On the Dock with Chef Patrick Mulvaney and his Mental Health Mission

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Here's another one.

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Knives down, aprons off.

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The last table is served.

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The station is broken down.

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Everything's put away.

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Your inventory is complete.

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And now it's time to meet me on the back dock where all the most

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important meetings are held.

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We shall take a deep breath and enjoy a job.

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Well done at ease.

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Kick off your clouds.

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Smoke 'em if you got 'em, but a nice cold beverage.

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How about a nice tall glass of Highwire Brewing Leisure time logger?

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Oh, yes,

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chef.

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Now let's get to the good stuff.

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Mental health is a spectrum, right?

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Anxiety, nervousness, substance use.

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All the way to suicide.

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Right, right.

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The ultimate thing, people who deal in suicide, that's what

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they talk about all the time.

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And sometimes we led there.

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Right.

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Because it's it's final and it's clear to talk about.

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It's much easier to say this happened than anxiety.

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The same thing is true of substance abuse.

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And, and in the beginning we were leery because people, particularly in 12

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step programs, are pretty doctrinaire.

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Sometimes, not all, but sometimes they are there.

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But once our program got going and people started talking,

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then I was more comfortable.

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We became more comfortable in talking to them and saying,

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Hey, this is, it works, right?

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We know that for people who are in the 12 step programs that do

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it successfully, that it works.

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So let's make sure we take what we can and apply those lessons.

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So we have been talking to them.

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The most important lesson for me, From that is a friend who said to me, part

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because someone was dancing with the devil as you put it and not doing well

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and also not ready to be done with it, is he said, yep, I'll talk to them.

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It's not gonna work.

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They're not ready.

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And I said, I, and I said, well, what do you do?

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And he said, you keep trying and you should always have hope,

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but never have any expectations.

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And then that frames our whole conversation, right?

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It frames the, how are you doing, really?

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I have hope that you're gonna share that with me.

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I have hope that you're gonna let me help you if you need help.

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I have hope that I'm gonna let you help me when I need help, but

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I don't have that expectations.

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That's from our guest in this episode.

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Chef Patrick Mulvaney from Mulvaney B n L in Sacramento, California,

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talking about his experience launching.

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The I Got Your Back Project and how he had to overcome his own initial resistance

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coming up against the conventional wisdom of traditional practices for

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assessing and addressing mental health in the hospitality industry, and why that

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didn't stop him and why it shouldn't stop you, because it's okay to not be okay.

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Listen, learn model so that you can be a resource to your staff right now.

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We've come so far.

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In short, it feels like, I mean, it hasn't been a short amount of time,

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but certainly I'm thankful for Covid for a couple different reasons.

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And number one is kind of the shattering of the old business paradigm

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of which restaurants have kind of.

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Maintained, and there's lots of conversation going on now about how

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an owner operator builds into the p and l or to the business plan, their

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health and wellness of their associates.

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And there's a long way to go, but it, it's gotten some steam.

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And I'm also pretty aware that during Covid I.

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My wife does transformational coaching, and I thought at the very beginning

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like, this is gonna kill her business.

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Well, as the world slowed down and no one had anywhere to run from their

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problems, whether that be to work or you know, exercise or whatever.

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They got nowhere to go except to seek help finally.

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And you know, she's had the busiest year ever.

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And, and as you say, Alberto's probably saying the same thing.

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So I'm really grateful that there are those folks who've stepped

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up and taken the challenge.

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And so this group coaching, uh, scenario that's specific to your general area.

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Yes, that one is, that one is in Sacramento.

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But the truth is that now giving kitchen and Ben's friends and chow and not

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nine to five and just all over, right?

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And people in the community.

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When you come to mental health and say, we have a challenge, what do we do?

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What I've been most surprised at is, boom.

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How quickly everyone comes together in the beginning of.

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2020, I think it was just before the pandemic started.

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Cincinnati had two people die by suicide or I'm not sure how.

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And they friends called and said, Hey chef, what do we do?

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Right?

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You're, you're the mental health.

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What, what are we looking at?

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And I said, Cincinnati's far away, but let me connect you with.

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The guy from Ohio, the Ohio State University, who really, who literally

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wrote the book on how to deal with and talk about mental health issues with

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professors from University of Kentucky who focus on suicide, death and grieving

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with people from healthcare systems here who reached out to people there.

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Boom.

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Within 20 minutes, Hey Cincinnati, here's my pamphlet.

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Here's where it is.

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I'm an hour and a half away from you, but here are the two people

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who are best primed to speak to you and help you get going.

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Julie from University of Kentucky said, Hey, I'm 45 minutes away.

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You let me know you said a date.

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Boom, I'm there.

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Uh, everybody reached out and I said to my friends in Cincinnati who were

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overwhelmed by the outpouring, right?

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And I said, this is real.

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Right?

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When these people say they're going to do something, know that

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they're going to follow up and.

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As hard as it is for the two to, to navigate the loss of,

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of these two chefs realize that they've given you a gift, right?

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And that gift is that everyone sees how affected you are, and that

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opens the opportunity for you to begin this conversation in your

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community and make a better tomorrow.

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So I can tell you that in Sacramento, because of Noah and,

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and that conversation opening, That there's less, there's less death.

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Right.

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I can tell you that there's more people not dancing with the devil, right.

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And, and saying, this is a problem and let's face it.

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And not being shunned, but being supported clearly.

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We're gonna

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have some more conversations offline so I can get a list of links

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and, and put 'em in the show notes so that people find this episode are

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gonna be able to be inundated with.

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You know, opportunity.

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Uh, the, the other thing I just wanted to kind of highlight is one

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of the benefits that this retirement community offered their associates was

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an anonymous counseling SI situation.

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So there's a little pamphlet phone number.

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Anybody in crisis could call this number and make an appointment,

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and HR would get a bill.

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With no name on it.

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And I walked around with those pamphlets in my back pocket all the time, um, as

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a way of offering a resource that didn't necess I had never seen in any other

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food service operation that I had seen.

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And I thought, wow, this is great.

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And what I also discovered is that if, if it has to come from HR or

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you know, Associate services office, most employees don't trust that.

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They don't trust that their anonymity is gonna be respected or anything like that.

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So to be able to have it from a peer and this other idea of bringing

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up a conversation or offering a conversation, as you know, you're

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pulling mats and doing the floors.

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Something that's kind of autonomic and we've done it so many times

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that we don't ever think about.

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I think also opens up a huge opportunity for really.

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Truly vulnerable conversations, but if we leave it to somebody

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else, it's never gonna happen.

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And I've always felt I can't expect anyone else to be transparent and

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vulnerable with me if I'm not willing to

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do that first.

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And here's the cool piece, right for us is, is yes, it's helped us in the

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restaurant, but interesting for me.

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So when we started, People in the community said, oh great, you're,

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you're gonna be offering mental health resources to all your clients.

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I'm like, fuck no.

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This is for us, right?

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This is, this is about us, right?

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I'm not coming to your table and saying, great Cabernet steak

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and little counseling session.

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Okay, let's go.

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But what happened was the community saw us talking about it and restaurants.

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If we, we are community centers and in many ways we're leaders,

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even if we don't think about it.

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And so what happened is, The nurses, the policemen, the firemen,

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school teachers started to come to us to say, what are you doing?

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Say, this is it.

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We're creating a space where it's okay not to be.

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Okay.

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And this is our outline.

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And in some ways, right, because maybe I have the chip on my shoulder that

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a lot of us do is that restaurant work is sometimes seen as less

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than, is that it became safe, right?

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Oh, if they can do it, everyone can do it.

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Because we, the great, for me, the great gift of being in our world

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is that we accept all comers.

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Don't care what you look like.

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Don't care where you're from, don't care what your language is, can you do the job?

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Right?

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Boom.

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And so starting for us, the box that my wife made was faces with colors, right?

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And when we got into.

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Uh, what she calls propeller heads, right?

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Talking about it.

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Then all of a sudden there was suicidal ideation and perambulation on a

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box, and she's like, I'm dyslexic.

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And 50% of the people that work at the restaurant are 40%, don't have

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English as a, as a first language.

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10% of my workers don't have English or Spanish as a first language

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cuz they're from the mountains in.

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So let's keep the face.

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So for me, what we've created, and I got your back, does, is effective for

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hospitality but effective for everyone.

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Right.

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And it's cool, right?

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Because as we've cha we know, right?

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That, that.

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The, the face of food has changed.

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Our being in relationship with food in 2020 is much different

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than it was in 1985, right?

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And everybody wants to be like us.

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And so here's an opportunity for us as an industry to say, you wanna be like us?

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Okay.

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Let's really talk.

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Can you explain to

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me what it means by being in the weeds?

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Everything's fucked up.

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Falling apart, right in the kitchen, right when, when you're just way behind and you

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don't know how to get out of it, right?

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When you're in that spiral, we know that sometimes.

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On the line on a busy night, then you have to say, all right,

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everybody, five minutes, stop.

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Take everything off the stove, get some soapy water.

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Clean off your deck.

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Organize all your shit waiters.

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Get away from me, right?

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We need five minutes to get going.

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All right, everybody good?

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You got a water, you got a soda ready?

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Go back in.

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Right?

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And so it's that idea that you're in the weeds, that you don't know

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how to solve your problem, but you know that things are wrong.

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So it's that.

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It's that stopping, right?

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It's that space between the comma and really that offers you

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the opportunity to say reset.

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Okay.

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Now I can see, now I can move forward.

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I, I want to thank you for that because I can't tell you, uh,

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you know how many general managers or dining room managers would freak the

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fuck out when I would just, that's it.

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I don't give a shit what's happening with the machine.

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We're taking five, we're gonna regroup because we can't, like, if there's not

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a pattern interrupt, then it just goes into pure unadulterated chaos and you

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end up walking out of the door with your head hung so low that you know,

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anything sounds reasonable at that point.

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And, uh, a couple of the other things that I wanted to point out was, so since

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discovering the Burn Chef project, I've gone back to look at kind of their swag

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and all their kind of stuff, and they have two little posters, uh, that they

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sell and one is supposed to go right.

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By the, um, time clock and it's kind of a checkout, you know, it's

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kind of the checking out checklist.

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Um, and it goes all the way down.

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Um, you know, think of one good thing that happened today.

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Uh, I think of two things that you could have done differently today.

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And then the very last one is now think about home.

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And go out the door.

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And that pattern interrupts to me something so powerful to be able to just,

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just take a breath, because so much of our lives in the kitchen is like bang,

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bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

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And there's rarely time for us to gather our thoughts or our

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emotions.

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You know, we just started using a scheduling platform called

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Seven Shifts, and at the end it, it has a How was your night?

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Prompt that comes up after you've clocked out, but it comes up a half an hour

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after you've clocked out so that you have time to sit and think, and you're saying

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things, you're being able to talk about things that you've had some time to look

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at it and give it a little perspective.

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And then we've been using, and as they come in when there's

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a feature for Covid, right?

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Are you well and healthy?

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And we're.

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We're looking at changing that.

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So instead of having the box to have, it's not there yet, but instead of

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having the box right now to say, are you happy, neutral, angry, or in the weeds,

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so that we can take the temperature with the hope that someday the screen

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you'll punch in, boom time clock starts, the four colors and the faces come up.

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You choose one.

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Boom, it collates.

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And the end of the night when you're getting your, when you get your

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prompt to say, how was your night?

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You'll also get something to say, here's the temperature of the

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restaurant to let you know if there were things going badly or well.

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Right.

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How that, how that was influenced by how the people, how your

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coworkers and you were doing as you went through the evening.

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And I can only imagine how powerful that must be.

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Just so from the standpoint of knowing that you're not

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alone.

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Yep.

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And knowing that you're not alone, but that you don't have to, you

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don't have to talk about it publicly.

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Right.

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I mean you to have to have that number on your phone.

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You know what?

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You can slip out into the alley and go around the corner.

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You can do it at home when you're in your bedroom.

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You can look now on your phone and say, Hey, I wasn't the

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only one in the weeds tonight.

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And then I wonder who else it was, right?

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And, and what was I doing to make it better?

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Or if you're someone who says, God, you know what the, the saute guy suck tonight.

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Or, why wasn't my busboy here?

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Or How come that server didn't do well?

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When you look at the thing and say, okay, three people in the weeds, you

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know, maybe it was those three people.

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So if you look at that page and say, maybe there's three people

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in the weeds, and maybe those are the people that I'm thinking of.

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And it reminds us, just like you said in the beginning, it reminds

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us what this time has shown us and that is how important it is

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for us to give each other grace.

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I was speaking to somebody else and their relationship expert

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talking about the masculine of feminine.

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And I asked her about, you know, L G B T Q and non-binary, um, and she erred

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on the, uh, erred on the side of being endlessly curious, curious enough to

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get out of your head and into your heart to actually ask somebody, Hey,

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well, what pronouns do you like to use?

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How would you like to refer to yourself?

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Are you internally motivated or externally motivated?

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And.

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As I'm having this conversation, I, I have this deep sense of, uh, I guess the

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only way I could say it, it's like shame and regret that for most of my career,

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I never thought to ask those questions when I know for a fact those are the only

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questions that I ever wanted to be asked.

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You know?

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So it's this kind of reckoning.

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I mean, you and I, by just the color of our beards.

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It must be of similar ages.

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And, uh, to me, there's nothing in your approach or your demeanor during this

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interview that says to me that you're, you're hindered by any of that shit.

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You know, mean you're not hindered about the could'ves or should'ves or

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would've, but you're just, you just want to act now for the benefit of everybody.

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Would that

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be correct?

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Yeah, well I've danced with the devil and we're trying not to, uh, now, but when, so

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we started right that I got your back took it's form now from a conference of 150.

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C-Suite health leaders who came to our city for a conference, and my friend

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:08

at Noah's funeral, when I told him what was going on, he said, that's it.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:13

You are the fucking problem.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:14

I said, what he said, I told them when they come that I want them to leave a

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:18

scar on the city and the scar they're gonna leave is improved mental health.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:22

And so they worked diligently and they built the outline.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:25

It was great in three days, the first day when I gave the speech to tell everyone

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:29

what was going on, a woman stands up and says, My nephew just died by suicide and,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:36

or, you know, she said he killed himself.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:38

We say died by suicide.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:40

And she said, should I have asked him if he was gonna hurt himself?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:44

And I said, no.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:45

No, because what you should have said is, are you contemplating suicide?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:49

Do you have a plan?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:50

And do you have means you'd feel the air go out of the room

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:54

and then you explain to them?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:56

If you think that person is thinking about it, believe me, they've

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:17:59

already thought about it, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:00

It's not an option for me, but, but for sure they've already thought about

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:04

it and this is what you should do.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:05

So when people are challenged, it is difficult and hard.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:10

And this is another thing you should practice asking people.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:12

Are you thinking about suicide?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:15

So that when the day comes that you need to, that you're ready and able to do it.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:19

That night at dinner, the woman who helped me organize the conference

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:22

has faced her own mental challenges.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:24

Nikki lets me tell the story, and that woman was sitting next to Nikki

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:29

and she was talking about some stuff and the woman turned to her and

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:32

said, are you thinking about suicide?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:35

And Nikki burst into tears and.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:39

Sterman wrong, and the woman said, I'm so sorry, but that's what

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:43

chef said, that that's what I should say, and this is no good.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:45

And I, and everybody's poo-pooing.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:47

And Nikki calmed down to her and she said, he's right.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:52

That's what you're supposed to say.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:54

I've been to, taken to the hospital three times because of attempting to

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:18:58

take my own life, and no one's ever asked that question and it would've

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:19:02

helped asking the questions important.

Adam Lamb: 00:19:07

Everybody's acting like this pandemic is over and it ain't.

Adam Lamb: 00:19:10

Um, and one of the things that my staff were struggling with is grief

Adam Lamb: 00:19:16

and sorrow, because it's not like a.

Adam Lamb: 00:19:20

Uh, natural disaster, like a hurricane comes through and you can pick up all

Adam Lamb: 00:19:23

the pieces and rebuild your house, or a war that ends on a specific day and

Adam Lamb: 00:19:27

everybody buries dead, but it just keeps going on and on and on and on and on.

Adam Lamb: 00:19:31

So if there's anybody in the audience that thinks that the need for mental health

Adam Lamb: 00:19:35

awareness is going to like dry up anytime soon, and so chef these, and again,

Adam Lamb: 00:19:44

it's as simple as a goddamn shoebox.

Adam Lamb: 00:19:47

Right.

Adam Lamb: 00:19:48

It doesn't take very much, but just us wanting to try to make a difference in one

Adam Lamb: 00:19:53

way and you've, you've clocked with, with the help of some amazing people, you know,

Adam Lamb: 00:19:59

what's the best way to go about this?

Adam Lamb: 00:20:02

But, you know, talk to the restaurateur or the chef who's, who's already got

Adam Lamb: 00:20:07

two people who's called out because they're not mentally fit for the day.

Adam Lamb: 00:20:11

How's he supposed to get through his day

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:13

as best you can?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:14

You know, so the.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:16

Boy, boy, it's hard.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:17

And at first blush you think so, everyone's just gonna call out, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:22

Because they know they have a free pass for mental health.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:24

But what we found was less people calling out.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:29

We found the significant, the calling in hungover virtually

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:35

disappeared because people saw when.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:39

Adam takes the days off because he's having challenges and having a tough time.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:44

They saw that everyone else had to pick up the slack while you were gone,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:48

and so then the idea of calling in cuz you drank too much last night or

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:52

did something else goes away, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:55

Nope.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:55

I, I gotta go to work and even better, I gotta not do what I

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:20:59

was doing so that I'm ready.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:01

So each, everybody took more responsibility.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:04

It also gives us, as chefs and restaurateurs, this opportunity, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:08

So how many times in my career has there been someone who just wasn't

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:13

doing well, wasn't doing well, wasn't doing well, get out right,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:17

and never had that conversation.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:18

Now I can have, I have conversations to say, Hey, you know what,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:24

you're not performing up to snuff.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:26

And it's a challenge.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:27

I'm thinking it's.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:28

It might be some other stuff.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:29

Do you wanna talk about it?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:30

Because we have resources and we can get you help.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:33

Right now you're here.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:34

I need you to be here.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:36

Not today, not tomorrow, but we gotta work towards it, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:40

And, and I'm in.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:42

I'm here to help you, but you gotta wanna help yourself.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:46

And so then for those that take it, God bless 'em, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:50

We've had people who, you know, light turns on and all of a

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:53

sudden they're doing well.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:55

But for those who aren't, then we're able to say, Hey, this is

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:21:59

what we've talked about, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:00

And, and you're not getting better and, and I'm sorry.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:03

I can't help you anymore.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:04

So it gives us a little more freedom, uh, to move forward.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:09

And then the other thing is when people call in, so with the pandemic

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:13

when we thought it was over, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:15

We have, we have 160 feet of sidewalk in front of the restaurant

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:19

and were allowed to sit outside.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:21

So we had plenty of room.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:24

We hadn't made money in 17 months, but also our spirit is welcome, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:29

First word you hear when you come in, and the feeling we hope that you leave with.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:33

And so we wanted all comers and everyone was ready to come back

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:36

out and we were too busy, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:39

We ran everyone too hard and we started to burn them out.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:44

At one point we had a scare, the busboy who, uh, we thought was positive.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:49

Turns out he wasn't, but the direction from the health department

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:52

was anyone who's not vaccinated needs to go away for 10 days.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:56

And we had a brutal weekend.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:58

Right.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:22:58

Because we lost, we, we had, we didn't have people on the floor and we still

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:04

had the same amount of reservations.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:06

Right.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:06

We didn't occur to me to on Thursday to say, you can't come in Friday, Saturday.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:12

And on that Monday, when Tuesday, when we gathered as a leadership team, again,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:18

we just said, that's not acceptable.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:22

We're gonna limit everything.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:23

We're just gonna say who's working.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:26

That's how many resources, that's how many people we're gonna have come in this

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:30

evening and started for us the first time in 15 years to say to people, we can't

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:36

provide you the service that we want.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:39

Uh, can you come back next week?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:41

Right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:42

And to just to say, right, hey, this is, this is what we can do, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:47

Same thing.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:48

Mental health.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:49

What can you do?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:50

Where are you at?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:51

So now we're saying the same thing to our whole staff.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:54

It's, it's a hard, but it's a hard adjustment, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:56

Because the pandemic's not over.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:58

Everything's changing.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:23:59

Mask, no mask inside, outside.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:02

And really just being burnt out.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:04

Right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:04

I mean, it's, it's hard, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:06

Ev everybody's pretty thin, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:08

We're closing down for 10 days in a couple of weeks just because I can see

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:14

in the eyes of our team that there's not a lot of gas left in the tank.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:18

Right?

Adam Lamb: 00:24:19

And so what will you do for those 10 days?

Adam Lamb: 00:24:21

Just let everybody relax

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:22

and everybody Yeah.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:24

Everybody's at, at first I was nervous, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:27

That some people would say, I, I can't not work for 10 days.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:30

I.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:31

Told him I'd leave a, a bucket of paint and some, uh, brushes

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:34

and, and masking tape in that.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:37

Yeah.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:38

Um, if you need hours, but almost to a person, everyone has said Thank you.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:44

This is great.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:45

I'm going to visit these wineries.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:47

I'm going up into the Sierras.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:49

I'm going to visit family in Colorado.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:51

I'm going to the beach.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:52

I'm not doing anything.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:54

I'm staying at home with my kids.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:55

Right.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:56

I'm gonna spend 10 days.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:24:58

Playing softball and pushing 'em on a swing and doing all the things

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:03

that we don't get to do, uh, in the regular course of our days.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:07

That's great,

Adam Lamb: 00:25:08

man.

Adam Lamb: 00:25:08

I mean, it's almost like the European model where, you know, in most

Adam Lamb: 00:25:11

countries, you know, whole shops are closed the entire month of August or

Adam Lamb: 00:25:16

whatever because everybody's Okay.

Adam Lamb: 00:25:17

Time for everybody to live their lives

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:19

now.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:20

And we've talked about it too, at other, other folks.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:22

You know, that, that, that leadership ring of restaurateurs in Sacramento,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:27

We've talked about it and said, we really need to do this every year.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:32

We close at, for us, at Christmas every year we, we try and give,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:37

we try to give everyone a week.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:39

We always give everyone five days where the restaurant is

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:42

closed and no one comes in.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:44

And, and I think the value of doing that during the summer,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:48

uh, it's become apparent, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:50

That, that we should be doing that twice a year at minimum.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:53

Right.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:25:54

To give everyone that breathing space.

Adam Lamb: 00:25:56

Well, yeah.

Adam Lamb: 00:25:56

I mean, I used to be a huge proponent of telling everybody, okay, it's

Adam Lamb: 00:25:59

just, it's not one vacation a year.

Adam Lamb: 00:26:00

You, you need to, you know, every six months you need to break because how

Adam Lamb: 00:26:04

else can anybody refill their cup?

Adam Lamb: 00:26:07

And, and we're so good at, uh, you know, giving of our cups, you know, all,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:12

and how do you take care?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:13

How do you take care of other people when you're not taking care of yourself?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:18

Right.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:18

For us, that was the real driver, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:20

That we are always.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:22

Is your drink cold?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:23

Is your coffee hot?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:24

You know, how are you?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:25

How are you?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:25

How are you?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:26

But never looking at ourselves, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:28

So when people said, are you gonna give mental health to the community?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:31

I said, no.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:32

The first time, we are gonna take our superpower, which is hospitality, and turn

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:39

it on ourselves and make ourselves better.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:41

And then through making ourselves better, we're gonna be better able to serve you.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:46

Chef, what have

Adam Lamb: 00:26:46

you been able to do for yourself to refill your cup

Adam Lamb: 00:26:50

throughout this entire thing?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:51

Well, I, I like to travel and eat and drink in other

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:54

people's restaurants, so that's pretty much been, uh, taken away and people

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:26:59

asked, right, what are you doing?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:00

What are you doing?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:02

And I, you say nothing, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:04

And think about it, right When you're a cook, you know, those

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:06

early years and I was on the line, that was my moment of zen, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:10

So for 30 or 40 hours a week, I was on the line, burning my hands, yelling

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:14

at people, throwing pans and pots, and all the pain went away, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:18

That was great.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:20

So during the pandemic, uh, it turns out in hindsight, right, without

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:24

realizing it, that what I did was learn.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:27

You know, we started the week after the shutdown.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:32

Making 400 meals a day, 800 meals the second week, and,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:36

uh, just continued feeding.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:38

So for us in California, there's a program called Great

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:41

Plates delivered in Sacramento.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:43

We fed usually between 1100 and 1300, uh, seniors, three

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:49

meals a day, five days a week.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:51

Throughout the pandemic, we were delivering meals,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:54

meal kits to school sites.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:56

You know when you go to the school sites where there'd be 1700 cars

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:27:59

lined up and we had dinner, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:01

Dinner for four, and we figured out how to reimburse them.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:04

We figured out how to get them there.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:05

We figured out how to do transportation with the seniors, not

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:09

by myself, and lots of restaurants.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:11

40 restaurants were kept afloat by the great place delivered

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:14

program in Sacramento, and much help from our city fathers and.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:19

The state, the governor's office has been just tremendous.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:22

In fact, the program across the state has delivered 25 million

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:26

meals to seniors in California.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:28

And so for me, what what I did for myself without knowing it was study, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:34

I wasn't a very good student when I was in college, but it turns out

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:37

that how I got through it and how I kept the, the drunken monkey in my

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:43

head at bay was by learning, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:48

Who, who would've thought that I would be, that I would know how to advocate

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:52

for public funding, that I would know how to, you know, in a pandemic,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:28:56

say, how do we make 800 meals when we're not supposed to be together?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:00

Okay, three shifts, right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:02

You two are coming in and cooking.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:03

You two are gonna come in after they leave and package.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:06

You two are gonna come the next day, put it in bags and get it ready to go.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:10

Right?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:10

We're gonna put it outside and people are gonna pick it up.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:12

And who do we talk to?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:14

How does it work?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:15

How do we get other restaurants involved?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:17

Right.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:17

And some restaurants were, you know, in the beginning, the first three

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:21

weeks we didn't have any money.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:22

Right.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:23

And we just said, how's this gonna work?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:26

First week I called the food bank to say, dude, I the head of the food bank

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:30

to say I need 800 pieces of fruit.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:32

Yeah, no problem.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:33

I went down and Blake, who's the head of the food bank, said, you

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:36

know, I have 230 contracts with other feeding organizations.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:40

I can't do this all the time for you.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:42

I said, I'm just afraid I don't have any money and I don't

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:45

know where this is coming.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:46

This is a one-off.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:47

Thank you very much.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:48

And the next week he called and said, do you want some beef?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:52

Sure.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:53

I thought you had 200 people.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:54

Those guys don't want it.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:55

We have grade A beef for you.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:57

Sure.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:29:57

How much a tractor trailer.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:00

Like, do I have to take it all at once?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:02

Nope.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:03

And so for a month or so, Luis would go every other day and fill the van

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:08

up with 1500 pounds of, uh, in and out patties and bring them back.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:13

And we'd call the boys and girls and people would come and take

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:15

them and use 'em for the feeding.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:17

The lamb people gave us 4,300 pounds of lamb vindaloo.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:21

The tomato processing people gave us probably eight to 12

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:25

full pallets of tomato product.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:27

Our friend that grows Rice Bosworth calls me and says, I left a ton of

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:33

rice for you at Produce Express, or.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:35

Distribution company.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:36

And I said, oh, that's great.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:37

What?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:38

Like two or 300 pounds?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:39

He said, no, I left a fucking ton of rice.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:42

And when that's done, I have another fucking ton of rice for you.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:45

So again, for months people, whoever was doing feeding, when you called in

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:49

your produce express order, you would say, and I can use a bag of family meal,

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:54

Sacramento Rice, and it would come to you for the outpouring of generosity

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:30:59

and, and that community spirit and the let's work together because we are.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:31:04

We are FD and how do we get out of this?

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:31:07

We get out of this together.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:31:08

That really helped me make it through the last year and a half.

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Consider for a second for all the blood, sweat, and tears we put into what we do.

Adam Lamb: 00:32:08

It really at the end of the day, just some stuff on a plate.

Adam Lamb: 00:32:11

None of it really matters.

Adam Lamb: 00:32:12

It doesn't define you as a person or make you any more

Adam Lamb: 00:32:15

special or less than anyone else.

Adam Lamb: 00:32:18

It's just a dance that we're engaged in.

Adam Lamb: 00:32:19

So we might as well laugh and enjoy every bit of it.

Adam Lamb: 00:32:22

Or didn't you know that the purpose of your life.

Adam Lamb: 00:32:24

It should be to enjoy it.

Adam Lamb: 00:32:26

Like it

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:32:27

half.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:32:27

I love it.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:32:29

I'm humble.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:32:30

God damn, Corey Fox.

Patrick Mulvaney: 00:32:31

I don't live

Adam Lamb: 00:32:32

on now.

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Stand tall and frosty brothers and sisters.

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Until next time, be well and do good.

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In case you

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didn't realize it.

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We just got our asses kicked in there,

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man.

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Find us on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter.

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All the other goddamn social media sites at Chef Life Radio, all one word.

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Visit us on the website@chefliferadio.com.

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Oh yes, chef.

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This show was written, produced and recorded by me, Adam Lamb,

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at the Dish Pit Studios in Bardo, North Carolina, and co-produced

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by Thomas Stinson of pod like.com.

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On the Dock is a production of Realignment Media.