Ep 23: F**k Come and See!

Hello this is Sean and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review podcast before we get started please make sure to like follow subscribe write a review of this podcast wherever you are listening right now and please be sure to follow us on Facebook Twitter or Instagram all those are linked in the description enjoy the episode come and see and I saw and behold a white horse there was a man going around taking names and he booster free and who to blame it's it's man comes around it that the title comes from the quote that is at the start of Man comes around Yon in case you didn't know in case you didn't know you don't have jack shit on Johnny Cash like you're not even worthy to be a single pubic hair on Johnny Cash his dick like you're not even worth that that about Joaquin Phoenix What about like a recreation of Johnny Cash? Just like a facsimile of them not quite Johnny Cash but can still sing kind of look like Johnny Cash saying like a clone ish like, like a clone that came out but kind of wrong. Yeah, like Joaquin Phoenix and walk the line. See Mia at least you're at least one pubic hair of walking Phoenix is scrotum. I'll take it I will take that. I will take that no more though. No more care and I'm not you know, actually I take that back what you really are that distinction every day and i think i think you're going to take this more of a compliment when it's not really compliment. You're more. Chauncey Riley, I think old pubic hair of his from Dewey Cox. That is that is high praise my friend. That is immensely high praise he is that that movie and that man are extremely underrated. Jhansi Ron is a great actor. The movie is great. Dewey Cox is great. But what I'm saying is it's a mock version of Johnny Cash that's not really Johnny Cash and let's be honest, if you're going to talk musically and greatness about these people, you would be like I'm sorry Dewey cogs, but you aren't even in the same sentence. And airgo your lesser, but I still get to be I still got to be in Jhansi Riley's groin area correct. I mean, your pubic hair either way, you know? I'll take it. Okay, well, listeners. This is fuck your opinion. A movie review podcast. Jani Ponta Scotto here and this is fuck your opinion a movie review podcast. I'm here with my guest, Sean Corbin. Sean, take it away. guests. We've had this fucking debate last time. All right, Jani. I'm not a guest. You're not a guest. We're a co hosts. Technically, I'm more of the host and you are a co host. Because you do nothing over this podcast except show up and fuck up the time. And I got to deal with it, folks. Just a real quick explanation of what he's talking about right now. He told me first of all, we always record on Sundays no matter what, at 1pm. And he told me that he needed to record on Saturday. For some reason what I said okay, King ly teen I have to push it to 115 and you know what he does? He goes and he thinks that that's supposed to be 115 his time 150 without even without even confirming that I was saying 115 my time or 1115 his time he just assumed he assumed 150 that selfish priggish piece of garbage listeners? Lucky I'm even up right now. Listeners I want you to know Jani is irritating me a lot in the past if you've listened to all 20 odd episodes we have Jani has pissed me off many times yet we make it work that lie that he just told right now is what has pissed me off literally the most. Because what he's conveniently leaving out is that week oh actually, it's time to leaving out and he's straight up lied right now where he said Oh, I'm consistent every fucking week. No, the only thing he is consistent in his every week saying oh Sean, sorry, I gotta change it to this time. I got to watch her tennis open or some shit like that. Oh, Sean, was the finals and Rafa night Rafi tianni French Open I Oh, okay. Why no? Every Weibull record shut up right now every week you got to bitch about the time and say, Oh, I guy guy switch it to this thing. I gotta switch it to this. Hi, I'm sorry, shall we go do it really early we all shot we got to do it really late. Like it's so inconsistent we actually don't really have a schedule and we actually have done it on a Saturday before because of you You asked me to do it on a Saturday before because you said I'm too busy on Sunday I got to shift it so there is precedent I wouldn't have asked you if there weren't if there wasn't President, I am busy tomorrow and I had to shift that and I asked you what time if this was okay, you said it was okay I you know I gave you the courtesy of asking you a day before you often will switch the times like an hour out and I got to just deal with that sell a lie that is absolutely true. I am I had text messages I had a text message that first of all oh wait this second of all media you can't prove it with text messages can you listeners this fool this way man I can screenshot em moron. I can screenshot and show the screenshot on the wait what we have. We have a Facebook we have a Facebook and we have a Twitter and we have an Instagram and we have a website all link below listeners or you could or if you want to email fk your opinion podcast@gmail.com our email, I can send you those screenshots and you'll be alive so Wow, it's Johnny's lying bitch. Anyways, every time we have decided on an actual time, because we're in different time zones. Jani will translate the time to my timezone. And it's been all met I assumed on my part when he said 115 that he meant 115 my time because again, see presumptuous it's not lazy when you do it every single time. You don't just out of the blue say, Oh, you know, this actually means my time. Not your time even though every single time. It's been your time. Every time if anything. Just make me look even better. I go out of my way for you. I I act superare agha tively for you. Sure, sure. Tell me you have in the past possible? Yes, I one time I slip up. One time. You just unleashed this hail of derision upon me the one as I should. I was in the middle of watching a movie and actually a good movie. I was into it. I was feeling things. And then you pulled me right out of it. Hey, folks, you want to know what what film he was watching? was American History X kind of makes you wonder what exactly he really good. Where Sean coming from what side of the what side of the debate? Is he on? We'll never know. I think I'm gonna watch that movie and go Yeah, I should be a Nazi. I mean, now you fucked me. Will you say it right now? Will you say my name is Sean Corbin and I don't like Edward Norton sign. My name is Sean Corbin. And if you're a Nazi listening this podcast if you're a proud boy, listen this podcast if you're any if you're if you're any of that in that group at all, and you fucking know who you are, you can get fucked and get out of here. I don't give a shit. Okay, well, how were you got votes if you tell them that Sean what votes are we getting? I'm sorry, you up for an election? Well, you don't know I could be locally. Well, thank God that this podcast episode we're recording pre election but it's coming out post election. So even if you are up for an election locally, thank god Jani. The proud boys not getting elected. Whoa. Or at least you don't. I don't know, sir. I don't even know what that is. But don't we do? Isn't this a podcast about film? Fuck them. But anyways. But yes, listeners This is fuck your opinion a movie review podcast. If you have a copy that one of your movies on here. Sometimes Sometimes you just bicker for 10 minutes, and then we get to it. But eventually at some point, there's some discussion of cinema So, so yonni you pick the movie for us this week. What movie did you pick? Well, the film that I picked for us to watch this week was the 1985 Russian classic. Come and see by director lm Klim off now last week or two weeks ago because last week we recorded our Hocus Pocus episode. Yeah, this is kind of a time paradox going on folks. I believe I quoted his name as being a meal. I apologize about that. I apologize to the legacy of lm clean off and this film and I We'll moving forward, do my best to remember that somewhat difficult and not correct sounding name, ml, ml klimov directed the film. Fantastic. why I chose it? Well, I didn't choose a film that I knew Sean would hate because he just didn't outright like it. I chose a film that Shawn would hate, because he would more actually hate me for picking it because he would know coming out of it, that there was just so little he could joke about that it would frustrate him endlessly. And I think I think I chose a good film for that. I think if you walk out of this sort of film, which, by the way, it's about the Bella roussy, and genocide that took place during World War Two, and you have things to criticize or make fun of yourself, you're probably an awful human being. So I can't wait to be an awful human being. I guess it's time to stand up and show what you're made of Shawn. In terms of what I would rate this film, I would give it a solid 9.5 I think it's definitely up there with Cold War, one of my favorites, I think you will struggle to find something more gripping, more emotionally draining and exhausting, but also like rewarding out there. And I watched, I watched you got mail this week. And you know, that was pretty gripping and emotionally draining and rewarding. So you know, Potato Potato? Yeah. And I'm sure you would give that what you would give, you've got mail, a 10 out of 10. You're exactly you're a 10 out of 10. There are two kinds of people in this world. There are the guys who give You've Got Mail a 10 out of 10 people sorry. And then there's everyone else in the world. Who is not a lunatic. Okay. Oh, I know that you hear it, folks. Shawn just said he would give you got nail up or literally just said I would not. Anyways, you gave it a rating anything else you want to say? Oh, no, I This one's actually relatively new for me. I didn't see it until a few months ago. And when I saw it, I was just blown back by it's literally Yeah, literally. Yeah, we'll get into it. Not necessarily the best, most. Okay, joke to make there, Shawn. See that. He's already you're already seeing how much more onion lies behind that skin. It's all just onion right down to the core, isn't it for you, Shawn, I just listeners, I just want you to understand that philosophy of this podcast real quick. So I have two intentions with this podcast, I wanted to legitimately be movie reviews. But I also wanted to legitimately be a comedy podcast that is fun for you guys to listen to. And I feel like we need to strike a balance of both because whenever we go one way or another, I think we're running into issues and problems. So after I watched this movie, and let me tell you, I went into this blind. I didn't want to know anything about what it was about. So as soon as I watch a trailer, anything else? No, I knew nothing until I started playing well, when I clicked on the Criterion Collection. selection, they gave like a very short blurb. So literally right before I was about to watch it. And then what? Oh my god, he picked the Holocaust movie. I didn't think he would go that far. I mean, I knew Jani would he warned me that it was gonna be a real unpleasant experience. But I thought that was in a kind of like, pretentious, a Serbian film kind of fucked up kind of way. Not a shatters you as a human being a sort of experience. Mm hmm. Just a first, the first word I have in my notes is insufferable. Yeah, this was this is a tough movie. And that's here's the thing, too. It was just a little fun fact. There are plenty of there's plenty of interview footage with the director ml klimov. out there. And in his interviews, he said he wanted to make a very realistic depiction of what this experience was, and he knew that it would be difficult for people to watch and he wasn't trying to make a film that was easy to watch because the experience was anything but digestible. You know, we're talking about the Holocaust we're talking about and we'll mention this later on people being entire villages, 628 villages in Belarus being burned to the ground with their inhabitants inside of them. What else do you do with that? It's it's a story you have to tell and if you want to show how the atrocity of war is something so overpowering, so destructive that human beings can't continue to participate in it. Then you have to show it for what it really He is and he didn't back down and the film was was far from a financial success in the United States at the time. But I believe it's it's gone down in history is probably one of the greatest war films ever made, well, yani, like that director, I will also not back down, I will not back down from my jokes. And from my comedy, okay, but every you know, just remember every joke you make, you're just dropping further and further down that rung. And at the bottom of it, that's hell, that's where you wound up. I don't believe in hell. But even if I did, Joe, come and see just takes you further. It's further and further into the descent, as opposed to the ascent, which was another really great anti war film directed by Okay, you can now clean mobs wife, Marissa shipibo, which we might watch, because I think you would have an even harder time with it. Also Russian lady directors, not a lot of them out there, especially during the Soviet Union era. So I think I can't wait. We're gonna go with that one at some point. Okay, Jani. So I'm drinking coffee. Right now, I'm not drinking green tea. But my room is a mess. And I have a green tea quote on the ground that I can pick up. I have no idea what it says. So I want to give you the choice. And this is me not backing down from a comedy, whatever this is going to be. I can either pick my random Yogi green tea quote, or I have two fortune cookie quotes on the ground, a red one and blue one. Which one of these three options do you want me to pick out? Well, um, it really just depends on whichever ones you can scrape up off the floor entirely intact, because I'm sure your floor is just disgustingly sticky. But let's go with the fortune cookies because I wouldn't be sticky. Oh, I don't know. You just you look like the kind of guy who'd have sticky floors. Anyway. Okay, red one or blue one? I'll take the I'll take the blue pill blue one. Oh, no, it's like, it's just, it's probably humorously appropriate for this episode. Okay, so listeners I just picked up this quote from this is, this is the yogi green tea Chinese fortune cookie quote. And God knows this is actually very appropriate for the movie. In a really weird way. I'm hearing it. I knew it. quote is dance like nobody is watching. Well, yeah, that's um, that's more that's more appropriate than I guess anything else. might possibly have been, folks. Yeah. Cuz listeners say, you know, there is one scene I want to say in the first half of the movie. Where so it's the main character and this other girl and while she's What? fully aura is the name of the protagonist? latia is the name of this young woman he's referring I'm never gonna get this right. Anyways, the young woman she's dancing on this case, and it's a very surrealist David Lynch esque moment that super creepy and she's dancing like nobody's watching. I mean, technically the guys watching but really think about nobody's watching because nobody cares. Anyways, zinger Jani. Oh, pot summarize all my neighbors. All my neighbors came into my into my apartment to laugh with me it at that joke. That was really funny. Okay, let's get on this summer as well. It's your turn. Yeah. And as Matthew said, you had a couple of really? I have. I was born me. I have some Bangor's. Guys, I have some great plot summaries for you. So what regale me with the droll pneus of your of your of your say it just for concise. Oh. So first time listeners. What we like to do is the person who didn't shows the film, The opposing party or disinterested party, so to speak, this affected the right to plot summary of real real quick snippet elevator pitch that essentially marks the movie. So just know that's what you're getting. I need I just need to say that. Like I need to preface that before every joke I make like, Okay, I'm gonna make a joke. And this is why it's part of our podcast. It just again, you put me in a really fucking difficult position. I know and that's why I thought it was a great choice. I also after I've watched this movie, I texted Johnny, you know, we're doing a comedy podcast right? Like I did, you're not aware of that. Anyways, a plot so I got three of them. Let's hear the worst one first. I want to go in order on on his quest to find some milk. A young boy accidentally breaks the stock of his gun and must find the stitching to patch it back up. Really oversimplifying the plot there. But yeah, those things technically happen, folks. what's what's the second one? It gets worse and worse. By the way. A young boy learns that being a model for a photograph isn't all it's cracked up to be. That's not right. That's so that's so bad. But yeah, it's he's not wrong. That happens. It happens multiple times in the run time. This might be the worst. Just do it. Just do it. The Adventures of the unluckiest boy in the world. so unlucky. If you cross his path, you're probably gonna die. Not even the cows are safe. You know? Oh, that's, that's basically this movie. Like if you run into the main character, he's gonna make it out. He's gonna be okay. But like you, I, your screw it. I'm sorry. Hey, other people made it out. kasasa made it out. I'm assuming glossa did the the commander of the partisans a lot of the partisan kind of very ends at the very end? Yeah. Because as I say, Russia already glosser survived for all we know. Technically speaking, I mean, Jesus. Anyways, what? Do you want to give a plot summaries want to get into the likes? I don't know. Oh, here's what happens. A young Belarusian boy finds a gun and joins the partisans. In 1943, Bella brucea, Germany occupied Bella Russia. And as the partisan company that he's joining is leaving off leaving camp for a see she's left behind. And Germany. Germans, meanwhile, attack the camp and the surrounding areas. And he's just tossed on the breeze from one situation to the next as they the the Germans I mean, carry out their plan of Belarus and extermination in the region. And throughout the course of the film, you've noticed him just turning from turn from this 14 year old, you know, ruddy cheeked, blond haired boy into this progeria, AK wrinkled miserable young man, it's it's very difficult to watch raise his hair in the court over the course of four days the horse he he witnesses graze his hair now is only over four days, more or less. Yeah, something like that. It feels like I mean, once once he's stuck once he gets to like the partisan camp and all that happens, yeah, it's it's something in the neighborhood of maybe four days, but at the most like a week, it makes sense. It just feels like forever, you know? Oh, I've I think it felt like forever to a lot of people a lot of the characters in that film in certain areas. All right, so Jani. What do you love so much about this movie? What do you like about it? Okay, so I think I put together like the three things I liked the most. I watched it again. And I found myself like making notes of the things that I really liked. And they all fell into like three categories. First of all, obviously, the directions amazing. The cinematography is fantastic. The acting is just out of this world, good. Summertime, especially for No, you're very wrong. The acting like I said, out of this world, good, especially because this kid the main character was a non actor before this film. But there were three I think, techniques, while two techniques and like one element of the film that I really liked. And the first one that I just absolutely loved, was the visual foreshadowing that occurs throughout the film. Now see, every time that the Germans are about to attack, or there's some sort of atrocity committed, the viewer sees the appearance of what's called a focke Wulf 189, which is a tactical, a German tactical recon plane, just flying through the air kind of as this harbinger of destruction. I think you see it four times throughout the first time you see it is when the plane spots the main character flee order in his friend finding a gun so he can join the partisans, which also brings about the essentially the massacre of his entire city because of his entire village because the Germans track them down and kill his family and most of his neighbors while he's in like the first I think 24 or 48 hours that he's left to join the partisans. The second time I believe it happens before. Oh, man, I'm blanking on it. Well, I know the next time I remember was that there, he's gone off. He's escaped. He's realized his village was massacred. He goes off to join like another subset of the partisans and survivors from his village and surrounding villages. And they see the flock wolf flying overhead after two of their scout party he's in a he's in a party of four. That's scouting for food foxhole shows up after two of them been blown up by a landmine. And what follows immediately after that is he and the remaining guy go to get a cow and the cow and the main character main character, his partner, their uncle rubish, or something? I think that's this name are both shot by guess what Shawn? I don't know if you knew this live rounds. The there's a scene where Yeah, the main character flee order and rubish were had stolen a cow that were they were trying to take back to all the survivors. And they're all two of them are suddenly the cow when rubbish are gunned down by what are live rounds that were being fired less than I think 10 centimeters above the main character's head, you see the foc wolf a few more times, every time it happens, some atrocity comes up to other things that really stand out when free otter is about is leaving his village. To join the partisans, we see the mother, his mother and his sisters following him down the road on their land as as he's being driven away in a cart. And right behind them is the barn that we see them in front of the next time we see them possibly because the next time we see them fleoa and galusha are running away out of the village and glossa turns around and sees his just a mass of corpses gunned down outside the very same bar barn. And then the last thing was there. There's a sequence that's like 45 minutes long or 40 minutes long, we're an entire Belarusians city is massacred by being burned alive in a church. But before that a flare is shot into one of the the spire or the the bell tower windows. And a guy who's in there is like desperately trying to put it out. It's just there's so much achieved by so little in this film. And it's something that's just honestly, to me, unparalleled. I don't know if I've seen anything that that was able to accomplish what it did. But Shawn, yeah, I think you want to say something about the live rounds. Yeah, I want to say something because I don't know what's more horrifying, this movie. or letting Yani ramble on about any topic on this podcast. Because when I you know, I'm trying to gather my thoughts on my own thing. And then Yani, just like it's so hard to focus and pay attention. So listeners, I'm sorry, I know you tuned in for a comedy podcast and got that this incoherent kind of like, I like this. I like that. It's kind of like rambling on about some points without actually getting to a point. So I'm just going to actually say, a point that I liked. And then talk about that, as opposed to all the fuck Wolf and whatever. Anyways, focke Wulf 189. It's a very important element of the story. But you didn't even really say why it was important. But anyways, I said that at the very beginning, what I really liked was the scale of this film. It's really on spying. As you said, Before, I haven't really seen anything like this, I would argue we have, but it's just so seldomly done that so the comparisons I would give are the good, the bad, and the ugly, or, and I haven't, I could be wrong about this, because I haven't seen in a long time, but Apocalypse Now. So both those movies, you have characters who are essentially stumbling through wars, and encountering almost vignettes of situations. And while they're doing so, they're going through large scale conflicts and insane shit is happening around them. And it's something that you watch it and it's just like I said, awe inspiring both and it's gravity well, and it's gravity but it's just it's not something that you go Oh, man, I love this. You It's horrifying. I mean, even in the good, the bad, the ugly, the scale of the war is horrifying to a degree and the scale of everything going on is horrifying. That being said, it still doesn't necessarily the scale is apropos but the the terror doesn't hold a candle to this film. Because the atrocities committed on screen is just a huge can't believe that they would have done this on a on a movie. I mean, you can't you don't you struggle to believe that other humans could have done this to you Human beings to see the things that happen that it amazes you to learn that they're true. And I will speak to that right now. But then get to my point again, just speak to that after watching this movie, I kind of just went, Wow, as much as I hate a lot of things going on right now, people can be so much worse, this could be a lot worse. That being said, if we're not careful, we can fall into that. So we have to make sure we don't fucking do that. I made that same observation this time around, too. We have these cough, Yo, I'm not your fucking twin. Get the fuck out. Yeah, I'm way too good looking to be related to you know, I just don't want you I, you know, if we were in this situation together, you'd be the cow, I would still I'd still partner with you. Because I think you could live off the land better than me. But I would like use you as like a bullet sponge. You know, I would make sure that you know, like in the this will segue into my point. So early on. One of the first things that really showed me the scale, and just Holy shitness of this movie was the maybe they've been the main boy and the girl are in the forest. And then the forest gets shot up, and the paratroopers are going down. And like they're literally shooting up these trees. I mean, this whole fucking forest is being cleared. It's just explosives going off everywhere. It's like, I've never seen that before. I mean, you see, explosions go off. But you kind of tell yourself, Well, those explosions. I mean, they calculate, they figured that out that was a set or something, you know, this is like straight up a forest being cleared. And it's insane. I had it and blew me away. So you got that guy. So, but that's going off of my point, which is like the scale of this, but also like that segment later on with the town, which is easily the best 40 minutes or so of this movie. I won't disagree. No, I think it's Yeah, I mean, I think the whole movie was leading to that. I mean, there were other strong moments, but the whole thing was leading to that anyways. Yeah, I mean, even like, some of the smaller things like going on, this is gonna sound I'm looking at this in a technical way. And I don't want to sound like I don't want to use the word sadistic but cruel, because it's such a cruel aspect. It's a cruel and terrible scene. But I'm admiring on a technical level. So I just want you to understand I'm not trying to what's the word? overlook that glorify? Yeah, I mean, it's basically the the scene when the church is being burnt down. And then, which, again, is horrific. But the German soldier is coming down from it, and you know, jumping off, and it's like, this guy is literally on top of fire right now. And he if they didn't turn the scene out, right, he could have easily have died. And I couldn't believe that they did that. Not only does he what he does, he comes out of the bell tower opening, he slides down the roof. Yeah, he drops like eight feet to the ground, lands on his feet and runs off on the same shot. Yeah. And it's like, it's not fake. It's all real. I mean, I guess it's to be expected when your movie literally uses live rounds, the shoot above actors? I mean, what the fuck? Yeah, it's messed up. That's the thing I was thinking about, like coming out of this is, sometimes art demands that if you want to express something, really capture the visceral nature of something, you have to actually do it, you have to actually do it on film, you have to capture it and show it to people to show them how horrific it is. You sometimes have to shoot a cow on screen, fire, live ammunition over your actors, and burn in while destroying entire forests and burn entire homes to the ground. I mean, I think it's so case by case dependent, but how else would you have achieved it? I guess that's the real thing. Like I'm wondering is like watching everything I did, how else could they have done it? I can't tell you because I would. I would never make a movie like this. I would never have an interest. I can't say I mean, I will say I want to I want to give to one CounterPoint. And that's kind of a disagreement, but also one that supports what you're saying. So the first one, the counter, is we argued in an earlier episode about child actors and basically abusing them like tricking them doing stuff. I don't know the exact age of this actor, but he was 14. He was 14. Yeah. So I forgot what Episode we were arguing but we talked a little about the fall. And this little girl actor who Bay essentially tricked into believing what was going on in the movie was real. That being said, it was it feels like such a fucking white lie compared to this. Where do you know Did I tell you that they had to hypnotize the main the the protect the main act tried to hypnotize and they couldn't write that's what it said they tried to and they couldn't experience anything as he was, it's just like, it's really hard for you, it's really hard to justify, oh, sometimes you got to put it in the effort when like, you're literally giving a kid PTSD from filming this, I don't know how you go early, just like fires after years after though he was interviewed and confirm that he didn't like have any sort of mental health issues. Sure. But it's just I don't know, how you can really live with that are genuine, I doing that as support, the point in support is you're gonna find this a weird support, but it's the same line train of thinking, where with action movies, a lot of times you have. So I'm specifically thinking about Hong Kong action like Jackie Chan in particular, where they have to put in this effort that to degree you can argue is kind of unethical. And I can't really argue because you know, people are getting hurt, they're doing a lot of shit. But the result of that is some of the finest filmmaking I've ever seen. I mean, I was just watching Operation Condor for the first time the other day. And that was when Jackie Chan was at his height in the early 90s. And the stunts that he does are so fucking mind blowing. But it's something where you literally can't do it here. Because it's an ethical problem, because you can't do those stunts and not have people get hurt. So it's just like, it's brilliant. That was captured on film. And I'm thankful that it was and it's important that was about the same time. It brings you in this quandary of like, is this justified to have done for the art of it? Is it worth it? And you know, I want to say a message. Yeah, outside this film has a stronger message. Yes, than entertaining Jackie Chan film, but I still think the same kind of idea is present. Does that make sense? No, no, you're right. And I'm totally like, I'm kind of on the fence about it, too. I'm not crazy about seeing an animal get shot on film. I'm not crazy about seeing animals get harmed at all. I'm not really into that. They probably did. But I'm not into actors like being pulled into dangerous situations either. But on the other end, I asked myself if they had taken these things out or written around it, would it have been as effective as a message as it was? And ultimately, the answer I come to is no, I would not have here's the thing. I watch this and I cry more times watching it than I do with Lord of the Rings Return of the King. So what a crybaby Yana You're such a fucking All right, baby. I'm a crier. I cried more during you got mail. Well, okay, that's that is just insane. But if you I don't think a better testament against war out there exists at least in the in the sphere of cinema. I couldn't find one. I like war films a lot. Because I think they showcase the extremes of human the extreme capacity humans have for for horror and sympathy, empathy. And, obviously, I'm not into war, and nobody should be but if anyone I if anyone wants to see something that conveys that message, that anti war, that anti violence message better than anything else, I would show them come and see. I agree and like, God, we're getting, we're like, off track on a structure and I think it's good that we are but it doesn't really matter. Because we're not gonna have any dislikes. Are we? We're gonna have zero let me let me finish. Not many. Let me shut Shut the fuck up. Okay, sorry. Again, listeners. I'm sorry. There's a comedy podcast in case you weren't aware. But the thing that I was thinking about and this is I don't want to get into it too much publicly, to be honest with you. But something that is important to think about going off of something we're touching upon earlier, is yes, this is a very much an anti war movie. But with everything going on in America right now. I do wonder because I have I have people I know who support some very vile movements going on in America right now. And I am curious if I showed them this movie, if it would sway their opinion at all? And I honestly do not think it would I just I think they would they would look at it as some kind of propaganda, or they just wouldn't believe it. And then it just makes me question, the importance of its message to some degree, you know, it's just like, it is important, but, you know, it's like this, my roommate, and I watched the wire a couple months ago. And it's, that is a sensational piece of television. And while it's very different from this movie, I think it is on a similar wavelength of trying to accurately depict horrors going on in the world, and also be a warning message. That the same time even the Creator, David Simon said, you know, this is an I'm trying to be faithful to what's going on in the world right now, in that case, I want to say West Baltimore at that time. So in this case, the film is trying to depict Bella rousse. And a very accurate depiction of that time, because it is the director had said, all this stuff is taken from real life, there are survivors who said, every account of what happened and this may be but going back to the wire, David Simon said, I just don't think there's going to change anything. And I do question you know, you can we can say, Oh, it's important, this message got out there. But then I questioned but to what extent does that even matter? I mean, it's I don't know, maybe that's why I like more fun movies because there's you don't need it. For me movies are meant to lift me up. Or, you know, if I'm going to question something, sure, that's good. But I don't want to go in with the notion that it's truly going to change a heart or a mind or perspective. I mean, it's pretty rare. But getting to my next point, get into a dislikes because because you thought you thought I was like something you thought I you thought there was going to be new no dislikes. But you're let's tell me one more on a wall. You think I have one dislike you think I have one dislike you dump all your flesh? I have one new dump bed. Well, you're right, you dope. Just like just like what a Fiore's companions, you know, flea aura flea? Oh, I don't. I told you, I was gonna get it wrong. I told you. Just like one of his companions. You just walked out there and you you just didn't know what was coming for you. Bad, bad joke. Bad. He's talking about what I about an instance I mentioned earlier, where in two men accidentally stepped on land mines and died were blown apart. That was a land I thought the bomb came from the plane, they stepped on the sign that said mine in which is mine. In German? No, I didn't know that anyways, dislike, I just don't like the I liked everything going on around the main boy. But I didn't like him, I thought, because he's just a vehicle to showcase everything else at the end of the day. And there's a symbolism to him in showing the transformation of him as an eager young lad to get into a war. And then overnight, basically transform into showing the horrors of war, right. That works well. But thing as a character himself, there's not really much to, there's not much there. Besides that symbolism. And it's a little frustrating, and I don't really, I had a hard time truly caring for him because of that. Because it's even like a lot of like the, again, what we were talking about before the main scene of this movie that go into that one town and everything that they have to deal with. That boy is basically in the background the entire time. He's, he's part of it, but he's not really part of it. You know? He's No, well, I'll argue that he's being pushed around, and he does have to make some decisions. And he makes a very heartbreaking decision in the midst of it. What I'm talking about folks is when the entire town is forced into a church, and then one of the German officers comes to a window when says leave the children and you can come out and Nobody leaves because they don't want to abandon their children in their flee order is one of maybe two people who gets out of that building, because they're the first one. He's the first one. And he I don't know if he knew he was doing it at the time, but he probably had suspicions that he was abandoning all those people to die instead of dying with them. And man, how do you make that decision to to be the only one To survive. I mean, did you read? I will say that that was the real life story is even worse. Did you read what the doctor said? No, there's, yeah, it was okay. The real story was that it was, it was adapted from this man's experience who was in the church. He heard that he could leave if he left behind his children. And he did he left behind like what three or four kids and his wife. And it's just like, Fuck, I can't I can't even fathom that I can't I can't even the the emotional torment you have to go through one to get out of there and to to survive afterwards, every day waking up knowing what you did. And you can't even the other thing is you can't judge a person necessarily for doing that. Because I don't know, I could never do that. In that position. I could never make a choice. I don't even I can't even say anything about it. It's just heartbreaking thinking about the reality that that man had to face. I mean, but it's like, Yeah, I love them. And also, I can't imagine he ever forgave himself. I don't know how you possibly could. doubtful. Yeah. Huh? Yeah, no, you're right. He is a podcast, by the way. He's he is you're not wrong of the main character of Liotta, he's this idealistic young boy who wants to join the war and be a part of the effort to overcome the Germans, which seemed to him like just this almost an effective, almost not harmful force that kind of exists outside of him right now, he's not even aware of like the horrors that they're actually capable of it when he's collected by his recruiters to be taken back to the camp, they tell his mother that the partisan camp is like summer camp, more or less. And so he he has no idea really what's in store for him. And I think that to have an analogue out there, that doesn't necessarily represent one specific type of person. But this general idea of what the young participant in war is going in with is is is necessary. And so maybe we don't get understood it. Yeah, it's hard. Yeah, you want more to attach to. But I think this all goes back to the scale, just the massive size of the story, and its impact what it was trying to achieve, kind of out kind of outweighed the necessity for a super important protagonist. But he has the thing is he has an arc. That's the other thing. What we're not talking about is at the end, after the partisans, have ambushed the Germans who just destroyed that city. After the partisans ambush the Germans and execute the survivors. we oughta is left looking at this poster of Hitler, and he begins shooting it. And as he's shooting it, this montage of footage of film reels, starts playing backwards detailing Hitler's life and it goes all the way back to his youth and feel or keep shooting it and shooting it until it stops at Hitler as a baby. And he makes the active decision not to do it not to shoot when he thinks of Hitler as a child. I will say, it's one of those moments where you watch this whole fucking movie. And you go, man, it can't get any worse. Like you can't get any worse than everything else we've seen. And then the movie goes, You want some Holocaust footage? You want the actual Holocaust footage? You want like, you thought the other stuff was fucked up. We thought we were just whistling Dixie? Yeah, we're gonna show you the most horrific images you will ever see in your life, just in case you thought only in case you worked for in the prior two hours, here's what actually happened. And that is as it breaks your heart. It's It's It's heartbreaking. But it's uplifting. I think at its final moment when he decides not to take that shot when he makes the decision, at least emotionally, to be better to not act in the same way that Hitler and the Germans were at that in that time at that place. That he can break the cycle. I have to be honest with you. I didn't notice it. I didn't notice that I overlooked that moment. You know, I'd go back and watch it. It's I'm not going back to watch that scene. There's no way in the world. I'm going back to be like, Oh, let me let me watch the scene where he doesn't kill baby. So and then I have to watch the whole thing over again. What what kind of status Do you think I am? Yani putting me through hell twice. God Oh, well, I guess I'm just more of Maybe I am just a sadist who knows I really enjoy ourselves. I like crossbow folk. I want you to think about this real quick, right? So Gandhi said that he watched this movie in the last couple months, and then said, I love this thing so much. I want to rewatch it for the podcast, where you get off Yani. Like, is this this way? Like, I just gotta, I gotta rewatch it every couple months. You know? Like, it's just, it's my thing. And then people go, Wait, what? What, what? This is one of those. Here's the thing. There are movies that you watch in your life that you go, that was great, but it was so horrifying. I never want to watch that. Again. This is one of those movies. So I can't I don't know why you'd ever want to rewatch this. What is wrong with you? It's like an emotional rinse. You know, you just you stand under it. Okay, I think I've turned on. I think it just washes you out. I don't think you realize what you just said. I want you to think I want you to think about what you just said. You stand under the stand under and you turn out No, not that. You call it an emotional rents. You call it a rinse. Please don't use Prince. What do you mean? I don't rinse. I'm not following. You're gonna rinse when you're referencing the Holocaust. Okay, what the fuck? Oh, no. Oh, no. I take that back. Um, yeah, I'm leaving that. I'm sorry, everyone. I'm leaving that in tears, because I want Jani to know. He tried to come at me. He's trying to come at me. And he's the one who walked in his own shit. He fell into his own shit and warrants his whole face. Yes. backup. Yeah. So you want to use any other terminology? No, I'm just let's just move on from this analogy. Now, there's another thing that I really loved. And it has to do with the cinematography is that utilizes the technique of fourthwall breaks a lot. With its main characters. Its mate with its main characters, looking into the camera, as if they're addressing the audience, or at least, whatever is on the other end, in a way that's really surreal and disorienting. And it happens. It's difficult to express, you know why they make why ml or lm made the decisions to go with fourthwall breaks at those moments, but I feel like it was every time a character looked into the camera, they were filled to the brim with just this immense perplexing emotion that they couldn't express to another human being and maybe seeing them from any other angle, but dead on wouldn't make the viewing experience somehow lesser for it. But I mean, like, look at it every time it happens, like for instance, the first one of the first times when we see glasha. And she's just met with liotta and she's overcome with this indescribable emotion, this sorrow that the person she's loved with the partisan commander has left and she, she's in love with him, but she's gone. And she really just doesn't know how to handle herself. Flee or at one point, after he realizes his family is dead in mortification, he just grips his head, like as hard as he can and looks into the camera as he's disassembling in front of you. I mean, every time it happens, whether he's like about to be he thinks he's about to be killed. Shawn was talking about this one moment when he's having his photo taken. This is by the way in front of the church that's been burned that's being burned to the ground. And he's got like five Germans around him and a gun to his head. And he has no idea if he's actually going to die at that moment or not. Can we talk about that moment? Real quick, very powerful, very powerful. I I've never seen fourthwall brakes been being used so effectively. And I don't know if I ever will again. But Shawn, what's your take? Yeah, so I so I'll address what you first said, what the fourth wall breaks, I didn't really acknowledge it as fourth wall breaks. But as you say, it makes a lot of sense. And what I thought when I was watching is, you know, the cinematography as a hall is gorgeous throughout this movie. And those moments in particular, how he uses depth of field, how he uses the focus on the characters and the background, everything I'm like, this guy clearly has to come from being some kind of portrait photographer or something, his command of the camera, his knowledge is that's just how it looks. And it's very strong and smart and powerful. But anyways, I really want to talk about this photograph moment because it is the moment of the movie. It's the most important moment. You Know the whole thing is leading up to it after you get to it. So early on in the movie when things have not gone to shit, and everything still has some kind of hope, or at least as not become immensely bleak. When he joins up with the partisans, they take a photo and he's in a suit and everything. They're all very happy. They're all very excited. They're taking a group photo together. And it's actually a pretty sweet and nice scene. But then I actually liked that scene by itself. But when you get to the very end, and you have the literal contrast of that moment, so he's again, taking a photograph, but this is with the Nazis, and they're literally holding a gun to his head, right after they've burned down this church. What's Sorry, it's actually right after it's a wall, it's burning down its background. And I haven't had that suspense for our character's life and for quite some time, because dula generally do not know if they're just going to shoot him right there. And then like, it could, it could really go either way. And I was wrong out the editing. Yeah, I was really shocked that they didn't do it, I you really think it's going to happen and just just on a technical suspense level, it's brilliant, but just thematically and just, there's just so much going on. And it's such a strong, powerful moment, it's almost like they let him live as a just this sick reward for betraying his people for abandoning them. I guess, I don't know. I don't know. But it can also be like his, I almost felt like they didn't give a fuck, or they didn't care. That's the other thing. And what happens right after the picture is taken is they all walk away and he's just left there. They don't they take the gun away from his head, and they just, you know, filter around him and walk off screen. And he's left there kneeling until he collapses on the ground. And at one point later on, as they're all, as all the Germans are, are filing out of the city, one of them on a motorcycle stops by and kicks in, and he doesn't even move and then just drives off is just he's that meaningless to them. And the first time I watch it, I thought he was just going to, to lay there and then think thankfully, you hear some more, some more firepower going on in the background, and it cuts to the Germans just being again, being massacred or I don't know, it's it's a very, the whole thing is just so hard to watch. And I love it for it. But I don't want to say like, I'm glad these things happen, because I'm not glad at all. I'm not happy that any of these things are going on. There. You heard it, folks. I want to use that snippet. Jani is glad this happened. Great job. Jani. Not glad. Whatever you just said it your words, not mine. Yeah, yeah. I'm glad you you made note of that lag. And, like, and it's just this, this one scene, when fleoa and glasha. After the after the forest has been blown up for the otter and glasha. They go back to his village. And it's everything's pretty deserted. No one's around. They go to flee otters home with the intent to hide out there with his mother. And they go in, she's not there. But like there's still smoke coming out of the chimney and there's even food in the kitchen. They eat and he leaves and he goes to a well to their well, and when he looks down the reflection he sees isn't his own currently, at that time, when he looks into the well, what he sees is that like I use this word progeria AK that enhanced in age and experience version of himself from a few days later, it's looking back at back up at him almost like portentously and what that is is a an allusion to another really great anti Soviet anti war film, Ivan's Childhood but it's kind of like a response to that. Because in Ivan's Childhood, the main character Ivan looks into it. He has a dream about looking into the well and that dream is a reflection of all of of who he was before the the terrorism the monstrosity of war kind of eked its way into his life. And this is just it's an up ending of that. It's It's nothing else like it happens in the film before or after. And it's so isolated in and of itself. And if if you don't even notice it, if you're not paying attention, it's a blink and miss you miss it moment. Did you you Did you see it? I blinked and I missed it. But now that you say that, I guess what? I wasn't haunting what when I woke up this morning, I looked in the mirror and my hair was gray. And I was curious as to why but now I understand. I had to deal with this podcast. So doing this podcast episode. Have a knot or KS, but really it's like 30 years. Don't you could don't even compare doing a podcast with me to a Jetta. You piece of work. I'm not saying I'm not comparing it. I'm just saying you've aged me. That's what I'm saying. The frustration I experienced with you as age. You walk out of this film a more mature man, I don't have any complaints there. Do you have another thing that you're like, Shawn? I think you'd only mentioned to I mean, I talked about the scale of the fighting which I really liked. I talked about the photo which I really liked. Yeah. And that we dabble on this but there's like I said, the cinematography is fantastic. Also, speaking to that, that there's a lot of tracking shots and they all look really beautiful though. Just a wide diversity of cinematography in here too. You have long tracking shots you have like very quick one off shots, especially during the during the Holocaust sequence. And I just want to say like, the other week when I was shitting on Terrence Malick cinematography and you think I'm crazy, I still no good cinematography when I see it. This is really good cinematography that Terrence Malick. Badlands was not It was so mediocre, it was better. I'll agree this was better. Granted, I don't think it could have existed without the influence of Andre Tarkovsky. But here's the thing also, here's the thing. Also, we could talk about the cinematography in a bit, but I don't understand with Kanye, you know, we try and once we pick a film kind of go off of that other film, to fuck with the other one, right? This would have been such a better pick right after the general instead of Bloodsport, how did you watch Bloodsport and go? What? You know what I'm gonna pick next Come and see. I just feel like this is so much a natural segue from the general what is another large scale war film? Now that one's a comedy, but you have the Confederate ideology. And I'm like, I don't know, bro. I felt like it would have worked a lot better. But I'm not a moron. When I take me off. You're really ticked me off by making me watch Bloodsport. So I wanted to get you something I wanted to get back at you. Get back on you in only the way I could. Not in the way that I'd make you watch something you hate it. But I'd make you watch something you liked. But you hated how much you'd liked it. Alright, yeah. So I'm sure there's other things you want to say about the cinematography? What do you want to say? Oh, just you know, as I was saying before it the cinematography always served the emotional pacing of the film Never once did anything seem out of place or the techniques that were being utilized seem inauthentic to the events into the emotions. Like I like I said, there were some very long tracking shots going on. Very still shots, there were handheld shots. I mean, at one point when, when fleoa and rubbish are stealing the cow, the entire sequence there is shown in first person Point of View from rubish his point of view, not even fleoa does, you see rubbish, stealing the cow from the owner, forcing him like to roll around in the muck with his gun, and then then running out away from the farm. And it's it none of it seems out of place. It all seems like it should be there. And I can't exactly tell you why in that particular instance. It couldn't be but what if it was, you know what it should have been, it should have been the POV of the cow. Imagine if they did the POV of that cow. Now that would be okay if I have one major complaint of this movie, it should have been the entire movie should have been the POV of a cow. Same same story same movie, the whole thing happens the same way it says a POV of a cow that'd be something anyways, I and if I remember correctly the other thing about the cinematography because we also forget like film grain, the type of film that was being used at the time also affected the the the the visual and therefore the message of the film but lm and the cinematographer I believe but a person by the name of Rodionov they elected to use I think higher speed film grains one because the lighting was almost entirely natural during the entire production and to to give the film a much darker appearance even in daylight. Did you notice that like even when you were seeing things taking taught taking place during the day, it seemed dark the whole time except for like that sequence after the after the The forest is bombed, I bet but visually it was just just dark. All of the nighttime stuff is brilliant. Everything indoors with low light Just just very, very sharp and it's hard talking about it. Oh, yeah, it's hard talking about this movie. Is it hard talking about this movie? The movie we have to we, we have a podcast where all we do is talk about a movie. And you're saying it's hard to talk about the movie you chose. It's hard talking about it. Well, it's also here's the other thing, and this also ties into the sound design. It's all very hyper realistic, but at the same time surrealistic. I mean, the other thing is, like the cinematography and the sound design aren't even at pointedly so they're not consistent. There are continuity errors with the way that characters are blocked and where they are and in time and things that they're hearing. Like for instance, there's this mother who escapes the burning church, she attempts to take her child with her, she's brought down and the child is very unceremoniously just thrown back into the window, which is God difficult part to watch. But this woman is later she's later gang raped by the German officers and you see Johnny thrown into a moving truck, and Germans just like straggling in there to anyways The next time you see her she's it's after the partisans of ambush the Germans and she's walking in and this coat and she has been brought her face has just been brutalized and she's got blood streaming down her legs and she's blowing on a whistle you recognize that? That was a whistle that one of the other German officers the one wearing the tank top and the shorts was playing when they first started rounding rounding up all the Bella ruffians in the village and it drops out of her mouth the whistle drops out of her mouth yet after the the scene continues past her you continue to hear that whistle sound it resonates, it just reverberates into other scene into into the last scene. And it's so eerie and so upsetting because it's not how it should be. There's just it's it's taking what is supposed to be acceptable and slightly twisting it. And as humans I think we're able to have we're able to tell when something is just off. You know, I think that's why a lot of VFX to us don't seem real or don't seem realistic. Because we can tell things are like just a little bit off like when the lighting is just not right. It's just like Tom Hanks in the Polar Express. Just not right, just a little bit off it disengages us in those instances but with this it unsettles us. Yeah. Okay. And they pick that the thing is, I picked that actress because she looked a lot like glossa she was cast for the reason that she and Gloucester shared like some desktop guasha No, it's not glasha I thought guasha the, I could have snow. It's not I don't fucking know. Anyways, I honestly I dislike nothing. So if you have any other Okay, like, here, here's my dislikes. Here's my dislikes. Like, well, I'm gonna start with something was what what? Okay, I'm gonna real quick get this first one out of the way, because we talked about it earlier. And I don't want to harp on the point. But the fact that the main character is kind of a blank slate, which I understand why he is. But because of that, I had a hard time connecting with his struggles and the story, the spy, everything going on. And I, you know, I don't want to sound cruel hearted, but I just didn't have the emotional connection that I felt like the film intended or was wanting to elicit from me, I still found it horrifying and insane. But I didn't cry, to be honest with you. And I feel like part of that is honestly just from the filmmaking technique of being able to connect with a character where it's like it. This was literally a five minute documentary piece, and you told me all this stuff happened. I mean, even the real life story that we were just talking about the guy banning his family, I got a bit more choked up by thinking about that, than actually watching this movie. Because that's real. Like, and I'd seen this movie isn't based off of reality, but the movies not real, you know. So there is that disconnect. Anyways, keep going. So getting that out of the way. The one thing I besides that another thing I really disliked is the sound design, which I know you're going to fight for. I didn't like it because I didn't like the surrealist aspect of this movie. It feels very lynchin to a degree and as we've established before, I'm not into lunch. I don't like David Lynch, and not saying this is necessarily trying to be David Lynch. But that dancing scene, for example that we talked about earlier. feels like it's a rip right out of a David Lynch movie, and I don't like it. I don't like Kids laughing. I don't like the weird sound joint. I don't like the weird sound that is going. I don't like weird sound design choices that are made specifically in regards to his laughing moans and whatever the fuck. It just feels off and weird and I know that's the intent. But I really didn't care for it. It's horrifying. It's like It's like, I just watched the Texas Chainsaw Massacre last night movies. Good. Well, it's not I have some like, I have some narrative like problems with the second half. But the first half is really good. Yeah. Are you kidding me? Scary about God, more sound design is extremely unsettling. It's extremely unsettling, especially because you hear like whenever you see leatherface, you hear pig squealing but there are no pigs anywhere. And I think that's great. And that's something that horror a technique that horror utilizes orally, they'll introduce sounds that are non diegetic, inauthentic to the to the setting or the location. And like I said, humans we are very perceptible. We can tell when something's like slightly off. And when it is, if it's like you're coming to us in just the right way, it can disturb us, we can find it horrifying, and I think come and see is a more effective horror film, honestly, than Texas Chainsaw Massacre is in my opinion, or like most horror films, because there's this real disconnect with me between the events that I'm seeing, and what I know is reality. They don't horrify me, they might be a little bit scary, but I think there's a really big there's an ocean between a horror and fright. And come and see is a horrifying film, part of that aura, I guess, is generated by that off kilter sound design. And even when it's like not at its most lynchin distortion. I mean, there's this point, like, like we were talking about where a forest is destroyed, it's bombed the partisan campus destroyed. And after the bombs go off, the main character Florida is shell shocked. And there's like this was a low low pass put on his voice. And it's very, it's like he's he's a frog rebutting, he's calling out to gloss and it's like, shot glass shop, trying to recreate what he's actually able to hear in his ears as as a byproduct of the bombs. Yeah, it's, it's not for everyone. I get that. But I think it was incredibly effective. And if it were missing, I think you'd be if the sound design were more normal, a little less experimental, you would be missing out a lot on the emotional and psychological impact. I get what you're saying. I guess that's what you saw. You know, fight or flight. I understand that I just didn't care for it. Kind of bugged me throughout the whole movie. But whatever. Anything else you want to say before we wrap this up? Well, you know, I think I've gushed enough about it. It's it's troubling. It's hard to accept this No. Choice is the worst word choices throughout this podcast you want you want to take that back you don't you want to what you love this movie, you want to gush about it. You I mean like gushing about it. I want to gush about how much it makes me feel about the questions and what's on my mind, you know, gosh, has multiple meanings, right? I want to load it. There you go. I want to Yes, I want to pour adulation upon it. Are you happy? It's very it's a very effective piece of cinema. It's probably one of the most effective I've ever encountered. And I am a little bit sad because I mean, I waited long enough to see it but now the rest of my life is in front of me and I don't know if I'm gonna find something like this again. God I pray I don't find something like this again. I want to see it as many times as I can. Maybe not what's wrong with you? Wait, wait, like some people have the view. It reminds you of the of the potential of filmmaking you know what it can achieve. If you and a group of people work together hard enough to convey the right message. This is the sort of thing you can generate. Here's the thing, some people you know, like you go on Netflix, so people have the office as their go to what am I gonna watch when I don't have anything else to watch? You're telling me Come and see is the movie that you just go to constantly that you're like, you know, what should I watch? say, Oh, I know, come and see. Well, no, actually, that's Dewey Cox. But this is definitely there are a handful of films. I've told you that I watch every year. Do we call this I've already seen three times this year. I did watch full monty every year. And I'm probably going to see this one every year to a handful of others out there as well. If you did a double feature, so If you're programming a double feature, and you're gonna do the double feature is walk hard to Dewey Cox story and come and see which order would you do it? Which one? Which one would be first and which one would be second? Um, I think I think I think you'd have to watch Dewey Cox after what you need it. You need some time to breathe. And some laughs would help. See, here's what I think you should do. I think doing because I'm a real, I'm a real sadist so I can throw people off first, and then people will be like that, man, there's a there's a great experience, you know, my day can't get my day is great was overflowing with examples of evil, but that is far more wicked. You can't say that's more wicked than this. You can't You can't possibly Shawn. It's chose I can't say. Yeah. My final thoughts is a very well made movie for the most part. Despite some of the reservations I made, even though I was super glum for the most part about it. The reservations I did have, which I mentioned are a big deal to me, even if we didn't talk about a whole lot. So you know, great movie never gonna watch again, or at least don't intend on watching. Unless I have a specific reason to. I'll just give a rating. So Yani, you know how you do your calculations in your decimal points. Goodness, no, I don't think we ever do a decimal point we always do decimal points you always bitch about Oh, have you ever done decimal points and all that shit listeners, you know, you can back me up on that. Anyways, I'm not gonna do a decimal point. But what I am going to do is what did I give Bloodsport? Last week? A seven out of 10 right yeah, that's all criminal underrating then I want to give this one a seven out of 10 what I'm putting it you got a seven you give us a you give diving bell and the butterfly our higher rating than this. Do you want me to burn down Bell and butterfly to 6.5 you really like diving bell? I didn't I don't get your I don't I don't understand nonsensical it does. I don't understand. He said I don't understand how you say it was like I like this movie. I love this movie. They're heartbreaking instead. I don't know what there is to like about it that you can have an emotional connection to it. But you can't say like it has to do it. I like having my heart ripped apart and and slapped and shit I'll show you what is wrong. Mary's a seven. Seven you can criticize my rating, but to use the word like is wrong anyways, I only picking a seven to fuck with you. Because I hate you so much. I'm not going to tell you why I would actually rate it. I'm just saying I'm giving a seven out of 10 on this podcast. Cuz fuck you Jani you saw so I know. You'll give anything higher than any of your others. You know, I didn't mention, honestly, the first the first 40 minutes or so or, you know until really gets into it. It's not that it's okay. It's a bit of a slog to get to where it needs to go. When it gets to there. It's great. But before that, I'm like, oh, whatever. I know. I only picked that. It's not that interesting. But you know what? Seven out of 10 Fuck you. Fuck yourself. What do we watch? Let's end this. What do you what do we watch next week? Okay, yeah. Goodness gracious. Well, Jani. What my first thought after watching this movie. If I want to do a follow up. I should obviously do one of the Indiana Jones movies right you know punching Nazis feeling good about myself. Really good about you? And I know you're not the hugest Indiana Jones fan but I'm not like if I pick like Last Crusade What do you legitimately are like it? I'll find things like all niggle, you know, oh my god. I wasn't even actually this is going to be a segue into what I was actually going to pick but I was not actually going to pick any shows. Because I didn't think you would actually have that much shit on any job. If you pick Temple of rice obviously. Yeah, there's no Nazis in Templeton Why on earth would I pick temple Doom? That's not a good segue Indians. Oh my god. No. fucking piece of shit. Anyways, going on with my joke. I said no, not gonna do any Jones. What else can I pick? Oh, what about the movie Stalingrad, which is one of the cheesiest silliest war movies I've ever seen in my whole life. It's ridiculous. And unintentionally, so you would absolutely hate it. What I actually was going to pick has literally nothing to do with this movie, though. The reason why I'm picking it is because I really want to watch it again and it's about to expire on HBO max so it's an hour never kind of thing so Yani Call me crazy call me stupid maybe call me in love stupid cuz I love watching crazy stupid love Oh no you can't pick that one I like it. Oh Christ. Haha yeah I think ethic it's actually really nuanced in places right god damn good. Steve Carell is great. Emma. Emma Stone is acceptable. She's not really a huge component in the film, but yeah, I think it's really good. Suck it back. Fuck solid 7.1 is saying you got mail you like you got animals are allowed. No, I've never seen it but I really don't think I'd like it. very topical. I don't ever date it again. I don't fuck I was so convinced on that. I'm gonna have to, I'm gonna have to, we're gonna have to re record we're gonna have to or not going to re record I got to find a new one. I'm gonna have to find a new one and pick it because next week next week is going to be a surprise folks here Well, here's folks. I'm we're gonna add a as usual, I'll add a bit at the end where we discuss it where we discuss it. Now I will say what I can easily do but I'm not going to do is just pick Star Trek because I love that movie. I know Jani is not gonna like it and is also about to expire on HBO Max, but I will not. Because I've been picking too many Chris Pine movies. As much as I love the guy. We're that you've got a thing for the man. If I was shirt off frequently. If I was gay, I'd be gay for him. If Sure. Just like that episode, like that episode of 30 rock where Frank is gay for the delivery boy guy. I actually just his name is Jamie. I just watched it. So it's kind of a similar situation. I was gonna be gay for one guy be Chris Pine. Anyway, he's not gonna pick Star Trek and might be any Jones folks. It might be Indiana Jones. Wait, which one? Do you hate more? First one to the third one. I think they really found their footing by the third one. So I'd say the first one. How do you hate? How do you how Sean Connery Sean Connery. No, I'm not. I don't get me wrong. I love the third one. And I think I I go back and forth on which one I like more. My point is just how can you not like Raiders of the Lost Ark? How do you have the issue really hazy? Like it's like a Jew dasia Judaism versus Christianity thing? Fucking or doing Raiders of the Lost Ark? Good dumb ass. What the fuck with you know, you know? And no, this is great. You know why? Because it was just Amazon Prime Day. And I told myself I'm not gonna buy anything on Amazon Prime Day. But let me look and they had a deal on on the Indiana Jones. blu ray set. Now me as a person I don't. Well, I still buy DVDs and blu rays and everything. I really only do it for the movies that's hold a special place in my heart. And the Indiana Jones movies are that for me. So I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna go with Indiana Jones and the Raiders The Lost Ark. Fuck yourself. I'm giving you a gift. I don't. You're so dumb. You're fucking moron. Fuck you.