“Murdaugh" Episode Seven | The Interrogations Part One

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June 10th of 2021, the day of the passing of Randolph-Mertall,

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Alex gets a call from Sled wanting to meet and get more information into the murders of Paul and Maggie.

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Alex agrees and with his lawyer present, an interview is conducted in the parking lot of a business in Collerton County.

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Alex in great detail covers his steps leading up to,

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during and immediately following those murders and what he reveals would eventually become the key piece of evidence

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in the double murder at Mozel and with it, release a shocking chain of events that would spend this small community

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into the global spotlight.

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Welcome to Exposed, scandalous files of the elite,

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Murdall, Episode 7, the interrogations, Part 1.

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Hey, everyone and welcome back to Exposed, scandalous files of the elite, I'm your host,

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Jim Chapman, and we are continuing the Murdall series with this 7th episode.

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And when we left you last, we told you the story of Gloria Satterfield's untimely passing on the Murdall property.

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And we covered the details on that story, so we're going to move on and as I told you in the last episode,

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just a few days after Maggie and Paul Murdall were murdered, Randolph Murdall, Alex's dead, he died

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at the age of 81 and that was on June 10th of 2021.

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And interestingly enough, something else occurred of major consequence that day,

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and that was an interrogation or as it was referred to an interview of Alex Murdall by sled investigators.

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And this was the second time they had talked to him since the murders.

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Now, present in that interview, which took place in a vehicle, and I know they seemed to love doing

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interviews and interrogations and vehicles in South Carolina, but that's, this is the second one

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inside of vehicle, third one inside of vehicle, if you count busters, bestie that they interviewed in a vehicle.

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But inside this vehicle were Alex Murdall, one of Alex Murdall's lawyers, the primary investigator

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from sled and another investigator from sled. And they were seated in a small vehicle. Alex Murdall

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was in the front seat with the primary investigator in the back seat was Alex Murdall's attorney and

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that other investigator. And here's how I'm going to approach this particular episode because

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these interrogations, these interviews, whatever you want to call it, they're very important.

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This is probably the most important aspect of this podcast is that you hear this in full.

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And there's no way I can tell you the story without you hearing these and really grasping what's

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going on. The one I'm going to play you today, it's about an hour in length, but I'm not going to play

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the whole interrogation/interview straight third. I'm going to play a little bit of the clip,

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and then we're going to talk about what we heard in that aspect of the club. And then I'll continue on

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with the club and so on until the end. So here's what that first interrogation sounded like,

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and a few minutes into it, we'll talk about when these key points happen. This is June 12th of 2021.

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One thing I want to do before we start is I'd like to get a cell phone exam so we can just

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cooperate with everything. I'm going to get a consent and I got a guy here that's going to do it.

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Are you going to download it now? Yes sir. Okay great. So I'll get to keep my phone. Yes sir. Good.

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What, how much attorney-client privilege stuff is on there? A lot. Okay. We do have a tank attorney that's

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going to examine it before we ever do. What does a tank attorney? A tank attorney. They look at somebody

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who's not affiliated with the case that makes sure that there's Jim Dino in the case plan.

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I mean it's a privilege attorney that doesn't, if there is attorney-client privilege information,

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it's as redactual or an extravagant body at a tank attorney. How did they know who's the client?

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I know. It doesn't matter. Yeah. Whatever it is. You know what? But if you all get someone

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attorney-client, let's know. You know what would go through me. So signature. Just write your name here.

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So Alec, I've had situations where they smell a big deal. Give me a list of all his clients or

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home. I know what the problem is. I think the big thing, Joe, is I mean when you download that phone,

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if I don't, emails come with it or not, because that's probably where all is. Turn client privilege stuff.

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And we can actually isolate the emails. Yeah, that's probably where you don't text. My email

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clients. No, I do my text a lot of clients. Okay. I'm not a big emailor. Is that an 11 or 12? Do you know?

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I do not know. All right, so when we spoke the other night, I got kind of a basic overview.

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Yes, sir. And it was pretty traumatic. That's okay. I know you need to ask me. You asked me what you need to

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do. So I just I want you to let's start Monday morning and and take me through your day.

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Monday morning. You know, that I do Monday morning. My wife and my older son had gone to the baseball

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games that weekend. I really can't remember what I did Monday morning. I know I went to work.

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You know, I think I was dragging a little bit from the weekend and I went to work. I usually mess

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around on my farm and then I go to work. I was at work. Got you know. We at the office in Hampton or?

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Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Is that my office in Hampton? You know, I mean, I was just at my office doing

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legal work. Yes, sir. I'm sure I can go back and probably recreate some specifics if you need me

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to, but I can't like sit here and recall on the top of my head exactly what I was working on. I know

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one thing I was working on was we had some we had some big motions coming up and a

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dominion energy case. I was getting ready for those and I was getting ready for some motions. I'm

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a defendant in a civil case involving my son. I told you about the boat wreck. Yes, sir. And there

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was some motions coming up in that on Thursday and I was mostly just getting ready for those things.

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And then other junk. What time did you leave the house to go to the office? I'm not sure.

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Who, who, who I was at the house when you left?

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To go to my office that morning or when you got up who was at the house?

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I'm sure my wife was and I can't remember if Blanca had made it out there yet or not.

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And who was Blanca? Blanca is our housekeeper. Okay, okay.

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And she comes different. She doesn't have set hours but she comes most days.

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She'll be out of tell you if I was there when she left or not. I just can't remember.

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And so you, when in the office you did some motions. What time did you leave the office?

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I left a little bit earlier than normal because my son Paul was coming home

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because he had not been with us during the weekend and he was coming home. We were going to,

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we were going to replant some sunflowers the next day. Okay. And so he was calibrating,

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doing and getting everything ready. So he got home a little early. I left a little early.

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So he and I could knock around and we knocked around for you know just doing things we like to do

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out there. You know, we're riding around looking at food plots, looking for hogs,

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a little bit of target shooting, just bullshit. Yeah.

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You said Paul wasn't with you over the weekend where does he live with you at the house on Mozilla?

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Well, I mean that's his home. He has an apartment in Columbia. And he goes to Charleston a lot of

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weekends with his buddies. And he had been in Charleston for the weekend. And then Paul works

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for my brother John. This is out here. You met John. So Paul works for him. So Paul decided to go to,

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he went to spend a night with my brother, his uncle John. They were very, very close.

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Okay. Sonny night. And then he worked for John Marvin and he came home Monday afternoon.

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Okay. About roughly what time in the afternoon? You know, I would think it would be somewhere

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in the five o'clock range a little bit. It was it was broad daylight when we were. It wasn't

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dust darker late. You know, and we rode, you know, we just rode around. We rode around our

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doof feel looking at how the corn was doing. He had he had an eye at planting corn in the doof feel.

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And he planted a corn in the duck pond and he was, you know, showing me how much better his corn was

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doing than mine was. And we rode around the duck pond. I mean, we just, you know, we rode the property.

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Yes, sir. You know, we just, we rode the property. Then, you know, I mean, we, we rode around so much.

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We just rode probably.

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It was a good little while. It was more than 20 minutes, 30 minutes. And you know, was it two hours? I

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don't know. I'd say it was more than an hour probably. Really wasn't keeping track of time.

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And it wasn't, you know, it wasn't getting dark, mama wasn't home yet. She'd gone to a doctor's appointment.

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So, you know, just out of curiosity target practice. Look, don't shoot.

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Just a little bottle. He, he, he gave me what gun? Yeah. A 22 magna.

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Bradshot. I think no, what a Bradshot. I think he shot, I think he shot two times and I shot one time.

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So after y'all got finished riding around and try to take me through the rest of the evening.

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All right. Um, you know, at some point, we were all back at the house together. Um, Maggie had gotten home

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and, you know, we sat down, we ate supper, and which we usually supper together. Um, so,

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um, the one thing I remember, I don't know how much detail y'all want. So if I start talking about

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something that you don't need, just tell me and I'll move to something else. The more detailed,

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the better. So Paul has been having, um, high blood pressure and his mama was worried sick about it.

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So we were actually, you know, this was a direct thing getting him, he'd unlike go to doctors,

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making him go get his blood pressure checked, his feet are swollen up recently. So, you know, that was,

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it was a, it was a big huge deal. Okay. You know, we hung around the house for a little while.

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I know that Maggie went to the kennels. Um, I don't know exactly where Paul went, but he left a house too.

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Okay. How did Maggie get down to the kennels? I don't know exactly, but on normal occasion,

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she would drive, drive a buggy, drive a four wheeler or very common for her to walk.

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Okay. How about Paul? What's Paul wasn't much of a walker, but he would use all of the others.

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Okay. Um, but it, I mean, it could be anyway, you know, I don't know exactly, I wish I could help you with that.

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So, so they left and went down to the kennels? Well, Maggie went to go to the kennels and Paul left.

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And I'm assuming, you know, I'm assuming Paul left because of, you know, what happened. I mean,

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I'm assuming Paul went to the kennels. Okay. Um, and what did you do when, once Maggie had

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Paul left? I stayed in the house. Okay. And I was watching TV looking at my phone and I actually fell

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asleep on the couch. Okay. And what time did you, you know, I don't know exactly what time I woke up,

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but when you all get my phone, you know, I think one of the first things I did when I got up was

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called Maggie because I was going to my mom's. And I know I texted her because I check my phone and

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what time do we say the text was Jim like 906. I didn't see it. Yeah, I got it written down for me.

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I showed you the other night, yes, yes, so I got to. So, you know, I texted her, so I called her just

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before that. And I mean, she, she didn't answer at that point. And I left to go to my mom's. Okay.

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Yeah. Okay. Y'all just have to look, I don't, I'm not sure if I called Paul. And that, and that's

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why we're getting the phone so we can nail down the times and everything. So I left a drove.

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Well, you know, I'm gonna tell you all this, even though I think it's kind of crazy, you know,

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I was certain that I heard them pull up. I mean, I was positive that I heard and people don't

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just come out there. You know, we don't get like pass through. I was certain that I heard them pull up,

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but I, but they didn't. Okay. Well, if you heard something pull up, what did it sound like?

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You know, I don't, I can't tell you what it sounded like. I just noted, I thought they, I thought that

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that my wife had pulled up or had pulled up. Would it would have been the buggy that she normally

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drives or would it be a car? No, no, I had the impression that a car pulled up. Okay. You know,

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yeah. So as you just heard, Alex gets into the car and the first thing the detective did is ask

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for his cell phone. So the detective in the back seat, he's got a laptop and he's gonna download

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that information while they talk. Now, at first, Alex Murdole, he seems like he's more than willing

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to do this, but as they're discussing it, Alex is getting more and more irritated. And in the actual

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video version of this, you can see it on his face, how irritated he's getting. Clearly. So if you're

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a national slab or above on Patreon, I'm going to upload that video and you can check that out for

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yourself. I highly recommend you check out the video that I'm uploading as well because there's a

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lot of things that you're going to see in his mannerisms that are very disturbing, but we'll move on.

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In that clip, you also heard him go through his day on that Monday and he's very detailed. Almost

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two detailed. Very few questions were asked by the investigator in that clip. Yet, Alex could not

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shut up with these extremely intricate details. And the problem with that is that Emma seems

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rehearsed. I mean, think about it. If someone asked you what you did four days ago,

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would you be able to be that detailed on the spot? Like that. Now, a couple of that with having a

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tragedy such as your wife and your son getting their heads blown off. Are you going to be able to

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be that detailed on what happened? The day that all that occurred in your family. And here's the

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gist of his claims so far. He wakes up that Monday. He goes to work. He leaves the house early because

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Paul was coming home. Paul finally gets home and he and Paul hang out. They shoot guns at a bottle

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on the property and then they get back to the house. Maggie leaves. She goes to the kennels,

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presumably to see the dogs and play with them. Paul walks out of the house and Alex, he's not sure

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where Paul went, but he falls asleep on the couch. He wakes up. Nobody's there. He calls. Nobody

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answers Maggie's phone so he texts Maggie and he doesn't get a response and he leaves and he goes

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to visit his mom. But as you just heard, he mentions right before he left that he thought he heard a

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car pull up. He actually says, you know, you're going to think I'm crazy, but he goes into that claim.

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And I submit to you, this is a deflection tactic by Alex and he's he's basically trying to

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get the focus off of himself and onto a potential car pulling up full of his sassins, right? When

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he dismisses it with, you're going to think I'm crazy, but to me, that's a sign and we'll get

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into that more detail in a little while, but I'm going to continue with the interrogation club.

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And had you woken up by that time, but hadn't left for your moms? Yep. Okay. And

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and but it wasn't much time in between there because I left pretty damn close. It wasn't much time

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between me waking up and me leaving the house. And when I went outside, you know,

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there's a cat, a wild cat that lives around that house. I'm pretty sure it was the cat that ran

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from my car, but you know, I never had the impression it was a person, but there was something.

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Okay. You know, but I really don't think, you know, I'm just throwing out at it because it was in my mind.

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Yeah, nope, that's fine. I left, I drove to, I drove to my moms. I checked on my mom. She lives right

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out here. She lives in Almeida. She checked on my mom, talked with Shelly for a few minutes. You know,

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shelly is the caregiver. And, um, you know, I noted, I called some people on the way to, I know I

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returned to call from a brother, John. Um, I noted, I called Chris Wiltson. Um, I noted, I talked to Buster.

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Um, so I made a few phone calls. Okay. And where was Buster? Buster was in Rockville.

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Okay. Is that where he lives or? No, he lives in Columbia, but he just started a new job. He's going

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back to law school in January. Okay. So he's working a little part time job with wild wings.

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Okay. Uh, through January. Gotcha. You know, just kind of killing time. And he was in, um,

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his girlfriend lives in Rockville. She's studying for the Barg Sam. So he had to be in Charlotte.

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So he was staying with her in Rockville, her and her mom. Okay. Can I open the store?

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So, I, so where are we? So then I left your mom's and making phone calls. I left my mom's and I went back

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home. I got to the house. I went inside. Nobody was there. I got in the car. I went back to the kennels and,

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you know, when you went back to the kennels besides Maggie and Paul, did you see anybody? Any cars?

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I didn't see anything right then. No, sir. Take your time. You know, I saw Maggie and I saw Paul laying down. I knew,

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you know, I didn't know, you know, I knew it was bad. I went over there and, you know, I saw it. Yeah.

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And, you know, I called 911. Okay.

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And, yeah, what, what made you decide to go back to the house and get it going?

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I thought, yeah, this thing, the whole scene had me freaked out. Okay.

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Did you, you take your car back up there? Or do you run up there? No, I drove. Okay.

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And of course, you shot gun that we have is the one you brought back.

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They were asking me earlier. I'm not sure which one it was.

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Jim it was a 12 gauge. I know. Yeah, Ronnie had a question. If it was 12 or 20, it was a 12 gauge.

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And it was that camo? Yes, sir. I think it was the 12 camo finale.

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But now the finale. Thanks for that.

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But that's about all you got. The now they got it right?

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So there you heard it again. Something made a noise. And he says, it could have been a wildcat or something.

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He brings that up, but he's planning seeds with that detective, right?

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He goes to his mom. He talks to the caregiver, Shelley. And you'll put that in your back pocket,

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especially Shelley. Remember that name for the future, Shelley, because it plays the second most

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critical role in this case, upcoming. So he says he went to his moms and then he returned some calls

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at his mother's house, presumably in his truck, right? Before he leaves, he picks up a cell,

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find these returning calls, making calls, leaves his moms, gets back to Mozel, goes inside. And he sees,

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no one's no one's here. According to him, he remembers the last time he saw Maggie, she was going to

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the kennels. So he heads out there and that's where he finds his wife and son dead in calls, no one.

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Now the most important clues about this section, I just played you were not in his words,

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but his actions in that video version. You can clearly see a lot of visual clues that he's lying.

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And as I said, I'll upload that to the Patreon, but you can hear him sniffing several times in this clip.

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Yet there's no snott. And every time the investigator looks at him, he rubs his eyes. But there's no tears

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to white. Those or distinct tells you that Alex is giving off what a tell is is something you do

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every time you lie. Or if you feel like you have to be doing something. So if he's talking about

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finding them at the kennels and his mind racing through, he's thinking, I should be crime right now.

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And I'm not. So when the detective looks at him, he wipes away these fake tears that don't exist.

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His eyes aren't red, they aren't swollen, there's no tears coming out. He's wiping dry eyes.

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You can see all that in the video version. And remember a few episodes ago, I think it was the Kennel

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episode. I told you about Paul's bestie and that he and Paul, they were face timing about his besties,

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doll being hurt. And Paul's bestie said that Alex was at those kennels because he heard Alex talking

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in the background of the video. And he heard Maggie talking in the background of the video. Yet,

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Alex just claimed that he didn't go to the kennels until after he got back from his moms,

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and they were already dead. But what Alex doesn't know at this time is that the investigators

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already know, or they're quite confident that he was at those kennels. So the second that he left that out,

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I submit to you, he became the prime suspect because why would you lie about that, right? The

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interrogation continued. And we talked about this a little bit the other night too.

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I know Paul had been getting some threats and getting some some been and being assaulted from

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you know, the boat. Who stands out in your mind besides the boat incident, who stands out in your mind

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that would want to come after Paul and or Maggie.

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I mean sir, I can't think of anybody who would want to go to that extreme, you know? I mean,

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he got a bunch of threats is mostly from, you know, I mean, I have no idea.

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How would he receive most of those threats?

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What do you mean?

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I mean, would people call and hang up on them or send them to the taxi or social media?

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Now it was mostly like in-person confrontations or the ones that I learned about. Now,

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I suspect his friends can probably tell you about more because I doubt Paul told me about all of them.

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Okay. But I knew about a lot of them, you know? There were a lot of times where people would come up

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to him and he'd be like, they'd say something about, you know, you're going to tell me who was driving

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that boat or you little piece of shit. Were you driving that boat, you know, stuff like that?

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Okay.

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Who did he go to Charleston with on the boat that weekend?

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I don't know, for exactly. I know that, I mean, I know who his buddies are but specifically who

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was on the boat with him, I'm not sure. You know, but I can give you a list of names of who it probably was.

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So Joe, I don't know if you want me to boy in here and you may want to put your pins down, but

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um, a good buddy of mine, Simon, fishin with me yesterday, out of the notion and he has a best friend

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and his dad's name is Lee Chapman, but yeah, the kid said, Lee Sun said that Paul slept on his

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couch in Charleston two nights before he was born. So as Lee Chapman's son, I can give his name,

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he probably know Lee's police son, but he goes to a son, but that's where Paul are.

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Okay. And I learned that yesterday, I don't fish a show when he's, I have to stand.

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Look cool. I mean, yes, sir, if you could get me Lee Chapman's son's contact information.

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There was a bunch of Chapman cousins that Paul was very close with, the closest one being

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Will's Chapman and Frank Chapman. Will's Chapman's his name, but I'll get you number one.

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Frank is John Chapman's son and Will's is Lee Chapman's son.

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Yeah, okay. That's where you want. And those boys are, you know, they're just really good

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boys and friends of Paul's. And one of them is Will's with the nests, right?

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That's right.

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And Will's goes to the Citadel. Let's show him a stand.

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No, he's graduated from the South graduate school.

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Okay. And Frank was in the Citadel, but I think he had some kind of, you know, academic troubles.

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But I mean, I'm telling you now, I can promise you that, I mean, those boys love Paul.

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Well, it's none of it's absolutely.

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Well, you know, I just want to talk to them about their weekend, didn't you?

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Sure.

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Yeah.

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I can tell you this, and right around with Paul, he was his normal bright.

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You know, just remember those. He was a really great kid.

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So being a dad myself, what was the biggest issue you had with Paul when you had to call him down

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and scold him or correct him? What was the biggest issue you had with Paul?

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You know, I mean, I had a responsibility, you know, he was ADHD. He was bad about jumping from

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and he had so many wonderful qualities now, but he was bad about jumping from. He'd start this,

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maybe not quite finish it, move, do something else.

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And, you know, you'll find out from his friends, he had clothes strung out all over the state.

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He did that with clothes, he did that with guns, he did that with my boots.

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So he lost what?

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He would miss play stuff, or just leave stuff behind, right?

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Yes, everywhere, everywhere. I mean, he would go off for the weekend,

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sometimes he wouldn't back clothes because he's got clothes in somebody's house.

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And then Paul, Paul was one, he, he wouldn't understand how you go out, you know.

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You and one, you and a girl go out on the date, he, he, he liked the crowd.

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And who was his girlfriend?

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He didn't have a girlfriend right now.

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Okay.

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Now, the last time I told him, it was like two weeks ago, although we texted, he was going to

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Greenville where we cannot, he had friends of their, girl friend of them.

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No, no, we had a family, we had a family thing in Greenville and he came up on, he came up,

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Paul didn't play golf, he came up on Friday and stayed Saturday and then he left to go to Charleston

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and we were staying another day to play golf.

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My niece, my wife's side is having a baby and we went up for that.

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And you said on Monday, Maggie had a doctor's appointment in Charleston and then we talked about

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this on Monday. Do you call the doctor that she went to or for what the reason was?

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Maggie had a couple little things going on and I personally think she was going to see Dr.

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Gordine but I'm not positive. I'm pretty sure that's who it was.

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I can find out specifically though her mom will know.

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Okay. And you said she and she and Buster were at the ball games all weekend?

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Yes.

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What about with me?

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With you and what ball games?

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Carolina regional.

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They didn't make it past those, did they?

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No.

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Did Paul, when no Paul was in Charleston so he didn't hang out with you all that weekend?

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No sir.

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And what time did Maggie get back home Monday night?

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It was, it was after Paul and I had gone.

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She was not there when Paul and I left to go mess around.

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Okay.

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So you know it was sometime after that so there was a point when you know she got back we got back.

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When you all got back from riding around and messing around on the farm was she home or?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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So and I don't believe she'd been home too long when when

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and what's her core?

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And you said Bianca prepared dinner that night?

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Yeah Blanca, Blanca Cook, cook dinner that night because Maggie cooks, you know,

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when the boys were home or she tries to really for me but she wasn't going to be there that day.

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So she had Blanca cook a meal.

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How is your relationship with Maggie?

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Very good.

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That's good as it could possibly be.

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I mean you know we had our issues but wonderful.

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And I'm just trying to understand the family dynamic.

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Understand you got to do what you got to do.

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I promise.

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What was y'all's biggest arguments?

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What your biggest argument?

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The things that y'all would argue about the most?

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What would they be over?

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I mean we really didn't argue but the basic, I'd say the really the only thing that caused

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any friction between us is she was always wanting us to go and I love her in laws.

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I mean they're wonderful people.

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I love her death.

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She was always wanting to go there stay there a little longer than me and the boys

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wanted to stay.

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That was really and it really, you know she'd get ticked off.

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Yeah.

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You mean her family?

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You said you're in laws.

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You mean her family?

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I mean her family.

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I mean we really didn't argue about much.

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Man how much to argue about?

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I mean I'm sure there was an occasional thing that came up that we argued about but I can't

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tell you what it is.

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Take it time.

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Go.

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It's too sweet.

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Go.

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It's hard.

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I'm sure it's a wonderful girl.

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I'm a wonderful wife.

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And she was a great mother.

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She you know she didn't work and she always said it was her job.

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She was pretty much enough not to work.

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She was gonna make sure she took care of me and the boys and I mean she did everything.

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She did absolutely everything.

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I'm sorry.

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No no no you know they're right to do that.

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I'm good you go ahead.

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That afternoon we're here in the time you and Paul were right.

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Yes sir.

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Did you go up to around the cannel for anything?

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Did you all do anything up toward the canals?

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I'm sure we did.

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You know my that's our main shop is you know right there.

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But you know I mean we're normally in there for long times tinkering and I will say that

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particular day we we did not tinker around there a bunch you know.

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When y'all rode around the farm what were y'all y'all in truck or

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well we were actually in two trucks we rode in one truck and then we rode in another truck some.

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One was the black one and one was the white one that was out there.

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That's rally.

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Yes sir.

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You know the other day when we were there we came in and we were talking a little bit.

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Sure.

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And you obviously got a lot of I say a lot in September or 25 with us.

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Yes sir.

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And you know kind of what you got as far as any kind of going what kind of welcome you may have.

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I'm pretty much yes sir.

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I know you might not own them all but you can kind of run that one.

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Of course you kind of want your hand.

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What you have you know that there.

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That I own or that's in there now.

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That's you all.

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All right that I own.

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That's in there.

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You know all the way over there right.

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And you know I mean Paul has guns scattered all over the place so you know some of our guns aren't there but

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so you want to know all of them or you want to know what I think is in my house

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or what was in my house on Monday.

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Yeah what was in your house.

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Let's start with what was in your house on Monday.

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Okay whatever was in my house on Monday is exactly what was there minus one shotgun

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that I got that y'all got.

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Okay.

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No guns have been moved for you know there hadn't been any guns moved in and out of there other than

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when Paul was home you know when Paul came home he would ride around and shoot hogs a lot.

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He shoot hogs with you know I mean primarily he would shoot them with busters gun

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because Paul Paul had a 300 blackout.

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Okay.

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And it got you know he says it got stolen.

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Um you know it has been gone for some time

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but anyway so he would use his brother's blackout a lot of time.

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So a buster had a also had a 300.

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I gave him both one.

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Okay.

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When was that?

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About years ago.

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Okay.

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More than a year ago.

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More than a year ago.

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Okay.

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All right so but he would do anything.

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Paul had this um you know like a little light that I used um that night.

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Paul would take that thing up to you know by 308 and I mean he was always rigging something.

408
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:24,720
Um you know so

409
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:35,680
sometimes shotguns for when he would go try to kill the hogs because you know the piglets would be grouped up

410
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,800
but normally he would have a rifle when he went to shoot pigs.

411
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:46,160
So all right so going back to the gun you want me to tell you all what was in there

412
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,440
I don't you know I mean having an inventory?

413
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:57,200
I video that the thing I didn't write down everything that you had.

414
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:04,800
I just took a random just like a record of what was on the gun rack or on the gun wall in the gun room

415
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,040
that day.

416
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:13,280
And there are some more guns that aren't in that gun room you know I don't know how many but

417
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,560
you know like I do know there's a shotgun in my bedroom.

418
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,600
Yeah I think Miss Katie,

419
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:29,200
Katie, Walter John and saw that one. Okay and I imagine there's probably some in some other rooms.

420
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:36,960
I know that um I think it was the neck we have two gun cases one small one and one big one and I

421
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:44,160
moved some guns from the little case to the big case just because you know her mom and dad were in

422
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:51,520
there and I just took all the guns to the back room but that's after the fact.

423
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:59,200
Were those guns with those guns have been in the room been the gun room when we came up with

424
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:04,080
Joe? I can't remember exactly when y'all came but probably I think y'all came a little bit because

425
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:11,200
it was a good while before y'all came. It was probably two blocks or so that afternoon before we

426
00:44:11,200 --> 00:44:18,960
get there. Did you all keep any guns out at the y'all?

427
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:23,360
Kels? He didn't keep guns out there but there were always guns out there.

428
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:31,520
Okay. You know um I mean and I'm gonna be honest with you we were all a little bit bad about it

429
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:36,560
but Paul was the worst you know he was the worst. He would leave a gun out there.

430
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:44,320
He would leave anything anywhere and you know it was not unusual for there to be guns

431
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:57,840
out there. Did y'all take the um? But like I can tell you that I mean they told me that 300

432
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:05,520
blackout was used in this that 300 blackout you know it was it was not out there.

433
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:10,400
So y'all y'all didn't use that for target practice or he didn't have it out there with him on Monday?

434
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:15,040
No. Okay no that's right because it was in the house.

435
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:22,800
So Paul said that one um was stolen or lost and it was some time ago.

436
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:30,240
Did was that reported anywhere? It was an officially reported because I wasn't totally convinced

437
00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:39,920
it was stolen. Okay. You know as opposed to lost but I mean you know I mean there was people told

438
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:50,320
about it. Yeah. I noted I told John Beddingfield about it um I noted I told some other local officers

439
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:59,280
about it you know just in case it turned up in a drug thing. Okay. But I did it do an official report.

440
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:00,480
Okay.

441
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:21,520
The two that you bought for the boys that each one I'm had one and the one Paul lost is that the only

442
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:29,440
ones that you have? Well I'm gonna tell you this I thought we replaced I thought that Paul got

443
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,600
another one replaced. The buster said we did it but I was certain that we did.

444
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:43,600
[Music]

445
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:53,360
But I mean my memory has been gone for a substantial while too.

446
00:46:53,360 --> 00:47:00,960
Do you remember anything about them as far as were they the same colors?

447
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:07,520
They were identical except for colors. Okay. Who had that which one was busters?

448
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:11,120
Busters the one we still have. Paul's the one that lost is. Okay.

449
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:16,160
One of the two colors. Black and tan.

450
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:21,360
Busters is black. Paul's was tan. Okay.

451
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:31,360
[Music]

452
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,080
Let me say you thought you replaced it after you lost it. I'm not a buster.

453
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,080
I'm not a buster it says you didn't. I believe that we did. Okay.

454
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:43,360
I mean there'll be a record of that on it. It should be yesterday.

455
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:48,560
I know we replaced.

456
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:58,560
[Music]

457
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:07,280
But you know I wouldn't I know we replaced it because I wouldn't replace it again.

458
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:14,240
Maybe I just think that now I don't know but I'm certain we replaced it.

459
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:22,240
[Music]

460
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:27,440
Have you talked to CB Row since Monday or Tuesday?

461
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,760
Yes sir.

462
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:36,320
Because I know we talked about what he had done on the farm have you all as he's still employed?

463
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,880
He's still employed because I got to have somebody keeping it clean but I mean I can't keep him.

464
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,960
I mean he's an idiot. Yeah.

465
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:51,920
And you know I know I told you I don't know why that story seemed important to me the other night.

466
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:58,880
Yeah. I really can't see CB Row doing I just can't I really do not believe that.

467
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,880
Well it's I mean it's a not story. It's a messed up story.

468
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,400
And you know and I just

469
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:15,040
being in law enforcement for so long and working these type cases and I don't know the

470
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:22,480
Ellington area area but talking to Callen and County and seeing the property and how isolated it is.

471
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:32,240
Finding somebody that's just going to randomly come up there that late at night that doesn't know the property.

472
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:40,320
You know that's so of course I have to look within and then start working my way out.

473
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:45,920
So you feel like it's not random? You feel like it's intentional? I mean plain.

474
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,360
I don't know what to feel right now.

475
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:57,360
And I hate to say that. I don't know what to feel right now.

476
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:58,880
So do y'all have any good clues?

477
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,080
All of the evidence that we collected.

478
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:09,280
Tuesday morning and we collected additional evidence on Tuesday on Tuesday afternoon.

479
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:15,040
They collected evidence at autopsy today.

480
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:20,000
So we we're trying to put a rush on that to get an answer quick

481
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:24,240
and hoping that's going to tell us something.

482
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:27,920
By evidence I mean is it things you think are going to be helpful?

483
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:35,840
Well I mean the like the shot shells out there the the the casings the DNA swabs that we took from the

484
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:41,120
door handle to see if anybody touched the door handles any other places that we think somebody may have touched

485
00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:46,880
while they were out there. You know we're trying to collect DNA from that and analyze that

486
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:53,040
which at the conclusion of this what what I'm going to also ask is that we get a vocal swab the DNA

487
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:58,800
swabs from you. Your DNA is going to be there but we need to eliminate it when it wants us to

488
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:05,520
develop. So you know we don't need that unknown and it actually is a family member.

489
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:14,240
First you know I mean we we have talked to close to a hundred people trying to track people

490
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:20,000
down and we're still tracking people down and that's why you know who who I'm Paul was with.

491
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:26,400
I want to tell you one thing while I'm thinking about it. Yeah. Paul was really and incredibly

492
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:37,280
intuitive little dude. And I mean he was like a little detective and I mean Paul would you know he

493
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:42,800
you know I'm trying to say yeah.

494
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,760
Which leads me to let's go back to Paul right quick while we're on him. So we have his phone.

495
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:59,200
Do you know his passcode? I don't. And I'm gonna tell you this right now. There's a few people I can

496
00:51:59,200 --> 00:52:07,040
point you to. Yeah. But I can tell you that he was super super super secretive with that. I mean

497
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:17,920
cell phone. I asked his brother if he knew it. Did the ones that they got the other day didn't?

498
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:26,800
Did you all get any other day? Not for Paul's phone but I know they got I know they got Maggie's

499
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:36,080
too. I know Maggie. Yeah. And it works or it works. Yeah. I've not gotten it but there's a lot of

500
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:41,200
people out moving parts that you know may have gotten that information to with follow up on it. If

501
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:49,920
you believe somebody gave us a code for Paul's or a possible code for Paul's. You know maybe it was

502
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:55,120
Maggie's out of it. Okay. But I'll find out I'll try to find out Paul's cause. Yeah.

503
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:10,480
But it was surprised me greatly if somebody knows it. Now in that clip you heard the name CB Row again.

504
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:17,440
But Alex he dismisses him much like he did the night that Maggie and Paul were murdered and he was

505
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:24,320
sitting inside the police car that first that very first interview. He dismisses it because he

506
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:32,160
thinks he's being slick. He knows if he hammers that theory too much it will seem too suspicious. So

507
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:38,560
he dismisses it not realizing the detective he knows that's a tell sign when you bring up someone's

508
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,960
name as well this person could have done something and then you dismiss it real quick but I don't

509
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:52,400
think they would do that. That's a tell that you are trying to deflect again. All right. Also in that

510
00:53:52,400 --> 00:54:01,680
segment the detective asked Alex what about Paul did you not like? Now why would he ask this? Well

511
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:09,040
that's also a tactic and it's used to put Alex off guard and to see what Paul could have done

512
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:17,120
to set Alex off. That would be a question Alex probably didn't prepare for. So his answer

513
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:21,840
would probably be an honest answer because he didn't consider it in advance he didn't think he

514
00:54:21,840 --> 00:54:27,120
would be asked that and certainly he doesn't want to look like he's thinking about it right there on

515
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:36,880
the spot when the detective asked it. So he has to be honest and he probably was you also heard in that

516
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:43,840
clip Alex totally broke down when he was talking about Maggie and let me tell you I've heard some

517
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:52,800
aggravating cries in my time this guy cries like the worst little bitch you've ever heard in your life.

518
00:54:52,800 --> 00:55:00,960
I have never heard I mean it is so dramatic it's just obvious to me it's fake but you hear and

519
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:09,360
break down when he talks about Maggie and he screams and cries but there's one problem with all of that

520
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:18,400
as soon as he quits crying he looks over at the detective to see what he's riding in his notebook

521
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:24,800
and when he looks over you get a real good shot of his face in that video he has no tears zero

522
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:33,600
tears but he's crying like a little bitch you just heard it because he is a little bitch but there's no way

523
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:39,760
if you break down to that point that you're absolutely hysterically crying that you're not going to have

524
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:46,720
snott you're not going to have tears running down your face your eyes aren't going to be red or

525
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:55,280
glassy and I mean you know how it is when you bust out crying like that none of that the detective

526
00:55:55,280 --> 00:56:03,280
asked about those 300 blackouts in that clip and they have two of those guns one for Paul one for

527
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:12,560
his other brother right buster but one of those guns is missing and it just so happens that's the

528
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:21,600
same exact gun type that was used to kill Maggie and remember Maggie and Paul got killed with two

529
00:56:21,600 --> 00:56:28,320
different guns and we'll get into that in more detail later on in this series but a 300 blackout

530
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:37,280
was used to kill Maggie now a 300 blackout is a very rare gun in comparison to most

531
00:56:37,280 --> 00:56:45,840
and not everybody has a 300 blackout they're just not that common now the mardalls had two of them

532
00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:53,280
once missing Maggie was killed with one and you hear in that clip he's trying to say that that gun

533
00:56:53,280 --> 00:57:00,720
was missing for quite a while it wasn't missing the day of the murder it was missing before that

534
00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:06,640
and when the investigator asked him what did you follow report on the missing gun no because I wasn't

535
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:14,400
sure it was lost you know he was basically saying that Paul was so irresponsible with guns and he

536
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:20,320
may have in fact been irresponsible guns but he was trying to say he was so irresponsible guns he

537
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:25,840
wasn't confident that it was stolen so he didn't want to turn in a report saying it was

538
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:32,560
while that might make a little bit of sense the fact that your wife was killed with that gun

539
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:42,960
or a gun just like it that's really coincidental now lastly in that last clip you heard the detective

540
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:50,080
make what I think was the most genius statement of the day and some pretty good detective work

541
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:58,080
when Alex asked him do y'all have any clues or if that's Alex talks do y'all have any clues?

542
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:05,760
his voice show but when he asked about those clues and the detective stated

543
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:14,320
it would be unprecedented to him in all his years in law enforcement and investigations

544
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:21,360
that someone would randomly go to such a remote property kill two people

545
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:29,760
and just leave no motive they didn't even steal the cell phones of the people that they killed

546
00:58:29,760 --> 00:58:36,000
they weren't there to steal anything they could have killed them and went all through

547
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:43,280
Alex Murdole's house and probably got a ton of stuff and still anything but they killed them in law

548
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:53,200
and that's around about way of saying whoever did these things knew the Murdole's they knew that

549
00:58:53,200 --> 00:59:00,880
property and they knew the Maggi and Paul would be those kennels and they went there specifically

550
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:07,920
to kill him that's basically what that investigator was saying he was saying I don't see any evidence

551
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:16,880
to the contrary and then that's when Alex said so you don't think it was random anyway his voice

552
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:24,560
the interrogation continues I mean certainly you know talking about the investigation certainly

553
00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:30,240
we're looking at every angle trying to figure out what fits um then we're talking we're talking to

554
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:34,800
you know people that were involved in the boat case we're talking trying to track down people

555
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:39,840
that Paul knew and were friends with that's why I asked who he was in Charleston with so we can go try

556
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:44,720
and see if they might know something or try to figure something out um we're trying to get into his

557
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:51,360
phone um to see if there's any information see if you got like a direct threat from somebody there um

558
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:57,520
I mean the people that are here are not the only ones working on this we've got people out doing

559
00:59:57,520 --> 01:00:04,240
things right now thank you um I mean we're just we're trying to pull everything in um

560
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:11,760
just the area island and unfortunately they don't there's not a lot of people moving around

561
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:19,120
I mean I've got got somebody looking at videos right now back at the office coming through hours of

562
01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:29,520
videos that we've gone out and collected well thank you all yeah very much so Mr. out you don't

563
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:37,440
have to call me miss you just tell me I like thank you for that policy when when when you and Paul

564
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:46,480
got back to house Miss Maggie's there and y'all eat supper which has been prepared and you say

565
01:00:46,480 --> 01:00:52,880
you said you laid down and and took a little nap and when you got up Maggie and Paul was gone or

566
01:00:52,880 --> 01:01:06,720
did they leave when you laid down I'm I'm believed that I'm not I'm not sure but they weren't there

567
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:12,320
when you woke up around the nine o'clock mark or so when when you made the call to Maggie to

568
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:17,920
let her know you don't know nobody was in that house when I when I left

569
01:01:17,920 --> 01:01:31,040
so I'm just trying to narrow that the last time that Paul and you saw Paul and Maggie's when

570
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:39,680
y'all were eating supper yes sir up until you came back from your moms and yes I found what you found

571
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:50,080
yeah and his Alex probably told you all this

572
01:01:50,080 --> 01:02:01,600
he did check for a pose

573
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,160
and that's why we want to do the DNA

574
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:30,400
when you when you tried to turn Paul over do you know if you tried to turn him

575
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:38,480
like towards the kennels or away from the kennels and his phone fell out away I think I turned him away

576
01:02:38,480 --> 01:02:42,560
was he left and at a right handed he was right handed

577
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:49,920
where did he normally keep his phone I don't I mean usually in his hand

578
01:02:49,920 --> 01:03:00,560
but I mean it was all you know there's always only pocket hand truck

579
01:03:00,880 --> 01:03:08,480
where did Maggie carry her phone

580
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:17,360
anywhere is your good yes sir

581
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:28,800
did y'all get fingerprints on her phone I haven't gotten that back yet

582
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:36,720
when

583
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:49,600
when the when when Paul's phone came out did you you just pick it up and put it on you know

584
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:54,240
place it back down only more you know

585
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:03,760
yeah I did not try to open it or anything you know I just I don't know how I had my mind that

586
01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:15,200
I needed to not mess anything up I had that I had that you know somehow I had that presence

587
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:18,800
of mine that I needed to not mess anything up and so

588
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:30,800
I tried not to you and then you definitely

589
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:33,920
saw a traumatic

590
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:40,960
picture and I know it's not hard or not not easy I know it's hard

591
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:52,320
and sit there talking to me is tough it's just so bad I did it so bad

592
01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,320
yeah

593
01:04:54,320 --> 01:05:00,480
it's such a good boy too

594
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:07,760
but I'm sorry, go ahead

595
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:15,040
and but you know the little the little things that we've got to understand is is necessary

596
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:22,240
that we can we can get a little better picture as to just you know to what may have happened

597
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:35,600
well I just thank y'all for everything you know my in-laws my parents my in-laws I would like

598
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:43,520
somebody to update me or my brother or somebody so that I can tell them as y'all discovered things

599
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:53,360
unless there's some reason y'all don't do that well I mean they just have so many questions

600
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:57,840
I understand in I mean they may even well know they don't

601
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:04,560
well I mean how I know Maggie's mother just had a knee replacement how was their health

602
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:10,000
overall other than that you know they're a little bit they're getting on up there daddy has some

603
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:18,400
neuropathy but I mean they're in good physical health they they're in good you know their fortitude is

604
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:23,280
good they're just you know they're they're just getting age on them you know yes or

605
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:29,760
um are they in summer or are they at the house on moseil

606
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:37,040
no they didn't they live in some real okay but there's I mean they're here now

607
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:44,080
oh they're here in this house no they're in moseil okay because I mean I'll go by and and speak

608
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:49,600
with them and meet with them um if you think that would help I think that would help with

609
01:06:49,600 --> 01:06:56,720
tremendous amount if you would just be willing just to sit down and let them I mean you know hand

610
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:03,600
from me and John Marvin and Danny and whoever what little tidbit y'all get I just you know what I

611
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:08,080
think it would give them peace of mind and know that y'all got a team of people out there own it

612
01:07:08,080 --> 01:07:16,160
yes sir and and you know just to really have something you know a tangible person instead of

613
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,960
being told

614
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:29,760
you got contact number 4 ready now I'm getting ready to get that okay

615
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:39,760
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616
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:50,920
How's the ability?

617
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,800
The number of the main--

618
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:56,520
the headphone time for the Fedsky.

619
01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:01,840
I know y'all have the phone, y'all can jump in there with some towers.

620
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:04,120
>> Yeah, I'm a dad, it's such good people.

621
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:05,120
I mean, they're just--

622
01:08:05,120 --> 01:08:07,600
>> Do you want to buy some of those guys or back at home?

623
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,240
>> There's so much in it.

624
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:10,520
>> Everybody behind you would.

625
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:13,000
>> They really would make them feel good.

626
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,360
>> What are their names?

627
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,120
>> A lot of technical.

628
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:19,280
>> My father-in-law's name is Terry.

629
01:08:19,280 --> 01:08:21,480
>> Yeah, but yes, we do.

630
01:08:21,480 --> 01:08:23,720
>> My mother-in-law's name is Kennedy.

631
01:08:23,720 --> 01:08:24,840
>> It's also good.

632
01:08:24,840 --> 01:08:26,320
>> And they're brand status.

633
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:30,800
>> And my sister-in-law who--

634
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:32,640
>> Still brand status.

635
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:36,320
>> BREN, STETTER.

636
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:45,080
And then my sister-in-law who was closest to Maggie in the whole world is Marion Proctor.

637
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:51,000
And her husband is Bart Proctor.

638
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,760
And they live in Charleston.

639
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:59,320
Do you have a contact number for--

640
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:02,200
>> I know their numbers.

641
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:03,200
>> Okay.

642
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:11,000
>> All right, so we have Victor's advocate, Miss Marion Walker.

643
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,000
>> Thank you.

644
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,000
>> That's her cell number.

645
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:14,000
>> Thank you.

646
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:24,560
>> There's some information for you on the back.

647
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,560
>> And the Victor's advocate program, they help with different things.

648
01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:34,880
I think more specifically what would be more beneficial, especially if you and Buster

649
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:36,560
is some counseling down the road.

650
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,560
>> I do some assistant solicitors work.

651
01:09:39,560 --> 01:09:40,560
>> Yeah.

652
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,560
>> So you're familiar with it.

653
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:51,880
>> But thank you so much.

654
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,880
>> I know y'all planned out the funeral today.

655
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:54,880
When is the funeral?

656
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:55,880
>> Tomorrow.

657
01:09:55,880 --> 01:09:56,880
>> Tomorrow?

658
01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:57,880
>> Yes, sir.

659
01:09:57,880 --> 01:09:58,880
>> Okay.

660
01:09:58,880 --> 01:09:59,880
>> You all have this business.

661
01:09:59,880 --> 01:10:02,880
>> We're doing a service tomorrow.

662
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:05,560
Maggie and Paul aren't going to be ready and do them next week.

663
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:08,360
So we're doing a service tomorrow.

664
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:12,480
And then we're going to have a private family thing one day next week.

665
01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:13,480
>> Okay.

666
01:10:13,480 --> 01:10:14,480
>> Okay.

667
01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:20,040
>> Are y'all doing anything tonight?

668
01:10:20,040 --> 01:10:23,040
>> I can run by and talk to Terry and Kennedy tonight.

669
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:28,360
>> I think the sooner you can come and talk to them, the piece of mind that would really

670
01:10:28,360 --> 01:10:29,840
help them.

671
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:31,360
That's convenient for you.

672
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:36,040
So we're just out at the house tonight.

673
01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:44,800
And for some reason they go back early because of the service tomorrow.

674
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,120
They may be staying tonight.

675
01:10:46,120 --> 01:10:47,120
They may not be.

676
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,120
I'm not sure.

677
01:10:48,120 --> 01:10:52,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

678
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

679
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:58,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

680
01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

681
01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

682
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

683
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

684
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

685
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

686
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:11,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

687
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

688
01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:14,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

689
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:15,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

690
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:16,120
I'm not sure if you're going to be there tonight.

691
01:11:16,120 --> 01:11:26,120
All right.

692
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:30,120
Do you have any other questions that I might be able to answer right now that we hadn't gone over?

693
01:11:30,120 --> 01:11:31,120
No sir.

694
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:34,120
It's as soon as I get something.

695
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:39,120
And if it's okay with you, John Marvin asked me to go through him.

696
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:41,120
That's fair.

697
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,120
So I'm not bothering you in case you're doing something.

698
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:45,120
What time is the service tomorrow?

699
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,120
12 o'clock.

700
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:47,120
Okay.

701
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,120
Where is that going to be?

702
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:49,120
Hampton.

703
01:11:49,120 --> 01:11:50,120
What?

704
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:51,120
At the church or?

705
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:52,120
Scraves that.

706
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:53,120
Okay.

707
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:57,120
So if I get something around that time, I won't bother you.

708
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:00,120
I'll wait one, one, thirty and...

709
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:03,120
If you get anything important, you can call me anytime.

710
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:04,120
Okay.

711
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:05,120
Anytime.

712
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:06,120
Yeah.

713
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:07,120
Yeah.

714
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:14,120
Are you all going to publicize the service or is it just going to be for family and friends?

715
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:15,120
No sir.

716
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:21,120
It's going to be open, but I got TC in those making sure there's no...

717
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,120
I don't want any press anywhere near.

718
01:12:24,120 --> 01:12:25,120
Yeah.

719
01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,120
So...

720
01:12:26,120 --> 01:12:28,120
No, they don't deserve to be near.

721
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:35,120
They're going to make sure, you know, and then town of Hampton.

722
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,120
You know, there's no press.

723
01:12:37,120 --> 01:12:38,120
Okay.

724
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:41,120
All right.

725
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:43,120
All right.

726
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,120
Well, y'all got my numbers.

727
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:46,120
Thank you for the phone.

728
01:12:46,120 --> 01:12:47,120
I think we're all on the...

729
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:48,120
Yeah, I'm going to go check on it.

730
01:12:48,120 --> 01:12:52,120
Y'all going to go back in the house when it's done.

731
01:12:52,120 --> 01:12:53,120
I'll bring it.

732
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:54,120
So yeah.

733
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,120
So there you have it.

734
01:12:56,120 --> 01:13:04,620
And after that conversation, I would imagine these detectives are really wanting to turn

735
01:13:04,620 --> 01:13:06,960
up the heat on Alex.

736
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:08,880
They got the crosshairs on him by this point.

737
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:09,880
No doubt.

738
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:13,880
That's when they've watched the video version of that interrogation.

739
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:19,200
And they saw that he was crying with no tears and looking over at that notebook every chance

740
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,200
he got to see what that detective was writing down.

741
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:26,720
So you're going to turn up that heat in our next episode.

742
01:13:26,720 --> 01:13:35,040
And I'll give you a little snippet here of one of the things that comes as a question in

743
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:42,740
that interview, that detective looks straight at Alex Mertel during the next interrogation

744
01:13:42,740 --> 01:13:55,040
and says, "Alex, did you kill your wife and son and you won't believe Alex Mertel's response?"

745
01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:59,040
So look forward to that.

746
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:09,040
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747
01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:14,400
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01:14:16,720 --> 01:14:18,840
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01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:46,560
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756
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764
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765
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766
01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:34,720
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768
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