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Giannis:Hello Hello Hello. Welcome to shut up. Risk asterisk asterisk Kay your opinion hey
Sean:don't don't steal my intro. Don't just go to oh my god
Giannis:and i think we're doing we're covering a movie today. We there is a new movie that came out this this weekend Shawn What is it?
Sean:I want to just redo that whole thing because butchered it Hello folks and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review podcast where my co host and I Yani review movies
Unknown:now. Hi, Jani, Ponta Scotto here.
Sean:Thanks, Johnny. I appreciate it. So normally, what we do is we trade off picking movies for each other that we love that we know the other one will hate. Today, we're doing things a bit differently. Because instead of one of us picking the movie, what we're doing is watching this movie, what we're doing is watching a newly released film movie, because we want to try different things on this podcast. You know, we want to experiment we want to have good times we want to have fun times. So today in this very special bonus episode, we watched bill and Ted face the music,
Giannis:and boy oh boy, do they.
Sean:So we're not going to bore you with a plot summary or any of that kind of jazz. And I also do not have a yogi green tea quote for you guys today.
Giannis:Oh no Yogi green tea quote.
Sean:I just want you to straight up whiskey right now.
Giannis:Oh, well, what whiskey you're drinking then.
Unknown:Trader Joe's. Oh, that
Giannis:is sad. Was it? What did you did you think it was that bad? That I think it was why the movie? Did you think the movie was that bad that you have to drink Trader Joe's whiskey?
Sean:No, I fucking love this movie. But we'll get into it. Normally, that normally. Normally listeners Normally, we break down the movie's top three favorite and least favorite scenes or moments. We want to make this a sweet short and fun episode. So we're just going to do general impressions. Yani, do you want me to go first? Or do you want to go first?
Unknown:Yeah, I'm
Giannis:gonna need you to go first. You're gonna you need to explain yourself on this one.
Sean:Okay, cool. So, a little bit of backstory for me. I first saw bill and Ted the first two movies, I want to say 2012 2013 at the Alamo Drafthouse, they did like a back to back screening, had never seen the movies before, and instantly fell in love. And I have just loved bill and Ted ever since it's it just holds a special place in my heart. And I legitimately never thought they would actually make a third movie as much as I wanted it to happen. And even when they announced that I was in disbelief, I'm like, there's there's not actually going to happen, right? They're not actually going to do it. And then they fucking did it. I was so excited. And then the trailer came out. The trailer is not good. All the promotional material is not good. And I
Giannis:will and even adventure to call it bad.
Sean:I still had hope. But at the same time, I was incredibly nervous even on Friday before I watched the film. I went out on a short walk, because I didn't know what I hadn't rewatch the movies again. I'm like, what how am I gonna go about doing this? God if I just watched this solo, I'm just so scared. I'm so nervous is not gonna actually be good. So what Adam doing is I watched the original bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, love the shit out of again. I love that movie so much and then went straight into face to music and loved it so much too. It's a film that just beginning to end is a pure delight pure joy. I knew that this movie was great from the get go with the beginning of Missy joke where Missy who was Bill's step mom in the beginning? It's a running gag throughout the whole film. And then the whole Oh, she divorced his dad married Tez that divorced him, and is now marrying Ted's little brother. And how they explain it. It's just so funny. I'm like, Okay, guys, you got it. I trust you, you're gonna nail this. And you know what they did throughout the film, Keanu and Alex winter, both great, I did not think that they were going to nail their roles again. But they did. The story was so much fun. And honestly, at the end, I'm like, I don't know how they're going to resolve this, how they're going to do it. I literally cried at the end. I just felt so much. It was so impactful. And, and also, I was just laughing all the way through. It's such a fucking funny movie. They have such great chemistry together even and even like, no Hank noho Hank Anthony Corrigan plays a robot. Who at first, I'm
Giannis:like, Dennis.
Sean:Yeah, Dennis McCoy, who is like, at first almost a terminator esque robot and you go, did they throw the Terminator? A bill Ted? Oh, my God. And then he just ends up being a punch line for the rest of the movie. It's great. But anyways, with the finale, yeah, it really like struck an emotional chord with me. And afterwards, you know, I, I was the, the rest of the night and the next day, I was just like, just thinking deeply about it. And then a couple of days later, I'm like, Am I still do I still feel the same way? And I just rewatch the ending again, and it still got me just the ending itself. So yeah, I love this movie. Jani. Why do you hate this movie so much? Why do you hate fine? Why do you hate off? sighs I
Giannis:don't, I don't hate it is just, you know, first of all, there are a couple of things I got to agree with. I do think that the humor was definitely there in most places. Everything involving Keanu Reeves and Alex winter winters winter multiple, plural singular winter, Alex winter is pretty funny. It's pretty dang funny, especially when they continue to encounter the future iterations on themselves and it just gets wackier and wackier. The prison one was the best speak especially when you realize that these are supposed to be these are supposed to be two men in their 60s. And they are just ripped beyond belief. Obviously their you know, their their costumes, muscle costumes, body suits, but it's pretty funny. It's pretty dang funny. And they're you know that that that joke that you're talking about the the Missy is the step mom becomes Alex's Tad's ma Bill's mom, then becomes Ted's little brother's wife, making that his dad his own son. That's all pretty humorous. However, there. There's a lot to me lacking in the follow through, I think, with some of the jokes. Specifically, were concerns Dennis McCoy. I feel like they could have done a little bit more with him. If he at one point, you're right, he just becomes a punch line and then doesn't rise above that kind of mediocre level that I feel like they could have done just so much more with him. And yeah, no, whoa, Hank, he's great in it. They could have escalated there could have just been so much more escalated x there could have just been so much more escalation with him. But they kind of tamed him down in order to it feels like just keep everything nice and short, neat. And at around a 90 minute runtime I'm assuming that's what it was like maybe 135
Sean:Yeah, was almost exactly 90 minutes.
Giannis:Yeah, and I'm pretty sure the original two were a little bit longer than that. Not that you have to have it like they could have had. Okay, well I feel like they could have had a little bit more there or tried to do a little bit less the part that really kind of irritated me was the wives the wives that's I guess the biggest qualm I have with the movie is that the wives are brought in they're even given like, I don't know what you call the actresses B level or C level. What would you call them? Yeah, somewhere around there where I recognize them but I don't know their names. The minuses you've got one of the women is from Children's Hospital, which is hilarious show and she's a really funny actress and she really wasn't given a lot to do in this film. And there's this I mean, the whole point of she's really not given a lot to do in this movie. I'm sorry I I miss you, but a major plot point or These major character moments for Bill and Ted, a huge steak for them is losing their wives. And at some point in the story, when, when they get a time machine, they go back in, or they go into the future, and they try to find the song that's supposed to save all of reality, their wives are simultaneously visited by their older selves to, I guess, take them to show them that no reality exists where they can be happy with Bill and Ted, but you don't see any of it, you just see the older versions, picking up the wives. And then like two more times you see them and then the wives come back in the end. And everything just wraps up a little bit too saccharine and in nicely, and there's no real conflict there. It just kind of resolves itself. And I feel like well, one, the two problems I have with that are one, we had plenty of time to tackle the wives if they're so big, to bill and Ted, there's so important, you should explore that a little bit more. And to and this is kind of a minor thing. But why couldn't you bring back the original actresses, if you brought back the originals for literally everyone else that was in the original films? Why couldn't you bring back those actresses? Why did you have to age them down? And just go with See, I mean, Missy Missy was it was clearly the same actress?
Sean:I mean,
Giannis:and she looked fine for her age. Yeah, I don't I don't know what the issue was. Maybe they retired from acting.
Sean:Here here. I'll say a couple things with the wives. Yeah, I agree that their storyline is a bit weak. That being said, it's weakened the other two films, I feel like they actually have more to do and this one, then the other two, which is ironic. Also, they've been recast every time. So when you say go back to religion, or you go back to Excellent Adventure or or bogus journey, because they weren't the same actresses,
Giannis:I'd say bogus journey, then.
Sean:I mean, whichever way I mean, I or a lot. I
Giannis:have bigger roles and bogus journey, don't they?
Sean:I barely remember bogus journey, honestly. But
Giannis:I really only remember a station also. But anyways,
Sean:I get what you're saying. At the same time, I was listening to another podcast, talk about Bill and Ted, the original one. And one of the points they were breaking up and I wholeheartedly agree is the movies kind of go against traditional convention in a way in the sense of making a huge conflict, or a huge rift between characters or in events that everything it's about, like, for example, in the original istio constantly want to cause conflict in the relationship between bill and Ted. And the writers were like, no, that's the stupidest idea. There are supposed to be very similar. They're supposed to be bros and buddies. They're not supposed to be feuding with each other. Now I get I get the counter argument. While these are the whys and this is the conflict that they have created for themselves. Sure. That being said, while it could have been added to I just don't think it was necessary for what the film was trying to achieve. I feel like if you want for something, if you plus it up, if you want more, it might have brought the film down as a whole, you know, like you would be like, Why is this here?
Giannis:I already was what like, Why is this here? Okay, so they don't really in the process of going through their futures and witnessing what they become in time. They don't really come to individually love their wives, they don't learn any sort of specific lesson germane to that it just starts off as Oh, they have a trouble from separating themselves from one another. And having lives that extend beyond their own relationship as friends to telling their wives that they love them individually without incorporating bill or 10 in the in the decision in the expression that's supposed to be their arc that's Would you agree that that's obviously supposed to be their arc that's part of their arc with their wives that with their wives, that's
Sean:the arc with their wives, but don't feel like that's their main arc.
Giannis:The majority of my issues stem from the wives hear,
Sean:Oh, my God. I
Giannis:mean, there's, there's a lot of also, there's a lot of retconning going on, that kind of ticks me off.
Sean:Like what why, what what retconning happened?
Giannis:Well, it goes from something just so simple. It's like, oh, Bill and Ted are the guys who are responsible for making the future better. That's okay. Don't overthink it. It's not harmful to anyone doesn't really need to improve upon itself. And now we go to Okay, well, it's not just bill and Ted and SB bill and Ted's daughters, who also save the world. So everybody throughout all of history on Earth, who also saves the world by playing the same song simultaneously, across all periods in history, and not that that's a bad message at all, but that's like they they literally had a time machine, the people from the future had a time machine, they had a way of going back and checking for all the things that might prevent the unraveling of time in history. Yet they place restrictions on it yet that they can't figure that out. I just it totally throws away the first two movies, and that kind of irritates me.
Sean:Okay, so two separate things I want to say, first of all the time travel, because this is something that I am often a real fucking stickler for, like, I've had many arguments with my roommate about this, because we recently watched a show called umbrella Academy that tries to take its time travel seriously, but consistently fucks it up. And I just say that what they're doing is impossible. You can't like it's constantly taking me out. Because this is by their own logic by their own rules. This doesn't work. So what you're saying with the bill and Ted time travel logic, there are plenty of issues with the bill and Ted time travel logic, like if their characters had figured this out, right? If they had gone through this event, then all their future ones, wouldn't it be as they want to add? It just didn't make any sense? The future cells they saw, right?
Giannis:The future would be stabilized. All right.
Sean:Yeah. So it doesn't make any sense. But you know, I don't give a single Fuck, because that's not what this movie is trying to do. That's like trying to argue in the first one. How did Socrates learn how to speak English? so well? Why is he being a total fucking moron? Why did Napoleon go to the slip and slow,
Giannis:I could still have that issue with Bill and Ted face to music because you have a German guy, a Chinese woman. I don't even know what to call an African woman who probably doesn't even have any sort of system of spoken language, and they're all actually communicating. And it does that just blows my mind. I don't care if it's supposed to be a silly movie. It can be a silly movie, and still work. work its way around that somehow. Bill and Ted Yeah, okay, that's, that's gonna it's gonna be what kind of prevents this from being you know, one of those all time great movies, because it really doesn't have any sort of system of coherent logic that it follows it kind of just does whatever it wants, and in a way, that's cool. But you have to admit that it is a narrative shortcoming.
Sean:I disagree. I think that you could look at as that but I don't think it's a shortcoming because then you'd have to ask yourself Oh, who hadn't fuck you? You have to ask yourself what do I want to see in this movie? Do I want to over explain the time travel or do I want to see bill and Ted see their future selves as total fuck what I want what I want to see because that's what I want to see what you want to see. You know what I want
Unknown:to do I see
Giannis:of living George Carlin and CGI, that wasn't crap. And I didn't get either of those.
Sean:Well, I don't know what to tell you about
Giannis:George Carlin cuz he passed away like 10 years ago. I
Unknown:know.
Giannis:So they shouldn't have made it. Without a living George Carlyle. We
Sean:don't need George Carlin a
Giannis:heart and soul of the original he
Sean:was it. Listen, I love George Carlin and the first one, but you know what? He's barely in the fucking thing. You didn't need him for this. I mean, what? Chris Henshaw? Kristin Shaw was in this movie, like, twice as much as George Carlin wasn't first.
Giannis:Well, yeah, cuz I had to retcon it.
Sean:Oh, my god, you're missing the whole fucking point. You missed the whole point.
Giannis:Well, here's my final verdict. I liked bogus journey more than I like this one bogus journey I think is a better movie narratively, then I think Bill and Ted face the music is.
Sean:I won't disagree just because I watched bill and Ted's bogus journey a couple years ago. And remember, I remember the first very first double feature when I saw it. I was disappointed when I watched it again by itself. I actually really dug it. I'm like, Oh my god, this is the best one. This is brilliant. Without having this.
Giannis:I didn't say that. What not?
Sean:That's I didn't I'm saying my personal monologue. I haven't rewatched it since. But what I can tell you, and this is gonna be a fucking hot take. And you're gonna hate
Giannis:to get your oven mitts on and take it's gonna be hot. Uh huh.
Sean:So, this week, I watched The Lord of the Rings trilogy. Extended editions. And I also watched bill and Ted the first one and the third one.
Giannis:Oh, don't you do you know what's trilogy where I think you're going you
Sean:know, it's trilogy is my favorite of the two
Giannis:you knuckle dragging piece of Carville and to say it No,
Sean:I will rewatch a bill and Ted the whole trilogy for many years to come as much as I liked the Lord of the Rings trilogy, I don't plan on watching that again, for a good five to 10 years. I don't need that again, Bill on Tad. I can just go back and again and again and again. I love the shit out of those movies. It's one of my top five favorite trilogies of all time, and I have a hard time picking which one my favorite cuz I love them all so fucking much.
Giannis:Why don't you do humanity a favor and get yourself castrated? That
Sean:that was really far. That was a real deep cut, like, Wow, man. Well, I
Giannis:meant it. Don't Don't reproduce.
Sean:Don't worry, buddy. Not Don't worry, buddy. I don't have anyone you know. So I don't need to go the whole castration route. I just have to be me. I just had to be who I am. and say, Hey, ladies, how you doing? And that, that that supports what you want. Hi, ladies, how
Giannis:you doing? Do you want to watch bill and Ted trilogy? Or do you want to watch the Lord of the Rings? If you've picked a ladder, get the hell out of here.
Sean:I feel like if I just bringing up that argument either way, either way. It's the whatever side of the coin they pick. You
Giannis:broach the
Sean:automatic No, it's an automatic. Leave me alone. No babies for you. Um,
Giannis:okay. I mean, there was, I liked that joke. I liked how self aware it was with the dad piecing together the fact that he winds up in hell. And by that piecing together from the fact that he winds up in hell, that bill and Ted must have gone back to the past into the future. And as a short, real brief resolution with Ted. Yeah, I thought that was funny. But here like it knows what it's doing at that moment. I won't say that. It's not I won't say that the filmmakers weren't aware of what they were doing. I just think a lot of the decisions ultimately weakened what could have been a much funnier and more watchable film.
Sean:First of all, I thought the film was funniest shit. But second of all, even like, if we want to pick apart things, right, that moment worked emotionally right. Like you felt something. You enjoyed it. That being said, it makes no sense. Because if is how working on an everlasting spectrum, because their daughter's died like five, I don't remember the exact timeline, but five to 10 years before he died, theoretically, and then bill and Ted die many years later. So how do then when they go out of how do they arrive in 2020? Also, how do you kill a truck? The truck get shot? How does the truck go to how trucks can die need
Giannis:to be able to transport 15 people out of hell? That's how you kill a truck.
Sean:But here's the thing. I'm only bringing that argument up to say how stupid it is. Because you have to understand what this movie is. Even this movie brings up the fact. So Dennis McCoy the robot dies spoiler alert, and everyone keeps on saying die. He kills him. Yeah, he kills himself. And everyone keeps on going, wait, you're a robot. You can't die. You can't go to hell, and they just shrug it off. Because the movie knows that is a stupid idea. Or like one of my favorite jokes later on in the movie is when they're trying to get the song together and everything. And Bill and Ted are talking to Ken Cuddy about time travel logistics, and obviously King Cuddy knows all about Hold on. What are you calling him king Cuddy is his name not that it's kid Cuddy.
Giannis:I know that I know who
Sean:I'm so sorry kid. Cuddy. I'm so sorry. Anyways, so, kid, they go to kid Cuddy and are asking him about the logistics of time travel. And he's like, oh, let me think about this like cuz theoretically can be this or that. And Ted stops him and it's like, Mr. Cuddy, I appreciate it. But we got like four minutes and it's such a fucking funny joke.
Giannis:All the kid Cuddy stuff was funny Yeah, but one thing that I'm a little murky on here is his his station. He says station that's the line I'm really confused. He's supposed to be station I have no I see one of the station. Aliens is that his species. He's Just disguised as hip hop sensation from 2009 kid Cuddy,
Sean:I have no idea man again, I then we watch
Giannis:2009 Is that why he's in this? Because the last time he was relevant was the late 2000s.
Sean:I think they had a low budget. They didn't have a big budget on this.
Giannis:Oh, yeah, of course they had a I mean, you saw the VFX. We were all the VFX from the 1980s the computer graphics from the night. look better? graphics? No, any?
Sean:Absolutely not. No.
Giannis:So much better. Definitely. No,
Sean:I again, I watched them back to back. That's not true at all. I have a special affinity and affection for those 80s graphics and how silly they look. But you can't argue that they're better. That's just stupid. That's a bad joke. But anyways, I'm not gonna defend the VFX in this movie, but at the same time, I almost find the poor VFX endearing in a way because it kind of adds to the low level. Yeah, it's part of the charm. I don't know.
Giannis:I don't that as a as a poor opinion to have I disdain that opinion fi upon you. Well,
Sean:I just stay in you. Jani. What are you going to give this film where you're gonna write it?
Giannis:I don't know, the daughters were pretty attractive. So
Sean:while yonny real objectification right there. How about you objectify this movie instead? With a
Giannis:score? I won't objectify it but I will numerate it and the number I'm going to associate in my numeration without hesitation Well, actually let me hold on real real quick here.
Sean:Uh oh my god gets your goddamn point.
Giannis:Can we do decimal points?
Sean:Oh my god. Yes. We can do fucking decimal Sure.
Giannis:I mean, I know that hard like no decimal points Shut the
Sean:fuck up listeners if this is your first time listen to our podcast Yani does this every single fucking episodes. And it does what it drives me through the move. Oh,
Giannis:I have never did
Sean:you get a decimal point you want bitch. What is it? What is it?
Giannis:You're the one who laid down the law? You're the one who said Jani we do not do decimal points on this show. hard numbers. That is it.
Unknown:I dare you to go through. Through our episode. scrub through our fucking eyes. Listen to
Giannis:how many times do I have to tell you?
Sean:Okay, listener? If we can do just one scripted episodes. Find the point where I say that I will never find it. The original
Giannis:bill and Ted 7.1 bogus journey 6.5 face the music. It's probably going to be a 6.1. All right, final rating. Shawn, what is your rating? Well, Jani.
Sean:If bill and Ted face the music, walked into the club. I'd approach bill and Ted face the music and I'd say Damn, girl, you're an 8.69 you're an eight point 69 to she'd turn you down your bodacious hesitation? I mean, of course,
Giannis:that's what what? Ted face the music right you Shawn? What a Bill.
Sean:Bill and Ted face the music is looking at you. What would what would she what would she rate you? It'd be a scarf and then walk away. Like I want to deserve the rating. You know, the effort? Or
Giannis:a little more self confidence by man.
Sean:Yeah,
Giannis:but say I would I would, I would probably do the same. Thanks. I appreciate even scarf. I would just like roll my eyes and turn on a hairpin and waltz out of there.
Sean:Thanks, Johnny. Well, there's been a for a productive episode of fuck your opinion. If you enjoyed this episode, let us know we can continue to do newly released movies. Or we can stick to our usual game plan of obscure movies from the 50s or fond blockbusters, you know, that's how we could do both. Or you can do both. Let us know all right. Whoa. Jani. You have a terrible night. yourself. Fuck you too, but fuck you.
