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After watching the Pink Panther reboot with Steve Martin, Giannis and Sean go back to the original series that started it all: Return of The Pink Panther with Peter Sellars.
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Hello, this is Sean and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review podcast. Before we get started, please make sure to like follow subscribe, write a review of this podcast wherever you are listening right now and please be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram. All those are linked in the description. Enjoy the episode. Hello and welcome to fuck your opinion. My name is Sean and joining me is my co host Hi, Scotto here,
Giannis:y'all doing tonight today? Actually, you could listen to podcasts anytime of the day. Right now it's night for us. But hypothetically, you could be listening to this in the morning or at noon, right on the dot from where 1159 turns in to 12 you could be listening to this in both the morning and the night. Possibly you're done. Yes.
Sean:You know, Jani? You remind me of a four letter word. And you're full of it.
Giannis:Kurt. I'm full of Kurt. Is that the four word four letter word. I'm full of
Sean:your fallen Kurt Russell. Kurt Russell. All up in you, man.
Giannis:I wish
Sean:so man. Yeah, it is not
Giannis:that I'm into that. But it's Kurt Russell.
Sean:You know the alternate joke I had right there was that you we are like the duo and call me by your name and you're the the armie hammer half of it. And thank you. I don't know that that's so much of a compliment anymore. You know considering the
Giannis:So who are you the dad
Sean:a true armie hammer these days? Shit Timothy, show me Everyone loves Timothy shallow made these days. Yeah, I
Giannis:know. So why would you be Timothy shallow? Me if everyone loves the person, the character that Do you understand where I'm coming from? You just
Sean:say cuz I'm a likeable person, and you're a cannibal.
Giannis:I'm a cannibal. But I've also just got some sick abs. If that's if cannibalism is what it takes to get armie hammer is abs. Sean. Next time you visit, you're not leaving. I mean, I've already told you you're not leaving for multiple Ria, I'm just going to take care of a lot of stablish a bunch of birds with one stone, I'm going to get like there's going to be like a whole bushel full of birds. And I'm just going to drop a bowling ball into it. That's what you visiting is going to be like, Yeah, I just went bird genocide.
Sean:Fox. We've been talking for a couple minutes. I haven't even said what this podcast is. This is what are we doing? We watch movies, we review movies, we we also trade one another's lives. What we did well you do that? You're like the Herbert Long You are the Dreyfus in which you threaten me, and I just make your life miserable. But back to what the back what what we did was
Giannis:drop this sweet, then you're the sergeant he shoots in this in this movie.
Sean:I'm the clue. So obviously, but I know like No, I don't want to be here. No, but here's the thing. Here's what we do on this podcast. We pick movies for each other, we trade off back and forth. Each week. One week I pick a movie one week Yani picks a movie, but the thing is, we have really fucking different tastes. So usually, if one of us loves a movie, the other one's gonna hate it. And what we do is do this in that torture of the other person. We just, you know, soak it in, soak in and just absolutely just adore when we make someone else the in this case, I guess me make me cry. I didn't really cry so much as i was just past that. I've already watched this movie recently. But because we took a month off, I had to remind myself remind myself what happened. I had to rent it. So I had to spend $4 to watch this fucking movie that I know I don't like again because of you. That's pretty funny.
Giannis:That's pretty funny to me. Anyway. Yani should have just taken notes the first time. Well, this this episode. It's
Sean:good to do this. I took casual notes. Why
Giannis:didn't you anticipate it? Why didn't you anticipate me getting sick? You should have done that.
Sean:Okay, first of all. I watched five Pink Panther movies in a row. You think I'm gonna just they all blend together. Alright, so I actually made my points before I rewatched it because I already knew what my points were by. I had to watch it again. So I just knew really specifically so I can actually talk about it. articularly but Windows NT Why leave it off for a month.
Giannis:Why haven't we recorded for three weeks. Three weeks, three weeks ago?
Sean:It was February. So
Giannis:A month. No, that's not how it works. Anyways, three weeks ago, I decided that we were going to watch the return of the Pink Panther in response to Sean's choice of pink panther to the Steve Martin movie from 2000 I do stress movie by the way 2009 and you think this is a
Sean:film you think return
Giannis:fell by your standards return to the Pink Panther is absolutely a movie I will not say it is not what it is. It knows it knows and it wants to be a movie. Here's the difference there is a conscious choice when decision trying to be fucking
Sean:high art.
Giannis:It actually gave it gave clues Oh an arc. You don't do that with clues. Oh, clues? Oh just fails upwards. That's the whole point. Well, no, it does. It
Sean:doesn't do it. We'll get into anyway, we're still on why we've
Giannis:been off from came sick, I became I was the sickest I've ever been in my adult life.
Sean:That's why you just don't lick the bottom of your shoes.
Unknown:It's not that I have. And the other thing is, I have no idea how I caught this because this is this is a virus that is normally spread by children under 10. It's highly contagious. But after you hit that point, you the possibility for contagion just plummets. So I have no idea how I contracted this thing. But I did. It's one of those. It's one of those viruses where the older you get it, the older you get it, the worse the symptoms become, the more it escalates. And so I got that and I was just knocked on my back for a solid 10 days straight. Got it about two or three days before we were supposed to record. So there you go. That's why and then not that this actually delayed us at all. But two days ago, I threw my back out because I was so weak from lying down for 10 days. So there you go. That's why we were delayed. It's because Jani couldn't possibly have sat up and argued with Sean because ani didn't sleep for about five ays. He also didn't eat solid ood for about seven days. Wow, hat's such a sob story. You now, while you were being an nproductive shit,
Sean:I was recording video reviews. I've been pumping them out like one a day. So folks, if you want to watch just me the reviews, just go to our YouTube channel And be like, Man, that guy's doing the real work. This Yani guy is doing nothing for the channel, he's not participating whatsoever. I also did my taxes and is going off Are you being lazy and weak, pathetic person, I got a pull up bar, Oh, you got to pull up bar, I got to pull up bar and I can do how
Giannis:you got to pull up bar, you can do half a pull up. That's amazing. Pull, I can't wait to to write to your pull up bar and ask in a year to write to your pull up bar and ask how it's been living underneath your bed for 11 months, I as you're going to use it for all of a month and then it's just going to disappear. It's slowly going to become crowded by the clutter underneath your bed and subsumed into the dust and other detritus that reside beneath your mattress.
Sean:longtime listeners have an idea that I have chronic arm pain, right? And it's something that I've been trying to resolve and fix for the past like two years now.
Giannis:So this is actually not yourself too much. No, we all know what it is. It's not
Sean:anyways, chronic something pull the pull apart. Just don't give me this shit. The pull up bar is has actually become an instrumental part of my stretching routine that I do like 10 to 12 times a day you do Hey,
Giannis:wait, are you telling me you do hang ups? You don't do pull ups you just you hang you just hang there? Is that what you're about to tell me? No,
Sean:I my feet are firmly planted on the ground and they have a one arm
Giannis:you're not even hanging now. You're just you use it to stretch like you could with a wall.
Sean:No, it's different. It's it. Trust me when I say that stretching between little things can be so nuanced and it's differences I don't want to get and belabor this too much but
Giannis:this is be laboring it has been be labored.
Sean:I'm just saying this stretch helps me a lot and I actually really need it so don't say I fucking put it under my bed and I have a goal to actually start doing pull ups. But if I start doing that right now I've been hurt myself. I'm sorry Johnny
Giannis:so I picked to return to the Pink Panther in spite of Sean because he made me watch Pink Panther too. It was gonna hold did a total disservice to the character and to the legacy that those great those great movies left. So I thought no, we need to watch Jani his favorite Pink Panther movie. Just quick side note quick disclaimer here. I've only seen three of the five original sellers pink Panthers. I think it's fine. I have 612345 I think it's actually like six. Yeah, I've only seen like three of them so I've only seen half so I can't you have shot in the dark pink panther and then return to the Pink Panther Revenge of the Pink Panther.
Sean:You have Pink Pink Panther shot in the dark returning to the Pink Panther Pink Panther strikes again
Giannis:Revenge of the doing Panther revenge and then oh eight. Oh no. No, it's I'm only counting the Peter Sellers once I don't count your Sal and then but
Sean:the trail The Pink Panther was made after his death and included deleted scenes
Giannis:that don't come on. Come on. No,
Sean:I don't think it legitimately counts but it is no it doesn't actually it technically it has
Giannis:six it's six. I've only seen three of the six
Sean:I mean considering the plot of this movie that's what you might as well anyways, take out deleted scenes that have nothing to do with the story as a plot men they loved it.
Unknown:I love her The Pink Panther it's one of the probably one of the first comedies that I can remember watching as a kid. And I've come back to it. Well actually I came back to it over and over and over again. Because when we were kids, we my family drove around in this giant van that you can actually like stand up and that was how my parents conveyed us all over the all over the country. And in this giant van I think it was like a GM see whatever it is discovery event. You had a small screen television. It was like maybe all 14 inches and then a VHS player. And we had maybe like six VHS is that we watched half of them were veggietales. One was Empire Strikes Back and then return to the Pink Panther was another one. I can't tell you the sixth one. It escapes my mind right now. No, nevermind. It was Balto. Balto was the sixth one. But revenge return to the Pink Panther was in there. And we watched that until it broke. And then for like 10 years, 10 or 15 years. I didn't see it. I didn't watch that movie at all things got in the way. You know, I became a man I started discovering women. So took me a while to come back around to close the loop. But I did. And I have to say I still love it granted now, as an adult watching it again. I'm going to admit from the very getgo This is not a perfect movie at all. there are flaws. It is a flawed movie. It is still hilarious. And for that reason. Well it's still hilarious. Peter Sellars is still great. I'd spent 90% of the time just laughing hysterically during this. And for that reason, I'm gonna give it about a 7.7 it's not an it's not a definitely not lower than 7.5. Wow, that's high. 7.7. Sean, there you go. What do we o now?
Sean:Okay, so next you explained why you chose it. You gave a rating. So now I give a plot summary. In order to this my Plot summary for this movie, in order to spice up her marriage and rescue her husband from his quote unquote boredom, a woman frivolously and recklessly steals a precious diamond, framing her husband for the theft and getting several people hurt, arrested and killed along the way. including her husband, who is almost killed multiple times. Also, I forgot Sorry, guys, because this is a pink panther movie inspector clue. So is there too. He is there. He's doing something. I don't really know what he's doing. But what he is certainly not doing is contributing to the plot or story at all.
Giannis:No, no, you're not you're not wrong. He doesn't really do it. He his presence does save them does save Sir Charles and Lady Charles. In the end. His presence does wind up saving Charles what indirectly that regardless? I don't know about that. For sure. He wasn't necessarily
Sean:early didn't seem too concerned.
Giannis:He didn't seem too concerned. But epclusa wasn't there. Dreyfus wouldn't have tried to shoot him. And he wouldn't have missed any wouldn't have hit. The guy from
Sean:Claire Caruso is not the one who saved.
Giannis:No, it's just a clue. so happened to be there. And his presence by virtue of the fact that his boss was trying to murder him and was a very poor shot, did wind up saving the day and then eventually also getting him a promotion? Yes, that's those things save
Sean:face by checking his fly to see if it zipped.
Unknown:Yes, that is exactly that is perfect. That is great. And that is why I love this movie. One of the reasons why I love it. So now here's just a quick Plot summary for you. Pink Panther is a very valuable diamond. It's got a small imperfection when light shines through it. It looks like a Panther, Pink Panther about to leap that's why the diamonds called The Pink Panther. somebody steals it. It's like the national gem of this fictional country that's supposed to be Algeria. Named Lou gash, someone steals it and they leave a glove with a pee on it clue so recognize calusa was brought in by Lou gash to investigate the robbery. He recognizes the P is the Phantom who is Sir Charles Litton played by Christopher Plummer. He goes and he investigates and at the same time Christopher Plummer is told or Christopher Plummer his character, so Charles Linton realizes he's being framed he goes to investigate Lou gash while Caruso goes to investigate Hibbs, his wife in, in France, I believe they live in Nice. And then over the course of like the next hour or so. Christopher Plummer realizes that his wife was the one who stole the diamond and framed him everybody converges at a hotel in Switzerland. And like we were talking about Dreyfus cursos boss attempting to kill him because clusaz just pushed him to the brink of insanity accidentally kills the secret sir Lukash Secret Service member who was pursuing Christopher Plummer and yeah clue so once up the director of an r&d small in Paris, I believe. I left out a lot there's a lot of there's kind of some, you know, some complications there with with Lou gash Secret Service and all that. But Sean likes it. Sean ikes brevity. I kept it short s short as I could. You got the are bones. You got what you eeded, folks. Yeah. And that's t. That's all we got. We go on o the favorite aspects now.
Sean:Thank you for your brevity. Now, there's actually something there's a little something we do right before the favorite
Giannis:aspects. Okay, I don't get why do we do this? Why do we even do this at this point? Why? I'm asking you. I'm not asking you.
Sean:I make sure to keep it in. Because I always want to do it. Yani What do what what? What are we talking about? What's next? What's the next category?
Giannis:It's the celestial seasonings aphorism of the week.
Sean:Something like that. It's the yogi green tea quote of the day. So folks, my Yogi green tea and fun fact for all you listeners and he does stress Yogi I've been lying to the whole time. I actually very rarely in drinking Yogi green tea that's how this started. But now I just kind of pull quotes here on there just to fuck with another real life
Giannis:these are all Snapple
Sean:Snapple facts today's today's today's quote is did you know four quarters make $1 well that's getting the actual quote of the day is in the garden growth has it seasons for us come spring and summer but then we have fallen winter and then we get back to spring and summer again. Wow,
Giannis:that's really deep.
Sean:Thank you. That's actually from being there. A far superior peer to sellers movie.
Giannis:I actually haven't seen being there
Sean:but you haven't seen being there. What are
Giannis:you what did you text What did you text me while you're watching it? You said this is either genius or the worst thing I've ever seen something like that. Yes.
Sean:Okay, I can't
Giannis:we're not gonna get into being there. No, I know nothing about it.
Sean:Okay, folks,
Giannis:I want to keep it that way.
Sean:Yeah, I I as being general as I can right now. Being there is the most it really screwed with me where I very few times do you watch a movie and you're not actually sure what's going on? And this is a movie that really surprised me and then when you actually figure out everything, like Oh my fucking god, this is genius. Because at first I'm like, at first I thought it was something else. And anyways, yeah, it's a top notch Peter Sellers movie. It's a top notch performance. Yani later is going to talk about how nuanced Peter Sellers is and as close I'm not
Giannis:gonna say his nuanced as clues. Oh, at all. He's not.
Sean:You said that last week. He's not necessarily sambat
Giannis:not in this movie. He's nuanced than the other ones. But watching this again,
Sean:nuanced and the very first Pink Panther
Giannis:heat. No, he takes it to another level in this one to a whole different level, but we'll
Sean:talk about that later. My point was is going to be that his role and being there is very nuanced and very smart and very clever. That's all okay. Anyway, it's
Giannis:fun things.
Sean:Johnny, what's your first favorite aspect? I'm not looking at you. Okay,
Unknown:so So what Sean forgot o do was introduce this next ection what we do after that tupid greeting quote, we say hat are three favorite aspects?
Sean:Four times
Giannis:before we really get at one another's next with the least favorite aspects. Yeah, favorite aspect of it, just in general, is just the idea that you can take this heist, this high sort of action movie, and then also marry it with this totally screwball absurd, absurd comedy movie, and make it work so well. It's that it's this very unique tone that the that the Pink Panther has The Pink Panther movies have, but specifically returned to the Pink Panther. And it's just really impressive how they do it. I there are a number of ways that it happens. Part of it's just, you know, the acting clues. Oh, on one side, you've got Peter Sellers doing something like, you know, duck soup, like he's one of the Marx Brothers. And then on the other side, you have Christopher Plummer, who looks like he belongs in a Bond film, and they're just put together into the same movie. And you Sean's gonna tell you it doesn't work. I'm sure he's going to tell you. No, it's it's stupid. It's lame. It's just so miscalculated. Whatever, he's wrong about it. Thanks. And I think, you know, honestly, I think, yeah, no, you're just you are you just flat out wrong, you you know, other there are times where I can say objectively that I think that you're off and, you know, maybe I'll provide like evidence to to reduce to that. But right now, I can just say, unequivocally you are wrong about how you feel about the tone of this movie. It just works really well. It moves along at a great pace. The music is a big part of what establishes the tone and keeps that pace going. The The Pink Panther soundtrack, or the score is just iconic. Everybody knows that even if you haven't seen the movies, you know, the Pink Panther score, data, data, data data. Yeah, you know that
Sean:he had do that I we don't have the rights to that soundtrack. We can Okay, I can't copyright
Giannis:that. Budda Budda Budda
Sean:music licensing. I know you can't do that. God damn it. So anyways, yeah,
Giannis:in it, just to bring that all together. Yes. One of the things I absolutely love about the Pink Panther films, movies, they are movies I have to correct myself. See, I just have this penchant for calling.
Sean:No films. phenomenology is anything that's pretentious as film and anything that's dumb as movies.
Giannis:Yeah, that's, that's Sean's glossing right there. That's how we gloss all over it. That's not how I feel at all. But this movie isn't trying to say anything. It knows it's not trying to say anything. It doesn't try to force a way of saying something to make any statement moralizing? Nothing. It doesn't try to say a single thing. It has no opinions. And I love that. It's just it's there to be fun to be funny and
Sean:to be enjoy onions for sure. But you know,
Unknown:no, Sean, it has some ated opinions. It has some ated opinions that once you cknowledge that, Oh, this is a ovie that's almost 50 years ld. So naturally, they're going o say and do some things that ren't politically correct now. eah, get over it. get past it. e calls Cato his little yellow riend. It's literally the only hing you're talking about. You know, I wrote in a no, I was gonna say this at the top. But in the past month, a lot of people when cancelled, Chris Harrison has been cancelled Woody Allen, I mean, obviously has Chris Harrison from the bachelor, Woody Allen, obviously, Dr. Seuss has been cancelled to a degree and like, you know, yani, I don't want to lead you into this, because I don't want you to get cancelled, because I hope to make money off of you one day. So I can't necessarily lose you right now. As you know, you know, I'm what brings everyone in the moneymaker here. Now you can't get rid of money. You can't lose me. But the point the point is, I didn't want you to cancel. But I also want you to know from the deepest from my heart that if you say something out of order that says you get a lot of flak for I'm not going to defend you what whatsoever, I'm going to immediately throw you under the bus I've dealt, I don't doubt anybody out here, just that kind of person. You're definitely going to be that person going under right away. So the point I know you have no spine. It's all right. Yeah, no, I always say is that I get what you're saying. I strongly disagree. They knew in the moment that was data and well not that was dated, but that was racist and offensive. This is the same director who did Breakfast at Tiffany's. And I don't know how you can defend that. So yeah, no, no, I can't defend that. But there's a big difference between doing yellow face and then calling you know, a Frenchman a satire By the way, a parody of like a mixed up parody between poro and just the icon Like New Wave Frenchmen have both of those mixed up to have that character say it. Yeah, you know, honestly, it really isn't that bad. It's nowhere near as bad as having Mickey Rooney do yellow face and then with the buck teeth and this is awful. I haven't even gotten my first fucking like, and it's 30 minutes into it because you don't deserve to have a like, I'll just say that you are wrong. You deserve anything and you are racist. But that's it. Yeah, that's besides the point. Anyways, my first like, oh, sorry, sorry, I just want to say real quick, because you were saying I was going to disagree with your first point. I'll just say a real quick. Yeah, I strongly disagree. I wrote in my notes, this film is trying to pretend that James Bond and Looney Tunes can somehow work together, but they're in two totally different films. Totally. This is not like a kung fu hustle where they blended together seamlessly. This is a movie that says okay, no, they do blend it together and one and you're on the other end and plenty of slapstick performer side slightly but not a whole lot. Oh, plenty of he abuses Pepe. Yes. And he abuses bankers for no reason slimeball. criminal. Yes, yeah, the slimeball criminal who actually doesn't do anything to him he just who is no he's he does turret he was going to turn him over. He had a gun. He was going to betray him. Yeah, but this is after Christopher Plummer broke four of his fingers. So this was no he was when he broke three of his fingers. Fat Man broke the other one that doesn't make it much better. Anyways, moving on to my like, which is the highest, the highest and the beginning is really fucking good. I made a note in the last circle rouge episode that we did a couple weeks ago, that I am often kind of hard on high scenes a lot of times particularly older, Sean's an expert, not that I'm not an expert. I'm just saying that you have to have some kind of cleverness to it and tension. And a lot of them fall short on expectations and don't have the kind of spectacle. Like for example, The Italian Job love the movie, The Heist itself is more of like a smash and grab. That's kind of disappointing, because it's not really clever. But this movie has a really smart fun heist. It's very well thought out. It has a lot of little details like when the thief has to go underneath the lasers. Are they called lasers or sensors or whatever? It's a light sensor. It's not a laser. Yeah, so so the thief has to use a crossbow to drag themselves across, but also not great wax the floor wax on the floor and they felt like it's smart. It's clever. It's really exciting. So yeah, I thought that was a really great opening heist. The score is also the score is fantastic. It's just for a lot of it. It's all just like bongos The score is great. And also going off of a note you were pissed off at me for with the circle rouge I said, Oh, just because they don't use sound doesn't mean mean it's a scene with a lot of tension. This was actually even though I know it's much shorter halfway through this heist when it gets really intense. That's when the sound really depth you can hear a pin drop, but that's also when things can fall crashing to the ground like the thief lifts a glass the glass case covering that Pink Panther diamond. And that's when you go oh fuck this might drop at any second and that's when score drops off. And that's when you can hear a pin drop and that's when there's a lot of tension in the air. Yeah, I think you can have tension in both situations and you definitely do think you absolutely have such tension in both situations. I think it's more impressive to have it without the music I will say I think I'm personally as a viewer more impressed when I feel less manipulated by what I'm seeing. And no matter how much I do like this heist It is a great highest I agree with you and I love the score. I will say the score does manipulate you it does manipulate the experience it changes the way you view it I do you know a score is used to manipulate an audience I didn't know that Oh, come on. But But for real, you know that the more the more you split up an individual's detent attention centrally the less they're going to pay attention to any one specific aspect and start paying attention to the whole picture the whole event in a more broad general sense but I'm totally fine with a movie manipulated mean that's the whole fucking point of watching a movie of a story. Yeah, and I'm what the thing is I What I'm saying is I think it's more impressive to be manipulated from fewer angles. Sure. Fine. I like the height. Yeah, my second like that's why a podcast is so impressive. You guys only got The audio you don't got the visual. So it's manipulating your opinion. Isn't that more impressive than anything? It's not manipulating opinion. It's manipulating. It's manipulating attention. attentiveness. I'm mocking you. That's what I'm doing. Yeah, but See, the thing is, I'm not wrong. And you know, I'm not wrong. I think you're wrong to a degree. But anyways, Nick, I think you're wrong in every degree. What's the second thing you like? Eonni. Okay, so the second thing I like is actually in response to one of Sean's dislikes, because he said, He's gonna say something and one of his dislikes what she's absolutely wrong about. And oh, my this is going at Sean. Sean really likes to h ng on the point that this is a s ries of films, and he thinks t at there needs to be like this c ntinuity between all of them. H wever, it doesn't make any fucking sense. However, it's an episodic series, the only the only thing that carries over from serious desert from from film to film from movie to movie, are things actually Dreyfuss, incluso and Kato you have like those three. And then you have a character who co who shows up in three of the movies, and is played by the same actor twice. But not in this film. In this movie. In this movie, it's Christopher Plummer. And it's good. But it doesn't matter. each one's episodic. It's Who cares if his wife runs off? If Christopher Plummer not even countering the point before you hold on, hold on. Who cares? Who cares if somebody runs off with somebody's wife In the previous movie, and then they don't even acknowledge it in the next movie, it doesn't matter. The only thing that's consistency is there is no consistency, or there is a very limited amount of consistency. And for that reason, I think you can walk into return to the Pink Panther, and watch it without any sort of previous information and understand it perfectly as a standalone film. And I think you can understand you can enjoy it even more. This is what I wrote my notes, especially when it dawns on you that these films are episodic, that they don't care about continuity, and that they are not meant to be taken seriously. Kind of in the same way. Kind of in the same like fuck you for caring way. Like you know that Ocean's fucking 12? Does Sean kind of like in he exact same way on very tandalone?
Sean:I mean, built on spirit.
Giannis:Yeah, I mean, it's standalone, it builds off 11. But it also doesn't care about the viewer, it doesn't care that the heist doesn't matter at all, because they just stole it from a guy riding a train. It doesn't care. It's just supposed to be that Louis it's commentary, whatever. Yeah, and this knows its tone to shot. This isn't it's not the thing, man. You know, you may want it to be the Thin Man, but it's not trying to be the thin man. It's the Pink Panther series. And its calling card is nutty, absurd, smart, but also kind of dumb slapstick parody and cooperate. So just leave it alone. It doesn't wasn't it's not gonna be what you want it to be. It's gonna be its own thing. And so if you don't like it, you just don't like that it is the way it is. Okay, there's not what you want to be.
Sean:There's a lot going on there. So first of all, the first two aren't even that slapstick II they are to a degree but not to this level. This is a whole nother level.
Giannis:Second of all changes completely after this one too. They totally they changed the tone. It gets more slap sticky, and it gets more crazy and absurd. And that's fine. It can do that. Because shot in the dark also wasn't like pink panther shot in the dark was different, very different.
Sean:Here's the thing, like when you say you got to acknowledge it is in the franchise that it is a you didn't give Ocean's 12. That kind of credit when you're watching it, you kind of just shat on it. That's number one. But more importantly, I hate that argument because essentially the equivalent argument of when people watch a big blockbuster, and they're like, Well, what do you expect it was? It's a dumb film, like people will often say this is a dumb action film. This is meant to be stupid. This is silly, but I enjoyed it, despite it being dumb. Where in actuality it's not always dumb. There's actually intelligence to it. It's just in a goofy, silly tone. So I think you know, there's intelligence behind it thoroughly say this is a dumb movie. I'm not gonna say that.
Giannis:It's intentionally does the characters do it? The main character is a bumbling foolish dice conscience who's written to do consciously stupid things?
Sean:Yeah, but I just hate the idea of using as like a scapegoat excuse for a Why have a movie movie can't compare to something with an Oscar pedigree, even if the film with an Oscar pedigree is an actual piece of shit, you know? Oh, like what? Ocean's 12. No, I'm saying let's say if I compared this just off the top my head right? If I compare the fast in the last Fast and Furious movie, so let's say Hobbs and Shaw to Eddie Murphy's, Mr. Church. I'm just thinking about Eddie Murphy right now because I saw coming to America, Mr. Church is moving came out a couple years ago was supposed to be, you know, for Oscars, I think he maybe he was nominated for a Golden Globe or something. And it's like, oh, well, that movie automatically has more importance because it's dealing with more important subject matter. Whatever. According to your definition is a movie. It's a film, right? Or a fast, furious is a movie, but that keeping in mind
Giannis:that I've also said you can have garbage films and great movies.
Sean:I know I'm just saying as a general, I'm not necessarily talking to you right now. I'm just saying that it just annoys me when people think one has no merit just by the what inherently is where it takes a lot of energy and effort and thought to make it you know, make action scene is great to do great comedy, etc. But I'm segwaying too much because I want to talk about the actual point which you got before so can I do you want me to save it for later? Do you want me just get into it?
Giannis:No, just do it. Now we're gonna get into it now.
Sean:Okay, cool. So the first time I watched this movie, I was watching all the films in order back to back and I was so confused because the thing is Christopher Plummer, who plays Sir Charles as Jani alluded to, is played by a different actor than he David is and he was David Nevins played him originally, but what you got to realize this is not like a Terrence Howard Don Cheadle recasting that that's an Iron Man bet this recasting takes an actor who was like 20 years younger and makes them almost an entirely different character.
Giannis:After 11 years, there are 11 years between the first Pink Panther and return of 11 years This isn't like a Terrence Howard, Don Cheadle. It's been two years thing. A whole decade passed before they made this memory.
Sean:That's why it makes even less sense that this man who should technically be in his 60s is in his 40s it made jokes they
Giannis:rewrote the character entirely. They gave him a wife that is
Sean:a character Why couldn't be a new character?
Giannis:Why couldn't it not? Why can't they just rewrite the character and change everything? here's
Sean:here's why.
Giannis:What's the problem with that?
Sean:Okay, let me finish. Here's why it's further compounding to be confusing in the original Pink Panther Sir Charles has a nephew who is mid 20s right? So age wise, this guy could theoretically be Sir Charles his nephew, and it's not really confirmed in the beginning. It takes a while to actually confirm that it's Sir Charles but then also going off of the original. What the original is basically a comedic romp in which clue so his wife is sleeping with Sir Charles and basically is having an affair with Sir Charles and Sir Charles nephew. Well, clue so is just, you know, being a moron and not picking up on the hints and event at the end. She runs off with Sir Charles. So this movie takes place even though you said 11 years this movie takes place like four years after that, right? There is no he'd been retired by four years. Anyway, he's been
Giannis:retired for like four or five years, whatever. So what they don't bring. They don't bring up the nephew either. The nephew doesn't come into play.
Sean:They don't bring up the nephew. But the point is that clue so his wife and also I think this didn't bother me as much but qussuk gets arrested at their at the end of the original Pink Panther and he goes to jail, whatever, I don't care about that. But he's
Giannis:not in jail in the beginning of the next one.
Sean:It makes no sense that how the continuity with Dreyfuss and Kaito but then at the same time, say oh, we're gonna recast Sir Charles and it's like, clue so's wife never existed in the first place. Because the girl the girlfriend, the wife, whoever his partner is, is I first I'm like, did they recast her to? And I want
Giannis:to seem like the kind of person who does Evil Dead because the Evil Dead did the exact same thing. The exact same thing. The Evil Dead. The Evil Dead totally redid its history. Every time they met it every time they made it. They changed the history a little and little more.
Sean:Yeah, but there's got to be some kind of acknowledgement like I wrote in my notes.
Giannis:No, they don't acknowledge it. And the Evil Dead. They don't acknowledge it. They just run with it shop at esmart. He didn't work at esmart until the third one right? He didn't work an Army of Darkness.
Sean:I can't remember but that might just been like a retcon we're adding it back. I mean, this is all totally different. This is abandoning threads. I mean like the crew so not care about his wife and I also made
Giannis:this in this movie. I don't think he has a wife. I don't think he has a wife in this movie. She's not here sir. Tron is not known Ito, Sir Charles? Stadler, Charles, because there was well, in the beginning of this in the beginning of return, which is why I think it works as a standalone they just say he's the one who caught the original who found the original Pink Panther who caught the Pink Panther and they know what it
Sean:is. The original
Giannis:today just saying they don't say like, hey, he caught the pig, he found the Pink Panther. And also the Sir Charles went and ran off with his wife. But we're not gonna the wife was there, but now she's gone. So, you know, we're just gonna leave the dry, dry there
Sean:like I wrote in the notes
Giannis:or Guess what, it's even easier not to bring it up to.
Sean:Right now I wrote in the notes that you could have easily done like an aunt live in Fresh Prince of Bel Air. So if you don't know that listeners, essentially they recast aunt live halfway through the show.
Giannis:Viv and Vivian Yeah, you said I say live. You said les. I apologize. You can't trust this man. He can't even remember.
Sean:Ah, there, they recast her. And I forgot which character but when the characters sees the new actress and says, Viv you look different. It's like a wink and a nod to the audience. And there's no further acknowledgement. I wish there was at least like oh, what happened to my wife? Oh, we got a divorce, even if it's a one offline, but for neither character to ever do. I also need to explain him going to jail and getting out of jail. No
Giannis:and then being assigned. Marking duty.
Sean:No, none
Giannis:of it's important. That's what's important here because he doesn't come back at the end and say like, oh, Charles wooden It's a shame that you stole my wife and then dropped her so you could date this other beautiful woman. It's such a shame that you did that. No, they don't matter introduce
Sean:the clue so that the women are first introduced a clue. So he's trying to give a violation to a blind man and a monkey. Right. And it's great.
Giannis:It's so funny.
Sean:And the blind man is like, how do you know so much about city violations? And well, city ordinances clue sounds like this is a problem with the city ordinances. And that's a callback to shot in the dark. That's the joke and shot in the dark is hilarious. That joke is funny too. But to have weird callbacks like that, but not acknowledged the wife just blows my fun, niggling
Giannis:niggling you're nailing right now. You're not feeling
Sean:niggling when you nickel the fuck out of everything I do.
Giannis:But this because what I do, and actually it actually pertains to the movie that is its own self contained piece of art, not the other ones that preceded it.
Sean:But you can't.
Giannis:You can't. This isn't about having my cake and eating it too. This is about having my cake and also wanting to have a slice of apple pie later.
Sean:Well, here's the thing. Here's the thing Yani you didn't read out my full point. This is only half of that point of the dislike. The other half of the point was that you have two movies going on concurrently. You have the Sir Charles James Bond escapade, and then you have Hulu so literally diddling around bumbling around for literally the entire movie where there's no point to any of his plot. He's just doing antics and doing Wags.
Giannis:Yeah, you're right. He's doing he's doing a lot of disguises. But you're wrong. You're not getting you're not telling what is that you're not saying what is actually happening. what he's doing there is he's he's investigating the only lead he has, which is Sir Charles litens wife. He's following lady Litton to see if he can follow her and by that so it's so drawn out let me slow let me slow down. Let me back up.
Sean:You don't give me you don't give me the courtesy. You just walk over me every time okay. is firing her? He's
Giannis:pursuing her. He's trying to find Charles when he thinks obviously, follow the wife. She'll eventually take it to the husband. And actually, you know, in some way shape and form it does work out. He eventually does find Charles Litton at the very end so yeah, but it's so dry. He's He's bumbling around he's bumbling out he's doing like geysers
Sean:should be in the first act.
Giannis:Yeah, it Yeah. This is one of my complaints. I'm also going to tell you that that is probably one of the weaker parts of the movie. I don't disagree. However, we'll get into that later. You're right. Because I need to get to you need to get to your second like
Sean:Jesus for 15 minutes. Fuck this movie.
Giannis:I love this movie.
Sean:Quick audio footnote here. So I'm editing this episode right now. And let me tell you re listening to this argument. I am even more pissed than when I originally had it. Now in the past, I have sometimes a slightly added to my argument. Now it's very clear. I'll make an audio footnote. And Yani got all pissy about it last time when I did that for Notting Hill, because he said something quite problematic that I had You, you know step in and say hey, I'm not with this guy. Now, because this movie sucks and I don't need to really, this. It's not important. My counters. I'm not gonna make the counters. I just want you guys to know that I have other counters. I pass that in and say them I pass that Yani that he interrupts me every single fucking time I try and say, and you know, fuck Jani? Every time. I can say fuck Jani. I'm gonna say fuck Jani. So fuck Jani. My second like is Christopher Plummer. Christopher Plummer is fantastic in this film. I am iffy on his storyline, I can't deny that he is charming as fuck in his movie. I have to be perfectly honest, I've never really gotten the praise for Christopher Plummer. But granted that's because I've only seen a handful of his stuff in his later years like national treasure coming soon, guys. We're gonna do a national treasure episode eventually. But point is I'm like, I don't know about this Christopher Plummer guy. He is so great and charming in this movie. It's such a shame that he never played james bond. He's basically doing a spoof of Roger Moore's James Bond. And he's great at it. He looks dashing. He's very cunning. His suits are fantastic. He has this great white suit. For example, there's this one scene in the middle that he talks to this gang leader in lagash. The fat man, the fat man, and he's in this white suit.
Giannis:He looks great by today's standard color. Isn't that heavy?
Sean:Yeah. And his collars I noted are like so
Giannis:daggers hanging from his neck. Yeah,
Sean:I wrote. They're like wings. They're like wings to fly off, you know. But it's like, they look ridiculous, but awesome. At the same time. I also noted that in that Batman scene, he has a bit of an action scene. I really liked the action scene by waltz on I will note that one clearly, yeah, but also one of his punches very clearly did not land. It was like not even close.
Giannis:No, you're I know that what you're talking about. But I do want to point out and write about this action scene. There's this. There's one shot, there's this one take they do where he's running around the veranda on one side, and he's trying to escape goons. So he runs around to the other side, goes through a door but he comes back out. And because he's being pursued, and as he runs past a column, he must have stopped and the stunt double took over from there. Because right after he runs past this column, he runs down the veranda and jumps on to like, I don't know, is it some sort of cord or pole and then slides down into the courtyard below. It's clearly the stunt double. Maybe if they'd found somebody who looks a little bit more like Christopher Plummer, it could have been a little more impressive. But I like the idea of it. The idea of how they executed it was pretty cool to me.
Sean:I agree. I liked how it was executed, besides the punch, and besides Christopher plumbers Ron is running was just like, okay, like he was the suit was too tight on him. That's really at the end of the day. Okay. He knows how much flexibility
Giannis:he has a funny moment in this scene where to escape this den, the fat man's home, wherever this is, he jumps through a stained glass window, and he falls probably like two storeys, and he, he falls to the ground and he gets up and he's just so sore, and he's limping off. It's pretty funny. It's a pretty funny moment. And it's totally unexpected with especially with that kind of that really brief action sequence that directly preceded it. So yeah, that was something I thought of earlier. Christopher Plummer has some funny moments in this movie. You can't deny it outside of him just being witty ethic and dashing. Yeah, okay.
Sean:What's your next like?
Giannis:You know, the my three favorite parts of the movie? clue. So Sir Charles and Dreyfuss? I love Dreyfus I love Dreyfus so much I can't, I can't stress how great it is. That he is just so unabashedly on apologetically hateful of clue so to his face straight up to his face. He will say how much he hates him. He tells his therapist who we he accidentally chokes his therapist out explaining a dream where he kills clue so to him sounds
Sean:far funnier that it no
Giannis:it is as funny as it is because Herbert loam the guy who plays Dreyfuss just totally ramps it up in this one. He's crazier than he's ever been. He gets crazier after this movie too. But he's he's you know he's he's twitching he's
Sean:because the Bond villain and next one
Giannis:and that's great. He starts out as a as a chief inspector and it becomes like this ravenous murdering psychopath by like the fifth one. I don't understand why you can't like
Sean:starts off as a murdering psychopath. No, and the first one is shot in the dark. He kills 10 people Okay, that's
Giannis:not a no. No, he gets worse. He's pretty bad at this one.
Sean:He gets crazier but he doesn't get it.
Giannis:No, he doesn't. But Dreyfus the whole time. Clue, so is being sabotaged. Like somebody pulls out the the brakes in his truck twice. So he falls into a pool, somebody attempts to shoot him. And at the very end, you find out that Oh, it's been it's been inspected Dreyfus the whole time has been trying to murder him. Fantastic. Sir Charles, like Sean said, He's dashing Christopher Plummer is dashing. He's funny, he's witty. He's got some great wardrobe. clue. So Peter Sellars is inimitable. Really, he is he? He, I know Blake Edwards officially created the character but it was incluso until Peter Sellars stepped into the trench coat in the in the hat and the fake mustache. his comedic timing is great. His slapstick is hilarious. His parody of the French accent that how to clues so was created he's that's I know that's not how he was created. What I'm saying is in this movie closer we're talking about the other movies
Sean:Lusa was a nothing care Yeah, but that's how it's that's how it started wasn't created
Giannis:until Peter Sellers made him who he was Peter Sellers
Sean:seller stepped on set because other guy quit the day before he started neither.
Giannis:Okay, yeah, so what he made it great. And then he it just ran the series ran away with it, man, it became his
Sean:Edwards had this grand vision for glue. So
Giannis:well, Blake Edwards also continued to write the movies. He continued to write them. So he continued to contribute to the character even though Yeah, I'm gonna say it's like 90% it's 90% sellers.
Sean:Okay, so first one generic police character guy quits. Peter Sellers gets thrown in there and makes it his own. And his great shot in the dark was going to be another movie and they just shoehorned Caruso in there because they realized they got something with the original Pink Panther. So again, not not really supposed to be in that movie. They say Okay, that's it. We're not gonna do any more exclusive shows. Both Peter Sellars and Blake Edwards have a terrible 10 year stretch where it's just like flop after flop and Blake Edwards has a deal with some producer like a four picture deal. Three of those movies are flops producers like listen, I gotta make some money just make another fucking Pink Panther movie. So producer pitches to Blake Edwards an idea Blake Edwards says you know that's a good enough an idea Sure. And he was originally going to do as a TV show this is originally
Giannis:26 part series I know I know that part
Sean:and not have Peter Sellers but then they reached out to Peter Sellers. He's like eff fuck I need money too.
Giannis:And then it was gonna become a TV and it was elevated to a move into an actual like theatrical run
Sean:so don't don't know I've got no
Giannis:Peter Sellers. He made the character he made the character in the very beginning every time he stepped back in if it hadn't been Peter Sellers if it had been some other actor I don't know like, who was big at the time?
Sean:Allah Allah has better clue so I watched inspector clue so I don't need to watch that to tell
Giannis:you how wrong you are. But also allies
Sean:Association me award winner Alan Arkin
Giannis:by association with cuzzo Cato to is fantastic. I love Cato. I wish there was more Cato in this. I wish he'd been worked into the plot more, but the whole like Cato p clues, oh paying Cato to sneak up on him to work to improve his alertness to keep his alertness steady, and to attack him whenever at random points during the story. I just love that, especially the very end where Caruso breaks the fourth wall, and then proceeds to jump down a flight of stairs into a kit into a kitchen in slow motion and just destroy everything since shelves flying chefs ducking for cover plates flying all over the room. I just love it. He's great. Okay, Cato by associate association is great. Sir Charles is great. And especially Dreyfus is great, especially Dreyfus.
Sean:Okay, I'm not gonna go much better
Giannis:than john Cleese and Kevin Kline,
Sean:Kevin Klein's much better. I'm not going to get into Cato. We got into it earlier. It would be another 20 minutes talking about a point I don't want to talk about point is it's very rare. I like the idea of Cato sneaking up on a racist. I think it's a funny concept. Just never particularly well executed. And also just his views he's
Giannis:over exaggerating. It's not horrible at all. It's not saturation whatsoever. Why anyway whatsoever.
Sean:Please kill watching. That's all I'm saying.
Giannis:No, sure. Cancel me. Why not? I don't care.
Sean:The more important thing that I want to latch on to because this is part of my dislikes. I had to say which character do I hate more? Which one do I got to go with? And because Cato is in the movie far less, I went and I just hate Dreyfus so much more. I had to go with Dreyfus I hate Dreyfus so much how Dreyfus feels about Caruso is pretty much how I feel about drivers. I hate him so much. He's such a fucking horrible character. He's literally the worst. He's one of the worst comedic characters I've ever seen in my whole fucking life. His laugh is, is so irritating. I if, if you had that unrepeated for me, like if you just had like the cell phone ring, you know, and I had to wake up to as like my alarm, if I made that my alarm to wake up, I would probably just smash my alarm because it would just irritate the shit out of me. His performance is just so cartoonish. And over the top, and it's not that being cartoonish and over a top is necessarily a problem is just, it takes me out every time and it's just it's literally grading. It's like a chalkboard. You know, actually, that's a reference. That's a call back to the next movie, because there's a chalkboard torture scene. But point is, it feels like scratching the chalkboard nails on the chalkboard, whenever I hear him talk and whenever he says anything. I hate his performance. I wish so there's a bit where he has a gun lighter. He has a light and it's really funny pistol, some very funny that looks like a pistol. And he's like, Don't worry, this reader
Giannis:comes
Sean:hilarious. Every time that happens. We cut outside we hear a gunshot and he accidentally shoots himself twice. And I wished that he actually ended up blowing his brains out and dying because I just didn't want him to be in the movie. And also going off the nonsense This is not even pertaining this movie, so I'm not going to get into it. But he dies in the next movie. And yet that's in a fifth one. And the sixth one he's back like nothing happened. Yeah, make any sense about that
Giannis:don't even are just substantiating my point you're just substantiating
Sean:that's all you're doing it's nice but that's not even why I hate him.
Giannis:I know that's not why you hate him you just substant I'm what I'm saying is you're just proving my point. You're just giving me more evidence i'm
Sean:not i'm not proving your point. I hate it earlier pointed him in shine the dark I hated him. And it's not about like it's not
Giannis:about liking or disliking
Sean:right so much about his care. Shut up. What I hate so much about his character is his blood. I mean, beyond what I just said his blood thirsty nature, his just willingness to just kill random people to try and kill clue. So it's honestly,
Giannis:even though again, he that doesn't happen in this movie. By the way, folks, he accidentally kills one person in this movie, and then no one else no one else actually, that is the one death in this entire movie then kills water sales,
Sean:he killed and then he's sent into
Giannis:an insane asylum. He kills one person.
Sean:But he co killed Johnny and
Giannis:he kills somebody kicked, it's still bad. And guess what? There are negative repercussions he's sent away, he's locked away for it. He doesn't kill anyone else in the entire movie. And the only person he tries to kill is clues. Oh, you are taking his character, his performance from other movies and making that affect how you perceive it. And this one, you're not fairly
Sean:but that's your not your trait. That's his defining character trait that honestly doesn't change a whole lot throughout the movies. It doesn't really matter whether he kills one people or whether he kills 10. The fact that personality, like much, but your entire point is based around
Giannis:him trying to so many people's
Sean:You're so annoying. You keep interrupting me, you're so annoying. You
Giannis:just keep going over the same point and you're wrong about it. No, I'm
Sean:not going on is that my point? Is that as a personality trait as a character trait, he's just trying to murder clue. So it doesn't really matter if it's 10 people or one person, if there were 10 people in that room, he still would have accidentally killed 10 people. It's not like you would have held back in this movie. You know, it's just by virtue of accident. You know, the movie, in the middle of the movie, he tried snipe incluso as well. And that scene could very well have shot the other guy in the room accidentally. So it's not like Oh, man, he has some moral high right in this. You
Giannis:know what you're not asking. You're not asking why he only took one shot. You're not asking why he only took one shot in that room and in the very end, why aren't you asking why he didn't reload and take multiple shots.
Sean:I don't care.
Giannis:That's the bigger problem here. It's not Dreyfuss. It's that he had double opportunities and he didn't do it.
Sean:The bigger problem is at the very end, he in his insane asylum. He has a straight jacket on. So he's writing kilku so with a marker and his feet and yet the kilku so he writes at all over the walls, they look immaculate. It's such a novel. They do writing with his feet is amazing compared to when he at the very end it right he writes the end with his foot. I do not appreciate the close up on the foot by the way, it's disgusting.
Giannis:Oh my god bless
Sean:work guard regardless when he writes and you can tell he's really struggling. And it's not even close to the handwriting of the other that
Giannis:is, that is the pettiest objection. That is the worst objection.
Sean:Man is Patty that I will okay any
Giannis:favorite?
Sean:What do I have is Petey
Giannis:to I don't care what he said already said the vacuum cleaner, German disguised scene dragged a little long at one point he comes in, and he's disguised as a German guy with a big nose and a long mustache. And he's going into Lady litens. Lady Charles is room to investigate. Look for evidence of the river. It takes forever. It goes on just a little bit too long. And just when you think it's about to end, the busboy that he's paying off to help him spy on lady Charles comes and says that she's on the way back. And then there's like this whole thing in a sauna. It just goes on forever and ever. And eventually, lady. He just like runs out. He just runs out when he's forced into a corner. It's kind of funny at the beginning. It's kind of funny at the end, but there's just a whole lot of middle ground that isn't that does not justify its existence.
Sean:So yes, it's like 20 minutes of no plot.
Giannis:It's not 20 minutes. It's about 11. But it feels longer than it felt like.
Sean:But going off of that when I when I first watched the movie, back a month ago, I hated everything about clue. So everything about the performance. This time around, I was okay when Cousteau was being incluso incluso was not in the skies when he uses regular incluso self. There were moments I laughed there. For example, we were talking about earlier at the very beginning, he is going around and trying to give this blind man a citation. And unbeknownst to him behind him, a store is being robbed. It was a great sight. Well, it was an okay sight gag that was funny could have been done better. But I liked it. And the verbal exchange between Cousteau and the blind guy in his buggy was funny, I thought was good lines.
Giannis:One of that is when he walks into the resort and the Italian guy who mistakes for concierges steals all of his clothing and then drives off
Sean:as an au car.
Giannis:What about the guy he tells the cab driver? He tells to follow that car and then the cab driver just jumps out and starts running away?
Sean:Why is he just jump off? Why is he doing that? Why does he
Giannis:know he thinks he's gonna get the money? I think that's why he's doing it. Or maybe he's just really dumb. Who knows he could have limited English skills I think. I think it's like Arrested Development. It's intentionally done. There's a lot of intelligence.
Sean:Compare this Oh, no,
Giannis:yes, this is easily on the same level easily. Not season four and five, season three at the worst latter half of season three at the worst.
Sean:Listen, if you want to give this latter half of season three. I'll accept it. But definitely not one or two. Jeff had the worst.
Giannis:At the worst
Sean:is not even close to seasons. One or two. Any episode any episode.
Giannis:I disagree. But
Sean:But, but going back to the point on hand, why like Cousteau be incluso I also really dug the only joke that I really liked both times was when he accidentally his brakes go out and he accidentally runs his cars into the same pool.
Giannis:Same pool. In fact, the second time he does it, they have a crane lifting the first car.
Sean:Yeah, it's a gag. I thought it was funny. It was clever. But anyways, my main point is anytime that Cousteau is in a disguise, it is so over the top silly. It's such lowbrow humor. And I note that I was thinking about was lowbrow was that I was I note that I was thinking about was we? What like 20 episodes ago or so we did actually like 10 we did a Buster Keaton movie. We did the general Buster canes fantastic. Definitely to a degree in influence on this performance. So going off of that kind of slapstick II visual humor Buster keen is very smart and very clever with what he does, both in terms of his physical performance, but also his use of camera. I it all works together. It's all telling the story. It's all very clever. I feel like Peter Sellers is far more like fatty Arbuckle and that he's just doing physical pranks at the time that fatty Arbuckle had said, I'm basically just doing for the kids, I'm doing this for people with not very high intelligence for Buster key and realize there's more to it. You can actually do something with these jokes. They can be really smart. And I think these jokes fall far more in line with the fatty Arbuckle. We're making the kids laugh as opposed to more adult humor. I'm not saying it has to be like super mature or really thought provoking. It's just there's a lack i.
Giannis:i disagree. I think this is way above fatty Arbuckle. I think it's not quiet. It's definitely not only not he doesn't, it's not close to Keaton. But I think there's more intelligence than you're giving. I feel like for instance, first thing that comes to the top my head, the light bulb gag, that's something that would have been one thing I know that was been, that would have been more Buster Keaton. Absolutely. That would have been more Buster Keaton. That's not fatty Arbuckle. him when he's got the telephone repairman persona on and he's trying to think he drops something underneath the desk and he gets underneath the desk and he gets stuck and flips the desk. But in the process, get some glue stuck on a chair. And then after we finally freed himself from the desk, he sits down in the chair, gets himself glued to it. And then he has to get out of his pants that are stuck to the chair, try to rip them off. And then he puts them on backwards. And at one point, the the servant the butler calls him Inspector, do you remember that? He says like expect to
Sean:know that it was unclear? If that was not unclear. If he acts intentional.
Giannis:It's intentional. It's just like they know there are so they he's so bad at what he's doing that they know. And they feel confident enough to call them inspector that it doesn't matter. And it doesn't it
Sean:did. Did you read that? I don't remember what the wife's character's name is. But you know that she laughs all the time. That's not intentional. They just she was laughing at Pier sellers performance every time and the
Giannis:performance is pretty funny too. For instance, when they're when he's sitting beside the pool, and he's ogling the women passing by in bikinis, and then one stands up next to him and dives in. And because he's just so fixated on her, he falls backwards into the water. I think that's that was a pretty funny moment. I find it very hard not to laugh at this man
Sean:here. Here's the thing, kind of what I was getting to with Buster Keaton. And I think that joke is a very good example where that's more of a Arbuckle thing that's a very obvious gag. I would I expected that we know he's sitting down we know we as soon as he sits down window has fallen in that pool. We know it. And when this woman hops up, we know he's going to do something like that. He's going
Giannis:to fall into water. He would have drowned Buster Keaton would have done something funnier. Buster Keaton would have done something funnier guys, like when he fell into the water. What if it were Buster Keaton, something else would have happened when he had fallen into the water something else crazy. He wouldn't have just fallen in. You're right about that.
Sean:Yeah, he
Giannis:wouldn't have even gone near the water. He couldn't swim.
Sean:My God. My point is that with Buster Keaton, he knows what your expectation is. He knows you're expecting I'm going to fall into this water. So he's going to take that expectation and reverse it and fuck with you in that way. And that's why that's humor is so smart and that's why I enjoy that so much. I'm sorry, were you
Giannis:expecting the ex when he shows up to litens house and the doorbell goes off and then it doesn't stop going off and then he removes it and then he starts pulling wires away and before you know it he's 12 feet away from the door were you expecting that to happen? Absolutely Yeah. Oh my Come on. Absolutely no way the first time you watch this cuz I had watched the for Friday.
Sean:Now whatever not every single instance but I'm just saying not fatty morality to the humor Anyway,
Unknown:I'm saying on the spectrum between Western fatty Arbuckle it's close. I don't even remember. Okay, let's let's just get I I've already talked about how I've only got like one other thing that I dislike because my third thing I'll just read it verbatim what I wrote. The third thing I really disliked was thinking about how Sean should love everything bout this while watching it but ealizing he would find ointless things to niggle nyways because he's too nsecure to admit this as a gym. hat was my third dislike.
Sean:What's your life? Okay, why would it be too insecure to admit this as a gem? Why Why am I insecure? Why would I be insecure about it
Giannis:because the wife doing it just to spice up their their marriage or prevent her husband from being bored that sounds exactly like the sort of dumb thing you would like. The the whole like, clue so I failing backwards not doing anything and then winding up with a big promotion at the very end. I Like you would like the whole Cato and him fighting thing. I feel like you should like
Sean:yes, there are a lot of I will agree there are a lot of animal elements that I should like
Giannis:Dreyfus just hating clue. So, unapologetically, I feel like you should like everything about it as I'm watching it not just conceptually, but in execution. everything I know about you tells me that you should enjoy this. But I know you don't.
Sean:I will agree can conceptually everything is great. Even even I was I know I was complaining about the story before and how nonsense nonsensical it is. It doesn't make any sense the first time around the second time around, you put pieces together and I'm like, oh, okay, I see how this is working. How is it connecting? I really wish this wasn't a pink panther movie, and just existed on its own. I actually really would have enjoyed that movie or with the Cato, again, taking out the racist element. I like that as an idea. But again, I just don't like the execution or the truth is hatred. Or like Cousteau, even though I was complaining about him not really contributing anything to the plot. It's actually a lot like Big Trouble in Little China. And that jack Burton does nothing throughout the entire movie except kill the bad guy at the end. And that's what makes that movie so fucking amazing. But he's still connected to everything that's going on. He's still with everyone. Plot wise. It's not like I don't remember the other characters name in the movie, but it's not like they are separated the entire movie and one's in his own world and jack Burton is just fucking around on his own side quest. JACK Burton's there and they're teaming up it's still a buddy movie. It's just jack Burton is the useless one. And I think if they did something like that if clues if they ever got a second half clue so wasn't tailing the wife incluso actually was on was in the Gosh, tracking down Sir Charles was just barely missing him or something. I think that would be far more interesting and far more engaging than what we actually were given.
Giannis:And you know what, honestly, this is my actual only second dislike. It really does seem like this is Sir Charles movie, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. But you're right. I feel like clues. Oh, shut up. He was in the wrong location. Caruso? Well, the thing was calusa was looking for the it's it's the whole point of the movie is that it's just this situationally ironic twist. Is that clues? Oh, was looking for the gem thief the entire time. He just didn't know that he was he'd found her he had no clue. And when you look back at it from like, a very meta narrative position. It's funny, but then when you get into a solely narrative perspective, it's it's kind of a weird choice, right? It's like you're cutting off, you're cutting off the foot to save the leg in that sort of situation, or you're cutting off whatever that expression is. I can't remember what it is right now. But you're making a big balls. You're making a big sacrifice with very little reward. Yeah, I think it would have been a funnier movie if he'd gone down to Lou gash or if like, they'd both been down there for half of it if like half of it was just him following the wife and he went down to Luke ash and then maybe, I don't know how it could have been worked out to where it would have been narratively a little more engaging. But I can actually agree with you, to some extent, on your point that Cusco needed to be there, he needed to be worked more finely into Sir Charles is subplot and also Kaito Kaito needed to be in more and more of it, too. I love Cato love him to death.
Sean:So he both made our points. We're not kidding before, before we end this. I want to make one very minor niggle it's a niggle, I know it's a niggle in the very beginning with the opening credits. Oh, don't you dare you cannot disagree. Well, first of all, the Pink Panther shaking his ass in the very beginning and I knew that turn Jani on
Giannis:that's a good movie, but more more excellent filmmaking
Sean:arouse. More importantly,
Giannis:Mona knows
Sean:that at one point in this opening montage is opening animation montage, a door opens on the right hand side of the frame and then a limo pops out of that door and scrolls across the screen. You cannot tell me that that Chateaux does not look like a penis shot. Oh, he dies. Who cares?
Giannis:Who cares that it does? Why does it matter? It's not even. You're just pointing something out?
Sean:It's a niggle. Yeah, because it looks like a fucking dick and I don't know why they it. It's not even slight it looks.
Giannis:The joke is that it's long. In fact that it's pink. The joke is that it's long and it's pink because everything is pink in the opening like and because it's so The Pink Panther. My hair is paid in
Sean:a shape like a dig, but they chose to shape it like a dick. So what choice the animator made?
Giannis:It's a really good animated sequence. It's so great.
Sean:Yeah, for the most part, it's a good animated sequence. It's just very distracting. Anyways, let's get to the my final thoughts. My final thoughts are this is the second time I watched the movie in about a month first time I watched it, I absolutely hate it. I will admit that like Jani was alluding to earlier, my feelings on the other movies definitely had an impact on how I view this one. So rewatching and this time around, being more divorced from the other movies as well as knowing what was going to hop what was going to happen. Meaning plot actually made more sense to me. I liked the movie a bit more. I don't want to say it became a classic to me. It's not like I totally changed my mind on it. But some of the elements that I really didn't care for I ended up turning around and many other elements. I'm like, Yeah, I still absolutely fucking hate Dreyfus. hate him to death. I hate that Zodiac. Zodiac Killer, you know, irritates me. So final rating. What What did I give a pink panther to do you remember?
Giannis:Why on earth? Would I remember that? Why is it what is going through your mind? That would convince you that I would remember your rating for the Pink Panther to I have no idea. I know what you're going to do.
Sean:Except think so. I would have thought that you would have ruminated on it. So I think I gave it a six and while I was tempted to give this movie a six as well on rewatch I still like pink panther two more. So I'm gonna give this Jani our decimals allowed.
Giannis:I don't know. You, You you you make that you call the shots there. Okay. Okay, I
Sean:guess I'll call the shot that every time we meet one circumstance in this one circumstance, a decimal is allowed. Oh my gosh, I'm gonna get this. They're allowed. This one, sir. No, no, this one time? No, no, you
Giannis:said this one time. You didn't say that. I couldn't do it, too. You've been calling me back. You've been preventing me from doing decimal points this time. When?
Sean:One time that implies you can't do it. Oh,
Giannis:no, you didn't. You didn't correct me. That's what your score score.
Sean:I'm gonna give it a 5.6 GPA.
Giannis:Yeah, whatever. Okay,
Sean:I think I think that's above less cerca Rouge, but under Pink Panther to which I think is a fair assessment.
Giannis:I just want you to know, I'm a far more effective killer than Dreyfus. Keep that in mind,
Sean:what's your body count?
Giannis:Not important. Don't worry about it. Kind of is
Sean:the point. If you're, if you're trying to say hi, hey, I'm john.
Giannis:Let's just put it this way. I
Sean:need to know your body count.
Giannis:I know you bought the non refundable tickets. So you're coming here whether you like it or not.
Sean:Just so you know,
Giannis:what are we watching next week. At this point?
Sean:It's so easy to kill me that if you just had I don't remember what kind of animal you have. But I'm allergic to dogs and cats. So
Giannis:I have Karla their hair Carlisle's here Carlisle. I'm trying to but he's here.
Sean:Yeah. So if you just have Carlisle shedding Carlisle's hair all over, you know what? I'm probably going to die. So it's not like it's difficult. Also, as we established earlier in this episode, I'm not a strong fellow.
Unknown:So you're certainly choked me out. Oh, by the way, Carlisle. I don't think I ever actually explained to Carlisle was Mona's mom. He has little manservant, big old, fat, Garfield looking cat named Carlisle that I'm taking care of because like Sean Mona is also llergic to cats. So I have to ake care of them until we do omething until we decide where e're where he's going. But, eah, Carlisle's here. I think ou've heard him in a previous pisode. And he could kill Sean t o. So, you know, we've got t at to look forward to unlike w at we're watching next week, w ich
Sean:is, yeah, that's gonna be great. So I had a couple ideas. Oh, the first idea was, you know, we just watched two pink panther movies to be inclusive. What if we did the Black Panther know that?
Giannis:You hate Black Panther?
Sean:Black Panther, so I can't pick that. That's not that's no shot at the movie. I'm just not a big fan of it. Then I thought okay, well, let's try and keep in the heist genre. You know, the thieves. What's a terrible thief movie I can pick. I was looking at hurricane heist. But what do you mean I want that movie to be good. It's not good. You know? It's not good.
Giannis:I haven't seen in a while.
Sean:I still I still want it to be good. So I ended up deciding Okay, there's actually a lot of similarities between this film sorry, movie in my neck. Both movies have a lead female thief and they actually were very similar outfits. We have a master of disguise, who like Dana Carvey and master of disguise, as well as this movie where some of the weirdest, weirdest and nuttiest disguises to, you know, in this case steal stuff and we have another bumbling buffoon.
Giannis:I'm sorry, can you remove a bath food? Is that how you say buffoon? Okay, sorry.
Sean:Sorry, I'm sorry. Sometimes I mispronounce stuff. A phone like Jani about food. If I had to describe this next movie, I would say it's one part Ocean's 12. One part returning The Pink Panther. One part master to the skies with Dana Carvey and one part Fast and Furious. Oh, this is I cannot the Bollywood movie. No. Doom two. Yeah, guys. We're doing Doom two. I've been hyping this up for a bit. I'm so excited for it. Love this movie to death. It's gonna be such a treat. Where do I use this thing? Jani is going to hate it.
Giannis:Oh, sure. I will
Sean:here. I don't
Giannis:know. can't give it the benefit of the doubt. Unlike you. You're good. I will give it the benefit of the doubt. absolutely
Sean:hate. I'm
Giannis:going to go in and I'm going to try to find something to like,
Sean:take that you're going to I know what you're going to like you're going to like the dancing, which also had the caveat. You cannot skip the musical numbers. You're
Giannis:so boring.
Sean:You are not allowed.
Giannis:They go on forever.
Sean:You can skip crazy call. Ray. I think I'm mispronouncing that. There's one in the middle of the movie that you can skip but you cannot skip any in the first half. Okay, fine. There's an intermission in the middle and you can't skip any before the intermission. This is an inner mission.
Giannis:get you back for this gonna be great. I'm getting you back for this. Yeah.
Sean:And just Just so you know, folks, Jani just asked me where can you watch this? I think it's currently on amazon prime. But if it dies, it doesn't matter because I actually own it on YouTube. And I also own it on DVD. Goodbye. Oh, wait,
Giannis:I'm done with this. I can't be around you anymore.
Sean:You don't want to do the end tag.
Giannis:This is this is my this is my tag. This is my intake.
Sean:Yeah, God told me to fuck myself. Man. I gotta go hook yourself up yourself. Okay, okay. Well, you can go fuck yourself.
Giannis:Just go Just go. Just do it. Just go just go for also
Sean:hate yourself. Because you're racist. Go fuck yourself.
Giannis:I love Cato so much. I wish Cato was my dad. Go fuck yourself.
Sean:Okay, that makes it welcome.
