Ep 39: F**k The Italian Job!

Hello, this is Sean and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review podcast. Before we get started, please make sure to like follow subscribe, write a review of this podcast wherever you are listening right now and please be sure to follow us on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram. All those are linked in the description. Enjoy the episode. Hello and welcome to fog your opinion. This is a movie review podcast with yours truly Sean and my co host Johnny, Johnny. How you doing? folks? He's doing a long silence. I don't know why. I've told him time and time again. That's gonna get cut out. I've got to be careful. I have to talk really slowly. If I talk too quickly, the bus is going to tip over and we're going to lose all that gold Shawn. So I have to talk real carefully. Do your best Michael Caine impression Go for it. Michael cup Michael Caine. My name say his name That's it. That's it. That's that's close. That's close Give me that it's it's literally nothing else. But I just don't think Michael Caine is just repeating his name constantly like that. I don't think he needs to wash up Jen spy name's Michael Caine. I'm a Cockney and wanted me little Cockneys better than I would have expected. You know, I'll give you credit where credit is due you know, pronounces that th as an F with pronounces that th with an F, you know, Michael kind. What we watch this week, Shawn? Yeah. Hello. So, last week, we watch the film, Zulu. That was a pic by Jani. And, um, you're gonna do that again, huh? All right. So last week, we watched Zulu with Michael Caine. And I said, you know, let me do a Michael Caine movie my own. It's going along with transitions and trying to be consistent with other episodes. I'm like, this is great, because we got Michael Caine, we got a heist movie. But earlier in the last 10 episodes, I did essentially, the remake sequels of 60s caper movies. And now we're going back to an actual 16th caper movie, The Italian Job. So I picked the Italian Job, Shawn, what makes it The Italian Job? It's interesting, because they never answer that question in the film. And so I was wondering the whole time, entire hour and 39 minutes. what exactly makes this job? Italian isn't in classification? How would you How would you? How would you define it as The Italian Job a job in Italy? Or am I wrong? Italy isn't a country so that's why I'm so curious about this. I've never heard of an Italy but yet the film is called The Italian Job. The fuck you talking about? Are you high right now? I'm like, I thought it was pretty clear that just took place in Italy. The Italian Job because of the whole big fuck you to Italy, but then we just said I don't even know what Italy is. Okay, you dumb fuck. Like, we don't need that. We don't need that right now. And folks. So you know, we took a gap between Not right now but before the zoo episode, because Jani was going through some shit. Now I'm going through some shit. So you know what, there's gonna be a lot of fighting. And you know, here's the thing. We're pretty much on the same page. I think about this movie, probably though. But at the same time, I just write a fairly contentious fucking throw it out. That's where I'm at. Okay, I just need to fight. Okay, I just need to beat the living shit out of you. Okay, so why don't you get a punching bag? Oh, no, wait, you wouldn't be able to do it with your own. I actually do have a punching bag though. Those little blow up dolls that you you hit and bounce back. Don't count as my roommate has a big old punching bag in the garage. I never use it. Oh, actually, a couple weeks ago. I tried using it. I tried kicking. And then I hurt my toenail. And I said I gotta stop doing this. This is after like three kicks to. Now I used to take a man that's Jani. I was I used to take a Taekwondo class. So it was one of those things where you go, I used to be able to do this years ago. I should be able to do that now. And you go Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. So yeah, I picked the Italian Job. So how do I feel about the Italian Job What I give it rating wise, I would say, seven out of 10. It's a really fun, breezy movie. And I think stylistically, it's fucking great. But it decides to throw any depth or nuance or story or character out the door. So it's like, on one hand, it's really good on the other end, it's quite atrocious. So you just got to acknowledge what it is. And I think if you go in with that, I kind of look at it almost like a Jackie Chan action movie, where what Jackie Chan does action wise, is the best you can possibly watch. It's just that sometimes the story is kind of lackluster. That's kind of how I look at here. Anyways, yeah, like I said, seven, seven out of 10. Kind of kind of, kind of seven out of 10 kind of half of the runtime is the highest. Yeah, it's not it's like it's like what do you bet it's But still, let's clarity minutes is a good highest. It's a really good high. I think it's, I think we'll get into it. We'll get into it. Yes, no, that's, oh, no, I think it's great. Okay, so what comes next? Typically, is the dis disinterested, disaffected or disillusion party provides. Okay, a plot summary. Shawn, do you know why Plot summary is I asked you here Plot summary. Jesus Christ. I mean, usually you're like a coke snorter all the time. I have to cut that out, but you are snorting your nose off allergy season like Jesus. Hey, some of us have pollen sensitivities. Okay, it happens. Everything is in bloom where I have pollen sensitivity. Yeah, I go outside though. I literally just went for a four hour walk up a hill that has trees and flowers and everything and bloom right next to it. So how about you shut the fuck up about going outside? Oh, right. And I just say I take medicine. I take a pill. I spray my nose. So I take it to I take it to and I still have problems. I still have problems. There you go. I don't get how about you get syphilis and remove your nose just lose your nose you know got deal with that anymore. That's Nicolas. Yeah. How's about you read a book? sniff Alice at that's that's shut the fuck out. syphilis is a real fucking issue. Deal with that's a joke. That's not a real disease. That's like saying human What do you mean papilloma virus is a disease? We're gonna say next COVID is a hoax COVID more like a home more outbid hope cokes. Why? So you got the vaccine? You got the facts. Why would you get the vaccine if you think it's a hoax. Plot summary. Jesus Christ Give me your fucking Plot summary. Michael Caine. Michael cockeyed. Type stars is convict and reverse cuckold sharlee croco. Together with a guy of glorified background characters, and a repaid sex offender he'll financially bankrupt the city of Turin by stealing $4 billion from them in gold bullion and this strange retcon sequel to the 1966 Classic Alfie because this character is basically the same except he doesn't learn anything. It's It's crazy. He's He's a total hoarder. I haven't seen Alfie watch. It's the original alfies I want to I really want to see it but I haven't seen it yet. Way more into the character research what I watched Get Carter also a great film, but she would actually like I've seen go kart we're gonna get picked. I see. Yeah, no, I love it. It's great. It's great. Michael Caine. Michael Michael Caine. Michael Caine is great in it. Michael Caine. You know what I would love to do you know, I and this is a spoiler. Forget Carter, folks. I would love to just lock you in the back of that trunk and just fall off into the water. I would just like to shoot you on a beach. See, I can do the same thing. I can say I can I can also spoil things. But then that makes me Michael Caine. Either way, you're dead or dead. Michael Caine is still dead, even if he is Michael Caine, Michael. He, he like like in this movie. he fucks a lot. He gets a lot. gets a lot of ladies. So I am okay with that. That's fine, many of which were supplied to him by his girlfriend, which is a weird dynamic. But again, we'll get into it. All right. So what's the actual actual you know, and I need to state everything that I said in my summary, actually is in the movie. It wasn't like I was joking. Except for the alfea part, that was a joke, everything else is there. So what shots? I did actually provide a very accurate description of what happens in this one. For the first time, Shawn, what is it also about you now? I'm not gonna say you didn't provide an accurate description. What I am going to say is that I was not paying attention. So it seemed kind of accurate, but I was also I forgot what even said, Oh, you were just looking at your video feed. Yeah, that's now I was looking at Yogi green tea quote. done that. Yeah, lazy, lazy. But, yeah, I'm late this plot summary, Plot summary. Michael Caine gets out of prison, immediately gets given a job to steal $4 million worth of gold. Then he goes back to his old prison warden. Because apparently this guy someone was like crime boss who's well connected, gets the funding, then Michael Caine gets the crew then they go to Italy deal with some mafia who are like, No, no, no, you do not come to Italy and steal our gold, even though it's not even clear that they're connected to it in any actual way nationalism, but they're like, No, no, no, no, I know. I know. It's a nationalism thing, which makes it even more confusing. But anyways, Michael Caine's like Well, I'm just gonna steal this gold I need this gold even though we don't know why he needs this gold. He needs that gold. So they go they create the what is described as the most brilliant heist of all time, which is really just a traffic jam, and then they'd get clubs and just beat people and beat cops and just steal it, they steal the gold, then they get in their mini Coopers drive away and, and laughed the whole time. That's really what they do. So that's the that's the movie. There's really not much more to it. Not much. Not much to it. Jani, what's next thing we do? The next thing we do is we pull down our pants and we spank our bottoms until they're nice and pink. And then we show each other our bottoms and if we haven't reached sufficient levels of pinkness then we are required to go get the cutting boards from our kitchens and double down on the spanking until the the glow of that pinkness reaches twice the luminosity. Had it had it needed to be beforehand. I've been drinking. You Really? It's like two o'clock where you are. It's a Saturday. You know, Mona's Mona is not here. I can do what I want. What are you drinking? What I whiskey Irish whiskey. Now cool. I'm drinking some of my two buck Chuck from his a Yeti mug is $30 Yeti mug. Oh, okay, first of all, I didn't pay for this Yeti mug. I got it as a gift. So thank you very much. Second of all, I'm drinking here because the thing is, I don't have a lot of space on my desk. And the thing is when you have a wineglass it is prone to toppling over Not that I've ever knocked it over. I just feel very anxious about leaving it in my small desk space and having a potentially fall over. So this is just a solution where it's just like, works out. Alright, so how about Yeah, shut the fuck up about criticizing my fucking Blue Yeti. And my two bucks shock because I know you're wanting to or talking about fucking spanking each other on camera. What the fuck was speaking each other's spanking ourselves. But making sure No, I know. That's semantics semantics. So yeah, what's that? You really want to see my bare ass? Do you really want to see my bare ass? It's good. I know for a fact that it's it's relatively flat. So no, but I do want to hear what that Yogi green tea quote of the day is now. Okay. Also, I'm pretty sure Mr. Bridger is not the warden. He's just a criminal. Wait, why? Yeah, no, we'll get into that. Not the which makes it even crazier, but we'll get into it. Then why is he have the SU they treat him like the warden. How could he possibly not be the warden? That's the sad that's the the satire and I watch it. We'll get into it later. Watch this movie twice, twice. Okay. It's also not explained. Why is he using the inmates bathroom then? If he's the warden? Why is he escorted by he just no watches? No, no, he's not escorted. They're like the underlings that are just doing his bidding. I don't think I tell Okay, well, we'll come anyway, later. Anyways, my yoga green tea quo is you're only supposed to, I can't do it. I can't do it. Like Okay, as soon as I could try. You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off. You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off gray cloud, which is actually a really good line. I love that. It's great. It's great. It's actually a bunch of stuff in this movie. Yeah, spoiler. Okay. The Yogi green The quote is real happiness lies in that which never comes nor goes but simply is like this movie. It simply is, and you have to be happy with it. Well, you don't have it going back and I am. Shut the fuck out. I love you. I it's interesting. It's interesting that you said that comment where you like the movie, because it's something where when I first watched the movie, and I was like, there's no way Jani doesn't like this, he would like it. And then when I rewatch that the second time, I'm like, Oh, I feel like there are so many things for you to hate. I. So it's a mixed bag, but I like it more than I dislike it. Yeah. All right. So going off of that Yani, what is your first favorite thing you want to tell us about? Okay, so, where we go next is we talk about our three favorite aspects before talking about our three favorite, your least favorite three least favorite aspects. First thing, you know, I was talking about the heist earlier. First things just gonna be the sheer scale of the heist production, they are driving on location, they're causing actual chaotic traffic in turn amidst hundreds of extra cars. And I throw up air quotes around the extra because in some cases in some of the shots, I don't know if you look this up, but the those traffic jams were real and were intentionally caused by the crew, which is just crazy. Oh my god. Yeah, right. Isn't that isn't that horrifying? But hundreds, hundreds of cars, hundreds of cars in this city and some of them. Some of it was not a What was it? It was not. What's the term? It wasn't legal? I guess? I don't know. But just that the places in Italy Who cares? Yeah, who cares? It was in Italy. I actually like Italy, but I do. If it's France, I wouldn't care but but whether they're driving across a dam or they're driving on top of the Fiat factory, they're going in through a sewer. There's just so much that the driving stunt work is fantastic. The locations the way they film it too, though, I'm pretty sure that the that this is kind of the the British response to bullet, which is also probably why Peter Yates was the first person they approached to direct the film, but it's it's really well shot. It's really humorous, too. There's a great, there's a great score that plays underneath it. Part of which being a song actually I think Quincy Jones I think Quincy Jones wrote all the music for this movie. I'm not entirely sure but Quincy Jones Yeah, I think so. Who's the exact same age as Michael Caine, by the way, wrote all the music for this movie and it's really really funny really upbeat I love listening to the ending song I love this sense of self preservation. So saw yet to Michael Caine is one of the singers in that song too. That's the other great thing. Yeah, you can tell you can tell. All of this is to say this, honestly, the scope of it honestly reminds me of the Battle of Helm's Deep in kind of a weird way from, from two towers, in that there's almost this internal structure to the events to the heist itself, like it's its own little movie, beginning, middle and end. I mean, every scene needs to have that. But I feel like you could take the last 30 minutes or so whatever the highest is of this, take that cut off everything beforehand. And it would be equally as entertaining without any of the setup. I get what you're saying. I still think there are things in the setup. I really enjoy stuff in the first hour or so that are really solid. But I get what you're saying. My first point going off of that kind of the same point, but also kind of not. You stress the heist and well you kind of said the whole last heist the getaway. Yeah, yeah. Call the whole thing i would i Yeah. And I would just say that for me, there's a bit of a distinction between the two. So the heist itself, in which they steal the gold I gotta be honest, is kind of a unsophisticated I don't want to use the word lame, but it's something where it's literally just like smashing. Yeah, we're gonna. Yeah, it's not like particularly well thought out, particularly, especially when it's so hyped up in the beginning that, Oh, this is the most brilliant smart job in the world. But honestly, I don't really care. Because when we get to the car chase, escape afterwards, like you were saying, it's so phenomenal. And honestly one of my favorite car chases of all time in all of cinema, because it's something that is exhilarating. It's exciting. The stunts as you were saying, are just so unbelievable. You can drive over like alleys near on the I think this is they all do this all on the fee like factory but they're driving on top of the roof and they go over alleys, jump all the cars and at one point there's like a cop car that comes from right up to the edge that doesn't make that doesn't do the jump. But like that's all to say, yes, stunts are fantastic in this. And what's great is that this movie new, kind of like with action set pieces, where I mean, this is an action set piece, but totally in an action set piece, even though you do you want to have a story throughout, it's kind of smarter to say ahead of time, what are the things I want to feature. So with this, the story of the getaway is kind of whatever, but they said had a time, we're gonna pick the best possible locations to film these car scenes and, and every single one from going on top of that factory, to going through the like mall area, to going over the waterway, it just all so well shot and so beautiful, and so stunning and amazing. It's just like it's it. And also the sewers, every single piece they have is just brilliant. And what I was saying earlier, where it's kind of like a Jackie Chan movie, and that the this sequence is just so well constructed. And unlike anything you have seen before, and just puts every other car chase this shame, that it's it's worth the price of admission alone. And also, one of the important things going off of how well shot is that one of the things I have such a problem with in terms of a lot of car chases, is that it's one of the hardest things to have clarity, like geographically where everyone is what exactly is going on, etc. So do you have the mini Coopers, and to have them each color coded and also have the drivers in each wearing an outfit? Similar to the corresponding color bar is just yeah, it's just so smart. It's so smart. And we're able to follow the action so well. And it's, and there's a lot of little, there's so many little details with each sequence. I also loved how how many times the camera is just put in the front seat, looking forward through the windshield of wherever a car is driving. And it's just the most exhilarating feeling. I mean, I would love to watch that on a big screen and just feel like I'm really driving through the streets. Yeah, kind of reminds me of the French Connection. Chase, have you you've seen French Connection? Right? I need to I haven't. Well, fun fact before you go into it. No, you don't know. Nevermind. I won't tell you about it. I won't tell you about it. Don't look at anything about the chase. Because you need to not know about that car chase, you know that it was I know about it was not? No, it was totally like a stolen shot. They did not they actually drove through. Okay, traffic. That leads me to my next point. Speaking of not getting permission, when production talked about shooting, you know how the the Cooper's went down that big staircase, at one point. They did not tell there was great that was so fine didn't tell the responsible authorities that they would be driving three cars down the stairs, they just said that they would be operating machinery mining machinery. So I mean, it was kind of this. The production was kind of like villainous, with how they achieved a lot of these things. But I'm glad they did. And they were because the end result is so so phenomenal. It's worth it's so worth it. Because if they did, they would have never gotten permission. And we just would not have gotten these like brilliant shots. These things that again, you've never seen it before. Because normally you had to get all these permissions, but it just never happened. And I feel like we've had a similar discussion in regards to I forgot what movie it was like in regards to like child actors or something like Oh, that was coming. Where's the ethical line? Yeah. And it's just like, this is just something that just feels very harmless. It's kind of like it's dubious, but at the same time, come on. It was worth it. Yeah, exactly. All right. My next point, and this is I guess we can talk about Bridger right now I looked it up because I was a little confused. They never say exactly what Bridger is who he is in the prison. You always see him escorted by guards. He wears a suit. So there's a chance he could be the warden. I thought I thought but I looked it up and it's he's a crime boss. His character is described as a crime boss so bad. And that's I think that where that's the satire comes from the fact that the the prison even though it's run by the government, or it's run by some sort of private institution, internally, it's entirely run by by the criminal by the head honcho there, but and there's this really great, but that doesn't make any sense. No, it doesn't make any sense. That's why and that's why I love it. It doesn't make any sense. He shouldn't be able to do these things. You know, the entire prison guards include shouldn't be, like cheering him on clapping at the end when news comes that they've pulled off the robbery, like none of this should be happening, how would they even know? How would we know? Like who's who's contacting them who's updating them on this information? Because this is presumably as it's happening, but it's so zany. And it's like the one sort of I think statement you could glean from any of this. So the only like sort of, I guess, idea that comes from this movie. Well, you can find in Bridger and it's not like the strongest idea. It's like yeah, okay, crime beneath the the system. There's this criminality that kind of runs everything. But it's really funny. And look it up, if you don't believe me, whose character is described as a crime boss, which is also also hold on, which is also why Michael Caine is able to threaten the Italian Mafia by saying that Mr. Bridger will have all the Italian shops 250,000, something Italians put out of business, because if they're killed, that's why he says that because bridgers, that big of a crime boss, it's like he's able to get away with more, because he's safe within the walls of the prison. Look, I'm not going to talk about logistically why it does or doesn't work. All I know is within the context of the movie. It's funny. And, again, we're going to get to like why this is not so great in some parts in this, you know, that's, that kind of leads into that. Oops. But I think it works for what it is. So I am not going to raise too many objections to when folks write in and tell us if that is accurate. I I just don't understand why can't he both be a crime boss? And the warden? I don't know why that's mutually exclusive. Exclusive. Like it doesn't specifically say in your description that he was in there doing time and he's a crime boss. Correct. It just says he's a crime boss. Yeah, I think he's, I don't know, I don't know if he's doing it. They don't say they also have a chicken prepared for him at the very end like a roast chicken and other sides at a table for him to dine on solely. Like it doesn't make sense. I just don't think some of the lines would work if he were convict in there as opposed to the warden. Because, for example, in the beginning, when Michael Caine gets out, Bridger is like, I better not see you here again, or something like that. Just and the relationship he has with everybody. It would just be so fucking weird. If he was not the warden. I don't think you and he's wearing the same suit that all the other inmates are wearing. No, he's not. Yes. No, he is. You can see it. You see it when he's coming down the stairs at the end, when everyone's cheering him on? They're all wearing the same suit him included. I would have to rewatch it for the third time. Folks, if that's true, that like how does he get out of prison for the funeral that well i think that's how he is able to get out of prison for the funeral. That's why he's able to meet with them there. Because he's going because there's an exception made and that's why he's able to get out. That's why they have the funeral so they can meet What the fuck, man this movie just does not explain anything. I know. I figured I figured it out. I pretty much as soon as I saw him going to the bathroom, escorted by guards. I was like, Okay, he's just got a lot of clout in this place. He's that powerful of a criminal again, I didn't think he was extorted by guards. I think it was just like I would award it regardless of working on tape. Why would he? Why would a warden under taking him to the bathroom in the middle of the night? That doesn't make any sense. Not they weren't. They weren't taking him to the bathroom. They were accompanying him, because he's like, I need somebody to hold my paper. I need someone to hold my toilet paper like he has that much clout and power. It's funnier if he's just a criminal. You You better be so much funnier. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm just saying like, I didn't read it, but I certainly can accept that. That's possible. Okay. All right. It's possible. I'm pretty, I think is an interesting character. I think it's funny, you're not even talking about his obsession with the Queen and the royalty and the royal family is hilarious. It's, you know, it's a joke on now. There are many British folks who just idolize the royal family and the fact that he has this collection of basically all the Queen's pictures, but it's not in kind of like a horror movie villain perverted like absurd, creepy obsession in that sense. It's more of this like reverence respect, almost like a religion and that scent you know, and how someone will have a picture of Jesus all over. So it was interesting to see that. Yes, and how the whole job really just comes together as a big FUCK YOU TO anthalie I love that. Yeah, cuz that's why he chooses Do it they didn't suffer enough after world war two totally nationalists pile that on also. Yeah, huh. Anyways, my next thing next thing I like I wrote Jani. Do you want to read my first point? It says Michael Caine, a proper gentleman. It's like you didn't even it's like this is the same this is the old document from last week and you didn't even change your number one because everything's the exact same now that's the font actually what I did underline bold Yeah, fun fact for you Jani. Whenever I make a new document, I just make a copy of the old one and then delete all the stuff I figured like same point here. Why Why would I need to adjust this Michael Caine. He's great. Even though his character is non existent. We don't know anything about him. We don't know why he does what he does. And here's the thing even though I'm saying his character is non existent he's one of the few characters that has any kind of rule line to degree or is consistently in the movie we'll get into that later target is to should be for being the protagonist. He has a pretty empty character I there's not much to his character. And that sounds like a knock on it. But I think that is to say that working with almost nothing Michael Caine brings so much to the character and makes them so engaging and charming and witty, on multiple levels. A the personality he's just seems like a really fun, breezy, smooth guy. But he also has that Michael Caine edge, Cockney edge to it. So it's like you have that kind of like contrast that just works so well on Michael Caine. It's like, he'll wear these classy suits and have this great smile and be charming as shit. And then during the highest All he does is basically yell at his crew and call him like fucking idiots the whole time. And yet it works and it's great. And I love it. And it's something where we are talking a little bit about Michael Caine. We're talking a lot about Michael Caine last week was Zulu. And with the Italian Job, this was one of the first young Michael Caine movies I watched and I went Fuck, I did not realize that young Michael Caine is this good. He is great. He carries this movie without even having a character and I think that is such a testament to what an actor can bring especially Michael Caine when they're charismatic and yes, it's like white people like the rock. The Rock is a modern day Michael Caine. I would not say that is a joke, obviously. Come on. Yeah, you would never you would say Ryan Gosling is the modern day Michael Caine. No, oh, wait, no wait. Sorry. Ryan Gosling has charisma. Why wait, what wait by Michael Caine has charisma. What are you talking about? I said Ryan Gosling has no charisma. No, I but you can't say that someone is the modern days. Some it's a joke and say one has charisma and the other it's a joke. Shut the fuck up and stop being a dumb fucking moron. Also, how can you say he has no charisma? I mean, you seen lala land and you see nice guys. Yeah, he's right. He's He's the least kick. He is in a movie with Russell Crowe and Russell Crowe has more charisma that movie than Spock. Shut the fuck up you. I was literally right before we started recording. I was on Facebook and one of my movie groups was posting about nice guys and saying we love this movie. We love Ryan Gosling in this movie. You are wrong. You were just wrong about I love how great I love them too. But what I'm saying is you're fucking wrong. So my last any like Michael Caine my last like speaking of Michael Caine and various positions you might have him in my last like, is the is the cliff agar. It's interesting because not only is it in one of my likes, it's the first time where it's also one of my dislikes, because I'm very split on it. I'll tell you why I like it. It you know, aside from the fact that it might have been it potentially could have set up for a sequel which would have been like called I think the Brazilian job is what I saw where they would be the mafia would have gotten the gold and they would be stealing the gold back from the mafia in Brazil for whatever reason. Now that would have been so much fun and would have been Yeah, it didn't happen sadly. But aside from that, apparently there were like four endings that were written for this and the I think the producer I don't remember the producers name but he didn't like any of them. So they just decided okay, well, why don't we live it? Why don't we let it end on a literal cliffhanger with the bus that they've escaped in with the gold is hanging off of a cliff and it's so unprecedented. You have no idea that the movies going to end there. You could have never guessed if you're seeing it for the first time. Like I did that once they go half of them. The bus goes half over, it's hanging off into the gold just keeps selling Looking down the side or down the middle and Michael Caine has to get on his stomach and start crawling to it. And everybody's trying to keep keep the bus balanced. While he's doing that. Then he turns around, he says, hold on just a minute fellows, I've got an idea. And then it just cuts outside to a helicopter shot and the credits begin rolling it, it really, you know, I'm not one to say like, oh, subverting my expectations is the way to impress me. Because a lot of times I've seen that happen in movies and just been really irritated or ticked off by it or kind of bored. But in this case, it worked. I didn't think it was a bad ending the, the characters stole $4 million, that wasn't theirs, and you have no connection to them as characters, no sort of emotional ties, so you don't necessarily care if they get it. So it's, it's kind of a really good ending, considering, you know, how poorly the characters were built up in the fact that they're doing something that's illegal and criminal and not really justified in any way, shape or fashion. So it's a What is it? It's in terms of goodness, it's just as balanced as, as that buses in the middle, it teeters between good and bad. But at the end of the day, as long as, as long as Michael Caine doesn't get any closer to that stack of gold bars, it'll remain in equilibrium. Shawn, your opinion on the cliffhanger? Ah, my opinion on the cliffhanger is, as stated earlier, in this episode, there are problems with this movie that I can overlook and say, you know, I have an issue with this, but I'm not going to get up in arms about it. This ending though, I fucking hate it. I hate the ending so much one of the most frustrating endings I've seen a long fucking time. I remember when I first watched it a couple months ago, I was just like, Are you fucking kidding me right now. It's just incredibly frustrating. And I understand the what you're talking about with an artistic approach. But for me, it just reeks of the Hays Code and saying, well, the criminals can't get away with getting the gold. So this is a nice in between. and I get that. But here's the thing, if this was a movie, that was more about consequences, they had more depth to it. I could be I could understand why we don't want the criminals to get away with it. And there would be more justification. But for a movie to be so light and so breezy and all about having a fun, good time. That does not think about consequences whatsoever. Whether that be causing actual traffic jams and create like actually breaking laws, you would think that this would not be that the the thing that hang up on it just doesn't mesh with the rest of the movie. And it's just incredibly unsatisfying. I again, I understand why it's there. It's the Hays Code, you got to do what you got to do. But it's just there are other movies of the time that have a similar ending. I'm blanking on names right now. But basically, when everything seems like these criminals should get it and then at the end of the day, whatever goes wrong, and they don't, oh, that was the original Ocean's 11. That's what I'm thinking of. I'm gonna spoil the original Ocean's 11 right now. You don't need to watch it. It's a piece of shit movie. It's truly terrible. But at the end, what they basically do is they steal the money heist is successful, everything is great. But then in order to essentially get the money out of Vegas, what they do is during the highest one of their crew members dies. I can't remember like a heart attack, a get shot or something, I think is a heart attack. But anyways, they had the bright idea of putting the money in the casket and Oh, the casket will get flown out and they'll collect it later. Right. So then this guy gets incinerated at the end, and they all just see the money lit on fire. It's just like you fucking morons. And then the last shot is them just walking out along the street just looking down and sad and depressed. And it's like, I didn't want to fucking watch that and watch the thing about it's not that Oh, it's not that I think about the Italian Job is it's lighter. I got more tongue in cheek to its it. Like I said, there are some sort of satirical elements to it. And that's why I think like the ending is kind of Cavalier and cheeky. I agree. I would say that the ocean's 11. One is more just like sad and depressing where this is more. It's really just alarming and just kind of like we go in and it just suddenly out and we're like, oh, okay, I guess that's where we're gonna end it. I don't have much else to say. I hate it. So LaShawn. What's your last like before We get into those dislikes. Yes. Those least likes those likes that you that you don't like, oh, then they're not like square root of negative like, You're fucking drunk. Okay, you're drunk. So what? Anyways, we've talked about all the stuff. Well, I've talked about two aspects that really make this film special Michael Caine and the car chase. But for me, what really propels this movie into something so special and so unique. And so unlike anything you've seen before, is what I wrote on the outline as car falling off Cliff porn. Because in the very beginning of movie, a car gets blown up all of a sudden, and then the mafia bad guys who blow up the car, take a What is it called? backhoe? That's the machine. I think it's called a backhoe. Yeah, they use a backhoe and basically lift this car and toss it off the cliff and the camera pans and follows this car smashing and falling off this cliff. And you don't think it's going to last as long as it does, but it just keeps continuing to go like what? I didn't know. I need to see this in my life. But that was great. And you go Well, I'm glad I got that in this movie. Wow. That was Oh, no, no. First time I was the first time you thought that wasn't gonna come back. Well, it does. You are raw, like three more times that happens there is Do you remember? No, not not not just three, like four or five? Yeah, it's in the middle of the movie. When they go back to Italy and they encounter the mafia. The mafia destroys each of their cars, and then one of them and astron ours off the cliffs? Yeah. And the thing is, these shots get progressively longer to these instances get longer and longer. Well, there's then at the end, yeah, well, you were about to talk about the fact that they're they dumped the they're why they dumped the minis as so the thing that the way they escaped with the minis out of Turin is they drive them while moving. They drive them in on a ramp into a bus. And then as they're awesome. It's awesome. By the way, no one would do that nowadays would shoot would shoot that. Yeah. But they had to the Swiss Alps. And as they're winding along this very skinny road and this traveling through the Swiss Alps, they open up the back doors, and they release the minis at timed locations. So they'll also plummet down the sides of the mountains. Yeah. And there's that really cool perspective shot where you can tell Yeah, I was Yeah, you say it since you liked it so much. Yeah. So they basically put this camera in the the driver POV of the car. So through the windshield is a shot similar to what they did in the actual Chase. But they do it as they're throwing it off the cliff. And it's so cool. It's unreal, you didn't know you wanted to see that. But like it happened, they actually did it, they put a camera in the car, and then they push that car off the side of the mountain and you want there's like it's for three or four uninterrupted seconds of the car just heading straight for the mountain side. And like this is when we talk about like CGI and how it kind of like distorts things these days. This is such a great example of like, when you really do it, my God, is it. There's nothing better, there is nothing better. And I honestly can't tell you which of these cars they throw off is the best moment. Because each time they throw off a car, it's just something new and special. Like the last one they throw out just automatically blows up right away. Like before it even makes contact. None of the other ones blow up before like on the way down. But this is the only one that does. Yeah. And then we just continue to watch it as it falls down. Each drop is so spectacular, folks. You just got to watch it. It's one of those things where sure you can watch a clip montage on YouTube and see it. But I think there's really something to watch in the movie as a whole. And just seeing these all play out because it's so unexpected, but just so satisfying. And I'll just also say that well this is my favorite aspect of the movie rewatching and again, I almost want to change what I said Cliff falling off porn to just car destruction porn in general. Because there is so much car destruction throughout the entirety of the movie. It's just every five to 10 minutes some car is getting smashed in some degree. It's absurd even when you don't need it. They just throw it in and say we're gonna blow up this thing we're gonna smash this car to bets. Even in one sequence, Michael Caine takes a bike and just tosses it onto like an electrical transformer. It blows up it's just constant constantly doing this and it is spectacular every time well what I love about that shot in specifically this has nothing to do what you're talking about but what I love about that shot specifically is that the scene that comes before it is the mafia talking about the Brits and then the last line is Alta Bonnie the main mafia don saying these Brits aren't as stupid as they look. Smash cut to Michael Caine writing a little bicycle through in the dark up a hill. And it's just it's really great comedic editing. That's something that wasn't in a like, but I feel like it deserves credit where it's due. There's some really funny editing in this movie. Yeah, yeah. Now that that's not enough with the praise. Let's get to the enough of the praise but yeah, okay, can I actually just say one thing off of the editing? Yes, I know. He briefly talked about it. But the cinematography is so beautiful. The colors just really are striking. And it just it complements everything that we talked about with the cars hauling off the cliffs and the magnitude and everything. I just wanted to say that real quick anyways, but yeah, we're gonna there's actually a lot of negatives there's actually a lot of issues with let's move on to this movie. What Nick Cage did to die in Kruger in national treasure? Let's get into submission that episode didn't even air yet Jani that's gonna air after I know. But people who people who have seen the movie it also feel similarly will agree. Don't get the joke. It'll be fine. But I feel like a better joke would have been let's do what to this movie. What Michael Caine does to his mini Coopers and just throw it off the cliff? Or what do joke what Michael Caine did to those prostitutes that his girlfriend got him when he got out of prison very much. Basically. It just Yeah. Or like anybody in his crew, he just yells at them and says they're like fucking idiots all the time. Alright, so you actually said your first dislike, which was the bloody ending the bloody day. So I'll start with my first dislike, which is a dislike we share. And I'm going to say that it was what the New York Times film critic at the time Vincent can be deemed the quote, emotionally retarded characters there. There's just literally no depth to anyone in this movie really got a what, folks? He's not. Why you gotta say it. It's a direct quote. No, it's a direct quote from the from the review. It was a different time. Not great. But that's what was and it's kind of true. There. There's, like, problematic. I don't care. The only character that with any sort of dimensionality to them is Mr. Bridger. And that's because, like I said, he is a crime boss in prison. still pulling all the strings. But yeah, no one else has any sort of depth, good or bad. And, I mean, Benny Hill plays a sex offender who molest fat women in this movie, and it's played as a joke. And granted while it is funny, it does not age well. No, it's kind of cringe worthy seeing it. So like it's extremely cringe worthy. It's if that's like the old and he his character has the I guess, by that definition has the second highest amount of depth to him. And that's it. Which is insane. How does he the computer nerd sex offender have some of the most character development in the movie? Well, yeah, yeah. And he wants to the other thing is the movie just have forgets about him too. He molest a woman, he gets caught molesting a woman on a tram and gets arrested and then they just leave them there. Like they leave them in Turin. Wait, what does he even do? Anyways? I can't even remember what he actually ended up doing. He does not wait, what does he do to the woman? or What does he do to know he designs the plan? He designs the program that causes the traffic jam in Turin that basically enables the whole height so he's important he's integral to the plot, but a lot of problems with him. Yeah, no, a lot of problems. I do hate to say it though. It's really funny. I didn't think it was that funny. I it's it's just alarming to me that this character has two things going for him he has two features feature one is that he's a computer nerd or tech guy, but they very much are you know, there's a 60 so like, here's the nerdy guy used ease, ease a little eccentric. He's a little weirdo. And what's his central system TriCity that he likes a big ladies very they very much stress. He likes them big. He says it multiple times. Also, this movie has an session with the word big for some reason, it comes up multiple times we have big William, who is another crew member who's just for all intensive purposes like a black one. I wish there was more to him. But that's that's just that, but he's on a level playing field with everyone else. He is an alumna. He is on a level playing field with everybody else and that nobody else has any character. I mean, I wrote down there is one guy, Michael Caine, when he's introducing everybody around halfway through the movie, he goes around the room and introduces everybody, all entirely forgettable, you do not remember who these people are out of sync before or after. There's only there's no, there's no recruitment scene, except for the computer guy. And there's one that really stood out to me and which Michael Caine says, you all know, Bill, he's my second in command. And then I wrote, this is the first time we see him and you don't see him again. Or at least you don't remember him if you do that, like for a second. This is essentially the Brad Pitt. It should be the Brad Pitt. And yet, I don't I could not play so I don't remember him at all. If I didn't write that down that the character's name was Bell, I would not have remembered it was bell. Yeah. And like, aside from that there's supposed to be this whole like kind of not whole, but this small romantic subplot between Michael Caine and his girlfriend, Lorna. And the only development it gets is that as he makes her leave Italy, just in case things go awry, as he makes her leave Italy. She realizes that he cares about her and says, You care about me, Charlie, you care. This is a grown woman, by the way saying that and then she shouts I love you as she's I love you, Charlie, as she's leaving. And that's where it stops no depth to this woman either. I'm It's like she has, she has no reason to be here at all. And here's the thing, I feel like a normal situation, I would specifically criticize her character and say, Hey, we didn't give any storyline or development to this female character who supposedly the female lead as a big problem. But when you have a movie where they do not do that, for any character is hard to specifically fault that one instance. It's hard because it's, it's, it's every instance, it's Every character has nothing, just nothing and going off with some of the stuff earlier. I wanted to say it I wanted to save it for now, which is that we also do not know why any of the characters even want the gold in the first place. Aside from the fact why they are who who wouldn't want $4 million doing 4 million Yeah, that's it. Like even in the oceans movies. You have an idea that they're going they're doing it for some kind of reason they want I mean, that's kind of like an instrumental obvious thing for a heist movie. Why are they stealing facial very basic? I don't like Yeah, it's pretty straightforward. And yet no character has any motivation besides Bridger, and his only motivation is just a big fuck it Italians that is it. And going off of that, with what I was saying about Ocean's 11 with this crew, what's even worse is that of having no development, none of them even really have any little eccentricities. I mean, we have the professor. We have that one driver, the car driver Tony, not Tony rigatoni, but another Tony, who has a cap. Oh, yeah, the one with the hab a William. Yeah. And we have a William Yeah, the black one. And then we have like 10 other guys 10 other guys who you would not be able to pick out of a lineup if they were in this movie or not? Nothing, there's nothing to them. And I don't even know what function they actually even serve in the heist. If they drive I don't know. And then there's that busload of guys who leaves under the disguise of being a football fans right there they just those are the guys that helped beat those security guards and cops senseless. That's that's who they are. That's all they did. Stop waving to Carlisle you don't get you don't get to recognize him. Okay, folks, Giannis taking out the moment right now. Carlisle, Giannis cat climbed up on to his desk and is now in front of the camera. So I waved that Carlisle cuz I'm like, hey, Carla, how you doing? And Jani is just berating me for doing so. I don't trust you. I you I left you and Carlyle alone in the room once for like five minutes while you were here and I came back. And Carlisle has been different. There are little little subtleties. Little things he's been doing differently. I don't know what you did to him while you were here happened. That did not happen. I'm concerned. My cat had So I work for fire. I as a concerned owner allergic if you would not address my cat, my eyes are up here. I am allergic to cats. We both know that didn't happen, you fucking liar. So annoying folks I hate I hate Jani side for yourself plus always make enough shit. Who do you believe will mean decide for yourself? Listen to me Believe me listeners if you are longtime listeners and know me well and know Yani to a degree, you know that he lying right now, because he's a liar who lies We know you're a liar, but I'm not going to get into this. And okay anyways, so that's what's what's the next point? Oh well my next is there anything else you want to say? No. Do you want to talk more about the non existent characters in the movie decide to actually talk about it? It's the most it's the most glaring problem. I mean, like, how do you talk about the people that don't exist? What What do you point out specifically? When there's nothing to say? Like, yeah, so I guess one of my dislikes was also the cliffhanger. Basically, you covered everything that I also had problems with. So I don't really know I don't want to go too in depth with the cliffhanger. I liked it. I also disliked it. For all the reasons you stated, I'm still very much on the fence about it. It reeks of the haze, like you said, It reeks of the haze. I hope you tip on over and die. Okay, well, thank you. However, I did want to mention that in 2008, the Royal Society of Chemistry held a contest to determine if there was actually a way for them to get out of that situation and keep the ball and somebody figured it out. They determined that if everyone stood more or less inbound were where they were balancing the bus. And then someone went to the front, broke the glass in the windshield and kept that put it on the floor, broke the glass in a couple of the other windows by them, and then pushed that out the window. So that maybe got rid of I don't know, like 40 or 50 pounds, something like that on that side. And then someone stepped outside and emptied all the air out of the tires that would have made the bus stable enough for them to go and retrieve the gold without worry of it tipping over the side. Oh, you know, maybe they should have added an engineer to their team as opposed to a computer sex pervert. Right? Food for Thought Michael Caine. Because you never know when you're going to be balancing on his side of the cliff. Maybe one of those guys was an engineer and training. Or maybe he was going to go to college to be an engineer and that's what he was going to use the money for. And he's like, shit, I'm too late. I couldn't really use that degree but didn't get to it. Okay, so my second my real Second thing, and it's I only have a second thing I guess. And it's so small to So okay, you remember when Michael Caine Michael Caine is watching the plans. Beckerman Roger Beckerman his, I don't know, what would you call his friend, his acquaintances, peer, whatever, whoever he wants to him. He filmed all of his plans in Turin out now. Right. But he filmed like all of his plans. He talked about where he was going to be where the heist was going to take place when they should do it. You know how they should cause it. He filmed it on location, which raises a lot of questions like who was the camera man in this situation? But more than anything else, what bugged me about that was at the very end of the at the very end of the footage, Roger Beckerman, he's, he's giving what's his name croaker, the the rundown, he walks off screen and you think okay, the shots gonna end there. But then a man walks on screen into frame and this is the streets of turn, mind you. And it turns out that it's mafia boss outta Bonnie. And like, Okay, well, that's, you know, that's suspicious. But it doesn't just stop there. What happens is Auto Body walks into frame and then he approaches the camera. And then the cinematographer reframes him like he tilts up and then he racks focus as he walks up to the camera and it's this really weird like fourth wall breaking moment because they were aware that auto body was there they knew that this guy was also what what what why would the mafia boss be the one doing it? Yeah, right. Like why would it be underling to follow them? Why would it be that obvious? Why don't you see that camera there and go maybe I should just be on the other side of the frame. And it's I don't know it's just it's it's ridiculous and it's not ridiculous in a like, Oh, it's just a goofy like cork sort of thing. It's like this breaks the movie. I have no idea why break it for me. It breaks it kind of like logically To me it breaks the movie because they had to have acknowledged that he was there and then the camera man, it it just doesn't work that he was he was aware everything was there was too much awareness there and Don't know it just kind of drives me crazy that it's in there I'd like some sort I would love to hear the justification for it from the director or writer or Michael Caine Michael Caine if you're listening. Yeah, he's listening right in fk, your fk your opinion podcast@gmail.com and please explain this to me because I don't get it. I got it. I actually got it right. Yeah, you got the podcast name right. All right, Michael. I'm shocked Michael Michael Michael cried. Do it right in give me an explanation. Because I need it because it's, it's in ruin the whole experience for me, I'm just gonna give this movie a 10. But now it gets a four. Not really. We're almost to the end. I'll give my real rating soon. Don't worry. A couple things. I do want to talk about this a little bit. Was it backrub and I thought that footage was not from Beckerman the guy who dies in the beginning. I thought that was from whoever Michael Caine's actual second command is throughout the whole movie that's kind of like the in between between him and Bridger. No, I think that was that was. I think that was Roger. That was a guy who died at the very beginning. We watch it I could have sworn that was I thought I thought I thought I could have sworn It was not I could have sworn it's that other guy and that they were doing the new footage specific law or Bridger? I don't you could be right. You could be right. Sean here with an audio footnote, so I just went back and rewatch the scene or talking about and as expected, folks, yani was wrong, because he's an idiot. Really, really stupid guy. Like I mentioned, like I said, it was the in between guy. Now, I will say that I was watching this on Amazon. It did say the character name. I don't even bother looking at it. Because like we mentioned, these people don't exist. These aren't people. But this is the go between guy between Michael Caine and Bridger. And he specifically says, Mr. Bridger. I think this is impossible. He's specifically talking to Bridger. So Yani is an idiot. He might have been worried about the pressure being the prisoner, but I'm not gonna give it to him. Fuck him. There are so many ambiguities not so many. But there are just enough ambiguity is here to kind of irritate you if you think about it, but again, the heist makes up for all of it. So because here's the thing we never really get to know Beckerman. He's pretty much driving a car in the beginning, which is a great sequence By the way, and it has a really great song was that I forgot the name of the song but great, great song and then he just dies. So we don't know anything about him. But then when Michael Caine is first watching the footage, this black and white footage where he's first describing the plan to Michael Caine, he's basically saying I'm gonna die and here's the plan, the highest you should do and I'm just saying myself How the fuck does he know he's gonna get killed? Well, in that case, know that ahead in the case that he dies. If he does die possibly he just can't let this genius plan go to waste where 10 guys even a jean jumpsuits beat up the escorts and take the gold mediocre. mediocre at best, but you know, small small men have big egos don't know what to what what else to tell you. Yeah, Shawn, all five foot two of you that are not five to you piece of shit. I'm six feet on full sex. No. Otherwise you would be included in our in our weekly memos. I would see your email on there. You're saying that there's a weekly memo for everybody? That's six feet and above? Yes. How many millions of people would be on that list? It's It is very lengthy. But you know what list is lengthier? I don't even want to ask the list of people not on it. And we keep track of them too. And Shawn, let me tell you Oh, I thought you were going for a dick joke right there. That's where you are. Now that's a different that's a different memo. I'm an I'm an even more exclusive group for that. Can I ask who runs this memo? Who runs this group? Ron Jeremy. From Crescent. Oh, Ron Jeremy's right. So that's the big. I was talking about the six feet not the big dick. Oh from prison? No, no, the guy who runs the six foot group. Well, who else shot armie hammer. Oh my god. Come on. He's got the connections. He's a hammer, which means he's the heir to the baking soda fortune. He's got everything going. He's got power of money looks women looks. It's got everything. Nothing wrong with armie hammer right now. He's definitely not a cannibal. What? You haven't read about this? No, I haven't. We've talked about it. Oh my God. He's, he's basically ex girlfriends have come out against them and say Not only is he abusive, but there's a good chance he is either very interested in being some type of cannibal to a degree or is actually partaken in something similar to that. So what you're saying is what you went on was right. That's what not what. By the point. The point is that armie hammer basically got dropped from five projects in the past three or four months. So he's not doing too hot right now. There's a chance he never comes back. There's a chance we do not get that call me by your name sequel that I know you desperately wanted. Oh, so much, especially because it's based off a close friend of mines personal life experience shot. So let's wrap this bad boy up. Final thoughts. Well, I want to make a joke off of that. I was gonna say, you know, I'm so sad and alone and depressed right now that that would actually be a positive thing. If that story were true for me. That's where I'm at with life. The key part, your last point, what is your last point? Yeah, my last point, and I would be Timmy Shamil child may obviously, obviously. Anyways, my last point my Well, what I actually wrote in my notes for the previous point we talked about with the characters was, this movie doesn't give a shit about the characters dash, the crew. And then my second dislike was, this movie doesn't give a shit about the characters dash the mafia. Because the mafia are set up to be the big bads, the antagonists for this crew to overcome. They're set up in the very beginning in this really cool fashion by the hillside, they're all along this hill, all in black is very menacing is very foreboding, it's really cool. And then when they're brought up again, in the middle of the movie, it's also like, Oh, shit, these guys are going to be a strong opposition to Michael Caine and his crew and then they are essentially forgotten about they come up at the very end in like one or two very brief snippets to go like, oh, what's going on? We better figure out what's the deal is and maybe that's setup for the sequel you were saying was potentially about to happen but they do not have any role in the final heist and it is so weird to me to set them up and then have them again not be involved in any way it's insanely frustrating and annoying. And it's like why not even have because you in the car chase scene we have police officers chasing our main crew, why not even have an extra car one other car that has a group of the mafia guys in it chasing down our main guys so maybe they turn down one street and just evade the cops and then they run into the mafia guys in their cars. I don't know why that didn't happen. It's such an easy fix and it should have been there reset up so to not have it is it just it doesn't make any sense to me to have such strong setup and then not to pay it off in any way worse yet. They're the mafia is tailing the convoy at the start when the when the jam happens, but it's autobody himself and another guy it's not like he's having he's had you know for underlings or someone else do it know that guy it at the very top is performing this? The surveillance he's very much like I just got to do it myself. It doesn't it just doesn't make any sense. It's like where are the other guys? Where are the couple dozen guys who were there at the start and then they're in the middle Do ya thing is they all were very distinctive outfit. So it's not like if we had Rambo, we wouldn't figure out that they were mafia we would know right away. Yeah. That's not like, You're right. I can't deny it. You're right. The villain. Well, the main characters are the villains. Honestly, let's let's be real. Everyone's a villain. There's not a good person. Not Not a good one among them. I don't know that Benny Hill character. You would just getting tasteless. It's a joke. It's a joke here about what armie hammer did Sean and can't joke about that anymore? I can't believe you didn't even know that. It's been months. I could have sworn I brought that up with you. You were so stupid sometimes. So Final Thoughts anyways, what's your final fucking rating? Final rating or Final Thoughts? Final Thoughts? This one's fun. Sean, I didn't think you were going to pick a movie ever that I would actually like ever, like legitimately start to finish. I wasn't going to groan watching but I did. It was only an hour 39 minutes. It was a lot of fun. wasn't perfect. Far from it. But I would overall I would call this good I would I call it good and I would definitely watch it again and I would recommend it to people and for that Reason and because you don't allow decimal points for some reason, I'm going to give this one flat seven, just like you. That's the highest I've rated anything of yours. Is this the first time we've given the same rating to a movie? Yes. Yeah, I think it is. Wow, that's pretty shocking. Stop the presses crazy. So Shawn, now I have to know, what are we watching? What are we watching this not because we watched Zulu last week, and we watch this movie. And in both instances, these are movies that the other quote unquote disinterested party that should not like it actually ended up liking the movie and giving a high rating. And normally what we do on the 10th episode, is that because we want to balance things out, we pick a movie that well who are pick the last one, the ninth one, so me would pick the 10th one, that would be a movie that we both like, I'm torn right now. Not that I'm going to like pull one over on you and be Haha, it's actually a movie you hate. It's just there are two movies that I really like that I want to pick and let's talk it over and see what you think. You know what these movies are we've talked about in the past, but while this cache is is Kelly's Heroes, which I think is a really great one because it came out within the year of Italian Job so we have that it's also a heist movie. And also funnily enough The last time I got to pick this 10th was the general which is another war comedy so it'd be funny if war comedy is the trend that I'm going for. But the other one is I just love Dirty Rotten Scoundrels so much. That's a coroner's movie, so not totally heist but kind of heist and also has Michael Caine I could go either way. I think we should do Kelly's Heroes because we can do Dirty Rotten Scoundrels. Anytime, anytime. It's certainly going to be an episode that's going to come up because and Kelly's Heroes. I just love that movie so fucking much. I love it. I love them both to Kelly's Heroes, though, has been something that's been has been a movie that's been with me since I was a little kid since I was maybe like nine or 10. When my dad showed me when I was young, I loved it. Then I watched it again recently, not recently, but like within the last few years. It still holds up so well. There's so many aspects that I would love to compliment. Yeah, just Lord for an hour and a half. So I say Kelly's Heroes definitive answer. Okay, we'll do we'll do Kelly's Heroes. I will say what this it's kind of funny, and I'll talk about this more on the episode when we do it. But this is the first Clint Eastwood movie I picked. Clint Eastwood is one of my favorite actors and was a very formative actor for me. When I really got into movies. In my teenage years, I was really obsessed with Clint Eastwood. And this was one of those movies that no one really talks about in the Clint Eastwood Pantheon, but is just so good and so much fun. And I rewatched it a couple months ago, around when I actually first watched The Italian Job, and like you said, it holds up it's really good. So this is gonna be a fun episode, folks. So that definitely Tune in next week as we do Kelly's Heroes. It's going to be great, or it's going to make a lot of jokes about oddball all the time and burning bridges. That's what we do on this podcast. We burn bridges. We've been burning this bridge for eight years, seven years. Wait, how long has it been? Now? I don't know. I don't remember five years, four years, something like that. Who knows podcast has been a year Can you believe we've been doing this podcast for a fucking year? I can't believe it. I've aged six years in the time and I think it's all directed all directly stems out. Fuck you. You enjoy this. You like doing it? You like doing it? You fucking ass also prove it. Prove it. you prove it. Prove it.