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Oct. 9, 2023

E14: This is not normal, even for war | Israel, Hamas, Palestine, Iran, and Saudi Arabia

E14: This is not normal, even for war | Israel, Hamas, Palestine, Iran, and Saudi Arabia

Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg record an episode to discuss the war between Israel and Hamas, the moral problems with the leftist ideological response, the complicated geopolitical power dynamics in the Arab world, and how this conflict marks the waning of American power.

Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg record an episode to discuss the war between Israel and Hamas, the moral problems with the leftist ideological response, the complicated geopolitical power dynamics in the Arab world, and how this conflict marks the waning of American power. Daffy is offering Econ 102 listeners a free $25 for the charity of their choice when they join: https://www.daffy.org/econ102

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LINKS:

-A three-state solution is the only viable future for Israel and the Palestinians, Noah Smith https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/a-three-state-solution-is-the-only

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@noahpinion (Noah)

@eriktorenberg (Erik)

TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Unpacking the events that led to war in Israel

(05:18)Moral problems of the new leftist ideology

(11:00) Power dynamics of the Middle East and investment in the conflict

(21:29) Sponsors: Daffy | NetSuite

(23:30) Reacting to Sam Harris' statement about moral equivalence

(33:20) Is apartheid a fair analogy?

(41:00) Where the Saudi Arabia alliance goes from here

(46:30)The three-state solution?

(47:00) Taking stock of technological advancement

(52:00) Israel's military advantage is not guaranteed here

(54:55) This war is downstream of the waning of American power

(57:30) America is reserving most of our weapons

(01:01:15) What does it mean for the Pax Americana to be over?

(01:05:30) The Middle East is stuck in a mindset of war

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