“Murdaugh" Episode Eight | The Interrogations Part Two

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Just one month after the murders at Mozel,

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Sledley Detective David Owens arranges for a second formal interview,

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this time taking place on his turf.

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Alex accompanied by his attorney and friend Cory Fleming,

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meet with the detective intent on gaining information as to the progress

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of the investigation, but Detective Owens has other plans.

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In this interrogation, as Alex cracks under the pressure,

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Detective Owens lays out the facts known so far that point to Alex Mardol's

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direct participation asking Alex point blank,

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"Did you murder your wife and son?"

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Welcome to Exposed, scandalous files of the elite,

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Mardol, Episode 8, the interrogations, Part 2.

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Hey, welcome back to Exposed, scandalous files of the elite,

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I'm your host Jim Chapman, and today we are continuing with the

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eighth episode in the Mardol series, and I'm going to call this one the

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interrogations, Part 2. So as I told you in the last episode,

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the interrogations are the biggest pieces of the puzzle in this case,

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primarily because Alex Mardol cannot shut the fuck up.

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He answers questions, he's not even asked, and he provides details that go

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way beyond the scope of what the detectives would ask him.

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Now, today I'm going to proceed in the same way I did last week,

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and that's by playing you the entire interrogation,

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but having breaks as we go along to discuss what it is, you just heard.

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So let me set the scene in this one, and shockingly,

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this one does not take place in a vehicle.

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It actually takes place in an interrogation room,

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and the people in that room are two detectives, the lead detective David Owens,

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and detective Jeff Crawlft, both from Sled,

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as well as Alex Mardol, and Alex Mardol's bestie/atoning

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Corey Fleming, and you'll remember his name from past episode.

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Here's what that interrogation sounded like, and we'll start at the beginning.

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All right, so I look out for a shoot you coming in the day.

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That's really easy.

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I know there's a lot of talk about, and then there's questions.

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But before we get started, with your questions,

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this is being gone for too long, and we've done a lot of work.

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I know you have, and I've got some more questions,

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and I'll need to clear the questions all.

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I'm sugar, okay?

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So we just go through that.

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When that comes up?

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[BEEP]

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Maybe I'm mistaken.

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I thought we were coming here, so if you could update him,

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what's going on?

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And I intend to do that, and I guess you can.

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Well, I'm that first.

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The update is I'm doing a investigation,

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and I have some questions that I need.

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I would like some answers to it.

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And I mean certainly if you know I asked the question,

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if you don't want to answer, you don't have to answer.

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No, I'm not going to answer.

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I mean if it's more clarifications of the two interviews,

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you can only give them a totally understanding, okay?

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Just for one second, yeah.

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Wait, one second.

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All right.

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I mean for you to tell me, are you going to give us information

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or we just hear you can ask questions?

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Now I'm going to give you some information.

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Why can't you give us information first?

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So many information that you're asking about

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or any of my questions.

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And as we go through, you'll see.

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Okay, I don't mind.

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I don't mind you.

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But I can't.

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I mean, I'm a friend, but I'm also a lawyer,

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and I like to know what we're talking about.

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Well, I need you to answer this question.

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You know, are you asking him questions?

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To further your investigation,

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are you asking him questions?

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Because you think he's a suspect.

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I need a straight answer.

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I am asking these questions to further my investigation.

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All right.

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What does that mean that you're not asking him

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these questions as a suspect?

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Because it, good, say, because I'm not comfortable

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with you asking him questions as a suspect

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when I came here with the thought that you were going to be telling him

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where you are in the investigation.

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What it is?

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What it is you've done seen uncovered?

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Whatever.

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That's why we came here.

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Well, let me, let me respond to your question.

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It may not be a direct answer that you're looking for.

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And I'll pull out of this first matter.

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Any homicide investigation,

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you start with the closest person and the person who found

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the deceased.

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But in case that's Alec.

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Everybody stays in that investigation until we can get them out.

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And right now, because of the questions that I have that I need explanations for,

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I cannot be Alec out.

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That's a reasonable statement.

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I'm a problem statement.

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That's fine.

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Um, I don't read it.

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um, everybody in the United States of America has some penny moments.

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Yes, it's a big deal.

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And because I know everybody, I know it's a bunch of bullshit.

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Um, I can't imagine that y'all are going to be asking about nonsense in the internet.

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No.

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All right.

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No.

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Well, just just like you, I'm aware of what's out there.

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I have not read every article.

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I don't care if you read every article because they're not doing the investigation.

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That's right.

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All right.

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Well, you know, if you're called to...

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You're not okay, yes.

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Done this time.

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And I'm...

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You're not even able to help.

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All right.

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This thing.

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All right.

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So as you heard there, they sit down.

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They start talking in right out of the gate, Alex's bestie,

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Cory Fleming.

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He tries to put David Owen, the lead investigator on the defensive.

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And from past episodes, we know how much of a piece of shit Cory Fleming is, right?

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He's the same guy who represented the family of Alex's former housekeeper,

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who died on his property.

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Now, shout out to David Owen, who so far has been handling

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this with a lot more patients than I would have.

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I can tell you that.

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And he even takes time to explain what I've told you many times throughout the series.

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You work these cases from the inside out.

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You start with the people closest to the victim.

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And your job as an investigator is to find a way to rule them out

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until they're completely ruled out.

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And until that happens, they're still in that circle.

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So finally, David Owen's, he backs Cory Fleming off.

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And we continue.

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So I want to go back to Muddy Boy and you went to the office.

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What time did you go to the office?

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Who is extra housekeeper?

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You love him.

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And what time did you go to the office?

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We've been to a ballgame that we can.

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I don't remember exactly what time it would have been.

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Somewhere between 830 and 930 probably to the clock maybe at the latest.

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It's like that.

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And when I ask about time, I'm not saying,

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"You think Bob 11" or something like that.

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It's totally on the hands of Bob Warren.

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That's those things you can get to.

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And if you need to know exactly when,

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my,

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there would be a

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keypad that will tell when exactly I went in my office.

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That I can get for you.

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So you have to keep all good, get in your office.

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A card card.

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A little bit.

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You know, a little bit,

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well, it's probably a little bit over the later side of that.

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I guess I know Maggie got up early,

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to get out of there because she had an appointment in Charleston.

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I just don't remember if I left right after she did,

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or I'll put her around.

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But, and I already know that Paul stated John Mormons at night,

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so it's just you and Magnet House.

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That's correct.

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Um,

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and I know when you were at the office,

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you were working on motions and some of those motions you'd dealt with

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before Paul's vote,

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so that's where the vote case.

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I don't really,

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I'm not really doing illegal,

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more understand, understand, but, you know,

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you're,

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Paul's dad, you're a lawyer,

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you're definitely going to know what's going on.

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Yeah.

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I mean, so what were those motions?

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I mean, did it deal with Parkers or was it natural?

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Vote accident or it was the civil, it was the civil case.

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What time did you leave?

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I can get home.

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Earlier then, no, um, I'd say 5'30",

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so when you left the office,

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we started, okay.

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What time did Paul get home then, right?

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Um, me and Paul,

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we got there about the same time.

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Maybe he was a little bit later than me,

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or maybe a little bit earlier than me,

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but it was close to the same time.

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And y'all were around the farm,

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um,

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and we could sit in two different trucks,

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or two different vehicles,

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instead of what were those two different vehicles.

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Oh,

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we were going to

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in the wine pickup truck,

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and we rode in the back pickup truck.

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And either one of those,

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did you see any strong guys,

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and take your time?

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It's okay.

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Did you see any rifles or shotguns?

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Um,

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I don't remember seeing any that day,

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no, we did have pistols.

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Yeah, there was a little bit more target presence.

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Not a little target presence.

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Yeah, it did shoot.

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Yeah.

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Well, we were going to be having a couple hours to look at everything.

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All stuff Paul did on the floor,

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and, um,

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we just fit, you know,

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and I'm tired of getting it.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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No more, no more, no more.

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Hey.

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There you can do this?

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I could do it, huh?

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It started out.

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Going to look at the sun of flowers,

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because we were worried about sunflowers.

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That was the first thing we looked at.

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We just rode.

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We just rode, we looked at it.

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I mean, we hadn't done it in a while.

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We just rode.

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All.

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We rode.

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All.

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We just talked about it.

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There.

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You know?

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This.

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One of the many things, even having chose to feed it swelled up.

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We were worried about blood pressure and stress on him.

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I mean, he had all this stuff, so amazingly, but I mean,

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we were just so worried about it.

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But I mean, we talked about that.

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We talked about it flow on.

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We just talked about everything.

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Has Paul ever seen a doctor for?

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Let's do it.

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Do the sir.

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We're not trying to get him a good, trying to get him a pill.

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Can you just resist him?

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Yeah, he had been resistant, but much less so after his feet swelled up.

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I mean, he'd been having all kind of little problems, but he much less after his feet swelled up.

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Because his parents, I'm sure you and Maggie stay don't have a problem with how he respond to you.

265
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To going out.

266
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To going to the doctor.

267
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You know, you know, talk about it.

268
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He's there, is this?

269
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I mean, we've talked to him about seeing a doctor, about the stresses of everything with the boat red.

270
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He didn't think you needed to do that.

271
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I mean, we tried to watch him really closely.

272
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But he was resistant.

273
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What's on the back of the back on the right?

274
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Later.

275
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I'd say probably the best I can tell a couple hours after.

276
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After us, after we got there, when you were turned, when you were in Paul, we turned back to the house and Maggie there.

277
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I can't remember if Maggie came by the shed from Paul when I were up there or if he met her at the house.

278
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But, you know, it's not unusual for her if we're messing around, trying to sweep her up there.

279
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I didn't know.

280
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I didn't know.

281
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All right.

282
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Did you hear what was just said?

283
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Alex says Maggie came home because she was worried about his dad and that's key because up until this point we did not know that Alex and Maggie were having problems.

284
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And she was not even living at Moe's L at the time of her murder.

285
00:16:48,740 --> 00:16:55,740
Also in that clip, Alex exhibits again a tail, tail sign he is lying.

286
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He's talking way too much. He's expanding on the questions and answering questions before he is even asked the question which shows he's been thinking about it prior to being asked the question.

287
00:17:10,740 --> 00:17:19,740
Probably relived that interrogation in his head the night before 100 times and that fake crying y'all.

288
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That's about the most irritating cry in the world.

289
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Alex Martall. Anyway, we'll proceed with the interrogation.

290
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The man was supposed to be coming from, I've seen him stand out.

291
00:17:34,740 --> 00:17:47,740
She was worried about me and me worrying about my dad and some she came home.

292
00:17:47,740 --> 00:17:53,740
Where was she going to stay that night? At Addestok. We were having work going down there.

293
00:17:53,740 --> 00:18:01,740
It wasn't 100 percent but it's pretty well. She was going to stay at Addestok.

294
00:18:01,740 --> 00:18:04,740
It's not kind of surprising that she came out.

295
00:18:04,740 --> 00:18:13,740
I didn't totally surprise me. She'd let me know earlier that she was coming home but then I found out later why she came home.

296
00:18:13,740 --> 00:18:21,740
She was going to stay there for you.

297
00:18:21,740 --> 00:18:26,740
What time did you also come here to get out? Not too long after that.

298
00:18:26,740 --> 00:18:36,740
The block had made dinner. Instead of three of us ate dinner together.

299
00:18:36,740 --> 00:18:43,740
What was the conversation around the dinner table? You know, the breakfast stuff.

300
00:18:43,740 --> 00:18:53,740
I mean I can't tell you exactly but I was mighty disappointed in Charleston that day.

301
00:18:53,740 --> 00:19:00,740
I think it'd be on good. We didn't really, I mean we didn't really get the chance to talk about it in detail.

302
00:19:00,740 --> 00:19:08,740
She's been having a couple of medical issues. I can't even remember which one it wasn't anything huge.

303
00:19:08,740 --> 00:19:17,740
I can't remember exactly which one she went for.

304
00:19:17,740 --> 00:19:24,740
And after dinner, back in home. Looked at the gills or anything.

305
00:19:24,740 --> 00:19:31,740
You know, I don't know exactly how that went.

306
00:19:31,740 --> 00:19:42,740
I stayed on the couch and I do stuff.

307
00:19:42,740 --> 00:19:51,740
And then I got up. Did you watch TV?

308
00:19:51,740 --> 00:19:58,740
I know a TV was, I believe the TV was on.

309
00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:06,740
Then I was watching it.

310
00:20:06,740 --> 00:20:13,740
There is a video on Paul's phone from Union home phone that night.

311
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You were in the Tech-A-Pants and a dress shirt.

312
00:20:17,740 --> 00:20:24,740
You were playing with a tree. I don't know who played with a tree.

313
00:20:24,740 --> 00:20:29,740
I guess there was a tree set up on the shelf and it was falling over or bending over.

314
00:20:29,740 --> 00:20:37,740
You were trying to get it stand back. But the question in that is when I met you that night,

315
00:20:37,740 --> 00:20:41,740
you were in shorts and you'd be shirted. What flight and that even did you change clothes?

316
00:20:41,740 --> 00:20:47,740
Right there, the first bomb drops for Alex.

317
00:20:47,740 --> 00:20:50,740
So Alex is weaving this story, right?

318
00:20:50,740 --> 00:20:53,740
Everything he did the day and night of the murders.

319
00:20:53,740 --> 00:21:00,740
But at no point does he mention changing clothes?

320
00:21:00,740 --> 00:21:07,740
And what Alex didn't realize until right there at that very moment of that interrogation

321
00:21:07,740 --> 00:21:18,740
was there was a video of him in a completely different set of clothes than what Detective Owen saw him have on at the crime scene.

322
00:21:18,740 --> 00:21:26,740
Alex must have completely forgot he had a hunting camera in a tree.

323
00:21:26,740 --> 00:21:33,740
In that hunting camera, caught him earlier that day with Paul on the property in dress clothes,

324
00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:40,740
khaki pants and a collared shirt. However, when he was at the scene of those murders and Detective walked up,

325
00:21:40,740 --> 00:21:49,740
he had on a t-shirt in shorts. But he never mentioned in any of these prior interrogations,

326
00:21:49,740 --> 00:21:57,740
anything about changing clothes. So his story is unraveling right before our eyes.

327
00:21:57,740 --> 00:22:05,740
And in the interrogation video, which I'm going to upload to patron, you got to see his reaction when he's asked.

328
00:22:05,740 --> 00:22:11,740
So Alex, when did you change clothes?

329
00:22:11,740 --> 00:22:17,740
It is classic. We continue on.

330
00:22:20,740 --> 00:22:27,740
I'm not sure how it would have been before they had a record of it.

331
00:22:27,740 --> 00:22:34,740
What time of day was that? I would have thought that I'd already changed.

332
00:22:34,740 --> 00:22:38,740
There is not a time. I was down moment because there are so many posts.

333
00:22:38,740 --> 00:22:46,740
But I want to say it looks to be about a dusk, so that would then set in 30 to 40.

334
00:22:46,740 --> 00:22:53,740
I guess that changed when I got back to the house.

335
00:22:53,740 --> 00:23:05,740
Earlier when, earlier when we spoke, then you'd talk about waking up from your nap and then going to check on your mother.

336
00:23:05,740 --> 00:23:15,740
And you try to call Maggie, you try to call Paul, and then you send that or send that to the text that you were going to check on your mother.

337
00:23:15,740 --> 00:23:26,740
You also told me that Maggie didn't normally go with you to check on your mother, but that she might run out that night.

338
00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:29,740
Did you give her a check on her?

339
00:23:29,740 --> 00:23:30,740
Did my check on her mom?

340
00:23:30,740 --> 00:23:32,740
Maggie, before you left you go?

341
00:23:32,740 --> 00:23:35,740
No, I did.

342
00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:38,740
With her, I was calling to you.

343
00:23:38,740 --> 00:23:42,740
And thinking that she might run with you, I didn't know.

344
00:23:42,740 --> 00:23:51,740
I don't remember how to plan, that Maggie was going to ride with me.

345
00:23:51,740 --> 00:23:56,740
But maybe she had told me that she was that night.

346
00:23:56,740 --> 00:24:09,740
I don't remember that specifically, but I wasn't. She did have normally go with me.

347
00:24:09,740 --> 00:24:21,740
I mean, it's not like we had plans that she was going to ride with me, but if she was going from...

348
00:24:21,740 --> 00:24:32,740
I needed you to just max on a poor awful people.

349
00:24:32,740 --> 00:24:42,740
What brought you to take it from Mozilla to your mom's?

350
00:24:42,740 --> 00:25:00,740
I would have gone to Ride on Mozilla road, 63 in the barn now, turned left on the road right before

351
00:25:00,740 --> 00:25:12,740
6, 278, 6, 0, 1, and then in front of the school, turned right as I was leaving.

352
00:25:12,740 --> 00:25:20,740
Now what you just heard was Alex trying to explain that he doesn't remember changing clothes,

353
00:25:20,740 --> 00:25:24,740
which is weird because he can remember everything else.

354
00:25:24,740 --> 00:25:26,740
He just can't remember that.

355
00:25:26,740 --> 00:25:37,740
Then, Detective Owen pulls out some Google maps and he's wanting Alex to explain how he traveled home at night and during the day that day.

356
00:25:37,740 --> 00:25:43,740
And the reason they're doing this is they're trying to figure out when he could have dumped the guns.

357
00:25:43,740 --> 00:25:51,740
Remember, they don't have the murder weapons. Now they don't tell him that, of course, but that's what they're doing.

358
00:25:51,740 --> 00:26:01,740
They're trying to figure out what his path would have been to and from that property to see if those murder weapons show up in a lake that was on the way or something.

359
00:26:01,740 --> 00:26:07,740
But there was not a whole lot that came out of the conversation with those maps of any interest.

360
00:26:07,740 --> 00:26:16,740
So I cut some of that out. Then Detective Owen's asked Alex about visiting his mother because that's essentially Alex's alibi.

361
00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:24,740
He couldn't have done it because at the time the police had nailed down. You know, the murder had to happen between this time and this time.

362
00:26:24,740 --> 00:26:29,740
Alex was at his mother's. He couldn't have been at both places at once, right? That's his story.

363
00:26:29,740 --> 00:26:35,740
But Owen's presses him on that time frame in this club.

364
00:26:35,740 --> 00:26:41,740
How long did you go visit your mother?

365
00:26:41,740 --> 00:26:53,740
I mean, it wasn't in frequent. It wasn't all the time. I mean, visit her all the time of the day.

366
00:26:53,740 --> 00:26:58,740
You know, checking on her, especially with your bad name.

367
00:26:58,740 --> 00:27:06,740
She had been having a particularly, you know, she's got all the time, it's really bad or pretty bad.

368
00:27:06,740 --> 00:27:15,740
She had been particularly agitated.

369
00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:34,740
You know, when you're not being there, check on her more in the days and weeks.

370
00:27:34,740 --> 00:27:50,740
Owen, my dad's passing in in a other glass, but several times a week, you know, any time.

371
00:27:50,740 --> 00:27:56,740
How long would you say your reaction was? 45 minutes an hour.

372
00:27:56,740 --> 00:28:22,740
You know, I didn't go anywhere. I went straight there. I did it.

373
00:28:22,740 --> 00:28:28,740
I was a little earlier in the day when you were down at that shed and cannot miss.

374
00:28:28,740 --> 00:28:34,740
Owen, did you all this good? Is any injuries? Any dogs?

375
00:28:34,740 --> 00:28:45,740
Did he and I, that broken Gibson told me about the dog's tail?

376
00:28:45,740 --> 00:28:51,740
Did somebody say in this, "Leg was broken"? Stop it.

377
00:28:51,740 --> 00:29:04,740
Did he and I, that broken Gibson told me about the dog's tail?

378
00:29:04,740 --> 00:29:18,740
Did somebody say in this, "Leg was broken"? Which one, which one's his dog?

379
00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:19,740
It's a chocolate puppy, I think.

380
00:29:19,740 --> 00:29:21,740
Leg went crooked, was the leg broken?

381
00:29:21,740 --> 00:29:25,740
Not that I know of.

382
00:29:25,740 --> 00:29:35,740
I can certainly see what's up in, might be wrong with his tail because when I was out here he was chasing his tail and I'm going to put it through the fence and trying to grab it.

383
00:29:35,740 --> 00:29:40,740
I'm going to put it up the energy.

384
00:29:40,740 --> 00:29:45,740
When you got back to him, was there?

385
00:29:45,740 --> 00:29:52,740
When you got to him, you went in the, I went in the briefcase.

386
00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:53,740
To Maggie Paul.

387
00:29:53,740 --> 00:29:55,740
What dare work?

388
00:29:55,740 --> 00:29:57,740
Were there vehicles announced?

389
00:29:57,740 --> 00:30:01,740
Yes sir.

390
00:30:01,740 --> 00:30:03,740
How did they get countered at that night?

391
00:30:03,740 --> 00:30:09,740
Still, I was told that you were going to be out of town with that.

392
00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:12,740
The only thing that I could come up with is that black trope.

393
00:30:12,740 --> 00:30:14,740
Is that bus result of black trope?

394
00:30:14,740 --> 00:30:15,740
Yes sir.

395
00:30:15,740 --> 00:30:19,740
Does it normally stay down at the barn or is it stayed at the house?

396
00:30:19,740 --> 00:30:23,740
Both, both, both, erm, did Maggie ever walk down there?

397
00:30:23,740 --> 00:30:26,740
Maggie walked down there a lot.

398
00:30:26,740 --> 00:30:40,740
But Paul, I mean, had just, it would, it would, you showed me so proved that Paul walked down there that night I would be surprised.

399
00:30:40,740 --> 00:30:43,740
Absolutely surprised.

400
00:30:43,740 --> 00:30:49,740
Well thinking about Paul's health, Constellman, do you think Maggie could have gotten to walk that night?

401
00:30:49,740 --> 00:30:51,740
So come on with what would be this one down?

402
00:30:51,740 --> 00:30:57,740
You know, it's possible, but again, that would be highly unusual.

403
00:30:57,740 --> 00:31:05,740
He would have taught Perry in the ride.

404
00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:12,740
And then highly unusual for him to walk.

405
00:31:12,740 --> 00:31:20,740
So when you were at the kennels, you were just down there with Paul.

406
00:31:20,740 --> 00:31:25,740
You left, you went back to the house of him.

407
00:31:25,740 --> 00:31:34,740
You know, I mean Paul and I, I'm just knocking around up at the shop, the shed, the kennels, you know, just the whole property.

408
00:31:34,740 --> 00:31:41,740
And, and that was before there, yes sir.

409
00:31:41,740 --> 00:31:48,740
And you didn't go back down there after dinner until you were turned to a front, because it didn't in your mouth.

410
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:57,740
Yes sir.

411
00:31:57,740 --> 00:32:04,740
I've got information that Paul is going to find me.

412
00:32:04,740 --> 00:32:13,740
And Maggie was already in the background, and you were hurting the background.

413
00:32:13,740 --> 00:32:16,740
And that was prior to none.

414
00:32:16,740 --> 00:32:22,740
I heard a Roman Gibson asking me if I was up there who said he thought it was me.

415
00:32:22,740 --> 00:32:27,740
Detective Owens just dropped an even bigger bomb.

416
00:32:27,740 --> 00:32:38,740
This was the first time y'all that Alex Mardall found out he was actually on a recording with his voice in the background.

417
00:32:38,740 --> 00:32:43,740
Now, Ruggand did ask Alex previous to this interrogation.

418
00:32:43,740 --> 00:32:51,740
As a matter of fact, he asked him just a couple of days after the martyrs when family was at the Mozilla property comforting Alex.

419
00:32:51,740 --> 00:32:56,740
He asked him if he was at the kennels and he let him know I could have sworn I heard you in the background.

420
00:32:56,740 --> 00:33:00,740
So Alex wasn't surprised the question would come up.

421
00:33:00,740 --> 00:33:05,740
However, he was surprised they had an on recording.

422
00:33:05,740 --> 00:33:12,740
And you can see it all over his face in the actual video that I'm uploading to patron.

423
00:33:12,740 --> 00:33:18,740
Let's see how Alex responds to being impressed about him being at those kennels after he lied.

424
00:33:18,740 --> 00:33:23,740
And said he was not at the kennels with Paul and Maggie.

425
00:33:23,740 --> 00:33:28,740
Those of you at that non-accom.

426
00:33:28,740 --> 00:33:30,740
Yes sir.

427
00:33:30,740 --> 00:33:32,740
No sir.

428
00:33:32,740 --> 00:33:36,740
Not as my terms are right.

429
00:33:36,740 --> 00:33:39,740
Hey, could you think it could have been?

430
00:33:39,740 --> 00:33:43,740
No, I did.

431
00:33:43,740 --> 00:33:48,740
And Ruggand has been around your family for pretty much all of his life.

432
00:33:48,740 --> 00:33:49,740
Absolutely.

433
00:33:49,740 --> 00:33:57,740
He recognized you as your lawyers and you have a distinct voice.

434
00:33:57,740 --> 00:34:04,740
You think of anybody else that has always been the worst that he may have.

435
00:34:04,740 --> 00:34:07,740
Listen to her.

436
00:34:07,740 --> 00:34:10,740
No sir.

437
00:34:10,740 --> 00:34:14,740
And when we were talking he had asked me that.

438
00:34:14,740 --> 00:34:17,740
So, and they didn't told me.

439
00:34:17,740 --> 00:34:20,740
Did he thought I was up there?

440
00:34:20,740 --> 00:34:22,740
Did that surprise him?

441
00:34:22,740 --> 00:34:25,740
Yes sir.

442
00:34:25,740 --> 00:34:34,740
So when you were drawing back to the kennels, you were drawing home from your mothers.

443
00:34:34,740 --> 00:34:41,740
And then they were here, were the dogs.

444
00:34:41,740 --> 00:34:44,740
They were like they were.

445
00:34:44,740 --> 00:34:47,740
No one, I didn't put dogs up.

446
00:34:47,740 --> 00:34:49,740
So, they weren't run-moves.

447
00:34:49,740 --> 00:34:52,740
However they were.

448
00:34:52,740 --> 00:34:56,740
You have one point and no one called.

449
00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:58,740
You sit here.

450
00:34:58,740 --> 00:35:03,740
What you're talking to somebody else or something else.

451
00:35:03,740 --> 00:35:10,740
So, the dispatcher has asked me.

452
00:35:10,740 --> 00:35:20,740
If they're breathing and you said no.

453
00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:25,740
And she asked if you did you see anyone else in the area and you said no.

454
00:35:25,740 --> 00:35:29,740
She asked about guns near them and you said no.

455
00:35:29,740 --> 00:35:41,740
And then you come and start moving around and you say here.

456
00:35:41,740 --> 00:35:43,740
I don't have any memory of saying that.

457
00:35:43,740 --> 00:35:47,740
I guess I have to listen to it.

458
00:35:47,740 --> 00:35:50,740
But I don't recall the dog being out.

459
00:35:50,740 --> 00:35:56,740
I'm certain that there was not a dog out.

460
00:35:56,740 --> 00:36:05,740
And I mean, there's other things people have told me about it.

461
00:36:05,740 --> 00:36:13,740
Not one call, but I don't remember.

462
00:36:13,740 --> 00:36:16,740
I don't know here.

463
00:36:16,740 --> 00:36:18,740
I was calling the dog.

464
00:36:18,740 --> 00:36:20,740
Calling the dog, talking to somebody else.

465
00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:22,740
I don't know. That's why I'm asking.

466
00:36:22,740 --> 00:36:31,740
I mean, that's obviously there was nobody else out there.

467
00:36:31,740 --> 00:36:44,740
I'm saying, there's only internet, just...

468
00:36:44,740 --> 00:36:58,740
But nothing made no sense.

469
00:36:58,740 --> 00:37:00,740
So, here in the battle one one call.

470
00:37:00,740 --> 00:37:04,740
And we also talked about that that night.

471
00:37:04,740 --> 00:37:08,740
You returned back to the house to get a shotgun.

472
00:37:08,740 --> 00:37:11,740
What door did you enter?

473
00:37:11,740 --> 00:37:17,740
The best that I can remember. I went in the side door.

474
00:37:17,740 --> 00:37:21,740
And I went straight to the gun.

475
00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:23,740
Where you focused on 8 different shotguns.

476
00:37:23,740 --> 00:37:26,740
And under this umbrella.

477
00:37:26,740 --> 00:37:30,740
Not this crab one.

478
00:37:30,740 --> 00:37:35,740
How do you normally load your shotguns?

479
00:37:35,740 --> 00:37:40,740
Avonters, load shotguns, special ways.

480
00:37:40,740 --> 00:37:43,740
Different types of munitions.

481
00:37:43,740 --> 00:37:50,740
And I'm just seeing how you look towards it.

482
00:37:50,740 --> 00:37:57,740
I mean, I normally put it in the chamber and push the button.

483
00:37:57,740 --> 00:38:02,740
What types, what type of shotguns do you load?

484
00:38:02,740 --> 00:38:07,740
All kind of... I mean, not loaded.

485
00:38:07,740 --> 00:38:12,740
Birdshot, buckshot, slugs.

486
00:38:12,740 --> 00:38:14,740
And the same shot at the same time.

487
00:38:14,740 --> 00:38:20,740
I mean, would you load like a birdshot and a buckshot in the same load?

488
00:38:20,740 --> 00:38:24,740
Not normally. I mean, normally you put it in, you know,

489
00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:28,740
a load for whatever you're going to.

490
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:40,740
The reason I'm asking about that.

491
00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:43,740
The shot shells that we covered at night.

492
00:38:43,740 --> 00:38:46,740
One was a turkey load. One was a buckshot.

493
00:38:46,740 --> 00:38:48,740
I don't know if we should do that.

494
00:38:48,740 --> 00:38:51,740
The shotgun that you had with you at night.

495
00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:57,740
There was a birdshot and a buckshot.

496
00:38:57,740 --> 00:39:02,740
Once you have went back the next day, I'm not sure which attorney it was.

497
00:39:02,740 --> 00:39:06,740
pointed out that they're having a shotgun laying on the pool table.

498
00:39:06,740 --> 00:39:10,740
And he put away in point down that ammunition.

499
00:39:10,740 --> 00:39:15,740
That was with that, and it was a buckshot and a birdshot.

500
00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:20,740
And then the shotgun that we took for potential comparison.

501
00:39:20,740 --> 00:39:23,740
It was also loaded with a birdshot and a buckshot.

502
00:39:23,740 --> 00:39:30,740
So I have all these consistent loads along with what's up in the feed room.

503
00:39:30,740 --> 00:39:32,740
I call it the feed room. And it gills as well.

504
00:39:32,740 --> 00:39:33,740
But you call it?

505
00:39:33,740 --> 00:39:34,740
That's something.

506
00:39:34,740 --> 00:39:35,740
It's something good enough.

507
00:39:35,740 --> 00:39:36,740
Okay.

508
00:39:36,740 --> 00:39:39,740
I just want you to say feed room. I just want you to know what I'm talking about.

509
00:39:39,740 --> 00:39:43,740
The night I grabbed the shells that I could get my hands on,

510
00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:52,740
I had no idea exactly what I had.

511
00:39:52,740 --> 00:40:00,740
Busted at this point, Alex knows he's fucked.

512
00:40:00,740 --> 00:40:04,740
He knows the detectives know he's been lying.

513
00:40:04,740 --> 00:40:07,740
And again, you can see it all over his face.

514
00:40:07,740 --> 00:40:15,740
If you notice in that clip, Detective Owen is trying to give him kind of an out trying to see if Alex will just take the bait

515
00:40:15,740 --> 00:40:20,740
and say that Rogan was wrong and it was someone else's voice in the background.

516
00:40:20,740 --> 00:40:25,740
And even asked him, is it possible he misinterpreted your voice?

517
00:40:25,740 --> 00:40:33,740
And Alex actually admits that Rogan could not have misinterpreted his voice.

518
00:40:33,740 --> 00:40:38,740
And that was a genius move on the part of the detective.

519
00:40:38,740 --> 00:40:43,740
Because when Alex said that, the detective had Alex saying

520
00:40:43,740 --> 00:40:48,740
it had to be me at those kennels essentially without saying it.

521
00:40:48,740 --> 00:40:55,740
And y'all know it ain't hard to figure out if it's Alex Marta or not on that recording.

522
00:40:55,740 --> 00:41:02,740
Because he has one of the most aggravating voices according to the responses that I'm getting on the Facebook page

523
00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:07,740
that anyone could possibly have. It's definitely distinctive.

524
00:41:07,740 --> 00:41:13,740
Now he also mentions the 911 call. And he says that

525
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:20,740
Alex in the 911 call is heard saying here to somebody.

526
00:41:20,740 --> 00:41:25,740
And I played that for you several episodes ago that full 911 call.

527
00:41:25,740 --> 00:41:29,740
And indeed he does say here at one point.

528
00:41:29,740 --> 00:41:34,740
And again, the detective says was a dog out of the kennel.

529
00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:40,740
And you were saying here calling the dog and it was Alex that offered up and said

530
00:41:40,740 --> 00:41:46,740
no dogs were out of the kennel. But it begs the question.

531
00:41:46,740 --> 00:41:49,740
Was he handing something to an accomplice?

532
00:41:49,740 --> 00:41:55,740
And while you're simmering on that, we'll get into the buckshot and birdshot loads they were talking about with him.

533
00:41:55,740 --> 00:42:00,740
And what they were talking about they were referencing on the scene that they found

534
00:42:00,740 --> 00:42:04,740
Paul shot and there were two different types of shotgun shells.

535
00:42:04,740 --> 00:42:08,740
One type of load was buckshot.

536
00:42:08,740 --> 00:42:11,740
One type of load was birdshot.

537
00:42:11,740 --> 00:42:18,740
And y'all it's very irregular for both loads to be in the same shotgun at the same time.

538
00:42:18,740 --> 00:42:20,740
Usually it's one of the other.

539
00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:25,740
And why would he press Alex so hard on that?

540
00:42:25,740 --> 00:42:28,740
And I'll tell you the answer.

541
00:42:28,740 --> 00:42:33,740
It's because the shotgun that Alex grabbed remember he left the kennels, went to the house, got a shotgun

542
00:42:33,740 --> 00:42:46,740
and came back because he was quote unquote scared. That shotgun was loaded with two different types of loads, birdshot and buckshot.

543
00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:50,740
And y'all that is so irregular.

544
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:55,740
It almost automatically connects Alex to the crime.

545
00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:57,740
But we continue.

546
00:42:57,740 --> 00:43:05,740
Also when we talked, I asked you if it was Paul keep guns down at the junk.

547
00:43:05,740 --> 00:43:11,740
And he said you had to check. Have you been able to check to see what was missing from your collection?

548
00:43:11,740 --> 00:43:14,740
I have.

549
00:43:14,740 --> 00:43:22,740
Yes, I know what's missing from what I believe is missing from our guns.

550
00:43:22,740 --> 00:43:31,740
And what are those? There's three guns that I think are missing.

551
00:43:31,740 --> 00:43:33,740
And what kind of guns is this?

552
00:43:33,740 --> 00:43:42,740
There would be a finale shotgun, a brownie shotgun and a coke shotgun.

553
00:43:42,740 --> 00:43:47,740
The finale and the brownie and the copper audits.

554
00:43:47,740 --> 00:43:51,740
The finale and the brownie are automatic.

555
00:43:51,740 --> 00:43:56,740
And the whole shotgun and the friends that I believe it's aremic to it but I'm not positive.

556
00:43:56,740 --> 00:44:01,740
Well then you know, they like standard brown, black, all black or camel.

557
00:44:01,740 --> 00:44:17,740
The, the, the, the, the black, the brownie is camel and the coke is camel.

558
00:44:17,740 --> 00:44:21,740
Would you have to see her numbers recording there?

559
00:44:21,740 --> 00:44:25,740
I don't have them recorded but I'm sure.

560
00:44:25,740 --> 00:44:28,740
I don't know where to pump.

561
00:44:28,740 --> 00:44:40,740
Stop the exactly came from but I should be able to have the finale and the brownie.

562
00:44:40,740 --> 00:44:46,740
We don't know if they're stolen or where they are.

563
00:44:46,740 --> 00:44:50,740
So I really can't get them entered into NCIC.

564
00:44:50,740 --> 00:44:51,740
Go ahead.

565
00:44:51,740 --> 00:45:00,740
But I could have large ATF to where if that gun is run, that there wouldn't be a lot on it and it would help you.

566
00:45:00,740 --> 00:45:03,740
At least back to the gun and the person that may have had it.

567
00:45:03,740 --> 00:45:04,740
Absolutely.

568
00:45:04,740 --> 00:45:07,740
So if we work on that, it does.

569
00:45:07,740 --> 00:45:09,740
It seems possible.

570
00:45:09,740 --> 00:45:16,740
Actually we said the finale is black, white, camel and the pulp is camel.

571
00:45:16,740 --> 00:45:17,740
Yes, they are.

572
00:45:17,740 --> 00:45:18,740
Okay.

573
00:45:18,740 --> 00:45:27,740
The brownie is a brown camo and the pump is a green camo.

574
00:45:27,740 --> 00:45:36,740
And you know, I understand also that a 300 was used that night.

575
00:45:36,740 --> 00:45:47,740
And I know there's been some, I understand John Battingfield said he only had two of those.

576
00:45:47,740 --> 00:45:57,740
One of which was lost three a long time ago but I'm telling you now I am certain that we replaced that gun.

577
00:45:57,740 --> 00:45:58,740
All right.

578
00:45:58,740 --> 00:46:02,740
Actually John knows that he sold Maggie be third gun.

579
00:46:02,740 --> 00:46:03,740
Okay.

580
00:46:03,740 --> 00:46:04,740
Okay.

581
00:46:04,740 --> 00:46:11,740
And the story was that she was supposed to let you know that she paid for it for you to go sign the paperwork.

582
00:46:11,740 --> 00:46:13,740
And that never occurred.

583
00:46:13,740 --> 00:46:14,740
Okay.

584
00:46:14,740 --> 00:46:15,740
So that's right.

585
00:46:15,740 --> 00:46:16,740
It wasn't a number.

586
00:46:16,740 --> 00:46:17,740
Okay.

587
00:46:17,740 --> 00:46:19,740
He has to, he has to know.

588
00:46:19,740 --> 00:46:23,740
He just doesn't have any thought of sale on the ATF paper.

589
00:46:23,740 --> 00:46:26,740
That was a place in the world.

590
00:46:26,740 --> 00:46:36,740
I think it's a fall loss, yes, that's dread.

591
00:46:36,740 --> 00:46:38,740
And both of those 300 serial numbers or with the ATF and flagged in the system.

592
00:46:38,740 --> 00:46:41,740
So when they pop up, they give you to those.

593
00:46:41,740 --> 00:46:43,740
Okay.

594
00:46:43,740 --> 00:46:47,740
And that's, you know, we talked about the shopshelves.

595
00:46:47,740 --> 00:46:54,740
So the cartridge casings, which we're going to have blackout cartridge casings, that were found by Maggie.

596
00:46:54,740 --> 00:47:01,740
There were also cartridge casings found by your house by the side of the world together.

597
00:47:01,740 --> 00:47:04,740
And that's your chute range.

598
00:47:04,740 --> 00:47:07,740
Maggie.

599
00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:14,740
There were also cartridge casings found by your house by the side of the world together.

600
00:47:14,740 --> 00:47:18,740
And at the chute range.

601
00:47:18,740 --> 00:47:28,740
The ones by the house and some of the ones found at the chute range are confirmed matches to the ones found by Maggie.

602
00:47:28,740 --> 00:47:31,740
Okay.

603
00:47:31,740 --> 00:47:33,740
So, which gives another concern.

604
00:47:33,740 --> 00:47:41,740
I've got the same load as the shopshelves in multiple guns and 300 blackout.

605
00:47:41,740 --> 00:47:44,740
That match was one time in your property.

606
00:47:44,740 --> 00:47:49,740
So you now believe it does not cause guns for the cheese.

607
00:47:49,740 --> 00:47:50,740
Yes.

608
00:47:50,740 --> 00:47:51,740
Okay.

609
00:47:51,740 --> 00:47:54,740
And the plot thickens as you just heard it.

610
00:47:54,740 --> 00:47:59,740
Detective Owen drops probably the biggest bomb of the day.

611
00:47:59,740 --> 00:48:02,740
And something Alex knew nothing about.

612
00:48:02,740 --> 00:48:10,740
So he mentions those spent cartridges, the bullet casings, that were fired from a 300 blackout that was used to kill Maggie.

613
00:48:10,740 --> 00:48:16,740
And he mentions those casings, those spent casings were found around her body.

614
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:28,740
But what he just informed Alex of was the fact that the same spent cartridges were found on another part of the property, totally separate from that night.

615
00:48:28,740 --> 00:48:32,740
But yet they were fired from the same gun.

616
00:48:32,740 --> 00:48:34,740
That's huge.

617
00:48:34,740 --> 00:48:40,740
Probably the biggest piece of evidence so far that Alex just became aware of.

618
00:48:40,740 --> 00:48:43,740
And let me tell you how they know that.

619
00:48:43,740 --> 00:48:47,740
Unlike when you fire a shotgun, a shotgun uses shells.

620
00:48:47,740 --> 00:48:52,740
Spent bullets when they are fired from a rifle they create striations.

621
00:48:52,740 --> 00:48:55,740
And that happens in pistols as well.

622
00:48:55,740 --> 00:48:58,740
But in this case we're talking about rifles.

623
00:48:58,740 --> 00:49:04,740
The striations are basically lines in that spent bullet casing as you fire it.

624
00:49:04,740 --> 00:49:09,740
And those striations marks they're unique from gun to gun, kind of like fingerprints.

625
00:49:09,740 --> 00:49:19,740
So this is valid proof that Paul's missing 300 blackout was used to kill Maggie.

626
00:49:19,740 --> 00:49:39,740
valid proof we continue.

627
00:49:39,740 --> 00:49:53,740
Nolan recalls Paul's first 300 going missing around Halloween at a 40th hand.

628
00:49:53,740 --> 00:49:56,740
Halloween of 2020?

629
00:49:56,740 --> 00:49:57,740
Win the job.

630
00:49:57,740 --> 00:49:58,740
No, that's not true.

631
00:49:58,740 --> 00:49:59,740
No, no, no, no.

632
00:49:59,740 --> 00:50:03,740
It was, it was whatever Christmas you got it.

633
00:50:03,740 --> 00:50:06,740
So 17th Christmas of 17th.

634
00:50:06,740 --> 00:50:13,740
So it was the Halloween after in 18th is when Nolan leaves it was taken out of Paul's truck.

635
00:50:13,740 --> 00:50:16,740
There was a lot of them.

636
00:50:16,740 --> 00:50:22,740
It was taken along a lot of these notes but a Mark Williams or Matt Williams.

637
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:24,740
So family friend.

638
00:50:24,740 --> 00:50:29,740
And I'm I'm a head and a wrong but there was hundreds of people at this Halloween party.

639
00:50:29,740 --> 00:50:33,740
Nolan says the dolls were there, kids were there.

640
00:50:33,740 --> 00:50:45,740
And he knows, Nolan knows that he goes in Paul's truck when they got to the party and when they went to leave the party, he upstairs.

641
00:50:45,740 --> 00:50:52,740
So that's the time when that got this missing.

642
00:50:52,740 --> 00:51:12,740
It's been a while.

643
00:51:12,740 --> 00:51:26,740
Another part in the novel one call, you made the comment I should have known.

644
00:51:26,740 --> 00:51:33,740
And the question that's around it, you can just imagine asking as anybody else supposed to be at the house.

645
00:51:33,740 --> 00:51:36,740
And you said no man, please hurry.

646
00:51:36,740 --> 00:51:42,740
And she says we're getting somebody out there to you. And your next comment was I should have known.

647
00:51:42,740 --> 00:51:45,740
What do you reference in investigate?

648
00:51:45,740 --> 00:52:03,740
I don't remember saying that but I guess you know all the threats and you know you have been convinced it was something to do with both red and you know all of that.

649
00:52:03,740 --> 00:52:19,740
All of it physical with you.

650
00:52:19,740 --> 00:52:29,740
They were getting too, he should have already been able to get physical. One time, I mean you little bit where he would have listened to me.

651
00:52:29,740 --> 00:52:33,740
Did you ever get physical with him? No sorry.

652
00:52:33,740 --> 00:52:37,740
I'm not a magnet of all get physical with magnet.

653
00:52:37,740 --> 00:52:51,740
I'm sure she probably went too much times. I just wanted to do it all.

654
00:52:51,740 --> 00:53:01,740
And the one time Paul did that he had had too much to drink in a very isolated, insular.

655
00:53:01,740 --> 00:53:04,740
Where was that? Was that a museum or?

656
00:53:04,740 --> 00:53:21,740
That was that museum. That was pretty recent. No sir. It did that. A lot.

657
00:53:21,740 --> 00:53:36,740
When you turn, Paul and yourself on top of you pick it up and you're staying with something like I thought about doing something but then I'll put it back down.

658
00:53:36,740 --> 00:53:41,740
And I was the end to you. Our first end of you.

659
00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:56,740
I don't know. I mean it. When I went up to you and the phone came out.

660
00:53:56,740 --> 00:54:00,740
I don't remember having the intentions of doing anything with the phone.

661
00:54:00,740 --> 00:54:10,740
I moved back with you. You don't ate dinner together after a miss Maggie got home and you have all got back from running around.

662
00:54:10,740 --> 00:54:15,740
Can you estimate about how long you got what a bit of a dinner table or eight?

663
00:54:15,740 --> 00:54:23,740
I mean it wasn't any long drum out dinner. You know, just...

664
00:54:23,740 --> 00:54:41,740
I mean, it just... I guess it's not about any... You said there was a conversation at the dinner table but...

665
00:54:41,740 --> 00:54:52,740
You had D20 minutes? Okay, I don't know how it takes it.

666
00:54:52,740 --> 00:55:04,740
Is this yes? Okay.

667
00:55:04,740 --> 00:55:12,740
He... I'll be right back. You just earlier about when you all ran around the port.

668
00:55:12,740 --> 00:55:21,740
And you said, "Y'all have... the pistol gun, the pistol on the pro-coyote shot a few times. Really not hard to bite some shot a few times."

669
00:55:21,740 --> 00:55:30,740
You said that you had... on that day you didn't see any long guns, right? For shotguns in the vehicle prior to that.

670
00:55:30,740 --> 00:55:36,740
How long prior to that? You recall seeing it guns or any guns in that vehicle.

671
00:55:36,740 --> 00:55:50,740
I mean, Paul always had guns. Okay, so... I mean, it was very unusual for Paul not to have guns.

672
00:55:50,740 --> 00:55:59,740
And when you say "gunned rifles" or shotguns or everything, both... Okay, sir.

673
00:55:59,740 --> 00:56:11,740
His truck that he normal drove, I believe it was the flat-runs, went to the shop and that pride prior to...

674
00:56:11,740 --> 00:56:23,740
I think Mark... Mark Ball went and got some video from Jimmy Butler's that shows Paul dropping the truck off and not removing anything from it.

675
00:56:23,740 --> 00:56:32,740
So basically, he would have taken the rifles out at home. Do you know what can do with those rifles?

676
00:56:32,740 --> 00:56:39,740
If he would have put them in a truck or if he put them in the house or... what do you?

677
00:56:39,740 --> 00:56:50,740
So the truck that he drove, where was it parked on that front? Where would be a small day or thing now?

678
00:56:50,740 --> 00:57:05,740
I'm not sure... I'm not sure where it was parked on the truck that he drove on Friday.

679
00:57:05,740 --> 00:57:09,740
What did he... what truck did he swap out from?

680
00:57:09,740 --> 00:57:17,740
I think when he went to Charleston, Dale said that he helped those trucks about two more than the white forts.

681
00:57:17,740 --> 00:57:27,740
And I never wanted to gas it. I wanted to diesel. You know what I mean? So it wouldn't have been the gas truck going to Charleston.

682
00:57:27,740 --> 00:57:39,740
I'm not sure. So this occurred the Friday before everything happened?

683
00:57:39,740 --> 00:57:46,740
Yes, sir.

684
00:57:46,740 --> 00:57:53,740
I'm not sure on Friday, erm...

685
00:57:53,740 --> 00:58:10,740
I don't stay in the hospital with my dad. I don't believe that I saw Paul.

686
00:58:10,740 --> 00:58:17,740
On Friday, when Joe got off the Columbia. Oh, Saturday.

687
00:58:17,740 --> 00:58:26,740
What if Paul got off the truck? You know, I mean Paul, see it.

688
00:58:26,740 --> 00:58:33,740
I mean, he'd have to go to sports when he was a crown, but that wasn't his thing.

689
00:58:33,740 --> 00:58:41,740
He'd go... is that always... how it's always been? Or... because of the moving stuff?

690
00:58:41,740 --> 00:59:02,740
No, no, no. He was an interballer as much.

691
00:59:02,740 --> 00:59:17,740
One thing that I'm trying to understand is your timeline. You said you'd probably go to the office at 3, 9 o'clock, 10 o'clock, and you left early around 5 to 5, 30.

692
00:59:17,740 --> 00:59:28,740
And there's been some other timelines, sort of, times that we've talked about. You can't quite remember what the times are or what time of day it was.

693
00:59:28,740 --> 00:59:33,740
When you dispatch your ass to you, when was the last time you saw Maggie and you were told Maggie?

694
00:59:33,740 --> 00:59:44,740
You said I don't have to have two hours to go. To me, that's, you know, a set... you can flip out thinking about it. You should route it off that time.

695
00:59:44,740 --> 00:59:52,740
We're sitting here trying to figure out a timeline in... you have a troll coming up with a specific time.

696
00:59:52,740 --> 01:00:08,740
Tell me it's there. Tell me again what I said to the dispatcher.

697
01:00:08,740 --> 01:00:15,740
You said, "And I want to have a good probably two hours." And what time was that?

698
01:00:15,740 --> 01:00:26,740
That was when you were on phone, and then I would call it, "Made it 10/6."

699
01:00:26,740 --> 01:00:33,740
So, given two hours, that would end eight.

700
01:00:33,740 --> 01:00:46,740
I mean, I think that's probably about... I think that's probably about right.

701
01:00:46,740 --> 01:00:50,740
So, you believe I'm giving you an inconsistent answer?

702
01:00:50,740 --> 01:00:56,740
No, I'm just trying to write my mind around it when I'm asking you what time you went to the office that day.

703
01:00:56,740 --> 01:01:10,740
What time you got home? You know, you said 5 to 530. I've gotten the court read out from the law firm, and it shows you going in at 530.

704
01:01:10,740 --> 01:01:14,740
Going home, you know what I'm saying?

705
01:01:14,740 --> 01:01:19,740
And Randy says, "When he lived about 6 o'clock, you were still there."

706
01:01:19,740 --> 01:01:27,740
So, the times are...matchin' up. I'm just trying to get an understanding of the law.

707
01:01:27,740 --> 01:01:33,740
I believe I left...that's not the first time I was at my office that day.

708
01:01:33,740 --> 01:01:40,740
There were several readings which the court wouldn't work. So, they actually had to let you in.

709
01:01:40,740 --> 01:01:52,740
But I've got your court opening the door at the law firm at 530.

710
01:01:52,740 --> 01:01:58,740
And then, Randy saying, "When he left at 6, you were still there."

711
01:01:58,740 --> 01:02:02,740
I'm just trying to understand.

712
01:02:02,740 --> 01:02:10,740
You know, I left the office earlier than I normally did it. I was from a normal time to leave.

713
01:02:10,740 --> 01:02:19,740
I mean, it's not unusual for me to be there to a dark. I try to get home in Magizo, you know, 4-dawr.

714
01:02:19,740 --> 01:02:24,740
I shouldn't know what it's saying out there by myself or that's right.

715
01:02:24,740 --> 01:02:36,740
So, you know, it feels 530 or 6. I don't think I was still there at 6 o'clock.

716
01:02:36,740 --> 01:02:46,740
But, you know, if I was, it wasn't long after that.

717
01:02:46,740 --> 01:02:56,740
So, you know, I wouldn't...I believe that I went straight home.

718
01:02:56,740 --> 01:03:04,740
So, you know, my car had been able to get to share my latest animal, my horse, do work, and all that.

719
01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:08,740
Okay. That's a long process.

720
01:03:08,740 --> 01:03:25,740
I mean, I got home early enough for Paul and I to ride the property for a substantial length of time.

721
01:03:25,740 --> 01:03:30,740
You know, more than an hour, I thought probably a couple of hours.

722
01:03:30,740 --> 01:03:43,740
That we were to get somewhere jumping down the river. We rode down all the roads, I believe.

723
01:03:43,740 --> 01:03:47,740
I believe that we...

724
01:03:47,740 --> 01:03:54,740
I mean, we rode all of them. We rode all of them.

725
01:03:54,740 --> 01:03:59,740
Okay. So, what is David Owen doing here?

726
01:03:59,740 --> 01:04:12,740
Absolutely hammering that timeline. And he found a lot of discrepancies in what Alex was saying versus what he knew from investigating the case.

727
01:04:12,740 --> 01:04:27,740
One of those things that he brought up was the cord used to access Alex's office was showing one time in where Alex was claiming he was at that time, which was 530pm, was somewhere completely different.

728
01:04:27,740 --> 01:04:39,740
So, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out either somebody took your cord and went in your office and unlocked the door or you're lying.

729
01:04:39,740 --> 01:04:52,740
And listen closely to this one. David Owen's breaks down a little of what he feels occurred that night. It's in this clip.

730
01:04:52,740 --> 01:05:01,740
I've been able to answer some of your questions. I know you probably have no... but with my questions trying to get things cleared off about...

731
01:05:01,740 --> 01:05:03,740
didn't you say answers?

732
01:05:03,740 --> 01:05:07,740
Well, I mean, I do know more than I did for years.

733
01:05:07,740 --> 01:05:13,740
I said, "Yes, I mean, some of those questions have certainly..."

734
01:05:13,740 --> 01:05:15,740
Yes, sir.

735
01:05:15,740 --> 01:05:16,740
What else is it?

736
01:05:16,740 --> 01:05:30,740
What other questions do you have there?

737
01:05:30,740 --> 01:05:37,740
I would like to know exactly what happened.

738
01:05:37,740 --> 01:05:39,740
Me too.

739
01:05:39,740 --> 01:05:53,740
The best is that I've been able to put together. Till at least, look at Alex. We're going to get an answer.

740
01:05:53,740 --> 01:05:56,740
I believe...

741
01:05:56,740 --> 01:06:02,740
I'll always have first.

742
01:06:02,740 --> 01:06:12,740
I thought it was going to be a stupid fact that we were just looking at it.

743
01:06:12,740 --> 01:06:14,740
We have to stop twice.

744
01:06:14,740 --> 01:06:21,740
I thought it was going to be a stupid fact because we could go in and turn it back in.

745
01:06:21,740 --> 01:06:26,740
We may honestly never know who was first.

746
01:06:26,740 --> 01:06:33,740
But I think it was Paul for the simple fact.

747
01:06:33,740 --> 01:06:43,740
He wouldn't have if he saw his mother in a shot. He wouldn't have run to that fever.

748
01:06:43,740 --> 01:06:46,740
Unless that's where one of the guns was.

749
01:06:46,740 --> 01:06:55,740
But, you know, we've already established family guns were used.

750
01:06:55,740 --> 01:07:03,740
If they came from Paul's truck, Paul's truck was at house. So, where were they?

751
01:07:03,740 --> 01:07:07,740
Not at the beginning, but how did they get down there?

752
01:07:07,740 --> 01:07:12,740
I mean, it's normal for y'all to leave your keys in the cars.

753
01:07:12,740 --> 01:07:20,740
However, if somebody showed up and did this, you're not going to take Paul's truck back into the house and leave the key to it.

754
01:07:20,740 --> 01:07:29,740
But, you know, we've already established family guns were used.

755
01:07:29,740 --> 01:07:35,740
If they came from Paul's truck, Paul's truck was at house. So, where were they?

756
01:07:35,740 --> 01:07:39,740
Not at the beginning, but how did they get down there?

757
01:07:39,740 --> 01:07:45,740
I mean, it's normal for y'all to leave your keys in the cars.

758
01:07:45,740 --> 01:07:53,740
However, if somebody showed up and did this, you're not going to take Paul's truck back into the house and leave the key to it.

759
01:07:53,740 --> 01:07:58,740
Do you know that the guns were at the truck? Could they have been somewhere else?

760
01:07:58,740 --> 01:08:02,740
They could have been somewhere else. I mean, he wasn't taking it. He didn't have his normal truck.

761
01:08:02,740 --> 01:08:16,740
I understand that no one to believe he saw the gun three weeks before he had any.

762
01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:22,740
And I have a talk to him, but is he believes it was no one did?

763
01:08:22,740 --> 01:08:26,740
Not the one that was at the house.

764
01:08:26,740 --> 01:08:33,740
I think it was a vanilla, but he was shotgun, and he always kept it. Paul always kept it with him.

765
01:08:33,740 --> 01:08:39,740
Paul primarily kept it. Yeah, he kept it. But, one of a couple of vanilla.

766
01:08:39,740 --> 01:08:42,740
Yeah, it was a camel vanilla.

767
01:08:42,740 --> 01:08:46,740
There's the last one at Paul that I'll know it's all.

768
01:08:46,740 --> 01:08:49,740
And, uh, HDD.

769
01:08:49,740 --> 01:08:57,740
Sometimes, but, so the middle of your rifle, is that? Do you have that book at home? Yes, sir.

770
01:08:57,740 --> 01:09:00,740
That's what he saw? That's what he saw.

771
01:09:00,740 --> 01:09:08,740
I was told by somebody that you know, saw a, um, 300.

772
01:09:08,740 --> 01:09:14,740
He told me he had not seen a 300 cents march. He entered a Turkish season.

773
01:09:14,740 --> 01:09:24,740
Okay, well, somebody.

774
01:09:24,740 --> 01:09:28,740
Well, those were the go-to guns and those were the last ones that he saw.

775
01:09:28,740 --> 01:09:31,740
HDD and the vanilla.

776
01:09:31,740 --> 01:09:40,740
He had not seen a 300 cents march. He entered a Turkish season.

777
01:09:40,740 --> 01:09:55,740
And, he definitely saw it in a Turkish season because now it was some point in the back when it was missing at Christmas time.

778
01:09:55,740 --> 01:10:00,740
The third one was missing at Christmas time? Yes, sir.

779
01:10:00,740 --> 01:10:13,740
So, um, anyway, if he saw it in March.

780
01:10:13,740 --> 01:10:19,740
You don't get any kind of forensic or anything, you'll find it.

781
01:10:19,740 --> 01:10:21,740
Just the rain in there.

782
01:10:21,740 --> 01:10:25,740
I mean, we got plenty of DNA from the scene, but, yeah.

783
01:10:25,740 --> 01:10:32,740
It's known since Rogan, since Alex, since Paul's, it's Maddie's, it's Buster's.

784
01:10:32,740 --> 01:10:35,740
Hey, can you tell me for sure?

785
01:10:35,740 --> 01:10:38,740
Um, did you know about them?

786
01:10:38,740 --> 01:10:45,740
Who else? After they were shot first?

787
01:10:45,740 --> 01:10:48,740
Not long.

788
01:10:48,740 --> 01:11:02,740
Was that... I... the shoe would happen very quickly. Very quickly.

789
01:11:02,740 --> 01:11:05,740
Is this one person, two persons, three persons?

790
01:11:05,740 --> 01:11:16,740
It's important to note throughout the entire investigation up to this point that this is the first time Alex ever asked Detective Owen.

791
01:11:16,740 --> 01:11:25,740
Throughout the whole investigation, if Detective Owen felt there was more than one person involved.

792
01:11:25,740 --> 01:11:32,740
The very first time that seems strange to me. We continue.

793
01:11:32,740 --> 01:11:41,740
We got two guns, we got two different types of ammunition, it's hard to say.

794
01:11:41,740 --> 01:11:48,740
Not me, who else is left here, no?

795
01:11:48,740 --> 01:11:53,740
Matter of seconds, give that.

796
01:11:53,740 --> 01:12:03,740
Thank you.

797
01:12:03,740 --> 01:12:22,740
You all been able to get anything off, and we might be able to leave on any break days.

798
01:12:22,740 --> 01:12:24,740
Let me ask you this question.

799
01:12:24,740 --> 01:12:31,740
It comes from Randy.

800
01:12:31,740 --> 01:12:35,740
He'll tell you what you love this for.

801
01:12:35,740 --> 01:12:41,740
You know, they get a lot of friends in the community.

802
01:12:41,740 --> 01:12:50,740
From the upper echelon to the lowest socioeconomic level.

803
01:12:50,740 --> 01:12:59,740
They think that they can ask people to keep their sound, loose lips, talking, and that kind of stuff.

804
01:12:59,740 --> 01:13:02,740
But they don't want to reach out to anybody.

805
01:13:02,740 --> 01:13:08,740
Unless they think it's okay.

806
01:13:08,740 --> 01:13:10,740
I'm not talking about paying people to do stuff.

807
01:13:10,740 --> 01:13:12,740
The best of here is...

808
01:13:12,740 --> 01:13:16,740
Well, I'm talking Randy about this as well. He posed that question to me.

809
01:13:16,740 --> 01:13:26,740
I'm not going to ask anybody who walked from or anybody who found the hate to go out and see what you can find.

810
01:13:26,740 --> 01:13:28,740
And the fort begged me.

811
01:13:28,740 --> 01:13:29,740
Sure.

812
01:13:29,740 --> 01:13:34,740
Because then it could be construed as they were working as an agent in the state.

813
01:13:34,740 --> 01:13:35,740
Sure.

814
01:13:35,740 --> 01:13:37,740
And I actually had to put...

815
01:13:37,740 --> 01:13:39,740
You didn't explain that.

816
01:13:39,740 --> 01:13:45,740
So I told Randy, I said, "I certainly can't stop you from going out."

817
01:13:45,740 --> 01:13:49,740
But I wouldn't ask them what they know.

818
01:13:49,740 --> 01:13:53,740
And they would report that to me telling the call me.

819
01:13:53,740 --> 01:13:57,740
Telling the call to the tip line, we have still some.

820
01:13:57,740 --> 01:14:04,740
Or if you hear somebody talking about it, encourage them to call.

821
01:14:04,740 --> 01:14:08,740
Or give me the name and I'll go call them.

822
01:14:08,740 --> 01:14:10,740
I hear it.

823
01:14:10,740 --> 01:14:15,740
I don't know if you know how many, I mean, not anything.

824
01:14:15,740 --> 01:14:22,740
It's not snuffing at all. That really makes you think, "Hey, this is look good."

825
01:14:22,740 --> 01:14:25,740
We know, like I said, we only do have the DNA we have.

826
01:14:25,740 --> 01:14:28,740
Our family is close friends.

827
01:14:28,740 --> 01:14:32,740
We don't have any favorite ones.

828
01:14:32,740 --> 01:14:39,740
We don't have, unfortunately, we don't have any shoe wear or tire wear or dress and impressions because it rained that night.

829
01:14:39,740 --> 01:14:50,740
The only thing that we can go off of are the cell tower dumps.

830
01:14:50,740 --> 01:14:55,740
Or the FBI was out and they were out on your property on Friday, right, and right,

831
01:14:55,740 --> 01:14:58,740
and trying to get some cell phone data.

832
01:14:58,740 --> 01:15:03,740
Unfortunately, all of that takes time.

833
01:15:03,740 --> 01:15:10,740
You'll have to send the, because this vehicle is new, you have to send that off.

834
01:15:10,740 --> 01:15:12,740
It says, "Not tonight."

835
01:15:12,740 --> 01:15:15,740
When we hire X-Bar City Command and just download it.

836
01:15:15,740 --> 01:15:19,740
It's 2021 and they don't have the system support yet.

837
01:15:19,740 --> 01:15:22,740
But they're working near a forgating system.

838
01:15:22,740 --> 01:15:26,740
From what I understand.

839
01:15:28,740 --> 01:15:34,740
No, I don't know exactly how the on-star thing works out of control.

840
01:15:34,740 --> 01:15:36,740
But this is something different.

841
01:15:36,740 --> 01:15:38,740
Where's all the contained in the same thing?

842
01:15:38,740 --> 01:15:41,740
They're two different systems that we took out.

843
01:15:41,740 --> 01:15:47,740
One is on-star and the other one is the telemetry system or info-tank that's on it.

844
01:15:47,740 --> 01:15:50,740
The FBI says there is information there.

845
01:15:50,740 --> 01:15:54,740
They just have to be able to extract it from shooting and reporting.

846
01:15:54,740 --> 01:15:57,740
I'll see you just wait for this.

847
01:15:57,740 --> 01:16:00,740
I'm waiting on the search warrant from on-star.

848
01:16:00,740 --> 01:16:05,740
Let's see what kind of information they can give me.

849
01:16:05,740 --> 01:16:11,740
You need to bust sign something, X-Bitite's that.

850
01:16:11,740 --> 01:16:23,740
I told you, "I don't need a car, but whoever we need to, we'll sign whatever authorization you need."

851
01:16:23,740 --> 01:16:31,740
So you had said that, or maybe Jim told me or something about,

852
01:16:31,740 --> 01:16:34,740
"Y'all were able to get a pulse phone just for the search warrant."

853
01:16:34,740 --> 01:16:40,740
We have a call of partial download because we don't have the passcode.

854
01:16:40,740 --> 01:16:43,740
We can't do a full extraction.

855
01:16:43,740 --> 01:16:45,740
Do you think?

856
01:16:45,740 --> 01:16:59,740
My thought was that I don't know who's required to authorize a couple to open it.

857
01:16:59,740 --> 01:17:04,740
I know that they think they want to do it in whatever case.

858
01:17:04,740 --> 01:17:08,740
But I thought that if we...

859
01:17:08,740 --> 01:17:11,740
I think Maggie in the phone.

860
01:17:11,740 --> 01:17:15,740
I think it was in her name, the account was in her name.

861
01:17:15,740 --> 01:17:19,740
You have to have your own separate iCloud account for each phone.

862
01:17:19,740 --> 01:17:23,740
We've done that for Maggie's pulse and Alex.

863
01:17:23,740 --> 01:17:28,740
I cloud accounts to see if there was anything in there.

864
01:17:28,740 --> 01:17:31,740
There was nothing in Paul's.

865
01:17:31,740 --> 01:17:34,740
I'm still waiting on Maggie's.

866
01:17:34,740 --> 01:17:36,740
Maggie did that curse off?

867
01:17:36,740 --> 01:17:42,740
I know that. Does that mean Paul didn't back his up?

868
01:17:42,740 --> 01:17:45,740
Probably.

869
01:17:45,740 --> 01:17:49,740
My thought was, and I don't know if this is even possible,

870
01:17:49,740 --> 01:17:54,740
but if we get the estate, we get the personal representative.

871
01:17:54,740 --> 01:17:57,740
He was now the authorize person.

872
01:17:57,740 --> 01:18:00,740
The authorize is to be open.

873
01:18:00,740 --> 01:18:03,740
I mean, around about 100 lawyers.

874
01:18:03,740 --> 01:18:06,740
We did it a bit time ago.

875
01:18:06,740 --> 01:18:09,740
I don't have the power appointment done there.

876
01:18:09,740 --> 01:18:12,740
Two days, we can offer us whatever it is you need to open.

877
01:18:12,740 --> 01:18:14,740
That might be beneficial.

878
01:18:14,740 --> 01:18:16,740
I know nothing wrong with that.

879
01:18:16,740 --> 01:18:18,740
Somebody not talked about that before.

880
01:18:18,740 --> 01:18:23,740
Well, I do it in any other extent.

881
01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:26,740
Who would be the representative?

882
01:18:26,740 --> 01:18:28,740
Just somebody to offer them.

883
01:18:28,740 --> 01:18:29,740
Probably?

884
01:18:29,740 --> 01:18:33,740
No, for Maggie and Paul's estate?

885
01:18:33,740 --> 01:18:34,740
Yeah.

886
01:18:34,740 --> 01:18:37,740
Probably me or...

887
01:18:37,740 --> 01:18:42,740
Who ever it is, it doesn't matter.

888
01:18:42,740 --> 01:18:46,740
Who ever it is, would be whatever you all need to do.

889
01:18:46,740 --> 01:18:50,740
It won't be united that and be uncooperative.

890
01:18:50,740 --> 01:18:53,740
Well, I mean, if you all go ahead and start working on that,

891
01:18:53,740 --> 01:18:57,740
then we'll reach out to Apple and figure out how we did that accomplished.

892
01:18:57,740 --> 01:19:00,740
All right?

893
01:19:00,740 --> 01:19:04,740
Because there's gotta be something there.

894
01:19:04,740 --> 01:19:07,740
There's gotta be something there.

895
01:19:07,740 --> 01:19:11,740
Um...

896
01:19:11,740 --> 01:19:13,740
I can't make any of those.

897
01:19:13,740 --> 01:19:21,740
I mean, have you all had to track down all the black guys on the internet?

898
01:19:21,740 --> 01:19:25,740
Or just only the ones that you think seem a little more...

899
01:19:25,740 --> 01:19:27,740
The opportunity and the inclination, you know?

900
01:19:27,740 --> 01:19:28,740
There's been a few.

901
01:19:28,740 --> 01:19:30,740
There's been a few that I'm looking at.

902
01:19:30,740 --> 01:19:31,740
Yeah.

903
01:19:31,740 --> 01:19:35,740
But somebody information is just so far-fetched.

904
01:19:35,740 --> 01:19:38,740
I talked with one guy.

905
01:19:38,740 --> 01:19:45,740
He called it and said, "Well, I knew that Maggie's son bought a house right around the corner."

906
01:19:45,740 --> 01:19:49,740
I'm like, "Okay, well, they did."

907
01:19:49,740 --> 01:19:54,740
That Maggie had left her husband some time ago.

908
01:19:54,740 --> 01:19:58,740
It was going to move to Florida to be closer to her father.

909
01:19:58,740 --> 01:20:00,740
Because the mother was dead.

910
01:20:00,740 --> 01:20:02,740
And I'm like, "Okay, thank you, Bob."

911
01:20:02,740 --> 01:20:04,740
So there's a lot of that stuff.

912
01:20:04,740 --> 01:20:05,740
Yeah.

913
01:20:05,740 --> 01:20:07,740
People that want to get involved.

914
01:20:07,740 --> 01:20:12,740
People that think they have some information.

915
01:20:12,740 --> 01:20:20,740
You know, especially the matter of death, they're all in the place.

916
01:20:20,740 --> 01:20:26,740
Well, I mean, you know, I've been talking to Lincoln in the press about not disclosing stuff, but Jesus Christ now.

917
01:20:26,740 --> 01:20:28,740
You don't have anything to disclose.

918
01:20:28,740 --> 01:20:32,740
And, you know, why are you going to tell a bad guy what you got?

919
01:20:32,740 --> 01:20:34,740
I mean, I just don't understand it.

920
01:20:34,740 --> 01:20:36,740
I mean, look.

921
01:20:36,740 --> 01:20:41,740
Nobody wants to know more than this man right here and this man right here.

922
01:20:41,740 --> 01:20:43,740
Everybody else?

923
01:20:43,740 --> 01:20:53,740
They have far, far, far, far, far, far, far, content with the, you know, the shot.

924
01:20:53,740 --> 01:20:56,740
If you're one of them, no, the other one was dead.

925
01:20:56,740 --> 01:20:58,740
Or have been shot.

926
01:20:58,740 --> 01:21:01,740
I think it's impossible.

927
01:21:01,740 --> 01:21:08,740
I think it is impossible.

928
01:21:10,740 --> 01:21:13,740
But you certainly published your first?

929
01:21:13,740 --> 01:21:14,740
I believe he was.

930
01:21:14,740 --> 01:21:15,740
I'm not certain.

931
01:21:15,740 --> 01:21:17,740
I believe he was.

932
01:21:17,740 --> 01:21:20,740
Maggie would have known it had been with you.

933
01:21:20,740 --> 01:21:23,740
You long ago, how soon I asked her what she was shot?

934
01:21:23,740 --> 01:21:30,740
And it all depends on how many shoes are there.

935
01:21:30,740 --> 01:21:39,740
I mean, if we're looking at two shooters, it could happen at the same time.

936
01:21:39,740 --> 01:21:47,740
If we're looking at one shooter, it would happen.

937
01:21:47,740 --> 01:21:55,740
And don't, I know, I know you can't help but think about it, but don't beat yourself up over getting the answer.

938
01:21:55,740 --> 01:21:59,740
It's not going to do anything to you.

939
01:22:05,740 --> 01:22:19,740
When I ask you, now that you've talked to me, are you willing to, if you're some of my family, Maggie's, mom and dad, or sister, are you willing to talk to them?

940
01:22:19,740 --> 01:22:22,740
Okay.

941
01:22:22,740 --> 01:22:25,740
I know, I'll meet them where they want to.

942
01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:27,740
I mean, I'll meet them.

943
01:22:27,740 --> 01:22:29,740
And I'll see them.

944
01:22:29,740 --> 01:22:42,740
I know, I mean, I live in Charleston, so it's not something for me to shoot up to someone willing, maybe the grandsters.

945
01:22:42,740 --> 01:22:43,740
Thank you.

946
01:22:43,740 --> 01:22:45,740
I know you all are doing everything you can.

947
01:22:45,740 --> 01:22:49,740
And I don't think any person would think that you're asking me these questions.

948
01:22:49,740 --> 01:22:56,740
And then you got to do what you got to do.

949
01:22:56,740 --> 01:23:01,740
Well, then I hate to give any questions to the media.

950
01:23:01,740 --> 01:23:05,740
But with the media, keep going, you in there.

951
01:23:05,740 --> 01:23:07,740
You got to ask questions.

952
01:23:07,740 --> 01:23:17,740
If I can get every bit of evidence possible, that's going to exonerate.

953
01:23:17,740 --> 01:23:27,740
Then you get my car stuff, I don't help.

954
01:23:27,740 --> 01:23:32,740
You said earlier, Maggie didn't like staying up to bar sales.

955
01:23:32,740 --> 01:23:39,740
Was there any kind of, I know we asked you once before in the world earlier interviews about cameras.

956
01:23:39,740 --> 01:23:46,740
And if you all had talked about doing any kind of camera system out there, stuff getting missing, Maggie talking about stuff getting missing.

957
01:23:46,740 --> 01:23:49,740
You know, we hear that type of stuff.

958
01:23:49,740 --> 01:23:53,740
We never really had problems with stuff missing.

959
01:23:53,740 --> 01:24:01,740
But we still talked about getting cameras and doing all of that.

960
01:24:01,740 --> 01:24:04,740
But we said done it.

961
01:24:04,740 --> 01:24:08,740
We talked about it for a while.

962
01:24:08,740 --> 01:24:18,740
Not really any conversation about stuff up and walking away or getting missing between you and me.

963
01:24:18,740 --> 01:24:22,740
Any conversations between me and Maggie about stuff?

964
01:24:22,740 --> 01:24:31,740
You and Paul either want about stuff that had been missing or somebody came up and taken from the bar or from the house or anything like that.

965
01:24:31,740 --> 01:24:41,740
The only thing that I can remember being discussed, missing with some drills and some no-hockey tools.

966
01:24:41,740 --> 01:24:48,740
How long ago was that?

967
01:24:48,740 --> 01:24:54,740
A couple of, it was sent CB.

968
01:24:54,740 --> 01:24:57,740
Got hired.

969
01:24:57,740 --> 01:25:01,740
Pretty sure.

970
01:25:01,740 --> 01:25:14,740
Because that was one of the things Paul, when he was looking for him, he was going to ask CB.

971
01:25:14,740 --> 01:25:30,740
And I had a boy working out there for just a short period of Matt Loose.

972
01:25:30,740 --> 01:25:33,740
Is that the first time you heard his name?

973
01:25:33,740 --> 01:25:36,740
The last name I heard.

974
01:25:36,740 --> 01:25:38,740
Matt Loose.

975
01:25:38,740 --> 01:25:40,740
I think it spelled O-U-C-E.

976
01:25:40,740 --> 01:25:46,740
Okay, so I brought you all the way through this thing.

977
01:25:46,740 --> 01:25:58,740
And finally, just before the interview wrapped up at the best time possible when he could catch Alex completely off guard,

978
01:25:58,740 --> 01:26:07,740
Detective Owens asked the question, "We have probably all been waiting for."

979
01:26:07,740 --> 01:26:09,740
Listen to this.

980
01:26:09,740 --> 01:26:11,740
A few more questions.

981
01:26:11,740 --> 01:26:13,740
Did you kill Maggie?

982
01:26:13,740 --> 01:26:15,740
No. Did I kill my wife?

983
01:26:15,740 --> 01:26:16,740
Yes.

984
01:26:16,740 --> 01:26:17,740
No, lady.

985
01:26:17,740 --> 01:26:19,740
Did you not kill Paul?

986
01:26:19,740 --> 01:26:21,740
No, I did not.

987
01:26:21,740 --> 01:26:23,740
Who did it?

988
01:26:23,740 --> 01:26:24,740
Did you kill Paul?

989
01:26:24,740 --> 01:26:26,740
No, I did not kill Paul.

990
01:26:26,740 --> 01:26:27,740
Did you not kill him?

991
01:26:27,740 --> 01:26:28,740
No, sir.

992
01:26:28,740 --> 01:26:32,740
I did not know who did.

993
01:26:32,740 --> 01:26:38,740
Do you think I killed Maggie?

994
01:26:38,740 --> 01:26:43,740
I have to go with the evidence in the fact that you did not kill him.

995
01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:48,740
I have to go with the evidence in the fact that I did not kill Paul.

996
01:26:48,740 --> 01:26:53,740
I have to go with the evidence in the fact that I did not kill him.

997
01:26:53,740 --> 01:26:56,740
I have to go with the evidence in the fact that I did not kill him.

998
01:26:56,740 --> 01:27:00,740
I have to go with the evidence in the fact that you did not kill him.

999
01:27:00,740 --> 01:27:04,740
I have to go with the evidence in the fact that you did not kill him.

1000
01:27:04,740 --> 01:27:14,740
With everything that we have talked about with the family guns, the ammunition,

1001
01:27:14,740 --> 01:27:21,740
nobody else's DNA,

1002
01:27:21,740 --> 01:27:25,740
I have to put my police aside and go with the facts.

1003
01:27:25,740 --> 01:27:30,740
And there it was, straight up,

1004
01:27:30,740 --> 01:27:37,740
and you could almost sense Alex Murdole squirm.

1005
01:27:37,740 --> 01:27:44,740
And shout out to sled detective David Owens.

1006
01:27:44,740 --> 01:27:53,740
I've seen well over a thousand interrogation videos, total, doing what I do.

1007
01:27:53,740 --> 01:28:04,740
And I am telling you this may be one of the best interrogations I've ever seen.

1008
01:28:04,740 --> 01:28:10,740
Perfect job by detective Owens.

1009
01:28:10,740 --> 01:28:13,740
And there you have it.

1010
01:28:13,740 --> 01:28:22,740
Now, next week, we will pick up with what occurred immediately following this interview

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01:28:22,740 --> 01:28:33,740
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01:28:33,740 --> 01:28:46,740
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01:29:54,740 --> 01:30:01,740
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1033
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