Ep 32: F**k Le Cercle Rouge!

Hello this is Sean and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review podcast before we get started please make sure to like follow subscribe, write a review of this podcast wherever you are listening right now and please be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram all those are linked in the description. Enjoy the Episode Hello and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review podcast with yours truly Sean Corbin Not to be confused with the basketball referee Sean Corbin and joining me is my less than wonderful co host Jani. Jani, how you doing? You haven't chimed in this is kind of weird. Oh, you're just gonna give him the silent treatment. Okay, cool. So hi folks. Jani Ponta Scotto here. If you're wondering why I didn't interrupt Sean a little bit earlier than I did. That's because I thought I would do something that kind of pertained to the film we chose for this episode, the circle rouge or the red circle, which is notoriously quiet, and I will probably make that joke mold multiple times throughout the runtime of this episode. So if you ever hear me, not protesting Sean's lunacy. That's why. But the joke doesn't work. If you don't get the video feed and only works with the video. If you're hearing the audio in which you can't tell that you're physically pausing and I cut all the silences doesn't really matter. This is a podcast is an audio platform this, the red circle would not work if we're just a podcast because there's almost no dialogue. But well we'll talk about that later. Yani I want to say real quick, there's gonna be a funny joke, but he got me heated and agitated or ready. But like at work this week, they asked me so I recently got hired and they were like, Shawn, how about you send in you know, like the general work questions like get to know you for a newsletter, like Shawn, here's some questions get to know you. So what I'm planning to do is like I referenced earlier, there is another Sean Corbin out there who is a former, I believe, former basketball referee. And I'm just going to try and use every bit of him I can. So for example, it's like what's your favorite song I wrote? I can't remember the name of song right now. But let's get ready for this. You know, like dam dam. dam dam dam. So I have that for my favorite song. Who would I want to meet in real life? I said, or who's my favorite person? I said, Scottie Pippen. My favorite show ever last dance favorite article of clothing. Your black and white. I said favorite color was burnt orange. They, they I also tried to do like the worst takes possible. So they were like, Oh, what? What's your favorite color Beatles versus Rolling Stones? And in sync versus Backstreet Boys. So what I am doing is I'm writing the Dave Matthews Band is greater than the Beatles. Critic. Great. I'm surprised a portal of hell didn't just open up right underneath you. The moment you finished writing that? That's it. Wow. No listeners. I certainly don't believe that. It says I'm trying to troll them so hard. I'm trying to give the worst possible take the one where you go I don't know how you can possibly defend this. Unlike this episode, in which I'm going to give a good take that I can somewhat defend Yon is probably going to pierce through it and say yeah, that's like not a good argument. Just whatever through it. That's this. That's this podcast. Yani like a one meter right? Did we What did we do last Thursday? What What did you already said already said already said let's circle Oh, news. JOHN Pierre Melville's 1970 heist film classic, otherwise known in English as the red circle. And I suppose since we're already talking about what we what I chose, I'm gonna say why I chose it. And the reason I chose to ask you that though I didn't, I don't want it. Oh, well, I'm gonna tell you anyways, after last week, I'm going to tell you whether you like it or not. I watched Ocean's 12 last week, and boy, oh, boy. Do Shawn and I have some disagreements about that. Movie. Emphasis is very, very heated, got very angry. It was one of the few times after we finished filming an episode where we were just like, yeah, good night Bye. logged off right after. I definitely did not say good night. I let you say your piece. And I said, All right, and then kind of just close the laptop because I didn't just close and have it. We didn't want to talk to her. Each Other didn't want to see one another probably didn't say anything to one another for like a day most legitimate. Go fuck yourself. It was we were extremely agar. We're better now we've come off of it well that but that's only because Sean hasn't edited this episode that last episode is I haven't edited so I haven't relived it, but also what broke the tension. So not to get into my work too much, but I work for a music licensing company and I have to call bars and places across the country so I had to get in contact with a gay bar near where Jani grew up, and I was like Jani Do you know this place? Is this your favorite place? And needless to say he was a frequent customer frequent. No, I denied vehemently, ever going there. I said, Shawn, I definitely did not go there. And I never went there between this date and this date. And that's not and that is why that is the reason why you did you did hear from me the nights that I told you. I was not there. Definitely. So okay, yeah. And then we made some more seven days in hell jokes, because why the fuck and we got past it. Because you know, we're talking to men in this world. Oh, you're not okay, well, whatever. I'm past it, I don't care. I've put it behind me. But anyways, why I picked the Cirque de Roos was that I walked out of Ocean's 12 very feeling very unfulfilled. Even though my my sensations were all stimulated by the flashing colors and the loud sounds and the music. And so I wanted to watch something that was kind of that tackled the same idea that was conceptually very similar similar. I really, but was essentially the antithesis of that movie. And so I thought, Okay, well, you know, what actually would be a great idea would be a bottle of lumber, one of Melville's earlier films, and also another heist film, that was an immense influence on just the high genre in general. And specifically, both of the ocean's 11 swims, which I would rather have you pick that but whenever we I, the thing was that it wasn't available on like any streaming for free, and lesser query, which was, so we went with a circuit route. Really? Fun fact, though, before I could watch it, it expired on criteria channel. So Shawn was able to watch it, and then someone's not paying attention. Well, no, I'm busy. I'm busy. I wasn't able to watch it until tonight, and I had to rent it. But yeah, so that's why I watched it. Quick history on it. I actually only saw it about two years ago, I'd seen bottle flambeaux I think when I was about 13, or 14. So I didn't really understand exactly why it was so good. And I probably didn't appreciate it for what it was then. And I kind of wish in retrospect that we had watched it because I would have loved to revisit it can. That being said the circle route is a fantastic feeling before you get into a directional realization. What, when you were watching that movie, I'm not going to pronounce it at 13 better or worse than the return? Where did you rank it? Because you watch it the return has stuck with me. So I'd say I'm not gonna say it's worse. I'm gonna say it's not as good in my memory as the return. But I would never call I would never devalue a Melville film, by quantifying it as something worse than or not as good as it's alright, if I don't remember it. I don't recall it. With such such not nostalgia, but okay, but you were saying say, now, okay, red circle. Yeah, beautiful film, wonderfully realized. You're going to hear a whole bunch of reasons why I love it later on. So I'm not going to get get too much into it right now. But I thought it would be the perfect film to follow up the movie we watched last week, and going off up that time to give it a rating. And you know what? Don't even fucking do it every time you do this, God, here's what's good. Here's what's gonna Hi, hi. Shawn. decimals. I bet you do it. So you're going to act like it's your original idea. You're like, yo, can we do decimals? I just came up with a G What can I do right now on the spot, even though he does that every goddamn time? Correct me if I say no, and then he's gonna say you know what, I'm still gonna do it. Did you just say Did you just say decimals? Here? I don't know if you've gone to school Yani. But decimals don't exist. There's no such thing as a decimal. There's only I was actually thinking just now I was gonna ask Hey, can we do stars because I know we've been doing like these solid one number ratings for the past 30 or so episodes. You can either Hey, stars would be a really interesting way to like you have to ice it up. You can eat I think you I like the idea of decimals decimals, cell numbers like one size or You can do numbers and fractions. If you want to do decimal negative decimal fractions or negative decimals, you're allowed to do that. Are you trying to are you trying to or you're trying to step on my right my freedom of choice here? I'm giving you the choice. No, no, you're not giving me a choice. I'm going with decimals. Oh, I'm going with that. I'm doing it. I'm going with decimals. Let me type and you know what, this is going to be a thing moving forward. I think it's just you're just going to have to get used to it. And nothing I am you stopping I am. So nothing will stop me. dissensus using decimals, okay. So if I'm allowed to do decimals, I'm going to have to give this one and 8.45 8.45 I added another five hundredths on to what I thought I was going to do, I was originally going to do 8.4 but just didn't feel right additional five hundredths to that point for making it an 8.4 final I would be tempted to do just take the a and move it around. So there's a 4.58 kind of tempted to give that rating to it pretty. But that's kind of offensive to people who have dis calcula isn't it Shawn? How's it How is it offensive that white you know, no, I don't even I shouldn't have to explain to you why this is offensive to people who have dis calcula let's just keep going before you can't offending people you're making because I know you're going to I keep saying you're fresh and people by not liking this movie. And I'm thinking to myself, imagine all the things you said that have been offensive. Name seven, seven are name 7.51. But I don't have time for that because we got to talk about this goddamn movie. So we do this really good movie this gosh darn rainbow heck and movie. Again. I told you this in the past don't say hey, I can just say freakin or something happens. Not a word. Sound like a fucking baby chicken or something? I don't care. I am Uh, I'm not but Okay, uh, you know, the day I'm not gonna Okay, no, anyways, next thing we do, folks is the opposer the quote unquote disinterested party that Jani likes to say. It's called disaffected, dispassionate, and this passion is certainly a word for it. That party, ie me gives a plot summary of the movie. I wrote this one down, folks, because I want to get it right. Well, hold on before we before before you tell me this. How long ago did you sit down and think this out, if this wasn't something that you came up like to with two minutes before we started, I'm probably going to be pretty disappointed in it. You don't have those lightning in a bottle moments, I'll put it this way. It's a two parter. And that I had the idea for almost immediately. But I didn't actually follow through on the execution till like right before we started this call. So it's a bit sloppy, it's not up to snuff with where I want it to be. But it has the right sentiment and idea what's up this is like, this is like the first draft of what I would want it to be. I know I can hone it to be better, but I think it's still pretty good. Anyways, here we go. sidhartha, Guatemala, the Buddha drew a circle with a piece of chalk and said when men even unknowingly are to meet one day, whatever it may be fall each, whatever the diverging paths, whether they go left, they go, right, they go up or they go down. On the sad day, they will inevitably come together in the red circle, not the blue circle, but the red circle, and then they will leave that red circle. Think of it like a bar or a coffee shop, you go there, maybe you meet someone there, then you both leave saddened alone, never to meet again. But some things do happen and things will continue to happen. And then you get shot in the back all trying to fence diamonds for not even that big of a pay day to a sketchy fence who wears sunglasses indoors at night and is clearly not someone to be trusted. Then you come back to the red circle and ask yourself why did I bother and quote and and summary. Wow, that was I mean is there that was like funny, but times the imaginary number I which is the square root of negative one. That was funny. I okay, it was so bad. It doesn't exist. It's not medical it This movie is so bad that the Criterion Collection said we made a mistake that we're taking this off our service. That's why you can't watch it. That's why they expired. They said No, cuz it's a studio cow. It's a studio canal remaster. I mean, there, there are other movies. A lot of the studio canal films that aren't on not only aren't on the criterion channel aren't even in print again, because of the rights because of disputes over the rights and like studiocanal not wanting to just let criterion print the dang super, super quick Fun fact for you after I immediately after I watched this movie, I watched a new three hour Bollywood sorry, a new three hour indian movie starring VGA called the master. I told you a little bit about it, but it's also a studiocanal movie. So food for thought. Yeah, they do a lot of foreign releases domestically. But they also are kind of tight fisted with it. I don't I'm still kind of disgruntled that they won't just like criterion release the remastered Ron. But that's neither here nor there. Speaking of which, fun fact before I get into this for another fun fact, this is one of Akira Kurosawa's favorite films, which is kind of a big deal. And he has won a Stanley Kubrick's I don't get that too. So yeah, the jerk is also really funny. It's got some great quotes that I can't say right now, and probably will never be able to, but I'll watch it and laugh. Oh boy, will I quick summary and incarcerated chooser and incarcerated criminal play by laying Dylon named named Corey is released and on the eve of his release, he is told by a guard of a good jewelry shop to steal from after he's gotten out. He meets up with this escaped convict who's being transported by a police officer named miss a matei. meets up with this criminal His name is Vogel. he convinces him to come in on the robbery of this jewelry store with him and then vocal connects him with a sharpshooter who they need a sharpshooter named Jansen, who they need to help pull off the heist. Eventually they pull off the heist, and through a series of betrayals, they wind up being lured into a into a sting I guess by Muay Thai and then matej mente I can't remember call. I don't call him inspector clue. So that song, I'm sure you ain't gonna get it anyways, they're lured into a sting and then they're all killed. More or less. That's the whole that's the whole film. Yeah, that's pretty much what you say. That's pretty economic and my good. My good at being economic daddy. I am so proud. Don't ever say. I am proud of daddy. As a daddy is a crowd. And his mistress. I'm proud of you like a father. of a mistress. Yeah, cuz you said daddy in that connotation. I could be any number of things. I could be be a prostitute that could just be like, I was trying to clean it up. I was trying to give a class act. But you know, you gotta bring us down. Shawn again. You know, imaginary number. I you trying to be a class act? All right, Jani. Tell us what is the next thing? Since you're set to class? What's the next thing on the structure? Well, you know what? My Computer actually went to sleep so I have no idea. Why sleeping? You're still talking to me? How I'm fucking liar. Tell me. What's the next thing? I already know what it is. Folks. He's doing the long pause pretending to smoke a cigarette. Like he's cool. Even though I don't think he's smoked a single cigarette in his entire life. Always smoked too sorry, he gave too Even though that he could just be holding out his hand and given the fuck you sign? I don't know. All right, so I'm going to answer the question No, that's that's a why that's why for Yogi green tea quote. Dude, you're alright. Yeah, so he did the British Fuck you. Which is also to which is also apparently the symbol for Yogi green tea quote, even though it's not so of all day. I want to give you my Yogi green tea quote, to pacify our anger and our frustration and set us off on a good mood that will inevitably go astray. Sour Yogi green tea quote is work but don't forget to live and I feel like that's a very good quote for today's movie. So they were to tennis Wow. Do you forget to live because you know they get shot in the head and die. Well, a lot of a number of people die or attempt death. Only silly. Actually. Only six definite deaths. In this film only six deaths. In it kind of a low body count for a heist film I mean the oceans movies don't have any. Well that's because you know they also they're lame as hell so they almost have like a third movie in the third movie there's almost one but then frickin What's his name? Albert wrote not Albert rose who's the guy who plays like gold Eliot goal. There you go. I knew it was some actor from the 70s Elliott Gould almost dies and then he's like, No, I'm gonna get better and then it gets better. Now, I just want to say real quick I watched asphalt jungle yesterday in preparation for this you ever seen it? No. It's a very good heist movie much better than this. A lot of people die. Anyway Oh, well I want a lot of people on this podcast to die right now but let's keep going let's get a lot this like the fucking numeral I want numerous I want numerous people in this podcast live die, right? That person on this goddamn podcast and that's me. That's numerous. There are many of us right here. Well, you were saying you want numerous people to die in this podcast and that means more than one and there's only two people on this podcast that means you want me to die but you also want to die yourself like that. No, I walk in your ways I want you and like just take all the water you know your sound multiple people you know by association to also die just out of association with you. But anyways, that leads me to my first point one of my favorite aspects thinking thinking about like favorite things and things Okay, so we're getting into how we divide this each was picks three things you like three things we dislike Jani was your first thing you like, please? Let's see. What does it say? What does it say in my my notes? Oh, it says the highest comma duh. Yeah. So there is a pure anyways. Yeah. Okay, so this film is pretty famous for its heist, which is this 27 minute minute sequence that Melville shows the entire like start to finish of the whole thing, beginning with them breaking into the building, performing the highest, and then escaping 27 minutes 27 of the tensest and quiet moments ever put to sound and I have to say sound film because it's not a silent film and other films were obviously silent and didn't have any sound. But no, I'm not kidding. Like, during this entire 27 minute period, you barely hear any sound and what few sounds you do here, almost like imperceptible and I really think that that's something special. Like in a lot of films, I think people are tempted to add some sort of music to ramp up the the tension or tempted to provide the participants with some sort of witty dialogue or banter kind of the way that no offense to Ocean's 11 I still think it's a good film by kind of the way Ocean's 11 does that was kind of a game changer in the heist genre, though. It was a little bit different before that, and this wasn't the first time Melville employed that technique. It's just very realistic. I think, when you really get down to it. And there's something about that lack of dialogue, that lack of sound that really amplifies everything that does happen. You know, it's like that saying, you could hear a pin drop in the room. The only reason you can hear it drop is because everything else is totally clouded. Shawn, I've actually been dying to know what did you think of the heist. Here's what I thought of the highest My favorite part of the highest was when Indio aka Vogel, but I'm gonna call him India, which we'll get into in a bit when he passes by the statue and just looks up and touches the breast of the statue. It reminded me of Die Hard and then I remembered tie art for a second and it made me a little happy to think of diehard so that was my highlight of the heist oh my god as far as how I actually thought about the highest listen I think being able to sustain such a long sequence for however long without using sound or dialogue is how do I put it is an interesting idea that's mostly well executed in that particular idea and that particular framing device but as far as the heist itself, I don't think it was particularly clever interesting, and I will I will caveat that by saying I don't think the majority of movies from the that time period had good actual heists even the heist movies I like from that time period, like for example Thomas Crown Affair, I haven't actually finished a movie because I'm I don't really like it but the first heist is fucking horrible. So this is better than that. highest, it's not as good as alcohol jungle highest thing is the genre has shifted a lot. And honestly, heist ended up becoming as for these older, older films, the things that hold up the least now Oh, as far as the sound is concerned, you are like I said, you are correct. I can't deny that the lack of sound is interesting. I just don't feel like the shots. The quite honestly, the this I know this is gonna sound like a fucking nitpick, but it irritates the hell out of me. Just the look of the location was horrible. It was so it's just that it's such an I don't know. Yeah, but when you're talking about it was 1970, France, and they were holding up a jewelry. I understand that. But thing is, it's the onset of the whole thing. This is great. This state of the art for 1970. Maybe it's a state of the art from 1970. It was you had I Oh, trying to argue it was or it wasn't. I'm just saying for right now, for me as the viewer watching it and look fucking lame. And the lighting was not great and didn't help support that. So just look like I was on a big fucking set in a fucking sitcom. And nothing. Everything was just plain and drab, and there was no texture or real detail. And I and beyond that just the shot selection. And what was going on was very methodical in one sense. I didn't find that it was particularly exciting. Also, when you have the one cop who's the only threat more or less the entire time, and they just kind of Gag him and put him on his cot. No, they don't just kind of Gag him what they have to do. They have to remain. Okay. He's kind of underselling this moment. I'm first of all, to get into this building. It's not like it underselling Yeah, it's not like they go in through the front door, what they have to do to get into law school, they have to go into, they have to go into a company, that's after they they're able to let him in. They have to go to a completely different other building, scale that go up to the top up to the roof, climb down from the roof to a bathroom window, use a glass cutter to cut a circular hole in the window without alerting this guard inside. Open that the one that aren't alerting the why guard? Yeah, it's not a huge jewelry store either. Like, why would there be more than one guard, it's just, it just happens to have 20 million. It has 20 million francs worth of jewelry in there. It's definitely like, it's, that's why it's an ideal heist, they have to sneak in, get in through the bathroom, and then take this guy down before he can hit the alarm, which is like less than two feet away from him. Okay, now granted, no, it's not like this, it is it is pretty exciting. Because it's not because there are stakes, because he's got a gun, because there are so many ways this can go wrong instantaneously. And it's just these two guys, it's just two guys, they don't really have backup, they have really no way out. If they don't take this guy down. He also was armed, he can shoot them, they're just so many ways for for the plan to fall through. And by this point, you've already spent I think about 10 or 15 minutes, following them on eggshells trying to just get into this building without making so much as a peep. And the one sound that they do make, they almost do alert the guard, that's the thing. It's like the guard all hears something, and he almost catches them. But you know, they're saved, he decides to just not check up on it, which is kind of an issue. But whatever I'm willing to allow it. And then they have to tackle him, knock him out and tie him up. And then yeah, after that point, the heist is easy, because that was the one big issue. But what I like so much about that is that it's realistic, is that it wasn't overblown, it's that I couldn't believe it that I couldn't believe it was actually happening. And therefore, I felt some sort of connection with the moment I felt this palpable tension that that I feel is happening. I just didn't feel elated, real tension, and then everything else that goes on in there, if we're talking about them, trying to avoid the lights, the light sensors, like at one point, Alain de la and like has to bend, bend over one and duck onto the other. And the guy who's within Vogel like grabs his leg to steady and as it gets through. And it's just it's such a graceless moment. You know, there's nothing cool about it. There's nothing edgy about it. It's just natural. It seems like something that someone would actually have to do in a robbery or in that situation. But one moment, I think that you can't Alright, though, one moment I think you can't tell me isn't kind of cool. I know you're gonna so I don't think you Yeah, no, of course you're gonna think it's lame, but it's really cool. And it's actually super important for the character. After they get in. And they turn off the, they turn off the light sensors, they open the door, and they let Janssen Johnson, I don't know how they actually don't know how they say his name. But they let him in. He's a sharpshooter ex cop that they bring in. And he's has to make this 65 foot shot with a with a home made bullet into a target that I think is like less than half an inch in diameter from 65 feet away. And he takes out a tripod and puts his rifle on it so we can get the shot. And he has like a What is it a scope on it as well. And he studied the shot and he has it locked on to the onto the target onto that little pinhole. And then at the last second he pulls the rifle off the top off the tripod steadies his aim fires and makes the shot and it's really cool. It's really cool. Because for half a second you think, Why on earth would he be would he be doing this? Vogel and Cory they look to each other. And this really proves himself. He's not an alcoholic anymore, you know? Yeah. Well, no, it's not an alcoholic anymore. We'll get into oh my gosh, yeah, you're going to you have you have no idea. And he makes a shot, and they pull it off. And as they're leaving, yeah, the guard finally comes to, he's not afraid that he's going to be killed anymore, because that totally could have happened while he was in there. While they were there turns on the alarm and they escape. It's pretty cool. Not right like it a lot. It's supposed to look drab. I was reading about this. About I was reading Roger Ebert's review of this film. And he talked about how it was one of the few films he'd ever seen that has all the appearances of being in black and white, but was shot completely in color. And I thought, yeah, that's totally what the look of this is. It's just it's, I just I don't know what is pretty good lighting. I'm telling you asphalt jungle, put it to shame and the lighting and the Sure, whatever. What's your first go if you look at the list of the classic heist films, you'll see asphalt jungles like number one or two, that and Rififi. So, you saw this back. He was gonna do this 10 years earlier, and then asphalt jungle owner Fifi came out. He's like, Fuck, I guess he got a hold off on this. And he did later. I haven't seen Rififi yet, but yeah, anyways, anything else you wanna say about the lay masseuse? It wasn't laying. It's really cool. It's the star attraction of the whole show. If you watch this for no other reason, that's fine. You have to see it. Okay, Shawn, what have what I already know what this is. Just say it. Okay, so I want you on the out yummy. Tell the listeners what I did for my notes. His number one is, well, actually all of his least favorite and favorite aspects aren't aren't points. You know, they're not written points. They're just clipart there's pictures or not clipart pictures, their pictures and the first one is I wanted to be vague like Melville and how you guess as to what it actually is. That's Ramon from Fistful of Dollars. I'm assuming because the same guy who played Vogel Oh my god, stupid. Can you be? No, okay. I know. Are we right? You are right. But the picture listeners if you watched for a few dollars more, it's the same actor Ramon. He plays Indio in for a few dollars more. So I thought it'd be funny to have a picture of the wanted poster of Indio that says el Indio, dead or alive. So for you to literally have the name plastered in front. I didn't actually look at it. I'm looking at my points. And I just remember there was a wanted sign, so I assumed that it was I'm not even gonna bother scrolling up for you. Anyways. Thanks. Okay. Anyway, you actually have a point. Yeah. I so when I initially watched this movie, well, sorry when I initially watched the first hour of this movie, and then turned it off about six months ago, because I was so bored and confused. I did not realize it was Indio but I love those dollars movies. I love them love them. And when I was doing a little bit of research before rewatching this movie, I said, Oh my god, it's Indio I love India. So he's always a plus to see I miss his facial hair but I liked him I like him as an actor. His performance was I mean we'll get we'll get into it in your negatives later. But to be a backdoor because that's all I'm gonna do cuz that's all you do. But a like there's actually a backdoor dislike. So as far as cons for Indio. I would say when he saw in the beginning of the movie, he is the led by the detective character to I guess present he's been handcuffed and locked up and then our train and do breaks out of the trains and runs away prison what is being taken to be interrogated not not prison whatever I could not even clue I wasn't clear to me if they say it they literally say it just you know okay if you were wondering they say it's in there thank you. Anyways, it happened flashes across the screen anyways, so during his escape there is one moment in which he thinking Oh man, I gotta outsmart these doggies, these doggies that are chasing me with these cops. So he strips naked except for his tighty whities, throws them across the stream goes through the stream and puts the clothes back on for what is supposed to be a very tense and thrilling moment. It really by belaboring the movement and kind of doing a Magic Mike is showing us all the stripping and him taking it off and on. I don't think he really needs to be like this tense, slick moment at that, at that at that juncture at that point in his escape. I think it's just supposed to be kind of graceless. Yeah, it is kind of graceless, but it's not it's an gracefulness of the gracelessness it's not about that it's just it really feels awkward and slow particularly with the scene is supposed to be I didn't like it I also didn't think is particularly clever. I also watched Cool Hand Luke a couple weeks ago wasn't much smarter thing with the dogs, but anyone does a much smarter you mean with with the seasonings with the salt and the pepper that he has access to? No, he literally go he like jumps off of towers and bridges and goes through fences and goes back and forth. And really Yeah, he's okay. Does Vogel have that opportunity? Where is he he's in the he's in the white. They have done that he has trees done and water they wanted to that they want that's where he was he was being transparent where whatever I asked where it was. That's where it anyways that's how and that's something that would actually work by the way, in case you're wondering. going across a body of water would force the dog to lose its scent. Anyways, other things I didn't like I so watching the dollars trilogy, I got really accustomed to that voice actor. So hearing his real voice, not a fan, not a fan. And last thing I'll say is that I don't know why he decided to go along with the whole heist in the beginning. I like the scene and what she gets the to meet. So essentially, he's in Cory I'm gonna call Cory Peter file. So if you know Peter file from The IT Crowd, let's like pedophile and how this guy has a pedophile mustache and just totally normal mustache. He looks like a totally normal person. It's okay, it's Milan. Are you joking? How can you look at Alain Dylon and not just fall in love with that man, no matter if he has a mustache? Anyways, so grab a second head India hops in the paedophiles trunk and then Peter file pulls off to a side. And he's like you can get out now. And then these two have an exchange. And the first time I watched this movie, I was so fucking confused as to what was happening. Was this what he was trying to do? What court was this part of quarries and plan intentionally? Or was this kind of just happening unfolding? I didn't know. And I turned it off this time around. I still wasn't sure until later on in the movie, but I had a little bit more clarity and I ended up liking the scene a lot more the second time around, but he sees him. He sees him in his trunk. He knows that. Obviously, he's the runaway criminal that they've been talking about on the radio. It's their exchange, it's their dialogue. that's confusing, because things are just not clearly stated. Anyways, what I didn't like was that he just recruits India and India's like, Sure, I'll just do it. You know, mine. He's a runaway criminal with nowhere else to go. You can go to Matt silly gonna tell Sui in Ocean's 12 is hiring Matt. So he doesn't exist in this universe. Also, he's probably a 10 year old if he is if he is does exist. He's 10. Anyways, that's all I want to say. Okay, all right, whatever. What's your second line wrong? Well, this actually goes this goes back to my problems with Ocean's 12. And it's style just for style sake, or its decision to have style just for style sake or a style as a middle finger to the audience. You know, I love that through you for caring screw you for liking the original Ocean's 11 movie. Here's a bunch of stuff that doesn't matter. And there's no reason that it happens. Also, actually, original original Ocean's 11 movie sucks awful. Don't see it, Frank. Okay, whatever. I haven't seen it. I don't care. This film, however, has it does the exact opposite thing and for that reason succeeds in a lot of places where Ocean's 12 fails where In Ocean's 12, you have style just for style sake in this film, you have this very sleek kind of cold dispassionate style that emanates from the themes of the film that's now Shawn is more or less read the theme off at the beginning when he provided a misquote of the film's a fake quote. It's a fake quote. So what? Who cares? He did the same thing with with samurai. It's just the point of the film to lie and, okay, it's not a lie. That's the truth. That's what it is. It's not real. So what? Who cares? It's the point of the film, you're saying. So it's this, like I was saying, it's a style that emanates from the theme, the theme of this film, like Sean kind of alluded to there in the beginning. More or less is fatality. You know, what's its fatalism? No matter what, at some point, at some juncture, people are destined to meet people reach their fate, and you like me? And you? Yeah, gray or crash. So it's about a meeting of it's about a meeting of people. It's about finding these different souls, noticing how they operate and watching as they slowly come to collide with one another. And in the process of doing that. The film asks, How do you understand a person's nature? You know, it asked questions like, or it makes it ask questions like how do you determine a man's nature and make statements like, you can't change a man's nature, saying things like man is good, but inevitably be cut but inevitably he's going to become corrupted no matter what. But I don't think it ever really states what good and evil are. This is kind of a bonus for my third, but one of the ongoing juxtapositions throughout this film, is this idea of honest criminality and perfidious kind of duplicitous law. So you have criminals who go about their crime and an honest and I'm not gonna say like decent because crime is crime crime for the win, but there's this sort of honor amongst thieves that does exist. But on the other side of that, you have law enforcement attempting to catch these people at you know, at all stakes that not at all stakes at all costs. And going to the point of forcing you know, for instance, meta II what I can never remember how to say his name matej. Teo gets mad, it's not Mateo. And there's a bar that everyone meets at called Santis Santis, the owner, and matej wants him to be an informant for him so he can help catch gogle Vogel, he can help you help them catch Vogel Santi doesn't want to do this because though he is a criminal, there's this sort of unspoken honor amongst them. Finally, they come to a head and matej twist his arm by taking Santee son in and saying that he was arrested for selling marijuana. Turns out, the kid was actually selling marijuana. And when he was caught and confronted by the cops, attempts to kill himself, so he doesn't have to deal with the consequences of that of that choice of those decisions. And so what you're left with is this sort of jumbled idea of what like good and bad actually is, or this blurred line of like, what makes what you're left with this kind of lucid debt, not lucid, but you're left with this kind of unclear definition of what good and evil is you have a protagonist, you have an antagonist, but you can't really tell who's on the right side, right. Is that something that you came out of this kind of thinking, even though you didn't like it? Did you kind of pick up on that? No, I thought everyone was on the wrong side. Okay, you thought everyone was on the wrong side. But kind of I was kind of kind of kind of rooting for India and Peter file, but you know, yeah, you know, kind of because it seems whatever, hate the cop, but we'll talk about that later. So how do you get down to like the very nitty gritty of a person's nature, and I think what it comes down to is that this film is a study and method in methodology. It's very, very fascinated in how people operate. So it and because of that, it decides to show like how every single choice is made in each one of the characters, you know, goings on. And it's something like kind of so small as awesome, you know, watching Vogel disrobe before he crosses that creek or watching Cory clean off his gun before he throws it in the in the back in the back of his car. It's nothing that you necessarily need to see or that is really narratively, that's like terribly important, but it focuses on character, it focuses on their method and it helps to develop them to to mold them and I think familiar authorizes them to the viewers. I thought about Magic Mike. Yeah, but it's I mean, you're not entirely wrong. And that wasn't something I disliked about Magic Mike. Yeah, counting money that was stuffed in your G string. I guess that's interesting. It's not as interesting as somebody escaping and then swipe sequitur you can continue with your point. Okay. I just think that it draws the viewer in getting to see things like that. It's kind of like watching the gears turn on the machine or return in a see through clock. It's actually something I mean, Bressan did a lot of this too. I was actually thinking about maybe doing a man escaped because person kind of also fixated on like these small little tasks, like you know, picking wallets out of pockets and breaking locks. And Melville does a lot of that too. Just like a small little inserts hands doing things. Like, for instance, when Vogel takes that a small little ladder that they cross, they go down when they're doing the highest they ladder, he's making fun of it, but it's have their feet. It's a logical, it's a logical thing to do to have a ladder that you can conceal. It makes sense. It's just funny to look at. No, I was talking, I mean, yeah, sure. Why not? It's graceless to they're climbing down this ladder, and it doesn't look cool at all. But I love that I was gonna say Vogel taking the the the safety pin out of his jacket and bending it in that kind of extreme close up when he's about to escape. But yeah, you have all of that and it generates this sort of humanist austerity, you know, it's very, it's very bleak. It's very realistic. And because it's this various stripped down observation of what makes us who we are, really are what makes the individual who they are and not by what they say, but what they do when and how they go about it. Very long winded, very roundabout. That's my second aspect. Yeah, cool. Well, we're almost at the hour mark, by the way, and we're on your second point. I wrote out down a couple short things little jokes that I'll say so you said this movie asked why questions I said it asked questions by saying nothing point and we'll get to later you I also wrote down let's see, it also asked questions like why when you immediately get a present do you go to the guy who is going to hunt you down throughout the rest of the movie and kind of lead to your downfall? Why do that? I don't know guy hunt you down who's hunted that caught that noun sorry that the criminal he didn't turn in that cord in turn in who's sleeping with his ex girlfriend because they want he needed money? He he could rob a liquor store he could do something else anyways because you know that that that was ultimately his downfall. But the thing that you said that I thought was a most was it's nothing you need to see. And I agree with that. On when I say about that moving on my second point, my second like Yani what what do I have for my second like describe the picture? It's a trench coat. Did you just like the costuming? It's just the beige trench coat? Because let me let me tell you folks, it's like the wardrobe department was told by the director. Okay, like the wardrobe department asked director so what what do you want for the costuming? Like how are we gonna design the theories? how we're going to design the criminals and how are you going to design the cops? Like what's the difference? And Melville just went beige trench coats and black ties and the customer goes well, don't you want some kind of variety? Don't you want like a little bit of contrast and is like trench coat black tie all I want So while it does look good? Korea looks good in a trench coat. I can't deny that and you know what gonna go on with my joke I made earlier about the Peter file. You know, I You're right. I can't deny he looks good with that one line. On his bunion. You can't deny it's it's sad. It's sad that it has such a bad connotation like I watch Indian movies with guys with big thick mustaches and you go like, I wish this was still a thing, but it's not anyways. I like the costuming to a degree. I just think that it was very repetitive consistently and it's kind of weird. It's stripped down. It's drab. A lot of things in this film are just kind of drab and by the way, variety, john Murray, john Maria volante variety in that your boy, India when he's he never wears a trench coat? No, he never wears a trench coat. And I picked up on that. And there was this one suit, almost right in the middle. When he when they're, I don't wanna say at corys apartment, but they're somewhere when they're planning and they're talking about finding a marksman and he's wearing this like pajama suit. That's like navy blue with a white outline for his apartment there and yeah, that was a really doubt that was really good wardrobe. That was a really good costume. Okay, actually, I like that little sidestep here. It's actually funny you bring up the wardrobe because john Murray, john Maria volante, that's his name, right? Is that how you say it? I don't want to just call him indigo, India, India. I mean do that. I'll just call him India. He almost walked because because john Pierre Melville just like couldn't figure out his style, that character style, and it frustrated him. He was also I think, the only Italian guy on onset, which I'm sure carried its own unique struggles in the only like the talons a late night Alon. Have you seen Elaine's? Alon Alain de la and can actually speak Italian too. I don't want that. I have seen them in the leopard. Rocco and his brothers he's in the original the purple noon I don't know if purple. I don't know if purple Nunes Italian. I don't think it is, but it's the I've only heard of the film. I've never seen it. No, it's really good. It's so good. In fact, I don't know if I could use it for this podcast because you might watch it and just like love it and also fall in love with Elaine Dylan in it and also realize you're gay. Gay or than you already are. Alright, good to know. Thank you. Well I'm the offensive was podcast. He almost walked. He he and they didn't quite get into fisticuffs but he was very frustrated during the making of this film because of the wardrobe because of the law taking orders from a French guy. You just you're so oh my gosh All right, that's it it's like you can't you can offend the French all you want but say anything you Okay. Here's the thing my listeners it's all in jest it's all jokes. It is it's it's it is kind of person doesn't feel like it is it's a little bit of overstand. How it's personal. It's hazy. Do you have you even talked to a French process? It's just the air of pretension. It's this air pretension. It's the same thing as like the film school bros like you guys like you. Were just like, oh, whoa, I love my fucking Melville. And like, I'm gonna list all these movies you've never fucking heard of. Oh, you haven't heard of Oreo? Oh, you're not so on the educated swine. I hate that. You're not like that with Bollywood films. You're totally like that with your Bollywood you just think that it's different because it's not. It's not mainstream. I don't think Oh, I know. You're saying we don't have a love for French films. down upon you at a ratio having watched a Bollywood movie or not knowing who Shahrukh Khan is, I don't count on you for not liking French. What I look down on you for is having an issue with French films because you think other people are pretentious for liking them. That's what I looked. I have an issue with you for like, I just don't like the movies. But anyways, Okay, last aspect. So probably my favorite part, not my favorite part of the film. But probably one of my favorite parts is a lot I could talk about. But my third like most favorite thing would be the character Johnson, who is this retired cop marksman. Apparently, when he retired, he was in the police who investigate the police. And he's an alcoholic. And that's how he starts out the film. And I just love the way that Melville handles his Ark, the very beginning of the film, The first time you see him, he's going through withdrawal withdrawals, he's in his bed, hallucinating with just like a whole bar worth of empty liquor bottles next to his bed. And he's watching crabs and snakes and lizards crawl out of a closet and then crawl across the floor onto his bed and then latch on to him. And it's this really sad moment. You see him at he where he's at his absolute lowest point. And at his absolute lowest point he gets that phone call from I believe he gets a phone call from Cory to come meet with him to talk about a job. And he hangs up from the phone from the phone call. And then there's just this one moment where he looks into the mirror and he lights a cigarette. And it's like that was the moment he was waiting for that was the moment where he came clear when he finally saw himself. He's not a big character either. You don't really meet him I think until we're more than a third of the way into the runtime. Oh, more than a third but that's his introduction more than it's it might be an hour are an hour 10 into this 220 move our 10 I don't think it's an hour 10 I don't think we're halfway through I think we're maybe positive 55 but this is over 45 I looked at that I said 5555 55 when you need him this is the first at least an hour and you know everything you know pretty much everything you need to know about his mental state about this character in about two or three shots. It's very, very masterful filmmaking. And over the course of the film, you see him sort of like taking all these steps. away from his alcoholism making these choices to, I guess push himself to to rise above himself to rise above his addiction. Like when he goes like Ben Affleck and he stakes out the stakes out the jeweler's he, and he does it very masterfully to the camera work by the way in that scene is great, how it catches him checking out pieces of jewelry. And then like noticing cameras, and all the other security measures throughout the room. And every single thing he does, whether it's just staking out the jewelry, the jewelry store, or it's creating these bullets that will traveling at the right speed, melt, make contact with the tumblers and essentially pick the lock from a distance. Or if it's even just doing his targeting practice in the woods. I think you only get like three or four scenes with him before you actually get to the heist three or four scenes with him on his own. But every time you see him, you see that this work that he's doing these steps that he's taking these, this distance that he's pushing himself to. He's pulling himself up out of his alcoholism, and he's doing it all so he can prove that he does have a grip, you know that he does still have a hold on the handle that he can, as he says lock the beasts away. Ultimately, that's that's why he decides after they've stolen all the jewels and they're going to take them to the fencer that he's not going to take his share. He says Cory and Vogel can have their halves. And he's when he when Cory asked him why I got my boss he says, He says thank you He tells Janssen Thank you, Jensen response No thanks to you I locked the beasts away meaning he was able to defeat his alcoholism and just return to some sort of control and I think it's really small character really beautiful Melville didn't need to put all the effort into just this one side character that he did but he did and it's a really tragic thing that after he you know makes this change and still stays with the group to try and see the see the heist through that he still has to die in the end. All right, if you don't you okay there, buddy. We got to move on. Yeah, it's hard to it's hard to talk about it. sayani before I get to my number three like I want to bring up my number two dislike because it relates to what you just talked about. Jani? Do you want to tell the listeners what my number two picture is my number two dislike picture. It's a picture of woody in a meme. And the caption says there's a snake in my boot. So listeners, you already kind of alluded to this when he was talking about Jensen right now. Jensen Janssen I can't remember what you said. But point is Johnson Johnson. Anyways, when this character is introduced, he's in his bed and as we're looking around, that's fine. But then all these beasts literally come out of his closet. So we got like lizards, we got snakes, little lizards, all the all these shit. That's why I had the snake in my boot kind of thing. I thought the character was okay, I don't think nearly as interesting or as deep as Jani is saying, but I thought he was okay. I didn't hate him. I think he had an interesting arc. I was fine with the RS these days and get the time that he wants. But my point is we have more time I'm not arguing this because we got to spend I don't want to belabor this but I'm just going to say I only bring this up all you want the point I'm trying to make is I just didn't like the metaphor of all the beasts coming out of the closet I feel like if it were another substance he was abusing that would have worked better than alcoholism and how it was done it was just the camera was more laid back and I feel like particularly more modern stuff. Just you know can use depth of field or focus or another same thing by like do more interesting things with the camera to essentially show that heightened feeling where it's been tatius with it Yeah, this just this is we're gonna throw animals at him and there's gonna be alcoholism and I didn't like that they handled it very uniquely and I loved it it was really and I didn't like it what's anyways thing moving on moving on to my actual so we'd have to talk about that later. Moving on to my number three Jani. What is what is the picture of my number three like? It's Tom Cruise from something is that Color of Money? Color money? Yes. Marty Scorsese best film? Ah, I don't actually, I can't even guess what is this? Do you like the fact that they were billiards tables in the film? Is that it? No. So before I get into my actual point, I just want to say what I almost did was right in the middle of the movie. I can't remember who's meeting what at Santis bar but Santi is by this coat check girl and he's talking to somebody I think is the COP is waiting for him and he's talking. There's this coat check girl in the background. She was very attractive. And I just want to take a screenshot of coat check girl and say this is my third thing I like because coat check girl is pretty attractive. But yes, I saw her too when I was thinking the same thing but also but my house just missed everything. My actual my The reason why I had the pool is there's a pool scene almost 1520 minutes into the movie or so. In which Cory goes to this horror. He goes up to a billiards room to wait for an auto dealer to open up. Yeah. I don't know why he had to go the auto dealer but whatever. It was right across the street. He needed to get a car. That's why why did he need to get a car with a train? Not good enough because he needed a car to go pick up Fogle so Volvo was actually part of the plan for Cory Yeah, but how so they knew each other beforehand? No, they didn't set by where he knew that he was this is why I knew that there was an escaped criminal. I didn't know if he was picking up Vogel or if Vogel Aqsa was just looking for open trunk. Actually not. It was a coincidence. I think he was just looking for an open trunk. Here's the deal, though. Corey knew he was going to need a getaway car. He didn't really need a getaway car but yeah, he definitely he oh my god definitely needed a getaway car because they always have a getaway car. What what heist Have you seen where there's no getaway car? ocean? Oh no. They actually have getaways. Ocean's 12. Yeah, Ocean's 12 doesn't have a getaway car because the robbery doesn't happen. There is no robberies on a train anyways, it's so lame. Anyway, yeah, that scene. So there are well I don't like most of this photography in this movie. I do think there were a couple good shots in this pool scene, or is this really good over the head over the top? Was it like, how do you call it like, it's just directly over the pool table. aerial shot, aerial shot, I don't know. Like, it's something of God shot. I can't remember what it's called. God, I have God shot I really liked it. I thought it was good. And there was I think was the shot when they were turning on the lights or the wide shot or when he first walks in was a nice shot. And there were some other cool shots in that sequence. Now that's the pro of it. The con is a he takes red chalk and draws a circle on the pole cue. Now obviously, that's what you do when you're going to shoot pool, but at the same time concerned the title on the quote is extremely on fucking nose. That's one Oh, I think it's so cool. I love it. I love that keep going to anyways, number two. So what I was saying earlier about Corey going to his former criminal acquaintance in getting cash or stealing cash from him. That guy sends two goons over to go and get it back from Korea and put Korea in his place. They take out guns and they're like Cory come with us and Korea was he like push them shoot them? I can't remember. Oh, he shoots him. Yeah. So he shoots one and then the guy like no, sorry. He pushes the one guy falls on the ground. And like it's the other guys right? No as the other guy is going to shoot him in Korea stops his hand and the guys shoots his partner by accident. Yeah, and it's such a like one in a million shot. And it's just I don't like how not I really know Okay, not one in a million but you're much more likely to miss the guy then hit him dead in his head like that. Okay, that seems like I'm sorry the moment I saw that I was like this seems exactly like the thing sort of thing Shawn would write into one of his movies. This seems like exactly that now that I didn't like house way like how was shot exactly the same? Like you would do the actual shot of it. I didn't like his head jerking. I didn't like the cutting. I didn't like the coincidence of it irritated me. I also just didn't like any of the kills in this movie to be quite frank. But that's another discussion and I'm not going to get into what I mean. Yeah, they're very you know, there's nothing nothing stylized about them. They just happen and it's totally fine. And it fits thematically leave it on because Sean's Russian me because we can talk about Russian. Like a Russian and not slow in like a French. Okay, okay. I'm just gonna go right through mine because I don't have a lot that I dislike about. Wow, shocker. shocker. Oh, you had anything to dislike about Ocean's 12 Oh, shocker. I can do it too. Let's, let's go. I know, fatalism wasn't like kind of a major interest of Melville. Something that he definitely explores in this film, something that he also explores in LA samurai, to a lesser extent, but he likes it. The idea that you're kind of fated to meet this certain end is something that he fixated on, I want to meet the certain end of this podcast. And so like a lot of His story is not a lot of his stories. But it seems like because of that, he felt there was some coincidence that could enable these characters to meet up and I'm talking specifically about one thing about one scene that I couldn't really suspend my disbelief on. And that was after Vogel had escapes and jumped in Korea's car core, his trunk and Cory was driving through a roadblock, key, goes to the back of his car after a cop pulls him over, looks at his papers and then asked to see in the trunk and then pretends that the dealer ship didn't give him the right key, so he can't open the trunk. And then as the cops like about to say something, a truck from behind them comes up and starts giving another cop trouble. So the guy who's helping Cory, like goes to this other truck to help sort out what's going on with them. And then another cop, who's at the head of the roadblock says, okay, move on. I hear that seemed a little bit too easy for me narratively, I didn't hate it. You know, also do my backhanded thing like, Oh, it was the 70s protocols might have been different. And yeah, these guys are French and the French policing is not is notoriously not the best. So well, I can do my backhanded. Like, it's not really a problem thing to know. Great. That's a small thing. It's probably the only thing I like really actually don't like Shawn, you've already talked about some of yours. Do your expedited Snopes notes version of your dislikes. I'm just gonna run through this real quick. We're we're more on short on time. And God, I just don't want to talk about this movie. I'll say super quick, super quick. What I'll say is that overall, one of the things and this is an unintentional dislike, it's not that the film is trying to do this or failing do this or whatever, it's just something that I have noticed is that I am a big fan of the movie heat and he works off a lot of this movie, I cannot deny that there are so many similarities. It's kind of astronomical. And I think that everything that this movie tries to do, he does it so much better and so much more interestingly and actually flushes the stuff out. I'm not gonna get into specifics because we don't have time and Yani hasn't seen heat. So and we're talking about this movie. I just want to bring that up because I honestly love hate so much and I think about that ending once a week. Great movie never gonna get picked because I can't imagine Jani not liking it. But anyways, my first dislike is Jani. What does that picture we got here. What is it? Inspector clues oh not Peter Sellars, but the Steve Martin one from the Panther remake in 2005 or three whatever year it was, yeah, not the one with Beyonce in it. So inspector clue. So obviously inspector Cousteau is not in this movie. But we have another French detective in this movie who well not a bumbling idiot like clue. So definitely by any means definitely moves like a bumbling idiot. because let me tell you that man cannot run to save his life. He has multiple running scenes, whether it be our field, whether it be in hallways, and let me tell you, he's got the most awkward jog such a small thing. It adds up over time. You're talking about the dire ramaa last week, so don't even So between but here's the thing it adds up because between this guy's run between like I mentioned earlier when he's later on pretending to be a fence and wear his glasses in a nightclub at night and also in his hypothetical home at night. It just looks fucking ridiculous. It looks so silly and so small it's so small it I think, what are you going to maybe I should maybe I should pick ashes and diamonds so you can make fun of the fact that the main character wears sunglasses in that movie the whole time too because he spent months of his time underground in the Polish resistance during World War Two to the point where it damages on any sort of regular like, I'm just I'm going on a very I'm making a point by saying your dislike for the sunglasses is ridiculous and unfounded. I like which cat is here either. He's got these fucking cat like it's obviously it's obvious that he has he had a family at one point from all the photographs you see on his desk. I didn't I thought it was just a lame ass motherfucker This is a guy gave up this is a guy who works multiple days doesn't come back to see his cats for like three days in a row in two days at sometimes at some points. Yeah, he probably had a family that left him because he was more dedicated to his work than them. And so he's got this really sad, monotonous life, every time he comes home, you only see him come home twice, but he does the exact same thing comes home feeds the cats takes a shower or shave so we can go back to work. And the second, the second, the second instance where he couldn't find his cat. I thought one of the criminals was there and was going to get the upper hand on him. And I was like, oh, man, where we are in it right now. And it just doesn't happen kind of pointing. But I just want to say real quick, going back to what I was saying before about the running, I wrote and this is a call back to the toward the pharmacy episode I wrote, that's how you run stuff. Can you run fast? What's your third thing? And then he says, fuck you just finish. Okay, you already said your second thing last. I didn't think it was that smart. But he's kind of he's not a dummy, but he's not the smartest. Last thing is Eonni What do I have a picture of I actually had to make a little meme of this. So you would get it. This is a screen grab from a quiet place where john Krasinski has his hand over his son's mouth and over john Krasinski, you see the caption Melville and over his son, you see the caption actors. Yeah, that's implying that Melville forced all the actors to not say anything, pretty much. I mean, there's so many, I guess, it's while he's sneezing, and I have a moment to outline it. It's so great. It's a slow burn. It's, you know, the fact that it works as well as it does without dialogue is even more inspiring. So here's how, I am totally fine with your movies, not having dialogue. I love Leoni. I love the opening of the good, the bad, the ugly, and what you have like 10 minutes of no dialogue, it's beautiful. It's great. I just think if you're going to have no dialogue, you have to justify it whether it be what's happening in the scene doesn't require dialogue. And when I say reply, I mean like into a into a jewelry store. No, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about other scenes for example, when they were prepping for it, there's this dude they knitting everything together and they had they were just packing everything up. So what did they have to talk about? necessarily need to talk on show but I'm saying backstory. Why am I let me make my point. I'm just trying to say that if you're going to make the conscious choice in the medium of film, and which characters are consistently not one scene, not two scenes, but consistently throughout your movie and I stress movie, not film, but movie failed. I know that Jani, but Phil, if you're gonna make that choice, Scott, then it's a film it has to be more justified and has to work more within the content context of the film. Sorry, movie totally. And I just do not feel like between it's a it's about characterised with the cinematography, cinematography between all the me's and sand between everything that is provided in this movie, that the lack of dialogue is justified. It's about a bunch of it just feels I practice criminals. It's, it's about a bunch of dispassionate practice criminals who don't need to say anything who understand that maybe it's sometimes smarter to say nothing at all, instead of anything. I think it's it's just intelligent. It's so it's such a smart choice. Now, and it really it you say it doesn't work within the context of the film. Within the cinematography, I'd say, with the austerity of the cinematography, the austerity of color, the austerity of performance, obviously, the austerity of austerity of dialogue is going to fit in there. I don't really have a huge second dislike, I don't have a third. I'll tell you that much. My second thing vogels character wasn't terribly fleshed out. Yeah, but the thing is, he kind of only exists as an entrance into the whole endeavors downfall. He's kind of just there so you can get a step into Mateos life Matty's life. And then also so you can like look at the police side of things. Fogle's not the most interesting character. He's okay. He's kind of just the third man, the guy who's there to help out with the heist. It's really more about Cory Johnson and matej There we go. Final thoughts, Shawn, final thoughts. I hated this movie. The first time I tried to watch it. I absolutely hated it. The second time I tried to watch it I did actually finish it. And you know what, not as bad as the first time I watched it, having the context and knowing what I was getting into my my expectations are so lowered that and then up being not as miserable of an experience as I thought it was going to Maybe it was okay. There were some things I semi liked. Not a whole lot, but semi so as far as writing is concerned, Jani, what did you give Ocean's 12? Last week? Do you remember? I don't know. I probably gave it like a high five like a 5.8 or 5.9. Okay, since we don't know exactly what you gave it, and because I don't believe in decimals like you, I'm just gonna give it a flat five. It's a five five out of 10 could God I was going to take the time to compare this movie to a croque monsieur which is a French sandwich with Beshear male grew year ham and country style bread. But you're not worth it. But the listeners aren't what are we watching? Give it to the listeners? No, nothing's worth it anymore. He's wrong. He's horribly painfully disdainfully wrong. What are we watching? Alright, Jani. So next week, I was thinking about what's a good transition. Right? So if three fugitives was still on the table, that would have been a perfect movie cuz we got a French director. We got bank robbers, it would have been perfect, but unfortunately, I picked that movie. So I was going through a list of movies and add a couple objectives in mind. I thought, Okay, number one, I got to pick a movie that Jani is going to hate more than Bloodsport, a movie that's going to get a lower rating than Bloodsport. Also I want to keep it within the Frenchness that we have, but I'm getting a little tired of watching all these criminals and all these heists, so instead, I want to focus on law enforcement going back. I also want to pick a movie that is gonna make you beg me to want to rewatch Ocean's 12 instead of this movie. So I picked a movie that segues off of this because it takes place in France, but like Ocean's 12 it is a another sequel to a 1960s rebooted caper franchise. So y'all No, wait, no, no week. No, I che texted me about this pink panther to the Steve Martin one. CASS What? What? Have you even seen the originals? What we're watching Pink Panther two. with Steve Martin. You can't know You can't be serious. No. Are Watching Pink Panther too. It has it has you as Eddie Garcia again you yourself can no Cinemax you. Fuck you and your your your stupid fat fucking face. Fuck you too, buddy. I'm done.