really good friend, uh, he's a contractor and hey, looked into Temple Gates. Like what ones? Things that would be like safe and secure. And we thought about ideas that will take my sister's car front. Freakin election.

spk_1:   1:4:37
It's a funny thing about that. It's kind of like it. Of

spk_0:   1:4:39
course, I don't want it to happen, right. But I think I'd be good at it, I think good. During those

spk_1:   1:4:46
I, you know, being my fiance injury, we kind of joke about it because I'm like, she's a she's a physician assistant and I'm like him. You're more valuable than me and the lip time, like you have medicine. Like I'm just kind of bronze right now. So I just need you to, like, say, I'm with you, you know, way, uh, just goes like you start thinking about like, yeah, if when it came down to what people absolutely need to survive and like like first off, personal relationships are very important. Now they're Nairobi. I mean and always have been really get down to it. But you more so now where, you know, you may need to rely on your community to survival

spk_0:   1:5:20
after a 1,000,000 die and shit like that. We're just saying that kids, that's what would have

spk_1:   1:5:24
some even know why I look at the supply chains. If grocery stores just like it, trucks could not travel. For every reason Oleson like we get a lot of fruit from somewhere else, we don't get it from our city. So like, even if just supply chains shut down for a long extended period of time, then you know, then we have to learn to get food somehow. Like what? We can survive off, can

spk_0:   1:5:43
you? But most people don't know how to most

spk_1:   1:5:45
people. I talk to you and I want to learn.

spk_0:   1:5:47
Like I know how to fish. Barely. But I've gone a lot of times. I can shoot a gun at a fairly shoot a gun, Uh,

spk_1:   1:5:55
and that would be surviving would become your whole life.

spk_0:   1:5:57
I feel like I can shoot a gun, but by most people cannot. And it would just be very I'd be chaotic.

spk_1:   1:6:05
The only thing we have going for us

spk_0:   1:6:06
that doesn't happen. Do you like that?

spk_1:   1:6:09
We have the luxury of having had made so much canned food that we could probably just scavenge canned food for, like, a year or something before.

spk_0:   1:6:15
Oh, yeah, that's a good point. It would be a lot of food,

spk_1:   1:6:17
but, like then were then we gotta figure it out anyway. And our cholesterol and like sodium levels would be so high. This is the Habs versus Russo debate, the classic philosophical debate like Are humans at their best, just in nature without the long claws, the law governor m in society, with all the tyranny that goes on? Or are they chaotic in their natural state? And do they need to be governed? And that's that's like that debates been raging for hundreds of I think it's like the the best sister. I mean, in my mind, the best societies would be, you know, ones that could just govern kind of governed by consent. Just consent. Consent of open.

spk_0:   1:6:56
Everyone just gets along.

spk_1:   1:6:57
Not even that, like like I agreed to work with you are are are consensual terms.

spk_0:   1:7:03
You have people stabbing people in the backs. And because

spk_1:   1:7:06
the tribes are getting bigger, bigger can't comprehend eight billion people in our tribe.

spk_0:   1:7:09
No, you can't. You can't. But what you just did the debate, right? Money being doing your own share being controlled. If you look at society, right from from cave manners to now, how did we do? Did when we were, like in our tribes like that? Like the natives, the Native Americans, the mines, all of them. How did they do? Compared to

spk_1:   1:7:32
so like the like the governor, Native Americans desire Korean. Those those societies they actually had very, very well run. Um, um you know, governments within our model of government was Bates. I think on the Iraq war, a model of government, but

spk_0:   1:7:46
that would be a government to write.

spk_1:   1:7:47
But they also had things like like gender involved, too. And like the woman had to say in certain things in the men had, like, they're also kind of tailored it to like realities versus just you know, maybe principle.

spk_0:   1:7:57
How long did people live to back then?

spk_1:   1:7:59
But I think a while. I mean, you know, it was a bit different society, you know that. Scratch that. But I think that, um I think we can learn a lot from from that specific society if you looking at models like and even just if we rethink a lot of things like Rethink what? What's what are because our social, I guess morals are probably founded on Judeo Christian morals and and believe. And there was which comes ah, lot from ancient Greek as well and there. But there was also a lot of other ways that people were living back in the day like okay with another look at their but sex sex at dawn, which is a really good looking. It talks about just humans being monogamous and not, but like there were tribes. There were the different kinds of tribes that their entire society was just set up differently and work like even the idea of monogamy, right? So, like, only two animal species are monogamous out of all the animal species, but and then we think only two. I think it was like the bonobo monkeys and like the penguins or something, but not

spk_0:   1:8:57
penguins. A gangster? Yeah, Gangster,

spk_1:   1:9:00
at least for mammals. Live 300 years number. Let's was a legit, monogamous bonobo monkeys. That's about it now. But there's a baboon species which were closely blacked out there like the fucker. And so, um and so But like there were societies, I think, in China, whatever that you know. Men. It was expected that different woman could sleep with whoever they wanted. And men kind of came and Dio and the tribe was built around a matriarch, you know, So there's other players other. There's other ways that we could live in. Maybe it shouldn't be one blanket for everybody. It might just be a tribal thing. This is how this tribe, you know, works or the city or the idea. This is our country. Maybe it is better to have that kind of certain separation so that people can be tailored to their own individual desires and beliefs, and they can go to wherever it is geographically that, you know, they want associate with the most. So do you think that what you're talking about is that like a regression to where we were before. Or is it an evolution forward in some ways going back to the roots? But is there some crucial element that's been missing throughout his face? Up until this point, I think a big thing is, so the way you'd move forward and maybe it's backwards because if you believe in, like a lot of like OK, just on this out there, I think you introduce Graham Hancock, right? Super, ever evolved human. So whether or not we're raising reverting back in time, I don't know. But basically a way forward for me is that there's there's a better way to live and it's without ego. Yes, way of everything. Get my way. But if we had, if we were to relinquish the ego and expectations of how things should be and we had a more authentic interaction with our peers that involves us being involved, everybody having to be not only educated on the outside, but emotionally educated as well. Yeah, I hear about that, and that feels like a cultural shift that's actually happening now to like in terms of getting rid of the ego shifting to you know, this mawr kind of co generator co generative society. That feels like something that's becoming more and more relevant nowadays. To and maybe that's in part because of were starting to incorporate more Eastern influence as well, cause I mean, you know, Eastern philosophy has always been more about that, but, um, it is interesting. I hear a lot of people talk about this in terms of they call it Game A versus Game. Be Oh, in Game A is what we've been playing pretty much throughout history, where it's, um, every man looks out for himself and or his tribe, his small unit right, familial unit societal. You'd have whatever it's, it's a The game is based on competition. Basically, it says it's it's not a zero sum games. Thank you. Yes, it's a zero sum game, right? There's a set amount in the pie, and if you are taking part out for yourself, you're leaving less for everyone. And so this is what we've been playing, and this is what capitalism is built on and everything. And then there's a There's a lot of talk about shifting towards what we would call game be, which is more about the collaboration the establishing practices that air sort of more regenerative. They're more sustainable there, like sustainable resource, is as opposed to non unsustainable. Right? And, um ah, lot of that seems to have to do with, like I said, is trying to like become more global and collaborative, but also acknowledging the fact that we are tribal and then we can't hand. No one individual can handle that load, and that is, I mean, a lot to get, like super deep. But that's a spiritually thing of that. You know, we are all one, but we have to respect their own individuality. We're all individuals, you know. That's the truth. England searcher. We are individuals, but we're also all connected. It's not unity or diversity. It's like diversity within unity or vice versa. Unified diversity maybe. Yeah, So

spk_0:   1:12:49
what? Unifies what? Unifying. What do you think will unify us all, like bring us all? Because

spk_1:   1:12:55
right now it's fears that thing. But the whole thing is that if it's fear that brings us together, I mean, maybe you could say ends, justify the means, But that doesn't seem authentic, either. I think it needs to be loved. Yeah, that sounds cliche, but it should be loved. That brings them but the desire to want what's best for you and the person next to you. And we're talking about platonic love like love in the sense of not not necessarily ironic, but, well, I mean free love. But yeah, it's just being compassionate. Compassion, empathy, other human beings is part of yourself. But apart from you at same time, yeah, it's really interesting because, you know, it's getting spread to to all species now to like all species of animals and plants as well. Yeah, I mean, there are very, very practice. There are very practical ways that we could be just improving the environment. Well, here here's Here's something that, just as a side note like Corona virus optimistic silver lining side like our wildlife is probably gonna get a break. Right now, our oceans, our waters, are skies are clearing up. This feels like an opportunity for a reset for people to re evaluate what's going on in their lives. Reevaluate, like the world around us is slowing down. And we're so we were so busy acting so fast that now we can slow down a bit, too, and just look at the things that are in front of us and look at what are actual priorities are and then maybe recalibrate our lives. You know this in a way. It's sad for those for those that are having to move on. But maybe this is everyone's time. This is what we can't control. And so the best we can do is take this time to be as optimistic and see the opportunity, this opportunity to grow as an opportunity to face the things that we haven't been wanting to face. Accountability. If you've been in the rob, if you've been, you know, like not doing holding yourself accountable to goals that you've said everything, you got to slow down and say everything stops, think about what you're doing and recalibrate

spk_0:   1:14:49
if you have no money if you have no money, if you can't pay for food, if you can't pay for diapers, I just don't see if there's no time going about that. There's no time. I know the government wants to send $1000. 2000 they said. Um, I think it was $2400 for a couple in 1200 individual and there was some other shit. Um, but if that drags on, I mean Kanko pass among.

spk_1:   1:15:14
Well, this is this is why people as community based, would need to step in voluntarily and help our fellow people we donate, donate or me. Jonah

spk_0:   1:15:22
getting out there,

spk_1:   1:15:23
you know, just get out there and just like

spk_0:   1:15:25
No, I'm joking. I'm joking because they say stay away. But why does there come a point where people have to go back to work? People have to live there like people have to do the things that they do and face the consequences. I mean, if they don't, how are they going to get a vaccine? I know that even doing test trials right now, but that just blows my fucking mind. And I know that the, um, the Trump administration was able to kind of lower the barrier for being able to push different test trials through a lot faster. Um, ever like everything before. I mean, it's been a month or whatever. Ah, but usually takes a year, year and 1/2. I'm not exactly sure to build a proper vaccine. Eso I don't see it happening in a month. Two months, Three months. I mean even harder. Three months. That's gonna be fucking rough. I feel terrible. My every part of my body, like, keep in mind, box man. Keep in

spk_1:   1:16:27
mind. Well, too, though, that I don't know. I mean, this is It's a It's obviously a bad virus, but is it the most lethal, most lethal virus out? But it's It's harmless, rapidly spreading fast, involving

spk_0:   1:16:39
deadlier than influenza. That's

spk_1:   1:16:41
just influence. I don't know if it's a it's a type of influenza. We'll leave

spk_0:   1:16:46
we'll influenza is 0.1% compared to where they say Corona viruses 2 to 3% there reported of what 3% of people that get it will die, right? Uh, you know, 0.1% of people get influenza. What guy

spk_1:   1:17:01
That makes it because it's more. It's more lethal to degree more lethal, and it will. It will. Some

spk_0:   1:17:05
people say 10%. 11%. How the fuck do people know, right? I mean, I know our government, I believe, says 2 to 3%. Um, it's fucking nuts. So it's I that is that what has to happen 2 to 3% of people that will get it have to die for us to live so we can build on immunity. That that sounds fucking terrible to me. So then shit gets fucking crazy.

spk_1:   1:17:32
It's, But that's also out of our control.

spk_0:   1:17:34
Of course it is. So it's like you better prepare

spk_1:   1:17:37
you prepare. But it's the reality that we get angry. A force that we can't control. You know,

spk_0:   1:17:44
I'm not even mad about the virus. I'm not mad about it at all. I just think. Okay. My family. I need to get ready. I might have to build a 10 foot fucking gate. A perimeter, Barbed wire. Ah, you know, guns and locked down my fuckin family and close friends. Ah, and that's that. I have no problem in doing that. I don't want it toe happen, but I am preparing them for the first time in my mother Fucking light up. It is a 50 50. I don't know if it's exactly 50 50 but

spk_1:   1:18:13
it's interesting because we we all suffer from, like, the end of history illusion. You know where

spk_0:   1:18:18
it at the end,

spk_1:   1:18:19
We Yeah. We always be the We always have this bias where we think that we're at the we've evolved the most and there are no, you know, we have problems in general, but there are no, like huge problems, like the black plague or or whatever Spanish influenza, you know, You know what this this this time kind of makes me feel like, though, is that like, normally you have those people that your close friends or friends you have you have in the back of your mind and there's a lot of hubbub going around in your brain. You know, you think about them randomly, but there's a time where everything stops. All that hubbub drops out of your brain and you start thinking exactly about where your loved ones are, of course, and it makes you feel like you take account for them. Now.

spk_0:   1:18:56
My mom is my mom's in trouble order with my stepped on my step that is in the hospital right now. Okay, um, it's tanto Whatever right? It sucks, and it's terrible when my stuff is going through on my mom's. A chance for I mean, he's been out of the hospital like a year. Ah, and she's by his side and his kids live up like upstate New York and warmer place, whatever but if she gets crazy, she's out there by herself. And so I told my mom and she promised me, Um, and I would talk to my stepbrother and stepsister. Ah, that if she gets crazy, you're coming. I will drive to you. I will fucking do whatever I have to do. But when I say it's time, it's time. And she agreed. And it's so It's so weird because I'm saying these things and like, I hope people listening. It's like, Don't freak out, Don't freak out. You can't like if you The more you freak out, the more you are not in the right state of mind

spk_1:   1:19:58
and the more you get other people to freak out, is that it? That it creates a

spk_0:   1:20:01
mistakes that there's nothing you can do about this so you fucking stick to it. You do what you have to do and you live your life and you and you fight because in life you either fight toe liver, you fucking die. And that is a firkin true statement that I say all the time. So it's so important for people to understand that now I do not want this to happen, and I really do hope everything is fine and chances are probably will be. But this is the first time anything like this to this level. This is bucking nuts. The government is telling me I have to stay in my house or I can get in trouble. I can't go to the parks, the beaches, and I understand. But my government is telling me I cannot leave my fucking house. They're closing down gun shops now. You can if you if you have a license, you you can get one. Allegedly. This is weird. And I don't think, in my opinion, I don't think it's a conspiracy theory. I do believe it did some out of China and the way that they handled there, There, there, there, there, animals. Right. And they passed some laws making sure that in these you can't have these exotic animals toe like killing shit. But, um, we need to start thinking that if that goes this way yet you have the right mindset because I know people in my life that are freaking out right now. And I'm not. And it's not second better than it's. No, it's I have been faced with death in my life have been in the hospital for three weeks. Almost frickin guide was in I c U was trait frickin on life support. The whole fucking nine. I thought I was going to die and I lived. It was very hard when I got out on Di went through a lot of crazy shit by when you know that at any time it could be taken away. You want to do everything you can to make sure that you have it. And I do think, Ah, that being a little prepared, not freaking out is the smart thing to Dio. I don't know.

spk_1:   1:22:11
It does feel a little bit like there is a generational shift going on where? I mean, you know, the millennial generation has become hyper focused on mental health and things

spk_0:   1:22:22
that I talk about all

spk_1:   1:22:23
Yeah, exactly. And it's It's a crucial piece of the puzzle that people were not considering before, right? And so every generation, I'm sure, kind of makes these advances. But our generation is becoming increasingly mental, health conscious and environment consciousness, right? And then the generation after va after us is making that shift. So it does seem like like all of the responses to the Corona virus pandemic where, you know, you see it all across all social media. It seems that across the board, everybody is sort of putting out these, um, messages that are very conscious of the disadvantaged, very mentally mental, health conscious. And so there it does seem like we were prepped in like our generation has been prepping for the end. Maybe not in the way were like teens during the recession. Yeah, casting were like, Do this definitions unstable? Like we see this Yes, something involved into the social conscience that

spk_0:   1:23:21
is so true and like every seven years, that's like, I see that any any of the shit can crumble and we become more and more aware. And I believe the Internet inspired a lot of that because the amount of information and I said earlier in the podcast that we're smarter, right? And and then you said, Well, we have more information. Sure, I agree. But I believe that when they look back at our time, the evolutionary leap that we took by Steve Jobs creating the motherfucking iPhone what that did to society,

spk_1:   1:23:57
which started with the MP three player by the way, didn't even start with Apple. Just started with M portable MP three flavors which changed in the iPods was changed in the iPhones.

spk_0:   1:24:05
Yeah, yeah, and here we are. So it's like, Yeah, we know are the amount of information that we have inside our brains now is magnitudes higher than a generation before us in a generation before us, in my opinion. And I know that sometimes I say we're becoming, you know, we're becoming less smart, but I believe that that and some people heart don't get me wrong. There's and there's there s there's always right. But, um, with this technology, if we can hold onto if she doesn't get crazy and everything is knocked out, whatever. If we can hold on to it, we will become a very, very intelligent society. We cannot leave Earth. We cannot become an interplanetary species in this fucking shell of ours. Our body like come on, we can barely withstand. Um, we can withstand the space, right? We just our bodies can't but getting back to the cyborg point as we evolve and become one with this technology Ah, maybe we can change our shelved and then allow us to become, You know, this interplanetary species, and we saw death, that's for sure. Uh, do I think that's gonna happen? Yeah, but if this it, like I said if But I do believe if she gets crazy, it'll be crazy for, like, six months a year. Then shit will work out. And then, um I don't think it's all going to go to fucking hell, but it might be high alert time.

spk_1:   1:25:39
We're certainly already cyborgs, and in some sense, er where he knows

spk_0:   1:25:44
generation, I always say that first generation cyborg millennials.

spk_1:   1:25:49
I mean, some people are legit physical cyborgs because they have prosthetic limbs, whatever again. But we're all cyborgs in the sense that we have our smartphones or are smart devices. And now we have our apple watches. And now our homes are part of our cyborg state, right? Like, where s so we're definitely getting there, you know, and

spk_0:   1:26:08
and then there always listening. Yeah. Then there always listening. And we give that up for the right, without right or the ability to use the technology. Do

spk_1:   1:26:18
you think we're going to reach a point in the future where it's just generally socially accepted that privacy isn't really a thing.

spk_0:   1:26:24
Of course, Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. 100.

spk_1:   1:26:28
And it's not like people might not even have too much of an issue with that, Like the average wars. Of course, because it will just be such a

spk_0:   1:26:34
soft Nordby, the next generation, the next generation as they become fully entrenched in the Internet and then the Internet of things and technology a za whole. Yeah, that because we believe we we have this fucking poll in our brains that this is it. This is the fucking future. And when then those things started has to

spk_1:   1:27:00
It seems like it has to. It seems like it'll put an increasingly large strain on our mental health because we're

spk_0:   1:27:06
way that'll go away.

spk_1:   1:27:08
And do you think so? I mean, social media now it causes so much mental, of course, use more than before because we're constantly our social status is constantly dependent upon public displays of on the Internet.

spk_0:   1:27:18
I think that those things do

spk_1:   1:27:21
people learn to cope with that.

spk_0:   1:27:22
I believe that wars will stop a swell like man to man wars.

spk_1:   1:27:26
As we know. If we know there will

spk_0:   1:27:28
be like there are cyber wars and, you know, bombs and drones and shit like that could get thrown. But ah, man to man combat. In a way, they're gonna build a force of AI based, bad ass Terminator style robots that are gonna book you up. And we as human beings, better become a motherfuckin cyborg. And if that shit turns on us, which ai might, um we need to be ableto take it on, So Ah,

spk_1:   1:27:58
yeah, you're sort of your You're describing a sort of more hardware based ah scenario. And I always kind of think of it more as it'll be a software based scenario. Yeah, you're probably right. There will

spk_0:   1:28:09
become a time where? It's words both. Yeah, well, there are Have you seen the Boston Dynamics? Robots that can fucking flip and and do park core and move and get fucking. Are you fucking

spk_1:   1:28:21
well, there? There, there, there. Feats of engineering. But, hey, I always lacks What is it called? General intelligence. They have a lot of intelligence in specific fields, but they can't move around the world as abstract. Leah's humans do. That's always been, but, uh, you know, I think that if if technology ever came out with artificial intelligence that was a smart as a human. Let's say that's a much more significant thing because I feel like we as a consciousness are separate from our bodies, right, and we're inhabiting this human form. So it was another consciousness like that. The consciousness that are in these machines might just be us to, you know, like our conscious, like the same conscious that comes into us comes into them to give them that artificial intelligence that can involve, like our intelligence forces. So it's just like I don't know, like, now that everything is an extension. We are

spk_0:   1:29:14
God, you know, were God.

spk_1:   1:29:15
That's the hard problem of consciousness. That's what they call it where, as much as we learn about psychology and the state of the human brain and everything is always framed in terms of, I think this guy named Thomas Nagel, I want to say his last name is definitely Nagel. He presents this problem as in with the question. What is it like to be a back like we know we've learned everything there is to know about how bats live, how they function and everything's just give correct the bottom. But the bottom line is nobody no human understands what it is like to actually be a bad in terms of what is the actual headspace like right? We can even matter can map the brain waves. None of us know what that is actually like. That's the hard problem. So So when it comes to a I, it's like, yeah, how do you really know? Maybe we will. Presumably at some point, I don't know how far in the future it is, but we'll reach a threshold where we solve the hard problem of consciousness. And we can actually, I don't know, maybe transport your consciousness into the consciousness. But even then, isn't it just your experience is the experience of you within?

spk_0:   1:30:19
Of course, it's not different body their bodies. So I

spk_1:   1:30:22
don't know how you saw.

spk_0:   1:30:23
I want to be like a six point he concluded one day and the next I want to be like a five foot two blonde. But, you know,

spk_1:   1:30:27
I think held like But what what's what Stephen just said. Like think about how crazy it is. I think he said that you are separate from your body. Yeah, what are you right. That's like semi conscious like that. That's like, you know, under under, like, normal science that you know that energy can exist without matter where energy Well, shit. What are you? Look and then where do we come from? What is that, Mother? That consciousness. Can you describe it in a purely materialist means or not? Is who knows?

spk_0:   1:30:55
Mom was mad right now. It doesn't matter. I have to

spk_1:   1:30:58
say it does not see him. It does not seem all encompassing enough to describe. Let's call it the soul, right? Or human consciousness in purely materialist rationalist means, right? Um, like people like Sam Harris. Do you guys listen the same Harris. I have I I know, Sam, but I don't know that I can. That whole, that whole school of thought, sort of the new atheist kind of school thought where everything could be explained by purely rational, materialist means and way. We've learned a lot from that, but it also doesn't seem like the whole pick.

spk_0:   1:31:32
How did this get created? This shit is a motherfuckin simulation, bro. No, that's like that's really that that is You can't disprove when I look When I look at all of them. You know, religion from like, you know, God, to know God to this two, that's a simulation through that makes the most sense in my opinion. Now, can there be something after it's done? Maybe that's in the simulation,

spk_1:   1:32:00
and I think if you're flexible on the definition exactly of what simulation is that it becomes even more right things. This is just the ultimate simulation, right? Have physical bodies that our souls are burned into your time. Have you located? But it could just be the ultimate simulation. The simulation is just It's a subjective truth that we're all convinced of. Yeah, right. But who controls the simulation? Does anyone

spk_0:   1:32:21
for sure? Maybe pride, like two dudes?

spk_1:   1:32:25
Todo But if you think Joe and

spk_0:   1:32:28
or maybe one person controls all of it, Or maybe we're all in control, I don't know, this is just differently.

spk_1:   1:32:36
But if you think if you think that we do our conscious their souls do emanate from a different source, then you you'd have to think that that sources what controls all of it and where is that right? But is it? I don't think so. Much of our

spk_0:   1:32:48
simulation here is very similar to, like creation. They're not with all the other shit, but not to put down religion. No, but they're they're all just a series, of course, ontology. 100%. 100%. But the simulation, like with creation person, created days, but a lot, right? Well, maybe if you believe in the simulation, maybe there is a creator and they did the same fucking thing.

spk_1:   1:33:15
You know, you could You could easily work this simulation theory into traditional Eastern philosophies of like, reincarnation. Were using this to learn lessons, were coordinating, learn specific lessons and grow as our conscious

spk_0:   1:33:26
man. It would be dope. It will be dope, just like transfer bodies live forever. Everyone lives forever when they love, but that's not like

spk_1:   1:33:35
you know, but But the achievements in the simulation, like maybe in the simulation, our species does learn how to be immortal. And then that that's just

spk_0:   1:33:40
what a great and that probably I know. I do believe it will happen. Um, but a I don't know the thought for living forever. When I was younger, I was like all that makes you know, that would be fantastic, but like it depends. Like what time of your life and the people around you. And

spk_1:   1:34:02
if you live forever in your family doesn't know that's scary fast buck that well, everything remains in Stasis. Then things become do become meaningless to a certain extent, not not within 100 years. Maybe not even with 1000 years. But if you literally have infinity than things start to become meaningless, you No, no, no. Your mortality. Your mentality definitely gives you that fear. Or at least that understand True time here is limited. Make the most of it, you know.

spk_0:   1:34:27
Boom. Do you guys

spk_1:   1:34:30
watch that show the good place? First, your mortality is what mortality rather than infinity is What makes life your mortality is what reminds you that your time here is limited,

spk_0:   1:34:44
right? That is your mortality. It's always the contrast that makes the here is limited. Dude, I fuckin love that. Yeah, I'm gonna take that quote, use it, post it. Yeah, absolutely. Wow, That was good. Um, it's so true because your time here is limited and any moment it could be fucking swept right in front of you. I have Ah! Ah. I had a really good friend by the name of Merrick. Oh, um and he was with his girlfriend. He's my frickin age. Maybe Louis, younger girlfriend of five years. And they were, Ah, the night Conner McGregor was fighting and they were up on this ranch and they were just in a jeep. There's like an older Jeep, Um, not going crazy. And I think that in the fucking jeep flipped going around a turn. Everyone got flown out. Car got ran over him. Now, like what? The fuck that she just gets taken away from you. And so when we look at that and we know that, then hopefully we go. Okay? Crazy shit can happen, But you still have to live your life to the fullest every day, even on your bad days, because you need to appreciate it. You need to appreciate the time that you're here cause I know a lot of people, don't it? Just time goes so fast. When you get older, it goes faster and faster and faster. You know, the days turned into nights Nice day, but a little blonde bucking stacks up And then one day you're fucking 90 years old, old, wrinkly fuckin I can barely remember, You know, every other thing. And ah, you know, lucky to make it 90 right? It's like 78. But we need to fight toe live or die by to live or die. Shit, man. Holy father. Um, I But I do want real quick. Bring it right back to the to the Corona virus on real exciting topic right there. That's it, Is it is. It is because it's gonna segway into something else. Um, regardless of what happens with the Corona virus, we need to come together. People are scared. We know that. But we need to come together society and band together as one, because ah, unity is is so important in our families. Air so important. Um, and mean, you spend time and treasure those treasure, whatever, you know, time that you have here on this beautiful planet. Um, when I first met, it was like when I first met, use other wedding, right? I was seriously such a love story. It's so, um, so for people that are listening, I met Alex. Ah, while I was cutting. Um, my good friend Paul I his uh what the fuck is Johnny to him? Oh, easy s brother, brother, brother in law. Um and they were getting married, and I was doing the groom's hair. Ah, And And I see Alex there. And it was so funny because Paul was like, You're gonna like this guy, Alex

spk_1:   1:37:47
Jonathan? Yeah, he was like, Jonathan. He's like, he goes, This is like you. He's like, Yeah, Fred, tell you guys were to get really get along, get along. And I was like, Huh? And that's and you know, and you might remember this conversation from, ah previous podcast Jen, my sister journey Iran. But basic shout out to job Jedi. Yeah. Dude, I was scared because, like, she can't really come to my wedding, I suppose, to be in May. Right? So she would. So we have to see if we're gonna you know, uh, especially postpone that. But I was afraid that she she wouldn't have been able to fly out. Most likely because she's in London, right? Yeah, she's in London, but but but But so you know one thing. I wanted to kind of touch out when you and I met that his wedding. You know, I we immediately had that conversation. We're shooting the, you know, like going on about politics as your protectors life. Yeah, And I was like, Dude, I actually like

spk_0:   1:38:38
that. I think that my tribe, people like

spk_1:   1:38:40
like, so, like, I don't know, 667 months later. You know, I was like, I was starting to get into, you know, my hair all nice. And I was going to get Oh, yeah, to Broca's good opportunity on them. So I was like, I texted he was like a You know, you're still you still doing that? Starting here and then, you know, next thing I know, you know, I'm going down to cut my hair, and we're spending like, 2 to 3 hours. Ask a Joe Rogan about that. Um and then so you know, it is every time I come down like that, And this is this is what makes Brock so good is he just likes he can talk to people when it just comes. Actually, as a way of, you know, has a He has a willingness to learn other another's perspective and a deep enough understanding of his own perspective and knowledge of environment that you can relate to people. Um thank you? Yeah, and eso, that's what That's what. Basically, you had a mini podcast every time, you know? But then I was like, Damn, I got a plan like no appointments after. So I was like, all right, But it was good cause we got to build a good bottle. Have you guys talked about, You know, and it's why we're on spot, get that's crazy. But it was crazy. Is that also, you know, and and with Stephen, him and I met each other in a very kind of similar random way where, you know, I was a lender that he was He was, like, you know, connected to the next thing I know, you know, they're flying out. His dad's flying out to help Steve and we just start him. And me and Stephen's dad just started, you know, just talking about IRAs. Financial stuff like total like totally great conversationalists. Steven would say, like his that is really and truly

spk_0:   1:40:13
met about My God I started, but I was that went to your house since the tractor was five hours. Like good morning, Doctor, is that I love you. Do you shall issue that

spk_1:   1:40:23
you He's awesome. thing we will be. Yeah. I appreciate you love you a lot, but so I was helping them with their mortgages. Oh, yeah, You got it. Also you. But you must my son. He something like his Steve's, uh, like, links to his website. So like that. And I was like, you know, um, yeah, cool. And so we're doing is lonely close alone and see him lived out here. I got to meet him during the process to but, you know, he got they moved in. And I was like, Hey, let's all get a place that's all. Get a drink I want because my team loved working with them. I love them. We just all get along. It was, you know, you kind of know that same smart. That

spk_0:   1:40:58
was a great house that you showed him, and whoever showed

spk_1:   1:41:02
I was the financing and whatever that places. So besides the Yeah, that was that was

spk_0:   1:41:08
a work lived law palace.

spk_1:   1:41:10
It's like a multi use place in, like, Senator, you know, there's not There's, like, five of those. Yeah, thanks so much. No, it's a badass spot for sure. It was a great investment to, um Well, and you. When we had closed the deal, we went out to dinner with you. You suggested it. And that was a very professional move, by the way. And we ended up talking just like you. And when you and Brock meant we ended up talking for so much longer about things totally unrelated to the initial business that way had done together. And, you know, and it was crazy how on, like, in sync our brains were to, you know, And when you when you describe Brock to me for the first time, you said the exact same thing just like you just said about him. And you, Alex, were the one that introduced Brock and I as well. Eso So let's get to that part. So So when um when Steve us even on Henry and we'll we'll have a drink. And we, you know, totally start talking about authors thing. We had the same books like I did, but but I was just like men. There's, You know, it's not often that you meet these kinds of people that have an instinct brain with you. So I've learned I've learned in my life in the last you know several years that there's there's people are in your life for a reason. Things in your life reason events are in your life for a reason. And so I was like, I need to, you know, pursue this. This was a great conversation. So as time went on, I remember thinking back to myself to like, Man, I remember that this was not that long. Was only two months ago was like, you know, I really got I really got to reach out to Brock because you and I have been talking about things up on us. As I really got to reach out to Brock. I really shouldn't talk to Stephen. And for some reason, like these air to new, completely new friends about that. I wrote your guys his name down on the paper to remind myself to be John. Nice. The next day, I get a text from Steven. Hey, my dad's in town. Do you wanna do you wanna come over together? Drink? And I was like, Ok, interesting. Yeah, of course. And then I just and then because in two days later, truth comes, you texted me, and you're like, Hey, man, I want to do. I'm sorry. This podcast I want you want and I want Yes, I literally had just wrote because his name down on a piece of paper randomly and

spk_0:   1:43:13
so that's fucking crazy. Yeah, I had no idea.

spk_1:   1:43:18
And I'm like, That's the end. I'm like, these guys need to meet each other, and then I'm like, Oh, it's always like I'm gonna set up a dinner. I'm gonna have these guys meet each other. My sister was in town to in that manner, and you got it. Everybody see my sister like she's

spk_0:   1:43:31
just amazing. Oh, my God. You have a shot, Teoh. Such a grab. Two

spk_1:   1:43:39
of my sisters have amazing brother. My whole family's guys over.

spk_0:   1:43:43
He's gonna clip this part, and I

spk_1:   1:43:47
love Oh, my family, but you know, But I and I do like sharing my whole family everybody, but But that being said, it's like you just trust in, you know, the universe you trust in the events, things and people enough for a reason. Be open and aware. Yes, and that's and that's that's been what has just been so eye opening for me in the last years. Just be open to these things and flow flow with it, dude, and see where it goes. Dio keep moving forward.

spk_0:   1:44:13
I would not thank you more for doing that because, um, as as a lot of people know, Gizzi fucking is the mastermind behind frickin back to your story. I mean, this would not be open together. I mean,

spk_1:   1:44:25
you are the master.

spk_0:   1:44:26
Whatever. Dude, you're the fucking go. You'd like stitch in tape and frickin do your magic on this. And, uh, that would have This wasn't really a magical period had their Yeah. I mean, like, straight

spk_1:   1:44:37
crazy. It's crazy. It's amazing. What are the odds of something like that happening, right? Just randomly, Dambrot. That's course. It's just trust in the university.

spk_0:   1:44:47
You have to You have to, I mean, and,

spk_1:   1:44:49
you know, call a God. Trusting God is the same thing to me in my mind, I like what I say that I say internally, trust in God that God is is putting before you. You know what you're supposed to be doing and what's supposed to be before you. And even in this Corona virus situation, trust that there is a lesson in this for us, for us. to evolve. And if we face it with the right mentality, we can't evolve. And this is an opportunity for us to do that.

spk_0:   1:45:14
Yeah, I understand that. Um, so crazy. It's like I I sometimes we'll talk to God, But then I'm like, I don't know if there's a God and I made my mind is kind of, like goes back and forth, right? Um, but whatever the fuck it is you have to trust in that gut. And so many people trust in, like there their heart or the brain. Oh, fuck that trust in your gut, that instinct, that primordial instinct. There's something a about that right fucking there that that 10 out of 10 times it's fucking right

spk_1:   1:45:49
now. It's really interesting. Jordan Pearson talks about this, actually, like when you're when you're praying. Yeah, like when you're praying to God what you're doing is you are sitting in silence solemnly, and you have a concern that is on your mind, right? Like you have some existential issue and you open up mental space to address that issue, right? And you say this is my problem and you appeal to a higher power or whatever to help you solve that problem. And if you actually, truly, authentically without any bullshit, sit down and seriously mole over. You know, whatever issue you have, some instinct will come to you. You will. You'll get an answer and you might not like it, and you very well might not like yet. And most don't you will get clarity one way or another

spk_0:   1:46:38
and that's that right, and whatever the fuck that is, right. But that is the most people. I don't think most people, but a lot of people don't follow that right there. Go the other right, right. Whatever happens, right. But that's the way that you just put that. That's that makes a lot of sense

spk_1:   1:46:53
because we can. We can. We

spk_0:   1:46:55
can believe in my God, man weaken

spk_1:   1:46:57
bullshit ourselves. But we can't lie towards knows they're two different things, you know. And no, it's not like it's not new because all these, you know, philosophers who are like, look within, look within, like that's where your all of your answers are. And it's like, Well, what's within than and far consciousness. And maybe we are part of something. Yeah, infinite. You know, if we can look at them. There are all the answers there.

spk_0:   1:47:17
That and when you say infinite, that doesn't mean we live on for infinity. I don't know what happens after. No one knows what the fuck happens when you die. If you say that you do, you're just a liar. Like,

spk_1:   1:47:26
where does your gut intuition come from? Course there's a spirit of humanity goes through all that.

spk_0:   1:47:32
And what is that, right? That's very what though. But do animals have that?

spk_1:   1:47:37
Yeah. And so what? Is it biological, or is it spiritually? Is it either or

spk_0:   1:47:42
neither have that. Is that why this Corona viruses are like, you know, do we all have that things again Bad? We've got to do this. You got this.

spk_1:   1:47:50
You know, it's interesting because I've read I'm just us. I've read several books written by, you know, sort of atheist philosophers. Daniel Dennett is a big guy that comes to mind and, you know, like Richard Dawkins, Like when you read the first chapter of The Selfish Gene, which is Richard Dawkins seminal work. It's like his most famous thing. And that's where the idea of the MIM came up originally. By the way, not the Internet, me, but the actual Yeah, So when you read the first chapter of the selfish Gene or when you read the first chapter of Daniel Den, it's most recent book. I think it's called From From bacteria to Bach and Back. I think it's something like that. But you read them and they're both sort of creation stories, you know, and you they're different. But you can if you read between the lines. At least this was my perception of it. They have the same sort of, um, feelings

spk_0:   1:48:44
you don't they? Although it certainly seems that way. There's something not not everything I matter. No, I don't know. I think I know I've never read every single bond. Never read a Bible in my fucking life. But even if you want to read that book,

spk_1:   1:48:55
it's really I would highly recommend it. The selfish gene. So, you know, they describe the origin of the universe and all these things in a completely material explanations, right? But, um, the way that they talk about it, you know, the universe is a series of universal laws, natural laws, right? These are things that set things in motion. We have the law of entropy. You have thes laws that you could say, sort of quote unquote govern the universe, right? Just the laws of nature. Right? And there is inevitable things. And and so in some ways, you can say that all of evolution, the way that first there was just space and matter started to form and then planets. And then, you know, after a long period of time, you had life single cell organisms and then multi cell organisms. And then after a long period of time, you eventually have to like conscious beings. And all of this has come out of some sort of unifying ethos that has governed the whole universe, right? All of this, you know, and I to be on. I don't know where I fall on this sort of debate of Is everything deterministic or not? I don't know. I'm not sure where I am on

spk_0:   1:49:58
freeways like is oh, free role. You have everything set for a reason or

spk_1:   1:50:02
because it's one way of looking at it, is that well, everything was sort of pre Dennis destined in a way because everything was just predestined to behave. Yes, the way it would behave in accordance to natural universal law, right? And so that's an interesting thing. I don't really know the answer to that, but it does seem that you know, everything that's happened in the universe up until the point where humans evolved. And now here we are with consciousness and the ability to actually reflect on the universe. It does seem that something was set in motion at first, and it eventually resulted in where we are now with, like, talking on this podcast,

spk_0:   1:50:36
which is nuts, which is fucking nuts.

spk_1:   1:50:38
And you can be You can describe toe organized religion to explain that, or you can be an atheist or whatever,

spk_0:   1:50:44
but the things we set on this part yes. If we would have said this 100 years ago, we would been fucking killed, right? We would have been fucking killed and to sue react today and that that evolution, right? That evolutionary, uh, thing that happens to us that when you're going through it doesn't feel like it's happening. But it doesn't stop if we just look at it from a bird's eye view. Evolution hasn't stopped. Um, so that that that continues to go and It definitely pushes us along.

spk_1:   1:51:16
And you could say that it's it's that sort of gut feeling that pushes us in one direction or another. It's this ingrained thing that we can't necessarily explain with words, but it really is something that we feel. And a lot of us, I think, behave religiously, even if consciously. We are very against religion. Off course, like we behave good, spiritual, not religious or whatever. But we were behaving with these ingrained patterns that that's what sparked religion in the first place. Religion is a social construct that evolved because of the way that were, you know, pre programmed. And

spk_0:   1:51:51
who wrote the selfish gene.

spk_1:   1:51:52
It was Richard Dawkins, Richard, Doc, And that was from the seventies. I think 73 maybe something like that.

spk_0:   1:51:59
Yeah, I don't know if it was you that told me about someone else, told me about whatever. I've definitely heard about it. It's gonna be the next. And

spk_1:   1:52:05
he was the guy that popularized the idea that this was originally a Darwinian idea, like Darwin had an idea of. There's biological evolution, and there is also social evolution. But yeah, and Richard Dawkins introduces the concept of the mean, which is basically the social equivalent of the gene that the gene is biology. Ah, name is what you would describe his cultural or societal? Yeah, things like religion, things like art. Things like an idea that I have in my head that I am literally conveying to you right now. I'm literally conveying a mim into your brain. Right now I'm conveying the mean about Mihm's right. We have these ideologies philosophies and it They're like genes. In a way, they're They're kind of like viruses in a way. Like if I say don't think about the elephant in the room, you're thinking you can't avoid thinking about the elephant in the room. You can't avoid getting that MIM in your head on these things spread very fast, right? Yes,

spk_0:   1:53:03
yes. Viral virus, Right. So is something going viral? Is it bad? But all viruses

spk_1:   1:53:09
what it's just it's just not viruses spread rapid interest because it's the behavior. That's what it's describing the behavior of the thing. So that's fucking nuts. So, evolution evolution is evolution. Evolution is both genetic and Ma Matic moment, As in Mihm's genes and memes, genetic and mathematics is theory. Yes, and, um A so far as I know he's. That theory has been supported. So

spk_0:   1:53:34
is frenetic, like the consciousness. Or it's

spk_1:   1:53:37
the things that separate us from its what you might call ideas or thoughts or study because they're so it's like there's

spk_0:   1:53:44
nothing drawn for it drying because we have the fucking skull. You can draw that. We have, ah, heart. You can draw that. We have all these things, but you can't draw that other thing. And that's the mean. Is that the point?

spk_1:   1:53:59
Yes, I think you're like some of the point that you what have you have described is in line with that. Wow, that's kind of Plato's theory of the forms to fuck. Yeah, it's like, This is I'm holding in my hand of physical glass, all right? And this is a singular object. You know, this is a drinking glass, but that's not to say that this is the only glass you have in your head, the ideal form of the glass, like you could see another physical object that is different than this. But she was still no, it's a glass, even though it's not the same thing for sure. That's because you have this idea in your head that you can know strapped out right? Like we are all sitting in chairs and Alex is sitting in a different chair than the two of us. So we still No, it's a chair. Even though we're clearly in a different piece of matter right now, because we have an idea. We have the means of a chair in our head,

spk_0:   1:54:46
and we all have the mean Yes, we all share the mean just like you.

spk_1:   1:54:50
And that makes it reality to think about that, like the way you know. Oh, but I've heard it's really good.

spk_0:   1:54:59
All right, After killing JFK, cycle O'Reilly

spk_1:   1:55:03
like, you gotta go classical

spk_0:   1:55:04
a little too much right now. Um, reading a lot of books in a

spk_1:   1:55:09
No. But I mean, that's that is just the the idea of, um are the ideas actual things too, like like the were transmuting without ever ascending actual actual thing over to. But I'm transmitting knowledge to you through a mean, which is like, yeah, that's an interesting concept. It iss like you're you're like like I'm transferring information to your brain by showing you a picture, and that's yes, interesting. Yeah, to say the least, the ideological wars that are going on, the whole hubbub about about what's fake news. What isn't This is a war of Mihm's. Yeah, right. This is and driven by algorithms and in certain senses, right, especially with social media and the Internet, like your your news. Feed your Twitter feed your whatever is a constant flood of means that are competing with each other and just like genes, just like there is, um, natural selection with genes just like you, you try out all these biological variations, and some die off in some succeed, and the ones that are able to adapt are the most successful. That's the same way with Mihm's Dude, you're saying indirectly, you say is the same thing with ideas.

spk_0:   1:56:15
Direct thought this was This'll been in the nineties are 17.

spk_1:   1:56:19
This is about his ideas are stronger rhyme or survival of fittest, both with jeans and with new people.

spk_0:   1:56:26
Consider this like I

spk_1:   1:56:28
believe this is pretty universally accepted. There are a few people that question it as far as accepted. No, what? What sense in the scientific community like this is serious that you're just like when Richard Dawkins proposed this over the decades since then, it has been pretty codified due to

spk_0:   1:56:43
it makes six decided. Yes, that's and so many people don't know that, though, to like that I didn't know that. And I think I know a little bit about a lot of things that definitely don't know everything. Um, but I thought the mean was just a mean, but it's so much more.

spk_1:   1:56:58
I don't know where the modern definition of meat like in terms of

spk_0:   1:57:03
Internet, but it's just saying they literally yeah, it's an idea. Thought something made some good. Some bad means go stocking viral. That air shows all the way around the world. That is a fucking idea. For the first time ever. Yes, we've been able to do that. Means are the most

spk_1:   1:57:21
effective form of communication. It seems like it's what comes out because you communicate these difficult concepts in one frame, you know, and some words or whatever so much I think this is what I would say. There's so much that process, like better consciousness has to be aware for a meeting toe work. Yeah, and these people that work at thes you know, they have these instagram accounts with millions of followers. And this is an actual company where the expertise this skill that the workers have is Shay. They come together and they decide what is the most pop like Has the most possibility of going viral. Of course. And they actually are thinking, you know, like, what do we know about the human condition? What do we know about the state of the world today that's can control to making this? Yeah. It's like, Why did all the toilet paper means no viral? Some

spk_0:   1:58:04
bitches fucking still in semi sports, you

spk_1:   1:58:07
know, But what should be about that is like a like a feedback loop that the sunset What? What they Are they implanting that idea first, or is it already a prevalent idea? They're putting into ah form? Are they putting it in or they calling it forth within their right? Yeah, So I mean, that's that's something to think about because I also feel like, you know, that could be translated into a lot of other things, like politically wise. Like what? I guess the media reporting on things that are yes, you know, actually going on are things they just want us to think about right, and it has the whole Yeah, the whole idea of what's the most prevalent narrative, like the The word truth is sort of defined by what is the most successful it propagating right like things become, things are ideologies or proposed ideas are proposed, some fail, some succeed, and the ones that succeed the most eventually, you know, just get written into the underbelly of society. And they just become accepted as generally accepted is true. And that becomes true, you know. And so that's the whole idea of objective versus subjective. It's and that's I mean, it's when it seems like, kind of like the Emperor has no clothes right. It seems like there is a fine line between what is subjective truth and what is objective truth. Because in the end, the idea of the emperor has no clothes. It's like eventually the objective truth has to come out in a way, um, everybody kind of being in ignorance about something for so long, it will eventually have to face some sort of hard objective reality. Yeah, you know, like even if everybody just believed they would never die, I mean, would that? I mean, I don't know what that be a self fulfilling prophecy, or would people just end up dying and then, no, you know, and yeah, that's the objective reality. Yeah, and it gets really complicated thinking about the placebo effect, right? Because the placebo effect has been proven to be a real thing, right? Like medical practitioners and scientists have run the experiment where, you know, they give you a sugar pill and you're cured of certain things. You know, this doesn't work with more serious matters, but, you know, it's in some ways the placebo effect really does work, you know, And so that's very interesting there. That's an element of humanity that we don't fully understand yet. Well, it seems like we haven't we, I think, have lost understanding of it because there are. There are cultures that have, you know, believed in practice that, you know our bodies can heal themselves. Or at least there's everything around us that give like herbs and things of the earth that that everything there's there's herbs out there to cure every known disease if we just use them right, but also ultimately that. And I think there is like you said truth to the signs of the placebo effect here, but that our body does is the best healer of our own illnesses. And that's why I like things like fasting seems to work so well, right? Yes, it's like we're allowing our body to just do its own thing and not have any of this in true intruding Yes, objects. We're also wise ing up to that fact. Have you heard about EPA genetics? I have. Yeah, we're rising up to this like EPA genetics is becoming more and more accepted. The you know, for those who don't know, it's it's it's the idea that trauma in your life and even generational trauma from before you were born generation generational trauma that that runs through your family like this trauma in your life. Usually, childhood trauma can affect your physical biological development, and your genes actually have. You know, the blueprint of your DNA actually has on off switches that get triggered, honor off by certain things that events that happened in your life. And so it's like it's crazy to think about because you know, you, your development is actually affected by you know, the social, the nurture aspect, as opposed to just purely the nature aspect, right? It's really both. And so, if you can, in many ways, yes, you can re program your genes in a certain sense, to your point of view, Don't ever know. But to this point, what what I've heard about in the same epidemics things that you're at certain environments that you place your body and unlock certain genes. Teoh, activate your body. And that's the crazy thing because that means we we are. We have more potential in our body to do things that we don't already are not over to capable of. If we just exert enough, I guess pressure or enough, um, external hardship on it, that our bodies are capable of things we don't even understand or know. And you know that because you've heard stories about how you know, like a parent who gets in a car accident in the car is like pinning down their child or something, and all of a sudden they have superhuman strength pressure. Clearly, that was possible. How can you not do that all the time? Right, because you've been put into a certain

spk_0:   2:2:42
how does that happen, right?

spk_1:   2:2:44
So it means our bodies are capable of doing things that are superhuman. It's obviously even even healing itself. And what? And the bullet's really Just when you say, mind over matter, whatever that mother believed that she just willed that strength to unlock in her jeans. What if we could do that in a way that ISMM or focus and intentional? That would be an interesting Maybe that comes with yeah, with pairing more with machines

spk_0:   2:3:08
that psychedelics its 2nd 2nd down legs that allow you to unlock parts of your brain.

spk_1:   2:3:15
Yet this is a

spk_0:   2:3:15
perfect example in I've talked about it a 1,000,000 times on the fucking broadcast, right? But it But it does we A What was that? I'm, um Food of the Gods by Terence McKenna. Uh

spk_1:   2:3:30
oh, that sounds interesting.

spk_0:   2:3:31
Uh, forget that. Forget the name, but he speaks about ah, how there is this I evolutionary switch that happens to society. I mean, if you look for ah, hundreds thousands of years or so barbaric and we went through wars and technology sucked and you do that is that in the other, right? And and and then you come Teoh like the forties fifties sixties, especially when you know LSD and psilocybin. And then things like that become very prevalent. Look at the massive shift and change from 1960 2 2000 and 20. So that six year period do you guys know agree that there's, like, this massive shift that has happened?

spk_1:   2:4:22
I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I don't I don't just I know that our at least our generation, I feel like there is a shift. But that's more I attribute, like the same psychedelics you. I think there was a massive mind opening and it probably was for the individuals. And that's why there was probably a huge, you know, the war on drugs came out, you know, as, like a because people were starting to rebel and drop out of, like, just going with the system and going with war

spk_0:   2:4:45
op, out tuning.

spk_1:   2:4:46
Yeah, exactly. So you know, I see that it was a threat. Do I think that you know me as a person, as it was a product. I mean, my parents were, you know, from the Middle

spk_0:   2:4:55
East. That doesn't matter. But

spk_1:   2:4:56
what I'm saying like, but it baby, it started in evolution process.

spk_0:   2:5:00
Yes. Yeah, and I don't for some people, because there are some outliers, like an Elon musk. Like a Bill Gates. Like a Steve Jobs. Like they're these outlines

spk_1:   2:5:11
produced individuals that have made

spk_0:   2:5:13
any to you. Look at these guys. They've all I mean, Steve Jobs talks about the importance of taking fucking LSD and how it made a huge change in his life There. There is something to say about all of these people. You have Elon Musk on Joe Rogan's podcast hitting a motherfucking joint. This is the dude. It all around the world. People look at Elon Musk as the true Renaissance motherfucking man, and he had a joint on a podcast. And so they're that type of person, um, has has experienced some things in his life, for sure. Ah, and if you just look at a lot of a lot, I mean, people fresco, the Microsoft, then

spk_1:   2:5:56
we'll know to say a 100%. And that's why, you know, like, mushrooms used to be worshipped in certain cultures. And he was the fruit. Like you said, the food of the gods were like the flesh of the gods and it's not. It's not the first time that these like, um uh, I guess I guess you'd say these psychedelics or these tools almost like a tool for us have have air have given inspiration. Like it goes all the way back to even the Greeks. They had their own rituals and rites, and they used to drink this drink called kike Ian That would institute hallucinations and basically visions of, like, you know, the future. And, yes, I want basic connection yet, and there's a whole gray stories of the book stealing fire. It opens with that story because it's all about yeah, it talk,

spk_0:   2:6:40
you guys, That's like six, four books. You guys never read one of them? Yeah, Bill ore. I

spk_1:   2:6:47
use them all from the same author your

spk_0:   2:6:49
way we're doing. It was just like it was like there were these things that I wanted to learn about. And I was like, Well, this is easy. This is that just felt right. Yeah, it was weird. I mean, he suck me, Indeed. Fucking bitch.

spk_1:   2:7:00
Yeah, but you know, just back to that there is something there with this rooms with that with with psychedelics, LSD, that and again. So I'm with you guys have read How to Change Your Mind by Michael Pollan's He Was I I

spk_0:   2:7:12
I have not.

spk_1:   2:7:13
You Were they so you. So he you know he describes the entire experience, though of of, you know, the history of shrooms kind of mushrooms, working species, but also about how this is This is like the mechanics of it. It shuts down the part of your brain that automatically subject defies your surroundings. So when you're a baby, you grab a glass or you grab something first of you received. It's the most interesting thing out there. And then and as you grow up, like like, even like Stephen was saying about how you just know a chair, the chair, you start codifying everything in your brain, and this is how when you're driving you, said Olson, wake up where your destination cause you're come brain puts you in a slipstream of telling you what what's needed to pay attention to what's not. When you look at a table, you don't notice the all the individual glasses all the on individually, because you can just see it all as like unimportant your brain filter Is it from important cities in relation, bitch? Yeah, And so what? Teoh really quick. Just to say about that. That is extraordinarily extraordinary thing that we've evolved to do because we what we do when we do that is we simplify the world because there's so many, so much sensory input all the time. We do it out of survival, out of necessity. Because we've evolved a simple that's that's not we've evolved consciousness and even self awareness. Look, if I were to put my hand behind my back and reach like, over here, I know there's gonna be a chair because I'm especially aware my brain gives me shortcuts to know where things are set off the look at it so

spk_0:   2:8:36
that that's what that's what these a loose engines do. What they do is the

spk_1:   2:8:40
short, you know, they they shut down the whole system. So now you're looking every at everything with with new eyes with UN subject ified eyes. I think Michael Palin calls that the default known network something, something like that. That's what normally are in, and then psychedelics take that off line for a bit. It takes off that day but

spk_0:   2:8:58
doesn't that give you a short cut whenever you're trying

spk_1:   2:9:02
todo it removes the filters from you and your consciousness.

spk_0:   2:9:07
You can't meditate and remove the filter

spk_1:   2:9:09
You could, because a lot longer. But that's what is your shortcut. This gives you a shortcut to where you would be a meditation for psychedelics is one way approach, of course. Is that short? Yes. I had a You're right. And the goal of meditation. Feder unfettered your mind. Get rid of all the chatter. I mean, that's again. What? What's like a looks do for that moment at that time? It removes all that chatter, all that subject iveness, and you get a clear path to consciousness. Of what? You know what else? What, what is to be true? And with that, And you actually get a knowing feeling as well. You know, gmt, man, that that's something that

spk_0:   2:9:45
that is I a the closest you will feel toe whatever that is.

spk_1:   2:9:50
Yeah, I think that's didn't Michael Pollen. Did he take the empty? Did he talk about

spk_0:   2:9:53
that white time out? Michael Pond. So what you guys are gonna do is every book that we all talked about. We're gonna write down. So, people, seriously,

spk_1:   2:10:03
you should write a book list. Put him in the show. Notes.

spk_0:   2:10:06
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. All right. Cool.

spk_1:   2:10:10
It is interesting, because I've I've managed one time while meditating to get myself into a mental state that felt like I was high or something like totally sober. But one time I had managed to do that. It took about, I think, like, 15 minutes of meditation. And then for the next hour, I was literally, like, creeping around my room, like feeling everything as if it was I was as if I was a newborn baby and that was it was so trippy. And I've only managed to that once in my life, just through sheer mental, like willpower. But so it is true, like you can get into those states through meditation here if you're really good at meditation.

spk_0:   2:10:47
Yeah, and most people are. So are most people don't don't want to take the time to practice right. Which meditation is obviously a good thing, but most people don't. But And when I talk about who's never talk about mushrooms LSD, D MD, I always stress this is like we as adults that talk about this have to understand that people younger kids might listen to this. And it's like if I could look back at my younger self and be like Brock. I mean, I didn't ever had a good time when I was younger, too. On residents, I personally never did, um, by we all know that the brain the frontal cortex ends up going to in almost 24 25 years old, right? So until you get to that point and to take these things, you have to be at peace. And when you're a kid, you're not at peace. Your parents, the greater this that that you're not. But when you are because when I started introduced them to my life as an adult, I mean, we've all talked about it's fucking change my motherfucking

spk_1:   2:11:49
life when you have one. Like you said, your developed your brain is formed, but also hearing you're going going into with a better understanding of what the hell is going on, like when you're taking. If you take shrooms for the first time, you have no idea what it was. You're just like, Whoa, I see some trippy stuff just looks different. You're just like what's going on? What am I feeling? But if you go into it with an understanding of this is what this is gonna do to you and this is the kind. This is what you should be looking to feel and think about, you know, and kind of guided through. It could be transformation, of course. And that's what. And that's why they started legalize it for medicinal

spk_0:   2:12:21
use. Decriminalizing it, they do criminalising them. And in a few cities, eso so far believe Oakland and Denver And I believe another one ready Colorado, Colorado, right. And so, in our in our in our lifetime, so side been will become legal 100%. This is what happened with mushrooms are cannabis. It'll take 10 20 years and then one more. The older people were going to be like, Yeah, fuck you guys were make your mushrooms legal, just like they're in Holland. They should be 25 years old. Should be the bucking a. These things

spk_1:   2:12:55
also I also want to stress And what you think you're trying to say is and less you are you have last have respect for it and only and not abuse it because this is a real it's a real spiritual tools. I go into it excited if if I'm going to do it, because I know that I'm going to have access to a part of me that I don't always have access to On a day to day basis

spk_0:   2:13:15
shirt and on the day to day basis on a day today basis on your first time, you should have someone like a shaman. Or hopefully one day therapist will do this like they did back in the sixties and believes the sixties. I don't know about before that, but with LSD. And I believe that a therapist, well, then have the license to take these individuals through this transformer understands, right? And then d m t. That is a whole nother level of any clues image, and I've I've ever done. Um, I don't even know if I'll do it again, right? I might. I might. That's crazy, right? Like how many people do a drug or alcohol or were I've never gonna do that again, right? One friend. It's

spk_1:   2:13:59
totally non addictive in that way.

spk_0:   2:14:00
No, I mean the whole fucking you do a good dose of mushrooms and it's not either. It's not like you wanna trip Biles every single day. Um, some idiots do, but whatever most people don't, most people don't. Um So it's like it's

spk_1:   2:14:15
a journey, though, by the way, using or that he didn't have to do it with people that you don't mind going on a long journey with? No,

spk_0:   2:14:21
because you trust and that you're in a comfortable place. And until those legally legalization lost, there are places in Los Angeles, Colorado, Florida, New York of shamans. Take you through this experience, I Alaska, uh, and hell, yeah. People fly down organized trips to South America, Teoh. But you don't need to do that anymore because shamans popping up, which is beautiful. This is what happened

spk_1:   2:14:49
with the Canada has got to go into the

spk_0:   2:14:50
same shit. They didn't good my view. Cannabis clubs popped up. There's medical. They didn't fuck with them when all these other ones did. They fucked with them, right? A few of these places that, like shamans that take you through, deem no, they don't get fucking busted. And at least not that anything I've read write, um, and on legalization of still a silent comes It's like as a society. That's why when I was, um you know Terence McKenna's book that I was talking about earlier, Uh, that part, it just It makes so much sense to me as an individual. Um, whatever anyone else thinks, you know, that's what you believe. That's a beautiful thing about living. At least in the USA is that we can believe him pretty much whatever the fuck we want. Right. Uh, that that is that is a That is a real blessing. Um, you know, some people have a harder some people less hard, but it is. It is a true blessing that we can have these thoughts and beliefs. Regardless. I believe in simulation. You believe, Christiana, you believe in Judaism, but a bucket is, and hopefully we can all come together. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Um, dude, A This fucking podcast has been insane. I saying

spk_1:   2:16:05
I've enjoyed it. I mean, yeah, well, this is what we do. We get together. Yeah, and we just talked non stop. And somehow we end up in some destination. That was totally different than when we started. Yes, but you see, this is like I hate small talk personally,

spk_0:   2:16:21
I hate small time. Yeah. Oh, my God! N f and f the rats. Why I listen to fucking podcast, man, Because I hit small talk. I want to really listen. All these damn books. 37 books last year, 67 where you did

spk_1:   2:16:35
this is just the These are everything that was talked about are important, significant conversations that, like need to be talked out with other people So you could help your understanding of absolute because it's it's Socratic Dialogue is what it is I've been reading into Greek philosophy. This is why I keep bringing it up. But it's like that is how you learn. You learn through dialogue, you learn through interaction with the world, right, like you have. You can bounce things around in your mind as much as you want, but it it becomes refined through throwing it out into the world and having the world engage with. That's what the dialogue is

spk_0:   2:17:10
looking for. You know, it's crazy is like I remember when I was younger, I would see my dad have these fucking like 34 hour cover 234 hour conversation about so many different topics. What the fuck is this guy doing your like like, seriously, like it didn't make sense to me. I mean, sometimes my friends would come over at older friends and, uh, I wouldn't be home and my dad would sit down and they would sit down to my friends were here, he would talk about life, war, and there would be interested. I didn't want anything to fucking do. It was what the fuck? And it just sounds like my dad to shout out to my pops because, uh, this ability to speak on many different conversations adjourn and thirst for knowledge in life and different cultures in different people in different lives. I mean, it's a beautiful fucking thing. And I think that's why we're able to have this country. So it's like, um, man, it's just really breaking gold's yet, And I know And I know your dad. I've never met your pops, but I'm sure there's something similar that for sure, because way are sponges when we're young and we try to push, push, push, push bush but eventually comes back and it's fucking cool to

spk_1:   2:18:25
see. It's really interesting engaging with kids to as an adult like yes, you know, it's like, totally relate now, too, your dad or my dad when I would do that because, you know, like I a sweet talked about on the other party last podcast. I teach a bunch of music lessons and a lot of my streams Air Kids. And it's just it is really interesting, um, being like coming into contact with kids like that on a regular weekly basis. And I also have old older students in their seventies. So it's really interesting, like experiencing the range of ages on a regular basis like that, cause yeah, I mean, sure, objectively, I know more than a kid like I have much knowledge that's been put into my head, but, you know, in terms of the perspective, in terms of the subjective truth, is really interesting. To get that that kind of reality check from a kid like that reminds you of kind of what it was like to be a kid. And it's crazy. It's crazy. This is the kids are are us. Before we had all these codified, subjective filters, us with less boundaries. Yeah, just like that. They haven't unfettered consciousness that they just say exactly what The truth is, that's why the kid is the one that points out that the emperor has

spk_0:   2:19:26
you use. Do you have any, Like, younger kids you can have, like, full on conversations about, like, all of these different things,

spk_1:   2:19:32
Not ideas. Different dude. My younger sister, Tatum. Right. Um, shout out to take him out.

spk_0:   2:19:41
She's young, and so she told. Whatever do she's 16 years old? Yeah. And my frickin brother Michael. He's like, 27 28. But both of them, right on their actually. My wives, uh, wives. My wife's I was confused. Sorry. Uh, my wife's brother Sister. But we've been together for 17. We all call each other brother, and, um and they are truly, truly fucking are, but both of them. But she's 16. I can have conversations with her about 50. Just life, politics, geopolitics. Fucking What's going on here? They're, um, religion, sex. It's fucking crazy because I never was like that when I was younger. I fought against it. That's why I want to ask you guys, because it's it's incredible. So you know to have this, though, because not everyone, um, once it, you know, talk about the things that we talk about anything that we do. Um, But when we're surrounded with things and it's even like that other saying in when you're growing up, you'll be like the five closest people in your life, right? So when you hear that sponge these things, right, But we look back at these times as an adult now, Ah, and and appreciate it. What the fuck is that? Because when I was younger, it's had fucking hated it. When I was younger, younger, I didn't make sense and I would rebel, and I didn't want to listen to rules. And I think every cake goes through that. But then as you get older, and if your parents were decent good people, unfortunately, some aren't. Uh, you can look back at your young years, my fucking crazy. Yeah, that's fucking crazy. So then be able to talk to my younger sister who is able to talk about these. Everything's I'm like, I'm really, really impressed by her. Um, and she, uh, she she's got a lot of a lot of good stuff going for her and her future. That was really cool on when we first started this podcast, I had no idea without the ship was gonna go.

spk_1:   2:21:45
What do we start with? Started with the Corona virus. Didn't just start with the first or the second time. It was eventually introduced. Yeah, at some point,

spk_0:   2:21:56
it was recording the whole time. But there's just like a 10 minute break. I

spk_1:   2:22:01
don't even know. I know. I know. Would be fun to go back

spk_0:   2:22:03
with. You will shut out. Too busy if you guys need some love,

spk_1:   2:22:12
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spk_0:   2:22:38
I heard were just so crazy. I don't care you off, bro. But when I frickin when I first met you and we decided to do it, I told you exactly what I wanted And you gave me exactly what I asked What's so weird? Because, like so many of the artists worked with my dad Never, Never has it from from you know, artists like that on pen and paper. Whatever team music, right? This was spot on.

spk_1:   2:23:00
That connection seems divine. I just want to say what do one of the odds of the later that dude

spk_0:   2:23:06
stories like that You are literally the genius behind freakin back to your story. Like I just I appreciate that. Yeah, I promise you. I appreciate you, um if you guys Yes, if you guys need any of that stuff definitely changed. I'll put the his information. You have a website,

spk_1:   2:23:22
Stephen busy dot com Stephen. Or if you're finding this through instagram I'm probably tagged in the instagram post. Hit me up on instagram Hit me up on my website. Facebook, Twitter, whatever. Don't do Twitter do instagram

spk_0:   2:23:34
Ah, just him up and instigate me up or his website. I'll put his number in here to ladies. Todo What about you, handsome?

spk_1:   2:23:42
Yeah, won't. All right, Well, listen, I'm in finance. I do lending. I give I give business and financial advice. So, uh, specifically, if you want information about you know, your mortgage or what is a good financial move buying a house, yes or no? All that stuff or just want to shoot the shit. Yeah, Yeah, Just find me on Instagram, the last rounder on also on Facebook. Facebook Alexander, William Shaheen. Find me on there and Yeah, and I can vouch for that cause you're the guy that got me my mortgage. One gangster, your next, your next. Over here.

spk_0:   2:24:18
Yes, Bob. My mom. Why were rumors that we're doing good? Well, Nagase, this current various things, I continue. Please.

spk_1:   2:24:28
No, that's all this. And I love educating. I love talking about finance about everything. So just, you know, reach out to me as if you want just some advice or whatever.

spk_0:   2:24:36
He's a guys and ladies and gentlemen and boys and whoever the fuck listening, um, use an amazing human being, take care of you, hook you up, but in the right way and educate you, which I think is so important because we live in this life and finance and this and that, but rubble of a block. But education is lacked in a lot of that thing. A lot of that thing, a lot of that stuff, And so it's hard for people understand, And with you even doing like that one minute video, and I know you're going to doom or it's really important, even if you did 10 15 minute podcasts on it. Dude, like, I think that education and finances is key. And, um, And when I get my house, I You're exactly the person that I'm going to. Um, if you guys need music, you know, the market jokes, But both of these guys, I appreciate the fuck out of you guys for coming on, uh, shooting shit, talking about life, love the pursuit of happiness. Like founding forefathers. Um, alright, guys,

spk_1:   2:25:36
it was always likewise a pleasure. Absolutely. You can't wait to do this again.

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