Unpacking Emotions: Kim Korte's Culinary Approach to Healing

Rich Bennett 0:00
Thanks for joining the conversation where we explore the stories and experiences that shape our world. I'm your host, Rich Bennett. Today, we're thrilled to have Kim Kourtney join us. Kim is a sensory perception and emotion management strategist who combines her deep curiosity about emotional awareness with extensive experience in business consulting. After facing significant personal challenges, Kim channeled her curiosity into a powerful tool for healing and understanding. This journey led her to write the book Yucky, Yummy, Savory, Sweet. Understanding the Flavors of Emotions, a unique book that explores emotional management using the compelling analogy of cooking and dining. Two of my favorite things in our conversation today will dive into how Kim uses the science of emotions to help us all become Michelin star chefs of our emotional experiences. How are you doing, Kim? 

Kim Korte 0:58
I'm doing Fantastic. Rich, how are you today? 

Rich Bennett 1:01
I am doing great. And first of all, with this, I just got to say this book. I love the idea of, you know, the cooking and dining aspect of it and what you do because it well, let's just face it. Food is always something that cheers people up, isn't it? 

Kim Korte 1:22
But it's also relatable, right? It can cheer 

Rich Bennett 1:24
Yeah. 

Kim Korte 1:24
you up, but it. But you can have an experience with it. Just that that mimics some feelings that you have with people or with situations. Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 1:37
Absolutely. So your your book actually introduces a fascinating analogy between food and emotions. Could you explain how you came up with the innovative concept and what inspired you to use culinary terms to describe emotional experiences? 

Kim Korte 1:55
I'm happy to. I had been on a personal journey to kind of figure my own junk out, and I read a book called How Emotions Are Made The Secret Life of the Brain. And it was fascinating because this is my introduction to the Theory of Constructed Emotions, which is penned by Lisa Feldman Barrett. She's a neuroscientist, and it makes so much sense and it dovetails with so much other things I knew instinctively. But also it it it just made sense. And the more I I got into it, the more I understood it. And I had heard multiple neuroscientists talk about perceptions as ingredients. And so it just made sense. My husband is a sommelier, so he's kind of one of those wine guys. And I thought, Ooh, I'll do the emotional summoning, the emotion sommelier. But you know what? I, I need to appeal to everybody. Not everybody drinks because 

Rich Bennett 3:01
Right. 

Kim Korte 3:01
that, too, is, is experiencing different flavors on your palate. So I just used food because it makes sense. There's just everybody eats. There is a relationship. You have memories with food. You, you know, have the foods you like and that you don't like. Or most importantly, food is, you know, related to flavor. And flavor is a combination of multiple sensory systems, just like our emotions are. 

Rich Bennett 3:33
Oh, wow. I would have never thought about it that way. 

Kim Korte 3:37
Yeah. So when you when you think about an emotion. It's what's going on around you, right? Like your memories, Everything that we experience is what's going on in our outside world and what's going on in our inside world, which can influence our experience. Right. And how we focus can be a product of our, you know, fear or not fear. So how many ingredients we take in is is also a product of our emotions. Ah, ah, ah, ah ah, ah. I'm not saying this. I kind of got off. So let's just say that our emotions are a product of our sensory inputs. And flavor is also a product of different sensory inputs. What you taste like, the umami of it, what you see can influence it. We all know from COVID that if you can't smell it, you can't. It's hard to taste it. And even what you hear going on around you, the texture of the food. All of this can culminate into what becomes how you experience that food and the flavors that you consume or you gather from it. And so my whole idea is, okay, let's take this and say, hey, a chef can taste something and gather more of the flavors that are inside of that. They can taste 

Rich Bennett 5:14
Right. 

Kim Korte 5:14
the different spices. And so if we can get better at knowing what is going on in our emotional recipe, what we're tasting emotionally, because our food is are our emotional food that we consume, can have multiple flavor components, but we might just say, oh, it's good, it's bad, it's being more detailed and understanding our emotional experiences, much like a chef would when they are trained to taste food in more detail. 

Rich Bennett 5:47
How in the world did you come of the idea to combine this, you know, with the emotions and the I mean, because it's brilliant. 

Kim Korte 5:56
Thank you. 

Rich Bennett 5:57
It is. 

Kim Korte 5:59
I. I don't know. I just. I just took the the components of what I was reading. So, for instance, you know, our body has this sensory system called into perception. And a lot of times, if you type it out, it gets changed to interception. So I, I like to see that's 

Rich Bennett 6:22
Stupid 

Kim Korte 6:22
how. 

Rich Bennett 6:22
auto, Correct. 

Kim Korte 6:23
Auto, correct? Yes. So I like to say that's how we catch our feelings. 

Rich Bennett 6:28
Right. 

Kim Korte 6:28
And and so brain is getting information all the time and it has to do something with it. So it's constantly predicting. So what we hear, what we see, what we taste, what we feel inside of our body is a prediction of the brain. And we become aware of our feelings inside of us. Like our heart beats all the time, but we don't always feel it is when the brain wants us to pay attention. And it's just it's making meaning of all these signals. And when it means something that we need to pay attention to. It tells us, just like if we have to use a restroom, like it's telling us, oops, bladder should be full or you need to eat the stomach rolls. 

Rich Bennett 7:11
Huh? How much research went into this? 

Kim Korte 7:16
A lot. A 

Rich Bennett 7:17
I'm 

Kim Korte 7:17
lot. 

Rich Bennett 7:17
just baffled. 

Kim Korte 7:18
Yeah, but what I wanted to say I should have ended with is that this is how we taste our emotions, is when we 

Rich Bennett 7:25
Yeah. 

Kim Korte 7:25
can connect to those feelings. And so that's a really important component of of, of my book is that we, when we taste our food with more intention and, and, and curiosity, then we are able to experience and pivot from our emotional experiences. And what's most importantly is identify it with more detail. Just, just to give us that, as Dr. Barrett calls it, the granularity so that we can tell the difference between. I mean, how many how many recipes of Italian food have tomatoes and garlic and onions and pasta? Right. But we don't call everything spaghetti. We are able to distinguish between the various dishes. So that's what I'm trying to promote. 

Rich Bennett 8:12
Okay. I like that. So for someone interested in becoming better at and managing their emotions, because a lot of times that is hard for people to manage their emotions. What are some steps that they can start with? Based on the strategies in your book? 

Kim Korte 8:33
Getting getting an understanding of like when you feel feelings, do you 

Rich Bennett 8:39
Mm 

Kim Korte 8:39
do 

Rich Bennett 8:39
hmm. 

Kim Korte 8:39
you run from them or do you like say, oh, I don't want to feel this or or do you feel comfortable exploring them or do you just kind of shut down? So I, I know in my past experience I was emotionally shut down, meaning I didn't want to connect to the to the communication that the brain was giving me. And I in the book, I said, Well, let's just start with noticing how you feel in your body, noticing the food that you taste and combining like these little things of just noticing that your feet are cold and just taking little tiny steps to connect to that, that sense into a receptive sense, that sense of how we feel inside and then going on to noticing like what's going on around you when you feel these feelings and how did you label it. It's just like how you label your pasta dish. How are you labeling what you're experiencing now? And it's called the emotion chef progression because, you know, you you start out in a professional kitchen, you might be a station chef and responsible just for one thing, 

Rich Bennett 9:45
Right. 

Kim Korte 9:45
and then you build up to it, right? Till you're creating more recipes and you're you have more responsibility in the kitchen. So it's just getting comfortable with the basics of being connected to yourself and noticing how you feel inside and then exploring why you're feeling it. Because there's something everybody should know. So listen closely. Feelings aren't facts. They are just a product of your past. And your past might not be entirely accurate, Right? 

Rich Bennett 10:20
Right. 

Kim Korte 10:22
Okay, Now I'm going to I'm going to give you the example. You might appreciate this. So let's say, Rich, you were out and about in the streets and you saw he thought was your friend, John. And John was with another woman. And you're like, John's with another woman. But you didn't look hard to see that. That guy looked a lot like John. But it wasn't John. If you didn't look a little harder, you might be telling John's wife he was seeing another woman. Or telling your wife and your wife told John's wife. You see what I'm saying? 

Rich Bennett 10:53
Yeah. 

Kim Korte 10:53
It's like when we can look a little harder at at what we assume our feelings are telling us. We might find out that they're not entirely correct. And also, we have to remember, our brain is a prediction and that it is using our past experience, our recipes to predict what we see, what we feel, what we hear. And that's just like seeing John was a prediction error. 

Rich Bennett 11:20
Mm hmm. 

Kim Korte 11:21
Our feelings can be prediction errors, and it's up to us to correct the error. 

Rich Bennett 11:28
Wow. I, I just love the way that you put these together and explain it, because I would have never thought about that if I would have seen John. You're right. I wouldn't have looked harder. I would have just one glance. You think? Is that person. 

Kim Korte 11:45
Right. 

Rich Bennett 11:46
But you got to look harder into it. Wow. 

Kim Korte 11:48
Yeah. And and I was blown away when I realized that we don't see with our eyes. We see with our brain. We hear with our brain. We smell with our brain. We feel with our brain. And so that humility in that to me just gives me the ability to go, oh man, I, I this is coming all from inside of my head, right? Like, and my head might be be wrong and and I may have you know, let's say that you're going to treat John differently now going forward and have different feelings towards John that could be erroneously based. 

Rich Bennett 12:34
Yeah. 

Kim Korte 12:35
And and so it's setting a poor memory, and that's exactly what it is. So memories, 

experiences, learning, it's all the same for the brain. And that that could set a stage for a completely different experience with him and feelings towards him in the future. And you, you, your basis for it was wrong. So it's just it's just a reminder that of the frailty of us as humans and our ability to have a little bit more forgiveness and an openness for whom I might have had it wrong. 

Rich Bennett 13:16
So in a way, it's teaching people how to use their senses. 

Kim Korte 13:21
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 13:21
And what I mean by that is, you know, with the example of John, we saw John, but we didn't focus on him. People can hear something, but they don't listen. People can see I don't know what it is, but you could smell something, but you don't really sense it if that all makes sense. And it says like, that's what you're trying to explain in the book. 

Kim Korte 13:46
Yes, sir. In the book. In the book, the actual first chapter is called Opus one. Two Buck Chuck in the Wine Snob. And. 

Rich Bennett 13:56
Sorry, women. Opus Dei. Opus One's a good song, first of all, but Opus one and White. The two Buck Chuck. 

Kim Korte 14:02
And the wine snob. And and it's a true story of how I was at a party and this man showed up. Friend of the guest. He saw Opus One. For those who don't know about wine, which is. That's cool. You don't have 

Rich Bennett 14:18
That's 

Kim Korte 14:18
to. 

Rich Bennett 14:19
a wine. 

Kim Korte 14:20
Opus One is a wine brand and they're there. It's a hoity toity brand man. Like they don't you don't sell wine. You they don't sell it to you. You don't buy it. You acquire it. So they're here to help you acquire their wine. And I mean, it's it's very expensive. And it's a, like I said, a hoity toity brand. And so this friend of his went straight for this bottle and poured himself a glass, took a sip and said, oh, my gosh, this is delicious. And he he he was sure he was tasting Opus one, but little did he know it was two Buck Chuck two Buck Chuck is the Charles Shaw brand that Trader Joe's sells and. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And, and so then we all laughing and he's like, What? And he took another taste, and he's like, This is an Opus one. And, and so that is the power of prediction, people. This is the power. It, it was, there was no, no, no Jesus around to change that bad wine into good. It was. It was. I'm not good even say it was bad, but it's certainly not the same quality of wine. And he predicted his experience. So that is the power of a brain, right? So we are we are we're living in a predictive world. And and I am a curious girl now for that very reason. It teaches me always take a certain sip. 

Rich Bennett 15:50
Yeah. 

Now I'm going to have to look for this Opus one, because when I hear Opus One, I always say, Man, I am sure my age now, but I always think of the big bands all. 

Kim Korte 16:04
Yeah, I don't know that. 

Rich Bennett 16:08
I still say you're younger than me. 

Kim Korte 16:10
I just don't have the same musical taste, that's all. 

Rich Bennett 16:13
Well, okay. All right. I'll let you slide there, too. Now, going to have to go buy me a bottle of that two buck Chuck. I did. 

Kim Korte 16:20
Well, I. 

Rich Bennett 16:21
I just. 

Kim Korte 16:21
499 now. 

Rich Bennett 16:25
How in the world did you come up with the name? Our dope is one part I can understand. But Tupac. Chuck him. What? 

Kim Korte 16:31
The wine 

Rich Bennett 16:31
What was the 

Kim Korte 16:32
snob. 

Rich Bennett 16:32
third part? Oh, the wine snob. Okay. 

Kim Korte 16:34
Yeah. He was a wine snob. He, you know, he was like, Oh, yeah, he drinks all the good stuff. And he'd had it before. So that's why his friend, the host, was just busting a gut. 

Rich Bennett 16:46
Wow. 

Kim Korte 16:46
But my husband my husband tells me the story, how a restaurant that he worked in. He's been in the restaurant business for many years. He says it happens all the time because you're given something and you have this expectation of what it's going to be. And so this is the lesson here. What you expect is what you're going to get. 

Rich Bennett 17:09
Yeah. 

Kim Korte 17:10
And and and if you expect a bad experience with somebody, you're going to get it unless you are consciously present to make it more real and more realistic. And and so by to do that, we have to be in a non fear state because, you know, if you're thinking about like what fear does, it makes you focus. And in a non fear state, you're able to see more of it. So you're in you're out in the safari and you're seeing all the wildlife, the flora, the fauna. As soon as you see a lion, you miss all that. You're just looking at the lion. And so this is another theme of the book is to overcome fear so that and remember that fears are just also a prediction of the brain. Most fears are not real. And so if we can kind of open up our our perceptive inputs by by stepping back from and questioning your fears, it gives you the ability to take in more of the situation. So curiosity, enabling that is going to help that and it's going to help you identify your situations better and you know, there's so much more I could talk about from the book, you know, as far as labeling and creating new recipes. But we obviously don't have time. 

Rich Bennett 18:29
Have you thought of now? I don't know if you ever read read this book or not. The Secret by Rhonda Byrne. 

Kim Korte 18:35
Yes. Mm hmm. 

Rich Bennett 18:36
Have you thought about sending this book to her? Because, I mean, seriously, because I think a lot of people, if they read that in your book, it's almost like a combination of the two, because you're teaching people how to more or less examine their emotions, which was the secret. You're learning how to, you know, the law of attraction. You know, all the good emotions if you have it, you know, I think you should. 

Kim Korte 19:03
Okay, I. It's only been out a couple of months, but. 

Rich Bennett 19:07
Since January, right? 

Kim Korte 19:08
Yes, since January. You know, that's something to think about. I, I guess that I'm looking at this 

in a non. I a lot of people associate this. The secret, I think, is metaphysical. 

Rich Bennett 19:24
Mm hmm. 

Kim Korte 19:24
And this is honestly just trying to reach out to the logic of poor people, the people who need a logic, non touchy feely situation, something that you can replicate like. I'm all about replication. I want to be able to say, okay, and notice those results, like notice the changes to do my own experiments on myself. And and I'm really trying to reach out to the people who are not comfortable with emotions, who don't like the touchy feely type of approach, who really want are unhappy, but don't know a way to do it because why? Touchy feely is feely and they're they're just not comfortable with that. So it's trying to bridge that and and develop self-awareness because it's self-awareness is really where we need to be and to connect to others. We need to be able to connect to ourselves. And, you know, it's hard today. It's hard to connect to our our own feelings. And there's so many people who want more from life. But until we make that connection to ourselves, it honestly is really difficult to connect to others. And I thought I was highly connected. I didn't realize until I started doing this work with myself, like, wow, I, I really, I really have a new relationship with love that I didn't have before. And it's it's it's just really nice. 

Rich Bennett 20:55
Wow. Yeah. So this I. Well, personally, I think this book is for everybody. In a way, because it's it's to me, it's one of these books that once you read it, number one, you read it, it's going to help you. And what do you do if books that help you? You pass it on to others? Well, are people listening? Don't pass it on to others. Buy them a copy. It's. It's so that's what you definitely want to do, 

actually. What are some common misconceptions that people have about emotions, and how does your book actually address the. 

Kim Korte 21:39
One that I hate to say it, people aren't going to like this, but, you know, you just got to feed the truth because that's what it is. 

Rich Bennett 21:47
Mm hmm. 

Kim Korte 21:47
People don't make you angry. You make yourself angry. You. You own your own emotions. And I'm going to I'm going to explain it this way. So we've already talked about how you've got perceptions wrong, Right? So so you know, you own it for that reason. But also how we experience the world is just in our head. So remember what I said before. We don't see with our eyes. We see with our brain. We don't see you know, we smell all of these experiences that we have are all in our brain. So it's like we have this model of the world in our head, and it's been created since the day we were born. So how we respond to the world, how we experience the world is ours and ours alone. And we don't you know, we I don't know that like your mike is blue as as I'm looking at you right now, I don't know that you and I see the same color blue. But but we've learned to know that those hues, those tones represent blue. And so we've created all of our meanings for our feelings. So what it takes for me to feel love and what it takes for you to feel love and how we define love is completely unique to us. The dictionary gives us guidance, right? It kind of gives you a framework. But the actionable items, the perception, the perceptive ingredients, those belong to us. And so we can't say we if we don't get those ingredients from someone. Well, that's one thing. But our recipe for love that that we own. 

Rich Bennett 23:42
Wow. 

Kim Korte 23:42
Or anger or 

Rich Bennett 23:44
Yeah. 

Kim Korte 23:44
sadness or disgust. And we we with every moment, we're reframing those emotions. And so my whole thing is, why can't we take a more active part in it instead of just delivering what life has given us to taste? 

Rich Bennett 24:02
Yeah. 

Kim Korte 24:03
Let's be active in creating the recipes that we want to experience since they're ours to do own and master. I don't even like the word master. I don't like the word master because we all have a secret sauce that we can't control. Necessarily. But yeah. 

Rich Bennett 24:22
So with this, because this came out in January. Right, January. 

Kim Korte 24:27
Mm hmm. 

Rich Bennett 24:28
Has the feedback been so far? You've gotten. 

Kim Korte 24:33
Good. Good. 

Rich Bennett 24:34
Has it good, 

Kim Korte 24:35
No, it has. I think some some some people, you know, it's I try and take scientific terms and and make them a little bit less painful. But I feel 

Rich Bennett 24:49
right? 

Kim Korte 24:49
it's important for us to understand these terms because they're impactful to our life. I mean, really impactful. And if you want change, you know, a change comes with education about yourself. Really, this this is a self awareness tool. And when we are self-aware, guess what comes with that confidence? 

Rich Bennett 25:14
Mm hmm. 

Kim Korte 25:15
Emotional agility, our ability to pivot in difficult situations because we can identify how we feel. We have a stronger framework for what's important to us. Our personal values. I think everybody should have a personal value statement. And 

Rich Bennett 25:34
Now. 

Kim Korte 25:34
and that's one of the things which I want to get to, is I have a process for helping you to to develop your personal value statement in the book. And I love to create an app where people can can go through that process using an app that down the road. If my book takes off, when my book takes off and there's enough interest, 

Rich Bennett 25:56
Thank 

Kim Korte 25:57
I 

Rich Bennett 25:57
you. 

Kim Korte 25:57
definitely want to. 

Rich Bennett 25:58
Yeah. 

Kim Korte 25:58
I definitely want to try to do that because I feel that that's where your recipe uncovering comes about. Like when you know what it takes for you to feel something and to allow you to restructure them and to maybe stop cooking them or to and then to use that as to how you make your decisions, like how you go forward in life, just like a company uses them. Right? 

Rich Bennett 26:27
I was just going to say like a mission statement and business plan that a company or nonprofit uses. 

Kim Korte 26:33
A company posts a value statement and everything that they do is should be leveraged against that. Like, you know, is is this direction we're going in alignment with our values statement, yes or no? 

Rich Bennett 26:49
An idea. 

Kim Korte 26:50
Yeah. And that's. That's. 

It's ownership. I'm stuttering here for a minute, but it's true ownership. And with ownership comes such strength. And like I said, you you are have self-confidence. And I've noticed in my lifetime and in my own life that it's that lack of confidence and self-confidence, Knowing what you want, what you don't want. Feeling directionless is is where we get into the most trouble because we're we're we're guided by the whatever the wind takes us, not where the direction that we we really want to go because once we know what we want. 

Rich Bennett 27:35
You want to you want to create an app for this. 

Kim Korte 27:37
Yeah, I do. 

Rich Bennett 27:39
I love that. 

Kim Korte 27:40
I do. It's it's a it's basically I actually have a. Prototype that 

Rich Bennett 27:46
Right. 

Kim Korte 27:46
someone helped me to create that takes you through that. It's a self questioning step and you have to invest the time. I mean, it could take, you know, 30 minutes an hour. It's it's really what you put into it is what you get out of it. But I've gone through this process of of going through these questions and helping people to understand what needs to happen, for them to feel a certain emotion. And I go with the positive emotions and the way that you want more of and those quote unquote, negative emotions that you want less of. And what I have found in a lot most instances is that these the the actions that you have for the emotions that you want to feel less of, like what needs to happen for you to feel certain emotions that you want less of, keep you from the emotions that you want more of. It is weird dichotomy that you wouldn't think would be in play, but it's it's it's just strange how it comes out and it's usually very self revealing and it's all coming from within. You. And I honestly believe that your brain doesn't release anything that isn't for your benefit. So you're it's the process is to go get kind of into the subconscious mind, so to speak. 

Rich Bennett 29:06
Right. 

Kim Korte 29:07
And and it's it's a fascinating and empowering exercise. And it's it's really 

Rich Bennett 29:15
Actually 

Kim Korte 29:16
helpful. 

Rich Bennett 29:16
have you thought it? Because the app is brilliant. I love that idea. Have you also thought about maybe creating a workbook to go along with this? 

Kim Korte 29:28
The work book? Yes. 

Rich Bennett 29:30
Or a recipe book. 

Kim Korte 29:32
Yes. No, I have not gotten to the workbook yet, but yes, a workbook is. But it's a very inter active thing. You. It's best with another person to do it successfully. And the idea with the app is that you can do it in the your your privacy of yourself and and not have it. The app is acting as the other person. So yes, the workbook 

Rich Bennett 30:02
Okay. 

Kim Korte 30:02
would be great. It's a very difficult thing to do successfully by yourself, and not a lot of people want to be that vulnerable. So, you know, people that I've worked with, whom I've done it for, like who am I to them? They don't care. They're working with me anyway on it. So, yeah. 

Rich Bennett 30:22
Is this an audio form as well yet? 

Kim Korte 30:24
Not yet. No. 

Rich Bennett 30:26
Not yet 

Kim Korte 30:27
This 

Rich Bennett 30:27
like 

Kim Korte 30:27
is the 

Rich Bennett 30:27
that. 

Kim Korte 30:27
other thing that's on my list that we're. 

And doing the audio book, which is on my agenda to get hopefully done by, you know, this summer for sure. 

Rich Bennett 30:41
And sometimes it's better to have the audio come out when read lips hear to have the audio book come out later 

instead of both at the same time. 

Kim Korte 30:53
Why is that? 

Rich Bennett 30:54
I don't know. I've had a lot of authors tell me that that they they're working on the audio book, but their publisher wants them to launch the audio book further on down the road. Because a lot I do. I mean, personally, I have a lot of the physical books and but I love listening to audio books, which a new kind of sounds weird because a lot of people think, well, you know, books on tape. But when I'm sitting here in my office working, if I'm not on a podcast, if I'm working on my website, I'll listen to an audio book. Now, when I go up into bed, then I'll sit there and read the book physically in a dorm interrupted by my wife or daughter. 

That gap. 

Kim Korte 31:43
I need this. Help me. 

Rich Bennett 31:46
Oh, but it's funny because our daughter, it seems like whenever I go to bed, that's when she decides she's got to come in and show yo to a phone. What do you call it? Her 

on her? Show me all these photos from the day and all her jewelry and everything. Oh, God, Why didn't you show me this was a wake. Your office. You could have interrupted me. I would take some. 

What do you think? I can't believe I didn't ask you this because I always ask authors this. How long did it actually take you to write the book? 

Kim Korte 32:25
Well, this is kind of hard. I got started, and then my dad's well, my stepmother, my dad's wife passed, and he's he was 89 at the time, and now he's 91. So I. I had to take on my dad, move him 100 miles away. It was a very stressful several months. So I, I got interrupted. But it. So if you look at it with interruptions, it took over a year. But the the foundations for it have been years in the making. 

Rich Bennett 33:01
Self-published or Gaither through publishing company. 

Kim Korte 33:04
Self. 

Rich Bennett 33:05
Self-published. 

Kim Korte 33:05
Yeah. I'm hoping, you know, get a little fire underneath it. And who knows, maybe a publisher will pick it up. There's pros and cons. I keep hearing that. Pros and cons to publishers, so. 

Rich Bennett 33:17
Pros and cons of everything. 

Kim Korte 33:19
Exactly. So I'm I'm putting it out there and I'm on podcasts. I'm starting a podcast to help promote it and you know what? I'm going to see where it goes. Because if if the appetite is there, we got to get some food puns in, right, Rich? 

Rich Bennett 33:39
I love it. 

Kim Korte 33:39
Got to have our food. And so if the appetite is there and people find it digestible and easy to consume, more puns. 

Rich Bennett 33:50
Mm. 

Kim Korte 33:50
Then, then it's going to take on a life of its own, I believe. 

Rich Bennett 33:55
Who did the cover because the cover is awesome. 

Kim Korte 34:01
Well, I did. And. 

Rich Bennett 34:03
Did you really? 

Kim Korte 34:04
Yes, I did the the framework. And then my friend came in. She's very I give her credit in the book because I, I had the idea for the the the letters being different. So everyone was like, no, you got to have only one font or two fonts. And I'm like, Nope. Because the words are supposed to reflect what Yummy would taste like, 

Rich Bennett 34:27
Yes. 

Kim Korte 34:27
what, you know, the visual so that you have the visual that could produce the feeling. And then she put in the, the cloud and the other stuff and really dulled it up. So I did the, the titles and then she did the, the what is it like a word cloud with the brain? 

Rich Bennett 34:48
Right. 

Kim Korte 34:49
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 34:50
It's funny because when I first looked at the book, I had to do a double take because at first I thought the brain was ice cream. 

Kim Korte 35:00
Yeah, I know. Because it's got the same colors 

Rich Bennett 35:02
Yes. 

Kim Korte 35:02
as in the as in the 

Rich Bennett 35:03
Yeah. 

Kim Korte 35:03
letters. Right. 

Rich Bennett 35:05
It is. Oh, wait a minute. I don't know. Oh, that's a brain. But the cover is awesome. And nowadays, you know, back in the day, they used to say, don't judge a book by its cover, but nowadays the cover will sell the book. 

Kim Korte 35:20
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 35:21
And it's an excellent, excellent cover. I love it. So. 

Kim Korte 35:25
Well, that's great. Good to hear. 

Rich Bennett 35:27
When's the next book coming out? 

Kim Korte 35:29
Oh, because I got nothing else to do. I got to get a workbook done, I got to get my audio book done and I got to get. 

Something. Oh, my. 

Rich Bennett 35:39
Like. 

Kim Korte 35:40
On. 

Rich Bennett 35:41
Kids like Rich. Shut the hell up. You're giving me more work. 

Kim Korte 35:45
Do you know what it's going to involve? Just, I think just like this first one did. 

Rich Bennett 35:51
Yeah. 

Kim Korte 35:52
And I also think at some point I'll be I definitely want to become a public speaker and talk about this. 

Rich Bennett 36:01
I think 

Kim Korte 36:01
All 

Rich Bennett 36:02
definitely 

Kim Korte 36:02
all, all over the world, but especially with kids. Right. So with young adults, you know, people who just it's to abstract. Right. And I just feel strongly that the whole use of food is what makes it so easy to to relate to, because we know how we feel when we eat. And so it's easy to translate and kids know how they feel when they eat. 

Rich Bennett 36:31
Actually. Have you contacted any of the schools? Maybe you talk their. 

Kim Korte 36:35
I did. There's I have a neighbor who's a schoolteacher, and we had worked talked about it before, but then COVID hit and we just haven't resumed the conversation since. Since he's been fully back in school. In fact, thanks for reminding me. I need to go over and give him the book so that he. 

Rich Bennett 36:54
Absolutely. 

Kim Korte 36:55
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 36:56
I think you should. And even look into the telex talks, not to. 

Kim Korte 37:00
Yes. 

Rich Bennett 37:01
Talks start with the TED talks. 

Kim Korte 37:03
Well, a friend of mine does, so I'm working on that too. I I'm going to use for the speech title the same as my first 

Rich Bennett 37:11
Theme 

Kim Korte 37:11
job. 

Rich Bennett 37:12
can't win. Do you have time for yourself, Your talent? And now I already got you writing another book. 

Kim Korte 37:17
I know. Plus, I also have my consulting business. So, yeah, I'm busy. I'm a busy lady. Plus starting a podcast. Don't forget that one. 

Rich Bennett 37:28
I want to talk about that, too. 

Kim Korte 37:29
Yes. And. 

Rich Bennett 37:30
Podcast. 

Kim Korte 37:31
Yeah. And I do have a husband, so. And I take care of my father. I am busy. 

Rich Bennett 37:37
I suppose some work on to your husband. 

Kim Korte 37:40
He's busy. Don't worry. 

Rich Bennett 37:41
Oh. I just saw some. Never mind. I'm busy too. I. So so with with the podcast now have you. Have you recorded yet. 

Kim Korte 37:53
No, that's going to be it's going to probably release next week. The first one. I'll drop it next week. I'm going to have it on YouTube and then all the other. But it takes a while. I here to get them it get it accepted because you've got to submit it to Apple and all those places. 

Rich Bennett 38:13
All depends on the hosting company that you. 

Kim Korte 38:17
Well, we can talk about hosting companies. 

Rich Bennett 38:19
Yeah, we could. 

Kim Korte 38:20
Or words. 

Rich Bennett 38:20
Yeah. So tell everybody the name of the podcast. 

Kim Korte 38:24
The podcast is called Ingredients of Emotions. Understanding the Flavors of Emotions that Shape Your World. I didn't know you used to shape your world in your podcast, but I. 

Rich Bennett 38:36
That's just in the introduction 

Kim Korte 38:38
I know, but. 

Rich Bennett 38:38
that all 

Kim Korte 38:39
But 

Rich Bennett 38:39
of. 

Kim Korte 38:39
I thought. Brilliant minds. 

Rich Bennett 38:44
But you think about it with podcasts, especially when it's conversations. Like this. That's what you're doing. You're you are. You're shaping the world. You're one of the things I love about doing this. And I get told before we started, I started in 2015, I can't think of an episode or guess I've had on. I didn't learn something new. And that's the reason I started doing it, because I wanted I know if I'm learning something, my listeners are learning something. And one of the biggest rewards that you're going to get, Kim and I know you're going to get it when you start your podcast. Once you hear from listeners thanking you for something you said, that's the biggest reward you can get. It just feels so good. 

Kim Korte 39:31
Yeah. 

Rich Bennett 39:31
So good. 

Kim Korte 39:33
Yes, I when you know, in other I had another book that I wrote I don't I need to rerelease it. I didn't put a whole lot of effort into. Publishing it, so I need to republish it. But I had someone tell me that they kept it by their bedside and I had things underlined and they referred to it often and that that was such a joy. And when you can add something positive to another person's life, what greater joy can you have on, on a a fulfillment level to help another person to me? And if I can help someone emotions emotionally be able to cope better in the world when I see, you know, these stories of people who get mad and then all of a sudden their life has changed forever because they they took an action that if they could have been able to to control or recognize the situation differently, it wouldn't have happened to me. That is what I would love to achieve. Who is the Jonathan Majors? You know, the famous actor who beat his girlfriend and his. He went to jail and he said in a text to his girlfriend, he's like, I don't know how to love. He goes, I don't know how to love. I don't know how to feel love. And and that's the type of person I would love to to help because our emotions are what give our world color and flavor. And and it's it's how we connect to people. It's how we connect in general. We all need emotions. We do everything with our emotions. We don't even realize every decision is filtered and prioritized and and and just examined by our emotions. There's no such thing as a rational decision. You're always going to go with the one that feels right. 

Rich Bennett 41:37
Have you thought about possibly sending your bulk to any prisons or anything? 

Kim Korte 41:43
So let me add that to the Rich list. 

Rich Bennett 41:48
No, I'll just sit here. Here's my thought. Because your book can help a lot of people. Definitely prisons. Another thing I would look at is and we covered this on the podcast a lot is addiction, but a lot of your addiction facilities, recovery homes, anything like that, because that's why a lot of people are in addiction. They don't know how to control their emotions. There's something hidden deep inside. That's why they become addicted. 

Kim Korte 42:19
The recipes. And so how do you not feel? You numb. 

Rich Bennett 42:23
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, my God. You want me to just come up with a list of places for you to. 

Kim Korte 42:30
Can you please? You know, we've got each other's emails, 

Rich Bennett 42:33
You know what I got? I got a better idea. 

Kim Korte 42:36
right? 

Rich Bennett 42:36
For those of you listening, if you know that Kim's book or even think that Kim's book would be a good place to put whether being a a a prison, a a school, public library, anywhere by the book and think and donate it to them because you're helping people out. Plain and simple. And that's that's the whole idea is to help people. And this will definitely you know, help people. But oh, you know what, Kim? Something very important. Tell everybody your website and how they can get your book. 

Kim Korte 43:11
Okay, the book is on. 

And my website is. Kim Court E-commerce is pretty easy. Kim KOAT Dotcom. 

Rich Bennett 43:23
You just got to add the link to your podcast on there once you get. 

Kim Korte 43:26
I will. I will, definitely. Yes. I was actually looking at podcast sites just, you know, built site builders just before I got on with you. 

Rich Bennett 43:36
Oh, I can help you that. 

Kim Korte 43:38
Rich. You know what? You you are helpful. And in every way, you're making my list. You're going to help me with my podcast. I ladies and gentlemen. 

Rich Bennett 43:48
Willing to help. 

Kim Korte 43:49
Jim. 

Rich Bennett 43:50
I'm always willing to help. So all of you listening, make sure when you buy. When you buy her book not. When you buy her book. Yucky. Yummy. Savory. Sweet. Understanding the flavors of emotions. After you read it, leave a full review, not just five stars. Four stars. You would ever leave a full review saying why you liked it or why you didn't like it? Whatever. But I know you're going to love it on Amazon. Good reads and all that because that's just going to drive the algorithms up. It's going to help her sell more books. And if there is anybody that you think could use this book, purchase it for them. Be a great gift. Yeah, there's it doesn't even need to be a special day because helping somebody every day is special. So make sure you do that. Can. Before I get to my last question, is there anything you would like to add? 

Kim Korte 44:45
Well, thank you for your support and 

Rich Bennett 44:48
pleasure. 

Kim Korte 44:48
and just this opportunity to be here. It's just been your you're a gem. 

Rich Bennett 44:53
Oh. 

Kim Korte 44:53
I, I just enjoy I could talk with you for hours and hours because you're just so much fun. 

I, I just for anyone who is afraid of their emotions and and doesn't like feeling, I get it. I, I was raised by a mother who was an alcoholic. I had things that didn't happen to me that should never have happened to me As a young girl, I went through a super painful divorce. Emotions were just crazy for me, and that's why I did this. This is why I wrote this book because I feel if you understand how something works, it becomes less scary. And while it's not the 100% picture of how things work, it's it's a it's a it's enough. It's enough for you to make a significant change in your life. 

Rich Bennett 45:51
Get the pork people. So yeah. And here's here's what sucks when it's annoying. Only an hour long show because there are a ton of other questions I could ask you, but out of all the podcasts you've been on, is there anything a host has never asked you that you wish they would have asked you? And if so, what would be their question? What would be your answer? 

Kim Korte 46:20
What's the most important emotion that a person should experience besides love? 

Rich Bennett 46:25
Wow. Wow. Wow. Okay. You floored me with that one. What's your answer? 

Kim Korte 46:33
Curiosity. 

Rich Bennett 46:34
Oh, why is that? 

Kim Korte 46:37
Because when we're curious, it's hard to feel fear. It's hard to 

feel hate. We only feel emotion at a time when we're curious. That means we're willing and open to explore. And I talk about in the book about going from fear to cautious to curious. It's when we learn the most. It's when we grow the most. And it's when we experience ourselves as we're meant to be, not as how people think we should be. 

Rich Bennett 47:13
Oh, how I like it. You floored me with that one. It floored me a lot. Doing this one. 

Kim Korte 47:23
Excuse me. 

Rich Bennett 47:25
Kim, I want to thank you so much. It's been a true pleasure and an honor. And I'm going to the door is open anytime you want to come back, you know, because you know what? When you finished a workbook. 

When you get the podcast launched and you get to come back and you got to talk about that, that's the audio. Your next book actually. And then when you republish your your first book. Am I forgetting anything? When you when they, when you come 

Kim Korte 47:56
My. 

Rich Bennett 47:56
out with your your first wine is better than Opus one. 

Kim Korte 47:59
The audiobook. Did you get that in that? 

Rich Bennett 48:03
Did I say? I think I did. 

Kim Korte 48:04
Oh, the app. Did you have that in there? 

Rich Bennett 48:06
Oh, the yap, yap, yap. Yeah. 

Kim Korte 48:09
Thank 

Rich Bennett 48:09
So 

Kim Korte 48:09
you. 

Rich Bennett 48:09
that's seven times you're going to have to go back. 

Kim Korte 48:13
Well, you know what? I would gladly, gladly sit with you any day of the week because I was. I. I am not a BSR, Rich. I. I don't say things. 

Rich Bennett 48:25
I love that. 

Kim Korte 48:25
I don't I am not someone who is going to sugarcoat something just to. 

Rich Bennett 48:30
Yeah. 

Kim Korte 48:30
Just to make you happy. It really, truly, honestly, was a joy. You are amazing. I appreciate you. So, so, so, so much. 

Rich Bennett 48:40
Thank you. And best of luck with everything. With the book. With the podcast. With. Yeah. And the the list. So. 

Kim Korte 48:48
The rich list. 

Rich Bennett 48:49
Yeah, The Rich List is becoming a book that also. Kim, thanks so much. 

Kim Korte 48:54
Thank you.