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Would you please welcome the head beard of a social media news live and he's Jeff C.
Speaker:You're not.
Speaker:Please welcome Mr. Jeff C. How are you, sir?
Speaker:Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker:Oh my gosh.
Speaker:Ladies and gentlemen, the beautiful, gorgeous gentleman in the center of your screen does
Speaker:a lot of things.
Speaker:And one of the, one of the things that I really enjoy about Jeff C. is the way he orchestrates
Speaker:a live show and a podcast and really kind of takes it as the center of one thing and
Speaker:then pulls it apart and turns it into like hundreds of other things.
Speaker:And, you know, we, we try to do, we try to emulate a lot of things with content creators
Speaker:that we admire, Jeff being one of them.
Speaker:And so having him on our show for the second time is, is something that I'm, I'm stoked
Speaker:about.
Speaker:Jeff, I know you're, you're, you're starting a course for people for Descript to learn
Speaker:Descript, sort of a one-on-one, a one-oh-one I should say.
Speaker:And you know, really kind of like a beginner type of deal, right?
Speaker:And I think you being someone that has started live streaming before the webcam was even
Speaker:invented and, and doing this for so long, sometimes you forget, right?
Speaker:There's this thing called a curse of knowledge where you, you, you have all of this technique
Speaker:and all of this, you know, all this stuff that you've done over the years and you just
Speaker:kind of assume everybody knows everything.
Speaker:And you know, now you're in this situation where you're years along and there has been
Speaker:changes, but there's some things that really haven't changed about live streaming and putting
Speaker:together a show and putting it together a podcast.
Speaker:So someone who is just getting into this thing and they see all of this stuff and they
Speaker:see what Jeff C's doing, what Monty Weaver's doing, what Jim Fuse is doing, what all these
Speaker:people are doing, Ross Brand is now in the, in the, in the chat on, on Facebook as well.
Speaker:So when we put aside the curse of knowledge and we say to someone, hey, here's where you
Speaker:start.
Speaker:Here's, here's where you start.
Speaker:Here's the first thing you need to think about doing before you put together the Jeff C tree
Speaker:you got to start with these seeds.
Speaker:What would that be?
Speaker:Just so I, so I, you know, I talk about Google plus a lot, but I also talk about on my show
Speaker:is Lou Mungiello and momentum.
Speaker:And I have this on my desk.
Speaker:He gives this little challenge coin when you, when you go to his conference and I've been
Speaker:lucky enough to speak there a couple, a couple of times, but on the back of it, it says this
Speaker:little quote, it says the way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing.
Speaker:And that's by Walt Disney.
Speaker:That's one of the things that I think that, you know, we can get hung up on gear and I
Speaker:know I did nothing.
Speaker:You know, you want to wait till everything's perfect.
Speaker:You got enough time and all that stuff.
Speaker:You just got to do it.
Speaker:Like even if you just, I mean, there's nothing wrong.
Speaker:Just start with your phone.
Speaker:Like, I wish I would have started a long time ago.
Speaker:So I think that's the biggest thing is just do it.
Speaker:Turn on the camera.
Speaker:Other things you're going to have to decide on what kind of show you're going to want
Speaker:to do.
Speaker:And that's just doing research.
Speaker:I typically like to do what you guys do is an interview show.
Speaker:I love doing interview shows or having somebody with me.
Speaker:Like when, when I've done shows, I've always had either people on there with me or when
Speaker:we first started social media is live.
Speaker:I had a gray stuffy as my cohost.
Speaker:We left another program and came and started doing our own.
Speaker:And so having that together where we can bounce back and forth when you're producing a show,
Speaker:it gives you a little bit of wiggle room.
Speaker:Like when you put me up full screen, you can look ahead at the comments and you can, you
Speaker:know, Jim's talking, you can be like making sure the stream is still going out and all
Speaker:that stuff.
Speaker:So that's the kind of show I like to do.
Speaker:Some people like to do like solo shows.
Speaker:Like you mentioned, Kurt Nuget, he does a solo show where he gets up and talks a lot
Speaker:of time and teaches.
Speaker:Bradley teaches is another one.
Speaker:Marshall Fox, who I'm going to have on my show tomorrow, does the same thing.
Speaker:He teaches, you know, he teaches live.
Speaker:That's fine if you want to do it for me.
Speaker:You just got to figure out what kind of show you want to do.
Speaker:So do research and then just study.
Speaker:Like if you're doing an interview show, I mean, I have had the best interviewer of all
Speaker:time in my opinion is Johnny Carson.
Speaker:And so there's a channel for free you can watch.
Speaker:That's all just Johnny Carson.
Speaker:And look how he asks questions.
Speaker:Look how he makes it entertaining.
Speaker:Look how he handles things when they don't go right, because they didn't go right a lot
Speaker:of times.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:And, you know, even today, you know, watch the late night hosts, how they're asking questions,
Speaker:the way they're bouncing things up.
Speaker:I know when I started social media news live, I looked at how you guys were doing things.
Speaker:I looked at your branding, how you were doing it, how you're doing the pattern interrupt
Speaker:on your short form stuff.
Speaker:So you want to do a lot of study in.
Speaker:Just don't click a button and go live, but study the things that then the people study
Speaker:the people that you want to be like, you don't want to rip them off, but you want to study
Speaker:those.
Speaker:Like I really wanted to do better at community.
Speaker:So I jumped in to lose group, which is all about community.
Speaker:He does it better than anybody I have known.
Speaker:E cams, their community is amazing the way they foster community.
Speaker:Most of the people they have working for them started in the community.
Speaker:So those are kind of the things that I would say, you know, do research, just do it, just
Speaker:go live, break things, and then just keep going and be consistent.
Speaker:Break things, break things.
Speaker:Catherine Lang, I don't even know how to pronounce this person's name, but every day you put
Speaker:you will be more or less of something else.
Speaker:It will never be perfect, but you'll never get closer to perfect until you start.
Speaker:That's great.
Speaker:That's great.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:What another quote that I love is by John a Cuffee says, like, um, what is it?
Speaker:Uh, 8% and 80% perfect and shared with the world always changes more lives than 100%
Speaker:perfect and stuck in your head.
Speaker:So that's one of the things I really like.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think you said something early there, Jeff.
Speaker:You talked about, you know, you prefer a show to where you've got somebody else to bounce
Speaker:some things off of and, you know, that's, that's what the show is, you know, and, and
Speaker:Jim has another show that he does with, uh, with Tim zone.
Speaker:Typically, I know Tim took the last month or so off, but you know, it's one of those
Speaker:things where if you just go solo, that is, that can be very, especially for someone who's
Speaker:just starting out, that is super, super intimidating.
Speaker:So it was one of those things where I think right now I could go solo and, and kind of
Speaker:work my way through it, I guess.
Speaker:But Jim and I, when we decided we wanted to do this show, you know, being able to work
Speaker:together and surround yourself with another person or other people who can help you through
Speaker:that, who can help sharpen the irons and, and just kind of like, you know, be honest
Speaker:with each other too.
Speaker:I think this is, don't you think it's important that you surround yourself with someone that's
Speaker:not just going to tell you what you want to know?
Speaker:Yeah, I should say I got some, I have a lot of friends that'll, they'll just tell me like,
Speaker:no, that's stupid.
Speaker:No, that color looks bad.
Speaker:That's that color for you.
Speaker:That logo.
Speaker:No, don't talk about Eric Fisher that way.
Speaker:Yeah, that's such, you know, and I tell this story in one of my talks where when I was
Speaker:first doing the Manly Pinterest tips and I had it as a, it's, it's got my beard on it's
Speaker:an old, it's an old one, but I use it for my podcast and it, um, it was blue, but it
Speaker:was like, if you were slowly choking a Smurf, it'd be that kind of color.
Speaker:It was horrible and hideous.
Speaker:And my friend, at least I said it to her and I, my friend, Lisa Meredith says, no, that's
Speaker:horrible.
Speaker:You can't use that.
Speaker:I'm like, okay.
Speaker:And so having those types of friends, yes, you're right.
Speaker:It's very, very important that, you know, you have those types of people who will speak
Speaker:truth when it sucks.
Speaker:The other thing I would say is, is practice.
Speaker:Like there's a lot of people who I would go like, they practice like what button to press.
Speaker:I would practice like, because there's so many things to do and it's easy to be overwhelmed
Speaker:when you finally hit that live button is I would sit there and practice putting, you
Speaker:know, pushing the buttons.
Speaker:And I have a way I set up my, my stream deck that I can almost do it without looking at
Speaker:it anymore, but practice, bring up those lower thirds or switching cameras.
Speaker:Like Chris just did practice that you can go live in a private Facebook group and see
Speaker:how it looks later.
Speaker:I would practice.
Speaker:I would sit there and practice and think about, okay, if my internet connection dies, what
Speaker:am I going to do?
Speaker:Because it will happen.
Speaker:I mean, it will.
Speaker:It's just things are, I'd tell another story where the, I mean, I had cashed in all my,
Speaker:it was way back in the beginning in the Google plus days drink that I cashed in.
Speaker:It was my first big guest and I got Guy Kawasaki.
Speaker:He didn't know me at all.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:At all.
Speaker:And so I just, I had got everything ready.
Speaker:I was all set.
Speaker:It was like my first solo show.
Speaker:Like it was the first time I did, I think Manly Pinchers Tips by myself.
Speaker:And I had a water bottle and it was one of those, this isn't it, but it was a plastic
Speaker:one and I had, he was in the green room and I'm getting ready to go live and I went and
Speaker:hit the side of my desk with it and the whole bottom fell out.
Speaker:And so my entire, all this ice water drained into my crotch and hey, we're live, cave,
Speaker:you know?
Speaker:And so I'm doing the entire show with ice water underpants.
Speaker:And so it was just, it was, I was very alert, but those things will happen.
Speaker:They will happen and you need to be prepared for it because, you know, and once so many
Speaker:bad things have happened to you, nothing really phases you anymore.
Speaker:Like I have lost power, like complete power.
Speaker:You know, the alarms are going off and I knew what to do.
Speaker:I knew how to restart the show, get a new key, you know, and not panic and know that
Speaker:you are going to panic the first couple of times it happens.
Speaker:You are, you're going to just, oh my gosh, what happened?
Speaker:I lost my guess, you know, and you'll learn how to go on without a guess because I've
Speaker:had to before as well.
Speaker:So it's just,
Speaker:Yeah, that reminds me and Chris probably remembers New Year's, like the New Year's 2023 show
Speaker:for the Tim and Jim show.
Speaker:I was producing and had not thought to like, Oh, Tim should be in as well.
Speaker:And we had like a, just a quick power surge and Troy Sandage was like big on screen and
Speaker:everybody else is small and my internet and everything is out and not like I'm trying
Speaker:to reboot.
Speaker:I have no way to call anybody for like a few minutes.
Speaker:And so I finally, you know, got back up probably, I don't know, it seemed like forever, maybe
Speaker:it was 10 minutes, but it's just that whole thing of, or at least I don't think anybody
Speaker:panicked.
Speaker:I'm like the next person to speak.
Speaker:But what I did do is I was like, all right, I went and bought these like surge protectors
Speaker:that run a battery and I put it on all my stuff.
Speaker:So even at a minimum, my internet and everything will run for a few minutes if something like
Speaker:that were to happen again, because you just, you know, you just never know.
Speaker:And so you learn these things.
Speaker:Is that surge protector available in the carousel on Amazon right now?
Speaker:Maybe we should add it.
Speaker:It should.
Speaker:Right down here.
Speaker:Get it everyone.
Speaker:So another piece of advice that I would say, and it's not one that I don't think a lot
Speaker:of people think about, but anytime your camera is on, act like it's live because somebody
Speaker:can be recording it or you can actually be, so it comes from a story I had a friend of
Speaker:mine on, they were co-hosting and the show's over.
Speaker:Thanks everybody.
Speaker:Appreciate you, you know, share it out to everybody.
Speaker:And then I said, okay, the show's over and we start talking and we started talking smack
Speaker:about somebody that we shouldn't have.
Speaker:And, and it was like, and we were doing it for like 15 minutes, like, and then somebody,
Speaker:I saw a comment comes on like, Hey, do you guys know you're still alive?
Speaker:I'm like, holy crap.
Speaker:So I was able to get it and pull it down really quickly.
Speaker:And that person we were talking smack about never found out, but always treat your live
Speaker:when you're talking to somebody like pre-show or after the show, always treat it like you're
Speaker:going out to everyone.
Speaker:So just from, and don't talk smack about people.
Speaker:That's just not nice.
Speaker:Yes, that should, that should.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean, that's, that's search your right there.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So Catherine says once everything that could go wrong has gone wrong, you don't worry when
Speaker:something goes wrong.
Speaker:That's good.
Speaker:I like that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And usually when something goes wrong and you're freaking out, it's not the end of the world
Speaker:either.
Speaker:Like you're gonna, you're not gonna die if your power goes out and your live stream goes
Speaker:down.
Speaker:No, you're not.
Speaker:You're not gonna die.
Speaker:Denise says you need a surge pants protector.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:We'll add that to the carousel.
Speaker:I just need one normally.
Speaker:I think it's the brand name is called depends.
Speaker:I just wear them all the time now.
Speaker:And so Ross brand locked himself out before a show and had to break in to get to the show
Speaker:on time.
Speaker:That's an amazing story.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:That's funny.
Speaker:Ross crawling through a window trying to get to his live show.
Speaker:That just is funny.
Speaker:Powers of marketing in the house.
Speaker:Megan Powers, thanks for joining us over on the YouTubes.
Speaker:And if anyone's joining us from any of the other places, it's fine.
Speaker:Hang out there if you want.
Speaker:But if you want to come over to Amazon, just go to dealcasters.live.
Speaker:And speaking of Amazon, Jeff, social media news live as long as I think that's still
Speaker:the name.
Speaker:It's strange.
Speaker:As soon as I get all the assets together, you know how that is.
Speaker:When you're trained to change something and doing a little bit of rebrand, same kind of
Speaker:show, same kind of flow.
Speaker:But we are going to change the brand.
Speaker:It needs a refresh.
Speaker:So that's what I'm doing.
Speaker:I've said this before and I meet it and you know it.
Speaker:I think it's my favorite show.
Speaker:My favorite live show on the Internet.
Speaker:It really it is.
Speaker:And it's and there's a lot of different reasons.
Speaker:It's not just because, you know, I sort of know you and we've seen each other at conferences
Speaker:and have sort of that social media connection and all of that stuff.
Speaker:But I think the show is really, really interesting and it helps me and it serves me.
Speaker:And I think when we talk about people that, you know, just need to get started like you're
Speaker:talking about, I think one of the other things you got to realize is you got to know who
Speaker:you're talking to.
Speaker:When you know who you're talking to, then you know the kind of people you can bring
Speaker:on as guests because those people will help you to help them, to help the people that
Speaker:have issues.
Speaker:There's lots of times you'll have a guest on the tell me again, the guy who does Magi.
Speaker:Oh, Dustin.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And like all the stuff that, you know, all of your guests talk about are it's like sometimes
Speaker:It doesn't relate specifically to me because it may be like a social media platform that
Speaker:I don't do, but they have elements that are evergreen across multiple platforms.
Speaker:It's maybe specific related to Instagram or maybe specific related to Pinterest or specific
Speaker:related to creating a course or something like that.
Speaker:But there's always some really interesting things that you can pull out and you do a
Speaker:really good job of including the community.
Speaker:How would you work with or, you know, kind of tell somebody who's getting started?
Speaker:What are some key sort of tactical things that you could do when you're putting together
Speaker:a show like you do in order to pull in that community?
Speaker:So one of the things that I try to be really, I just built this kind of my core strategy
Speaker:is like, it's not about me.
Speaker:I mean, and I hope that people can see that I am so excited.
Speaker:I mean, Friday is my favorite day because I get to talk to people and bring people in
Speaker:and introduce new people to my audience.
Speaker:And I love it because I get to just talk with them.
Speaker:And I luckily that people think that the questions I ask are something that they find interesting
Speaker:because I really enjoy it.
Speaker:But I make it about my guests.
Speaker:It is always about my guests.
Speaker:In fact, if you look at my repurpose, which I do a lot of repurposing of my show, I'm
Speaker:not really on it.
Speaker:It's usually a question that they are answering.
Speaker:And to me, what that does, it lets me get really great guests because they know that
Speaker:it's not about me.
Speaker:It's about me.
Speaker:It'll be their show and I'm focused on them.
Speaker:And I repurpose it a ton.
Speaker:And that also, I don't have a hard time getting guests because they know it's going to be
Speaker:about them.
Speaker:We've all seen those shows that you can tell that the host is just waiting for the guests
Speaker:to stop talking so they can talk.
Speaker:So they can pitch their services or whatever, or always bring it back to them.
Speaker:I really don't want that at all.
Speaker:And you mentioned the community and we have such a great community over there.
Speaker:So I have three sections to my show most every time.
Speaker:And I have five questions that I come up before the show that I send to my guests for each
Speaker:of those sections.
Speaker:But I tell my guests, we may not get to any of these or it might bounce around because
Speaker:I will pull in my community's comments before I'll go to my questions because I want it
Speaker:to be about the community.
Speaker:And in fact, what I've done, and this is one of the things we kind of talked about earlier
Speaker:about being able to switch and having a partner so you can bounce around and kind of keep
Speaker:things going, is that if there's a question that I was going to ask but I see that my
Speaker:community has asked something similar, I'll pull that one in instead and not ask mine
Speaker:because I want it to be their avatar on screen.
Speaker:I want it to be their comment.
Speaker:People don't realize how I think people will wait to the end of the show because they won't
Speaker:have a chance to have their question answered.
Speaker:I think that's kind of a strategy you can use in your live show.
Speaker:They know that if they ask a question, I'm going to try to answer it.
Speaker:I think it gets people coming back and people commenting.
Speaker:And in fact, people will actually take screenshots of their question and post it to Instagram
Speaker:or to the socials or to Twitter.
Speaker:Gary Stockton does that all the time.
Speaker:He'll take a screenshot of his question being asked or answered and then post it to different
Speaker:places.
Speaker:So it's just a cool thing.
Speaker:People love to see their face on screen and I try to do that as much as I can.
Speaker:Now, Jeff, I remember like one of the first times I saw you speak, which was I believe
Speaker:2018 at Social Media Marketing World.
Speaker:You were talking at that point really about much more about like visual stuff, fonts and
Speaker:colors and that.
Speaker:When did you like really get more into doing this video stuff?
Speaker:You know, because I think one thing that I think is encouraging and I know Chris and
Speaker:I talk about this because Chris hasn't like, which people may not believe, Chris hasn't
Speaker:been a video editor all of his life.
Speaker:He's just put the work in.
Speaker:And I think you as well.
Speaker:I mean, when did you really kind of fall in love with this idea of creating or I guess
Speaker:doing video editing?
Speaker:So I've been doing video editing since like that's the first thing I started with my company.
Speaker:I was doing corporate videos back with the mini DV tapes.
Speaker:Remember those?
Speaker:Oh my gosh.
Speaker:Before even solid state drives.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So I was doing it with that.
Speaker:I had like I would one of my services that I would offer was the remember the CD-ROM
Speaker:business cards that you could have like your business card and you would give it to people
Speaker:and it would spin in the disk and then make a presentation.
Speaker:So I would do those.
Speaker:I actually had a machine, a robotic machine that would take it and duplicate it and then
Speaker:print it.
Speaker:You know, so I did that for a while.
Speaker:I think I've been doing video since like Premiere 2 came out.
Speaker:I mean, I remember when I got a big brick of a hard drive and it was like 380 megs and
Speaker:I was like, yes, I'll never need it and any more space, you know.
Speaker:And but that, of course, so I've been doing video for a long time.
Speaker:So it's always been part of my backbone.
Speaker:And then when live video came out with like Google Hangouts on air and I don't know why
Speaker:they dropped the ball on that because they were, you know, you had comment tracker, you
Speaker:could bring in comments back then.
Speaker:And so having that engagement, one, I'm just kind of lazy.
Speaker:And if you do video, you have all this stuff that you can repurpose afterwards.
Speaker:Like you have a podcast, you can have a blog post, you can have all these clips now on
Speaker:social media.
Speaker:So it's always kind of been kind of the backbone of it.
Speaker:And I am not a trained designer.
Speaker:When I worked for a company, there's a designer who kind of took me under his wing and he
Speaker:was really good and taught me a lot of stuff.
Speaker:And I'm still, I don't consider myself a designer at all, but I enjoy dabbling, I guess.
Speaker:But I really like the visual aspect of everything video and then, you know, animation and all
Speaker:sorts of all that kind of stuff is just always fascinating.
Speaker:You know, and I'm going to kind of take a bit of a left turn here because it's just
Speaker:this, this conversation reminds me because we're, we're going in the way back machine
Speaker:and we're talking about floppy disks and all of that.
Speaker:Google Plus.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Hang on.
Speaker:Let me take another drink here.
Speaker:Google Plus tastes, tastes goes down, goes down nice.
Speaker:So the future and it, you know, I mean, the latest, I don't know if you saw the TikTok
Speaker:of Mike Alton on the Agora Pulse thing and it's this AI TikTok that they did and it's
Speaker:fantastic.
Speaker:So shout out to the Agora Pulse team for putting that thing.
Speaker:But like, there's just so much right now, this booming, you know, just slap AI, slap
Speaker:that sticker on everything.
Speaker:It's like, it's like, you remember when albums were coming out and they'd slap the parental
Speaker:advisory thing on it and that it sold more because it had the parental, now just slap
Speaker:the AI onto anything.
Speaker:Oh, this is AI.
Speaker:That's like, well, it didn't used to be, but we're calling it that.
Speaker:But anyway, I think, you know, you were on Ian Anderson, Grey's show recently and they
Speaker:were talking about the future of live streaming and it relates to the community aspect of
Speaker:what we talked about earlier.
Speaker:And I wanted to really kind of let you kind of speak to that because I think we're all
Speaker:just super nerdy about everything.
Speaker:Descript and all of these AI tools and chat GPT and we're using all the things.
Speaker:But there's a lot of things that I think related to the future that don't have to do with AI
Speaker:that AI can't do.
Speaker:And I wanted to kind of like get your take on the future as it relates to AI and video
Speaker:and live streaming.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So first of all, I agree with you with AI being slapped on everything.
Speaker:You know, my Instapod is going to have AI enabled.
Speaker:You know, like they have Wi-Fi on your fridge now.
Speaker:And I mean, it'll cover AI refrigerators.
Speaker:So the I am excited.
Speaker:One there's a couple of reasons for AI.
Speaker:I mean, I know it's scary.
Speaker:Like if I was a copywriter or even an agency, I'd be a little nervous because it is replacing
Speaker:it's going to replace some jobs and it's not.
Speaker:I mean, as of now, I mean, humans are better, right?
Speaker:But the sad thing is companies will do like if it's okay and I don't have to hire somebody,
Speaker:that'll work.
Speaker:I mean, that's just the way a lot of companies operate.
Speaker:And I can see that's going to replace a lot of, you know, even social media managers,
Speaker:even stuff that I have done in the past, I think it's going to be replaceable.
Speaker:But for live video, I think it's going to really drive people to this stuff because
Speaker:for one, when they see the written word, they're going to be like, okay, it says it's not AI,
Speaker:but I don't know if I believe it or not.
Speaker:I don't know if I can trust the written word as much as I used to like blog posts and stuff
Speaker:like that.
Speaker:Plus it can be churned out.
Speaker:I mean, at just crazy rates right now.
Speaker:So I think people are going to be hungry for live video, especially for the community aspect
Speaker:of it because one, loneliness is at an epidemic.
Speaker:I mean, the Surgeon General even said something that released I think last month about it.
Speaker:And there's nothing, AI cannot replace me going in and going, Ross, I would love to
Speaker:have seen you locked out and the panic on your face on your show.
Speaker:And AI can't interact with the audience.
Speaker:I don't think it can ever do it to the way, you know, you might be having an avatar up
Speaker:there and you might be able to type something in and it might be able to read it back in
Speaker:a realistic way.
Speaker:But the interaction that we have and like we have is between you and Chris and I, that
Speaker:can't be, that just can't happen.
Speaker:You know, inside jokes, it's not going to know that our Google plus inside joke.
Speaker:So I just really think that people are going to be hungry for it and being able to engage
Speaker:in ways and be able to trust it.
Speaker:Like, who's going to AI this really?
Speaker:I mean, it's this weird look.
Speaker:I mean, no one's going to do that.
Speaker:So, I mean, it's just, it's going to be real.
Speaker:And I think people are going to hunger for the realness of conversations like this, interacting
Speaker:with the audience in ways that we, I mean, this, it's just amazing to me that this tool
Speaker:that we have now that we can go live and reach everywhere across the globe and talk to people.
Speaker:That's amazing.
Speaker:And people don't, we just go, oh, it's live video.
Speaker:Like this, I would have killed for this when I would have started out.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And then now we have this opportunity.
Speaker:And I think businesses are going to have to embrace it if they want to have a community
Speaker:and reach out to, you know, clients and leads.
Speaker:Jeff, Roberto Blake has said some stuff recently that is interesting.
Speaker:He actually thinks, and I think it's more his opinion, it's not necessarily something
Speaker:YouTube saying that actually like longer live streams are even going to do better.
Speaker:Like people are going to want to jump on these three, four hour live streams.
Speaker:And maybe that's the case because to your point, right, people want to have that interaction.
Speaker:What do you think about that?
Speaker:So even doing stuff for my show tomorrow with Marshall Fox, where he teaches, he actually
Speaker:does like live design, like he takes somebody's logo and revamps it live.
Speaker:I can see that kind of stuff like training and like working through and letting people
Speaker:see your process.
Speaker:I think that's going to be really cool.
Speaker:I think it's cool right now.
Speaker:I mean, have people watch my me carve wood over on Amazon like, and they'll comment and
Speaker:they like it.
Speaker:And it's because they see that it's real, it's tangible.
Speaker:And I guess it's a little bit relaxing for them.
Speaker:So I think that brands that embrace this and embrace it first and build that community
Speaker:now are going to be way ahead of the curve.
Speaker:Yeah, I think it's about about using it creatively, right?
Speaker:I just feel like, you know, I think about the way the music business went through the
Speaker:ebbs and flows when I was a part of it.
Speaker:And when digital music went nuts with with Napster, the companies like that I work for
Speaker:for major record labels were like, listen, it's a lower quality file.
Speaker:And people want to see the artwork and they want to listen to higher quality.
Speaker:And I'm like, listen, the kids, they don't care.
Speaker:They're trading their hard drives around.
Speaker:It's just like and so like, it's a until people finally said, hey, this is what the people
Speaker:want.
Speaker:Then finally, the major labels were like, okay, we have to figure out a way to monetize
Speaker:this.
Speaker:And I think, you know, they went through a whole like, you know, there was a whole 10
Speaker:years of ridiculousness until finally it was like, you know, we came out of it.
Speaker:And I think with AI, everything is happening so quickly and there's so many things and
Speaker:there's so much stuff happening.
Speaker:It's just a matter of like, hang on and utilize it.
Speaker:And if you are worried that you're going to get replaced by something, then start to figure
Speaker:out how you're not going to get replaced.
Speaker:I mean, and it's not because I don't think it's going anywhere but up at this point.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And I think it's going to make us be better storytellers.
Speaker:I mean, the stuff that like Adobe is coming out with, like the wire removal and the the
Speaker:content fill, the, you know, generated fill that you can do like an After Effects now
Speaker:where you can remove things and it and it builds it for you.
Speaker:And it's just amazing.
Speaker:I think it's going to make us better storytellers.
Speaker:Listen, things are going to change.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And I said this on Ian's show.
Speaker:You don't have a lot of blacksmiths on corners anymore.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I mean, you still have blacksmiths, but there's not as many of them around.
Speaker:And you know, I don't like change.
Speaker:Really, I don't.
Speaker:I mean, I want my Saturday morning cartoons back.
Speaker:I really do.
Speaker:Totally.
Speaker:Pro wrestling on Saturday.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:I mean, just, but I mean, you have to embrace change, but you don't have to like it, you
Speaker:know, and I compare it to like when you go to a family reunion and that aunt with the
Speaker:soggy mustache comes and tries to kiss you.
Speaker:Listen, you, you don't have to like it, but you still need to give Auntie a hug.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:I mean, you still have to do it, but it's that kind of thing.
Speaker:I mean, you have to, you do have to embrace change, but you don't.
Speaker:I think, you know, the, the choking a Smurf, the, the depends with the word pictures, see
Speaker:visual marketing.
Speaker:That's what it is.
Speaker:And now the aunt with the soggy mustache.
Speaker:I mean, we all had one this time.
Speaker:I mean, this, you know, it's trending on Twitter.
Speaker:Hashtag soggy mustache.
Speaker:Blab on steroids.
Speaker:I see people still talk about blab because it was so community driven.
Speaker:That's why people still talk about blab because it was all.
Speaker:Ross was big on blab.
Speaker:Yeah, he was big on blab.
Speaker:Big on blab blabs.
Speaker:There needs to be a t-shirt.
Speaker:There's a lot for that.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:So you're, you're about to do this D script thing.
Speaker:And I know you guys, you just rolled out of doing something with D script on Tim and Jim
Speaker:shows.
Speaker:We don't get too in depth.
Speaker:And for those of you who are watching the Tim and Jim shows, another show that Dr.
Speaker:Fuse does, and you got to check that out.
Speaker:But D script is one tool.
Speaker:I think that is essential is becoming sort of like the essential thing for podcasters,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:It's kind of like the essential tool because you can be simple with it.
Speaker:It does like amazing and complicated things, but you can, but it feels like this is something
Speaker:you can start and then eventually kind of grow into.
Speaker:Are there any other tools, whether they're software or hardware related that you would
Speaker:suggest to people who are, you know, not necessarily at, at your level, but you know, like, hey,
Speaker:I'm looking to kind of level up a little bit and not, you know, maybe not necessarily.
Speaker:I'm not talking about getting a more expensive microphone necessarily, but are there some
Speaker:things that you feel like are important for people to kind of maybe check out?
Speaker:So a couple things, one of the things when you're just as this is kind of basic, I think,
Speaker:but a lot of times as content creators, one of the things that we miss out on is capturing
Speaker:our ideas, right?
Speaker:How many times have you had an idea in the shower and then you forgot about it or you,
Speaker:you know, didn't write it down at night.
Speaker:And so being able to capture those, I think that for me, when I was able to figure that
Speaker:out and have a system for me where I didn't lose those ideas, that's huge for me.
Speaker:So I use an app called Rome resource, Rome research.
Speaker:And what it does is it's an app and it's also, but it lets me jot down ideas and tag them
Speaker:really easily.
Speaker:And so it actually puts them in a database and it works the way I think.
Speaker:So I really like it.
Speaker:Some people use notion of my friend, Eric Fisher had a guy on, I think it's Tiago Forte.
Speaker:He did a book called Building a Second Brain.
Speaker:Really, really good stuff.
Speaker:I would suggest reading that because half of your problem is, will be coming with ideas
Speaker:and not letting them go off into the ether and don't know what happened to that.
Speaker:That's a huge problem for me.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:So being able to do that.
Speaker:And plus I sleep better because I'm able to offload everything, know that it's captured
Speaker:and I can return to it if I want.
Speaker:So for me, that's a big, big thing.
Speaker:The other tool for people who are wanting to create content, especially live video,
Speaker:I just think, you know, I love Descript.
Speaker:It does a lot of things, but I think you're going to have to get a professional video
Speaker:editing software, non-linear editing tool.
Speaker:I know Chris, you use Final Cut Pro, which is a great one.
Speaker:I use Premiere.
Speaker:I've been using it for ages.
Speaker:A DaVinci Resolve is actually free, but it's really, really powerful.
Speaker:So I would get one of those three if you're going to dive into this because sometimes
Speaker:you just need to be able to do that things.
Speaker:And plus there's so much stock stuff that you can get for like creating titles and lower
Speaker:thirds that are already put together that you can just drop in and do it really quickly
Speaker:and not have to learn how to adjust the kerning on your text to make it go, you know, it's
Speaker:already done for you.
Speaker:So a professional system like Final Cut, Premiere, DaVinci Resolve, I would suggest.
Speaker:And I would learn some, I think text based editing is here to stay.
Speaker:I still think there's going to be a use case for the things I just mentioned, but even
Speaker:Adobe has embraced text based editing inside of Premiere.
Speaker:So that's going to be a skill that you're going to need to learn, I think, going for
Speaker:it as well.
Speaker:The eye tools are going to get better and better, but you're still going to need to
Speaker:learn how to edit and learn how to tell a story.
Speaker:Just jumping up clips and dropping them in a timeline doesn't make you a video editor.
Speaker:You need to figure out like how to hook an audience.
Speaker:You need to, you know, and Chris does a great job with this, with his editing and, you know,
Speaker:I study his stuff the way he does it, the way he catches people's attention.
Speaker:So study people like that.
Speaker:I guess those are off the top of my head, the tools that you would need.
Speaker:I think that's a great, I think what you just said right there is so key that a lot of people
Speaker:don't do is study other people.
Speaker:And it's like, don't be afraid.
Speaker:And like, even if I tried to copy everything that Jeff C does, it still wouldn't be Jeff C.
Speaker:Like, I look at it like, here I go back to music again.
Speaker:So if you play an instrument and or you sing or you do something musically related, you
Speaker:have influences, right?
Speaker:But chances are you tried to sing like Whitney Houston or Johnny Cash or you sat down to
Speaker:play a Flea bass line, right?
Speaker:And you may not get it exactly, but somehow that became an influence on how you are, what
Speaker:your DNA is.
Speaker:You don't want to be exactly that.
Speaker:And I think it's important to study other people like that.
Speaker:And the other thing you mentioned related to the video editing software is that those
Speaker:things can be so daunting, right?
Speaker:But there's so much free YouTube classes out there that like that's how I learned Final
Speaker:Cut.
Speaker:You know, like I had an iMovie on my Mac and I was using it.
Speaker:So I was like, boy, I need to be I want to be able to do something else.
Speaker:And so I started watching videos from Kevin Colby.
Speaker:And I was watching Kevin Colby's videos and I was like, I'm getting Final Cut because
Speaker:I can figure out how to do this and I can figure out how to do that.
Speaker:And like DaVinci is just another example, like that's free.
Speaker:And then you go onto YouTube and there's tons of people that will tell you how to put together
Speaker:these videos.
Speaker:But once they tell you how to do that stuff, you still have to add your human element.
Speaker:I mean, everyone's talking about it.
Speaker:Have you used Opus clip or Opus?
Speaker:What is it?
Speaker:Opus Pro?
Speaker:Yeah, Opus Clips.
Speaker:That's the one that creates the the shorts out of your links of your video.
Speaker:Oh, no, I have not tried that yet.
Speaker:I think Jim told me about that the other day.
Speaker:Yeah, you basically take a YouTube link from one of your videos or you can upload your
Speaker:own file and it will even if it's a widescreen video, it'll find us like a like an area to
Speaker:where it'll it'll make it a vertical video.
Speaker:And it actually it's it's kind of like the first time you tried chat GBT, you're like,
Speaker:you didn't expect it to be as good as it was, right?
Speaker:You go like, oh, wow, this actually kind of this actually worked.
Speaker:But here's my only issue is, is that I got it to where I liked it, but I didn't like
Speaker:it for me.
Speaker:Like I was like, this is this is really good, but I would have done this and I would have
Speaker:done this and I would have done this.
Speaker:So let me see if I can pull it down and then adjust it.
Speaker:And by the time I did all that, I was like, I might as well have just done it myself.
Speaker:Exactly.
Speaker:That's kind of where I land to.
Speaker:I can't wait to try it.
Speaker:I mean, if it if anything that will shorten it, I think, you know, it's worth doing.
Speaker:One of the things and this is kind of a hack that it took me a while to learn.
Speaker:And it goes to your point about the the the tons of tutorials everywhere on on YouTube
Speaker:was that it's not so much to learn every bit about things.
Speaker:I've forgotten so much about Photoshop and Premiere and After Effects throughout the
Speaker:I mean, I'm always Googling it.
Speaker:But the thing is, is I know what the definitions are.
Speaker:I know what a mask is, but I may not may not remember how to apply that to that specific
Speaker:layer.
Speaker:And so I can Google how to animate a mask in in Google and then I'll get these YouTube
Speaker:videos that will teach me how to do that.
Speaker:So I would say like when you're learning something, make yourself a little glossary because you
Speaker:will forget what button to press.
Speaker:If you can remember like, OK, this is what a mask is.
Speaker:This is what, you know, this term is that gets you so you can Google it.
Speaker:And so once you just have a glossary or know what to call it, then you're golden because
Speaker:you can just Google it and find the answer to that problem that you have while you're
Speaker:working.
Speaker:And I think what I've discovered, too, because, you know, you guys have definitely been further
Speaker:ahead of me in the the video editing process.
Speaker:It's kind of like a lot of things like with sports.
Speaker:It's the fundamentals.
Speaker:Everything pretty much uses that same basic fundamental layers and this and that.
Speaker:And so it doesn't matter which software you use or all basically doing that same thing
Speaker:initially.
Speaker:It really becomes what are those extra things you need or write?
Speaker:You're a Mac user, so you might want to use Final Cut.
Speaker:You know, you don't maybe you don't want to do this subscription for Adobe.
Speaker:But if you're on a PC, well, I can't use Final Cut.
Speaker:So but it's the fundamentals.
Speaker:If you were like on one system went to another, you can start to understand that.
Speaker:And even with the script, you're seeing the same stuff applies.
Speaker:And now, now you're just adding in how you affect audio and, you know, in templates,
Speaker:right?
Speaker:Everybody starts to talk about templates.
Speaker:I think it's it's really good stuff.
Speaker:And to your point, right, you just go out there and go to YouTube University or even
Speaker:better go to the Jeff C. Descript 101 class.
Speaker:That's right.
Speaker:And the other thing is, is you like you'll learn how to like, oh, I can read a waveform.
Speaker:So I know where the where cut is or a breath sound is going to start happening.
Speaker:And you can apply that.
Speaker:Oh, I can add that to I can actually take clips that aren't the exact length that I
Speaker:need and seamlessly edit them together on the beat so I can have that piece of music
Speaker:fit my video perfectly.
Speaker:So you'll learn tricks like that as you go along, because you've learned skills.
Speaker:But once again, learn those like what Jim was saying, learn the basics, learn what they're
Speaker:called.
Speaker:And then like I seriously, I'm always Googling stuff.
Speaker:And I've been using the Adobe suite of products for since I started, like I said, in Premiere
Speaker:2 or something like that.
Speaker:So but I forget all that stuff.
Speaker:So yeah, one of the one of the temptations is when you start using a lot of the software
Speaker:that does simplify the process for you and you can you start turning out quantitatively
Speaker:more content, you got to be the trick is like if you've got now instead of four pieces of
Speaker:now you have 17 pieces of content that you want to spit out everywhere.
Speaker:Making sure you didn't take shortcuts on the 17 and you're actually speaking to someone
Speaker:with that content.
Speaker:And you know, like, like you said, it's very difficult to tell a story in one minute on
Speaker:a YouTube short, right?
Speaker:You're not you probably not going to be able to tell a story in a minute.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:That's that's a huge challenge.
Speaker:But what you can do is be interesting or entertain someone or educate someone.
Speaker:You can educate someone in a minute.
Speaker:Like you may be able to solve their problem.
Speaker:Like do you have a problem with your kitchen sink stopped up?
Speaker:I've had this item that unstop sinks.
Speaker:It does this.
Speaker:It does this.
Speaker:It does this.
Speaker:Here's a link for it.
Speaker:That could solve somebody's problem in a minute.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:So that could be a really popular video.
Speaker:So I think lots of times somebody will just say, hey, here's my big podcast.
Speaker:And I'm just going to chop it up and here's 17 one minute clips.
Speaker:It's like, well, what are they saying?
Speaker:Are they doing anything for you?
Speaker:And like there's no start beginning or end.
Speaker:It's just like, it's like they just stop.
Speaker:And so I don't really like that.
Speaker:But a lot of times I'm able to get and I have a question and have a little bit of an answer.
Speaker:And a lot of times I can get that in under a minute or edit it down to under a minute.
Speaker:And that's why I structure the show that I weigh.
Speaker:And that's another kind of takeaway for your audiences.
Speaker:When you're planning your show, your live show or piece of content, think about how
Speaker:you can repurpose it later and it will save you a bunch of time.
Speaker:That's why I have those three sections in those questions, because it gives me a structure
Speaker:that I can go to every week.
Speaker:It's not a big like, oh, what am I going to talk about?
Speaker:I know I have three structured.
Speaker:I have three structured thing and I have questions underneath there and I can actually kind of
Speaker:use those as repurposable evergreen content.
Speaker:And I try to ask evergreen questions that will get those evergreen answers.
Speaker:Love it.
Speaker:You're a better planner than I am, Jeff.
Speaker:Well it looks that way.
Speaker:And it's because I've screwed up so much in the past.
Speaker:And also Grace set me up, like she set me up before she moved on to have all this.
Speaker:I mean, her documents and her show flow.
Speaker:It's systems.
Speaker:It comes down to systems, right?
Speaker:Once you get those in place, it really helps a lot.
Speaker:She was amazing getting that up.
Speaker:Luckily, she didn't take all her files.
Speaker:She's great.
Speaker:No, yeah.
Speaker:I was just talking to her the other day.
Speaker:So she's loving what she's doing.
Speaker:But I do miss my Grace.
Speaker:She was fun.
Speaker:Yeah, I used to say every show needs a Grace.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Amazing Grace.
Speaker:But it is kind of fun now because we're doing the rotating kind of co-hosts.
Speaker:And one, it's kind of an added benefit is that I get to, they usually share it to their
Speaker:audience so I get some other people coming on.
Speaker:It's just, it gives a little bit of dynamic.
Speaker:Like who's going to show up this week with this crazy bearded guy?
Speaker:Like next tomorrow, it's Katie Fox from Ecams going to be on there.
Speaker:So that's going to be fun.
Speaker:I've had my friend Connor who he's from, he does Disney tours.
Speaker:Who'd have thought?
Speaker:But he's a great host.
Speaker:He is great.
Speaker:And, you know, I have another friend, Paul, who runs powwows.com, which is he has the
Speaker:largest live streaming of Native American powwows.
Speaker:It's a huge company and he gets to come on my show.
Speaker:So I just, I've been loving it.
Speaker:So it's a lot of fun.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So everyone make sure that you are watching, following, subscribing, wherever you guys
Speaker:are all over.
Speaker:But, you know, I usually watch on LinkedIn, social media news live, which that's the name
Speaker:as it is now.
Speaker:But watch out for a name change soon.
Speaker:But it is a fantastic show.
Speaker:And I mean it.
Speaker:And it is great.
Speaker:So does Connor have his own show now?
Speaker:Or is he's got a podcast?
Speaker:He's been doing a podcast for a while.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I actually met him when I was speaking.
Speaker:I don't think he does video.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:We need to talk to him about that.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:So why are people so hesitant?
Speaker:I know, you know, obviously another show that you help produce is Guy Kawasaki, which is
Speaker:a fantastic, huge podcast.
Speaker:And it's audio only.
Speaker:And Connor does an audio.
Speaker:So what, I mean, maybe not specific to them, but do you feel like there are still people
Speaker:that are just maybe afraid to turn on the camera?
Speaker:Or like, what is it that keeps people from doing video at this point?
Speaker:I think the biggest hiccup is a lot of people who have done audio only podcasts in the past.
Speaker:A lot of times they will use Zoom to record their podcasts, which is horrible, by the
Speaker:way.
Speaker:Don't do it using eCamp.
Speaker:Yes.
Speaker:But they're used to that.
Speaker:But there's so many times your guests say, oh, this isn't, I'm not camera ready.
Speaker:This is going to be audio.
Speaker:They're really worried about their guests.
Speaker:And I'm like, I've never had, because they know if you start doing it as a show, like
Speaker:video, they're not going to ask that question.
Speaker:And they're going to dress up and go out of the house sometimes.
Speaker:So like, let them, you know, just do it.
Speaker:I've been trying to get Guy to do it.
Speaker:I wish he would.
Speaker:Because there's something there.
Speaker:Like, there's a lot who just love that audio podcast.
Speaker:I get that.
Speaker:But there's something about like, when Guy was talking with Martha Stewart, you know
Speaker:people are going to tune in on YouTube to watch that.
Speaker:I mean, like Eric Fisher had another one.
Speaker:I love his show, Beyond the To Do List.
Speaker:It's a great productivity podcast.
Speaker:I would have loved to see Eric and Seth Godin talk back and forth on a YouTube watch.
Speaker:I mean, to me, they're, and forgive me, Eric and Guy, but they're leaving so much on the
Speaker:table because of that.
Speaker:I mean, yeah, I mean, there's so much on the table.
Speaker:Like even, even my show, which doesn't get a ton of views over on YouTube, it's still
Speaker:people come and watch it and comment.
Speaker:And I'm like, I just, there's so much you can do with video.
Speaker:So I just, I'm a, I'm a big fan of doing both.
Speaker:Yeah, I would agree with you, Jeff.
Speaker:I think even if, you know, if there's that fear of going live, you can record it and
Speaker:then upload it, right?
Speaker:So don't feel like, oh, well, I'm worried, you know, because we're live and we might
Speaker:say something wrong, we'll then record it.
Speaker:Then you have that video that you can now repurpose and drive people back to either
Speaker:listen to the podcast or watch the episode.
Speaker:And that's where I think a lot of us, you know, miss out.
Speaker:And then, you know, that's where I appreciate, you know, Chris so much.
Speaker:And I'm grateful for what he does for us with Dealcasters because I know we're getting a
Speaker:lot of views because he's taking those clips and repurposing it, you know, on all the tubes.
Speaker:And I think that's, that's kind of the future.
Speaker:I think there's still just such a small percentage that is doing it.
Speaker:And even when you look at content creation in general, right, you talk about people creating
Speaker:content. LinkedIn has 900 million, you know, whatever you want to call them, subscribers.
Speaker:And I think it's less than 3% of the people on LinkedIn are actually creating content.
Speaker:Yeah, that's a good point, Jim, because, you know, we move in the circles where we see
Speaker:big people like Amy Porterfield and we see, you know, Mari Smith and some, you know,
Speaker:people that you interview and like having you guys on my show, you see people who are at
Speaker:this level creating content.
Speaker:And you think, why am I even doing it?
Speaker:Because I only have, you know, 50 views or whatever.
Speaker:But I go to your Sunday school class or go to your church, I mean, your PTA meeting or
Speaker:whatever, and look around the room and how many people there are creating content?
Speaker:Probably not any of them.
Speaker:Right. And you are doing that.
Speaker:And those 50 people can trickle down to so much opportunity that you can get from just
Speaker:being doing a consistent live show or putting out content consistently, you know, once a
Speaker:week or whatever your schedule is.
Speaker:Most people, most people are not doing what you're doing.
Speaker:And we have to remember that because we are on this space.
Speaker:We're looking at everybody else like, oh, I really wish I could edit like Chris.
Speaker:Oh, I really wish I was a Marine like Jim and I could have the platform that I could
Speaker:talk about and you compare yourself to other people.
Speaker:Right. And you can't do that.
Speaker:I mean, you have to, you know, you have to start where you're at.
Speaker:Everybody starts at zero.
Speaker:When you first start a live show, no one will be there.
Speaker:And a really cool hack for that is do what I used to do when I was a magician and
Speaker:plants do plants in the audience.
Speaker:Like plant people, you invite your friends on like, hey, I'm going live here.
Speaker:Can you ask this question?
Speaker:And then that gets the ball rolling.
Speaker:I used to do that all the time when I first started out.
Speaker:And so use your friends, use them hard.
Speaker:Make sure they're good friends, though.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:That's fantastic advice.
Speaker:That is it's absolutely fantastic advice is like, like you said, walk into your
Speaker:church and look around the room and how many of those people are doing something.
Speaker:You know, we are so we we've got the blinders on, right?
Speaker:And we're like content creators, content entrepreneurs, and we're doing all of this
Speaker:stuff. And in actuality, we are still a fraction of a percentage of the overall
Speaker:people. It's sort of like when people used to say, why, why would I create a
Speaker:podcast? There are just so many podcasts.
Speaker:It's like, guess what?
Speaker:There may be three and a half million podcasts out there, but only 20 percent of
Speaker:them are active.
Speaker:Most people stop after the seventh episode.
Speaker:They start making them after the seventh episode.
Speaker:Well, when Anchor first launched and it was free to do it like everybody was doing
Speaker:one podcast on the Internet.
Speaker:Right. And so it was like professors were setting up courses.
Speaker:OK, set up a podcast.
Speaker:Oh, there's a free hosting service.
Speaker:I don't have to pay 20 bucks to Lipson.
Speaker:So, you know, so there's like millions of podcasts with one episode.
Speaker:And it's like, don't look at the stats like everyone quits.
Speaker:And it's just like most people don't want to do the work necessary, the consistency
Speaker:and learning day after day and stick with it to be successful.
Speaker:Most people don't.
Speaker:And I'm just.
Speaker:Congratulations.
Speaker:I was going to say congratulations to Kathleen.
Speaker:She has 10 years of podcasting.
Speaker:Wow. That's amazing.
Speaker:That is amazing.
Speaker:I have I think I have a sound effect.
Speaker:I think I have a sound effect for that somewhere.
Speaker:Congratulations, Ken.
Speaker:It's like the stock road caster pro to applause.
Speaker:But that's really sorry to the trombones.
Speaker:Gold's in the house.
Speaker:Jenny Gold, thank you for being our plant.
Speaker:No, I'm kidding.
Speaker:We don't we don't have any plants anymore.
Speaker:We don't have to do that anymore.
Speaker:But, Jenny, thank you for for coming.
Speaker:And let me see if I missed.
Speaker:Let me make sure I didn't miss anyone.
Speaker:Catherine, thank you so much for all of this.
Speaker:And this is like 10 years.
Speaker:That's a lot.
Speaker:That is like so you want to talk about consistency.
Speaker:I think she said earlier that she has started to see she started adding video.
Speaker:Was that her?
Speaker:Yes, she did.
Speaker:She did.
Speaker:Yeah, that it's actually getting more downloads than her podcast.
Speaker:And that's the thing is it sounds so weird, but a lot of discovery happens over on YouTube for podcasts.
Speaker:And I mean, Tom Webster at one time was saying that there's more listens on like YouTube than Apple,
Speaker:Apple podcasts or something like that, because there's no way to track it.
Speaker:Like it's not until they started doing this podcasting thing is hard to track.
Speaker:So, yeah, I think a lot of discovery is happening over on YouTube and that's awesome.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:And yeah, it just goes back to if you've got a podcast, why not create some video for it?
Speaker:I mean, even if it's just doing shorts or, you know, taking five minutes out of it.
Speaker:And like, you know, here's the highlight.
Speaker:Chris has done that with some of our previous episodes where he'll just do kind of like a highlight.
Speaker:We're like, here's five minutes where we're like talking with Kelly Roach.
Speaker:And if you want to watch the full episode, this is where you go.
Speaker:I think that in and of itself is a great way to take your video and drive more traffic.
Speaker:And I know Megan Powers is here and she's done like live video and podcasting for years, too.
Speaker:It's that consistency. It really is.
Speaker:And it's hard. It's hard doing one.
Speaker:It's not easy. Or like you said, everybody would be doing it.
Speaker:But once you get in that groove, you mean I just I don't know anybody who's been consistent
Speaker:and not seen some sort of benefit out of it.
Speaker:I just don't think somebody who's been consistent and doesn't give up.
Speaker:There's always some benefit that happens at the end.
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, part of it is just getting better.
Speaker:Just the reps, right?
Speaker:You don't go to the gym once and come back shredded.
Speaker:You got to you got to keep going, keep going, keep going.
Speaker:And, you know, and that makes me like I need to go to the gym now.
Speaker:I'm glad I mentioned that.
Speaker:I used to lift weights, but they're so heavy.
Speaker:We waited all show for the best dad joke and we got it.
Speaker:That's right.
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Speaker:You know, there are a ton of people that can't wait for for this.
Speaker:Me being one of them, because I'm always asking Jeff, hey, what do you do?
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Speaker:For those that are listening on the podcast, we'll put the link in the show notes as well.
Speaker:Jeff, man, this has been even more awesome than I thought it would be.
Speaker:Anything else do we need to talk about the E cam camp that's coming up?
Speaker:Oh, that's that. Yeah.
Speaker:So that's coming up in October.
Speaker:That'll be fun. They're having a creator camp.
Speaker:They are limiting seats.
Speaker:So if you haven't got one, make sure you guys go do that.
Speaker:It's going to be set up such a cool way that I'm so excited.
Speaker:It's actually like a summer camp like Leslie.
Speaker:Samuels is the camp director.
Speaker:I'm one of the camp counselors and I'm going to be taking people around
Speaker:to different stations where they're going to be learning podcasting, live video,
Speaker:all sorts of cool skills.
Speaker:And it's going to be I think it's north of Boston.
Speaker:So I've never been in that area.
Speaker:So I'm stoked. I think Jim is going to be there as well.
Speaker:So it's going to be fun.
Speaker:So I don't know.
Speaker:I just go to E cams channel.
Speaker:You'll see it there. E cam with two Ems.
Speaker:Yeah, I know they were definitely it was getting very close to all the seats being full.
Speaker:And so you definitely want to do that.
Speaker:Now, I don't know.
Speaker:I'm I'm a little worried that I could get in trouble with the camp counselor
Speaker:and I might get put under tension, but I'll try not to.
Speaker:I don't know what we'll do.
Speaker:We'll probably what is it?
Speaker:Run your underwear up the flagpole.
Speaker:Is that what they used to do?
Speaker:OK, you had me at the soggy mustache.
Speaker:And now we're running underwear up a flagpole.
Speaker:I mean, this show is going on salesman every time.
Speaker:Megan says they do one or every other one live on making a marketer,
Speaker:but they she needs a VA to help me repurpose.
Speaker:I have suggestions for you, Megan.
Speaker:So in case you DM me if you're looking for for VAs,
Speaker:I think I think we all have VAs here.
Speaker:So but mine's better than yours.
Speaker:No, it's my daughter. You can't beat that.
Speaker:I mean, it's true. Oh, God.
Speaker:You're lucky your daughter actually is willing to do the work.
Speaker:That's that's that's what she's good.
Speaker:No, it tends to be the problem when you try to get your kids
Speaker:because you're their parent.
Speaker:They're like, oh, you really want that by this deadline.
Speaker:But she's charging me a pretty penny.
Speaker:So I'll take that. Oh, there you go.
Speaker:Yeah, Megan, I'm not sure, but I might be
Speaker:at podcast movement.
Speaker:And I believe you guys are definitely going right.
Speaker:I have a ticket.
Speaker:I think it's definitely maybe at the moment.
Speaker:We were talking about that yesterday because, yes, since they
Speaker:since they didn't pick us to be on the stage, we're debating it.
Speaker:Yeah, you know, it does come down to and that's the other thing.
Speaker:When you have a live show is like, I am there for my audience each week.
Speaker:So even if I'm not doing a show, what I usually have done before is pre record it.
Speaker:But I don't like to do that too often.
Speaker:But I mean, that's the thing you got to think about.
Speaker:Like when I travel, I've done shows from the hotel room before.
Speaker:But you always be there for your audience.
Speaker:So that's important, too.
Speaker:Yeah. Jenny loves your jokes, Jeff.
Speaker:So you do have one fan.
Speaker:One person, one person who likes my my dad jokes.
Speaker:Yeah, I can relate.
Speaker:I can relate to the dad jokes.
Speaker:So thank you. Awesome.
Speaker:Well, thank you, Jeff.
Speaker:And thank you, everyone who has joined us today.
Speaker:Jenny, Megan Ross as Catherine.
Speaker:Thank you for, man, amazing contributions from from all of you.
Speaker:If I forgot anyone, Denise,
Speaker:thanks for joining us and make sure you go and follow Jeff.
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