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Aug. 29, 2023

E8: Why China is Primed for Economic Carnage Worse than the US Financial Crisis of 2008

E8: Why China is Primed for Economic Carnage Worse than the US Financial Crisis of 2008

In episode 8 of ECON 102, Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg discuss Noah’s recent trip to Japan, the factors that will play in China’s potential economic crisis, and more.

In episode 8 of ECON 102, Noah Smith and Erik Torenberg discuss the factors brewing up a major crisis for China’s economy, and what this means for the US and other international powers. If you’re looking for an ERP platform, check out our sponsor, NetSuite: http://netsuite.com/turpentine


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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:37) Noah’s observations from his trip to Japan

(03:03) Chinese Economic Carnage

(04:09) Who is affected?

(04:59) How will falling resource prices affect inflation?

(14:12) China’s upcoming recession

(16:41) China’s building investments need to stop

(20:12) China’s paradox of thrift

(20:57) China’s boomer republican leaders

(21:39) What can China’s growth look like from here?

(27:11) What are China’s options for allaying the unrest?

(28:44) Extend and Pretend

(29:26) Balaji was wrong about China as diplomatic power

(33:18) China owns a Sri Lankan city now

(34:04) When Noah was most bullish on China’s future: the Hu Jintao era

(36:33) Xi JinPing as Stalin; Steve Ballmer

(40:00) The revolution of rising expectations theory in American 

(44:52) Spelling out our biggest fears about China

(47:23) Successes in recent alliances: Japan and Korea alliances, India, Vietnam,

(51:00) What are we watching for next?


LINKS:

Noah's Substack: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/why-chinas-economy-ran-off-the-rails

China's 40 Year Boom is Over, Wall Street Journal: https://www.wsj.com/world/china/china-economy-debt-slowdown-recession-622a3be4


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