Ep 11: F**k Wonder Woman!

I'm hitting record. Okay, and I am recording my backup audio. Cool. I'm recording all my backups, all your backups. Well, not enough for you. You've literally made this joke in the past. I hear it, I hear them all. You've said the same exact thing. Do you? Do you realize that you're doing that again? Are you just so oblivious to it? We'll see. Here's the thing, Shawn, after we record these, I never want to listen to them. after the fact. It's a one and done sort of guy. I send you the recording, then you don't listen to them. Nope. Not a single one. And you may say, How's it possible? You didn't listen to a single one? If you sent me time stamped notes to which I reply, those were just really good guesses. Here's the thing, folks, when I send Jani a cut I always think oh man he's got he might have some notes on this or that something rather, has notes and admirably are always sron your jam, take out the cursing, take out the cursing. And I'm like I did a first pass buddy. It doesn't matter. You only curse like once who gives a shit? I just don't want you to forget it's very important that you don't forget Yeah, I'm not fucking forgetting. Okay? Just don't don't always remember to not forget or don't don't forget to remember why don't not don't not forget to not remember. I forgot what you just said. Remember not to forget to remember in one ear out the other it's pretty easy to glide right through if there's nothing in the way to block it. So I got a brain What are you talking about? I don't know. You picked Wonder Woman so I'm kind of starting to second guess. Wonder Woman's Great. Now I don't understand. Yeah, I legitimately do not understand why you hate this movie so much. It's a good movie. Let's just fucking get into us. Okay. Hello listeners and welcome to fuck your opinion. A movie review podcast where my antagonist my foe, my foil Jani and I guys watch films. every goddamn time I'm real. I'm a human being I deserve to introduce myself. Jani interdit fine. Fucking Introduce yourself. Introduce introduce the shit. Okay. I'm waiting. Hi guys. Gianni here. Okay, there we go. Take it Shawn. Take it away. Sean hit the road. Hit the road with this one. Shawn. Take us take your fully packed suitcase in your in your leather jacket in your portable typewriter. strap it onto your back jump on that motorcycle and just hit the road with it. Take us take us down to to entertainment Ville where you'll be the mayor and also the Comptroller and possibly the sheriff. Are you done? Yeah, I'm done. Okay, well, thanks for nothing. Thanks for just wasting my goddamn time the GDS Come on. Thanks. Thanks for wasting my fucking time. Okay, there we go see that? I can I can Brook a fucking Okay, I can take that fucking but I cannot take that other thing you said this is a gosh darn household here. I don't want to hear anything else uttered under this roof. I saw a picture from all the protests and someone graffiti Darren the police. You know, I respect that. I respect that. Yeah, it's funny. Anyways, Hello, folks, and welcome to fuck your opinion. Like I said, this is a movie review podcast. If you're into this so far. You know what we do? If this is your first episode, welcome. What you just heard is more or less what's going to be the entire podcast Jani and I just going out each other saying shit, the movie I picked last week or really it's a couple weeks ago. I think this bears Oh, at least a little matching contextually. as to when we're doing this. It's been three weeks since we last recorded. Originally, it was gonna be a two week pause just because I pick a wonder woman. I knew Jani was going to have to subscribe to HBO max to get an HBO max came out on the 27th. So I was like, Okay, we'll just take an extra week off. Well, from 27th on. As you know, a lot of stuff has happened in America. And it's been a very distressing and confusing and frustrating and thought provoking time, I think for most of us. So it's something where I just felt like it was just not the best time to record. There were just too many important things going on. And it's still a lot of important things going on. And we'll get into that a little bit but really only within the context of this film. But yeah, it's Even now, like even today, just as much as I love this film, and I want to talk about it, it's almost like my headspace is not entirely there, you know. Anyways, let's get into this. So wonder one, actually, you know, before I say why I picked it, I want to read a quote from so listeners, if you are an avid listener of this podcast, you will know that I've been drinking green tea during our little talks at night. So I can, you know, still be a little chatty, a little chatty. So the yogi green tea message of today is the essence of life is to communicate love. I think that's perfect for both our podcast I am communicating love to you. And also the themes of Wonder Woman, which is all about love. So as to why I picked Wonder Woman, I picked Wonder Woman because it's a film that honestly really inspires me. It really gets to me every time I watch it. It's a film that the first time I had watched it was at a test screening. I want to say about three months before I came out at that test screening wha when everyone was waiting in line, we didn't know what we were going to watch. We just had an idea that it was like a big budget. tentpole film that was going to come out when we finally got into the theater and they had announced Oh, guys, you're gonna see Wonder Woman, I could feel the collective kind of like disappointment. And that just because, you know, before the movie came out, I was very much a god, I don't want to watch this kind of film. You know, I just I had no hope for it. I had no interest in it. So I sat down, started watching it. And literally from the get go, I was shocked how much I was enjoying it. I was so thoroughly into it. And I remember I have a smaller bladder. So I always have to, you know, go use the restroom in the middle of a movie. So I use the restroom ran out. And one of the people organizing the event was like, oh, what do you think of the movie? You think? galgut Oh, she's beautiful, right? And I'm just like, yeah, she's pretty, but her characters journey is incredible. I love her so much. Like I love her character. I love all the characters. I love the story. I love everything that's going on. So we finished watching the movie. And what I wrote down in my notes what I said then, and what I still feel is what really makes this film work is Wonder Woman's journey, how she develops and grows as a character and how much we feel and connect with her. And rewatching it this past time. So I watched it twice again, I will admit the first time I rewatched it I was kind of not as into it, there were still a lot of things I really intellectually loved, but not as into or not on board as much for her characters kind of growth and progression as I was previously. But it's interesting. And this is kind of where all the kind of current events kind of come into this is I had to rewatch it the first time before any of the protests or any of that kind of stuff happened I still was really into it. But after seeing everything after experiencing everything how Wonder Woman is a character who is such a beacon of hope such an inspiring character even though she can you can very easily paint a broad brush on her and be like, oh man, she's perfect. She just everything she does is right everything she does is kind of powerful. It's still what I love is she has to make a lot of decisions that we wouldn't normally make decisions that are tough. For example, with these protests and everything. I am very much in favor of them. I am very much in favor Black Lives Matter and something where this past week I've had to kind of challenge my own beliefs challenge who I am, how I think about myself and all that kind of stuff. And last Saturday when the protests really started I I we said before I live in Los Angeles so I went around the Fairfax area kind of as an onlooker not really a protester and I came back you know, home because of the curfew not gonna make an excuse, but I was I was an onlooker I wasn't a protester. I was not contributing anything to anything. And I for that entire week, I was just so ashamed of myself. I'm like, even though I would be one in Big C, it's still making your voice matter. It's still standing up for what you believe in and something that it's not easy to do. I mean, this movies, superhero movies in general, but particularly this because of the messages of the film. You can say, oh man, it's easy for Diana to my the pivotal scene of her the trends scene when she comes out introduces her core beliefs and like says Hey, guys, Even telling me again and again and again, we can't do this well, I'm gonna do it that is such an inner strength. And that's powerful. And that's kind of what we all have to aspire to be. And it's something that really I thought about a lot this past week and it really inspired me so I went out and I protested yesterday and like that's by no means the end of it, but it's something that it's really challenging who I think I am, what I stand out for and that I need to stand up for something much like Diana, it's something you might not necessarily put one and two together, but I feel like they very much coexist in the same place. So it's like all that is why I love the movie. And I know I'm rambling about this. So I'll just end by saying I also just love that this is such a fun action adventure. I mean, it's got the best elements of like a great Indiana Jones movie Chris Pine is fantastic. The supporting cast is fleshed out and and fantastic. That's why I love this film. I am going to give it an eight and a half out of 10 I can promise you I didn't give it that. Aaron guaran dang tee that I did not. Anyways, let's get to this. Jani. What's your plot summary? Huh? Plot summary How does one summarize Wonder Woman? Wonder Whoa, comma, man wonder Whoa, Wonder one. How does one. Okay. Patti Jane. Patty Jenkins direct say competent I'll be at only relatively so world war one film about the duality of human nature until Wonder Woman appears to undermine confessor Kate and ultimately oversimplifies moral. Okay, but we'll get into it. All right. Yeah. No, I know. I know the movie starts with her and then it gets to World War One. But that's the thing like all the parts in World War One, I feel like World War One was existing outside of Wonder Woman and Wonder Woman jumped into World War One World War One didn't jump into Wonder Woman. World War was going on outside of her world was doing fine on its own. And then Wonder Woman showed up and it's like, oh, this kind of muddies the point of things, don't you think kind of kind of undermines the importance of the struggle to have this immortal, invincible superhero, showing people how it's done when they can't really suffer any sort of real defeat or any sort of insurmountable opposition to saying because this superhero comes in and says, Hey, I can't die. So you guys should be doing as good as me even though you are mortal. Like is that your point? That's more or less how it comes across. And the point that proves that more than anything is the trench scene where they're stuck in the trenches. And they'd had been for a year I think that was what response character was saying they'd been there for a year and she said, whatever line she said, You can't do anything but I will. Well yeah, it's really easy for you to do that. When a you are invincible be you do have bulletproof armor and see you can move faster than anyone else out there. also kind of a see see point one. Also, when the opposition is only firing at your shield and nothing else on the battlefield. It's like everybody, everybody in that trench scene was only shooting at her shield and nothing else. You're telling me a stray bullet couldn't have flown underneath the shield and hitting her in the abdomen or her open shins outer shooting, sorry, her shins aren't open, but she's got like six inches of thigh revealed on both legs. You're telling me nothing could have hit her there because that wasn't a big shield. It's not like something that could cover her entire torso. It was like maybe three feet in diameter. It's there's no point to it. There's there's no point to having a savior who is invincible, because all they prove is that you're human. And you'll never be able to do what they can do. It's an impossible beacon. It's a beacon that doesn't even exist. It's but I it's not about that she can't be killed. Because if it was just about her physical strength or physical ability, it'd be a boring movie about nothing. Essentially, that's not what she has to overcome. It's not and that's not what the movie is about. Even in the trench scene. It's not about overcoming literal life and death for her and that it's overcoming that idea that you can't do something that we're better doing the safer route, you know, yeah, if it's easier for her to say, Yeah, I can do this. But it's also the other guys around her. She inspires, you know, to go out and do it, you know, but at the same time, if she weren't there, if she had inspiring them in the trenches and not gone out on her own, if they just went out there with the same level of inspiration, they would have been mowed down, totally mowed down it wouldn't have mattered how much she inspired them. There was nothing they could have done in an impossible situation. So I so it doesn't matter as as a viewer that scene that inspiration doesn't mean anything because it's coming from a character who's not human who can't feel and experience just feels like you're knocking like I would you make this same complaint for every superhero movie because it's just feels like no, no with Matt not with Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy well, okay with any with any superhero that has super abilities, let's say just take for instance Thor. Okay, Thor. Yeah, Thor is different actually, because Thor is totally, he's divested of his abilities. When he comes to earth, He has to live like a human what on earth, He begins as a superhero. He has His power, His strength, everything taken away from him, he has to earn that strength back. And in the end, he learns how to use it how to be a superhero. Thor is not a perfect movie. But I think if we're talking about how you can be inspired by a superhero that hits its mark better than Wonder Woman does. I disagree. It's not necessarily it's about an ideology. It's not about I get the point. You're saying it's easier for her to say, oh, man, let let's go do this. Because I'm invincible though. So I can take the hit. But just the fact of getting up there. You know, by doing that, when everything around you is kind of shit. That still takes a moral courage that I think you're undervaluing it takes a moral courage for somebody who isn't trained or isn't invincible? Yeah, I think I think you'd be right in saying that, but she's been trained for by the way, the whole I have no idea how old this woman is supposed to be. They don't really tackle that. They say that she was created to kill Aries, but they don't exactly say when. So she could be 1000s of years old in this story, which means she could have 1000s of years worth of combat training under her belt, or maybe hundreds or does. I don't know, they never state how old she is. And that's something that kind of mess with me. Because the longer you have the practice, the better you get at it. I don't know if she could get any better. But that being said she knew what she was doing out there. It's not like she was just running out there without any sort of experience on the battlefield. Granted, she was going up against people with machine guns, automatic rifles, things that she'd never encountered before, but she also has a bulletproof shield and bulletproof armor. And also she can run fast enough to repel bullets as she sees them. So no, I don't think that being inspired by someone like that really means anything. It's a false inspiration. Okay, I disagree. But let's move on. Let's just start with the story. Beginning of the movie, we meet Diana as a child. She's an Amazonian girl growing up with other Amazons and in their community. They're all warriors and fighters. She wants to join them be part of them. But her mother Denizer says you don't need to learn that I don't want you to learn anything about fighting and war. Diana over the years persists. She learns how to fight much of her mother's chagrin and she becomes a good fighter. Then we skip to her being gal Godot. And by the way, Gallagher knows the Worst Actress of the three actresses who play Wonder Woman, I think both teenage Diana and young Diana are better actresses than Galaga doe Diana, I think alga dos fine as an actress, there are certain lines that maybe she hands up a tiny bit, but at the same time, I feel she's almost like an Arnold Schwarzenegger or a slice solo. And if you put her in the right role, she's gonna really work in that role. And I feel like Wonder Woman is a good role for her. I think she's does a good job of providing the facial expressions of Wonder Woman coming from modeling. That's something that you do have to have experience with that sort of facial versatility, malleability, you have to be able to make expressions on cue. And that's something that a lot of people can't do. A lot of plenty of actors are totally wooden on screen. So she's good at that. She is good at expressing emotion that way. But she is not very good at reading her lines. And we'll get into this later, but you can tell they had to edit around her performances. So Diana finishes up a training session and she looks out on a cliff of the mascara I didn't say before is kind of like a magical island in the middle of the ocean. Which ocean by the way. They didn't clarify. Yeah, we don't clarify. It's it's supposed to be like Greek or something Greek Mediterranean at the very least. But we know that Chris pines airplane is shot down, just into it. And he's being pursued by German u boats and German robots outside of the U boats. For some reason that they don't explain. I don't I don't know why that the German soldiers would be in robots outside of the boats. If it's foggy, and they're having a hard time seeing I don't exactly understand how that's safer for the infantry. But nevermind, because they also don't know there's land past all the fog. But again, that's not the important part here. The important part is Where is this place located? Because he's coming from Germany. Correct? is coming from the Ottoman Empire. He's coming from the Ottoman Empire. Okay, so probably Turkey. So Greece, it's probably Greece somewhere, I'm assuming somewhere. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Sorry. Keep on your point, my point it's just, well, I don't necessarily know if it's a great idea. To fly an airplane in 1911 over the entire Mediterranean ocean or sorry, over the entire Mediterranean Sea when you also don't know how how much it's gassed up. Moving on is a real fucking nitpick guy. I could have nitpicked for 15 minutes before you skipped ahead. There is so much here. That just does not make sense. Anyway, getting into the aging, the aging alone, Robin right. And her mom are like clearly in their 50s. But all the other women on the island are like in their 30s, or they're stuck at like the 30s or late 20s. Stage. How? What's the deal? there? I'm along is Galco Ben gal. Godot. When did she stop being teenage? Diana? What's the cut off? Do you get to decide when you stop aging? Is there like a magic elixir? Some sort of bury you have to me island? I think it's assumed that her mom and Robin right or two of the older amazonians just by the nature of being, you know, like the leaders and the ones that free them in that revolt of the gods or whatever. Yeah, a little bit of is unclear. Sure. But I don't think that's like a deal breaker. I don't think that's anything that I mean, what did you want, like five minutes of them explaining about their aging process? I don't know what that would have added to the film. And I don't feel like that's necessarily something that even needs to be there. No, it's just it's just nonsense. And even if they tried to explain it, it's still Yeah, I feel like they'll make fun of it or something since whatever. So Chris Pine, he's a spy. He stole some plans, and he crashed lands into the sea. Galaga doe rescues him. She's like, Oh, are you a man? He's like, Yeah, but I'm a man. I mean, not having not seen a man before they have a low exchange. And then Germans come and attack the beach. amazonians come and attack them big fights in on the beach. Really cool. And I'd seen and I wanted to make this note while we were seeing all the practicing all the all the battle the choreographed battling training that was going on before. Not while all the choreographed fighting that was happening when little five year old little six year old Diana was sneaking away to watch them. Those extras were just like swinging as wildly as possible. If you stop the movie, and you just like go back to that scene and you look at it. They're all just swinging as wildly as they can to make it look like there's some sort of fighting it's just a pale male of slashing swords doesn't really feel like there's any skill or technique to it. I don't think this movies battles were terribly well choreographed. And they use slow motion to make up for that. Oh, no, no, because if that if they were actually fighting in real time, the things that they were doing would have looked preposterous. Just be cut. Listen, there is a difference between doing something for the screen and doing something in real life, maybe in real life and what to look for possibly, maybe in real life, it wouldn't have worked. This is fucking wonderwoman. This is a DC big budget action movie. It's got to be what is best for the screen. And for this screen, the action worked really well. And this is something we'll talk about later on. We talk about rescuing the village scene. But the action in this movie is I personally think is really great. It's one of the best actions straight up action movies I've seen in the last couple years. Normal Hollywood action these days sucks. It sucks real hard Marvel movies. I'm sorry, guys. Marvel has some good things going for it. Action is not one of them. They do have decent choreography, but they're shot really poorly. This movie has really great choreography. This movie has really great moments that shoots really well and edits together. Well, I think it's well done. I think it shot well. I think the cinematography is good. I don't think the beach thing is good. But then again, I think a lot of that has to do with the battle choreography. Slow motion was just really overused. I think that was mostly this attempt to motion work. No, no, I like slow motion. I like when it's used. I don't like when they milk it and felt like they were milking it a lot. I really like slow motion action scenes. It's something that it's kind of like underutilized. I think particularly in Hollywood action scenes these days, because kind of what you're saying everyone thinks, Oh man, I want to be I mean, this is not what he said. But there's a feeling of I want to make a gritty and real that just doesn't really work. I mean, in Captain America Civil War, like you got the shakiness you got all this kind of crap going on. He came in understand what's going on where if he added some slow motion that could really add to the scene. It's not like 100% has to be there. But it really helps communicate the action. It really helps communicate what's actually going on because sometimes when you have regular motion, those kinds of powerful moments are lost in the editing. So I really liked all the slow motion that was in it seems campy to me and this isn't necessarily an issue because I know they kind of dug their own grave when they cast 110 pound woman to be invincible warrior, but you can always tell when Gal cudos not the one fighting on screen because there's a stunt double in her place that looks like they should actually be Wonder Woman instead of her but all the times that you do actually see her face fighting on screen. It's almost always slow motion or it's from above, so you don't actually see her face. Not that that matters. Not that that really doesn't, really doesn't. It's just something that kind of irks me moving on the amazonians when the beach battle, they take Chris Pine as a prisoner and they say, Yo, dude, what the hell is going on? Why are you here? Who are they what what's the what they wrap lassoed truth around him he tells them all about the horrors of World War One how he got there how he stole so he's how he's a spy stole some German poison book, Miss quotes, the mortality statistics actually is really off. He says 25 million people had died at that point. It was 1918 in the film, and that is like 5 million off from the actual statistic. And that's the thing is most historians, but the actual death estimation at like 20 to 21 million by the end of the war. So if this was before that point would have been even lower than what I'm saying. Oh, wow. Yeah, God Oh, yeah. Got Wonder Woman. You got paid Jenkins. Oh, my God, Patty Jenkins. They could have just done a sir Johnny got ya. Yani guy. Yeah, he got you. So you're terrible. You're terrible. You're the worst because you got a statistic wrong. Oh, my God. No, it's that's not it's a small point. It's it's the same. I always say this every time I tackle one of your movies and you say oh, well, it's it's such a small point. It doesn't matter. It's a tapestry. It's a tapestry. tapestries are made up of threads. If you've got a bunch of broken little threads, you've got an ugly fucking tapestry. Doesn't matter if it's finished. Doesn't matter if it's hanging on the wall. If it's got holes in it, it doesn't look good. Speaking of the tapestry of the film, this is a beautiful film. I really love the cinematography. I love how it's shot. I love the colors. I just love. It's something where a lot of films these days kind of look kind of ugly. At least when I say a lot of films, I'm referring to like bigger budget action movies. So those big blockbuster temples, I just feel like there's a lack of care these days given to them. And this movie cares this movie puts in the extra effort. Every scene looks beautiful, even if it's meant to look ugly. You know, even the World War One scenes when they're really in the trenches, it doesn't shy over it. Like everything that's going on that the bleakness the darkness, just in the visual, oh, really well done. And I really loved it. Anyways, back to the scene and the tapestry of the film. So Chris Pine tells the wrong information about World War One because he's a lying spy. And just as the screenwriter gets it wrong, and then they strip him down, but naked, they grease them up, and they put them on screen. And that's that's your that's your 1450. Folks, that's what you paid for. And then him and Diana talk a little bit. So at this point, she wants to go out the war to help them her mother says no, she kind of says, Okay, well, my mom said no. And this is going with a trend seen going with a lot of what happens in this film. It's a lot of characters telling her No, you can't do this. No, this is beyond you. This is above you, etc, etc. So in that scene, and also here, she's showing her kind of inner strength building up who she will eventually become so at first hear her mother says, No, you can't go. This is not your flight. And she, like I said, kind of goes along with it, even though she knows in her heart. That's wrong. She talks to Steve Trevor. And he one of several quotes I really love in this film is he talks about how his father had this saying, Yeah, either do something or do nothing. Yeah, you can either do nothing or you can do something and I did nothing already. It's like all these like small simple quotes by are really effective. They're almost all from Trevor's, though. That's the thing. parts of this movie that I like, are Chris Pine. They're mostly Chris Pine, Chris pines. Great. I can't ignore the fact that Chris finds great. He's got great lines. His delivery is good is a likable character. That is true. Let's just talk about him. Now. I love Chris Pine. Chris Pine is one of my favorite actors working today. As soon as I saw him in that first Star Trek movie, I was just Chris Pine train all the way. I'm like, this guy is just one of the best actors I've seen. I saw that movie six times because of him Jesus and that was in theaters that was in theaters. That was not other other viewings after Star Trek. I think we can all agree he never really lived up to his potential. There are some good movies here and they're unstoppable is really fucking good. But he was just never that kind of Harrison. I'm a one trick pony. Well, he was never that Harrison Ford that I really wanted him to become. You know, that I felt like he could become and this movie puts him in that role. One of my notes was oh, wow, this is an Indiana Jones as role in terms of just, I think so. Yeah. In terms of the character, how he acts in terms of personality in terms of charisma in terms of being an action hero. As far as function the movie, he's more of the Sean Connery in the Last Crusade, I'd say where he's kind of like the woody sidekick who has some stuff to do. But now this shit time, but still very much is a strong component of the film that I couldn't imagine it without him. Yeah, I couldn't imagine this movie without him it would be he's what makes it even remotely watchable. God, I this movie without Chris Pine is somehow worse to me. Actually, no, there are a lot of ways it could be worse. And this is the most obvious most apparent way in which it could be is I just minus the Chris Pine. I just don't get your hatred for this movie. Like I just don't. It's it's a fun movie. It's good. Like there are issues but it's really sad. I like for you to not like this movie just makes me question. I guess you just don't like any superhero movies. Just not one. No, I like I think Chris Nolan's Batman trilogy that does not count. I'm saying in general, it doesn't necessarily count. But it also kind of does. It's It's It's a hard line to draw there. It's more of a NEO noir film, but at the same time, who said it can't be a superhero movie? Because I mean, if it's based on a DC comic, and your protagonist in the comics is also a member of the Justice League with an alien and what multiple aliens and also Wonder Woman then yeah, I think you kind of count as a superhero. Even if you're, the iteration of you is slightly more true to life. I knew you were going to compare this movie to other origin movies. This is just Captain America. I rewatched a couple origins. I rewatch Batman Begins, I watched Spider Man and I re watched Captain America, I'll give you that Batman Begins everything worth rasol goal is great. But the middle section Wonder Woman i think is definitely stronger. Batman Begins is still really solid in the middle. But Wonder Woman is stronger. I mean, she goes through so much more. And that movie kind of meanders while this one is it has a much clearer trajectory. I feel like the majority of Diana's arc occurs in the last half hour during her battle with areas operated in there, but she doesn't encounter any sort of difficulty until that part and that is it everything up until then more or less smooth sailing for Diana, I guess what you're saying like sailing in like a physical standpoint, like her fighting everything sure to emotional. It's it's it started, it's kick started when the French village is gasp bombed. That's the very beginning of the third act. That's the very beginning of that first, last 35 minutes that I'm talking about. All of her arc occurs in that space for Acme change. I think it's the but I mean, no, but you can't say that's how it completes. The character is a very naive and childish character who doesn't really understand war, she doesn't understand the world she thinks. And what this film is all about is everyone is saying there's two sides when Chris Pine when he lands on that beach, and he's like, we're the good guys. They're the bad guys. It's very much found that that's trying to say everyone's thinking about these things, and black and white, good and bad. One side and the other side or even Aries like his point is humans are all bad. And Diana, when she comes in, she's essentially like humans are all good. And this film is about her learning. That's not necessarily true. I mean, it starts in the very beginning, the very opening line, she says I used to want to save the world and something about how humans aren't actually that great. And we got to learn how she kind of got to that point. So yeah, I mean, she she's maybe not changing 100% throughout the entirety of the movie, but there's definitely that growth there. There's definitely that change. There are really no obstacles not there's not a single real tactile obstacle in the film until that French village is bombed. And the movie doesn't even understand how black and white it treats its issues either because you say that Diana learns that they're all humans and everything's not as black and white as Chris Pine makes it sound but the movie treats the villains the opposition the whole world war one dilemma incredibly in an incredibly black and white lens. Yeah, yeah, that's right. she kills the Germans indiscriminately she smells she doesn't kill that many German she does I actually just rewashed it she's mostly just in cat and capacitating them the only ones that I rewatch the fucking scenes The only ones the beat scene I have to rewatch but I think she kills maybe like two but the actual trench scene and the battle village she's really just deflecting the bullets. So the only one she kills are the ones that have a shot at her. That's the only additional one but everyone else on the ground she's not like she's killing them indiscriminately that was a sniper in the bell tower. What do you what the fuck you're gonna do about that? Why can't you just take it again? She's invincible. She doesn't take bullet damage, it seems like so Why kill him? Why not just take his gun and turn him over to the citizens or turn him over to the US Army? First of all? Why is she okay with Chris Pine killing everyone? Are we even 100% sure she's invincible because I think there's fast healing. Remember, she gets hurt in the beach scene, but she does she she she can also nurse and she can also get thrown places and get hit really hard and also not get any cuts or bruises when things like that happen. She can also basically detonate a bell tower with the sheer force of her body and walks out of it without a scratch. Even if she has fast healing. You don't see anything on her. Not a single buff, nothing. It's very inconsistent the way that her healing or her invincibility vulnerability works in the movie. I mean, I guess it's a bit but it's just I feel like this as a complaint that you can lodge it to like any superhero movie with besides the Nolan movies. I mean, that's just the complaint to the genre. moreso than the movie itself. Yeah, that's and I think that's a it's a huge hitch for the genre for any sort of superhero movie. It's if your character can't be damaged, what damages them. I'm not a big superhero movie fan. I watch all the Marvel and deseas really just because I love big budget action movies. I wish they were more like they were back in the day like the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy, Dark Knight movies. You know, just there was a time that I had to I need to rewatch spider man too. But let me tell you that original Spider Man does not hold up it does not hold not great. This movie borrows a couple things from it. It does but it's like it was I know there's a hot take listeners but the original Spider Man as a kid when it came out. Holy shit. That was incredible. As an adult 20 years later, man, we have made some better movies in that. Yeah, like spider man to fuck where were we? Anyways, oh, yeah. So Chris, leave the island so that we know I actually want to talk about right before they leave the island. Her mom stops her right before they get to the boat. And so folks Yani want to take a piss? You know, listeners all the time. You know, right now, several times in our podcast, one of us will stop. No, just take a piss rake. I always cut it out. I'm sometimes tempted to just leave it just put it in. You know, just keep it in. See what it is. We talk about like you know how I hate Jani. I think he's a motherfucker. I think he's like, legitimately like, I've been thinking this past week, because I have to edit this podcast, the more and more I listened to him and I listened to his arguments. I just get so annoyed because it's just such. It's just so stupid. what he says. I mean, not stupid. And like there's a point to it. But it's just like, how do you get this to this point in your life? Like how can you not have any heart? I'm talking about you? Oh, yeah. Hey, guess what? my headphones are Bluetooth. So I did hear all of that. Every single word of it while I was on the toilet. Right? So anyways, based on how saddle up your horses without being caught until we arrived at the bay and they leave the island. I do want to know though, what was their plan for the horses? Were they just gonna leave the horses there? Or are they gonna like giddy up boys like, they were just gonna find their way back. The horses are ageless, too. They've had plenty of time to traverse the terrain of the mascara. The reason why I want to talk about this, and it's a little sad. I know. But the quote that Diana give is I also throughout the week, I've kind of been telling myself this, you know, and like just thinking about this more than any other quote is, I forgot what the mom says. She says something like, please don't go or something like that. Or like, why do you have to go? And she says, Who would I be if I stayed. And that's something that I've been thinking about a lot and relating to my own life and relating to the protests and everything and these social issues that we care about, because it's something where I don't want to go into it too much. But you know, I'm kind of a cowardly guy, and I wish I wasn't, you know, and something where sometimes you got to just reflect on yourself and who you are and what you want to be. And there's something where, you know, Diana is not she's a very brave person. And it's something you got to think about, like when you see injustice in this world, when you see things that you just see that are wrong. It's very easy to just do nothing. It's very easy to say nothing. She was also just going off of someone's word. Sure. I think the any of it You're missing the point you're missing the point. The movie also missed the point to World War One. It wasn't just a black and white situation it was entirely gray. The whole thing was very gray it was down by alliances only reason people got embroiled in it was I tell her that movie doesn't acknowledge that though. I feel like the movie doesn't you don't get anything from the German side. It's like all the Germans are just okay cartoonishly evil. Yeah, the Germans are well actually no, some of the Germans yeah are cartoonishly evil but you have the scene the word other generals who are trying to sign the peace treaty. Yes, I wish the movie explored the Germans a bit more in order to empathize with them a bit more. I do think that is one scene where we do get to see hey, they're not all about war. It's more so a couple agitators and instigators, but yeah, I do agree that the movie could have done more towards kind of exploring them in a way hadn't So anyways, they leave one last thing I'll say about this scene as they're leaving one of the side characters is like Oh, you're not going to tell Diana the truth. The mom is like the more more she knows the closer the area's we'll be defining out who she is or finding her or something like that. That doesn't make any sense. No. How would her knowing who she is? Is it like a like a smell? Does he learn more about her like it's like a special scent or something? Also in like two seconds later he finds her he finds her right away so it's she walks right into him so that doesn't even matter. So that should have been cut that was stupid. You'll want to know how you don't how you don't get your your daughter who's this weapon designed to kill a god to know that she's the god killer? Or no that there is even as a god killer. Don't build a case with the fake God killer within contact of her. They built a whole case for the sword that they called the god killer. Everyone was in on the secret they all just pretended like it was this one weapon that could kill Aries. I can be wrong, but I'm fairly sure she just implies is the god killer. They don't actually say it's the god color. Okay, but how again, this is where knowing how old she is, is also very important. Because depending on how old she is, so a lot of time to talk about these things. It's implied. Yeah, also, I had 1000 years have they not figured out the internet? You know, just say here's the other thing if they if they were closed off for so many 1000s of years, how was she speaking modern French? That was that's what I was gonna say how can you know modern languages? If you if you haven't, like you can say Oh, man, I learned all the languages, but they've changed since then. A lot of them are just totally unrecognizable. Yeah, even one language is going to change drastically in a couple years. So modern French is totally unrecognizable from like, medieval French. Yeah, so English. Yeah, English don't even don't even get started. So yeah, that doesn't make any sense. I appreciate the joke. I really enjoyed the scene where he she's talking to some year later on, when they're recruiting and their level of change. That was really fun. And you know what you may you made a note earlier in an earlier podcast where you just wish you could turn off your brain like me, I turned off my brain and that scene, I finally turn it off my brain for a good joke like that. I can't it's it's not even a joke. It's like it's played to be little the men in the room who are belittling her. It's just it's only it only serves to empower her in that moment. But in the process of doing so makes the movie look a little stupid. I don't agree thing weighs the boat scene, they travel in the boat. There's a little bit of banter between the two. I want a bit of banter between the two. It's such a long scene. Goodness, I really enjoyed it. I will say it depends on how much you're into the humor or not. Because on my first rewatch of that scene, I wasn't really laughing. So the pauses were really clear that in the earlier scene, when Chris Pine is naked, there's a lot of longer pauses just for the audience laughter because I remember in the theater listening and just you know, the audience was cracking up in those scenes. And I enjoyed it so much where in these particular cases that again, first rewatch, when you're not really laughing with it, it doesn't work as well, but then I rewatch it again, you know, I was laughing along with it and really enjoyed it. So it's something where, you know, pros and cons you leave that space for a wife, I kind of wish it was reduced a little bit low titer by not a big deal. As someone who didn't laugh The first time I watched it, I thought the pacing in the scene was incredibly weird and watching it again, I remain I remain in that in that persuasion of thinking that it's very weirdly paced and also side note basing their relationship mostly on sex just kind of makes the relationship that kind of a base. One, it doesn't endear me when I see two adults talking about sex because then I automatically think okay, so they're definitely going to hook up later on. And I'm just going to make this assumption that because they do that someone's going to tell the other one that they love them without knowing them for more than a week. I'm just worried right now petty, I first thought, yeah, the character is naive. And that's the point. But I do feel like their relationship throughout the film is very endearing, is very strong. It works. And it's not, it's not just founded on sex on physical attraction. Yeah, that scene in particular, it's very clear how they're on two opposite sides. She's the optimist. He's the pessimist. And kind of because of that, they find love in each other through that they find loving each other's ideals, and they kind of like learn from each other and grow from each other throughout this journey. I think if Charlie, the Scottish stereotype had crashed, landed on the beach, she also would have slept with him, because that would have been the first man she met. I think any man definitely, that would have landed on that beach, she would have been enamored with, which is what happened with Chris Pine, because it was just it was the first sort of relationship she had with any man of any sort, ah, to a degree, but a German guy could. German guy had landed on that beach, if it had been a bad guy that she had picked up and he was kind of good looking. And she could have she could have fought for their side, you know, I will say they would have been really would be an interesting movie, an interesting movie was the bad guy, and she had a change. So the bad guy tells her man, this is what's going on. And we as the audience are led to believe, oh, man, this is the good guy. And then we realize oh, it's actually on the bad side. And then she has to come to that realization. Oh, the guy that I fell for the guy that told me all this stuff, he lied to me. And then she asked to stand up for herself by going against him and everything he said and everything that would actually be interesting to I don't regret that we didn't get that movie though. I'm fine that we didn't get that do now. I wish I hadn't thought of that. It would have been interesting. But anyways, so they make it to London. Yes. Love all this to galgo though, was obviously pregnant. Yeah, movies, doing their darndest to hide it. But that giant coat isn't really doing the trick. It is interesting how all these little things that you're nitpicking because I generally do not notice these things, even after a couple rewatches No, maybe I was clearly pregnant in that scene when she's like first walking down the street and you see maybe it's cuz like, I'm engaged in the movie. I don't know. Maybe I'm just I've already seen interesting characters. Hey, I'm already here all about the rewatch about this. I gotta I gotta rewatch this. I got to rewatch Breaking Bad every day. I got to watch every episode tech. Breaking that every day. I go through Breaking Bad then Seinfeld in 30 rock in that order. And then I start over again every year. Hmm. So they make it to London. There's a great little bit. She's like, this place is terrible. And Chris pines like not for everybody. They meet up with Chris pines assistant. I really liked the scene where Diane is trying on all the clothes though. Because you're again showing the idea that you know even though she's adult who I guess is hypothetically 1000s of years old as you've mentioned before, she's still childish and her views on war and fighting and everything when she looks at an outfit she's looking at an outfit for is this a good fighting outfit? Can I attack in this Can I defend myself in this and it's kind of almost like you know, little boy dressing up like a soldier or a cowboy or something like you don't? You're you're thinking about these things and not as complex fashion. You're just okay, I'm obsessed with this thing before you even really know what this is. It's like both a funny scene, but I thought it was really fascinating. A character point of view. Moving on. She leaves with her sword. I don't know where she had it beforehand. I don't care kind of just appeared out of nowhere. I really liked it here. So they're getting followed by Germans. Germans do a sneak attack. She saves the Trevor in a London alley. And Steve Trevor knocks out a spy that they don't interrogate doesn't kill him. Just knocks him out. Doesn't get any information from him. They just leave him in the alley. They cyanide. No, no, no, no, no. There's a guy who cyanides himself. Yeah. But Steve Trevor's punches another one in the face and he falls flat on the other side of the alley unconscious. And you see him through the alleyway just lying there for the whole rest of the scene with him on the left and her on the right. Because cyanide himself, he was unconscious. He was punched in the face. I would have Trevor's I would have to wonder woman, I would have to rewind. I don't think he's strong enough to kill that guy with one punch. I would have to rewatch it. I didn't say Steve Trevor killed him with one punch. I'm saying maybe the guy wasn't actually unconscious. When Steve Trevor had him, he was still awake. He was conscious. No, he was conscious. He was standing up, Steve Trevor's went to punch him in the face. He falls flat on the ground. Just because he falls on the ground doesn't mean you're necessarily unconscious unconscious. He was though he was just lying there for the whole seat. You don't see him just pain and just didn't want to move. And then and what to say he said it himself because you don't even know you don't need to do two times in a row a character doing that the movie forgot about it. Maybe but I'm not going to fully give that to you. Maybe. But hey, hey, guess what? Hey, you know what else? Well, I know what else what? What? Oh, dang, that's right. Because even if they interrogated him, he wouldn't be able to tell the truth. Unless somebody had something like a I don't know, a lasso of truth to put around him to force him to say the truth to answer any question they asked as honestly as possible. Okay. Let me ask you this. Even if they did that, what would they have gained? Because she is going to ask him whereas Aries he's going to say Who the fuck is Aries? What would Steve Trevor say? He would know exactly what to ask. But what would he ask? Like? Why would he ask Maru? And sorry, what dick dastardly and muttley Where are they? What are their plans? What's going on? spies would probably know something about that. They definitely would know the questions to ask Steve Trevor's if they were kidnapping him which means they have a fair amount of information maybe maybe maybe I'm not going to fully give it to you I will say they probably semi forgot about him but that doesn't mean he didn't kill himself that doesn't mean that he 100% would have known anything that could contribute to the story because it very well could have been oh you know dead end right here that would have just added time moving on. So then we get to wonder woman and Chris Pine go to the British generals explained the situation explain what the evil Germans are up to when I say evil German that is mean like that mean to doctor poison and Danny Houston say oh no, they're gonna do some bad shit and the generals like Oh, we don't give a shit we're in his let our guys die all about peace treaty and shit. Dance is like what the fuck? No, we can't let that happen. They leave Chris Pine is like, oh, we're gonna go against my orders and we're gonna fly the front and try and save the day or something like that. Just want to add David Thewlis was obviously areas as soon as you saw him in screen. I mean, why else would they choose an actor of that caliber to play what's supposed to be a minor role? hiding your villain through misdirection for a third act twist doesn't make him like a good or memorable villain and sacrificing character depth to upset expectations just ultimately damages the narrative. So I 100% agree with that. I think he is a very weak villain. We'll talk about that more in a third act before the test her name that I went to I remember an article and deadline saying that he was cast as Aries like it specifically said that actor was cast as Aries. So I'm like, well, there goes that twist. So that was stupid. But also what's frustrating even more than a Steppenwolf or a really one dimensional villain is that this villain plays into the thematic ideas and has the potential to be really strong and is ultimately wasted. That's what's most more frustrating than anything else. Moving on. Wonder Woman and Chris Pine. They get the gang together. They recruit their boys. We got Samir, that kind of con man, fast talker. And we got Charlie the sniper stereotype, Charlie, the sniper and then we got Native American stereotype. I can't remember his name. So he's gonna he's called Chief rondon. Oh my gosh, his name is actually chief and the movie. I think it's just chief. I was just gonna call him chief as a reference to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, but you're telling me this character's actual name was chief? That's what they call in the movie. So it was this movie made in 1963? Or was this movie made in 2017? I don't remember man. 2017 Oh, okay, good. Thanks. I forgot for a second. I think the fact that his did the character's name is chief is not great. Sure. But the fact that you had this representation that doesn't need to be there. I feel like is at least a step in the right direction. And also thing is Native Americans were a presence in on the battlefield in World War One and World War Two. They didn't look like that. That's the thing. They were wearing their their uniforms. Okay, so that's another thing that they could have done better. But the fact that they had these a more diverse well rounded group, I think is a plus. It's stronger versus like, I told you I rewatch Captain America. This movie, let's be honest, has a lot of similar beats to Captain America. But I would also lock Yeah, no, I'm not I'm not gonna disagree with you that there. That being said, I think this movie is stronger and pretty much every regard almost everything that Captain America does, this movie does so much better. One of those is the group around the main character so in Captain America, you got the Howling Commandos who you don't remember anything about them. I mean, you got the what's the actor's name? I, there's two actors that I really love, Neil, Neil something. It's like Neil McDonnell, or something like that he is a really great act I really enjoy. But it's just like, that group is so wasted, they do almost nothing. You don't know anything about them. And so frustrating. So Wonder Woman, while those side characters, and I think Charlie is kind of the worst of the bunch, if I'm being honest, they set him up for some sort of payoff that he never ultimately gets. But I would say they do a huge disservice to this character. Yeah, for sure. But at the same time, even though it's a disservice to his character, I still was very endeared to all them everything after the battle. So what are ones talk with Samir about how he he has this really great quote about how he wants to be an actor, but he's not the right color. And then Wonder Woman talks about Charlie. And he says that everyone's fighting their own battles, like these are really small moments. And there, you can argue they're kind of hitting a nail on the head, as opposed to being you know, a little more subtle about things. But I still feel like even having those moments is really strong, really makes the characters endearing, and really makes me grow and feel for them. And to have those points in the movie that doesn't necessarily need to have them, I think is really strong. They kind of just go through the rounds, but chief doesn't even have that chief has one line where he says he responds to like, a question of what happened to your land or something. And then he motions over to Steve, and he's like, his people took it from us. Yeah. And that's it. Yeah, no, you're just left to imply that he has that kind of stereotypical I'm an I'm a Native American with no land dilemma, as if that's all there is to his character. Yeah, sure. I cheat I wish chief had more time to. So anyway, Scottish people hate Charlie, just say the ones that I've talked to who've seen this movie, they hate that sort of representation, even if he's given some sort of psychological disorder like PTSD. Anyways, moving on to so they were they were crew, the gang, yada yada, they go to the frontline. And as they're going to the frontline numerous times, I said this before, but numerous times Diana wants to help people so she wants to help a man who was injured she she wants to help a horse that's struggling, and that the men are just whipping it to faster. And each and every time she is told, no, we don't have time, we had to move on, we stick to our mission. So it's not even a matter of it's not like oh man, you're a woman, you can't do this. It's a we have other things you can help. But this is not the way to help, you can help but we have some that as quote unquote, more important, Diane is like, No, I'm gonna help where I can where I see problems, which leads to the trends seen which we talked about earlier. I don't think we're gonna get any more headway into it. So we'll just skip over. Needless to say, I do just want to make one note about that scene. And it's it's an issue I keep bringing up about Diane is that she doesn't really encounter any sort of obstacle and our path to the third act. This would have been the ideal time for that if we had seen her receive some sort of injury, some sort of damage, even if she's going to heal from it quickly. Some something to slow down her momentum, some sort of wall for her to jump in that one scene. I knew you're gonna want to show progress. I just really don't think I just that was not her struggle, though. She's not a john McClane. She's not a Batman. She's not a character where the physicality is the issue. It's about her personal stakes and our personal growth and what she has to overcome. It's a more abstract kind of thing. So interlace the two though, they told her she is fairly competent in her physical abilities. I feel like if you I feel like if you focused on that it would demean the point. You know, I don't feel like it would make it as strong. So I understand what you're saying. I'm not saying focus on it. I'm just saying show the woman getting shot. Sure get shot, maybe. Maybe Maybe she should have got shot once. I don't know. But I still feel like that's still a powerful scene. I don't feel like that particularly detracted from the power of that scene moving on. So she rested a town her on a gang fight the Germans. I really loved all the action in this scene. It was really well choreographed, it was really well shot. It was really well just put together in general. This is probably one of my favorite action scenes in the past couple years. Because you know, one of the most important things about action and I kind of talked about in the bad boys episode too. It's just it's about the little Moments it's about like you really want to have clarity in your action as to what's going on what the characters are doing, where they are in the space, their hits their blows, etc etc. In necessarily need to have a character get hurt and these action scenes I mean that can help depending on the character and the tone that the film was going for. But you do need clarity you do you do need to know what's going on a do need to have rewarding and cathartic moments. This movie has that in spades, particularly in this scene, it has a lot of great moments of her fighting the German guys of her either using her shield using her sword, deflecting bullets using her lasso that are all put together really well. If you're going to show Charlie on screen about to take a shot and failing to do so with failing the entire team because he has PTSD and then not reassess that issue later on in the narrative. Don't show it at all. Don't waste time on it. Either have him take a shot and Miss or just be not as good at his job or get somebody who can actually do the job. I don't know why Steve Trevor's went to him. Listen, Charlie's not the best character. Let's just agree with that. I mean, we're not I just Well, if I'm gonna say it, I have to point out all the time. I have to point out all the times that Charlie is not a great character and where it bogs down the movie. So we just we did a bag Yeah, so after they say the town celebrate a little bit they bag thanks for thanks for that. clarity. Thanks for that. observation. Johnny always can count on you for the little nuances of films. That's it's not really a lot of nuance to it. She gives him the eyes. They go upstairs to his or her room. I don't know whose room they go to. And they sleep together. More or less more or less it Charlie's playing the piano. I don't know where I'm Chief or what's the other guy's name is Sam here or while way off? Samir? I don't know where severe and chief are but Charlie's playing that piano. He seems totally fine. After everything. Yeah. So they sleep together and the next morning comes and the to death. So next morning, they make off to the German castle trying to infiltrate it Steve goes in as a spy pretends to be a German guy trying to talk to you doctor poison to figure out her plan and everything that's going on. Meanwhile, great performance by the way, he's great in this scene. Good God. Chris Pine is great in this scene what have convinced me to just throw everything away throw away dick dastardly and run away with German accent Chris Pine and then Wonder Woman shows up and then you have to remember Oh, right. Dang it. This is a wonder woman movie. She's going to show up again. There she is. clenching that sword between her butt cheeks. Yeah, now that doesn't it? That doesn't make any sense at all. I mean, how can she have that in her dress? How can she hold that sword? They just forced that right in there. But you know what? I mad? I got over it. That's fine. Whatever. Ain't broke. It didn't ruin the movie. For me. It's definitely it's definitely you know, a problem. But one thing that bugged me with this scene, and part of what's important part of like, what's important about keeping this secret about keeping the twist about of Aries alive, is the audience thinking or having some sort of reasonable belief that Danny Houston is actually Aries and I can't help couldn't help but think with the scene. Wow, isn't it so convenient that he said that kind of off kilter crazy nonsense about the gods and that he had some sort of either above average knowledge of Greek myth and even some to some extent an obsession with the gods. Because the way he was talking that sounded more like you know, Nazi era ideology and this is World War One. It is interesting just going off of that point, where the original Wonder Woman origin story I mean, she's had numerous origins but one of them is essentially the same story or a version of the same story but in World War Two with Nazis pardon me just wonders did they make it World War One because you can't necessarily have the same idea of Oh, man, we can sympathize with the Nazis. Not everyone's super bad. It's kind of gray you can't do that with Nazis Well, you can do what the average German foot soldier but no not with like actual member of the Nazi Yeah, it's it's like they want to have a movie never look away did actually do that. There was kind of something interesting about that. I'm not saying you can't do that in a more complex drama. It's more difficult in a main street. Yeah. And a main screen in a mainstream superhero movie meant for kids. There's no way that they can do that and then not get a lot of outraged parents afterwards. I can't you just can't do that. How dare you make those Germans have emotions and feelings and conflict? They want to have their cake and eat it too They want to they want to have Nazis but not really Nazis because point you may honestly let's be real the kids watching this movie probably don't know the difference between World War One and World War Two they're just like a German spell kids probably don't know but you know this movies made for everybody it's not just for the little kids I mean I hate oak mud river one Yeah, well this is a little side note I hate hate hate whenever people delegate whether it be superhero movies or like George Lucas is notorious or saying this about the Star Wars movies but saying all these movies are just meant for kids Star Wars super against Star Wars superhero movies cetera because yeah, kids are certainly an audience. for them. They are a main target. But that doesn't mean you should be dumbing down your films or making them inferior because of that. It's just insanely frustrating because you can still have complex thoughtful films that cater to all audiences. You know, I mean, just look at Pixar. That should end all your arguments about whether a film can be for kids, but also for adults. It should be for a mass audience. It should be something a theme idea or something that's universal. You know, it shouldn't be just like a dumbed down DreamWorks stupid fart joke thing megamind mega mega mega mind actually that wasn't a bad but you don't want actually wasn't a bad DreamWorks movie and you're probably gonna I've told you this boss baby let me let me ask you this when you put boss baby above Wonder Woman Yes. Yeah, you heard it there. You were honest. Even Wonder Woman Yeah, you heard it here folks. Jani thinks boss baby is a better film than Wonder Woman hi and listeners just to say this in my own voice. Vocal attestation here I do consider boss baby superior to Wonder Woman the 2017 Wonder Woman boss baby is better straight from the lion's mouth donkeys mouth horse's mouth horse's mouth straight from the horse's mouth asshole as his mouth anyways town though the little French village gets it gets bombed. Yeah, it gets built gets bombed I'll die. sad moment. They all die. And you know what? It's sad. I don't really care about it all that much. They all die and I have no connection to them other than the fact that they're human beings, which is sad in its own right. I have a fix for if Charlie had been there if Charlie had been unable to come with him for whatever reason, and he had died there that would have sold it for me that was kill one of their that would wonder their gang that would have I would have bought it. I would have bought all the outrage all the upset if she had seen all the dead civilians and then found Charlie dead. You're right. That would be Charlie. No, it had to be Charlie, they should have done that. I agree. I thought the bombing of the town was strong. It's something that I definitely didn't see coming. And it's something where a problem I have with a lot of superhero films is that you try and have huge stakes. But because the stakes are too huge, you know, it's always bad guys trying to end the world is trying to kill everyone. And because of that, there's are no stakes because we know that can't happen. But in this film, The stakes are a lot smaller. And but because they are smaller, they're more plausible. So one of these stakes is the town she says a town but then it's everyone's killed. I think that's strong. And I think that's powerful. But you know, I do agree with you. I didn't think about killing one of the members like that. I think they've if they had killed Charlie, in that way, it would have been really strong and it would have been really powerful. So I agree. I wish they had done that. We should kill Charlie. Anyway, she gets totally fucking die. Just kidding. Well, he's like, we really only get he's the only character that we get the only side character the tertiary character that we get any sort of emotional attachment. I had to I mean, I fell it. I liked Samir a lot. I liked him a lot. I liked him, but I didn't feel anything for him. I felt for him. But I also real I would be really freakin upset if he died, or Charlie's the kind of character that is kind of just set up to die. And you know, yeah, it is interesting. So now we're getting into the third act, the ending and we're both gonna agree it's not a good ending. It's not a good third act. There's a lot of problems with that. Let's just very quickly say what happens. So Wonder Woman goes to the airbase where the Germans have an airplane for poison that they're going to fly out and they've fast tracked boys in production. It's already ready to go. Dr. Moura came up with it two nights ago and they've already produced enough to bomb they're gonna they're gonna bomb where the peace accord is supposed to be placed. So they're doing that Wonder Woman finds Danny strong. I mean, sorry, Danny Houston. They get into. They get into a fight. she kills her relatively one sided fight well, he never thinks about how easy it is. Yeah, then she's like Whoa, I killed Aries. Why is this war not ending? Oh no. Then Aries reveals himself. Oh shocker. It's David Thewlis the whole time David Thewlis, they get into a big ass fight that's totally unnecessary. Meanwhile, CG, Chris Pine takes over the airplane and destroys it mid air, he sacrifices himself Wonder Woman beats Aries and save the day, essentially, see, there are moments in this third act that were good. But the good moments are overshadowed by its wasted potential. Because it could have been something really strong, really powerful, but it's not well accomplished. And it's something where it's interesting to think about the internal politics of Warner Brothers at the time, and just what superhero movies are these days, because I feel like a lot of better action movies like if you think about read when I was rewatching, Batman Begins or you know, to a degree Spider Man and some of the movies that this movie draws inspiration from that I really love are the Indiana Jones movies and all those movies. It really doesn't culminate in a big fight between the hero and the villain where the hero needs to defeat the villain and Batman Begins and spider man there is a fight between the two but the hero doesn't win by out by beating up the bad guy more like it's not a physical win. It's always the hero has to learn something and accomplish something I mean in Raiders and Last Crusade indeed doesn't beat up the Nazis at the end. That's not what happened. You know? And that's what needs to happen wonder what and like we didn't we didn't need that big fight that big fight tarnishes the concept that the themes like the whole thing The film has gone for just to have a big fight at the end and something where I think Patty Jenkins is a smart enough filmmaker to know better than that. I just think that there were some concessions she had to make this is my speculation. I think there are some concessions she probably had to make an order to a film especially a big budget film directors, they're supervising they have a lot of input but sometimes studios they have a lot on line they're not going to give you total creative freedom. So there's something where like with the Trent scene, I know that the DC executive is wanting to cut they said there's no point of this where she said there actually is a point this needs to be in there and I'm so thankful it is because it's a great scene, but I feel like there was probably trade offs and I feel like this has got to have been a trade off or something or other war she had to say okay, you can have if we actually have to have this or if I want to have something else whether it be a trend scene or something else and I have to have this then fine. I'll have to do this but yeah, I'm sure you have more to rip on in the finale But yeah, I have a go at it. We were chronologically Yeah, so the first thing that came to the top of my head after the whole you know, Emmy Award, the most obvious villain reveal played by an acclaimed actor ostensibly Miss cast and a minor role goes to David Thewlis. In addition to that starting off, I wonder if Diana would have actually been able to kill Aries if he hadn't revealed to her that she was the god killer because she had no idea despite dozens and dozens of illusions to the reality of her being made on thin mascara through her whole early life. It only could have been more obvious to her that she was the god killer if she had a handmaiden following her around shouting with a megaphone megaphone saying God killer coming through. Look out for the god killer make way for the god killer. It's so Hi, Kayla, how you guys got to kill a half dozen figure it out until the villain tells her makes me wonder if she ever would have and for that reason makes me question if she could have actually beaten him. Had they not made him tell her? Yeah, because she's pretty shocked. She's She's really shocked by that moment. And if he had not made that one like dumb slip, he would have won. Yeah, no, he's it was dummy, the whole Aries thing it was just so poorly thought out to say something like he didn't make human beings do anything they couldn't. That was not within their power to do. It was something that they just they had the ability to choose. And he influenced their choice. And then to say that it wasn't through his manipulation that he rose to the power to power as Sir Patrick to a level of notoriety and influences in society to say that he didn't have any sort of power over anybody that he didn't manipulate and work his way to the top that he didn't directly influence people exploit them totally undoes his entire argument and the entire argument of the film to make that your villain to make that the thing that the good guys are fighting against, I think and undo is his argument. But I don't think and undo is the argument. Oh, the film, I think just weakens the argument. So it doesn't totally undo it. Well, if you make the first huge global struggle in mankind history The orchestrations of a mythological being then yeah it kind of does if this whole struggle strings were just pulled by a Greek God then yeah it kind of does because then the war doesn't mean anything. He was just he was behind the scenes the whole time. I just don't feel like that on I guess what is your interpretation of what the film is trying to say that the film is trying to say that men have men mankind the race of men, they have the power within them to be either good or bad they can either do something or do nothing I guess as Steve Trevor says nothing you know if you want to extrapolate that from nothing of absence of things absence of good is always evil. And yeah, nothing is evil something is good. You if that's the point of the movie, which I think it is do you care to disagree? i don't i don't i don't i think that's part of it. But I think I think it's more so all the characters from Diana and the beginning to Aries is point to Steve. Actually, semi Steve but Steve is more so kind of the middle ground that brings her in, but really Diana and Aries are the opposites in that how they look at men is very in a way simplistic. They don't have that kind of nuance that Diana is men are all good. And men are men are all evil. Yeah, the point she arrives at at the very end with her being altruistic All men are good areas being totally negative. All men are bad point she arrives at at the very end is that their dual create their dualistic right? Yeah, exactly. They have all the capabilities of both within them. Yeah, you can do something or you can do nothing. That's that's that is the point. I don't feel like so when you when you make a mythological creature, pull the strings behind it all. Doesn't it kind of undermine that choice isn't really a choice. If somebody is pushing you in one direction. And this isn't this isn't a maybe he is maybe he isn't. He definitely has been. The movie goes to efforts to show us how he has been doing. He inspires Dr. Maru. He blows a piece of paper her way who knows what else he'd done in the past leading up to that point, or in his climb to notoriety in the British government. Who knows what else he's done? Yeah, but you can't help but feel that he's orchestrated a lot of this that he's that he's kind of just been the Svengali working, I think to the gray. I just think that I'm more with the film where Yeah, he's orchestrating it, but not a hundo he's not it's like he says he's not necessarily forcing them. Now. He knows their predispositions he knows they're gonna probably go with it sound like 100% so it is kind of he's choosy with his words like yeah, they're I gave him a choice back in the day. I knew they were going to go with it, but I don't I again, I just don't think that while the entirety of the ending undermines like the entirety of the third act undermines the film as a whole I don't think it like completely tarnishes the point. You know, I did not like Aqua man. I was really irritated with Aqua man but the one thing I absolutely loved about that movie was that the villain did not get killed in the variant mom comes to the surface. Nicole Kidman shows up and she just has stopped fighting but she just kills him. She's you know yeah. droids him No, Diana shouldn't have done Diana shouldn't have killed them vanish. Also, Diana, if this is a world that's sorry. I was gonna say also Diana should not have killed Danny Houston. I feel like that's, I understand the point. They're trying to mail Mira, she didn't kill Mira, which I think was more or less achieved the same point. Sure. But if you're gonna have a character who part of what I love about Diana is her compassion. She's one of the most compassionate superheroes I've seen. And it's interesting, like rewatching, those origin stories that I was talking about compassion is a big thematic idea of all and they literally all say the word compassion is brought up in all of them. Alford teaches Bruce Wayne or I think it's actually more So Katie Holmes teaches him about compassion. Uncle Ben teaches Peter Parker about compassion. Wonder Woman it's it's interesting where those characters have to be taught about compassion. She kind of inherently has it. And that's something I really loved. And I really appreciated throughout this movie and it just as a focal point for this movie. So for her to just killed Danny Houston. It just it undermines that in her character. But it also it says you can still have the idea of Aries like a he's not Aries and even if he was men are still going to be doing what they're doing. Like the idea that stopping one man doesn't change what's going on. You can still have her like stop him tie him up. Well, this is a universe where the Greek The Greek mythology is actually real. There's Tartarus Banham banish him to Tartarus I guess I mean yeah, essentially lock him up or do something that doesn't involve just killing him but still have the same point. So I wish that they didn't have that I wish they did done something about it. You know, also while we're on the point of Danny Houston just him snorting that superhuman crack or whatever just stupid we didn't need that and they're like that you know what there was misdirection because here's the point establishes Clara's poor Miss direction like it was comical. It was it was what they're trying to tell you like, oh, Aries was damaged, he was hurt. He needed to keep go regained his strength, which I have. Another thing that just makes this whole battle at the very end. So confusing is that he's supposed to be weakened by that battle with Zeus at the very beginning. What happened to him being too weak to enslave or destroy the world of men? If he thinks he's strong enough to take on the one thing created to destroy him? How does he think he's strong enough to kill the thing literally called the god killer, but not strong enough to come out? And just outright try to take over human civilization? And also, just like, it doesn't seem smart at all. Oh, he's stupid. He just says generic bad guy dialogue to her throughout that entire scene. That entire action scene is really just dull and boring. The characters wasted. It's interesting. I was watching and listen, I'm not like a big guy of Oh, man. If only they had done this or done that, or rerun. I mean, I think for example, like with Game of Thrones, the ending of that there's a million videos are like, Whoa, they only did this or that. Who knows. But there was a video regardless what we got. Yeah, exactly. But with Got Game of Thrones, God Shut the fuck up. Anyways, so funny. No, you're not you don't say anything funny. You're so Hmm. So there's this, I'd recommend watching. I think that YouTube channels like Nando versus movies or something like that. And he has like this two part video essay, where he examines what the ending of Wonder one really should have been, which is kind of kind of what we're talking about, where there's no final fight with Aries, because Aries is more of an abstract idea. He still comes in at the end. And and this is like a 30 minute video essay. So I'm really boiling it down right now. But essentially, he says Aries should have told Diana, hey, what you were told in the past is kind of a lie and make the character more I don't want to say sympathetic but make the character you know, the best bad guys are the ones where you can understand their argument and their reasoning. So it'd be a case where you don't necessarily agree with areas by you. It's like, Listen, Zeus and those Greek gods, they're kind of assholes, and they were going against me and they are going against humanity. And they were actually pretty evil unto themselves. Anything you were told about how good and great they were is not true. And I was actually fighting for my own kind of life, essentially, like I wasn't malicious or anything. I'm not I'm just saying, again, I'm just really boiling a different movie if you do that, because then you have to show the possibility of those. There's the events there's an interpreted there's a lot there's a lot of other things but anyways, so he disappears there's no actual final fight with him and Diana more so has to so in this hypothetical doctor poison is a bit more fleshed out, she's on the plane with all the poison up in the air, Diana has to get on the plane instead of Chris Pine sacrificing self, Diana has to make essentially an emotional argument to her like essentially, this person who this entire time is essentially in our minds a bad person, Diana has to see the humanity in her and convince her to do the right thing. It's something where it would have worked so well within her character what they are trying to do with the messages and themes of the story and like hearing that is I am just so insanely frustrated that that is not may not that exact ending is not what they did, but just something similar. This is again, this is not we didn't need the final fight there should not have been a final fight. Diana's journey is not about having a final fight. It's about her getting a more complex understanding of the world and growing into herself. It's about her journey. It's not about fighting a one dimensional villain in a CGI fight. That's boring, you know, but hey, he had some cool armor Sean No, he didn't have any laying fucking armor. He needed the time needed the time to forge it while die and and Steve were having that heart to heart where she didn't hear him. So thank god they were doing that while he was forging that armor, otherwise If he had just decided to forego the forgery and attack then she probably would have died. And Steve too, and that plane would have taken off. So But hey, you love your Aries action figure, don't you? What are you talking about? I've not been complimenting the third act. What the fuck are you talking about? Like, why am I trying to frame it? Like it's so dumb? Yeah, no. No, it's easy. It's easy. Okay, save me. I want to tell you some DC. Okay, I love this movie. I really love it. I in general would rather see a DC movie than a Marvel movie because even though they can be pretty shitty, you guys at least take some risks, but come the fuck on you. Why do you do this to wonder woman? What is wrong with you? I know this past week Jani. I don't know if you've been paying attention, but there's gonna be a Snider cut for the Justice League movie. So they're doing Zeneca heard about Yeah, so they're doing Zack Snyder's quote unquote, original vision and they're going to make a TV version of HBO max where he adds new scenes and cleans it up how he wanted to, honestly, you know what, fuck that. I don't give a single shit about the Snyder cut. What I want is the Wonder Woman cut. I want the Jenkins cut. I want to know what Patty Jenkins was really going to do for that third act because you know what? I guaran fucking tee that could not have been it again. Patty Jenkins is a really smart director. This is the only movie I've seen of hers, which is a shame. I really should watch more of her filmography. But I mean, she makes a lot of smart choices. I mean, before this, I was watching some of the behind the scenes and everything. She's a smart director, so I cannot fathom this ending being her go to choice. It just doesn't make any sense to me. I want that Jenkins cut it's stinks of studio. Yeah. reeks real smelly, like yeah, like Rene's like, like your house, like your your body odor, like, like your piss in my sink. So this is kind of just as you peed in my sink of how you broke my cot. We'll never forget that. I never forget that. I just want you to know, it's that you broke my cot. You see it, you see it in like this third act for my heart all the time where the hero to overcome the antagonist. At the final moment, they just get emotional enough or they get angry enough, they are able to tap into some sort of anger, some sort of fear, emotion, some power within them. And that's how they finally are able to beat the villain. It's just about getting upset. It's about being provoked to the point where you're suddenly able to burst beyond your preconceived limitations and defeat the antagonist for Wonder Woman in this instance, it was I guess the seeing Steve, I love him telling her the power of love. It's such a trope. It's not the worst part of the third act but like I said cherry on top just if you'll want to throw in what's the everything in the kitchen sink or everything in the kitchen sink out? Yeah, it's a turd afraid. No, no. What's that turn of phrase? It's like everything but error, I think is everything but the kitchen sink. No, I don't think that's it. here's here's here's, here's a fun fact. Here's a little fun fact. So I was listening to a podcast a couple weeks ago about Netflix versus blockbuster. This one they are really heated like early 2000s. And on a sales call. Netflix said blockbusters throwing everything but the kitchen sink at us next day blockbuster sends the CEO of Netflix a kitchen sink. Oh my God, that's funny. Okay, not to say that this is the kitchen sink that was waiting to be thrown there. But maybe it's like a spigot maybe the fall. Here's what I'll say with the idea of like, love conquering all because Diana has kind of a cheesy line at the end about it. It's something where Yeah, it is a bit cheesy. It's a bit hokey. I wish it was handled with a little more nuance. It is that is a platitude. Yeah, but at the same time, sometimes the simplest thing is the right thing to say. And when I say that, again, like going back to you know everything that's going on right now, sometimes the videos of seeing protesters just saying I forgot the exact phrasing, but I was watching a video a couple days ago where they're chanting some phrase about love, you know, it's like really blunt is really straightforward like that, you know, love is all you need or something like that, or love each other. Something like really fucking simple, something really on the nose. And it was really moving and really effective. And sometimes, especially with a character like this a character that is inspirational character to beacon of hope, a character that's compassionate sometimes that simplicity is what we need. We need that kind of message of love and compassion because it's very easy and like This is where you can say like, oh, there's more so for the kids, sure, but it's just to remind us all to treat each other with love and respect. And especially like in a movie that has so much grittiness and grime, because it takes place in World War One. I do appreciate that, even if it is on the nose, I think is effective. And I think it works. I just I don't think this movies about love, though. I think what you're mistaking love for is what You're mistaking for love is actually compassion. Yeah, no, I wish. I wish that. I think this compassion not just like I think is love is it's a very broad Yeah, no, I agree. I think love was a bit broader than they should have. I wish they had we use the word like compassion or something more nuanced. If they use compassion, they definitely would have contradicted themselves, especially with the third act. Yeah. Listen, the third act has problem. I'm not arguing that. But I don't think that defeats the message entirely like you say it does. I just think it diminishes that a bit. I think if a third of your argument is flawed, and tendentious, and not supported by actual facts, then there's a good chance your dissertation will not be accepted and not be approved by the PhD board. All right, buddy. Well, I agree to disagree. That brings us to our wrap our wrap up Yeah, our I'm slowly finding as we do this, that the story and the writing element of this because we are like more story centric individuals that eats up about 90% of the run. Oh, it does. And then they just everything that follows is just immediate. Yeah, no conclusion. Let's hop through it as quickly as possible. Yeah, directing cinematography, editing, I kind of think we need to like, I'll tell you, we should just excise these categories. Like they're just that even though I want to I want to have a final statement, because I do. Here's the thing. I agree with you. I think Patty Jenkins is a fine director. I think she's an intelligent director. I think she kind of got screwed over by the studio. But what were you expecting when you were making a superhero film, if you're making $100 million plus superhero movie studio is going to intervene? I think she did. With those limitations and the leading talent that she was given, like I said, I don't think galgut is a particularly good actor, or at least is not particularly skilled in reading her lines quite yet. But Patty Jenkins are still that during production. She understood that galles talent lay in her facial expressions and not her performances and managed to work around it managed to build a cast with other very strong actors that kind of brought out the best in her. I thought that the action scenes were not particularly impressive, like I told you, but everything on the front line and in the trenches was pretty solid. As far as tone goes. The sort of you see the way it's constructed. You see how the director put everything together the the blocking the pacing, the museum sin, he's on scene, as me's on center. This isn't necessarily her decision. I really can't say whose decision it was. It's a little interesting. But going back to the third act, it was a really interesting choice to have Trevor's admission of love play entirely silent at first, it was unique. I probably haven't seen anything like that done. When the reveal follows it less than five minutes later. It's usually something happens at one point in the movie and then like an hour passes or half an hour passes and then you finally hear it. It didn't work as well as it could have, but it also did not as a really backhanded compliment. Yeah, well, that's how I feel about it. Everything about it tells me it shouldn't have worked at all, but it did kind of work. I did dislike it but I also think it could have been handled a little more strongly now. So I think she did a fine job given the constraints. Yeah, Patty Jenkins Like I said before, I thought her direction was wonderful. I loved so many little things. And when I say all these things, it's like because they all relate to directing like the cinematography the look at the film, The wardrobes, the color, the action scenes, that actress she cast, it all trickles down starting from her. And I don't think this movie would be nearly as good in anyone else's hands. Michelle McLaren. I will say I think Michelle Maclaren would have been better. You know what you wanted to do? Right? What did you want to do want to have the talking tiger? Yeah, man. Hey, she directed some of the best episodes of Breaking Bad. Okay, yeah, so I say maybe talking to Michelle Maclaren, send over your script, send over your storyboards. So Jani can say or Shawn or told your audition is a better movie? Is that your impression of me? Is that what you think I sound? Well, we've established in earlier episodes. I can't do an impression. I'm a Jimmy Fallon type, even though you think Jimmy Fallon does a good Bob Dylan. Okay, Neil. Neil, whatever. I can't do impressions. That is my point. You suck. I hate you. That is my point. The cinematography was good. Yes. Good. not raising I take great and you say great. I love that. Yeah, didn't blow me away editing. Like I said, action scenes I didn't think were great. But the editing during those scenes was good. They had to cover for a lot of discrepancies. So I think that the mat that they managed to hide as much as they did was impressive. It also, and I've alluded to this beforehand, it really seems like they did have to edit around galgos performance because whenever you see her in a dialogue with other characters, you're always seeing and hearing more of the other character than you're hearing and seeing galgut like kept track of it once I started to notice it and it's kind of like 6040 other character Delgado, whenever they're speaking, I'd have to I'd have to, I mean, listen, there are instances where I'm like, Oh, that's not the best one of the times was when Aires reveals himself and she denies him she's like, I can't do that or something like that. That was a particularly bad line reading, but I overall I felt I guess they just did a great job at editing around her because I thought she did a fine acting job. Like I'm not saying Oscar worthy. I'm not saying tremendous, but I'm saying for the role of what she needed to do and accomplish. She did a solid job moving on into acting, acting and characters like I just said with Galaga doe How can I say that again? And like I said earlier, Chris Pine love the shit out of Chris Pine, Chris Pine honestly, the best part of this movie and the movie knows it. However, the you I know you vehemently disagree with this statement. I think she's kind of a Mary Sue Diana. I don't think so. But in terms of acting and character guy well in terms of just acting I'd say my comparable to her is Charlie Hunnam in Pacific Rim. She's probably she's hitting about the same stride as he was. Ah, hi guy. I haven't seen that movie in 70 is not great that people don't give him enough heck for it, but they should because he has some god awful line readings. I really do not remember Charlie Hunnam his performance in Pacific Rim so I can't speak to exactly that. I still think she's better though. Maybe that's just because I feel like the characters more fully realized and a better character then Charlie Holmes and Pacific Rim performance. Now I know. I'm trying to think why exactly. Yeah. I don't know about actors act. No, I know. I know what you're talking about. Are you not listening to the words that are coming out of my mouth? No, no. I mean, like when they say the words and how they say the words and the cadence and inflection. I know, I understand what fucking sentence Stan and sometimes like, I understand what you're talking about. What I'm saying also depends on the I don't know my gut reaction is coming from because I like the character more than bland as Charlie Hunnam and bland as character and Pacific Rim. And that's not to say Charlie Hunnam is a bad actor. I've seen him do a good job and things but in that particular movie, he's just not memorable. I but I just I again, I can't say whether it's his performance, or the character or I can say in this film, the characters memorable. And while galgos performance is not Holy shit, let me just hand out all the awards to gal Godot. She's just like a fucking genius of an actress. But like I was saying earlier Arno's towards their slice alone, you're not gonna get like amazing fucking performance out of them every time but if you put them in the right role, if you put Arnie and commando if you put sly in Rocky, you're gonna get what you need out of them. Okay, following along with this Pacific Rim analogy, if gallica dough is Charlie Hunnam, then Chris Pine Is it your salvo? I felt like you're gonna say Oh, he just was just a fantastic actor. He is amazing. I don't know if it's He's, uh, I'm not saying every movie. You got to watch the wire. You got to watch the wire. No, I need to watch the wire. I'm going to watch and what are you do a? It's not in Boston? What's the difference? It's in Baltimore. I'm not from the northeast. I would I know that. Oh, my God, you Hawk the call in the hub would ya? See like, I know, I can't do impressions and you were just doing like, I you think boxing is the entire scene. If I if I do. Like I said, if we talked about Florida, you're gonna do a Boston accent in Florida. There was one line. Since we're talking about bad line reading. There was one line that not even the actor sounded like they could figure out a way to make it believable, or whatever. It's the same. Yeah, the line that I'm going to say when they're getting the game together, and everyone's in the bar. And Samir says after Dianna punches Charlie's Oh no, I love this line. He says I'm both frightened and around fucking love that line. It doesn't he doesn't sell it at all. buyer percent selling the sell that loss after severe was great. I loved him. He's like he's just questioning like, do do I do this. Here's the thing I don't like Why am I not hating this as a question? Shut the fuck up that actor The first time I saw it, I'm like, hey, like, I'm not 100% and Damn, because I love everyone else. But the more I've seen this movie, the more I really fucking grow to love them. I mean, it just feels like it's so fun. So funny. He's so lovable, and he just has so many great lines. And he has a lot of depth and nuance. This isn't one of them, though. It just it sticks out like a sore thumb in the scene. I disagree. But other other I mean, I really hate the last shot the last shot just it's it's unnecessary. She's just gliding through the air towards the camera in slow motion. And it's obviously a green screen behind her like the visual effects in this movie sometimes are passable, very good, but sometimes they're like Black Panther levels of laughably bad, like Marvel in general. That wasn't the scene or shot I hated the most. But it's definitely high up there. It was a very like campy ending to this movie that's for, for the most part been relatively serious. I'm indifferent to that. I liked it. I didn't think it was an amazing ending. I thought it was a fine ending. It's how most superhero movies like origin and a lot of movies and just like the hero going to start saving the day donning their outfit, that kind of thing. I mean, it's not the same thing that stands out final thoughts. Like I said, I love this film. I think I've said everything I really wanted to say. I mean, I will say it's a film that I'm surprised by how rewatchable it is even just little scenes, because on my fourth rewatch that I was watching just today, I wasn't really watching all the way through, I was starting and stopping a lot while he's doing some other things. And I just constantly felt myself just loving individual scenes for what they were doing. Because there's just such a great craftsmanship within the film. I really love action adventure films like Pirates of the Caribbean, like Indiana Jones, and I am really sad that they don't make those kinds of films anymore. Instead, we got these big budget superhero movies, I'm okay with superhero movies, but I don't love them. And I kind of get I find it kind of a shame that they kind of kicked out the kinds of movies I grew up and really loved. So to see this film that's both a superhero movie, but very much takes its inspiration from the films I love, but actually does a good job with it is really refreshing. And I just know, I'm going to keep on watching this film in a year in two years, I'm just this is one of those special films that I think is always going to be with me. And I'm always going to be able to rewatch and enjoy. You know, a lot of the films that I've picked in the past, you know, like Tango, cash, Scooby Doo, some of those I love more statically. And you know, I really love them. But I do recognize that there's plenty of flaws. This is easily the best film I've picked, in my opinion. third act the side, this is a really strong film and even the third act, there's a lot of problems, but there's still a lot of strong ideas and thoughts. I don't know, like I said a lot to love about this film. It's really important to me. I'm glad that we watched it now any final thoughts final rating, you know, I've talked about this movie for close to three hours now. So I think everybody knows how I feel about it. I don't think I need to expound more on the writing on the film. I'm just gonna go ahead and give it a rating rating rating right away to wherever I will say I hated it less than the first time I watched it. First time I watched it, I walked out and I felt sick to my stomach and in fury ated that I wasted two and a half hours or two hours and 20 minutes, whatever the runtime is watching this sitting in the theater when I have a bad back and theater seats typically tend to hurt. So if I go out to watch a movie, it's a painful experience. And I want it to be worth my time and my money because I'm doubling down on my losses there whenever I do it, which is all to say it's a sacrifice. It's a huge sacrifice, man. Oh man, it's so sad. I'm tearing up for you. Man. You put in the real hard work of going to a movie theater and seeing a movie man this time. Jani. I will out you're the real hero out of blank here the real hero. You're America's backbone of the film. You're in the film industry his backbone. I just want you to know that thank you for all the good work you do. I know if I were out on the streets protesting right now. This these issues would dissolve instantly. I fucking dare you. Just for two minutes. Two minutes go to one protest. I dare you coming out. Damn it. No, I had something I was gonna say. And you cut me off I was trying to get onto the hi have a bad back couch. But with this viewing, I had a couch and a blanket. And I was able to stop and start at my own freewill. And what I discovered was I've liked the elements of this movie that didn't really have anything to do with Wonder Woman if I could just shut off my brain in those parts and then turn my brain back on for all the world war. One trauma and the geopolitical issues the complexities of war that they neared addressing, but then backed off from at the last second, I can say there's a fair amount of this that was not just adequately handled, but competently, like I stated at the start. So I would go so far as to say that this movie is probably about a 6.1. For me, maybe a six probably could be a 5.9. But at the high at the high end, it's a 6.1 out of 10. Okay, so it's not the worst thing you've made me watch. I respect it more than I did the first time, but I will not watch it again. I'm bad. I'm gonna pick it next time. Just gonna make me watch Wonder Woman Now, what I do is I'm going to do bad boys to again, again and again. No, I already I want to, I want to, I want to add a new category real quick, most hated film so far. Yachty what's the most hated thing that you've watched so far? Oh, man. do I'm gonna have to say bad boys. Okay, I'm gonna have to go with Cold War. Whenever I think about Cold War. I just get angry. I just get so mad. I hate that movie. So much. See, here's the thing. This is the first movie you've actually selected where your emotional feeling isn't the only reason why you support it. There's also an intellectual argument behind it for you. Yeah. So this is the first time that I've been able to discuss the movie. One of your choices on a more ideological, there was Kabhi Khushi Kabhi hate it for that. There's Kabhi Khushi Kabhi Gham you admitted parts of that movie were ridic just Yeah, yeah, sure. It was goofy. It's a goofy or it's a goofy or movie is a good movie Ron's a moron. But bad boys was just flat out bad. It was bad boys fine. Tango and cash. I could enjoy making fun Yeah, yeah, but Scooby Doo but bad boys I think sucked. Oh god Scooby goo has the melt that has the Melman dude Yo, that's the one reason I can't one joke Scooby Doo into the abyss into the irretrievable abyss. It has Melman zoo in Melbourne zoo, as we all know was the best joke of the early 2000s I defy you to find one better joke in any movie from the early 2000s one superior to Melman frickin do its Melvin Do you keep saying Melman do like a moron. You came in, remember? Oh, it's Melvin. Melvin, you came in Oh, then I take everything back. It's not if it was Melman do it'd be great, but since it's nothing, yeah, my God, nevermind, Scooby Doo is totally irredeemable, completely lost. You know, I don't know if I may say, Well, I don't know if I made this joke on that podcast. But I feel like Jani soul was taken out of him. At some point like the Scooby Doo movie, and I just never found its way back. That's just who Jani is, as a person is this soulless creature that just wanders around this saying, I don't like anything. That's fine. I need this movie to be sad and depressing and have no life and heart or see the hearts not an easy thing to access. You have to go through a breastbone to get to it, Shawn. Think about that. So what is Jani going to choose? Next time, Shawn, if you remember earlier this week, I did tell you I was going to make you suffer. I was going to make you're gonna suffer. You're gonna make me watch even though you make you still like the movie a bit. But yeah, but I still had to watch it. And I wasn't happy about that. So I was thinking, Okay, what ways Could I make Shawn suffer? My go to movie was going to be sallow or the 120 days of Sodom. But after I got criterion channel, I realized that that wasn't available to stream. Yeah, and listeners always thought okay, how can I make Shawn suffer? Can I just make a side note go ahead you're gonna cut me off listeners just so you know for here on out Yani decided the at the criterion channel subscription. So he's primarily going to be picking from that because he knows I'm gonna fucking hate it. I know this is not a popular film opinion. But you know what? I'm not a big fan of the Criterion Collection. Most of those movies I just do not give a crap about it's not my film tastes as you might know from the shit I've been picking so far. I mean, I went through a list of like everything on the Criterion Collection, just you know, like streaming to see what was on there. Mostly Jackie Chan's and yeah, the jacket. The jacket, the jacket chancer, the only Jackie Chan's and Charlie Chaplin's are the only things I find watchable everything else. There's Harold Boyd on there, too. Oh, yeah, safety last pretty good, but this is gonna be really fucking hard. I mean, man. I mean, like anything you pick God. So I thought, okay, that's the easy route. Making Shawn suffer by watching torture golden showers eating dedication. Why shouldn't you want to watch? Why do you like this? Why do you think this is good fell? But I wanted to make him suffer in a completely different way. So I decided, well, what's a movie? I know that's also about a gang of of scrappy rebels getting together to work towards the well world's betterment Star Wars. I thought oh, I know one. So Shawn, why don't you sit down alright setting Take off your your best clothing put on your shabby as Rome. shave a toucher onto your head because we're going to watch the flowers of St. Francis. And I haven't know what that is. No, you don't but I know you're going to hate it. So enjoy fucker. I you're not going to get a visceral reaction for me because I have no idea that black and white is black and white. It's black and white. It's Italian and it's Hold on. I can't believe I'm blanking when this was the director. So either Fellini or Rossellini, but I'm blanking on it right now. So let me re record this after I get it down. I can't believe I'm dammit What have you done? Oh, I'm I'm Jani. I'm the film nerd. I know everything about everything. I'm telogen Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, there are a lot of elonis in Italian cinema. Okay, you pick the phone up. You picked it. Let me Okay, you shouldn't do we should have done your research ahead of time. We're so close to being done. Dude. It's almost it's almost 1am here. Come on. Oh, it's Italian. What did you ask me? Oh, yeah. Oh, it's black and white. Yeah, it's black. It's Italian directed by Roberta Rossellini. And it's about the Catholic St. St. Francis. And I went to Catholic school. So now I know my saints. I know my you know, which St. Francis am I talking about? lssc I'm not even Catholic. And I know this assistant. Is that it? That's the only one you know, isn't it? Yeah, well, yeah, you're one. dumb luck. You got it by double. Yes, it's St. Francis of Assisi. Yeah, I mean, come on. I know. I went to Catholic school for 12 years. I got to know at least that man he loved the birds and shit right? It's just like the scent like Cinderella or something where you got like the birds flying on his shoulder like a Disney movie kind of shit. You'll find out you were going to watch it you don't have a choice. So I always have a choice Yani let me know when you need the login credentials send them to me. I'm no you don't because Aries is manipulating me right now. What does that even mean? He's telling me that I have to make you watch the flowers of St. Francis even though I have the choice not to he's heavily suggesting that I do it just send me the fucking code choice to send me the code right now. Why not? Because let's finish recording. For the love of God. 100% on Rotten Tomatoes. I just want to I didn't point this out before I just want to point this out. Wonder Woman may is 93% on Rotten Tomatoes and cold war is 92% just fun fact just thrown it out there that you know everyone thinks Wonder Woman on IMDB though. I didn't look it up but you don't besides the point I'm just saying. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. Yeah, whatever. Go fuck yourself. Shah Yani. Fuck you too. fucky fucky fucky fucky fucky fucky