#9 Chelsea Mills World Ranked Water Skier Talks Failure as the Only Path to Success
When Chelsea Mills decided to take up tournament water skiing in her 20’s, most people would have said she was a decade too late. She is now ranked number 8 in the world and still improving. She is also a high level tennis coach. Her window into the world of elite sports has given her some powerful insights into the difference mindset can make. She shares many of her insights with us in this episode.
Chelsea: 0:02
welcome to creative spirits unleashed where we talk about the dilemmas of balancing work and life. And now here's your host, Lynn Kearns.
Lynn: 0:19
Hello and welcome to the Creative Spirits Unleash podcast. This is Lynn Carnes your host, and today I am introducing to you Chelsea Mills, who is a multi time national water ski champion. She's actually ranked number eight on the world elite ranking list. I can't even begin to tell you how hard it is to climb up that particular list, but she's also a tennis player and coach. She was a Division one tennis player at Bucknell. She played. She was a tennis coach at Tufts University and UNC Charlotte. And today she's actually a mindset coach for winning mindset, one of the leading sort of sports specific mindset trainings in the country. And you all know I talk a lot about mindset. I think about it all the time because it is often the difference between whether we perform under pressure or not. And Chelsea and I, in this conversation, get into so many golden jewels about how to perform under pressure. What makes the difference in terms of winning? what makes a difference in terms of learning, and what I love is her approach, she says, In this podcast, I'm either winning or on learning, and when I win, I don't learn very much. So you will hear what it took for her to go from a rather late in life beginner of water skiing to climb up to the number eight in the world. And it was good for me to get to hear how she's approached failure and disappointment and so many of her principles to me cross over every single domain. We talk a little bit about watching somebody who's great at something and then learning what really went into making what they do look easy. Why it wasn't so easy. So I really hope you enjoy this conversation. And if you do, please share it with your friends. There's a lot of golden nuggets in here, and, no reason to keep those secrets to yourself. Thanks, Chelsea. Welcome to the podcast.
Chelsea: 2:34
Thanks, Lynn. Thanks for having me.
Lynn: 2:36
I am so glad to have this conversation with you where we get to sit down and not be passing each other on the dock or worried at a tournament about you know what's about to happen or anything like that. And, you know, I've seen now that you not only are a tournament water skier, but a mindset coach. Yeah, yes, I actually that word gets used a lot mindset. I've been in a mastermind where they talked about having mindset coaches. I talk a lot about mindset, but I'm I would like to start. Can you tell me what mindset means to you?
Chelsea: 3:16
Okay. well, I really view it as the total package. So there are many, many components, and of course, I'm speaking from an athletic world. but there are many components to having the right mindset in sports. the company that I work or winning mindset, We, dissect the mindset into, several different components. so we start with, self knowledge. So there's a huge piece of having the right mindset just starts with. Where am I at right now and being aware of where I'm at right now and then, we actually, if you were to do, if you were to complete an entire program with us, it would be like 10 weeks on self knowledge in and of itself. and we go into, clarity. There's a whole group on focus. There's a whole set of, weeks on relaxing under pressure. there's a set of weeks on just on confidence. there is the several weeks on motivation, aggressiveness, the ability to pull the trigger kind of kind of thing. there, you know, I mean, there's there's so many different areas. There's a whole set of weeks on goal setting. So it's it's to me mind set is any and all of those things. and of course, having the right mindset would be having those,, having a good handle on each of those components as an athlete being the total package athlete, is that sort of what I view, you know, right Mindset being If you don't have the right goals, then you don't really know where you're after. You don't have a plan. you know, if you are, let's say you're you're really motivated, but you have really hard time staying present, being in the present moment. Or maybe you're really good at being in the moment. But you can't relax. So there are so many different components to having the right mindset.
Lynn: 5:59
Okay, so what you just described to me is both thrilling and daunting because I'm listening and thinking about clarity, confidence and knowing where I am and relaxing under pressure and being able to pull the trigger. And so there's a lot. You're stacking a lot of things there and there's a part of me that's going Wow. Okay, I want all those things and there's another part of me going How the hell can I ever get all those things? And of course I'm a coach to and so this isn't unusual language for me, But you just described it in such a clear and short way that it almost made it even harder to think about. So how was and and let me just lay on this. You talked about having the right mindset that you you specifically did not say having the perfect mindset, which I think is a critical distinction because a lot of times we're looking for perfection and we missed the great while we're going for that. and I would bet nobody is on the starting dock of a water ski tournament about to lead a giant sales presentation about to do a major negotiation by a company about to whatever nobody ever has The perfect mindset. so that's it. There's a lot I just said there, but I'll start with the question in the stacking of building those skills and especially that 10 weeks of self knowledge. How have you seen people build that so that they can get this total package like, Is that is it possible to perform before you have the total package? Is there something you need to start with first, have you? Where do you start? How do you start?
Chelsea: 7:45
Okay. yeah. So it's self. The self knowledge piece is those 10 weeks on Self knowledge is sort of a condensed version of of everything in our program, but a very shortened version. So if you were to Only due Self knowledge, it's it's going to cover lots of different components. But just going back To what you said I hear that a lot. Somebody says, Look, I want that I want to do this and they and the first thing we do is we send them the program and they're like, Oh, my God. I think this is so much. And how am I ever going to, how am I ever going to quote unquote get there? Right? And, there's a couple of things I have to say to that. And very first thing is is that you're never going to get there, and, and that's both. You know, that's relaxing and disappointing to some people because you very much have to realize that this is a lifelong journey. Mindset is a lifelong journey, as is coaching and in any form, yeah, and just a continuous journey to be a better version of yourself every day. So, no, you're never going to achieve the ultimate. There is no ultimate.
Lynn: 9:19
oh come on. I like the Gold star. You know, I write about that a lot. I
Chelsea: 9:23
have you. Yeah, you can definitely improve drastically. Right? But you're there isn't an endgame here. Really. and I think that the, there's a common misconception among professional athletes and maybe even some, you know, great pros in the business world is that you know, they don't get nervous. They don't have these problems. They never have, you know, there Never tight their Never, feeling that, you know, pressure. And it's just not the case. If you dig deeper, you find you will find out that, the professional athletes actually deal with these things all the time, but they are able to, they have the tools in the tool box do in order to deal with them. and so I think that if you come at this from the approach of this is like strength training for the mind. You know,
Lynn: 10:35
I love that analogy
Chelsea: 10:35
If you were to go to the gym for two months, you would maybe see some very small gains after a couple of months. but if you didn't do those two months in four months, you wouldn't see the real results, or in six months, you wouldn't even greater results, right? You have to build a base. And so I think that it's very important that we look at this like it's it is, a continuous journey that you have to put time into. You don't leave your physical training to chance. So why would you leave your mental training to chance? I think too often people, you know, they competed in athletic world or even on a daily basis. If you just bring it down to the day, it's Oh, I had a great day today. Okay, Well, why, right, that's such a vague term grab. Yeah. You have a great day on the water. Okay, Well, what do you think that was and or had a great tournament or a great game? Okay, but that's fine. But it's very often athletes are leaving that to chance. And it's like we have no idea why we had a great day. It just was a great day or you hear about getting in the zone, quote unquote right. Getting into the zone is something that most athletes experience like once or twice in their lifetime. And so they're not. They're not actually doing the steps to get themselves There more often because they don't know what they are. So that's where the strength training for the mind comes in so that I can achieve my ideal performance state more often.
Lynn: 12:33
That's a brilliant way to look at it. And there's something that you hit on that I've watched a lot in myself. I've seen myself do this and I've seen it in the water ski world. But I've seen it. And also in the horse fight back riding world that I'm and I've seen it in the business world I've seen, I'm just learning how to do a rowing shell. Rowing scull so I. We've got some Olympic qualified rowers here on, like, lower that I watch. And it is this from the outside in you don't see what's really making something work
Chelsea: 13:07
very true
Lynn: 13:07
versus the inside out. So, for example, you said a lot of us assume professional athletes don't have nerves because we actually don't see the nerves or we don't see the way that they're deploying their tools to handle the pressure. The need to relax in the moment where most of us couldn't even catch a breath, much less relax. You know, the invisibility of this work. I think it's what makes it interesting. In fact, I call instead of mental tools. I call it invisible tools just because when I hear mental, I think it's just brain and what I have found for myself, it's much as much body and body sensation as it is brain. And so you have used invisible tools. Just to illuminate the fact that you probably aren't seeing that. So could you peel back a little bit of that layer of And I don't expect you to give away all your secrets here, of course. But what kind of tools Somebody might deploy that you can't see them deploying, and yet it is really the difference. You know, in the water ski world, a lot of times we see people, they'll make that extra buoy or won't. And you could almost tell that they did it to themselves like it's almost like they were like, Wow, I got around four ball. And the minute you think that you aren't going around five ball? Yeah, I've done it 100 times.
Chelsea: 14:33
Yeah. there's there. So many. Oh, my gosh, I'm trying to think of , you know, good intangible.
Lynn: 14:45
Well let me pick one. That's my my favorite at the moment. And it's the relaxing under pressure, right? So because I really know, I tense my body under pressure and I'm taking horseback riding lessons and she will yell across the arena. Relax your back. And what's interesting is when I relax to give the horse, you know a Q oR an aide versus when I'm chance. First of all, I know the horse is feeling it, but more importantly, when we are relaxed together, the sensation of, I don't know a flow. It's a little bit like that zone. But the endorphin kick from sort of being in that state is the most addictive thing I've ever experienced. I think it's part of what skiings addictive but so relaxing under pressure, and it is an invisible skill. So how would you describe that
Chelsea: 15:40
Yeah, let me I can go into that couple. There's a couple of things. So first of all, when any time we're competing we're sort of going into that fight or flight mechanism Yeah, and, I think that the relax part of it, there's a piece and there's many pieces of relaxing under pressure and doing that well, but one of the pieces for sure that I know for sure, is that you cannot get there too early. So I think that a lot of times athletes are coming into an event and say they're actually competing at two o'clock in the afternoon and they're eating breakfast. And maybe their significant other is like, Hey, are you ready for today? And they're like, Yeah, I think so. And and and they're already actually already too much into that fight or flight. And it's 8 a.m. Okay. And so what happens is is because you're so amped up and you're ready at eight even though they're not competing until two o'clock. You are, exhausting yourself mentally, and physically, actually. And so by the time you get to two o'clock you have gone through your competition so many times in your head and you've gone through all these different scenarios and you're you're ready and you've stretched 1000 times and and then you get to the competition and you feel like you've already done it, and you feel like totally exhausted. This is good. I know skiers deal with a lot because we tend to have to sit around and wait. It's very much a hurry up and wait kind of, deal at tournaments,
Lynn: 17:38
and we actually don't know when we're going like a lot of
Chelsea: 17:39
time. Don't you? Don't you don't know.
Lynn: 17:43
There's a rain delay. There's something happened about breaks down on. They decide to put another division in front of U
Chelsea: 17:49
S. Yes. So I think number one is, um, if you know that example of, you know, I'm eating you're eating breakfast or significant other Ask you if you're ready. The answer is no. You're not ready. You're eating breakfast., you are, You need to stay your training yourself to stay in the moment all the time. And that is how you will actually stay in the moment. If in that, if at breakfast you're already thinking about the competition, you are actually living in the future. So that is, I think, a huge key. That, to me, is a big energy saver so that I can give my full effort when the time is actually on, and then apart.
Lynn: 18:44
Yeah. Can I stop me there for a minute, though? Because you just hit something very interesting. I'm gonna dive in even deeper, and so let's just see what were you where we go with this? Your significant other says. Are you ready? Okay. And we say no. The answer's no. Now let's say they're not in on our mindset, training and the fact that we are trying to be in the present moment and they really asking that question. They want you to be ready, but they actually want to know you're ready so that they can breathe easy. So you say no. And then they look at you kind of cross eyed or start trying to take care of you or start trying to tell you how to get ready or they don't say anything and then yourself talk says, But I should be ready or gosh, I can't believe it's just a couple of hours ahead of time in whatever. Like, how did you deal with that undercurrent of judgment that comes from what is actually the proper and honest answer In that case,
Chelsea: 19:45
Yeah, I think you can explain that to your partner and just I mean, even if it's just while you're saying no, you're, like, laughing like No, you know, I'm actually I'm really gonna try to just relax today. I want to stay in the moment more. I want to go. I wanna, You know, I I have a plan. I'm going to I know exactly when I'm gonna get ready, you know, have it having a plan and having a specific precompetition routine is another area that it really relaxes nerves. So that's a whole other thing we could dive into. But that's, you know, you knowing that you have that plan is why you can relax. Like I, for example know. I'm going to get ready eight skiers out, and I'm gonna do it every single time, and I'm gonna go through the exact same. I'm gonna go through the exact same warm up routine every single time. They're different components to that. and so I am in any kind of scenario or any kind of visualization. It was done way earlier in the week. So there's I'm not worried about that on the day that needs to be done out of the way so that it's not something I'm worried about. so, yeah, does that answer your question?
Lynn: 21:08
It does. It helps a lot. And it actually made me remember, one of the tournaments that little mountain Jeff Rogers was there. We were sitting right at the end of the starting doc. He and I just the two of us talking and I can't remember exactly what we were talking about. Until this moment, I looked up and his division was going and it was he was probably three skiers away, and all of a sudden I looked over at him and said, Jeff, I am so sorry. I have been talking to you and you need to be getting ready. And he looked at me like I had three heads. Yeah, and I said. But well, because Jeff is, you know, for the non water skiing people who are listening to this. Jeff Rogers is one of the greatest water skiers of all time. He's broken so many records. He is really known as being relaxed under pressure in a way that very few of us ever achieved. But his reaction that day, I even mentioned it. I said He said something like, It's the buoys are in the same place every time. And he said, If I'm not ready now, you talking to me and I'm gonna make a difference. If only we could bottle that you could make millions and millions of dollars. But the point was exactly he. That's a reiteration of your point, which was whatever mental preparation He needed to do whatever he has. And one of the things I've noticed is he just doesn't come in going. Oh, wow, Which way's the wind blowing? Who's the boat driver? What boat setting Should I use what you know? What kind of white does this boat hat like Jeff's view is? I will react to where the buoys are every single time because I know how to do that. I have the tools to handle whatever comes
Chelsea: 22:48
in yet. Absolutely. I think I think there's There is. There's a couple of components there, Jeff. Obviously one of the best of our of all time in our sport. and on top of that, you can't not like the guy. I mean, he is just a stand up class act, and has a level of humility and deep confidence that very few people have, but I also think that that is one of the big reasons why Jeff is so successful is because he has such deep confidence both on and off the water. But in such a such a humble way, not and not not in a cocky way, it all and, yeah, So I think there's there's a couple of things going on there, You know? He, he has something deep to his core. And I think you know, not not everyone has that. And And some people need to work on deep core confidence, which is something that I work on with my athletes and teams. Because if you are not deeply confident to your very core off of, you know, I coach every sport, it's not just water skiing. But, if you are not confident outside of your sport, then how are you going to expect to be confident inside the sport? you know, I don't know if I would recommend for everyone to not have a warm up routine like Jeff and like Nate Smith. Now, some of those guys, you know, I would argue, are maybe What? What? Maybe break the mold and what we would call naturals, right? And maybe, maybe they Maybe they have something a little that are a lot special about them. I think most people need to get their body ready. or er for any kind of athletic. I've tried it their way. Let me put it that way. and for me it didn't work, but for most people doesn't work. But I think the confidence thing both in somebody like Nate, somebody like Jeff Rogers is, it is very evident. Deep, deep, deep confidence. They're both on and off the water.
Lynn: 25:25
I not noticed with some people. and I don't think we can ever project any of this. This is really the deeper, deeper inner stuff we're talking about here. So I don't think we can project this on anybody I know for myself, One of the things I've had to work on is not letting my performance tell me who I am. In other words, when you talk about deep confidence, I hear it as a groundedness that says that I'm okay as a human being without my performance telling me I'm okay. And I know I have I can't know this for sure from the outside in, but I know I've seen people who feel like their confidence on Lee comes from their performance rather than their performance coming from the well of confidence that they have built. So is that something you work on with people is how to develop that sort of core grounded positive sense of well being so that their athletic performance can't, take that away from them.
Chelsea: 26:32
Yes, for sure. , might you know, one thing that I remember April Coble saying and she preaches to her students is, water skiing is what I do. It's not who I am. That and true. Yes, coming from her, you know who runs ski school, even even and being a professional skier and in what she accomplished in the sport, you know, it's still not who she is as a person. it's still not who any of us are as a person, our sports or not who we are. Our jobs are not who we are. and, yes, that is something that we address. We address very much the whole person. That is something that I think is paramount amount to the program. every single time we go through a,, a lesson. It is applied both to, the sport and then in work, school ,and then in life. So it's applied in three different areas. So whether that's, you know, that could be a confidence thing. So So, if we're talking about a confidence, then all right, how is this applying to you to school? Where are areas where you feel like you're lacking confidence in school or where are areas where you feel like you're lacking confidence and work? How can we work through those and then we go through, you know, outside of both of those realms life school. So we go back to life outside of work, school and the sport. So, yes, we definitely feel that is extremely important to address the whole person and it and it comes back, you know, we even get in deep. They're asked some personal questions about any addictions or, you know, spending too much time on, you know, things like TV or Facebook. You know, those things are not good for confidence, typically. Spending too much time There so we address sort of outside of your sport outside of your work outside of school, you know? Where are you focusing your time? Other things that are huge confidence builders are just giving back and giving to the other people in your sport. So that's something that's just a piece like, Okay, where are you giving back in your sport and how are you doing that? right now, knowing we know that that's gonna build your confidence, we might not tell you, but in a couple of weeks, we're gonna say, Hey, how's this going? And and then you go, Oh, my gosh, I'm actually, you know, helping these kids, and it's making me feel so good. And I feel like I'm part of something bigger. And then all of a sudden, you realize, all right, you know, this person is actually acting more confident and just because they're helping other people. so that's just a seat, sort of a secret way of doing it, But yeah, well,
Lynn: 29:51
I think it actually, it's interesting because it's a secret that I would like to get out there more because as you were talking, I was thinking about that, saying, How you do anything is how you do everything. A lot of people I see this particular in the corporate world. When we're doing for 360 feed back, it's often that we will get some sort of feedback from somebody that says you don't listen. People don't think you care, you know whatever. And they go, Oh, but that's not really who I am. That's just how I have to be to do the job. Well, if we do it in a really holistic weighing and actually reach into their deeper family unit or whatever, they'll get the same feed back. You don't listen. You don't seem to really care. And what what I heard you say continuing to sort of unpacked some of these secrets, and I think people can apply immediately is coping. All of us have lack of confidence and insecurities in some areas, and we cope in different ways. And I have found Facebook is a coping mechanism. Wine can be a coping mechanism system. You know, those little addictions, you know, that seem harmless, but there really are way of escape and escaping thoughts we don't like. And especially in environments like we're living in today. It's April 2020 when a lot of us are on quote unquote virus locked down and it's causing Whatever was there before is just magnified. But you hit a secret that a lot of people wonder how to get their way out, and it's to be in service. So I actually heard, years ago, I heard the guy that wrote The Perfect Storm And I think his name is Sebastian. And I can't remember his last name. Younger, maybe. he, actually talked about people that had PTSD and, you know, the the devastating nature of that disease where they could be triggered by anything that being able to put them in service to give them something or somebody to look out for. Just take the care of, will reverse that. The coping of going into your own dark place. And that, to me, is worth like it is a secret. And I'm glad you give that to people to do and maybe even don't tell them what they're doing it. But it is an amazing confidence builder. And I think everybody can take it away from this podcast. And for the future is give away what it is You think you're lacking. Yes. And then you'll get it
Chelsea: 32:28
Yes, for sure. Yeah. I mean, I just I'm not sure what made me think of it, but I was having a conversation with a female wrestler a few days ago. She's one of my clients. She's 15 years old and just going, we were on, on bucket list. lesson. So this is, You know where you, you come up with all the things you'd love to do in your life? Right, outside. And the rule is outside of sports. So has you Can't you can't have your sport in there unless it's like go cease pro, whatever. I want to go to the French Open or something like that. So she was reading me her bucket lesson and she said, somewhere in there she said, I want to start a blog. And so I listened to her whole list and I went back and I said, I said, What now I want to ask you about your, blog. What makes you want to write a blog? And she said, I don't know. I just think it's something I want to do. And you know, she's 15. So she's young. and I said, You know, I I would love to read your blog because you are, you know, you're a female wrestler. First of all, that is a very unique role today, and, and also she doesn't fit the mold for what you would think a female wrestler is like. She's a girly girl. and she, She wants to see women's wrestling take off. and she wants to be a promoter of that. And so, I said to her, Why don't you start? Just start. Maybe it's for your eyes only right now, or if you want to run some stuff by me, go ahead. But you know, send along if you want, and if you don't want to, and it's just for your eyes only that's fine, too. So, like, two days later, she's like, I just wanted to see what you thought of this. And so she sent me a piece of what she had been writing. And we talked about it and and I pulled out about four different topics out of what she had written and told her she could make separate blogs out of them, and she was so excited. But that's something that is, you know, that's that's something that will build her confidence. it's outside of the sport, but it actually has to do with their sport. But it's a way in which, you know, we're very much living in a social media world. Eventually, when she gets a little bit of experience writing, She could be a huge influencer in the women's wrestling world. And so that's, you know, No, that's not on the mat for her. But it is something that will build her confidence over time. So we look for things like that, and it's individual. you know, it's It's not everyone. Not everyone is the same. just like how Jeff Rogers could not warm up it all. And I cannot but, like that, you know,
Lynn: 35:50
when you have that goes back to something you started at the beginning, which is knowing a little bit about yourself. And, you know, I have found this is where coaching comes in. Is the problem with self awareness is in self knowledge is it's almost impossible to develop without somebody to be a mirror for you. Yeah, poke and Prod and show you where you're fooling yourself or where your missing your own greatness. You know, that's the thing I noticed the most is that people have a greatness that they just fail to see because they're inner self talk,Their inner dialogue is more often than not. Not 100% of the time, But more often than not, it tends to be self critical.
Chelsea: 36:38
Absolutely. Yeah, I remember. you know, the other day we were talking and I was telling you about that tennis player who she was wanting to reach the next level and tennis be a 3.0 and she I asked her why that was her goal. And she said, Well, you know, I just really want to be respected for my game. And it just really put up a red flag for me. Not in a bad way, but just enough. You know, we need to just talk about that a little bit more because, it sounds like she's wanting to gain respect from, a level versus, you know, being respected as a person. And so I asked, you know, in prying more it was very much she wanted more respect as a person. And so when I when I dug a little bit deeper and we found out okay, maybe this isn't the best reason for the goal. Now we can change the goal, to and and make sure the reason for the goal is the right reason. and that needs to be more like loving the challenge and loving the journey and loving the sport that you're in. And, you know, just that the milestones along the way in the process of what that is. But she realized, Okay. My reason for my goal is not the right reason. And so that is where I think if I hadn't pryed a little bit and let her have that goal and let her say Yes, let's let's try to go for that 3.0 so that you respect for your game. I think we could have gone down the wrong path there because if we had achieved that and then she probably still wouldn't feel respected for her game because there's, like, 1000 more levels in tennis, right? , and there's always the next level. I mean, in any sport, almost any sport, probably in the in the corporate world, which I haven't spent a ton of time in but that, you know, there's always somebody around the corner that can kick your butt at what you do! And so I don't know, I was I didn't know that when she was gonna achieved her goal, she was actually going to feel what she wanted to feel. I knew she wasn't going to feel what she wanted to feel, And so before going down that road, I had to be that mirror for her. And I think she came to some self realization there.
Lynn: 39:32
That's powerful. And I call that looking for love in all the wrong places. You know, we're trying to be validated through our performance again, and we think that that that if I if I could be a 3.0 in tennis or if I can get so many buoys or I could finally run a ski pass or, you know, whatever that may be that that's gonna give me my self worth and again that goes back to that conversation. About what, what, where, how to put our performance in its place. Because that, to me, is what makes the performance then shine, and it actually what unleashes The ability to perform is that the stakes become both high and low at the same time, meaning the stakes are high because you wanna win. But they're low because it's not gonna kill you. If you don't win, yeah and destroy who you are,
Chelsea: 40:23
right. Yeah. I mean, I like to think about competition. Like I'm either gonna win or I'm going to learn. one or the other. Because usually when I win, I don't learn. but so, you know, most of the time I'm learning something about you know what? What went wrong? What I could have done better. How I could have prepared better equipment set up things like that. You're always going to learn something, and and I think it is imperative that we have that mindset. of I'm going, I'm choosing to learn and get more than reasonable to be to give yourself the five minutes of disappointment, right? Like nobody's expecting you to lose or not Do as well as you thought you were going to do and be all smiles within five seconds. that's some people are able to do that. but I think it's rare, and I think it's okay to kind of give yourself, you know, a couple of minutes to sort of assess what happened. and you don't have to be super happy about it, like, Okay, I should have done X y z, or self reflect later, but then, after those couple of minutes it has. There has to be a path forward. I think that a lot of athletes allow themselves to sit in that that, like misery and the analyze for, like, two hours what happened right after the event. And it's just too soon, first of all, but also it's it's not helpful, the end, and it's also making everyone around you miserable and, you know, it's it's that contagious negativity that isn't good for anybody. But, you know, I think it's okay for a couple minutes, but be alone when you do it and then come back to the group with a fresh like, moving on sort of way.
Lynn: 42:38
You know, there's, there's a thing called the beck heart change equation. And when my when I did my podcast with David Benzel, we talked about this a little bit, and it's that may I think you just described a missing piece, which is you don't need to put on a cheery face. The beck heart change equation has three pieces for any change to happen and assuming when you don't win, you want to change that and win next time. The first element is dissatisfaction and for the for any change to happen dissatisfaction, vision and path forward or first steps or the three elements. And it's a multiplication. So dissatisfaction times vision or a picture of the future times first steps I, some kind of motion forward, all have to be greater than whatever resistance you have on the other side, which included when it which includes to some degree your fears and so I find when I'm working with clients who want to change the dissatisfaction element is actually the most elusive because they will. I'm gonna use losing weight as I'm not. I'm not a weight loss coach, but this one is a really good illustration. I've seen this happen many times where somebody will get a glimpse of a picture of themselves. I've done this myself from us. So, go Whoa! I didn't think like that I was that big Now is going to lose some weight. And so we get really dissatisfied. I'm gonna go take care of this. I'm gonna fix this problem and then, you know, 24 hours later, the cookies or the tub of ice cream or the opportunity for a phenomenal gourmet dinner with cream brulee at the end shows up, and all of a sudden the dissatisfaction that was higher looking at the picture, you know, it might have been a 10 becomes a one in the face off a delicious me or whatever it I. So you're saying somebody needs to be dissatisfied after a performance that did not make meet their goals, I think is actually a key part of changing?
Chelsea: 44:44
Yes,
Lynn: 44:45
because if you pretend like everything's okay, you're not going to get better?
Chelsea: 44:48
Absolutely. And I think that the weight loss example in the in the sports world looks like, okay, I want to achieve that next level or I wanna win the next time and you're setting this vision. But then for the next week it's raining. And every time you have to go out in practice, it's cold and wet, and the last thing you want to do is go run or go. you know, go spend the time in that Uncomfortable mess, right? Just like it would be very uncomfortable to sit there and look at that food and not, and not eat it. I think. I think you're right. I think that those are the times where reminding yourself of your goal is so important and the why you're why has to be, of has to be very important. Your goal has to be very clear, and the process has to be a very clear , I know for a fact that I have to train and adverse conditions in order to be a very confident athlete if I only trained When the sun's out and it's calm and you know everything is perfect, I am not going to be confident when you know a little change happens in a competition because I just don't have the experience. So those those are the times where you really have to remind yourself why you're doing what you're doing, what your goals are, how clear that path is to the goals. And that has to be. That's where having a coach, that sort of walking you through this is so helpful. That's why people have nutrition coaches. you know, I think by in large people know what to eat. I don't think it's a mystery what a good diet looks like. I mean, granted, Some people really don't know. But But for the most part, people know what to eat. They know they're not going to eat 1/2 of a chocolate cake. They know that they're supposed to, you know, eat lean meats and vegetables and they know this, right? it's having some accountability, having someone that is there to push you. And I think that isn't it? Certainly not all of why I exist. But that is one slice of the pie. It's maybe it maybe 20% or at different times. It may be more, but definitely there are times where, you know, you are an accountability buddy, and it's It's like, Hey, you know, I really don't feel like practicing right now and like, I need someone to tell me. Hey, is this still what you want is this is the goal still what you want, and it has to come from you at the answer is yes. Then, yes, you need to go practice. But if the answer is no longer and that your goal has changed No, you don't have to And leaving that up to the athlete, right? Like I I'm gonna put it back on them every single time. Hey, is this still your goal? Okay. What did you say your process was? What do you think you need to do in order to reach the goal? Do you think that it makes sense to go practice right now? Yes or no? And then it's like, OK, well, you make that decision. I'm not making the decision for you. I'm just reminding you of your goal. And what you So you told me three weeks ago to get there? I didn't tell you. I don't even know gymnastics. Yeah, I don't even I don't even know what what sport you're in. So you need to tell me what the path is to get there now, i can extrapolated. And I know what it takes to become an elite athlete. But, you know, I'm gonna always put it back on the athlete.
Lynn: 49:03
I love that. Because when you do that, you are, you're they're not doing it for you Then they're doing it for themselves. And one of the things about mindset is we are often of two or even more mindes. You know, I've heard the same many times. Well, I'm of two minds. Part of me wants to have the cake. Part of me wants to be skinny. Any part of me wants to win the tournament. Part of me would really rather go drinking with my buddies. You know, the there's always those two parts. And in a way it's like as a coach, your higher self hires a reinforcement in you. You know, your clients are hiring you to be the good buddy for their higher self, so that that side has a little bit more impetus behind it. Then the side that wants to maybe not perform or not show up cause we all have those parts. And I don't think we talk about that as much. I don't think we need to necessarily talk about it as much as we need to just be aware of it
Chelsea: 50:06
Yes, and I think we're going through a time right now, you know, with the Corona virus where that is going to potentially show up for a lot of people. You know, I can sit on the couch and and and drink wine every night. I don't have to get up to go to work in the morning. I can you know, the refrigerator is right there all day. nobody has any sports competitions for a while. I don't have to train really hard right now, because, like all colleges right now are are out. Nobody will have anything until the fall at the very earliest. So, you know, I have the opportunity to really, really lax right now and and think that I could I can catch up and it'll be okay. and so I think right now is a time where there are gonna be some people that come out of this, better than they were. There are gonna be some people that are very disciplined and see this as a huge opportunity for growth in their sport and also in mind set. And then there are also some people that are going to, are going to really lax And really, on listen to the voice that saying it's okay. Sit on the couch. You have four months until your next competition. You know, water skiers have no idea when their next competition is right now, so it's It's a, it's definitely a time where things can go either way. But if you look at it like, hey, I could potentially take a major leap right now. I could potentially take a major jump right now. This is a time for the changing of the guards. Potentially. if I do the right things because I do have more time, I do have more time to put into my mindset and grow from grow in a mental from a mental perspective. And maybe you even have more time for your sport, depending on what your sport is. Some people in gyms and things can't get in the gyms well, and you're gonna have to get creative. But there are definitely ways you can grow in your mind set, no matter what sport you're in. or no matter what field of work that you're in, you can grow as a person right now exponentially if you because everybody has more time right now.
Lynn: 52:44
And it really does reveal who you're doing something for. You know, you you talked about the big Why about why somebody is doing something. And I am almost sure that you have run into athletes who are doing their sport because their parents wanted them to as opposed to that. This is their true passion. And times like this will definitely show that, you know, you pull back the covers on that, and I'm sure So how would you, how do you guide somebody sort of back to themselves when they when they discover that not only are they looking for love in all the wrong places, but they're also doing things for all the wrong reasons.
Chelsea: 53:25
yeah, we we cover that and make sure that the, we ask, what are your reasons? Why are you in this sport? And if they give reasons that would apply to any sport, we asked why, what a specific to this sport. What is it about this sport specifically that you love? And so we do make sure that that, that is coming from them. And, not that this is something that, is by any stretch required and many in winning mindset. But it is something that is a component that can can be a big deal if the athlete wants it To, and sometimes I may just test the waters just to see sometimes if it's not mentioned, but faith can be a big, component to this, and I can, something. That's where I'll ask things like, you know, what has God given you The passion for what has God laid on your heart to make a difference in this world. For what, what do you what in you're like, what's in your deepest desires? Because that's where what that is from God, by your deepest heart desires are from God. So, you know, he made each one of us individual, on and just so unique. And so I think we all have special gifts, and we need to pay attention to those. So sometimes I will bring that up if I think the time is right. but not always. Depends on it, really is. It depends on the person, but that can be a huge factor, but we do talk about why, Why you love the sport. What's what. What is it specifically? I mean, I was talking with a tennis player the other day and we were talking about, just being being in outside and in nature was, like, huge for her. So, on then we're talking about the sensation of the ball in the middle of the strings and that Like spring Oh, how how awesome that feels. And and And it was a release also for her because she felt like she could just bang away and just get out, like a lot of tension. And And those are things that are, that are specific to tennis, Right? that you're not You can't get the at release in water skiing if you go out and you try to fight with the boat, right, you're you're probably not going to do very well. or but But at the same time, it does carry over to like what I love about water skiing is just I'm on top of the water. Like, how cool is that in and of itself? Just being on top of the water,, is like, amazing to me. And then the adrenaline of it in the speed of it, those air those are the things that I love. The adrenaline and speed is something that I don't know. Another sport. I can I can't think of another sport that I can get that in. And so that's inherent. That's specific to water skiing, right?
Lynn: 57:09
It's so addictive. Yeah, it is the most addictive feeling. Well, you you are an elite athlete and you have you kinda came into water. Skiing as an elite Tennis player in tennis coach, But you started water skiing a little bit late. And yet here you are, number eight in the world, Which, according to the rules of water skiing, if you didn't start doing this when you were a kid at your stage of life, you're not number eight in the world. And yet and you're competing against almost, I would venture to guess I haven't studied the list lately, But I know a lot of these people, that have been skiing their whole lives. And you have really had a very steep and impressive learning curve. How the heck, Chelsea, have you done that? Like what has been secret t getting from, you know, you started, I think at the same time or after me. And there's no way I'm anywhere near your younger I'll give you that. But I didn't have the determination. So what is it that brought you to this place in water skiing
Chelsea: 58:12
Well, I would say Number one is a lot of failure. just so much failure. So many falls. So many out the fronts. Charleston used to joke around that the tournament wasn't over until I went out the front.Well, it would always put me last because I would go out the front in the tournament and I would want to ski after that. So I would be done with my tournament round, and I would be like, Well, I want to practice now. And I knew I would go. I knew I was gonna go out the front. We all knew that was gonna happen. And then they everybody knew that I would want to keep skiing because, you know, I'm stubborn. I don't know. I think I just love water skiing. That's number one. So the base of everything is that I loved it, . It was my first love before tennis because I knew how to get up on a ski when I was younger. I didn't want anything else. I knew how to get out, though. and that was when I was at summer camp, so I had to get up on a ski at summer camp. and that was my favorite thing in the world. So having a true love for the sport, And then, our sport is very addictive so that the addictive nature of the sport getting one more buoy and knowing, knowing you can get one more Buoy and so that that was addicting to me. , And then just how I got to where I got I There was a lot of factors of ton of help from a lot of key people meeting God putting some of the right people in my path like Jeff Gilbert, has basically been my, you know, he's my boyfriend, But also just who has taught me basically almost everything I know. Other people have sort of taken me under their wing like Andy Mapple did for several years. so I learned a lot from him. Jack Travers early on, taught me a lot. there have been some key people Chris and Jen LaPoint have really taken me under their wing in recent years., and done so so so much for me. , so So there's no way I would be where I am without the help. And I'm missing probably 100 people. But there's nowhere I would be where I am without help of the right people without failing a ton and without loving the sport
Lynn: 1:0:59
I love that you started with. It was a lot of failures in a lot of falls, because, somewhere early in my life, I began to measure my success. I remember doing this in the roller skating rink by how many times I didn't fall so I'd get home from going out Roller skating was five years old, six years old, whatever with my mom. And I'd come in and be Mom. I didn't fall ever. I never fell. Well, I also kind of never got better. And when that became my measuring stick, it meant that it shrank my world to that which I could already do. Rather than what I couldn't quite yet do because I was willing to fall. So where did you find the resilience and the fortitude to allow failure to teach you rather than to crush you?
Chelsea: 1:1:50
well, I I guess in all of that falling, I was improving. so I was able to see you know, our sport. Water skiing is funny because in slalom, you either you end your set with either failing your missing almost every single time.
Lynn: 1:2:13
That is likely, right? By definition, you go until you fail.
Chelsea: 1:2:16
Yes. I mean, it's a very weird sport, in and of itself. So redefining. what was success very early for me was important because, inherently in our sport, we fail every day, every set unless you just stay at a pass that you know how to run and run it over and over and over. so I think that I am very early on realized I need to redefine success, and understand that I'm going to fall and fail every set and that that is clearly what we do, And seeing seeing some of the best in the world. And being around that and seeing oh, everyone does this, everyone fails and falls, every set. And so first redefining that, And then, you know, I just I guess I didn't have fear. I think the biggest thing I see with skiers in particular is fear. So fear of the wakes. and fear of taking those falls. So I think once I took about 1000 of them, I wasn't, You know, the first couple times you go out the front door or fall and and you you tumble like that. It's scary. and it still can be scary at times. I don't go out the front, hardly ever anymore. But, you know, it's it's scary, but once it happens a few times, it's like, OK, I'm still okay and let's keep going And I'm you know, all right, that was too far. , are learning from that and you think even even some of the falls were kind of fun. It's like you just like flying off the ski, and I mean, I kind of thought it was a rush. So I guess my interpretation of it was was a was that it was a rush to fall versus a negative event, and I think that's that's a key. Is is reinterpreting so reinterpreting success and reinterpreting, the fall as more of a rush than a failure. Yes, it was failure, but it was like, Oh, that was fun. so you know, it's the same thing as the elite athlete viewing, nerves as something that pumps them up and cites them up versus nerves. so I think just the way I defined it in my head Was that it was a rush versus it was a horrible then I never viewed it as a horrible event
Lynn: 1:5:12
that Chelsea that is so profound because it's about the narrative, the story you tell about it. It's not the thing itself. Exactly. It's the thing you said about it. And of course I showed you what my five year old brain thought, and that's been very hard for me to overcome because I don't like to fall. I still don't like to foll in water skiing when I took my rowing show out, the second time I ever tried to go out, I couldn't think I actually had the oars in wrong. I didn't know it at the time, but when I went to reach for them, I just, you know, went into the water. And of course I wasn't wearing a wetsuit because I didn't think I was going in the water and it's cold. So there was no rowing that day. but But I can tell you when I go out rolling. And when I go out skiing, I am trying not to fall. And yeah, that is absolutely a governor on, because I'm because I am taking that story. it is a governor on my learning curve. It's mine's gonna be much shallower, much more baby steps much longer. And probably not with the same end state is yours his head. Because I'm just not willing to fall.
Chelsea: 1:6:21
Yeah, I think that would potentially need to be re defined in your head as, like, as not a bad thing. Yeah, when
Lynn: 1:6:30
you're, you know, up I, Drive Austin, abel Austin, who trains at a very high level thanks to Jeff helping me learn to drive skiers at his level.
Chelsea: 1:6:38
You're a fantastic driver.
Lynn: 1:6:40
Thank you. Ah, Austin seems to think so as well. But what's interesting is, I think, pretty much, you know, he's into 41 off almost every single day and almost every single day. That ends with a fault. In fact, I can't think of a time when he doesn't end his set like he you know, he's either in the water or and he's building buoy by buoy, Over the years we've worked together. he's continued to get better and better, but he does end every set with with a fall, I can tell you I don't.
Chelsea: 1:7:10
Yeah, yeah. We were talking earlier. About what are some of the things that you see or that you might not see on athlete do, that's actually impacting their performance. But you're not realizing it. So something that I stole actually from Austin, is, , having some confidence anchors or what I call them on your ski so that could be on your tennis racket. Or it could be on your stick or whatever it is that you are is your equipment for your sports. If you're a runner, it could be written on your arm. So, I remember for a while Austin had written on his ski attack into two. So attack into two ball so as a left foot forward are two fours oftentimes, you know, the weaker side turned so him writing attack into two. Now that's something is sort of funny story. I gave this tip too, one of our more novice skiers at Lapointe Ski Park, and she said,, she said I'm just getting so confused. I'm thinking all these things. I'm thinking one thing about round one balland one thing around, too. And I said, Okay, well, are you looking at Did you read your ski? And she said, Yeah, I tried to read it around one, and then I tried to read it around, two, and I said, No, you're not supposed to read your ski while you're skiing, you know? And so I said, no. You want to read your ski in between your passes, and so it's a right before you go ski, you're reading attack into two. or whatever the case may be, whatever your confidence anchor is while you're reading it right before and then that's something that you would never see right? If you were watching somebody compete, you would never actually know that they looked at that and that they had that keyword reminder of attack. But they did, and you didn't. You just didn't know it. , so in the moment you can get frazzled the winds doing this, the boat drivers trying to talk to me, you know, or different scenarios. And you can forget your keys. And so right before you get pulled out of the water and you read your ski, there's your confidence anchor. You know exactly what you're gonna go do. Even though you just had a whole You just had a whole lot of distraction before that. Yeah, so that's just an example. That's something that I think, that's something that I for water skiing. Specifically I stole from Austin, but, I mean, I put them on a tennis racket, put it on, put it on your arm If your runner put it on, anything, anything that if you're a soccer player, you write down your keys, on your wrist or something like that. So
Lynn: 1:10:29
Well, it's interesting, because what you're hitting on and I I have this good fortune to get to train with Austin, is he is out there both competing and coaching. And what that causes him had to have to do is do kind of what I think of his double loop learning, which is not only be able to do the thing, but to be able to describe the thing in a way that we can do something about that and for all its, simplicity. Water skiing is also complex. But if you can, if you could boil it down to something like a simple anchor remembered attack into two or whatever your key might be for Me it's often long arms. And what that means is, if my arms are long, it means there solid through the wakes. And they're also I'm actually reaching instead of doing a little t-rex, reach. , and so something super simple. And yet, you know, based on what might be complex principles of fluid dynamics. And that's one of the things I really appreciate. Working with Austin is I watch is he develops a new concept, and he's constantly learning, just like you guys are constantly building his skills is how do I take those this thing that I'm trying to work my way through and then make it something accessible to everybody else,
Chelsea: 1:11:47
right? Yes. And often what he's working on needs to be said in a completely different way to someone else because they're just not ready for potentially what he's actually working on. yeah, but I mean it. This is something that you could use on, just made me think of like you're riding. You know, you could put something on the saddle right in front of, you know,, like you said, relaxing your back
Lynn: 1:12:17
Well, it's funny you said that I immediately thought the most core thing is relaxed my back,
Chelsea: 1:12:23
right. So, like, why not have that written down right in front of you on the horse somehow? So that you don't have to have the reminder from someone else like taking an accountability in your own, in your own growth as the athlete. I think we we actually as a society and as athletes just everywhere have become actually way too reliant on coaching from other people, for technique, because we need to become like I said, some more self aware of what works for us and that maybe is pointed out initially by a coach. But once it's pointed out initially, now it becomes it needs to become your responsibility. And now you take ownership in that piece of it so that they can move on and look for other things instead of instead of being the one that's always having to remind you of the same thing.
Lynn: 1:13:36
What you're hitting on something about coaching. I think it's really worth calling out, which is the thing I love. And this is my intention for all of my clients is that they no longer need me for what they came to me for as soon as possible. That does not mean that we don't continue to work together because there's they're stacking. We start with this is what you came to me for, and then we build to the next level into the next. But the things that a coach can help somebody get, they can have for life and then you. Now that that's yours. It's almost like when you climb a mountain, you know, I live in the mountains of western North Carolina. We see this a lot. We think we're we've reached a pinnacle and we get up to this place That was our goal, and we discovered that we're not even halfway there. There's a whole nother mountain past that, and then a whole nother mountain past that and in a lot of ways To me. Coaching means that you get you get to keep those gains for the rest of your life. what's whatever skills, whatever tools you develop under pressure are yours to own. But you need to own those and keep those. And then if you want to go to another level, by all means hire a coach to get you to that next level. But don't hurt Coach too. Basically become a nag and keep you at the same level for the rest of your life.
Chelsea: 1:14:53
Yes. Ah, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. I couldn't agree more.
Lynn: 1:14:57
Yeah, so one of the things I always liked as we're wrapping up a podcast, I always like to ask my guests. You know, one of several questions and the question I think people are gonna really love to hear from you is, as a coach of mindset as an elite athlete yourself as somebody who's really thinking about this and caring about this in a really deep level, what would you most ask of people listening for them to try for themselves? What requests would you have of my audience?
Chelsea: 1:15:32
Okay, I would say be open To, working on your mind set and viewing it as something that all athletes need a knot, that you have a problem. I think a lot of a lot of athletes are like thinking, Oh, I would only go to a sports psychologist if I felt like I have an issue or if I felt like I had a problem. and that's, that is I don't think the right mindset about it, because it's really a total package. and you need to have so many different components, and it is a continuous journey. If working on mindset was only for the athletes that had a problem, then why do all the professional athletes have mindset coaches?
Lynn: 1:16:32
Exactly. Most people you know those things, for one thing, but I do feel like a lot of people. For some reason, when it comes to mental anything, whether you think of it is mental health or mental training or mental tools. There's a stigma that should not be there, and it's like my stigma about falling and the fact that you were willing to use failure. It's like the story I tell about the falling is the problem. The story people tell about needing mindset coaches is the problem. It's not that, you know there isn't a stigma to it. You've attached that stigma to it and maybe other people do, too. But you can be strong enough to overcome that.
Chelsea: 1:17:11
Yeah, for sure. And I think a lot of times the athlete just doesn't know what to do. So, we talk about mindset. I think most athletes would agree there there, sport is, you know, whenever I asked people. Okay, How much is how much of your sport is mental and how much of your sport is physical? I typically get answers between 50 and 90%. So Yes, your mindset is between 50 and 90%. And so then you ask them how much are you training on each of those aspects? And typically it's a reverse relationship like it's their actually spending, you know, 90% of the time on physical training and 10% on mental, and then that the 10% is generous. Typically, that's, like, 0 to 10. So, so I would say be open to, to mindset training. And, if you don't know where to go course, you know, of course, I am an outlet for that. There are many. There are different people doing it, but, I think a difference in what in what we do it winning mindset is that we are sports specific. So we have different, different sports., so there's a sports specific, mindset training for swimming and for golf and for tennis. And, I'm actually working on the one for water skiing. So there's all these different, actually sports specific ones in our company. But I would just say, you know, even if it's not with us, just that is, huge for your growth as an athlete to become, the best that, that you could be so that that's huge.
Lynn: 1:19:14
That's huge. So tell me, how can people find you Chelsea? Because I know for sure somebody's gonna listen to this and want to reach out to you and find out what it would be like to have this kind of coaching or what kind of sport cut get specific. Coaching was offered and so forth. So how can people find you?
Chelsea: 1:19:32
Yeah, So, if you want to check out the website and you just want more information about our company, it's, like z winningmindset.com. you can reach me at Cheltenniski@gmail.com, So you cannot
Lynn: 1:19:59
have this in the show notes, of course. And how bad you have like Facebook, instagram Twitter or you want any of that?
Chelsea: 1:20:05
Yeah, I have instagram cheltennisski Is my name on instagram? I'm, Chelsea Mills on, Facebook. I'm not on Twitter. I'm not not dialing on it either. Yeah, but I But I'm on the others. and yeah, I'm pretty, winning mindsets also on, on Facebook and instagram. ,as well right?
Lynn: 1:20:32
Well, that program is very intriguing to me. It sounds like it's really comprehensive. And what I like the most about it is it sounds like there it's a very empowering approach which I obviously hear very much in your way of talking about it as well. Which is the way I like to think about leadership and anything else is, you know, your job. My job is to bring the best out of the people we work with, not to somehow tell them what to do
Chelsea: 1:20:55
exactly. Yeah, but really try to get it to come from the athlete that's where you know that's where the art is. And that's where, having a mindset coach is very helpful because, like, you have during the last hour, you you sort of dig deeper and you ask you make sure you're asking some of the right questions and listening for the underlying message is that someone is, is saying and And that actually, usually is where the the most work is done when we when we figure out sort of what's going on underneath the surface of things. So that's that's very helpeful.
Lynn: 1:21:40
That's that's fantastic. Well, I can't thank you enough for taking the time out. I'm assuming you're going to go ski this afternoon or that later today. Is that
Chelsea: 1:21:48
Yeah, for sure. I'm planning on it. Yeah, I've got a video. Good
Lynn: 1:21:53
deal. Well, Chelsea, thank you so much for doing this. And I can't wait to see you on the shoreline when we can all get back together again.
Chelsea: 1:22:02
I know you two. Thank you so much for having Me Lynn. I'm a big fan of yours and you're great
Lynn: 1:22:07
Thanks. Thank you for listening to the creative spirits unleashed podcast. I started this podcast because I was having these great conversations and I wanted to share them with others. I'm always learning in these conversations, and I wanted to share that kind of learning with you. Now, what I need to hear from you is what you want more of and what you want less off. I really want these podcasts to be a value for the listeners. Also, if you happen to know someone who you think might love them, please share the podcast and, of course, subscribe and write it on the different APS that you're using, because that's how others will find it. Now, I hope you go and do something very fun today.
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