Expresso Shot 28 with Clay Bryan

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Max

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Michael knows where to start. Michael.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: my goal.

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TJ: Welcome! Do espresso shots. Today we are joined by Clay Bryan.

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TJ: who grew up in Jacksonville, Florida. He joined the Air Force in 2,005, and spent 7 plus years in Washington, DC. Working for the Intelligence community in various capacities.

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TJ: In 2013 he moved to San Angelo, Texas. Welcome again.

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TJ: where he was first introduced to higher education. Administration clay is a proud husband and father of one, unless that's changed since this was written. He met his wife Kate in 2,014, and married in 2,015, and promptly left the Air Force.

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TJ: he completed his Bachelor's Degree at Texas, A. And M. University commerce, after receiving 3 Associates degree in Applied science, technology and military science, applied science, intelligence studies and technology and science psychology. I'm sorry a butcher these things.

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TJ: In 2,017 he had the opportunity to attend the bush goals event with Ambassador John Negroponte.

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TJ: former Director of National Intelligence. After this he joined the Bush School.

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TJ: He had what he says is the opposite bush school experience, not pursuing public service because of the Bush School, rather, pursued the Bush school because of public service.

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TJ: Also, a Sidebar clay has no relation to William Joel Bryan, Brian, Texas namesake. He's checked

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TJ: welcome.

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CBC: Thank you.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Yeah. You definitely made that sound a hell of a lot better than how I wrote it.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Well, he gave me. He gave bullets, and I was like, and you copy and pasted the bullets, and didn't even make him sentences.

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TJ: No, it's it's

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TJ: It's great. It's I have questions about the 3 associates degrees.

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TJ: I mean, cause I feel like they're kind of all related.

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TJ: as far as like what you could do with them. But why psychology?

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CBC: So

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CBC: 3 associates degrees is what happens when you keep changing your major, and you can't decide what you want to actually do so I hit it up with a massive amount of psychology. Electives. And

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CBC: one of the advisors said, You know what? Why don't we just give you a degree for it. I said. Fair enough.

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TJ: alright, I mean. But you you enjoyed it right.

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CBC: I enjoyed some of them. But no, it was interesting

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TJ: and on very cool. Okay, so what is your official position within the bush school?

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CBC: So I'm a senior administrative coordinator. I'm in the Dean's office, and I divide my time

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CBC: between Dr. Taylor Robinson, who is our new associate, Dean for research and graduate education.

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CBC: and Dr. Chandley, who is our associate Dean for undergraduate programs. So if it's academic related, I'm probably involved.

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TJ: I was gonna say, but like, what do you actually do?

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CBC: Well, I the the short, easy answer is whatever they need me to. So right now, what we're doing is.

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CBC: we're getting undergraduate students ready for a couple of trips. They're gonna be taking later this year. They're gonna be going up to the Washington DC. Teaching site. They're gonna be touring the city as part of their first year experience at A and M. And then

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CBC: in November, Dr. Chandley is taking a group of students to Germany. And so what we're doing now is kind of getting those students ready to go. A lot of them have never been on airplanes before, never left the State of Texas. So this is, gonna be

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CBC: kind of a big event in their life, and we're just making sure they're all prepared, ready to go

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CBC: a long waiting list, and so on the academic side of things, though we're also getting a lot of new programs coming to the bush school.

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CBC: we now have undergraduates, and that's kind of shaking things up a little bit.

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CBC: They work building more things to offer them in coming years.

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TJ: Absolutely. How long have you worked here?

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CBC: 10 months.

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TJ: 10 months? I started. I started the beginning.

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CBC: It's fell longer than that, hasn't

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CBC:  I started December first last year.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Okay.

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TJ: Kevin. I'm on your one year

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CBC: almost. There. Yup.

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TJ: don't, don't quit. Don't quit yet.

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TJ: Very cool. What was the draw to the school, I mean? I know there's. you know, you say

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TJ: bush school because of public service like, did you know about the Bush school before you attended an event?

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CBC: No, not really. I knew about the library, and that was

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CBC: one of the first things I did the first time I was in college station was come to the library, and

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CBC: I think it's been 6 or 7 h over there walking around

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CBC: didn't really know much about the the school and the academic part of it.

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CBC: not at least not in the detail. I do now know that first event that I attended

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CBC: in 2,017. I knew Ambassador Negroponte was going to be there.

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CBC: and when I got the program which I have

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CBC: right here.

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CBC: So this is the program

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CBC: from that first event, and I was reading through it.

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CBC: and I noticed General Walsh's name.

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CBC: and I threw an elbow at my wife, and I said, Do you know who that is? She says I have no idea who that is

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CBC: so, anyway, that II explained the connection of being in the Air Force. Knowing who he was, and

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CBC: being a a little surprised that he was here, I did. I had no idea that he was at the Bush School, and

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CBC:  you know. made no secret of the fact that he was a large part of why I wanted to come. He's a large part of why I wanted to

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CBC: to be at the bush schooling and do anything and everything I could and

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CBC: learning about him, and then learning more about the bush school kind of just all confirmed. Yeah, this is where I want to be. This is what I want to do, and

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CBC: kept trying to get over here. Kept trying to get over here and eventually made it happen last year.

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TJ: Nice? Yeah. I mean a general. Well, she's kind of a big deal, right?

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CBC: Little bit. Yeah, absolutely.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Was he a big deal deal to you? Tj, when we found out. That's who my new boss was, gonna be.

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TJ: I didn't know who he was exactly. I didn't, either.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: I told one of my friends when I, after I found out he was, you know, part of the Air Force, because one of our friends is in the Air Force, and he's like.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: do you even know. Like all the thing I'm like, I don't know anything except for what we've Wikipedia says, and you never know if that's like actually true or not.

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TJ: Yeah. His Wiki page is pretty long.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Well in at 1 point I remember talking to Mary, and she said some of the stuff that was in there was inaccurate. And I'm like, well, so you get for allowing anyone in the world to be able to edit those things.

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TJ: Yeah.

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TJ: you know. I mean, if if he had somebody like like Taylor Swift, then I would pro would have probably known who he was sooner.

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TJ: No comparison at all, but, like the popularity of it, you know, like that people would know who he was.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: That's terrible.

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TJ: I mean.

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TJ: get a

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TJ: get people outside of the military

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TJ: to know who people are.

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TJ: but I know who he is now.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: My ruler knows who he is.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Everybody knows who he is now.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Yes, yeah.

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TJ: yeah.

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TJ: that's great. So there was a part of your bio that I edited out on what you're working on right now.

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TJ:  There was a you're you're going for a master's.

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CBC: I am. I'm well. that's been the plan now for a couple of years.

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CBC: I initially tried to start my master's program when my daughter was

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CBC: 4 months old.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: That was not a good idea. so, you know, being sleep deprived is one thing, but trying to

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CBC: achieve academic success is, while doing it is completely unreasonable. So I abandon that and

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CBC:  have been wanting to catch.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: They're always ruining your life.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Oh, no, this is not. She didn't ruin anything. We do love them. I'm just, you know. I don't like the early grey hair. Come on now.

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CBC: so I keep my hair this short, so you don't see what color it is anymore. no. So I've been wanting to. You know I've been thinking about when to get started, and

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CBC: best advice I got was. If you wait until you're ready, you'll never be so.

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CBC: The plan now is to start next spring. Getting an Mba. And

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CBC: yeah, we'll see how that goes.

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TJ: What are? What are you getting it in?

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CBC: An Mba master of business administration?

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TJ: I didn't go to college.

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TJ: Yeah.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: process of elimination, hey? Listen! Might not know what the acronyms mean, and I'm just here to represent us common folk. I'm a common folk, too. But what else would it be

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Arts Degree Studio art degree.

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TJ: Here, Linda, I would love to know what you think Mba would stand for if it wasn't that. Nope, I haven't. Connor spilled my coffee this morning. So

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Chrastecky, Sarah: yeah, no.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Why? Why are you laughing at me? It's just funny. It's funny you always wrap my arts degree into everything I do, and I will cause I think it's funny.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Yeah, well, you know, it helps sometimes.

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TJ: and I love that you never come back with. Well, at least I have a degree.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Well, I wouldn't have gotten a degree. I didn't have soccer on. My mom made me go back. So yeah.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: I hated school. That's why I don't have a master's.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: I couldn't.

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TJ: Dan, that was me, and that was the only reason I contemplated ever joining the military. I was like, well

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TJ: go to college and housing funding.

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TJ: and I was like, Hmm! They really, I'm not the kind of person have somebody like yell in my face, or

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Chrastecky, Sarah: tell me to get up early in the morning. That's not. That's not for me. Depending on the branch of military.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: I would assume. My brother's in the Coast Guard all the perks he gets with being part of the Coast Guard, I'm like, why don't people not do this more often?

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TJ: I mean the only time anybody yelled in his face was during basic after that it was like nothing. They're all just basic. My mom didn't get make it through. Basic. No giant in your family. No, she got knocked up so

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TJ: they discharged her.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: They're like, you can't finish.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: No, it was a general discharge.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Okay, I'm so sorry, clay.

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TJ: This isn't about us. This is about Craig.

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TJ: So your wife, I believe, also works for A. And M.

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CBC: She does. She's at the College of Engineering. She is the graduate director for the computer and electrical engineering department.  she's been doing that now

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CBC: 6 or 7 years. she's not an engineer. She'd be the first to tell you she's knows nothing about engineering.

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TJ: I like her.

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CBC: So her her degree background, passion, is all about

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CBC: international students who come here. They don't speak English, they So she's all about teaching them how to navigate the English language and academics.

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CBC: without any foundation in it. So

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TJ: that's fabulous. So does so YA. And M.

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CBC: See, I know you completed your bachelor's degree at A and M. Commerce

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TJ: so like. Why like why? College station?

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CBC: Well, because, Katie, to be honest, that's the short answer. She's been here now

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CBC: Katie comes from a family 3 or 4 generations of Baylor graduates, and so she came one weekend to visit a friend of hers from high school

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CBC: and that was enough to change her mind. She's like I'm all in. I drink the cool aid I bought in

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CBC: and she's been here ever since. So Katie is, you know.

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CBC: she's everything you think of when you think of an Aggie, and

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CBC: you know she's she fell in love with college station, and of course, you know, when I fell in love with her. It came with the package. And so we've been here now for 10 years. And

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CBC: yeah, we love it. We're not going anywhere.

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TJ: I'm gonna be a fly on the wall for family gatherings.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Those are fun. I can imagine.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: House divided

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CBC: well, I mean not so much. I mean.

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CBC: I get, I guess, back in O. 2, No. 3, when Baylor and A. And MK. We're still playing. It was a big deal, but unless they bring that back

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Chrastecky, Sarah: good, that's good.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: So there's a small percentage that's not civil.

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TJ: So is it fair to say that your daughter will be an Ag.

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CBC: We're really trying we are, you know. She's 2 and a half, and she's at Becky Gates and the A. And M. Affiliated child Care Center.

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CBC: Everything is Aggie thing. She was in the Century Tree class. Now she's in the Kyle Field class, and

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CBC: you know they have Yale leader. They have yelled leaders. Come, they have revelry. Com.

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CBC: Oh, yeah, they're they get em early.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: I think Michael's comment definitely is worthwhile asking again, Does Trevor ever go to class?

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TJ: So Trevor is one of our event. Managers, boyfriends, who is a yell leader

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TJ: just for context. Yeah, he's everywhere. Michaelson is a picture. The other day, I mean, I told them they've been here a lot in the last. I don't know 4 or 5 months, and I asked him one day, I was like.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: you guys are never here. Why, now, is it just because of real?

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Chrastecky, Sarah: But he couldn't give me a straight answer. Trevor, just, I guess, does everything. If anyone asks he's gonna figure out a way to make it happen. And I mean it's great, and I love that they go over there. That's a great way to start early traditions and acclimate, you know, acclimating to the university cause. Even when they were here

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Chrastecky, Sarah: meeting with the

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Chrastecky, Sarah: incoming Bush school students, I learned a lot about the Aggie traditions that I didn't even know, and not to say I would know any of them, anyway, or all of them. But it's

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Chrastecky, Sarah: it's nice to hear how everything started like where the origin of things are, and kind of how it's evolved to where it is. I think it's comical that they named the rooms. After all these places, is there one that is like the graduating class like the Pre. K. Class, gonna be Aggie Park, you know, big park. You move on.

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CBC:  no, there's like a twelfth main class. There's

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CBC:  I think there's an elephant walk class. It's just yeah all the kind of random things you think of

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Chrastecky, Sarah: that's adorable. It's cute. but it's cute. They're not gigabytes

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Chrastecky, Sarah: or resource.

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TJ: So have you drank the Kool-aid?

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CBC: Yeah, I was I was a little reluctant at first, and

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CBC: having not actually been a student here, I kind of feel like

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CBC: like I feel like by extension. I still am obviously for Katie, but I don't know if it's official. But

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CBC: maybe one day. But you know, I definitely feel like.

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CBC: Yeah, I'm I'm all in.

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TJ: Yeah. Well, I don't know if you had the same onboarding instructor as I did when I was first hired.

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TJ: and they literally tell you like this is a cult.

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TJ: You either drink the Kool-aid or you don't. you know, because of the traditions because of the culture.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: It's all good. Right. Here it is, Sarah. Sarah is a negative one percenter. So Whoa, whoa! It's like negative 50. Now, at this point I still don't say howdy I've been here since O 6, and I just I can't. I don't know.

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CBC: I mean, why is hello so hard? I actually, II wrote an email to a professor at a university in Scotland last year, and you know our standard howdy at the beginning of the email. And he wrote back to me, and he was just so excited. He's like nobody's ever said howdy to me before. This is so cool like II must have lived up to every

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CBC: I've always heard of this where nobody's ever. I've never encountered it personally. So I was able to do that for him.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: So I'm I'm sure, drinking the Kool-aid here in this town is very different from Texan commerce, like how drastic is the experience for being here in the actual like main campus area versus being at commerce.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Yeah. I guess they assume I would assume they do have their own traditions at each campus.

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CBC: I've been here 10 months, and I think it's it's I mean, it changes, it's different. There's you don't get stuck in a right. You don't get

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Chrastecky, Sarah: You may have already mentioned this, I apologize. If I ask you the same question again. Is your position like, were you the first one in this role? Is this a new position they created last year. Okay, it is, yeah. So the way I understand it.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: cause I mean not to say that they don't have expectations, and that you shouldn't meet whatever goals and incentives are trying to do, but like the fact that you have a lot of freedom.

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CBC: and I don't. I don't spend a lot of time in my office. I'm up and down the stairs 6 or 7 times a day. I'm out in the hallways, so

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Chrastecky, Sarah: yeah. We were talking about the other day because I don't remember what happened. Something happened, and we had to ask someone to leave. I don't remember what it was something last week, and, Brian I were talking is like, Yeah, I miss having a Tj. Here. She's like your go to Bouncer.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Just go find Tj. Like she'll handle it if you don't want to deal with the confrontation. She's all about it. Let her do it.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: I used it all time when I was always catching the students sleeping in the building. I'm like this is an event facility with stuff going on. This is not a program. I need you to go.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Are you working on anything exciting that you can share with us that maybe nobody knows yet, or something that you guys have. You know, some new incentives going or new programs going on.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: no, I'm with you on that. I love the creativity and building structure and the processes, and seeing all of it. And then it, you know, coming to fruition. But you know, once it happens, II wanna go back to the part of the beginning, what we're developing all of that stuff. I love those kinds of things cause there is a lot of creative freedom, and no one knows the right or wrong answer, I mean, yes, of course, there's probably, you know, rules, or whatever you have to stay in a certain bubble for, but just being able to

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Chrastecky, Sarah: touch the student body in a way that maybe they never thought of. You know, there may only be a handful of people interested in this, but eventually it's gonna grow or being able to figure out things that become like the new trends as far as the education aspect like. I would love all of that, or creating the classes, the course work that you're doing, I mean.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: No, tj, no, no, that's a hard pass for me.

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TJ: She'll be the executor. You can just be the creative, you know, behind the execution.

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TJ: Oh, is there anything you'd like to share for anyone considering the bush school, whether it's faculty staff or students.

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TJ: Well, we just recently got a student worker. Who's he who wants to go into cyber security. And so I asked him. I said, Oh, like.

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TJ: sorry did you apply to this job? So you know, you could learn more about the bush school because they have a cyber intelligence program and he didn't know, had no clue that the Bush school had anything to do with that, and I was like

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Chrastecky, Sarah: well, Marcela is interested in that stuff, too. That's why I was asking. Oh, no, I didn't know that. Yeah. So that's true. Well, that's why I was like, how do you already have this kind. I honestly forget. Zack doesn't talk to me.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: That's rude. Well, he comes in, does his job. By the time he's here. He's already busy doing events. So yeah, I don't ever see him like that's not rude. He's doing what he's supposed to be doing.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: He's a great employee. But yes, I we have this happen a lot. We've only had a handful of students who've applied for jobs that actually see where we work and how we're tied to the school, which hasn't always been the case. That only happened

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Chrastecky, Sarah: many people know about the bush school, it's kind of sad. How many students don't you know, they go into Political Science Department trying to get these degrees, and then they, you know, find out later that

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Chrastecky, Sarah: the bush school exists, and that's a natural transition. If you wanted to stay here in town. But now it's not a problem. Yes.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: they're creating the energy. Yes, you are correct.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: What is Zack's major

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Chrastecky, Sarah: something I thought, it's construction science. That's why I was confused.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: That that yeah, I don't know.

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TJ: you know, and it's Salarum. I knew the museum was there. but oh, like the buildings next door. That's cool. like it's just campus. Just ignore it.

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TJ: Avoid it during certain times of the day, during certain times the year.

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TJ: But yeah, it's great. Just do it. I love it.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: How many people don't know anything about the library, or how the libraries here?

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Chrastecky, Sarah: That's what I'm always surprised by not so much as they don't know the school, but that you don't even know that there's a presidential library on this campus.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: I mean. I'm sure that's probably not a selling point, for when you know

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Chrastecky, Sarah: I don't know. I guess when I went to school that was one of the things I did. I looked around to see what was in the town when I came and visited and did other things so like.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: I don't know. That's a that's a big thing to not know on West campus.

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CBC: A whole lot busier.

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TJ: Yeah

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TJ: time to move.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Sarah, are you gonna ask the last question that we stopped asking. Well, we stopped asking, because he's not hearing more, and he's already pretty much. I mean, I wouldn't say it's favorite, but he's already identified that he did comfort.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Yeah, we we Sarah, usually ask, who's your favorite?

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Chrastecky, Sarah: The Dean or Doctor Ashley things like that. But to me there's such a bromance there that I like to always figure out which side of the personality people like more.

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CBC: Yeah. But that connection so close like you can't separate them. To my mind, let's just

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TJ: that's a new answer.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: So yeah.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: most of the time I get. I'm not answering that question, or I can't answer that, or I've not actually met Dr. Ashley, which was surprising to me. I mean, yeah, I don't. How do you do, everybody? Yeah.

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TJ: So who's your favorite person? The whole school?

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TJ: Am I? Favorite person?

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CBC: Oh, man! At the book, my favorite person at the Bush school.

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CBC: Can't do it. Sorry

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Chrastecky, Sarah: I love it.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: I will. I will say this, I will say this.

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CBC: So Yvonne Costello, who I work down the hall from she and I have known each other for years, and she was here before I got here. It is a large part of bringing me here, so I will give her credit for that.

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CBC: I've known her the longest, I know. I know her the best, and

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CBC: I thank her as often as I can for

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CBC: encouraging me to come over and helping that happen. So

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CBC: that doesn't directly answer your question. But I hope it.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: that's a good answer. I like that answer, yeah, we love it on, too. So

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Chrastecky, Sarah: she apparently listens to our podcast. She's like the only one that listens pretty regularly.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Yeah, when she gonna be on it.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: she won't. I keep asking her, Mary. I totally do one together. They won't. This is the same thing with Elaine and Peg. you know. Yeah, you tell him, Connor.

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CBC: hmm.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: yeah.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: we'll have to. We'll have to just take a microphone and start walking around.

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TJ: Yeah, we did that that one time, except we didn't walk around. We just stayed stationary. We're lazy.

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TJ: Well, play. Thank you so much for spending part of your morning with us.

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CBC: Thank you. This was enjoyable. I had a good time.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: We'll come back and visit anytime. We're a crazy group over here.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: I come to Edinburgh as often as I can. We appreciate that because people don't come enough

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TJ: sometimes it's by accident, but still, you know, even if you just need to stop by and like, hide in a lobby, or you know.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: yeah, just find out what day chance is coming over. That's right. He was over here yesterday. I don't remember who he was talking to. I was so in and out.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: yeah, sometimes he just there. And I'm like, Whoa, you're here. And he's like, yeah, I just needed a break. I was like.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: chairs are comfy.

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CBC: There you go all the time.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Full time. Yeah.

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TJ: yes. Well, thank you very much. We very much appreciate it. And we maybe you can pass the word to make other people do it. Cause apparently a lot of people are terrified to come, do this absolutely. I'll start recruiting immediately.

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Chrastecky, Sarah: Thank you. Guys appreciate it. You, too.