Unlocking the Secrets to Better Sleep with Dr. Bijoy John

Rich Bennett 0:00
Thanks for joining the conversation, where we explore the stories and experiences that shape our world Today. We had the pleasure of hosting Dr. Bijoy John, a board certified sleep specialist with over two decades of dedicated service in helping people overcome sleep challenges without relying on medication. He is the founder of Sleep Fix Academy. Dr. John brings a wealth of knowledge and innovative drug free approaches to enhance sleep, quality and overall health. So those of you listening listen very, very, very, very closely, because it's very rare that actually this is the first time that I've ever had a sleep expert on. And this is something that I know a lot of people can use. A lot of people don't know how to sleep, which is great. How are you doing, Dr. John? 

Bijoy John 0:50
I'm having a great time here, Sunny and it's beautiful in Nashville at 65, ready to play a round of golf soon. So I'm ready to go. 

Rich Bennett 0:58
Okay. There you go again. Right here. He's talking about playing golf. Here I am. Well, I don't want to stay stuck in here working all day because I love it. So. I got it. You know what? Now I do have to come down there. Just play golf with you so you can laugh at me because I haven't played in years. 

Bijoy John 1:14
Yeah, we can visit all the honky tonk and enjoy some country music. You know, we might even visit your favorite place to be the Bourbon Trail. We'll do that, too. 

Rich Bennett 1:25
Got. I got to get Dad there. Have to get down there. So before we get into the book, I got to ask 

because you had some sleep problems when you were younger, right? 

Bijoy John 1:39
Correct. So, you know, our sleep quality worsens every decade after 20 years, you know, sleeping like a baby is. You know, I tell people, sleep like a baby is gone. When you have your own baby. Right. So. So. 

Rich Bennett 1:52
I never understood that phrase because don't I mean, babies just seem like they sleep all day and get up and cry. I don't want to sleep. I get. 

Bijoy John 1:59
Yeah, that's that's what happens after that. You know, when you have your child, you know, life happens to all of us. So, you know, when I was in that school sleep, you know, we were caffeinated, you know, But I didn't do well in the exams. Then I said, there's something wrong. So early on, you know, this is in the early eighties when I was in med school, nobody paid attention to sleep. So then I found myself, hey, I'm going to let's not, you know how all nighters before the exam and I started doing better, I said. 

Rich Bennett 2:25
Right. 

Bijoy John 2:25
Secret here, Right? So and then life happened. You know, when I lost my mom to grief, I couldn't sleep, you know? Okay, stress. I have to get over it, you know, so. So I found a way over there, and then I started this. My own company and business. A lot of employees decisions. I was. I said, wow, I got to get over it. So over this 25 years of my experience, I have perfected the art. I, you know, I wrote about I write about the seven and sleep strategies. I mean, you know, suffer of insomnia myself and and also, you know, at this age, I'm you know, I'm 53. I have a little bit of sleep apnea. So I have all those things, but I'm able to come back. So that's my mission in life to to teach people how to sleep, even though life happens to all of us. And I want everybody to discover the joy of sleep and how better you can feel every day. 

Rich Bennett 3:15
So you had sleep apnea while you were going to school to become a doctor. 

Bijoy John 3:19
Know, when when I'm you know, I'm 53. I was diagnosed three years ago. 

Rich Bennett 3:23
Really? All right, now you're scaring me. So you're telling me as as we get older, that's more common to have sleep apnea. 

Bijoy John 3:32
Yeah. So what happens is. 

You know, as we grow older. I mean, I'm older, meaning, you know, middle age, that if something happens to all of us, we have testosterone in men and low estrogen in women. So things begin to sag, you know. So the sagging happens in the back of the throat and you you're hysterical. 

Rich Bennett 3:56
If. 

Bijoy John 3:56
And so the throat collapses and closes the airway. So that's quite obstructive sleep apnea. We are all vulnerable to it. 

Rich Bennett 4:04
Right. 

Bijoy John 4:04
To all of us. So. 

Rich Bennett 4:07
I'll be darned. How do you realize that? Because. Well, we were talking before we started recording. I told you how I'm sleeping better now than I ever have. And I'm 60. Now I know my older brother had problems sleeping. He, I guess, is sleep apnea. That's where you sleep with the machine on. 

Bijoy John 4:23
Those days are gone. We have different treatments for sleep apnea. You know, we 

Rich Bennett 4:26
Oh. 

Bijoy John 4:26
people are so afraid to see a sleep doctor or get help because they are afraid to go to a lab. You know, you have home sleep testing now and the devices are much more, you know, simpler. I have a device. I keep it on my tongue while I'm exercising. It's called Excite OSA, and there's an oral applying that the CPAP and there's Inspire. There's so many treatments. 

Rich Bennett 4:46
Wow. 

Bijoy John 4:47
Some people have more sleep apnea on their back. We have a little shocker device. So you don't lay on your back. It gives you a little shock. So you roll over. We got all kinds of treatments. You want to shock, don't you? Put pressure on you put an implant on you. We got all kinds of stuff now, so. 

Rich Bennett 5:04
I have I have something that's a good fix for that because a great idea for all. But most people snore when they lay on their back, right? 

Bijoy John 5:12
Correct. 

Rich Bennett 5:13
Yeah, I have a perfect fix. Get married because my wife clocks me all the time. 

Bijoy John 5:19
All the elbow therapy you get. No. On your on your ribs. And immediately you roll over on your side. 

Rich Bennett 5:26
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I don't. I can't do it to her, though. She's not fazed by it. I can't. I just can't wake her up. I can't find it in my heart. 

Bijoy John 5:37
Yeah, that's. 

Rich Bennett 5:37
So what made you decide to write the book? Nobody sleep in. 

Bijoy John 5:42
So, you know, my background is in the intensive care unit pulmonary and also sleep. But I've seen the effect of sleep deprivation in the ICU and I've seen how sleep impacts various organs. It affects your heart, it affects your mental capacity. It can help control your diabetes, it helps with weight, it helps with, you know, mental health. It helps with sexual health. I said, I'm going to this way. You know, I always my sleep has been my passion because when I sleep well, I I'm so empowered. So I said, I'm going to leave this practice, you know, start my own clinic. And then I'm seeing this pattern of people with the same problem. I said, How do I help more people? The only way is to write a book. And and we shared with the world so everybody else can discover, you know, the gift they have within themselves. 

Rich Bennett 6:28
How long did it take you to write? 

Bijoy John 6:30
It took me two years to write and six months to bring bring it to print. So a total of two and a half years of complete dedication. 

Rich Bennett 6:40
Actually is this self-published or as you go through a publisher? 

Bijoy John 6:42
I went through a publisher. 

Rich Bennett 6:44
You did real. This is your first book. 

Bijoy John 6:46
First of all. Yes. 

Rich Bennett 6:48
How in the world did you find a publisher on your first book? 

Bijoy John 6:51
Oh, no. 

Rich Bennett 6:51
Well, never mind. I know how, because it's. You're not writing something that everybody else writes about. 

Bijoy John 6:58
Correct. This is unique and the world is beginning to understand the power of sleep. And we are in everybody's understanding. Sleep is the foundation we know. We talk about fitness, we talk about diet. But sleep is the foundation on which the other things can be built. So people are I'm excited because people are becoming aware of it, you know? So, 

Rich Bennett 7:15
Yeah. Oh, yeah, 

Bijoy John 7:16
yes. 

Rich Bennett 7:17
Yeah. And the thing that I love that you mentioned earlier is how sleep can help with your. Let me rephrase that. How a good sleep can help with your mental health. 

Bijoy John 7:30
Correct. 

Rich Bennett 7:31
And that's something we have, especially since COVID has been on the rise again, is mental illness. 

Bijoy John 7:36
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 7:37
Big time. But do you see the problem more in adults or in teens? Because it seems like when it comes to anxiety and depression, it seems like there's a big rise of it in teens. 

Bijoy John 7:52
Correct. So. So what? How does sleep impact anxiety and depression? It has a bi directional relationship. When you sleep well, you're less anxious. But if you don't sleep well, you're more anxious. And more anxious creates less sleep. So you see that clock turning. So somewhere along the line, we have to break the vicious cycle. And of course, that huge impact where what you know, they call it, Have you changed their entire sleep pattern? You know, we started working from home. When you're working from home, people start taking their devices into the bedrooms. And now 

Rich Bennett 8:24
Yeah. 

Bijoy John 8:25
here you are working on your bed and the light from the from the, you know, the tablet or 

Rich Bennett 8:29
Blue 

Bijoy John 8:29
the. 

Rich Bennett 8:29
light. 

Bijoy John 8:30
On his telling the brain, Hey, it's still daylight, no need to go to sleep. And we are where we are. Push the clock forward. You know what was 10:00 now? People asleep. I like 1:00 or 2:00. Waking up later because you can work from home. See how cold has changed. And also, there's a something called corona insomnia. Insomnia is a difficulty to sleep. Corona Slovenia is just the fear of, you know, maybe I have COVID, maybe you have COVID, you know, that is created is ants and 

Rich Bennett 8:57
Wow. 

Bijoy John 8:58
So we are we are living in this world, you know, And of course, children, because of the social media, in fact, have more more issues with anxiety and depression. You know, to a point, I tell people, you know, this is probably the most important message in your show. Every show I go on, you know, sleep, like I mentioned, gets worse after 20 years. So till kids go to college, you should be a sound sleeper. So as a parent or a grandparent, if you have your child or your grandchild not sleeping, that actually is a cry for help. There's something else bothering them. It's usually anxiety or depression, and we have to pull that back and see and talk to your children. Hey, if if your children have any any sleep problems, you know, then you have to address it because it's an underlying result of something else. 

Rich Bennett 9:46
With that, because I know you don't use medicine. Right. 

Bijoy John 9:51
I do rarely. I take people off medication, but there are some situations I have to you know, 

Rich Bennett 9:56
Okay. 

Bijoy John 9:56
I will not be telling the truth if I don't. Absolutely, I do. But in a very small percentage of people for a short period, like if you're going through grief, you have you're going 

Rich Bennett 10:05
Right. 

Bijoy John 10:05
through a tragic event in your life. Okay, let's do that and then let's get you through it, you know, with great therapy and better sleep. And then I get them off, but not on a long term basis. 

Rich Bennett 10:16
I have to ask you and we mentioned before we started, I told you about my daughter. What's your take on melatonin? 

Bijoy John 10:25
I get asked all the time. See, we have melatonin in our body 

Rich Bennett 10:29
Right. 

Bijoy John 10:29
at women, our own secretion, but taking something from the outside. What has happened is the body gets tolerant to it and I like to then lift £5. Then you want to lift £10 so you gets comfortable. Same thing with melatonin. Today you take two milligram, then you take five mg ten milligrams. So what happens is when you take the external, our body completely shuts off the insulin production. It's like it turns it off. So. 

Rich Bennett 10:59
Oh, wow. 

Bijoy John 11:00
You lost your chance. But I'm teaching how people how to get your own melatonin and you know certain things, so. Very simple. Melatonin only is secreted in darkness. The word mal means darkness, right? So when you're putting all the lights on your at night, it's not going to secrete melatonin, only get secreted in, you know, when the is lower. So that's why when you take a tropical. 

Rich Bennett 11:23
Oh. 

Bijoy John 11:24
Sleeping well, because. Because the temperature is higher. And if you have a heavy meal before bedtime, what I do is, you know, the end result of any digestive process is heat. Your body core, body temperature is high, and melatonin maximum happens after the core body temperature drops. So you're not giving you a chance to sacred your own. And then the fourth thing you're doing is taking external melatonin, shutting off your own melatonin. See what I'm saying? So we are doing it. We got it all wrong. 

Rich Bennett 11:51
Oh, wow. I didn't realize all of that. So. Okay. And I talked to somebody. I just had somebody else on my show. And we were talking briefly about sleep and it wasn't. She does. She doesn't. She's not like you. She's not. I want to say sleep, Doctor. She does a lot with 

yoga. What do you call it? 

Bijoy John 12:18
Constantly. 

Rich Bennett 12:18
She's she's a psychic or maybe whatever. But she she mentioned with melatonin a lot of times she said it's very good to go out and watch the sunset because that helps. But then when you come in to the house, have your lights almost at like a almost like the back of the days before they had lights, it was like candles flickering. So have the lights down low. And that would even help with it. More to, I guess, to help create that melatonin in your body. So what I'm hearing you say, you don't have the bright lights on at night, Right? 

Bijoy John 12:56
So I think she's partially right. See, the evening sunlight is good for you. Those, you know, the radiation that happened in dusk, it helps a lot of people you see walking and they think it's actually the walking that helps them to sleep. That is actually the light. So what happens with most people who take walk are, you know, you know, like octogenarians. So they have more time, They walk, so their clock is moved backwards. They go to bed around like seven or eight. Now that light pushes it forward. They have the opposite problem of a teens, right? So in the teens, they go to bed. The clock is moved forward. So the light actually helps the, you know, older adults to sleep better 

Rich Bennett 13:35
Right. 

Bijoy John 13:35
in time. And the thing about it, you know, there's a concept to have all the lights lower in the room in the night towards evening. That's actually a good point. But listen, the destruction we are doing is opening our tablets and your phone in your bed where there's no ambient light. So the light from these devices are much more powerful and anti melatonin production because it enters our eyes the light. So that's the challenge. You know, we can dim all the lights in the outside, but you're taking 

Rich Bennett 14:07
Right. 

Bijoy John 14:07
your. Kaboom. The light on your phone. That's the problem. 

Rich Bennett 14:13
So. So even while you're sleeping, is it. And I'm asking this because I keep I have a Himalayan salt rock. Next to my bed, which I turn on. Is that okay? Because I just got that orange glow to it. 

Bijoy John 14:28
No, I am. I'm not a fan of any light, you know. 

Rich Bennett 14:32
Okay. 

Bijoy John 14:33
I mean, of course we have safety reason and all that you have, but that's different. You have to live. So a safety reason if it is comfortable, that's why. But I'm not a bad fan of light and I'm not even a fan of having any electronics in your room, especially timepieces, because we are all prone to wake up at night. And then once you look at the clock, oh, it's only 2:00. Oh, it's 2:00. I only slept. So it creates the cognitive, you know. Not to mention, people have their phone next to you and ding oh, 3:00 and then you have messages and then you start scrolling. You know what I'm saying? And then you get out of sleep. So you don't want to do all that. 

Rich Bennett 15:07
All right, Dr. John, I feel I've been doing good. Now you're scaring me. Now I got to make some changes. All right. 

Bijoy John 15:13
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 15:13
Salt rock I could take. I can get that out of the bedroom. That's no problem. But one thing that helps me fall asleep is and I use Alexa for this. I you know, the nature sounds. Whether it be pink noise or white noise or anything like that, even the Tibetan drum or the Tibetan bows helps me, I guess maybe because I meditate and then fall asleep. 

Bijoy John 15:37
That's okay. Background noise. A little bit of noise to help you calm your mind. But you know what? What the challenge here. See the message get sometimes lost. Most people are doing these on their apps. And guess where the app. 

Rich Bennett 15:49
Are there. Yes. 

Bijoy John 15:50
And so if you have detached, I tell people when you enter the bedroom, it's going to be like the screening device on your PC. So if anything, bedroom phone be worrying me, you know, not comfortable clothes beep. So you have to take it all. You have to take all those layers out before you enter. That's my screening technique. I tracked out people what's what's beeping when you and you know, when we get a chance, we'll. I'll explain the seven strategies because I want to give it to the world. I mean, I mentioned in my book and my website, but I want to give it to your listeners. 

Rich Bennett 16:23
Actually, could you give us an overview of the seven 

Bijoy John 16:26
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 16:26
proven strategies and 

Bijoy John 16:27
So 

Rich Bennett 16:28
if. 

Bijoy John 16:28
what I did after I wrote the book, I came to a plan. I'm going to give an acronym for that same. So all the viewers can take it down. It's called Sleep Now. Sleep and all. W All right. It's very easy. So first thing is schedule the for the s the schedule. Make sure you have a fixed schedule between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m.. Little caveat here. Most people who struggle to sleep if they go to bed at ten and they cannot fall asleep till midnight, guess what they're doing? They're going to bed earlier. Now they're struggling from 9 p.m. to to midnight. So I tell people, if you're struggling, go to bed. The time you fell asleep, like 1130, right When you fixed that, then you can go backwards to 11, 15, 11. And but here's another important thing. You have to wake up at 6 a.m. So I'm trying to create a sleep that in, you know, in folks who are trying to. 

Rich Bennett 17:20
Right. 

Bijoy John 17:21
Most people will snooze. No, wake up. You know, I keep my alarm in my bathroom next to me. So when they when the phone rings at six, I am literally walking. I'm done sleeping. If I didn't sleep the night before, It's okay. I'll do it another night. The sleep that catches. So this is called sleep restriction. It works. So this is number one. I give it right off the bat. You had a question Which. 

Rich Bennett 17:43
I love that idea. You should. You keep the alarm in your bathroom. 

Bijoy John 17:48
Yes. So I. 

Rich Bennett 17:49
Get up. Turn. 

Bijoy John 17:50
You're not sleeping? No. Snoozing? No. Nothing. I'm disciplined. I've been doing this for several, several years. Okay. The next is the L in the acronym. Low light. Low noise, low temperature. We talk about melatonin. You know, only cigarettes in darkness and low temperature. Right. So we can skip that. The next is E in exercise. Do not exercise 4 hours prior to going to sleep, because guess what? When you exercise what we are generating, just like eating, we are generating heat. So if you have the big steak, wonder why you didn't sleep well or if you have AB full of time, you know your stomach is full. That is a digestive process is cranking out, making heat. So yeah. And melatonin does not secrete. Go ahead. 

Rich Bennett 18:33
So. Okay, so I guess an electric blanket on the bed is not a good idea then. Even just. I mean, of course you don't want to sleep with it on. But before you go to bed, the heat up the beds. Not a good idea, right? 

Bijoy John 18:46
That's you know, that's a little caveat. Well, see, we're all not the same ride. We are all made difference. But. But coolness is the for the general, for if I if I have to paint with a broad brush, I'll say cool. But there is a few people who secrete another hormone called oxytocin, which is generated by heat. Remember, that's why the Romans and everybody had the sauna. And some people sleep better after a hot bath. You with me? Right. So some people secrete oxytocin, which is actually a powerful hormone to put you to sleep. So you may be that person who secretes more oxytocin than melatonin. So you are okay, But most people would need the melatonin. Great question, but a little caveat. Got it. 

Rich Bennett 19:29
Got it. Yeah, but I still want to get rid of that damn electric blanket and get one of those. What do they call the. You put on top of your mattress so you can either cool or heat and you can just adjust each side. 

Bijoy John 19:42
You know. 

Rich Bennett 19:43
Co-sleep. 

Bijoy John 19:45
I read, you know, we're trying to fix the sleep problems from the outside in. Remember, sleep problem has to be fixed from inside out. You got to fix your mind. 

Rich Bennett 19:55
Right. 

Bijoy John 19:56
You got to fix the obstruction as the tongue falls back. You cannot fix the problems from outside. We wanted we want so badly to fix it from outside in. But we have to fix it from the inside out. 

Rich Bennett 20:07
Look. 

Bijoy John 20:07
So I'm going to go to the next step. 

It's called. 

Rich Bennett 20:11
Try to fix my wife right now, Dr. John. 

Bijoy John 20:14
Hey, I'm not falling into your trap, okay? So the Nexus, I don't want no problems in your. I'm trying to fix something cause. 

Rich Bennett 20:22
I joke. 

Bijoy John 20:24
I'm trying to fix something called sleep divorce. Have you heard that? Most people are sleeping separately because of sleep. Divorce. My aim is to bring couples back together. So I 

don't want to sleep there once in your life. So. 

Rich Bennett 20:40
She's. 

Bijoy John 20:41
All rise. 

Rich Bennett 20:43
I'm sorry. The next. Right. That's. 

Bijoy John 20:45
So we're going to go to the AP. Okay. We got to keep you. 

Rich Bennett 20:48
Okay. 

Bijoy John 20:49
So the AP is powering off your mind, right? So the only way to power of your mind, you're giving your body a chance. You already don't have your phone. You know, that drool is cool. And so you're in exercise. The body's calm. And now I teach to techniques called vivid imagination and yoga. Nedra Vivid imagination. When you when you are you life, when you lay in bed. I don't want any reality. I don't want you to bring your problems. I don't want to bring, you know, anger. I want you to be the director of your show. I saw I sure watched last night and become the producer tonight. And I'm going to run the show in my mind. I've been doing this for 30 years and it works great. And I've told all the all the clients and my patients over the years, they all love it. So start being not I don't want reality in your bed. I want you to have the abstracts to start, people start imagining things. And the second technique is called yoga, Nedra, where you lay down with your palms up. It's called the corpse pose, and you start thinking of different parts of the body starting from your head all the way down. And remember, again, you know, you can't do this. This sleep is like a dimmer switch. It's not an on and off. You want to like see what is happening. Rich, The hospital culture is God is good. So sleep as we have met our match in the hustle culture with sleep. Sleep is an ancient art. It's natural hustling. You can hustle and people are doing all the data mining. Want to know REM sleep and that's not going to help you. That's it. You know, I have so many clients now, you can't do it. So. All right. Let's keeping on next is no in the acronym. No. Two worries. I tell people to worry between 6 p.m. and 8 p.m.. Right. I was getting ready for your show yesterday. I say, did I get the link? Okay, it's there the time. Okay. And make sure it's the central 

Rich Bennett 22:27
Right. 

Bijoy John 22:27
time. So I do everything by 8 p.m.. That's called dedicated worrying time. If I'm not able to solve the problem, I write it down. I go the next day. So I'm not worrying in bed. Right. So that's the memo and the last one is easy win by losing yourself. You know you have to lose yourself. A sleep is a seven course like a seven course meal. You have to have your wine, you have to have the music, you have to have the cheese. You have to have your salad. You you have to you know, it is a routine, easy routine, not hustling or exercising or data mining. So that's maximum sleep. And oh, w this. I perfected this art for 25 years and I practices I've given to my family, my friends and my patients for all these years. Everybody is just doing significantly better. And now I'm sharing in the world in my in my book. 

Rich Bennett 23:14
I love that. 

Bijoy John 23:15
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 23:17
That's an easy one to remember. Sleep now. And I love the first verse about scheduling. 

Bijoy John 23:22
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 23:22
Which is very important and something you mentioned there about, you know, if you're going to bed at ten but not falling asleep til 12, then work backwards. 

Bijoy John 23:33
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 23:33
I really, really, really like that. And I think that's probably it's got to be like, well, it's the first step. And to me, the first step is always the biggest step because you can't get to the next steps until you. 

Bijoy John 23:47
Correct. 

Rich Bennett 23:48
I like that a lot. Now, where did the book actually come out? 

Bijoy John 23:52
It came out on the 12th of March, and it's trending number one on Amazon in the new release. 

Rich Bennett 23:57
Nice. 

Bijoy John 23:58
Yeah, it's a huge need. People are loving it. I'm loving all the feedback, you know? So I'm excited. 

Rich Bennett 24:05
Now, is it in audio form as well? 

Bijoy John 24:08
So we're not yet you know, the publisher says, wait, 

Rich Bennett 24:12
Right. 

Bijoy John 24:12
you know, apparently audio kills the sales of books because it's much. 

Rich Bennett 24:17
True. 

Bijoy John 24:19
So they want weights. And so the book and the Kindle version is there. I mean, if you have a Kindle, it'll read for you. So. 

Rich Bennett 24:25
Just read it when you go to bed. 

Bijoy John 24:28
Yeah. So some of my friends make fun of me now. They said, Hey, when I started reading your book, I fell asleep. I said, I've done my job. My drop has. 

Rich Bennett 24:36
I love that. I love that. 

Bijoy John 24:39
Question. I'm going to use that in my next TV show or that the radio. 

Rich Bennett 24:44
That is great. So what I love about this book, it's it's a guy. It's I don't want to say. Well, it is a guide book, but it's it's also a reference book that you can always. Keep it. Go back and read over and over and over again. Because let's face it, even if you follow sleep now, you're doing a good. Something could happen to where it's thrown off your sleep. You can go back and you can read it again and basically retrain yourself because that's what we're doing. We're training ourselves to sleep, right? 

Bijoy John 25:22
So I did. You know, there's plenty of books, but I wanted a book for the whole family. I have a chapter. 

Rich Bennett 25:26
Yeah. 

Bijoy John 25:26
Themes of Chapter four to Children of Chapter four Women Out. Chapter four. Older Adults of Chapter two. Adults of Chapter Athletes. I have Chapter on Mental health, A chapter on weight and so everybody. So when when some members of the family are not sleeping, nobody sleeping. Right. So. 

Rich Bennett 25:42
Right. 

Bijoy John 25:43
And I even went the next step. And I have a course on my website, Sleep Fix Academy. It's called the Sleep Now. Course, if people are inclined, they can take the course. So. But, you know, I wanted you know, I want people to heal. I want everybody to feel the joy. I want everybody to be at the maximum Best Buy sleeping. Once you discover that, Rich, you have it. I found the joy even though I fell a few times. I've climbed back on it. And, you know, I'm sharing. And that's my mission in my life. I'm traveling all over the world telling people about this. 

Rich Bennett 26:13
I tell you, you know, the funny thing and I wonder if, you know, you you're the sleep doctor. Of course you can answer this. Why is it some people are afraid to go to sleep? 

Bijoy John 26:25
So that's a term called sleep and society. Right. So they've complicated this art. Sleep. Come to me. Come to me while sleep is running away. Right. It's like watering a plan. If you put too much water, it's not going over like a golf swing. You want to whack him? Guess what? You're going to hit Mulligan. He's not going nowhere with this big club. You see, you have to have a gentleness with it. And you have to be. You are in. You have to be in control of your sleep. Sleep should not be like it should not rule you. You should be the ruler. It's. It's an automatic. I lay down my bed, I think, start thinking about, you know, the vivid imagination I'm out, but I've already prepared all that. I don't have a phone near me. My room is cold. You know, I left my worries. I've written down, so I've prepared myself. Remember, sleep is a dreamer. It's not an on and off switch. It's a day where you have to take it easy. So? So. So that time is called a sleep anxiety. But you can unwind the anxiety by you don't need to be afraid of it. Sleep should 

Rich Bennett 27:26
Right. 

Bijoy John 27:26
come. 

Rich Bennett 27:28
So those of you listening, when you get the book, 

you want this book. Trust me. Make sure after you read it, leave a full review on good reads. Amazon wherever you leave reviews for books because it's going to drive the algorithms up and it's just going to help Dr. John sell more books. But before I get to my next question, is there anything you'd like to add about the book? Because I think there's something else very important that you're doing that people need to know about, too. 

Bijoy John 28:03
So, you know, this book is for everyone, you know, so it's for the family. And I've shared a lot of, you know, real life. This is real life I'm not taking. But I do have 236 articles or references. So it's taken I've given it all, you know, my life experiences, my personal stories. So you will be enriched. You will feel at peace. And that's my mission. And I hope, you know, everybody joins me in this. You know, the real facts from a real doctor without the holistic. You know, I might have to sell something now. It's our real. 

Rich Bennett 28:40
Well, what I. The other thing I want everybody to listen to, I want to. I want you to go to sleep, fix academy dot com because you can actually take a little quiz on there about how you're sleeping and you know what you're done. Fill out the form. And if you need Dr. John's help, then please reach out to me. Sleep is very important. If you believe how important sleep is, I want to. I want all you listen. I want you to try something before you go to bed. And I know you're always told don't get on the scale before you go to bed. Get on the scale before you go to bed. And then when you wake up in the morning, get on that scale again 

and tell me if you lost weight while sleeping or not, because you do. And that is I learned the hard way. And Dr. John and I were talking about this before we started. I was at £300 at one point. My biggest problem, what I was doing to I would eat what we call your nighttime snacks, and then I would go to bed. And worse thing you could do, worst thing you could do. Now, I don't like eating anything after 7:00. Usually I'll try to eat by 6:00 and I'm done for the night. And then when I go to bed, get up and you just feel so good. I think you. I think if you get well, yeah. If you get enough sleep, you're also creating energy for yourself as well, right? Dr.. 

Bijoy John 30:13
It's perfect seeing you hit a lot of you know. You know, every chapter is like a two hour discussion with you. So, you know, sleep good. Sleep changes the leptin ghrelin ratio, you know, poor sleep alters that. So, you know, you you grow in your sleep, you hear in your sleep, you lose weight in your sleep. So it let sleep work for you. It's free, you know. But you have to you have to work it gently. Not you see, but today's culture, we want it. We want to hustle the way. But you have to say you can't. You have. 

Rich Bennett 30:43
Right. 

Bijoy John 30:44
If people follow what I'm telling the acronym in the. It would take about two weeks. The first two weeks, people are angry. They call me the doctor. John. It doesn't work. You are torturing me. Hey, give it another week. Then. They when they see me in my appointment. Hey, how did my sleep? How was your sleep, Dr. John? I'm actually getting it on my extra hour of sleep. Thank you. Thank you. So, one hour in a person who sleeps 3 hours is huge. So they. They are able to. Then they get better, you know? You know, it takes it's like taking stairs. There's no easy way. You know, if I promise something, you know, I'm not a real doctor, you know? So I. The scientific fact and all the stuff in my book. So, yeah, and hope everybody is listening and, you know, took notes. 

Rich Bennett 31:27
One of the things I definitely want you to talk about, I always love to ask my guests a certain question. I always end with a certain question, but with you, I don't want to do that because I want this to focus on the sleep, your book, your website, and something else you have. You have a podcast as well. Don't you? 

Bijoy John 31:48
So, you know, those podcasts are available on my website. So I'm actually going the demand is so high, I'm on going on other People's podcast. I'm a guest on many podcasts. So but I do I am Doctor Sleep Fix. I have on all the social media. I'm also on Tik tok. So if you so if you want to follow me, I have a lot of mediums, you know, Instagram, Facebook as doctor, sleep fix. So I am the doctor sleep fix. I took the name Sleep Fix Academy and doctor sleep fix so people can follow me and get information. 

Rich Bennett 32:20
I love that. 

Bijoy John 32:22
The real information from a practicing doctor who sees things on a daily basis. So, you know, it works. It works on everybody. It works. I've been doing this for a long time and helped many, many people. I want all your viewers to benefit from it. Do. 

Rich Bennett 32:38
So what's going to be the next book? 

Bijoy John 32:41
Nick's next book is going to be a spiritual book. I actually wanted to write that first. 

Rich Bennett 32:46
Oh. 

Bijoy John 32:47
So I'm originally from India, so I wanted to combine the East and the West. I think the truth is in life is right in the middle. And so but my coach and then, like Dr. John was, write your expertise on sleep and then the sleep is spiritual and then you can write your next book, How When the East Meets West, that's going to be at that time. I've already started writing. We'll see. 

Rich Bennett 33:10
Right. That already sounds interesting. So yeah, you definitely have to come back when that one's ready to come. Come. So. And I know you're you're you're the little red lips here. God came to speak, right? I know you have to get ready to run. So anything that you would like to add to my, you know, to to the show, that's very important for the listeners to know about. 

Bijoy John 33:36
Okay. 

Rich Bennett 33:37
Sleep. 

Bijoy John 33:39
So, you know, we have complicated, you know, life in general because of so many reasons. I think, you know, in the social media as a lot of impact on us. But leave it out. You know, you have enough information, just take it easy. Prepare yourself, know the superpower that you have within yourself. And when you sleep well, you want to be well. You know you already healed and it will be more joyful. Do you know in 2020 21, you cost the United States government $411 billion because of sleep related absenteeism, not to mention the accidents or anything errors? Yes, people call in sick. I'm tired today. I don't want to come to work. $411 billion. So. 

Rich Bennett 34:24
Wow. 

Bijoy John 34:25
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 34:26
Holy cow. 

Bijoy John 34:28
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 34:29
All right, everybody, get this book. Go to the academy, Listen to his shows. Sleep better, get healthier and you do all that. I guarantee you, you're just going to be happier and it's going to make the world a happier place. Plain and simple. Dr. John, I want to thank you so much. I cannot wait to talk to you again. And are you sure this is weird? Because usually I go longer, but your message is so important. That's what I wanted to focus on, and I hope everybody listening gets the book and checks at the academy because it is. Sleep is important. Without it. We're not here. Plain and simple. So I want to thank you so much. It's been an honor and a true pleasure. So thank you. 

Bijoy John 35:25
Thank you, Richard. I really enjoyed it. You were a great host. Made it very easy. I really enjoyed being on a show, looking forward. And for everyone. Sleep well. Be well. And let's go sleeping.