Ep 6: F**k Scooby Doo: The Movie!

Scooby Doo Where are you? Got not in my top 10 list. Okay, nine your top 10 not in my top 3000 cool probably in my it well, it would be in my top. You don't have to get into that shit right now we aren't I'm not getting into it. I'm just no I'm just letting you know. Okay, I really dislike this I figured Yeah. Hmm. Also I just realized, you know, I realized after doing that I got way too drunk during that. Yeah, you started having a lot of fun. I think we both right. That's right. We both drink but I got it's it's one that I got very lispy you know, and I didn't realize that I do that. So I do your lispy boy Well yeah, but I was particularly egregious during that episode. So our particular groups are throwing about is this is this something gonna keep on doing you're gonna keep on give me this shit. Oh my god. I'm gonna keep on giving you shit all I want. You know the problem with that. I'm just getting though. I still think I need one a drink. Like I did another one of my coffee whiskies but like, I want to have something to be loose but not to see and I'm not so I'm not. Don't turn off my brain too much, you know, but I'm sorry was your brain on your you know, you're you're not a dumb fuck. I might hate your opinions. But you're denied dumb fuck. So I gotta be on you know you're telling me that that the sauce? You think the sauce makes you smarter? it sharpens your debate. No, I'm saying too much too much sauce. Those might debate but enough sauce gets me saying shit. I just thought of Popeye and spinach. Do you like spinach? No, the sauce is alcohol by the way. You wouldn't make it in the Navy. No, I want it. I'm gonna go to that's basically all we do. I tell my roommate to make a look wider and then we can start going down. Good. Do you okay? Yeah, sounds good. Alright, can you turn it down a little banner in front of work. And here? I am Sean Corbin. And I do podcasts in my roommates house using Nothing. Nothing. I'm gonna hear it later. So you better fucking doubt me. I didn't say a single thing. Not one word. Other Not a word. Don't worry. Let's just get let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. Getting Started. Let us get started. So Yoni how's your week been? How's uh, how's everything going? Oh, well, you know, I'm just like everyone else. I'm sequestered. Self isolated, huh? Yeah. Sad. I mean, you're always like that though. You're always a sad little baby. Well, yeah, you know, I mean, not not any different now. I've almost I'm almost toilet trained. I'm working almost out of the diaper. Yeah, okay, I gotta ask you're almost toilet trained. But you don't have a toilet. So what do you do about that? Actually? No, I finished renovating the bathroom even in all seriousness, I finished it. I have a toilet now. Oh, congratulations. No more need to you know shit in your sink. I was I was just I was I was in that it was I was in the shower and I would just have to stomp it through the creek. Is that when you actually did? No, of course not. I think I actually took that joke from a family guy. American Dad or something just enough folks he actually did he didn't shit in the saying but you know he passed in it so that's going in he doesn't come on who doesn't most people okay listeners I want you to write in Do you piss in your sink? I'm just curious. Let us definitely in case you forgot or wait no you're bringing this up because because of that one time when I stayed with you I I admitted after the fact of doing it multiple times right oh my god I forgot about that. Yeah, no, really this was a no I you know it's really in relation to that one time you went on the break and then you pissed in your your sank and I said you don't have a toilet where do you go to the bathroom? And you said I did it in the sink? And then you brought that back up? Well yeah, I also did it in your kitchen sake when I was visiting you that one time not availing. You were sleeping. I was sleeping on your you were staying with me. Okay, folks. So this is this is something that will come up time and time again. So if you're about to break up the car, swear to God, if you're about to break up the cot. This is going to get I'm going to leave. Okay, folks. So, my good friend Eonni He needed a place to crash or a couple of weeks, like couple weeks a month or something like that. Right? And he didn't want to sleep on my couch because it was just uncomfortable for him. So I had a cot that he could and I said, Okay, you can use my cot he thanks me uses the cot literally the next day. He starts he closes it and breaks it. Now one night us out of this fucking caught on that was it was done. He broke it. I did it. I did it in one move in one movement. And it's just the basics at home. If if you if you want to know I'm pretty sure I'm a strong guy, folks. I want you to know it's been five years and I still bring this was a this was a Coleman cut that that'll that'll set you back about $45 at Walmart. I'm just saying when I moved to Los so this was before I moved to Los Angeles, when I moved to Los Angeles. I could have really used a cot. Oh, hey, Sean, do you live in Los Angeles? I didn't know that bringing up again. You live in Los Angeles doesn't matter. It just matters that I moved. That's all that matters. What matters is that I moved and I needed a place to crash. I didn't have a really good living situation for a couple weeks. So as I was literally at one point on a I kept the pad so I kept the pad and I was at one friend's place and it was so filled up with people that could only sleep on the floor sorry, asleep on the pat on the floor, and people had to step over me to go to the bathroom. I caught would have been really handy in that situation. But you know what? I didn't have one. You want to Why? Because Jani broke Jani broke it after using it one single time. You know I was going to get you a copy for your birthday this year. But now Why did he do it the best couple years you had years and years and years. And you know why? Well we don't know I said instead of giving me a cot for my birthday, he just give me I don't want to say what but really shitty ganz folks at home. It's the best gift ever you'd ever get to know about it. You don't want to know Trust me, I just say involves a bag of candy corn and other unmentionables. But it's it's the sort of thing you hang in your bathroom. It really is moving on. Anyways, hello, hello. Hello, and welcome to fuck your opinion, a movie review podcast where my friend Jani and I, oh, I keep making this mistake. I keep calling you my friend in the beginning and realizing we're not friends, because you broke my fucking car. Satan's best friends you're just with the are in a little in some brackets where we're friends. So this is a podcast where me and this cop breaking motherfucker watch movies. Each week one of us picks one that we really love that we know that the other will really hate and vice versa. Every week trade back and forth one week. I love the movie that we watch. Like this week we watch Well, we'll get into that a bit. And other weeks. I really hate and I just want to kill myself. Like next week. I'm sure I'll probably you know take a cyanide pill or something. You should find a third way to describe the same thing or next week. I'm just gonna you know, in mid watch of whatever film we're watching just you know, tie that noose I got you know, just hanging around the corner and just put it up. Hang it around. What corner? Wait, did you get the noose around the corner or what I'm saying I have the news in the corner of my room. And I'm just gonna dust it off, take it out, put it up and you know, get some use out of it. But like the car, it's a one time use kind of thing. Folks at home I don't I don't condone this. I this is just this is I know I know. Your your you like using things multiple times. You know, I get it. I get it. You know, after after after I'm done. You know, you're like I can't just throw away the news. I got to use that for something else. That's good rope right there. Well, yeah, usually, I mean, if it's if you think it's going to support the weight of the human body, which can be anywhere between 127 pounds I will an adult I mean, if we're talking like adults 127 two. I mean, if you're, you're probably not going to be super overweight and hanging yourself. I imagine so 127 to maybe 248 Hey, Jani, I was talking about I got a question for you. Did your parents name you Jani? Because you make people yawn, because that explanation I checked out halfway through. I mean, you're given me nothing there. You're just really boring. Much like your taste and fell. Oh, oh, okay. So let's get to this this week. We watched a few of my choosing and I stress film. Even though it's called the Scooby Doo movie, Oh, is it just called Is it the Scooby Doo movie? Or is it just Scooby Doo? Scooby Doo movie? I don't know cuz I'm looking at the case right now just as Scooby Doo cuz it's just scoop in case you're wondering, I do own the film on DVD. I own this thing. I had it as a kid. I got rid of it for some reason. Then in college, I realized I really love this movie, I want to Half Price Books, and I bought another copy of Scooby Doo. That's how much I love this movie. You know, I think if they were to recycle plastic celluloid material, something like that, to create a second use or a multiple use sort of film reel, this movie would be printed on us Capri Suns. This is just a Capri Sun of a film movie. Sorry, I have to make that distinction. This is a movie, you know, I the M stands for money. I B. And dunkaroos. Yeah. Yeah, so let's get into this. So first, if this is your first time listening, what we're going to do is the chooser of the film. So that mean, yours truly is going to talk about why he chose the film, why he loves it, why he thinks maybe the other person would not and a rating. So I chose the Scooby Doo movie, I'm just gonna call it that is that that's it's just the Scooby Doo movie. I should because you don't want to associate with a better with a better property. But go ahead. I chose the movie because it's a film that I saw as a kid, as I feel like most of us did. I really loved it back then. But looking back, I was probably too young to appreciate a lot of what makes it really strong and really great and really fun. When I watched it a couple years ago in college, what I realized was it and part of this is because James Gunn wrote a script. It's very clever. It's very funny and fun as often taking Scooby Doo that concept. It's stories, both being playful with them, subverting them, parading them, making fun of them, but also just loving them. It's it's all these things in one. It's such a fun and clever film. So much of the time. These jokes I will get into later when I'm sure we both wrote out long lists of things that go on in this film. But Shawn, I literally filled my whiteboard up. I don't have a single square inch free of space to write on it. You know, now that I'm doing this, I'm writing more and more notes. I wrote like five pages of notes, but it's all like I love this bit. I love that bit. Oh boy, my PUD. Where is it? And how can I spank it? There are a lot of great jokes in this film. I love how it plays off of Scooby Doo. I just love that I hope it plays off Scooby Doo. It's a Scooby Doo. It's almost like a 21 Jump Street weirs and years before that, where it's parroting it and making fun of that concept. But at the same time, I'm blanking on the word. But it's still embracing the heart of what makes Scooby Doo Scooby Doo. And every time I watch it's such a rewatchable movie. I don't always get something new out of it every time. But every time I do watch it, I get a kick out of it. I watched it just yesterday, I enjoyed the hell out of it. And before we started this podcast, I almost wanted to watch it again. It's that fun of a film. So as far as rating is concerned, I'd give it an eight out of 10 that's what I would give it Well, folks, you're not going to hear my writing for another hour, I imagine but I can guaran damn tee. It's not that maybe a fraction of that. But it's definitely not that I have a question. Did you have any good things you want to say? Now? Do you have any good things to say about this? This this one? There was one good joke in this movie and it's Melvin do and that's it. That is the one joke in this movie. It's the one thing where I'm like, that's actually remotely funny and everything else is soft Mork or trite well Jani next we do a a plot summary by the person who did not pick the film by the disinterested discomforted or disaffected party. Yeah, why is it gotta be party? Why you said the same shit in the previous episode. I can't be the person didn't like all I gotta be pretentious like that. Life's life's a carnival, Shawn, sometimes that carnivals on Island and sometimes that island is a place you go to when when you want to die. How about you start on with that summary? Okay, here's my summary. Let's pull it up in my notes. There we go. Clear the throat. Jesus. It's the mystery gag like you've never seen them before. glanced up like a feral pig and a key to your address complete with half 30 Huber and half complete with non existent or trite character arcs. This time hot on the trail of the mystery of spooky eyelid hot with all the charisma about Hollywood screenwriter writing his live action Scooby Doo adaptation of His daily diet of Cody did sailor Jerry's was supposed to be funny. I think that was pretty funny. I just want to point out listeners every single time we've done a plot summary, we've not been able to finish it and we've been cracking up this motherfucker. He had opportunity to do something really funny and clever. I didn't look good once. It wasn't funny. You were trying too hard to be funny. And he just was probably the voice all agree maybe the voice was too much. But it's no two penises with handguns. I'll tell you that. Oh, you told me that wasn't funny when I did it also. So I just think that you're a little too biased against against me. Oh, yeah, I do hate you. So yeah, let's talk about that story. Oh, boy. What's the story if if you can call it that story? What's the mystery? What is the mystery? What's Have you What on earth is the actual mystery? You'll want to know what the mystery is that college kids are acting normal? No, no, I what I want to know is No, you know what, let's just you talk about it because I can't I don't even know where to take this one. Let's just start we'll kind of work our way through the plot from the beginning to the end, see where we go or dips or dies? Because I'm sure Jani is going to have multiple digressions. So the right the opening of the film in the factory, the toy factory, which I don't know if you notice Jani, did you notice the toys that were being made? Yeah, I can't say I did. But were they Scooby Doo toys Sean? No, they were Pamela Anderson dolls. I don't understand why. I mean, the fact that she's there is hilarious, but the fact that Oh, it's Pamela Anderson Dawes Oh my god, it's just ridiculous. Right off the bat. It really dates this movie. Like it really dates really hard and early 2000s The movie is dated hard in that it's of that timeframe. But I listen, I look at that time frame this Now typically, it just hinges the entire, like 60% of the humor in this movie. And just entirely on topical humor. 60% of it was Sam Anderson or when old man Smithers is caught and they pull his mask off. And he's talking about like, like, why Pam Anderson won't date him. He says, and I quote, I wrote this down. This is an exact quote from the movie. I am a Loverboy of George Clooney and proportions. Nobody has cared that much about George Clooney. There are maybe five topical jokes throughout the film. There are more than that. But for the most part still contextually I don't I feel like that's fine. And I don't I don't think like you brought brought that up because you don't I love that he did it. Just because Pamela Anderson, who is just a million times out of his league, it doesn't even make any sense. So he would think he would even have a shot is like, Oh, darn her. It was funny. I thought that was clever. I didn't think it was what you thought his plan was. I thought it was know is playing as dumb as I have. You know, let me take that back. It wasn't clever is not the right word. I just thought it was humorous the motive they gave him because it was so over a top and silly. What I love about this opening to the film is that it so succinctly and so efficiently sets up who each character is both in terms of their contribution to the team, but also who they are character wise their little quirks For example, when Fred looks at the mirror winks himself and is like Oh, I'm so cool. I love those little bits because it's their flaws and their issues. And those are the issues that you know, issues all the character flaws and characteristics that they've had in the original Scooby Doo show. Like you know how Fred in every episode was always using his his his Joe yoy abilities his his rope Dart abilities to swing rope like objects around his body and attack criminals like he was with the fire hose when you first saw him. That was my favorite part of the original Scooby Doo show as a kid, and I love that they brought it back for the movie. loved it so much. It made 100% sense there was nothing in it at all. That was preposterous. I'm rolling my eyes whatsoever. I want x No, no, no, no, I want you to explain that to me. Right now you explain why Freddie Prinze? Jr. New rope Dart? Tell me who cares? It's a movie with a fucking talk. It's like no, it's like the only reason he knows how to do it. So he can come back an hour later. By the way, this movie it's an hour and 25 minute shot but let me tell you it took me three hours to get through it because I had to pause maybe every two minutes to write something down about how much I hated it an hour later. They use a rope in the trap to catch what eventually is scrappy Doo, but we'll get to that we'll cross that bridge. That flaming bridge later that's opening No, it's just the rope. It's why does he know the rope? It doesn't it's it's like his whole life. Is the rope is his character arc is that that is that is bugged yeah it's more or less the rope the rope he's swinging around has more character arc than Fred himself does White's know Fridays are no oh my gosh our complex character arc but it's definitely an arc he definitely gets the characters later to character oh he never changes at all but we'll get to that later moving on we'll move on and we'll talk about that later. Okay it's frustrating since I was a child since I was like seven anyways so I feel like that opening really does a great job at setting ever all the characters up all their confrontations up later so they solved the mystery great great loon ghost low side note I did find it will silly little comical bit of a flaw but I forgive it because I understand what it's doing that factory setup made no sense whatsoever. How do those things translate to making Pamela Anderson dolls? I will not understand well, they needed a celebrity and Pam was probably the one that I know I'd say why is like the skateboard ramp. Why is it the way not because the very boring was very popular. In the mainstream was trying to co op byowner culture. That's the conveyor belt to create the toys. What part of what does each of those things function in a sense to create that doll? I don't know. I just gave you your explanation. It needed to bring in all that skateboarder demographic well that's why I'm saying that's why I forgive it that's why I am fine with it. I enjoyed it. That's why I damn it. That's why I condemn it to to one of the deepest darkest coldest centers You know why? I want you to recollect the the ending of a skateboard you might have that skateboard ends its story. It starts in the beginning as a simple skateboard and ended story smashed on the conveyor belt just crushed that I want to put your head in that conveyor belt and just you know what it is if the choice was between that and watching Scooby Doo again, I would lay down and do it for you. Okay, well, let's go let's do it. Or you know what, I'm pretty sure that set has been deconstructed since probably, I mean, it's been close to 20 years since they probably shot that scene so 20 years I'll just call it Freddie Prinze Jr. and be like Yo, speaking of which, this movie probably destroyed every single one of those actors careers. The only one I think that walked out of it alive was Rowan Atkinson. Barely that he was barely that's the only reason why he didn't kill Scooby Doo his career data. Well, you know what? How many CGI Scooby Doo is have you seen in movies in the last like 15 years shows no one coming out? No. Like when was the last CGI like when did CGI Scooby last act? I didn't see him in 12 years of slave. I didn't see him in boyhood, which also takes place over 12 years. I didn't see him an Argo. I didn't see him and the king speech. I didn't see him and moonlight La la la. He wasn't in any of these movies. Sean unequivocally Scooby Doo killed CGI, you know by doing you know, Scooby Doo, or in any of those movies, you know, I'd be down for it. I would love it. You know, school. You know what movie Scooby Doo should have been in the artist. Imagine Scooby Doo and the artist is that little dog? And he's like Scooby Doo. And then again, you get the card because you can't hear anything because it's a silent movie. Just garbage ever. Do. You know, I heard he made it. He was one of the last choices for that live action Marmaduke adaptation. I didn't get it for guy. It was his last shot. Oh, you know Scooby Doo where this is really sad. A Scooby Doo or a real dog. It'd be dead today because I was 20 years ago. You would have been dead in the 70s No, not 80s he would have been dead. No, I'm saying it's Yeah, no, no, but that's a cartoon. I'm saying if real dog that was a real doc. They used a real dog in that movie. He'd be dead. Well, thank god half the time it was a grown man just wearing that what must have been a very uncomfortable dog suit. Thank you Scooby Doo. Thank you for all your hard work. Anyways, moving on. CGI Scooby Doo not regular Scooby Doo. Got a Columbine? I know you wanted to talk about that. So let's talk about the ending of the opening scene where shaggy compares everybody to different parts of a Sunday? Yeah, so Shaggy, when the gang is obviously about to split up because the movie needs them to split up because unless they split up the movie can't happen. So obviously they have to have a divorce and all go their separate ways for them. To come back together later on in the film, but before that Matthew Lillard as shaggy makes his best effort to adhere the group back together by comparing them all to a banana split. And he says that Fred is the big banana, which seems like it had sexual undertones at the time and still does now. Daphne is Romy and gum flavored ice cream because she doesn't exist. And if she did, no one would want it. I like astronomy and Velma is the sweetened soured mustard sauce, which seems I don't know. There was just something about that that seemed a little off. I will say to me ever caught not as off is the fact that shaggy forgot himself and Scooby in this little analogy, because he can do yeah, cuz they don't do anything. And Fred acknowledges that they don't do anything and they're totally fine with that they're like no, you talk as much trash about us as you want Fred will go do our thing. You do your thing. take all the credit the end of the day talking about later in the movie just Yes they do. When Fred is like Scooby Shaggy, you guys do whatever you do. I love that that was so funny. And they like cross their eyes and their tongues are hanging out of their mouths and they just say though, okay, that was one thing they do. They just they own the van. That's it. shaggy owns the van Scooby shaggy dog and Shaggy drives them around, and they get high. Considering the number of times that characters allude to his testicles or a scrotum. I'd say Scooby would be the nuts in this banana split. I don't know if nuts going banana splits. I don't I don't eat them. But I'm just gonna go ahead and guess and Shaggy is like the damp napkin that's absorbing the melting ice cream that you hold it with. Okay, so there's your analogy. Just to recap, Fred's the banana Daphne pastrami and gum flavored ice cream belma sweet and sour mustard sauce, Scooby knacks, shabby napkin, nuts, Scooby nuts. I thought it was a funny bit. I like I didn't think it was funny at all. It's like what you do you just compare things to stupid. make stupid analogies, food analogies. That's what you do. I don't think anyone would call a porterhouse. A stupid food, Shawn. That's an expensive cut of meat. I'm not calling that stupid. I'm just saying your analogies are stupid. Anyways, moving on, yada, yada, yada. They all get recruited to go to spooky Island at New spooky amusement park because apparently, something's going on there. And we get the team back together. They all meet up at the airport catch up, are all still kind of distant from each other. I love how Fred has a book Fred on Fred, the many faces of Fred. I just love making fun of his ego. That's a particular I guess, kind of character. I enjoy watching and movies deflating that kind of egocentric jock character making fun of it. So I enjoyed that out. It was fun. Usually there are negative repercussions to the way that that egocentric character acts though, okay, normally there are negative repercussions. But there is not a single time in this whole movie that that bites him in the back, you know, not not once he succeeds in spite of it. And he continues to be that arrogant, self satisfied person. The movie just doesn't mention it. They don't acknowledge it. And if they do show that he has like some semblance of change at the end, when he gives Velma the spotlight, they don't actually show how he changed or what interactions with her or other characters changed him or precipitated that change? Yeah, sure. I was a little overlooked. But at the same time, I know he was not there. Oh, it wasn't there at all. Make an argument? What was your argument every time his character something's there, you say? Your god damn. I say it's not there. And you say, oh, Shawn, were you not looking? Yeah, Jill had all this shit gone. Once upon a time in the West. I'm like, No, it's not fucking there. You can do the same shit back and forth. pitch, you know? Present. Contemplate. Okay, that's what it is. That's my argument. It's contemplate him in front of his being contemplated. You don't need to specifically say it all the time. Oh, that's my argument for you. You're just shouting now? Yeah, I'm just shouting cuz I'm angry. That's exactly what you're doing. You're angry because you figured out that I'm right. No, that's why No, you're not right. You're just you can't take it both ways. You can only push one way out. You can't take it back. Tell me tell me this. Shawn, tell me this. What would a hydro powered missile defense system do and how would it actually work? You'll want to tell me that what does that have to do with anything? Because that's what Velma had been up to doing at NASA for the last two years. And I just want to know what exactly a hydro powered missile defense system is, how it works and what it would actually be used for because it could be used for because I can't stand sounds like she was saying big words in a kid's movie to sound like she was doing something Think smart? Yeah, cuz she's a smart patootie. She's smarty pants. You know. So what what's the what's the issue? What's the problem with that? No. I think it was I think it was brilliant writing absolutely not saying that wine was brilliant. I'm not saying that decision was brilliant but what what's the what's the what's the point trying to make? What's the big poopoo the point I'm trying to make is that I did not realize I left Fisher was in this movie until this time around this is the third time I've seen it and I didn't realize Mary Jane was played by Eileen Fisher so you're just gonna ignore right now because you just skipped over this bit you're gonna ignore Scooby trusting as grandma you're gonna ignore that but you know actually that it's just it's so if for a second you thought that this movie could exist in a real world a great day and dressed like a woman Well okay, I mean he speaks English so here's the other thing going back to this is Scooby are we supposed to believe that Scooby Doo First of all, his name is actually first name Scooby last name do are we supposed to believe that he is a registered citizen of the United States he's got a social security card you can't say the same he's got a social security card. Got a passport when? When the courier comes to deliver the message to Scooby and Shaggy he says Mr. White Mr. shag wait do we hear shaggy his last name I don't remember I can't check you have a last name. But he says Mr. Do so we know that Scooby has a last name and at some point, I don't know where it is. I'm forgetting it right now. But there's something else that happens that kind of acknowledges that Scooby Doo might be considered a US citizen. Does he have the right to vote? Well no. Here's the other thing that's right. No. Do we find out like in our democrat we find out that he is Scooby Doo a Democrat or Republican who did you vote for in the last election? That's what I want. I know Scooby Doo has a soul his soul is taken out of his body. What is he is he is he a human soul? That was like somehow through the misfortunes of fate crammed into a dog's body? Is that what happened? Is that why he's so innocent and why he has to be the pure one to be sacrificed to make scrappy do the all powerful being at the very end? Well here's here to double down on your question if that's what we horrifies. What about scrappy then because scrappy has got to came come from wherever Scooby came from. So there's a there's a thing in this world there was talking about well the other thing is I mean, they abandoned scrappy in the middle of the desert. I don't know which desert it is. I'm assuming they shot in LA so it had to be somewhere in danger. Death Valley, Australia by the way, I looked this shot in Australia. Okay, so that's even worse than death valley. That's worse than death valley in a lot of ways. So they abandoned him in the middle of Australia. Keep in mind this isn't like Scooby Doo his cousin or his brother or a friend. This is supposed to be his nephew with a growth defect. So he just left his nephew he had his Fred's and left his nephew at the middle of the desert. What did he tell his sibling? I don't know if it was his sister or brother but what do you tell them? I don't know. I want to see this could be do have a sister or his grandparents like I want to know this. I want to know about scoobies family James Gunn right. Your sequel? He did? Right? Well, your second sequel, The third one? The third one I want the third iteration I want to know give me the whole like Scooby the whole do background family history. I want to know I want to know the genealogy I want to know about when Scooby Doo. What's his Where's he from? When when Scooby Doo his great grandfather Yeshua do came over to the United States on a steam boat. I don't know all this, but you get what I'm saying? Right? I mean, you open up a lot of doors when you make small little jokes like that. Not to say that it isn't fun poking a hole in it. It is but do you really expect yourself to keep yourself warm with a blanket? That's one complete piece or one that has hundreds of tiny little holes in it? I don't know what to say that. I don't know if I understand. A warm blanket. Scooby Doo is not a warm blanket. He's just for show. He's a warm black. That's my argument. He makes me feel good about myself. So yeah, he's a warm, but if you go out into Antarctica, with Scooby Doo wrapped around your shoulders, you will freeze. That's if you take your holy Scooby Doo blanket of my Scooby Doo blanket is big. It's it's reality. No, it's reality. The blanket is the same either way. It's just how you look at matrix this is your whatever you think your blanket is and what it is. And my blanket is big and warm. Great. That's my Scooby Doo blanket. Okay, well since we're just we're just dropping turn of the century of references, Oreos, Capri Suns limp biscuit. Are you even going right now? Let's go back. I know that's kind of Fisher. I love Fisher. She's beautiful. Married to Sasha Baron Cohen. I don't know how that happened. I don't know. He's better than makes sense. What makes sense why she's in this movie at the time. She's kind of just The very attractive romantic interests who also happens to eat dog food. I love that shaggy had a romantic love interest I thought that was a storyline you wouldn't necessarily put what that character but it was fun it was I didn't do anything nothing happened nothing happened with that with at all like they he was attracted to her because she eats dog treats and because obviously she's attractive because she's I have a fisher and then they they spend time together but you don't really see what they bond over and bond over. They're just attracted to each other because the movie tells them they need to be and that they don't even like wind up together at the end it doesn't matter because it's always been about Shaggy and Scooby like this man loves his dog more than he can love any other human being or a van I'm sorry this isn't no or communist Poland. So when that happens, you know in my movies, it's feels forced in your movies. Oh, no. But anyway, I made you're just you're stating facts now what we want today what what was the temperature in California today Sean, if we're just stating facts, stating facts moving on. Okay, so they get to spooky Island. Here's you know, okay, here's here's one thing that I thought was actually legitimately smart. Melvin do a side four is it Melbourne, Melbourne is not Melbourne right now, when we're introduced to a meal. And I'm not going to try to say this last name multifarious. I'm a big nerd for this movie. By the way. When we're introduced to a meal, the first time we see him, he's in this robot greeting this greeting robot costume. And he's shaking his arms and he's saying hi. And that's the most either intentionally or unintentionally brilliant allusion to the characters actual identity that there could have been, because it he's a man inside of a machine inside of a suit saying hi to these people, as if it's pointing a finger directly at scrappy do inside the meal montage of various outfits. This movie's smart and clever, but you don't want to give it that No, no, it's not that is the one instance of actual intelligence in this whole film movie. All right. Well, I want to I thought that was smart. But another bit I want to talk about it's a little joke. I just want to mention it. After that a little bit. Daphne puts down her bag. She's like, Oh, I didn't want to meet. Let me get the quote because I wrote this whole quote down. Daphne says, I was afraid I was gonna have to carry my bags to the hotel then Mont varius says, that's what spooky Island is all about realizing your worst fears. That's a great line. I thought that was hilarious. Haha, he was funny. And then he says You Won't you won't want to run into me and why don't you want to want to run into me in a dark alley? And that's one way to tell you you don't want to run into me in a dark alley. Yeah, I'd probably step off. I never knew moving on. So as they're obviously there's something wrong with the kids that are in line leaving the island, you get that right off the back. It says yeah, pretty, pretty patent. Pretty, pretty obvious. Later on in the movie, we learned that their souls are being ripped out. And when the gang souls are all collectively ripped out, and they're trying to find their proper bodies, you notice that they don't always find their home bodies, they don't always find themselves they they get stuck in another body. And without the diamond riders, they can't be reversed. They can't return to their original body. So Shawn, I just want I want you to tell me something. What happens to the hundreds of kids who leave this island without their souls at the end of the film? Tough hundreds, maybe maybe even 1000s 1000s of souls on the stick with hundreds. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Maybe it's only hundreds of kids without souls. What happens to them when those giant elongated Easter bunnies jump out of their skin and their souls are forced to try and find a way their way back over? Who knows how many miles of open water and land, they figure it out? I say tough shit. What's the director? What's the director's name again? Are the writers. I don't think James Gunn figured it out. I don't think he I don't think he had a way to figure it out. And so he just expected us to forget about it, which I forgot about I forgot about it. Like the fact that they forgot about the fact that there's a whole new species a whole new race that they just kind of whatever we forget, it doesn't matter. What race What do you tell monsters they discover a whole new set of creatures they go on you know, it's a thing I guess. Well, no, there's supposed to be ancient spirits that had lived on the island or something. But the news coverage is like I don't care. We're we're moving on and never really acknowledges it after but that's a whole other thing we can talk about later. doesn't really explain how scrappy doula and start is that power either or how he convinces Magoo tonda Tawana. I think that's his name that 50 year old man with the face tattoos to go along with his plan because As a meal he has the goo has to know that a meal is actually a scrappy do because he's helping a meal out or scrappy do with this whole thing. Oh knows scrappy is no okay does because he's still clever because it's not like the goo it's not like the goo is surprised what he sees scrappy jumping out of a meals suit the meal robot and then just swelling up. It's not like he fights on his side. He knows let's say counter argument, let's say he doesn't know right? So you don't know that you're the entire time your boss was low scrappy, do write low scrappy do as soon as you're learning that as scrappy do he becomes basically like giant T rex monster? You think you're gonna go boss I got an axe to grind with you. You lied to me. You think you've run out of that cave as soon as possible and you jump on the next boat UK at off that island? I think that's what you do if you're to go if you don't know that a meal was always scrappy do but I think it's impossible. I think it's impossible that this guy didn't know it was scrappy. Do maybe I don't know I don't it doesn't matter to me. So how did scrappy learn about the demons the diamond rightous what's the what's that whole like shrine pre existing spooky island? Yeah, because no it wasn't it wasn't because a meal had already established the island before scrappy Doo came in abducted him and then took his place so no spooky either wasn't a new island it hadn't been so I'd say it would have taken like at least half a year to get what you're saying they created the the monsters the spirits themselves? Is that what you're trying to say? No. What I'm saying is someone had to have built the diamond riotous altar or shrine or whatever you want to call it that thing that giant pyramid that comes up and tries to catch you after the fact after spooky island has been constructed what how? Why couldn't it have been it was there beforehand and as they were creating his spooky Island they built around it by kind of why would they do that? Why would they do that? You wanted to give me one decent explanation for why it's an ARCA artifact they would bring sigh they would bring archaeologists on what point scrapping was brought into the timeline because theoretically you could have oh that was another side of the park that they didn't do anything with yet if hypothetically mana various was already having that park be operational at that point, right so that park is already operational mighty various is already doing his thing. And scribe becomes in finds that and does that and expands the park? I don't think No, no, no, because it's in the haunted house. It's in the haunted house attraction. They find that the diamond right around the hotel and the haunted house around it. Why Why? Why is that impossible? I don't think it's impossible. It doesn't. I really don't think so. You're just rides. What the timeline? It doesn't make sense. You see, okay. Yeah. Wait, do we ever hear Neil's beard? Do we ever know? Do we ever know how long a meal has been abducted and and being the same as he was three years? They say? He's got a beard? Yeah. Three years, three years. But what Okay, even if no, no, they wouldn't have not because they were other rides around that weren't closed down. It was like in the, you know, that that ride ever even worked? Again? The altar? The ancient the altar, we're supposed to believe is an ancient altar was in there. Yeah. But you could say that they built the whole ride around the altar. But why would the real meal actually do that? Maybe that ride was belt because again, there were we're dealing with a two to three year long gap. Right? That right could have been built on that time and then just never operational? How's that implausible? I just don't think it's plausible. I really don't because they don't know they don't go they don't stray that far away from the main grounds to get there. In fact, I think they're still for the most part in the main grounds. Right. Now granted, they have to go through the woods a little ways a side of it. Sure. It's a main ground, he but it's definitely to the side of it. You know, it's definitely okay. Sean, you want to tell me something else? If it's off the side, if it's through the woods, you want to tell me something? Why put actual rides in the building and not just build a facade, you know, why not just build the frame of the ride around it and then not fill it with anything else? Really? Why have all those obstacles built in? If you're just trying to hide that one thing? You want to be convincing? That's your argument? No, did sure they don't need the whole freakin ride. They could have definitely been more simplistic about it. But I don't think it's impossible to I don't think it's implausible to say they built the ride around and it was never operation to begin with. I think your best argument is that they built the building. They built a ride around it. Maybe scrappy, had the ride built around it, but that still doesn't explain why he put actual machinery in it instead of just a bunch of Doors a bunch of locked doors I don't think the ride necessarily needed to work like it did but that's kind of us kind of going back to like say the opening because there was a creation station in there why not just make the whole thing a way bigger brainwashing station because I think there are only like eight desks there you could only brainwash eight people at a time in that one control booth. Well, you're not buddy, I will crush your bones there are 1000s of people coming to this island every month. There's so much more potential for brainwashing Yeah, and you just do it at a time you can have a way better turnover. I don't know man. Oh, maybe anyways, you know, maybe that's what he did. Maybe the whole thing is operational. Because you get the kids into the ride they start going through the ride and then you trick them in you maybe he knocks him out or something because we don't clearly know what happened then starts brainwashing and maybe that's how that works. I don't know maybe college kids you just have to promise them free beer and they'll do pretty much anything you tell them to. They will go anywhere you can tell them that if I told you my egg Okay, jump off the cliff when you were when you were in college. If I said jump off that cliff I will give you a free cake. Would you have done it? Yes. No, you won't have you fucking liar. You I will not but I also wanted I also never would have gotten to a place called spooky Island. Okay, these are the kinds of kids that also go to a place called spooky Island shot you have to apply their logic as I'm saying that is fine with it didn't bother me. Anyways, so they make it they all get there. No one explains how Fred or Velma get there. They just kind of find it. Why not? Sure. There was I this is how much I liked the movie. I watched some deleted scenes. And I remember there was a lead scene about it or something that they cut for time. But yeah, okay, so they find the diamond riders they get out of there. Let's go back let's go back a little bit because I just want to I want to make a little note. I liked how they were all competing against each other to solve crime how they're all kind of three of them were competing against each other two of them were just there Yeah, I loved how pissy they were let's talk because you skipped over the best joke of the movie which even you admit is the best Joker movie Mel knew on Scooby Doo gets a phone call from when the monsters when there's a call for Mr. Do got a call. Mr. Do Mr. Do the guy with an eyepatch is like Mr. New and then another man jumps up Melvin do not know Scooby Doo anyone or school me No. Rocks me and then Scooby Doo gets it. I got some some hamburgers here for you in the forest and the deep dark forest. Okay, and Scooby Doo goes out. I love that bit. It was so funny. It's just it was funny how on the nose the monster was about the hamburgers. It was funny how stupid How do you know this is a monster? Maybe I'm wrong? Maybe it wasn't the mother makes the phone call? You don't know. We don't know we'd ever find out. I assumed that is the one mystery in this movie. I let's just say it was though. Let's say the monster made the phone call. Wait which monster though? Which monsters? Are you referring to one that was attacking Scooby. Okay, sure. Anyways, makes a really bad phone call was very work very egregious about going in a dark out how obviously. Go in there. Yeah. I thought it was funny. I love how Scooby Doo hears hamburgers just goes for it automatically is great. Oh weird that the fact that they are promised free food no matter what. So he would go in a dark force to get hamburgers when he could have just turned to the side and said, hey, there's a hamburger over there. I'm just gonna have this one instead. that's besides the point. I think you're just doing my job for me at this point. I didn't I wasn't upset by it though. I don't think that's a big deal to upset but as long as you shut your brain off, you have a good time. Oh, it's not that it's not about shutting your brain off. It's I thought it was a funny joke. I enjoyed it. Well, my brain was active the whole time and I did not enjoy myself. Yeah. So anyways, Diamond riders, they go back to the bar Velma meets a piece of ass. That's really the only way you could refer to him because we never learned his name. yet. She makes out with this man at the very end of the film. I thought they came close to making out but they don't actually make out. I could have swore and they actually kissed at the end. I hold on. Let me look at my notes. I thought I'm pretty sure they don't. Yes, I think he tries to kisser and they just giggle I don't think they actually kiss still. Who the fuck is this guy? He's nobody. He doesn't matter. He doesn't even have a name. Why does she care about seeing him again? He's the guy that it's like he just hits solder. He just hits solder. He doesn't say anything. Or any make any real connection with her. He just says like, Hey, how you doing? Oh, that sucks. What do you think about that gets stolen and then they meet up at They meet up and then they meet up again at the end. And we're supposed to why do we care about this? You know, I was actually confused about this time around. Yeah. It really felt like at some point in an earlier draft, Fred and Velma were supposed to be a thing like they were setting up for that because you could there were moments of actual romantic conflict or potential between them in that haunted house guide that just didn't pay off or was never returned to. I bet you that was changed. I kind of wish that definite undertones. I'm right, though, right? No, that should have felt like it was there. I wish that to happen. But a test audience didn't like it. So we're like, no, Fred needs to make out with Daphne at the end. Probably something like that. Yeah, I would have preferred that happen. But I'm not upset that it didn't. It just felt really out of place. And I imagine that's because it was sure. Okay, let me use the restroom real quick. We need to like move on to the next part of the movie, which is, yeah. Okay, all right. cop killer. What else do you want to say next? Okay, back to work. No big whoop, dog. No big wolf dog dog pawns. There was a video. Yeah. And then there's the foreign contest. Why? like as if this, you know, I just I want to I can't even imagine what this looked like on the page. Shay farts Scooby farts. farts louder shaggy reels back and rips a really loud one. All right, in scabies laughs I really, I mean, rehearsal. If you want a summarization of this movie, or like just my my response to it. Just show that clip. That's all you need to know. That's the whole movie to me. All 125 minutes credits in, like 86 minutes? No, it's 125 minutes with credits. No, it's like full runtime is 125 I'm pretty sure the full one time is like 86 Oh, then that's even worse. That's even worse shot. Oh, no. is 125 for you because of the commercials right? Oh, yeah, maybe I guess yeah, maybe I like the call storyline. I wish one out a little bit longer. I like called as villains and movies as just a thing I like so them being here. I felt added to the whole storyline. I love the fact that this is a movie where Scooby Doo is known to be Oh, we're catching the monsters but they're not really monsters. It's just a guy in a mask. Where Oh, crap. They're actually monsters in this one. But that was funny. I thought that was clever. at the midpoint when the monsters attack everybody and snatch everybody up. I just want to point out the song in the US. Man with a hex low or a man with the hex. I love that song. Shawn Giannis. Ronnie dropped off the call so I gotta call him back. I gotta call him back. Oh my God. He dropped off. He's dropped out call you dropped off. Oh my god. Where'd you go? Where? Where'd you go? Where'd you go? Where'd you go? Where'd he go? Where'd he go? Where'd he go? Okay, yeah, sorry, it cut off. What What were you saying? At that midpoint when the monsters attack everybody. And this is kind of like a wider No, but a specific note right now. Are we love the soundtrack in this film. I particularly love this song. Man. What the heck's plays during this? It's very like swing jazzy kind of song. I really enjoyed it felt very appropriate in the situation that we're in the situation and completely underused. Because it was it was but I liked it. It was the fact that that song was there. I thought as well you know what? Yeah, I liked was I'll place you Yeah, I guess you know, I will say that very often. About about well, you know, it was it was less underused than radar love and baby driver. Now that was a shame. That was okay. Now I want to digress about that. Because that was I was I was waiting the whole movie up to that point made me to finally play radar love. And then for it's a cutout after he steals a car from an old woman. Yeah. Edgar Wright. Go fuck yourself for that. I got so hyped for that song to be in that movie. And you wasted it. It was a good movie, but you know what you wasted radar love. I am sorry about that. I don't think it was a good movie. But I will agree with the fact that you don't just take what's most commonly renowned is one of the greatest driving Songs of All Time. Use the first minute of it for a carjacking and then dump it on the side of the road. It's for a transition scene. Nonetheless. It's not it's it's it's not a major transition. You'd even you're wasted it it threw it on The ground get pissed on it you just stomp the down like a like a dirty cigarette that's what you dance you stomp that out How dare you fuck baby driver moving I mean I love Egyptian reggae but fuck baby driver moving on so under use Song velleman Fred get there absconded with and then Shaggy and Scooby run into them the next day and Fred drops the word bitch in a PG film well he says Be he says Be arch but in the captions it's and I think we all know that it's been and is Mitch Freddie Prinze? Jr. Do it was Shawn God knew it was. I didn't know it was just a kid. But I know what now my kids are never watching this movie. You know what, Jani? If you do have kids, and I do come over and you say uncle Shawn has got to watch the kid. I'm putting on Scooby Doo. Oh, you're never meeting my children? Yeah, that's what's gonna happen. I swear to God, you know what's going to happen? You're going to invite me over for something like Christmas or something. I'm going to get them present. And you know, I'm going to send them I want to send them both. Because I'm doing I have multiple kids, I send them each copies of Scooby Doo movie. I'm going to get a restraining order not just for this for numerous other things, but I'm gonna get a restraining order to prevent that I really believe transpired a lot. You know, it'd be just such vindication for me. If I show your kids early enough, this movie, they get hooked on it, they love it. And then they watch it non stop like frozen or something and just constantly re watch it in front of your face and you're gonna have to relive this film again and again and again, like Groundhog Day. But it's Scooby Doo. You know if they even see five frames of this film. That's it. I'm done with them. That's it. We ruin these ones. Take them to the orphanage. Let's try again honey. Don't get too attached to them. And I'm going to start off here that ladies we conceive I'm going to say be prepared to let this one go in case it watches Scooby Doo. Be prepared. Don't get too attached. To give us it's gonna be a struggle. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear I don't want to see them recreating the fart eggsy Okay, I don't want that. No Jani. Your mom eats cat poop. I want to say that the whole time I have I haven't written down Jani your mom eats cat poop. And I want and so moving on. Yeah, let's see what else is there to talk about. I mean is a cult scrappy do is stay scrappy as a finale, there's a fight, yada, yada and anything else you want to say about story you want to move on to characters and stuff? Why doesn't when shaggy is that the basin of souls. There's just that font that's full of souls. And he's pulling them out one by one to see if they're his friends and he finds his friends and he throws them out. There's even a guy who like is given momentary hope that he has been freed and then shag is like no back into the soul pit for you as a great bit. I quite enjoyed that shaggy knows that these are people's souls at that moment, and he knows that releasing them will allow the souls to return and assume their bodies. Correct. He figured it out. He figured that out. Why didn't he tip the whole thing over then in there? I was wondering the same thing myself. I think it's implied that it was too heavy, but no implied. How is it implied because somebody rolls on somebody know somebody just falls on that day vague later and it tips over pretty easily. You see it you see it later on? That's exactly how it happens that the eluted door falls through the ceiling. Maybe it's just that you needed enough downward momentum to tip the guy over but I really don't think so. I think shaggy could have done it. Tommy asked you this. Let me ask you a question. Does it look like shaggy works out? Does it look like shaggy does push ups? No, it doesn't. But again, I don't think it's a strong I don't think it's Matthew Lillard. It's a tall guy. He could weigh just as much as the Lutra door I think that it's unfortunate that the movie didn't have a whole scene where shaggy tries to do it and they fails. I think that's what should be in there and what's kind of you know, I understand your point it was definitely something I was thinking about too. But you know, whatever I got over that also I'm really glad during the soul absorption process that a meal is explained step by step how it was going to work for everybody there who already either knew the plan or was a demon monster, whatever you want to call it doesn't matter because doesn't really apply to them. They don't need to know how it works. First of all, it's scrappy. Oh, who was he actually? Oh, no. Okay, sorry. It's scrappy in the meal suit. Why does he need to do it? Why what what necessitated that it a dialogue because that monologues sorry, because he doesn't even he just acts he he describes what's happening as It later happens Yeah, no he didn't need to explain it but you know bad guys will be bad guys and sometimes they just need to that's not an excuse. That's all that's not an excuse. It's not an excuse. No, that's not that's not to write a lazy see, that was lazy wasn't strong. Sure. Yeah, that's basically it you know that it's scrappy Velma has that line about scrappy being corrupted by the power of the diamond riotous and the whole time I was thinking no Velma it wasn't that scrappy was corrupted is it's that he was abandoned in the middle of a desert to die by what was supposed to be his group of friends. Shaggy. So I actually walk away from this movie, feeling bad for scrappy he's the victim. Okay, scrappy. Here's the thing and this is like the most retrogressive aspect of like post modern Spring Break cinema satire, I guess it's that if you exhibit any sort of negative quality as a human being anything that might be considered annoying or inconvenient. Anything that might need to be discussed or delved into you are immediately labeled as irredeemably evil and therefore, any bad thing that happens to you is okay, I'm sorry. I've called you irredeemably evil so many times because of all your fonts, your prevaricating, you're not you're not addressing what I'm saying. It's no, it's just like, oh, scrap, he's annoying, so he must be evil, and it's okay. We don't try to bring him back to the other side. We don't try to redeem him as a character. We don't try to visit the fact that his friends and family and family not just friends, but family blood relation left him in the middle of a desert to die with no food or water and just his clothing. Tiny little suit. Mamadou came back and spank them on the butt at the end. It's a bad scrappy, bad, scrappy. Yeah, no, I mean, the best movies as you know, the best villains are ones that still has some kind of growth that you can kind of come to an understanding of, and yeah, as you as you mentioned before, but I put this so yeah, movie just doesn't care. The movie just doesn't care. I will admit that the movie doesn't care. It's a bit of a shortcoming of the movie. It's a giant shortcoming. It makes all the big characters look like jackasses. I don't think Scooby was a jackass. I love that. So he was just tragically tragically infant tile and stupid. And and this you know, I feel bad for the guy again, because it just killed his acting career. But he he took the check. he cashed the check. And he bought he bought that that Scooby Snack factory. Yeah, I want to ask you a question right now the markets not doing right now. I want to ask you the markets not doing well right now. Shall I ask you a question? If I come to you tomorrow and I said, Jani. If you play a live action, Scooby Doo I will give you $100,000 right now no questions asked. would you do it? I think we both know the answer to that Shawn. I know you would know you know I wouldn't you would do not lie. You know there is no way I would do that without my own personal trailer. Okay, so let's move on because we've been talking about this for over an hour now. We've been talking about it for about the amount of time the movie actually last longer than the actual runtime we've been talking about just the prop my problems with the story talking about the story longer than the story last and we haven't even talked about directing. We haven't talked about characters. Let's go on. Let's talk about director Yeah, not much to say honestly. Not much to say I can't tell you who it was I can look it up right now and I don't feel like I mean either. So whoever you are out there better luck next time. Sorry buddy. I will give some credit where credit is due I like a lot of the design whether it be the costumes or creatures etc etc. That it all worked very well within the context of a movie it was all pretty memorable. Yeah, it takes a lot to make a location with a name as generic as spooky Island standout I'll give you that the production design was was not dreadful, but you want to know what was dreadful? Yeah, we don't even need to talk about cinematography and directing. Right now. Let's talk about the CGI that early 2000s era CGI and specifically everything that occurs at night. Yeah, and other night stuff. Shot I think I saw better night lighting effects on PS two games. Wow, that's those are some fighting. That's a dig. That's an insult. That is that's about as sharp as it gets. That's pretty sharp. The sharp blade right there. That's that's a katana that's that sharp like that shaggy fart. Cutting that sharp cheese with that sharp guitar. And you just you took what I had and you're ruined? Yes, you certainly did. You're welcome, Ronnie. Yeah, just you know, I'll commend them for taking literal shot in the dark and see if it would look good. But no, the lighting was really off. You can always tell that the characters of the CGI characters Yeah, we're very out of place in their environments, except for Scooby Scooby was sometimes okay. At night. He was actually very impressive in all the daylighting Yeah, he was I would actually say he was relatively impressive, especially for a movie made like what 2002 Yeah, with that kind of technology, but nothing else was good. Yeah, nice stuff with that guy. I actually want to go off of that real quick, though. I thought Matthew Lillard did a really good job just reacting off of Scooby particularly at a time when you know that you're reacting to that dog, and that's not there. And that's your whole character. Well, you know, at the same time, Andy Serkis was playing Gollum, so but we're not taught what capability was there. It's not like actors are unex aren't expected to be able to act or nothing. That's like comparing any circus to the actor who played Scooby Doo. I'm not talking. I'm talking about the actor that was reacting. Sure. Yeah, there was still some context there. There is still stuff happening. But I felt like Matthew Lillard did a good job at making me believe their friendship and their bromance show in a way that were you? Are you are you comparing Matthew Lillard to Sir Ian McKellen right now? Yeah, I am. Matthew Miller tried to tell me that you're a superior actor to Sir Elon Musk. What's his name again? Sir Ian McKellen? You can't even get it right. I feel that after talking about this movie for say they're on the same playing field, you know, you know, Matthew Lillard Twin Peaks the return era Yes, I would say 100% agree with you. I think Matthew Lillard can do you know Shakespeare I'm actually I'm not kidding about the Twin Peaks the return part that guy really he grew into himself he he like a fine wine like a fine Charles Mondavi wine he grew with he grew up he's actually really good at Twin Peaks the return listeners go check that out. Now watch the Twin Peaks the return he's really good that I couldn't even finish that return series I gave up on it. Yeah, that doesn't surprise me because you were you liked network? Twin Peaks. Yeah, I like network Twin Peaks. When I was about you know, you had a real David Lynch fan. No, I'm not. I don't like David Lynch all that much. He's just not my taste. I don't like that kind of work most of the time. But that's just me. I'm the guy you know, to launder it is Shawn. What it's when you pick up somebody from behind the knees, then fall backwards, hoping to bash their head into the ground as you fall. That's what I want to do to your opinion right now. But I did want to say I unlike you, I'm not saying David Lynch is bad. I'm not saying he's a piece of crap. I'm just saying you just say you can't remember this director's name. I'm just saying I don't particularly like David Lynch's films. That's just my opinion. I didn't say they were bad. I just didn't like them. There's different you don't have to but you do have to agree that Matthew Lillard is acting in Twin Peaks the return was can you say that because you know, you're doing that and that was? It was Giannis doing a little like a case sign right now on it with his fingers. Even though it that he was going to go scuba diving Shawn, he was going to go school, but I think is that what he said? And that's what he says at Twin Peaks. That's clever. Scuba diving. You know, I will say going back though, about David lunch. I really liked that monkey short. He did. That was really funny. I love that. I've seen it four times. We're really digressing. Anyways, characters, characters, characters. I really love Scooby and Shaggy. I thought they made a great pair. They were very fun together. I really bought their bromance I really felt for them, I will say trying to split them up and have be confrontational before the finale was a bit forced. But when they came together when Shay was trying to save Scooby, explaining about the sacrifice, rescuing him all that stuff, I really felt that I really felt that in my heart, I was like, I like you guys. I want you guys to get through this. When I know what's gonna happen. I care about them. As far as Fred is concerned, I know you don't feel like he has much of an arc. I think he doesn't. He has an arc I will agree that the end place is not as strong as it should be ending doesn't even acknowledge the beginning. It's like the arc he is he's on isn't really an arc. It's like a three dimensional arc that starts on one plane. It like starts on the x axis and it's supposed to end on the x axis but instead it goes down the z axis. It is simplistic. But it's still there. No, it's not simplistic. It's just incomplete on both ends. They're just moving towards a point that doesn't intersect. I don't agree. I don't I don't know how I don't know what you see the only characters Well no, I don't think Velma really has an arc either because she's just overlooked. And then she's not overlook the family character with an actual arc, I think is definitely not really though. I don't I think Daphne of all the characters I actually have the biggest problem with Velma I don't feel like has a ton of an arc. I like her character in the movie. I thought Linda karnali did a great job as Velma I really bought her I really liked her character a lot. I agree that she didn't have a ton of monarch. I wasn't particularly bothered by that. As far as Daphne is concerned. That's why I have the biggest issue with Okay, first of all, let me just state that in the beginning of the movie. She's a damsel in distress. She's useless. When we jump ahead in time, three years, she's learned some sort of martial arts, I don't know Taekwondo, karate, whatever it is tibo with Billy blanks, early 2000s could have been that she's learned martial arts. She has this sort of inflated sense of her capabilities, but she's still a little insecure about it. And then by the end of the movie, she's defeated the Lutra door who just magically appears whenever the movie needs and to to complicate things, and in essence, she's what saves the 1000s of hundreds to 1000s of souls swimming around and that soul basin and she's she's attained some sort of strength and inner strength. That's an actual arc that is a real art arc. And I agree with that. It's the only complete one on the whole. The problem I have with that one though, is very much a you want to have your cake and eat it too kind of thing where you want to say Oh, Daphne, she's no longer that damsel in distress that gets captured all the time and is useless at the same time. That's what she is the entire movie until the very end. Yeah, that's kind of how it works. She finally breaks through the mold the only but they finally have a fighting ability by the end because she knew how to fight No, she totally she she had she knew how to fight. She was unsuccessful with it. He was unsuccessful with every instance up until that ending, but the problem and she was even struggling in the fight with the loot. I don't remember the luchadores name but she was struggling during the fight the final fight with the loot store the whole time she had an enemy she was she was given a foil that provided benchmarks in her characters progression. So by the time she finally overthrew him, like literally overthrew him and stomped him out. She was a new person. She was a new character. I don't mean to sound to make it sound like there was this beautiful metaphor Morphosis it wasn't it was clunky, but it was the best that we got. Yeah, I like that part of it. But again, it's something where for me, it felt like the scene that I felt was very telling for me was when it's in the midpoint when she's trying to protect Martha variation. She's like, Don't worry, I'll protect you. And then the monster grabs him from behind and what does she do? She starts whacking at the monsters arms with her purse. You're gonna tell me that you have martial arts moves that I know you've learned. Why are you not using them right now? Again, that's just lazy writing. That's just not getting that Danny knows Taekwondo. Okay, having your cake and eating it too. You want to say, Oh no, Daphne is a strong empowered kick ass woman in this movie. When again, she's really only that at the end everything before she's not kinda has an arc, but she's not particularly learning or growing as much as she's often just stumbling around. Like her normal self. Yeah. What does that say about your movie when that's the only clear tangible character arc? And that's what you have to say about it. What does that say about your movie? I think that I much prefer the other characters. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, no, that's that's that's fine. I I definitely would prefer making love to the Anne Hathaway cardboard cutout that I have in my attic as opposed to an actual woman. You can have babies with that cardboard cutout by your logic apparently it's possible so why not? Let's give it a shot. Let's have those babies and I'll show him Scooby Doo. And then you'll just you know toss him on the curb This is your fault at the end of the day it's still your fault you're the one showing them Scooby Doo you know I've set down this you know I've set down this edict the very start you just want these kids to be orphan don't you? Sounds mighty want to make it your printing your you want to make it look like I'm the villain. Yes, crappy movies tried to make it look like scrappy is the villain. scrappy is not the villain? The villain? The villain is negligence. Shawn. So let me get this right child negligence. I show your kids a fun little movie. I'm the bad guy. You're the one who throws them into to an orphanage, and you're the victim, am I right? Shawn? You can't make a movie about other Spring Break movies, brainwashing its viewers and then do the same thing. You can't have your cake and eat it too. Well, you can't walk out into Antarctica with your Scooby Doo blanket on and think it's gonna save you from minus 40 degree temperatures. life's gonna happen. I will eat all the cake and I will eat all the hamburger. That's That's all I'm saying. Just as long as someone tells you to go out into the woods first. Alright, any last thoughts on characters anything else you want to say? Yeah, final thoughts. Rowan Atkinson was totally wasted in this role. He could have done so much more. Yeah, he was under used but for what he was the best the best part of the movie probably the best talent they got for the movie and that's all they did with him. If he had actually voiced scrapy to that would have been cool. That would have been nice. I would have liked that if scrappy Doo was actually worked into if he was interwoven into this film a little more smoothly. It could have been good I think it could have been better at there was more scrappy but I'm having butter and good I know you're now I still thought I was good. Yeah, I know. I know. I know I'm saying Anyways, let's move on to last a final scenes you particularly loved particularly hated I'm assuming as the whole movie hated though. Am I getting that right I'm getting that vibe. You know Sean I gave it two instances of LOD that was the Melvin do joke and not even the first time we meet Melvin do It's the second time we see him when we meet brainwash Melvin do in the cave. And Scooby Says I Love You mean Melvin do it's not even the first time it's not funny the first time it's just funny that they acknowledge this random character is still around on the island. I love both. And then a meals introduction. And that's it. The rest of the movie just flotsam and jetsam floating in the open ocean. For final thoughts and final rating Jani pretty sure I did a pretty sure I did an adequate job summarizing how I felt there. So I'm gonna go ahead and give this a three. Maybe a 3.5. Don't think I go as high as a four but definitely somewhere in the three range. Ouch. Ouch. Yeah. Great. Well, there you have it. I told you to be a fraction. Jani gave it a three 3.5 he just loves those decimals. Yoni just can't get enough of that point five something or other? Oh, if you want I can just drop it down to a solid three. You do you bro. You pick whatever your rating is? gonna be a solid three then. Okay, so three, and I gave it I added a little bit to that three gave it an eight, as you will call any last words on Scooby Doo? Or do you want to finish this bad boy up? I don't really know how I feel about Fred looking at Daphne's bosom. You know that one scene where he says Oh, sweet. I can look at myself naked. That's about that's about 75% of the way through the film. Yeah, I mean, I imagine they hooked up at some point, right? Going off of that. How old are these people? Are they teenagers at the start of the film? Are they like in their late 20s? I think they're all in their late 20s because they're clearly older than the college kids. They're clearly older than the college kids but they're on the cover of teen magazines because a teenager comes up and asks Fred to sign it is calm down now how are we don't know how all that magazine is? First of all, maybe it's been looked fairly recent because Fred had the same haircut and it was wearing the exact same clothing. I'm going to assume they are in their late 20s I don't know I really don't know if i mean how old this scrappy supposed to be. It's all just it's it's mind boggling how how this got through so many test audiences. It definitely went through a slew of them. You can tell it's the fingerprints of about 200 people are on the final cut of this film movie. Yeah, no, I agree. It's a it's a it's a film for sure. hates you so much. You're welcome. Bye. It's that's your fault. But by the way, it's only because you keep calling it that, that I'm calling it. That word that it isn't that doesn't apply to the Scooby Doo movie. It's in the title. If it's the Scooby Doo movie, it's the Scooby Doo movie, not the Scooby Doo feel dooby dooby they acknowledge they know to themselves the Scooby Dooby it's a Scooby Doo movie felt the filmmakers themselves acknowledge the inadequacy of this piece but you've said previously that just because something is a movie doesn't make it inadequate. It's just not for you and it's on a different level different playing field like Yeah, but yeah, well you got me there. Maybe that's what I was just saying as I added these episodes, so I know what you say. You know what I say you know what I say when the camera's not rolling too. So even though I just want to point out there's there's no camera rolling where this is pure audio. We are recording. There's no camera. This This is his logic so I just want to point out whenever you think you're siding with Jani just realize he's just want to go I'm not understanding this last part. I don't think this last part is good. I think you should cut this I think should go like straight from my rating to whatever our outro is going to be. I think I'm fucking adding it. So I will pick and choose what I put in the goddamn edit. I don't think any of this is funny. Anyways, let's just do the outro I think it's hilarious in case you guys think I'm an uncultured swine. What Scooby Doo. I want you guys to know right after I watched Scooby Doo. I watched Mississippi Burning. That was the day I had Welcome to Coronavirus times. Yeah, Alan Parker. good movie. Yeah, it's a good one. You almost picked Surprise, surprise. You're like Yeah, I did almost pick it. So now I couldn't have picked it because you liked it. Alright, folks, well, thank you for listening to fuck your opinion. If you haven't watched the Scooby Doo movie film. I suggest you watch it soon. And just watch a cinematic masterpiece in front of your eyes. Jani. What are we watching next week after glorious Scooby Doo? Well, Shawn, I was thinking about other early 2000s live action adaptations of children's cartoons from the 70s and how much I hated those and how much I wanted to go in the opposite direction of that. So I thought let's go with David Lynch. But then I started thinking well hold on Jani. Shawn likes Twin Peaks. If Shawn likes Twin Peaks, there's a chance he might like other David Lynch. Now my first inclination is always to go to Blue Velvet because it's my personal favorite David Lynch film, not his best film, I think I think that's all of it, man. But the one I thought Shawn would absolutely hate is the one we're going with. And it's Lost Highway from 1997 starring Patricia Arquette, Balthazar Getty and Bill Pullman and also Robert lohja. I think it'll be a good I think it'll be a fun experience for you, Shawn. I think you'll definitely you'll definitely get something out of it. I don't know what But well, I know. I mean, I Hmm. I don't know if I'm gonna get anything out of it, though. I mean, I think I get a new lease on life. I think I'm going to get a strong passion and desire to watch anything else. And I big fan of Scooby Doo too. But you know, maybe after watching Lost Highway, I will say you know, I'll give that another chance. Anything else will show on it's it's really just about anything that keeps you keeps you going, you know, as my boy Matthew McConaughey would say it's all about Li vo right? All right. Fuck. All right, you know, that's to say that fuck yourself and you could go fuck yourself to Sean