Ep 9: F**k The Full Monty!

Hello this is Sean and welcome to fuck your opinion a movie review podcast before we get started please make sure to like follow subscribe write a review of this podcast wherever you are listening right now and please be sure to follow us on Facebook Twitter or Instagram all those are linked in the description enjoy the episode me yeah call me Call me baby so a lot easier to channel the hate when I can see who I hate it's stronger runs deep slyke I can almost tolerate you want to see you there's some sort of inhibitor there but like as soon as I catch a glimpse of your face that hatred just catalyzes it's a it's a catalyst just the mere image of you is a catalyst for my rage well I'm glad that my face channels some feeling within you Whatever it is, you know that's my intention in life to channel something feelings within people whether it be happiness and joy or whether it be you know, your hatred I commend you for that I think it is better to be polarizing than bland and servicing self service and satisfy I don't know what's the phrase for that the format is all we're saying is you don't want to be the full Mighty No no no I want to be like the opposite of the full monty because the Full Monty is good and I don't want to be good I want to be like you so I guess I want to be like I don't know bad boys to Luckily for you bad boys too is next week on fuck your opinion. It better not be that's gonna be a fun discussion. It's gonna be interesting. At least it's at least everything is pieced together. In Zen caster, the mighty of Zen caster Sen caster more like Zen master because it keeps us so called Zen caster if you sponsor us give us some adspace we'll say whatever you want us to say about you Zen caster made from the gods Zen casts they're the best at whatever does recording audio for podcasts Zen caster take my money Zen caster record faster. I see what you did there. That's funny, real clever. You know, I think I vomited. That one that was better than all three of yours combined. You know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna defend mine. They weren't great. You shouldn't so Jani I wanted to ask you because you're using listeners, I'm sure you've noticed throughout the past eight episodes that Jani had a far worse mic than me. If you didn't notice, it's because I did such a good job editing the audio and post, but let me tell you the amount of time I had to spend on his audio versus mine. It's like 90% trying to clean up his 10% just making my dad already sounds good. Just a little bit better. I mean, my what I'm talking about, so I had to buy him a new mic. That's no, so yeah. Tell me about that. Yeah, yeah, you're not the one editing this audio, my friend. Trust me. Trust me the amount of time you've listened. I haven't a clue in the slightest what he's talking about. I do have a new mic. One just showed up in the mail for me one day, I don't know who it came from. Maybe it came from Shawn. Maybe it was just misdelivered there was a no return address on it. So I just kept it. I ordered we are you you refuse to give me your address at first because you're like, I've given you this so many times, even though you asked me every time about my address. So that's neither here nor there. But then, hey, Shawn, you want to see how you spell out every single letter every letter to your address? It'd be a pain in the ass with no idea what you're talking about. Well, no, I just wanted to see if we both pulled out our phones opened up the address books. Who would have the other person's address saved in there under the contact name? I don't have your I don't have anyone saved. Oh, that's weird. Well, I have yours saved. So maybe I'll send you something but anything I get here I can neither confirm or deny that it's from you. And that's just how the facts stand. Let me tell you this Jani. I was going to send you a gift. I was going to send you a thank you gift for thank you for the 10 episodes we've done I'm not going to tell you what it was because well, I'm about to be 10 I was gonna send you like you would have gotten at 10 it was gonna be a thank you gift. I'm not going to tell you what it is because I'll probably get it for you in the future. I mean, like you were going to appreciate it you're gonna thank me but then after editing that audio for 10 minutes I said no. I can't waste my money on a stupid gift for you. I'm getting your mic because that's what you need. Well, I you know, if you got me a mic, I really hope this is the one but again, I have no way of confirming it. The Amazon delivery man literally took a picture of it on your stoop so I have the I have a picture of the front of your house that I texted you, I took a picture of that picture and texted you. So don't deny that unless that is that not your house that I sent you that picture that somehow I end up getting shot. We don't think any I don't think I ever confirmed that that was my stoop in the picture. I think I just said a couple expletives. And about that. That was about it. Yeah, listeners responded with a few expletives. And that was it. listeners, this is how he responded shit. I said what? He said, I forgot the exact change. But he just came kept saying like shit and stuff like that. And I'm just like, Wait, what? So it This is a picture of the front of your house? And you're saying this? Are you trying to imply that it got delivered to the wrong place? And that made me freak out. I mean, did I spend all this money for it to get missed delivered? I don't know. And then he's just messing with me the whole time. Here's the explanation. I stubbed my toe and it kept hurting every time you text back. So I just texted The first thing that was coming to mind every time it hurt. stubbing your toe listeners. This this man here is brazen enough to tell me that stubbing your toe does not hurt does not hurt enough to curse to to lose track of your fine speech. Yeah, sure. You're gonna curse when you call your toe, but you didn't curse you texted you. You don't stub your toe. I then stay silent and text an expletive. Like you have to unlock your phone. You got to select the person this type of text and send the whole text and type it out. You're going to you're going to do that right after like, at like a similar rate. Or lol or LMA. Oh, sometimes that you say makes you laugh. You do that you you send a phone video to somebody when you It makes you laugh. When you actually laugh. You do not say Allah mayo. That's a dead page. Fan. No. Any of those in a text are lies. You never actually laugh. lol Shawn I was rolling on the floor. laughing You were not. You were not you fucking liar. Well, I wasn't maybe I was maybe I wasn't. But listeners definitely aren't. Because none of this is funny. It's funny as shit and is all staying in here. Okay. That's the thing. Were you trying to just doing a theme? Yes. That sounds nothing like our theme you know, it's the drum thank ah the horn. It's the horn the trumpet? I'm not gonna listen to it right How many times? Anyways, let's fucking get into this. Hello listeners and welcome to fuck your opinion. A movie review podcast where my co hosts Jani and I do get out our movies. Every time every time you can never just let me get through something you always got to just interject. always got to be that low. Oh, pain in the ass. It's just etiquette. It's it's proper etiquette. proper etiquette is I introduced you. You say something? I didn't finish introducing you. I said I'm doing it with you. I didn't actually introduce you. All right. So yeah, I mean, at this point, listeners, if you've listened to all the other episodes, you know, we're just gonna fucking argue with each other. So Jani? What movie did we watch this week? Well, Sean, at the end of last week, which was man, I've already forgotten what was the last episode Tango cash, Tango and cash. That's right. I I had to drink a lot to get that one out of my memory. So here we are. But I do remember the movie that I selected at the end of that episode. And if I'm right, it was full monty correct. No, it was not the full monty there was the one we're supposed to watch this week. We're supposed to watch jangle on chain. That's what you pick. Yeah, that's it. It's a little suspicious that you go for one NGO title to another, almost almost a lack of creativity. That's that's what you were what we watched the full monty 1997 the Full Monty. I suppose we'll just roll right into my explanation as to why we watch it. listeners. It's probably my all time favorite go to feel good movie. I'm not gonna say it's perfect. I don't think it's the perfect film watching it again, for the I mean that again, I don't know this. It's a lot better than Sean's going to give it credit for but watching it for maybe like the dozen or 13th time I definitely noticed some holes in the third act, which we'll get into later. But on the whole I think it's a solid movie film. Sorry. On the whole I think it's a solid film and it's pretty inspiring, as As a as an amateur filmmaker and as somebody who loves film loves the art, the history The not necessarily the industry side of it, but the stories. I think everybody loves the stories and one part of what makes this movie so inspirational outside of the plot itself is the actual story of production. The fact that it was made for something around 3 million pounds back in the mid 90s. And then subsequently blew up, if I'm remembering the numbers correctly was something around $257 million worldwide box office, which on that small of a of an investment is unpredictable. The director made it Peter cattaneo, he did not need to work for the rest of his life. After that. I'm sure he had plenty of points on the back end. It kind of shows because he didn't really direct a lot after this. Probably the best known for the probably best known project you might know listeners is the rocker, everything else I think would have flown totally under your radar. The writer though Simon Beaufoy, I think I'm saying his name correctly, he had a much bigger career after the fact that he actually I think, if not one more Academy Award nomination for that maybe two but he wrote Miss Pettigrew lives for a day Slumdog Millionaire, 127 hours, Everest, it's all pretty inspirational that to use that word. Again. You know, that's interesting that you say that, because the problems I have with this and we're not going to get into right now, but a lot of the problems I have with this movie are very similar to my problems with Slumdog Millionaire so it's funny. It's funny that like, I didn't even know that the writer was the same so I just Simon I guess I just don't like you. I liked Everest. Okay, how do you you have course you loved Everest, you know that that totally tracks for you. But who doesn't like Slumdog Millionaire, I'm not in love with a I don't love Danny Boyle as a filmmaker, but the story characters. If you want to give me an app, what we're not going to digress into that right now is that we'll be like, oh, love it enough to make you watch it. Don't worry, listeners just know I hate that film. And you know, Danny Boyle. I love a lot of your movies. I love Steve Jobs. I love Tran. You love Steve Jobs. I that's a fantastic film. And there's a couple others that I really like. But Slumdog Millionaire. Oh, man, I really hate that movie. I bet you're the kind of guy who likes yesterday, that would totally make sense to me. Oh my gosh, okay. It was very okay. I didn't hate it. I didn't love it. I had some issues with it. But I it's like, I watched it on a plane. I feel like that's what that movie is like that plane movie. That's not great, but just good enough to get you through the flight. You know, I don't disagree. I think that's probably it's acceptable. But there's a lot of not worth the ticket price. Maybe you know, a ticket included with your airline ticket. It's a movie that really throws away its concept to just be a traditional movie. And it's like, but this could have been a lot more interesting. But then when you start thinking about it, it's just just riddled with holes. There are so many holes in that plot in the concept that they shouldn't they either should have tried to explain a lot less or explore a lot more because what you got right now is well, it's not a bowl. It's a sieve. But anyways, back to this movie. We're not talking about yesterday. It's not yesterday. It's today. And today it's not yesterday on the full monty it might be for tomorrow, but it's not today, because today is the Full Monty. I'm going with mine. Okay, I'm going with my thing. I know. Mine was so much better. You joking. He just didn't Okay, so of mine, but you didn't need the whole bit you could have I was more efficient. I was more to it. No, I didn't use yours as a spring. I think you're just hearing yours first because you're the one running Zen caster right now. I think that's the only reason. But let's move on. Okay, anyways, okay. Okay, so, so listeners, I told you why Shut the fuck up. I haven't gotten. I said why? Okay, I say Wait, we're gonna say, okay, listener. So that's why I like it. A couple other reasons. I'm sure you're going to get even more of it. As we go on so much. But what we do right now at the start of every episode is the introducer the selector, the chooser they go ahead and they give the film or movie whatever rating they think is, is famous for it, or not necessarily various, but it's it's arbitrary. It's always arbitrary. Me personally, taking everything into account writing, directing, and just personal attachment. Probably one of the first like indie It was probably one of the first independent films I watched as a kid, I think when I was like, 12 or 11, I'd say I probably give this movies something between us 7.5 and 7.9. If I'm allowed to use decimals, so my average scores 7.7. So I know that I love this movie. And I also know that you dislike this movie, because this is one of the few movies that not only have we both seen before reviewing, we watched it together at one point, why don't you provide the backstory on that? Yeah, so a couple of years ago, I had this really great wonderful life event where I got kidney stones and because I had those kidney stones, the doctors put me on a lot of painkillers and medicine. I was dealing with a lot of pain, a lot of frustration. So my good friend Jani thought you know what Shawn needs feel good moments some good vibes going on right now. So let me put on my favorite feel good movie the full monty me being high as a kite said sure, why not, but we watched it and I had a terrible time. It made me envious of it made me want more kidney stones. So I can feel something better than watching the Full Monty. So it kind of like the reverse of my car issues and talking to you today. It's kind of like I wanted something worse, to make that that bad experience. Yeah, seem a little bit lighter. So before I get into traditionally after the chooser explains why they liked the film, the other person, the quote, unquote, disinterested party that Jani likes always say, gives a plot summary. Before I give the plot summary, there's something I want to say. So right now, I've been switching up drinks started with alcohol. So I had to stop doing that been drinking coffee. And now what I'm drinking tonight, in appreciation of my British friends, I'm drinking some tea, which is, I think, quite apropos for this film, even though it's peach tea, it's a green green tea, green tea. No. I want to I want to go it's closer. It was close enough. Yeah, that's probably about as British as Hold on. I gotta think of a good joke for that. I'm just gonna keep that open. Yeah, that's probably about as British as baseball, a little bit of Lipton green. It's probably it's Lipton, right? I'm assuming it's often green tea sakoda, I think would have been a better one. But now it's not leptin. It's that a yogi? I think it is. So going off of that they have inspirational phrases on the tip. So I just want to read what is on this one, it says, give happiness, and you will end up happy when I when I read that. I'm like, wow, that's just perfect for our podcast, because that's what we do. We give happiness and we end up happy, you know, you know, in Mother Teresa's life, she entered what was called 50 years of darkness, I might be paraphrasing that. And in that 50 year period, she never really felt happy, even though she was giving to literally everyone and everything else but herself. So I call your call on me being happy on Yogi on you on the concept of oil. You're right, I'm not happy because I had to watch this Phil three times that first time that I had to endure, I wash it a second time that was torture. And then because I hated it so much. I washed it a third time to just really do a deep dive and analyze it. The second time I watched it was the first time returning to it where I pretty much forgotten why I hated the film and everything about it. I was reminded of all my reasons, but it was just it's like a blind rage. Or I was just so frustrated that I didn't necessarily know where I was kind of pointing my frustration with no like which direction so I had to wash it a third time and I will give it credit in the third time. I was not like seething mad. I was very indifferent in neutral the whole time. It was like a blank analysis feeling or I'm like I'm watching progress happening. It's progress. And trust me it's not getting any better than that. That's that's peak my feeling for my peak feeling for it is I'm watching this things are happening. That's it. I'll take it. I'll take it. I had to like just shut off my emotions. That's really what I had to do. I had to shut off and just understand what the text was doing. That was it. So summary. What's the summary? I got two summaries in order to prove he's a good father, one man finds the courage to take off his clothes in front of his son when I stick isn't enough. His older friends join in on the action. Actually, I have three summary. Second one variation of that one in order to teach his son about the birds and the bees. One man becomes a male stripper and choses dick. I didn't write that well. Whoo. Wow, one out of not not just one out of 10 I'm gonna go ahead and give that a one out of 50. I don't know we record that later and make it sound better. I don't think you can. I think it's impossible to make that sound any better than it actually is right now. There is another one though. Let me listeners so you know, to give you context for how much I dislike this movie. Each viewing. I wrote five pages front and back of notes. So really, it's like 10 pages each. I typed all that up. That's about 10 pages of type bullet points. It's a fucking lot. If I combined all my notes for every other movie in this podcast that we've done, it still would not equal the amount of notes I've written for this. Well, viewers that's actually really interesting for me because viewers, I keep calling them viewers. Yeah, well, listeners that's actually really interesting for me because this time I did not write a single thing while watching the movie. I'm going entirely off of memory here. So I think this is going to be interesting. Cool, just in case he cut them listeners, Sean gave me three summaries and whatever one you hear probably isn't the best one that he gave me. You know, I can cut that too, right? No, you don't have all the power in the world. You got what you say you editing anything, buddy. I have all of you getting cut. I can cut everything. I can twist your words. I can bend them to my Well, I can make it sound like you love me that you hate this film. I can do that. I can take everything you said about Tango with cash and just play like Tom Wilkinson. Shawn, I don't think Gene Hackman, I don't think Gene Hackman, his character from the conversation is that skilled with audio editing to produce what you're saying? I actually have never seen the conversation First of all, I don't need to be done. Yeah, just know. I just know the opening shot. Oh my god, buddy. It's 2020 there's deep fake we can fake people's faces Do you really think I can't do that I sent you are so to prove it. What I'm going to do is right after this audio footnote time when add an audio footnote of using something really nice about me. Yeah, once you always come back and do those and you're gonna eat those words. Let's just move on. Yeah, let's get into this, shall we? first note, King Robert watch out for that bore. That's me every time. I think he's referring to I don't know what you're referring to what event are you talking about? Are you talking about him dropping the ag Are you referring to mark at a dropping the steel girder of them being literally just to mark Addy and how he dies in Game of Thrones. That's literally Mark Addy has a much more illustrious career than you're giving him credit for. He was in the sitcom still standing with Jamie Gertz and that ran for six or seven years. So give Mark Addy a break. never even heard of it. He was an American in that show. Not the hardest accent in the world. I know. I don't know what you're talking about. Like I don't I've never heard of that. So I don't know why I should be giving someone credit for that when I'm talking about Game of Thrones. Which listeners? Let's be honest, season eight was terrible. But he was in the first season and that's one of the most popular shows to have been on television in the past 10 years. So why would I not mention? Just Why? Okay, whatever fight you could call him What are you going to call him king breathy and what is it? I said King Robert. I'm gonna call him Dave. King Robert because that's character's name column. No, no, no, no, I make fun of I use names. Go ahead. Five. He can be king. Whatever the fuck I want. No, you're gonna call him King Robert. You son of a gun. Son of a gun. Oh my god. Okay, other No. So listeners. I wrote this note both times. There's a scene later on in the film with Tom Wilkinson when his stuff is being possessed or repossessed? Yeah, well, disaster and he has a conversation with his wife. They're talking about gnomes. I mean, they're talking about other things, but specifically what I want to bring up. They're talking about the gnomes that they've been collecting. She his wife smashes the gnome on the ground. Tom Wilkinson says I thought you liked them. And she says no, Gerald, I never liked them. That's my thought on this movie. You're still not getting into the actual for the last five minutes you have tackled a single actual event in the movie? No. Oh, no. Yeah, let's get into it. Here's the thing I want to say with this film with some of Giannis other picks such as David Lynch or cold war or things like that. They're just so far away from what I'm wanting to watch in the film. And sometimes I kind of tune it out and like okay, it's just not my cup of tea. This doesn't necessarily make it a bad film or not. It's just not what I like in a film and not what I'm looking for the thing with this film and why it irritates me so much. It's not necessarily that it's a terrible film. I don't think it is terrible. I do think there are a lot of pros to it. But the reason why it frustrates me so much is because is so similar to the stuff that I actually do enjoy watching that for it to come really close and personally just not stick the landing so many times in situations that I feel like it really needs to that just becomes really frustrating and annoying to me. That's my general feeling and why I kind of am so annoyed by it. And I can you know, honestly I can sympathize with that because I have that problem with a few rector's yogas Latham most the safty. Brothers, I have that same issue. Honestly, before we get started of watching a movie, being able to see how they can stick it or how they can upset my expectations, and then watching them fail at it, it's almost more frustrating than had it actually been a bad movie. Just seeing the Miss potential. Yeah, like what this film, this is broad strokes right now that we'll get into what frustrates me the most is that it's a film that wants to be very honest and very sympathetic, but it's so constrained by the structure of itself. It's so concise, it's like a slave to the structure of the film, and just structuring general that the characters are not honest when they need to be honest. It's not like a Bollywood movie, where it's clearly melodrama. It's clearly a bit silly. That's the intention. The intention here is that it is real and honest, even though it is a bit quirky. It's still trying to hit home ideas and feelings. I think it hits the idea as well. It's pointing to the struggles and masculinity, especially within that environment. I think that it hits well, but the problem is, it doesn't bring true to the characters a lot of time, a lot of time, it forces the themes forward at the expense of the characters, which I found frustrating every time. But yeah, let's get into it. Let's get into it. So it begins with our two principal characters, gaz and Dave and gaz, his son, Nathan. And they've broken into a closed steel mill to steel girders, ostensibly to go sell somewhere illegally or to recycle. Keep in mind, the reason that they're doing this is that there was a huge industry collapses a steel industry collapse that occurred in northern England in the late 80s. That late 80s, early 90s. That left a lot of a lot of people specifically men out of work. So the characters that we're seeing the adults anyways, Dave and gaz, they're both unemployed and have been for who knows how long so yeah, right now we find them they broken into a steel mill. They're stealing with Jazz's like 10 or 11 year old son with them, very responsible with them. I think there are pros and cons to the beginning. So the third time I watched it, what I was picking up on all the little things was setting up for example, this part of the scene really annoyed me the first time install, I don't think works from a comedic and character point of view, but works from a thematic point of view when they're stuck on the car. So Dave, and gas get stuck on a car and gas his son is just like, screw this. I'm leaving. So he walks away. And then a stranger walks by he asked them are you guys all right? He's walking the dog. They walk out the door. And gas says a mind you they're on top of a car in like a river or whatever. So they're going to get wet and everything that they don't ask for help. So he says not so bad. And then the guy keeps on walking, then Dave says not so bad. That's not so much of a chuffing SOS is it? I think this exchange is interesting because pointing to the themes of the film, it really hits that note of men not wanting to ask for help when they need we see that throughout the film. So I think that's a good, small clever way to bring that up in the beginning. At the same time I am this this points to my more so visceral reaction. The second time I watched it, I don't think it really works. From a character point of view. I think it works from a thematic point of view. I don't think character wise a I don't know, gaz would necessarily say not so bad. Knowing his character and who he is and everything. I think you'd be more willing to just be like, Hey, can you just pass along something not like that full fledged bag for something like just Hey, can you lend a hand or something? Especially if he's gonna ask all his buddies to strip you think asking everyone to strip is easier than to ask somebody to just throw a pipe or something? I mean, come on. Second of all, Dave's line. And this will talk about Dave more later, but my general feeling about him I honestly don't like Mark was Mark Eddie or Mark Addy. I don't like Mark addys performance. It's something that I really had to I'm still not 100% sure. I might be wrong about that. But there's something about the Dave character that really hits me the wrong way. The second time I was watching it I was just like, I hate I did not hate just I just don't care for this guy in the fact that this film is trying to force me to care about him really frustrated me on the third time I watched it. I was watching with subtitles, so I was following along a little bit better with a dial And I realized the second time I thought it was poorly written dialogue, but I realized that the dialogue is not too bad at all kind of works. Again, I don't think it's very character centric. I think it's much more thematic centric, but like this specific exchange, it's fine. It's not terrible. So what I think is yet part of it is just mark Eddie's performance as specifically with the comedy. I don't think this certainly worked. But yeah, well, as far as dialogue goes, they're speaking the dialect of the region. No, yeah, I, it was written with the dialect. They've learned the dialect, they learned the accent all the colloquialisms. I don't have any issue with that. I actually really love it. When films and stories challenged me in that kind of way. I can't think of many examples off the top my head, but the first one that always comes to mind is that section in Cloud Atlas with Tom Hanks in the future, where it's really just speaking gibberish. Yeah, I really loved that section. And I really loved how we were really being challenged and forced to think about what was going on. And we were barely giving context to what they were speaking about. So I really like that the thing here and it kind of comes out throughout the rest of the movie. Without the subtitles, there was just a lot that I missed. Yeah, no, I'll agree that that happened to me a lot as a kid watching it, because I would never turn on the subtitles. In fact, and they this is actually something that people had to do a lot with, specifically American audiences. When the movie premiered in the States, there were cheat sheets handed out to the audience members in some theaters so they could understand the slang. Of course, they didn't have to do this for British audiences. It was only an issue that Americans had. We're we're talking about the same thing. But we're not entirely talking about the same thing because my problem is not necessarily the slang itself. As much as a lot of the things I missed were really small, small, small moments and lines that are just so easy to gloss over the first time around because maybe it's being overshadowed or overpowered by other things happening in the moment. The two in particular that I really did not catch the first time around when and I don't remember character name. So there's just going to be their nicknames. Big Davis and redhead big dick and redhead. You want to know what the guy that you're calling big big name is actually What guy? He's still very famous guy. All my notes are big deck. So big deck is gonna be big. Okay, so anyway, you have to remember horse is there's no no, I remember Horace Horace has a good name. It'd be really hard to forget that guy. I don't remember Tom Wilkinson's name, though. He says Tom Wilkinson is Gerald is Tom Harold. Anyways, big dick and redhead after the police round up and they run back to redheads house, there's a little line where big dick says, I always want to meet your mom. Now that's a whole lot to unpack for later that I'll get into. But that's a lie. And I'm like, wait, what did he really fuckin say that, that I totally missed that first time. And then later on during the funeral scene, when guys and Dave are talking about how they're they were holding hands on a couple and everything. That's again, something that is just so small, a moment there that I missed entirely. I mean, I knew that they have they're kind of like romantic looking at each other in the affer mentioned routine, pretty hard to miss that pretty hard to misinterpret it to. No, I didn't. I'm not saying I misinterpreted I interpreted correctly. What I'm saying is they have the setup there. But I just missed the payoff because it was infused in a scene with gaz and Dave in a way that just was them shooting the ship, it was just really small and how they talked about it, and I just missed it. So that could be a slight on my end. But I felt like there was a lot of little things there that I really didn't pick up on till I watch it again contextually and had those subtitles on. That makes sense. And that's why that's why I like it. That's why I choose so many of the movies. That's why I'm going to continue to choose a lot of the movies I choose for this podcast, rewatch ability, you can go back and you can always find something you missed. Oh, I didn't. Now it's not like I had to go back and look for it. Because I wasn't watching it three times just in order to do this. So there were things I would forget things I would remember. You're welcome. Yeah, it's not my fault. Maybe if somebody had been like, I don't know, firing an AR 15. During the funeral, you'd be able to pay better attention because they were there. No, it's because those beats are not the Find the beats in this film are very fluid and they work well. It's actually let me take that back. And there's a general note of the film like it doesn't it's not 100% sure if it wants to be a more worky kind of comedy or more fluid and honest drama, and because it's constantly going back and forth between the two, it's often beats that would often be bigger. So it's like that more comedic stuff. A lot of the structure I feel like falls in line a lot with say, like a Disney film or a Marvel film just structurally Well, I think things just have pay off. You say rise and fall. I say there's a setup. And then there's your payoff. Yeah, there's a character who introduces himself as Horace, he winds up having Ed, it was a character who's Yeah, no spotlighted for his ginormous manhood winds up being a gay guy. Here's what I'm saying. And those Disney films and those Marvel films, like when I say Disney, I mostly mean Disney Animation, like Pixar and stuff, the beats of the story are worried very well defined, as opposed to say, like a mumblecore film where everything is more fluid and more honest and more real, in a sense. And I feel like this film is often going back and forth between those two. So sometimes those little moments don't get picked up upon as easily, or at least I didn't feel them. Cuz it's like one or the other. I was often just frustrated with, you can't tell me that you're trying to be really I know, I keep using this word, but honest about who these people are and what they're dealing with, when they're constrained to the structure and story that you're forcing them to be. There are moments that the characters are very real, that they are very strong and powerful. But there are just as many moments where I just like, okay, and based off of the character you set up I in no world think they would do what you're proposing they do. I think you're just doing that for the structure right now, you know, obviously, most movies are written with a structure very seldom are they written very seldom are they paced out to not have that sort of beginning middle end, it's kind of impossible, it might be a little bit impossible to have a story like that, that just doesn't have an end. I'm not saying it doesn't need to have an ending. It doesn't need to get to my point. Yeah, what I'm saying is, I don't think it's as rigidly structured. As you're making it sound. There are definitely things that are established that don't pay off in the way that you can predict. For instance, if this were a Disney or a Disney animated movie, for instance, Gerald would not be handed divorce papers by his wife by lying for her for six months. He gets a job in the end. That's a little uncanny. Especially after divorce papers. Yeah, you didn't you didn't see that. Okay, so when Gerald repossessions it's a really No, no, no, right after the scene that follows that almost right after I think, where he goes to stay with gas, he pulls out an envelope and he says, I've just been offered that job and gas says something that implies that he knows how it feels. I he Gerald's wife, just see if this is what we're talking talking about. There's so many like, small little there are a lot of little minor. That's great. No, no, no. small moments should be subtle nuance, they should be little moments that add depth of the character not like big beats that like actually you should not enormous beat. It's not an enormous beat. Because it's not central to the plot. It's just adding to the character here because mainly because if the movie was going to go around and follow each one of these guys lives, it would be twice as long as it was like, an hour and a half. But even things like later on the movie, when you find out that guys went to prison. It's just like, I didn't realize that until the third time. I'm like, wait, what the fuck? When that happens when you weren't paying attention? I guess it's Yeah, I will. It's not I wasn't paying attention. Again. These are really lesson maybe it's given us maybe not like a cut away from guys. As soon as it happens. Man, we got really, really far away from the first scene. We haven't even gotten to them stripping yet. This is something I want to get into. I'd say one of my top three most frustrating points of this film is just the fact that they become strippers. It doesn't it's something where it's like it's a quirky idea. Oh, man, that sounds good. That sounds clever. But in practice, it just I cannot wrap my head around these motherfuckers doing that particularly gaz who is so hardcore into it, he just hears it and says, You know what, I'm going to become a stripper. Now I know contextually it's because they run out of options and they need to make money. That's essentially it. I don't understand how they would even come to a conclusion because there's a lot of things I can do in life that oh, I can do that to make Money, I can do this blah, blah, blah. But and while I'm not as hard press as these guys are, it's still something where seeing who these they are as characters, I just find it so far fetched for them to even come up with the idea, let alone have so much a follow through to it. But even going off of that if you really were going to do that I really wanted and I know you're going to you're going to argue against us, but I really needed something more I needed another scene maybe a montage or something of gas. I feel like we needed him either getting rejected from another Work Opportunity, trying something else and then the stripping coming back because we plant the idea but then he just it just it delves in his head a little too easily for me to buy. I mean, this thing, this this social issue that was going on in this part of England at the time, it was equivalent to a depression. Now granted, maybe that's something that Americans wouldn't get, but I'm sure your average British viewer would understand that and they wouldn't even question why and how he got so desperate. You wouldn't watch I'll just the first movie that comes to mind first depression era movie, you wouldn't question why it's so hard for I actually can't remember his name but the main character Russell Crowe's character in Cinderella man is struggling to find work. You're not questioning why he's working in the stockyards or at a fishery or something. It's because you know, it was the depression jobs weren't exactly aplenty. It was the same condition in Sheffield in the 90s. Let me ask you this Yani. And he was also a criminal. That's the other thing, you know, he went to jail. So you know, he has strikes against him. What so there are some things he's probably not willing to do? Yeah. Let me ask you this. What job does Russell Crowe's character in Cinderella mat ultimately, it was his job in the film. I think he's working in a stock yard, but I can't remember for certain and there are days where he doesn't get to work because he's not chosen to work because they only bring in maybe like a couple dozen men. Now I haven't watched that film since I was a kid. But he's a boxer in that movie. Right? He's an an erstwhile boxer. Yes. Okay. So that's, that's that, okay. Now, you're talking about depression, right? Last time I checked, john Dillinger became a bank robber, not a stripper, right. Gas isn't a bank robber. Maybe? I we don't know exactly what he did. But he got him in jail. airgo that could have been before he had Nate. It could have been 1/8 was a kid. All we know is that something that he doesn't want to do? Because he does like having anything having that in his life. And he does want to continue to see him. There are certain boundaries he's not willing to push. But here's the thing. I would buy them more likely starting like a fake professional wrestling league to entertain folks in a way that's similar to Chippendale so they're still like, I don't think you by them doing that. I think you just want that. I think that's what you want out of this movie. No, I actually don't want It's not that I want that or don't want that. I just don't buy that these guys would just go so quickly to stripping with the pace of the film and everything. There's not so much time, but it just gets kick started so easily. And listen to what you're saying before. I don't understand the context of what Sheffield was going through in a moment. Sure, but I can still understand characters and I don't think those characters would do that. Now. That's just me shooting the shit. That's just me hypothesizing characters that I did not write that I barely know. But it just it always felt like a stretch from the beginning particularly on gases part. We know he needs the money. We know he wants to see Nate, but it doesn't make any sense to me. Moving on. That's the thing. I think moving on. Yeah. As the movie does move on. You learn a little bit more about gases history. He is a little more he's I'm not gonna call him a cat. But I wouldn't be surprised if he his reputation is a little bit suspect with women. You know that he's kind of a fast talker with his wife when he goes and tries to borrow 100 pounds from her. You see the dialogue between him and the two women that walk up to them while they're putting up posters for I think it's called hot metal is what they call the show. So you know that you get that he's maybe a little bit skeezy but again, I don't think he's a criminal. I think they're things he's willing to do and things he's not willing to do. And stripping is definitely within the purview of his abilities any any further criminality though? No. And like when I was suggesting that wrestling stuff I was suggesting, like a glow or something not criminal, just something entertaining that everyone can enjoy and get along with. I know but you said you want to see him do something more desperate first. Wrestling is more stripper. No, no. Are you trying to try fessional wrestler from listeners, Sean No. COVID if you're out there, I apologize. Listen, I like I don't watch wrestling but when I do I really like it. What I'm saying is those men those characters, I feel like their mind would go there before stripping where I said I wanted more desperate stuff that was within the context of what the movie presented of them becoming strippers. Not if that fake storyline but that fake storyline is whatever we don't need to talk about any longer. Why since we're talking about gas right now, I want to actually skip ahead if that's okay, just because we're kind of on it. Well, let's try and stay a little chronological here if we can. Okay, fine. We'll get to get gas we're gonna you later but trust me you're not out of the woods. Also, just quick shout out gas that actor what's his name again? Sorry, I always Robert Carlyle, Robert Robert Carlyle. It wasn't only eight months later, I mean, weeks later, I first watched Robert Carlyle, and the hit show Stargate Universe. So that's where I remember him from he was the professor type that stargates I really liked his performance it's a versatile actor. I think to me, he will always be that guy in Stargate Universe. So thank you. So next scene redhead is trying to kill himself Jani I want to talk about it. So the next scene you've got Dave and guys are on a row and gaz is already at this brace is already full on we're going we're going to be strippers guys. And they were going to do this trip. Today, dude, you just went in the club, guys is like I'm fucking in this I'm doing it. I'm gonna take us off and 1000s of pounds. There are 1000s of pounds to be made doing this, which is a lot to people who haven't worked in months, but moving on. So they're on a run gas is trying to do it. 1000s of hypothetical pounds in this podcast. That doesn't mean we're getting 1000s of pounds. Well, Zen caster in Rome, and if you want to be my guest, that's what that's the other thing I really love about this movie. It's optimistic. It's very optimistic, just like you're being optimistic about how you're going to make money off of this someday. So I'm surprised that that's also why I'm not I'm surprised you don't like it but they're going on a run. They're running down a street they pass a car. The guy inside is having issues getting the engine started. Dave stops by checks out the engine gives him some advice and he realizes that it's the security guard whose name is lumpar I can't actually remember his name because they keep calling him lumpar. But he says it's the security guard. It's red Dave asked him if he redhead sorry. Well, I'm gonna call them lumber. You can call them redhead listeners, it's up for you to make that distinguishment yourself. Ask him if he's seen any jobs tells him that if he's gotten anything if he's heard anything to throw his way, and then Dave runs off. As you see smoke pouring in through the window. It's exhaust smoke. lumper has a hose hooked up to his exhaust running up alongside and into the window. He's trying to kill himself. And as Dave's running away, I tried to do the same while watching this film. But my roommate also saved me. And I was really disappointed. He said get out of my car. I need to go somewhere. And I said just give me five more minutes. And then he threw me out. It's quarantine and I need to go spread my disease. I let every poll I could inside quarantine. Come for me now. I'm ready. right that's what I did. A third time jazz pivots, runs back to the car pulls lumber out saves his life. Any problems with that scene, Shawn? Anything you need to tear down? No, I thought that scene and the scene after we're good. There are good moments in it. Like the more compassionate moments where they're really connecting with fact now that I know the name. I'm going to use lumber red hair. I want to call Robert bumper bumper bumper. So bumper, bumper bumper. Can you stop Can you fucking stop? Anyways, the more compassionate moments between our duo and lumper I think worked pretty well. It's just the more humorous ones. I don't know if it's honestly I if I had to assume it's probably more of the performance I just did not think went well. But also I really hated the music in this film. So that might also the music What an Oscar is a warning me Yeah. For Academy Awards Whoa, I didn't know you didn't check on the TV like that the the AOL dial tone was that what it was against fun? It was so unique and distinguishable and so catchy. I'm like am I listened to stock music right now? I hated the music so bad. It was god awful. No, you're wrong. You're so wrong listeners. Oh, amen. I honestly think that if you change the soundtrack for this film, I'm not the soundtrack. The songs are good, but the actual score and the something that was You know, good, I might give it a point better than what I'm gonna give it. That's how drastic I thought it was. But anyways, after Dave saves lumper from killing himself, they're joking about all the ways that lumper can actually kill themselves that would be more effective. It's funny, theoretically, I think if I had read those lines, it's not funny. I didn't find it funny. It's funny, and it's funny in execution, because it's not super fun. not laugh. It's dark. Like, it's not I don't think you're supposed to laugh from that scene. I think you're supposed to think it's a tender moment that they're trying to make light of the fact that this man just attempted to kill himself in broad daylight in public. I think in the tenderness. It's decent. I think in the comedy, it's bad. And I think I don't think it's trying to be that funny. I don't think oh, listen, it doesn't need to be lol actually laughing on the floor. Funny, but it was more groan worthy to me than like, legitimately like, Oh, I'm feeling the comedy. I appreciate when gas was like when lumber, lumber or lumber? I don't have any friends. Yeah, when he says I don't have any friends and like kill me or hit me with a car and guys is like, well, we can be your friends. We can hit you with a car. He hasn't said last but but like that. I think it's that was just save your bloody life you get I think that's what he says. Like, that was where your friend that was a nice moment. has a little smile is I like to smile. I like that little moment of the scene. But them spitballing I don't think worked in the way it was intended. I think it works just as intended. Moving on sad moment. lumper goes home helps us mom up the stairs, which the implications of that are if he had actually killed himself, that woman probably would have died that day. I mean, she does less than a week later. But yeah, she got an extra four. But still, he was there. She he didn't die before she did because if he had, she probably would have died. The second it happened. We'll get into how we're getting to your theories. Later, I can see her getting the call and she just like immediately, like listeners, you're not gonna see it but I want to do a little action right now. She like literally freezes as a heart attack and just fall asleep face first on the floor. Like as soon as she hears that making my better movie. So anyways, so they're in the steel mill just kind of shooting the shit. And guys like guys, I think this can actually work. I think they put on I believe in miracles right? And gas starts shipping for everybody, including his son who is there, which is the theme throughout the whole film kind of certainly stripping in front of his son. Great father. I don't think Dad I never say that. He's a great father. I don't think the movie is trying to convince you. He's a great father. I think it's trying to get at you that he's a shitty bar. Which I think isn't is a little bit endearing. It doesn't try to they don't try to make him this perfect guy who's like been down on his luck. And oh, but you should still love him because he's got all these other great qualities. I don't think he's wise to ever like. I think that he does love his son. I think that he does care about his friends. He took all the sons of money. His son gave him his money. He took it he was co workers told him he would pay him back. No, he wasn't coerced. Okay, we'll get to that later. We had to drag him into the get to that later. So anyways, back to the scene. I actually really liked this scene. Because it's doing what you actually you said did you just say the words really liked this scene with an eye before the really and no didn't between the eye and the Really? Yes, shot I think you need to call an ambulance. I liked it because it does a really good job of hitting on the themes in a natural way where gaz is stripping and all the other men are a making fun of the idea but also gas kind of going there. But as soon as he gets his shirt off is like, Oh, I can't do this. I mean, first of all, I will say a problem with it is the record scratch sound that I don't think they're even using a rock. Yeah, that's something that's always said then they weren't all they were using a record of they were using Nevermind. Oh yeah. That was very cliche. That was I agree. What I liked was that it was showing that gas who was essentially like representative of the themes, I ideas of masculinity they're trying to portray as a man he's afraid to essentially be sexy, he's afraid to take his shirt off and be vulnerable, you know, like these are all things that the film is challenging. And I feel like particularly in that moment, it does a solid job of portraying that. Yeah, he he undercuts himself his own. I mean, it's it's not enough. saralee his own self confidence, all of the men in this movie, they've all been emasculated in some way. And that shows itself in their lack of self confidence in most of their lack of self confidence or if you've got Dave's body issues specifically, but it manifests itself in in just the smallest ways. For instance, in this scene, the reason that he stops taking his shirt off is I think less because he becomes self conscious in the middle of it, and more because he's smoking a cigarette in the midst of the Act. And that starts to burn his shirt. But still, it was a lapse in judgment. It was something that was subconscious, something that he wasn't even aware of that I think had he been better in the better mental state that he probably was years beforehand. Maybe he wouldn't have made it small. But I agree with you. I like this scene too. So after he does that his son, is it an eighth? Or Nate Snaith? Right, it's Nathan, but he calls him Nathan. So Nate says, Oh, he's essentially like, fuck this, I'm going home and starts walking away. So he leaves and they have to find him. So they'll hop in a car catch up to him and gas and they have a little exchange knave being like, I forgot exactly what he says. But he's embarrassed for his father. He's frustrated with all this stupid shit they're doing. And I will say there was one line that I noted that I really like gas tells his son, I like you, then he pauses. I love you bugger. And I like how that quote shows how men particularly these working class men, who are you know, like, again, like it's challenging masculinity throughout this entire film. One of the ideas is men can't express love towards another man, even father and son, so even when and this actually comes full circle later, but the best he can do is say I like you. And then he says, I love you. But then he throws an insult into it with bugger. You know? Like, it's a really small thing that I really appreciate it and I thought was really smart and clever. You think your old man's a dickhead, don't you? Yeah. Do you think he's a dickhead though? Yeah, but I do think Yeah, actually, I do think as a dickhead though and I that's why I like him. He's, he's charismatic. he's a he's a dickhead. But yeah, he's charismatic. I don't know. Come on, at the very least Robert Carlisle's performance is charismatic. I think you can't look at him and say he's not having fun. Okay. Yeah, he's charismatic, but not in a way I like I can be considered charismatic in a way. That doesn't mean you like yeah, you know, you don't like your type of charisma is like smartass charisma. Yeah, that's the kind of charisma you like, but he he's, he's charismatic, but not in a way that I want to be around. Moving on, so they start having auditions. Yes. Well, no, they don't have auditions. First they recruit Gerald by going to a local dance? Well, I think it's like a local school house or something. And looking in on a dance club at the time lumpar Dave gaz, an eighth as they're looking in. They noticed that Gerald, their old foreman, someone they had run into a job club a few days prior was there dancing with his wife. So they pull him in and they tried to convince him to teach them how to dance doesn't go so well. Gerald goes back to dancing but not before his wife can come in and ask Gerald who they are to which Gerald replies that their mates from work, thus investing gas in the game with the information that Gerald is lying to his wife about being employed. I thought that was fine, not then. I. Here's the thing. I think Tom Wilkinsons character, everything prior to essentially getting recruited fits, then everything after just does not work. So yeah, we have that scene. And then Tom Wilkinson has an actual interview for a new job. He tries to interview and the team that's already formed, somehow figures out the room that he's going to be in go finds a window behind it very convenient, and then takes one of his gnomes and plays around with it above them. So behind the interviewers, so they can't see it and basically fucks with him, so he doesn't get the job. What fucking assholes. I hated them so much for doing this. This guy is just trying to get a fucking job. They surely understand his frustration and pain. So that just do that. It's just like you're just such schmucks. I don't know I think you're right but I think to play devil's advocate against that he was there for me and I see somebody in a position of power over you finally on a on a level playing field realizing that they don't actually have that power over you. I think you're going to I can definitely I don't think anyone would necessarily do this, but I think it's understandable that they might milken a little bit granted Yeah. The setup of the seat. is a little bit contrived. How did they know what room he was going to be interviewed in? What would they be doing? If that? If that row of Windows wasn't there for them to perfectly? You know, puppeteer those gnomes across the bottom of there's a lot there. That's a little. It's a little little circumspect. Yeah. It says, These are already characters that I don't know, I just despite their situation, I didn't feel a whole lot of sympathy towards. So to do something like that. And it's not I'm not trying to say, Tom Wilkinson's character is such a great stand up guy from the get go. Now he's a bit perfectly he's a bit of a dick himself. But for example, lying to his wife. Yeah. But for them to do that to cost him a job like that is just they didn't also necessarily cost him that job. Yeah, no, he had been straight the whole time. He would have gotten it. He wasn't guaranteed that job. Sure. But they definitely played into it. And it's something wasn't. professionalism is important. Yani as much as I hate you. And trust me, I do hate you. If you had a legitimate job interview, I want to do that to you, I would still want you to try and get it because I know how desperate you can be, you know, is your real desperate person. But yeah, I would never I would want no comment. But yeah, I would, I wouldn't do that to you if you're in that kind of situation. So I can understand the impetus for why these characters would do that. But it's definitely not something that puts me on their side and putting the gnome back together later on does not forgive at all what they did. I think the deal with Gerald's character in addition to witnessing a loss of power, it's lonely at the top. When you're the boss, you have to make a lot of decisions that make you unpopular. And so naturally, when that playing field was leveled, I think it ostracized him even more. Yeah, at the end of the day, I think Gerald maybe was always open to the idea of having more friends, because it was something that he it was something that he wasn't able to have to enjoy earlier on. When he was their manager or their supervisor. I wouldn't be surprised if deep down his character or at least Tom Wilkinson, in that moment played towards those emotions played towards those inner desires to be wanted and to be accepted by his fellow men. And also they only realize their and their ways after Tom Wilkinson rips them a new one and yells at them for ruining his interview. Now you are you the little bit that it's also partly his fault, whatever. But they when they first meet in the scene right after the interview, guys walks and acts like they did nothing like it wasn't a big deal or anything. And then Tom Wilkinson unloads on them. So it's just like the fact that they demons think anything of it. I mean, it's just again, it was frustrating. But moving on. Let's go to try out because I really want to talk about this. Gerald joins the crew, and they decide to have tryouts for the fourth and fifth members of the team. No, fifth and sixth. That's right. lumper Dave gaz geral. Fifth and Sixth. And also Nathan is there. Yeah. Also, why didn't Nathan join the crew? That's that's an I'm curious about that would just be that would be wrong. That would be obscene. Shawn. Having having a 12 or 13 year old boy up there on stage stripping with all those older men, at least three times his age. That would be wrong. He needs to be in the audience where he belongs. Yeah, very appropriate. Again, as as an A great dad. But what else is he gonna do with Dave? Oh, he's just gonna stay behind in his apartment isn't a great debt. But you know what, let's not forgive everyone else. You know, there's five other grown men in that room. And they happen. Well, no, no, there is the first guy the first guy who comes in for the tryout what he says right before he leaves because his audition just goes awful. falls flat in his face. He says he has his kids waiting in the car during his audition to be a stripper. And I think gaz says something along the lines of Oh, do you want to bring him in? And he responds, no, this is no place for kids. Yeah, that's all it's aware of itself. I think the movie is aware of itself. It knows that name isn't supposed to be there. Now remind you that? Nate knows he's probably not supposed to be there because he's exposed to a man. Less than less than three minutes later. What I want to know is for the auditions, how do they find these guys? Did they put up flyers? Did they pitch to these guys individually? How did they convince them to come over and strip in an abandoned warehouse? Did they not think to maybe call the cops? You know, when you're doing an audition for a movie or something? You know, now you post it online, but before you'd have to put up a flyer or do all this stuff like it? I just don't under notice. They're like, how would convince them to come, you know, again, desperate times desperate times call for desperate. How did you even advertise? What I want to know, I want to specifically see the billboards, message boards. You want to see them putting up the posters, which they do later on now, I need to know. But But here's the thing, they're also jerky. Did they individually approach these men and say, Hey, you want to be a stripper come to the warehouse later? Well, I don't think like it's a little it's gonna be real industry. Make sure you wear something loose but form fitting. Looks at the first guy. I don't I? I'm a little curious if they know the first guy because they call him by name. Maybe they just learned it after he introduced himself. That also makes sense. I don't know. I really don't know. There's here's the other thing. The timeline for this movie is so compressed it I have no idea when they had the time to post the advert and how it had time to be answered. And then for like the guys to even find it and then show up. Yeah, I have no idea. That's my like, my biggest issue is that the timeline is like a it's like a period of maybe two weeks or like 10 days. I have no idea. I specifically tell you what it is. Yeah, no, it's I definitely have a note about it later. But I'm assuming it was the mid 90s printers were all the rage back then. They were new technology. They were like wireless earphones. They're basically the wireless earphones of the of the mid 90s. So people were going there just flocking to the to the local to the city center to the local message board. Just to see what somebody had recently pinned up stripper who wants to be a stripper 40 Plus, I wouldn't be surprised. Yeah, maybe that's what it said. Yeah, I mean, we do see those a lot in Craigslist these days. So this scene if we're moving on, I just want to note that this scene also has probably one of the funniest moments of the whole movie say what it is. I'm curious. Well, one actually one of the funniest and also one of the most surprising slash humorous one. Yeah, horse dancing to Wilson Pickett land. I like horror. I love that scene. Every time I see it says intro and lumpar asking, asking why they call them horse Agassiz responses. I don't remember what it is. But it's like, it's a horse. It's a horse joke. But the funniest part of the whole movie, I think is when you see guy. He's trying to run up the wall and flip like Donald O'Connor does in dancing in the rain. And you see they watch him turn around, run towards the wall cuts back to the reaction as you hear him walk up and then immediately fall flat in his back. You don't see it. Indie Film Editing probably didn't have the money for a or a stunt coordinator that day or something. Yeah, that's cheap. I get it. That's not the funniest part. The funniest part is where he stands up, and they're like, okay, so you can't dance. You can't sing. What can you do? And guys just like, well, there is this and he starts on buckling his pants and he pulls them down around his ankles, and the whole rooms jaws just drop. Like everybody including David is just bemused. They don't even know how to react to this. It's just it's such a it's such an effective viewer. It does so much by doing so little. It's all implied. I don't know I again, I did not find this film particularly funny. I get the joke I get was doing I thought I wouldn't go so far as to say clever. But if clever is like a seven that moment was like a four like it did what it needed to do was I thing I will say that going off what you're saying the him running through the wall I get it's an indie movie to low budget. I hated that moment so much. Because if you're going to bother to fucking put it in, and if you're going to bother to go for that joke, show it to me. If you cannot afford to do it, if you're not going to do it, and just fucking cut it. It doesn't need to be there or do something similar. I mean, come on. I would not be surprised if they did actually film it if he did actually fall on his back, but they thought it was funnier to just splice in their reaction. And I wouldn't be surprised but I also don't think that that's likely Listen, Director editor if that is actually what happened. That must have been the worst fall ever. Or you're just dopes Listen, you guys did some good stuff in this movie. You did some bad stuff. That is maybe one of the things that annoys me the most about this movie. You show him running into a wall. I mean, you do it later. He actually does run into the wall later so why can't you do it this time? You can just cut it so he runs into the wall he falls then cut to the reaction. You don't need the reaction to cover it up. That just looks cheap. And it's bad. It's like it Do we want to see a Jackie Chan to fight scene but we just see someone's reaction the whole time. No, we want to see the thing happened. Or sorry. A better comparison would be Buster Keaton like a Buster key and like falling to the ground. It's more or less the same concept. Yon is taking off a shirt right now. Like a stripper You want to be a high I believe in miracles. Yes. And you came along anyways. You sex a thang sex the thing you anyways, the reason why like a silent film comedian like Buster Keaton or Charlie Chaplin works so well is because they're actually doing those stunts and showing you even if we did a cut or something, I still feel like you need to show that fall even if it's a cheaper version, even if you do something that like okay, we get that it's not a fault, but to just cut away and cut back on it was just so irksome. I hated it so much. I honestly think their reactions were way funnier than it would have been if you'd seen him play. It's not It's not an either or kind of situation. You can have both. You don't need to have one or you can have both. You don't need to have both either. I think I don't think you do. I think it's i think i think it's obvious, it could have been a little more subtle. The cut could have come a little bit later on. He could have already had his feet on the wall and you could show him about to slip and then cut to the reactions. I think maybe that would have worked a little bit better. The cut didn't have to come as soon as it did. But I don't think you need to see him falling on his back. I don't think you need to even see him in the air. I mean, let's be honest. I think they could have at least had a dream sequence of forced Whitaker and a cricket out to cover it up. You know if they did that I would have been okay with it. call back. Right. Listeners if you didn't listen that episode, you cannot understand that joke, but if you did you do well yeah, even though I would have liked that. Like what the fuck you're doing here for this literally this one scene and a cricket. You know, like why that would have been great. Okay, okay, so moving on there. They can't dance they start practicing guys learns he needs to pay that 100 pounds to get the club for that night goes to his wife asks if he can borrow the money from her. She says no, but you can work a some menial job that god guys doesn't want to do. Because he doesn't want to again, you know, he doesn't want to be emasculated. He's been emasculated enough. It's all about pride. Yeah, he could have obviously taken the job and started working for it, but it paid like two pounds 50 an hour and he would not have been able to earn enough in time. So what happens is knave takes him to the bank. And he demands that his father provide his signatures so Nathan can withdraw 100 pounds to make the purchase for him. I hated that scene Why? I thought that was so endearing. Because basically, everything before that point Nathan either is annoyed by his father really hates his father or is really indifferent to his father. So for him to all of a sudden be like, Oh, yeah, Dad, I actually really love you. And listen is a young kid. He's a young boy. So naturally, you're going to be more loving towards your father. But he didn't show it beforehand. He read this is the first semblance of any kind of affection towards his father. And it's just it's such a 360 all of a sudden, and then that spread throughout the rest of the film. But I'm like, where was that moment where he changed his mind with his father guys didn't really do anything to earn that you could argue that scene I was talking about earlier where gas said I love you bugger. You could argue that but then there's still a good 20 minute chunk where it's still mostly the same name as before, that wasn't really into whatever his father was doing. It was kind of frustrated to be tagged along for him to suddenly give him essentially all the money he has, I just found absurd. The scene that immediately precedes This is the one where in gas tries to get tries to borrow money from Mandy, his ex wife, and she instead offers him a menial job with impossibly low pay. While Nathan is there more than anything, it's Nathan throwing his dad a lifeline. He's seen his dad be reduced to enough at that point. I don't think it's necessarily that he wants his approval. I don't think it's necessarily that he's trying to show love and gain any sort of love from his father. I think he's just trying to keep his father afloat. You know, I can he can see, he can see that he's suffering he's been he's been witness to almost every event where gas has been under minded or otherwise enfeebled by his wife, co workers, friends, he's been there he's seen it all. So I don't necessarily know that mentally. That's when I don't agree with you. But that's where Nathan probably was mentally in that in that scene. You know what, I can see what you're saying. I'm not changing my mind. I still feel the same way I feel about it. But I can see where you're coming from on that I can buy that being a possibility schooler wouldn't for yadi I didn't totally give it to you. I still said I agree with my original assessment of it but that I can see I can concede that another point is also valid. My my point that's that's not what my point is still superior and it's still my main what I feel about it, but I can see that this is a settled bar this is this is not fuck your opinion but also your opinion is valid. It's just fuck your opinion. I don't care what it is. Don't Don't validate what I'm saying. I can I can validate on that, but I still think we should have fucking seen big dick run into that wall. I will not concede that for a goddamn second. You hear me? It might be one second of this whole fucking film. But you know what? It was an important second that they ruined. Okay. So don't think because I'm giving you one thing means I'm now of a sudden, okay with anything you say. Don't let it get to your head. Okay. God, so they put up posters. Were at the scene where they put up posters, they're greeted by two local women, and it's all six, seven of them. And we're including Nathan, with the crew. The women asked gaz who's going to be dancing. gaz says that it's going to be that group and the women reply. Why would I want to see you dancing and gaz maybe even off the top of his head just because he's been caught in the moment backed into a corner says this group does the Full Monty. It goes back all the way. This has been the prison. Yeah, he was in prison. Oh, we both went there at the same time. That's why I do this with you. Oh, gross. Kill me now. Anyways, can I pee real quick? Yes, I'm gonna do it to kind of watch. One morning. Can I watch up, though? Okay, listeners. Well, he already walked away. So I'm gonna go pee. Maybe he'll take a picture for me. listeners. It's

10am still recording this thing? I don't know what the time mark is at this stage in the edited version you're listening to but right now I'm looking at a clock that says 10am and we've been recording for two hours and seven minutes. 15 seconds. God help me he's back. Hello, hello. So big dick. You have a good P. Take a picture, sir. Oh, good. Daddy, man, Snapchat. No. That's how my snapchat premium. You're gonna have to DM me For more information on that. Is there a snapchat premium? I don't know. I don't use Snapchat by is there. How many premium followers would you even have? Would anyone want to pay to see you like a snap from you? I mean, really, Shawn? It's Kuroda times. I have to do whatever I can to pay the rent and i'm i'm not i can't go back to jail. I got a son. You're This is that's how full monty would play out in 2020. It would just be like five or six guys selling at cam on a snapchat premium live. listeners. If you want Yana live cam, let us know and we'll we'll set that up. I know there's got to be at least one of you. Okay. So there's going to be back to back something I really hate and something I really like. In order to prepare and study for their stripping. They rent a copy of Flashdance they go to for more specifically, they steal a copy of Flashdance. So, guys, Dave and Nathan go to the I guess like they steal a copy of Flashdance from the grocery store that Dave's wife works at? Yes. Makes a whole lot of sense. What I really hated about them doing that a when Dave steals that little candy put in his mouth and then the alarm goes off. It's supposed to be a funny little joke. Well, it This movie is going back to what I was arguing earlier. Supposed to be more honest and more human. In a more realistic world. That's not this is not a Disney animated movie. This is still real life. That joke does not work. You know, I honestly I've always I don't hate the whole scene for it. But you're right. It doesn't fit in this movie. It doesn't make any sense. It's totally out of place. Yeah, contextually. It doesn't make any sense. It is really more at home and like a sitcom or a cartoon. Yeah, exactly. And then he stills the copy of Flashdance and just runs out like a buffoon. I I was just so tainted by that one bit of the scene that by that point I was just it's not that ending was not terrible. But just going off of that just ruined it but I will say a scene or two later, they actually watch Flashdance. And Dave points out that the lead character I don't remember her name is doing a terrible job at welding. And then I think gas points out, Dave, you don't even know anything about welding? Why would you know what is good or not good? Why even pointing that out? What I really love about that moment is that, again, it's going off of the themes and ideas like these men are trying to prove themselves that they know things, that they're worthy that they, they know the things that men should essentially know. And also that in a way that they think that they should be superior to women. I mean, that's a false idea. But this kind of toxic masculinity that in this world they live in they and like is a parallel, I don't think a lot of a lot of that I don't think they fail, I'm just going to step in. I don't think at any point, this movie tries to tell you that these men feel that they should be superior to women. I think it's trying to assert that they have different roles in society. Yeah, no, you know, your wording it better when I say superior, I don't mean like blanketly. What I mean is just that they're definitely feminine and masculine roles in the world in which they are and essentially, like, the man is the provider of that in the household. And that's the thing that's been taken from, from all of them, they want to provide for their families, because that's traditionally what men do for their families, but none of them can they've been feminized. Yeah, exactly. So what this scene is, essentially, it's similar to you know, when girls play sports, or like, Oh, you hit like a girl are, you can't get beat by a girl. It's one of those things where you're trying to downplay the strength of the female by putting yourself up as a man simply by being a man, when in actuality you don't actually even know what you're talking about. And she is probably really good at what she does. And you don't know anything. So I thought that was a strong little moment. Okay, good. Yeah. Glad you I'm glad you like that, but still getting a low score, but just letting it out. Whatever. I really liked the I think the scene came in around that point, maybe a little bit after it, where they're all in Gerald's workout room. Sport room. I don't really know what it is exactly, because there's a there's a stationary bike, but there's also a tanning bed. I don't know what to call the room. Let's just call it their Shangri La girls, man cave jerrells Well, why would a man cave have a tanning bed in it? It's his definition of one. It's very similar to the background I see behind you Jani you know your pink wall. Sure. And your pictures of Greek statues. For the record, those aren't Greek. They're Roman, very dilla taught by Well, you know, the Romans, they were a very they were a very phallic culture. It's artsy, say the listeners. You don't classy, you can't see it. But the poster is like right next to Giannis head. So it's just you know, when he moves in now, it can be pretty humorous at times. I don't know what he's talking about. Exactly. It's a poster of Roman Holiday. I'm literally making all this up. It's all it's been a ruse. I really like that scene where they're in that room. And I believe it's a horse who's looking at a girlie magazine and lumpar makes a comment like her tits are too big about one of the women one of the models in the magazine. And at some point, guy pulls out all these songs. He bought all these songs for the lads to wear and he makes this statement about maybe someone should uh, you know, study the movie, should I you know, should have been professional. I just want to reiterate, I wrote 10 pages of notes. You said you didn't write a single thing. unprofessional unprepared. I feel like I'm remembering a lot off the top of my head. I'm saying you're a lazy piece of shit. Okay, that's fine. I am a lazy PC piece of piece of fecal matter. I can class up anything you say. basically the gist of the scene is that all the everyone in the room realizes I wish I had a better one day class have anything to say? What's it? I think? boobies memories. No, God. Yeah, really? It really DS sexes the word, doesn't it? Yeah. It's just it's totally utilitarian. I remember you said that in an earlier episode. I don't remember which one but it definitely ruin it. You just soil it. It makes something you know, good. And just like, I don't want to because it ties into the what I was trying to say. Shawn, do you want it on wants to do Do you want to look at a picture of memories? I'd say paths but have you said any other word for boobs? I'd say Yes, please. basically the gist of the scene is that all the men realize that on Friday. I think Friday is the day that Their performance is set for all of the women in the room are going to be judging them the exact same way that they are judging the model in that magazine. And I think that really hits home. I think that's something that is a double standard in society, obviously. But it's something that you never realize not never necessarily never realized. But it's something you can tend to forget watching a movie or reading a book, watching TV or even looking at a piece of art is that both sexes do tend to perform the same sort of superficial judgments on one another. I don't really know what I'm trying to say about it. I don't know. I just think it's a great scene. I think it's a terrible scene. But you know, why don't you like about it? Tell me I got was saying I just don't care. I mean, the more the the movie tries to have character centered scenes, the more I generally don't like those, it's more the scenes that fit into the general themes and ideas that the film is trying to illustrate are the ones that I think are just stronger. In general, I preferred character movies, I prefer characters and films that based off of an earlier discussion we had I go to movies for characters, but if you're not going to give me good, strong characters, while the other things are much better than Yeah, I'm going to fall towards that. Because I've just at that point, I've given up on caring about anybody. I think this movie has plenty of strong characters, though. I think your your leads your main characters, but three or four of them. I think they're pretty strong. Guys, definitely don't you don't like Dave, we'll get disagree about Dave. But we need to get to character soon, though, because I don't want to be talking for twice the runtime of this movie. Well, we're getting into the finale now. I mean, do you have anything to say between? Well, this is where a lot of a lot of my time, we are talking about the mom's dad. Oh my God, we almost blanked over that come in. So what happens is following following the scene I just talked about there's a rehearsal Yes. And of everyone shows up to rehearse in their incomplete costumes in front of horses family, his his mother, is I think grandmother, or his aunt, and his niece, and I will say, I laugh three times total in this film, to the times I laughed. Were the reaction shots from the grandmother being confused. Yeah, to me, it's a really fun I was. That was really, because she was just so used. She's like, dancing to their dancing to Gary Glitter and not age. Well. And then in the midst of it all. Yeah, well, no, they knew I'm pretty sure people knew he was a pedophile in the 90s, too. They still like it. I actually don't know I know that he is but I don't know anything about Gary Glitter at all. But but so that's passing a law they use it. Oh, guys, you gotta you gotta you gotta tie. It's a really catchy song. And it's sometimes songs are just too catchy to ignore. They transcend the Creator. Hey, Socrates probably had affairs with multiple underage boys here. Here's what all of Western Western philosophy is based on his teachings, when we find out that Jani is into some really weird shit. As far as I know, he's a pretty normal guy. But as soon as we learn something, feel free to just never listen to this podcast again. Or ask me to provide you with the audio files of just my voice. But no, none of yonni so you just get everything I'm saying then some like blank space, which I can cut free of charge and just put me so you're just hearing everything. Close your extra and it's just basically me talking to myself and you're making some great points right there. You now glad you have you don't have anyone to interrupt you or say some stupid shit. That's my whole thing. By the way. during the rehearsal, we learn what we see Dave walking around the as does the supermarket that his wife works at because she got him a security guard job. Okay, and yeah, let's closely I need to bring this up. Okay, bring it up. Okay, so Dave doesn't go the rehearsal. Everyone's like, Where the fuck is Dave gas goes look for Dave cut to gas at the supermarket being like, Dave, why the fuck aren't you at rehearsal? So what I want to know is how far away is that rehearsal space from the supermarket? Because theoretically, remember, guys doesn't have a car he would have had to have walked. And also, we didn't have cell phones or anything he was just guessing or Dave was he didn't know was that the first place you went? Did he try somewhere else? How long in between how close were those locations? Because theoretically, unless they're right next door to each other. It's going to Take some time, and you have a captive audience. Well, audience that is losing their interest in it. So how long do you think all grandma is gonna wait for good old fat guy Dave to come in? You know, it's not like she was holding her purse there. They brought a couch, the hoard blanket she was knitting. I think she was settled in and ready to sit there for at least two hours. Two hours, man, she did wait that I want to depth after 30 minutes. I said, you guys are wasting my time. Yeah, if I'll give it to you. How did he know to go to as does you're not even addressing the fact that he was already in a security guards uniform. And he probably had gotten the job the day before. What did he have? Was there a training period? Was there a probationary period was the interview like he got that job? Quickly? What was the interview, there's a lot that they just kind of gloss over again, timeline, very imperfect in especially in the third act of this film. But living right along, moving right along a passing cop, right? Just like this film walks inside. Because we have to at some point, it's 130 in the morning, I'm sorry. For me, I'm sorry, buddy. A passing cop. Here's the music going out. Here's the Gary Glitter. It's like, Oh, that's a pedophile, I say someone's probably doing some nasty stuff in there. follows. It sees a bunch of B sees a bunch of old men dancing for dancing for women. And one little boy, yeah, and one little boy, Gerald horse gas and Nathan stay there while lumper and guy run off. And while the rest of the crew is being processed, you see lumper and guy like run into lumpers. mom's place slash his place. And he pulls guy in. And as he's like, pulling him up, standing them up, they have like a very tender moment. And that's when they that's when guy says that line. I always wanted to meet your mom. Okay. So here's, here's what I wrote. big dick says to lumper I've always wanted to meet your mom. So this brings up several questions in my mind. First of all, did they know each other before they met in the context of this film or not? Because using the word always would imply Hey, I always want to meet your mom for quite longer than a few days, you know? So that's my first bit. Second. Well, why the fuck would he want to meet his mom? That doesn't? You want to meet my mom? Do I want to meet your mom? No, that's weird. Third of all? Really? Does he seriously want to meet the mom? I just it doesn't make any. She's an all disabled lady like the what's the reason you want to meet? Or it just doesn't make any sense. Okay. She could have a great personality. She doesn't have a single fucking line in the film. Oh, no, she does. She said, Where were you? I thought you weren't coming home or something? Sorry, she had one line. You're right. It's minimal. It is I'm gonna say it's not. Okay. I know we're going to skip over the police scene, we can go back to it, because I want to lead into the funeral. Because then after that she immediately dies. So it's timeline wise, we cut to two days later as the funeral and gas in the supermarket says she died two days ago. So she essentially died the same day slash night that big dick and that house? Well. I won't get into that. Well, maybe we won't. I don't want to get into that. Why there's so much we've gotten into this is two and a half hours now. Well, I am this is the longest one. I can get into it. It doesn't establish enough I guess what the mother's ailments are, how far along she is, etc. etc. I'm not saying that the film necessarily needed to have that. But if you're going to make such a dramatic point, not an important point, but a dramatic point, with the mother dying. It just you got to give it a little you got to explore it a little bit more. You're just throwing it out of left field and being like, Oh, this is the sad movie in the movie and you go Where the fuck did this come from? We didn't need this. This has nothing to do with anything. It comes out of nowhere. And it just leaves as soon like right after to this is third act. Again. I have admitted and this is one of my principal issues with the third act this specifically. It's Rocky, it's not quite untenable, but it's not the decision I would have made it's it's just it's a third act tragedy. That brings the group together that really solidifies Yeah. Or binds the integrity of the group which is like it happens in a lot of movies. I it kind of happens in three weddings in a funeral or for weddings, whatever is it a funeral for Yeah. for weddings, and a few It's kind of the same thing. Yeah, random character that you don't really learn much about dies. And it's this huge emotional event. There's a funeral there's a speech, you never know. Yeah, it's, it's so weird. Oh, so we agree about that. Yeah, I'm not crazy about Four Weddings and a Funeral. I know I'm gonna get a lot of hot takes from this. I really don't like that film either. I know a lot of people who really love it. But similar to this film, I felt like characters were just not authentic and real. Now, this film is definitely going for a more honest, and certainly a lot more realistic. It's a lot more wise and funerals, certainly more of a rom com than I mean, there's no rom com. It's not as realistic of a setting as this is. And it's not it doesn't have the same commentary that this is going for. But I do have similar issues in that regard. So Dave, and gaz have made up they're not fighting anymore. Dave is hanging out with him. But Dave still doesn't want to dance because he has the body image issues that is finally mollified when news of the so called breaking hits the presses. And the whole city somehow knows that these six wall five guys were stripping in in a steel mill. But it doesn't reach Jean Jean is the only one who doesn't learn about it. Or if she does, she doesn't put two and two together and realize that all the time that Dave was spending out of the house with gas, he was practicing a stripper routine with gas and these four other guys. And so there's a scene right after Dave has made up with gas, where Dave's going into his bedroom and he sees his wife sitting on the couch and she has his thong in her hands. You're not really remembering this movie. It was on the bed, not the couch. But yeah, did I say couch? I know it's bad. I was visualizing bed. Yeah, I'm gonna saying you haven't. You haven't prepared you haven't already know can wait. It's almost 2am. We've been doing this for over two and a half hours. I do this late just to piss you off. I do it late, because this is the only time I can do it. Yeah. Thank you, buddy. I appreciate it. Hope you love your mic. So Dave's wife confronts him. She thinks he's having an affair. Dave finally lets it out. He's been holding in this secret from her the whole time. I was a stripper me and gas. We thought we could make a bit of coin off of it. She reacts you a stripper and gas says yeah, but it's ridiculous. I mean, who would want to see me strip falls to the bed sits down? And his wife Jean says I would. I think I really liked that moment. I think getting them there took a lot of work. And it's very, if we're talking about like a piece of a piece of clothing, you have seams on it. It's a very simi moment you see all the seams that lead up to the to the moment to the payoff. I don't care for that. More. It's like the other really big issue I have with the third act. Maybe the third one being how on earth does jail get that job if the whole city knows that he was the steel mill stripper? Like right, he gets the job right after that. Gerald Carroll? Yeah, no, that doesn't make any sense. And also, I definitely want to go back to what you're saying about Dave. But a How does he get that job? If Aurora knows he's a stripper? And B, if he got that job? Why would he then say you know what, even though I have this job, let's just go out there. Let's just go strip, like, don't you think that would that I believe I can believe that more, I can believe him actually doing it. Because he's made a commitment to these guys. And they want to do it guys still needs the money. It's still on the whole they've got a full house. I think the club owner said they'd sold something like 400 tickets, but he's still potentially throwing away that job that he worked so fucking hard to get that he really needs. I get that he made a commitment. But I think they would understand, hey, I have this job. If I do this performance, they might fire me. They might say, you know, I know this is not an in the job purview. But we can't have a guy stripping who doesn't look good. And just Nick's out and then there goes that I mean it. It doesn't make sense that he would do that. I understand what you were saying earlier with. He's a character that didn't really have a whole lot of friends and found friends and these guys so that's why the film justifies him making that decision. I just still don't think it's a very stupid decision and I don't think he would do it. And you know what, Jani? I want to do that for you. If my job was on the line, I want to do it for you. Oh, well, isn't that sweet? Cuz I would do I would do it for you. It's for me. I would show up at your job button naked and I'd strip for you in front of everyone. And I'd say Sean Corbin paid me to be here. I'm earning money because Sean Corbin wanted to be here right now. And I would go up to your boss and I would remove my shirt and I'd stuffed it in his mouth or her mouth. I Sir, I get fired on the spot. I'd say Sean Corbin wanted me to do this. Thanks Yani. Are you going to do the Full Monty? No, I have self respect. So you're saying these characters don't have self respect? I'm saying the poor don't have self respect, Shawn, please. I'm sorry. How much was your income last year? 11,000. before taxes fail Scrooge McDuck over there. Swing that that cash. The pool of money. He's just got like, cup. Just like $100 bills is just a couple of years like, Oh, that's that much. It's a kiddie pool. And it's full of pennies. And they're also not my pennies. They're they're my my brother's Penny collection. I just borrowed them. Okay, I stole them. He doesn't know that I took them. Please don't. Wouldn't borrow election. That's a weird thing. Hey, bro, can I borrow your petty collection? Well, why on earth would you need a penny? What are you gonna do with a penny collection? Besides spend it? I want to feel like a man of wealth. I don't know. What about pennies makes you feel wealthy? I don't know. Do you know a single wealthy man that doesn't say it makes me well. I said it makes me feel well, Bill Gates is taken out some pennies out of his pocket says God. You know, I have so many I have several rolls of pennies. I feel so wealthy right now. Nothing else I did in my life. Nothing else makes me feel wealthy. But these pennies man Oh, man. Oh my god. I'm a rich motherfucker. You think he's doing that? You think he's saying that? I'll give you that Warren Buffett's probably doing that. But anyone else? I don't think so. He's a miser. Yeah. Warren Buffett eats McDonald's every day. He's definitely it's better than Burger King. So why did we have this trip? The night, my sponsor last night. The Night of the striptease, everyone's there. gaz finds out that not only are is the house full, and there are tons of women in their tickets have also been sold to men. Basically, everyone that they've encountered throughout the movie, the cops, friends, guys from the work club, everyone is there to watch them dance and he gets cold feet, he immediately loses confidence, basically, at the same time that Dave walks in the door and announces that he's going to be a part of part of the routine. And it's something unexpected. I'm sure you have a problem with it. I'm sure you think it's probably forced in there. And I can definitely say see how you might think that well, I want to say two things. But I think I don't think it's out of character for gas is I will say I want I'm 100% gonna circle back to Dave, because you just I didn't make my points. And I hate these so much that I got to bring those points. But going specifically talking about guys right now. Yeah, I don't feel like that was natural. You're telling me the guy that worked so fucking hard to get ever on to be a stripper that came up with the ridiculous idea in the first place. You're telling me now he gets cold feet, it should be the reversed You know, he should be the one pumping everybody up while everyone else is doubting now I understand what they're trying to do. Oh, that's a reversal what I was before and all this other kind of stuff. But I personally just don't think the same guy that was so gung ho about this earlier would now get cold feet. Now you could argue, oh, he couldn't see it full picture until he was actually there. To that I would say well, he was fucking arrested earlier. I think at that point, he would have realized what is actually going on. I think that would be kind of the point where he'd be like, ah, maybe let's not do this anymore. But to still continue on throughout that night. I mean, it's a that's questionable, but be between that and his son encouraging him. I don't understand what his arc is. If his arc is to make his son proud of him, essentially, I don't see how throwing in that curve that's not even totally authentic to what I'm thinking of his character shows that his son should be proud of him in that moment. It doesn't totally register with me couple notes before we move back to Dave not letting that go. But so they throw their belts during the performance. One of those buckles is gotta hit somebody. I mean, that's got to hurt I thought about that, too. That's it we're gonna throw something to the audience. I just don't think belts are a good thing. guys. You guys think that went through? Next. If these are strippers, why is there no money being thrown at the stage? A little suspicious is not the whole point. They're putting on a show. They're not interacting with the audience all that much. They're just the most they do is throw something out into the crowd. They don't i don't know much about stripping. But from what I know from the movies, it throw the money. Life isn't like it is in the movies. Shawn, but this is a movie Jani. So got you there. Also with the flash frame at the end. It's pretty funny that the lights up Tom Wilkinson das. Just a little note. Yeah. fun little fun little happenstance. Oh, yeah, I understand why they ended on that shot. I wish there was a scene to wrap everything up at the very end. I wanted more conclusion, but I wanted it. I didn't I don't think it needed. I think it was perfectly economic. They didn't need to resolve anything else. So we're going to move on a character right now. Really the only we're only talking about one character, Dave, Dave. So Dave, getting to the point at the end. So I just want you to know, listeners and my 10 tight pages I have no one gets more room than Dave. Because hay is both what strongest and most frustrating about this film, he has a lot of really strong moments of pointing to the themes and ideas that the film is trying to get across. That's a plus. But it's also negative. Because by doing that, I constantly felt like you're trying to make this point as opposed to let a character naturally speak for themselves. So something that can be a one off joke has got to be also related to his body dysmorphia. his frustration at his weight, like everything has constantly got to be related back to it. Now, you could always make an argument, oh, good movie. Everything relates to the main themes and ideas. Sure, at the same time, this is a film where you want your characters to at least is trying to be more honest, and more kind of slice of life v. So you don't always want everything as forced and staged. So there are definitely moments and scenes where he didn't need the throw in or a mark or something like that. Like there could be an alternate joke that, you know, didn't fall back on to his I know making fun of himself is self deprecating. Self deprecation. Shit. Shawn, this is the wrong time to be having your argument. So tired. Yeah, that's why I'm having it. All right, moron. You said in the intro. So folks, we just record the intro. And Giannis said, you will always beat me, well, this is my trick to do it late. So you have no ammunition. So yeah, like that's in general how I feel about the character. Like I said, I kind of have a problem with the performance. It's not, I don't know, I can't I can't really articulate in words, it's a bit abstract how I feel about it. where, you know, on a surface level, I think it's a fine performance. Mark, it certainly does an acceptable job. But I struggle to connect with the character. And that has to do with either the writing or the performance, reading the subtitles, everything, I kind of lean towards more towards the performance. But I could also be wrong. Like I said, I also am not a fan of the writers other work with Slumdog Millionaire, which had similar issues. So I'm honestly going back and forth between what I have the bigger issue with, but that's neither here nor there with days ending, which is what I really want to get into. I know we don't have to get really get into but why I at least want to say is that it just a he is really, his transformation is so forced to be for him to go the entire film of basically him questioning himself, basically, he wants, he's seeking his wife's approval. Part of me thinks that doesn't make any sense. And I hear me out first part of me is like, that doesn't make any sense to me, because she's constantly accepting you, you You're the one getting in your own way, not necessarily her. That being said, that is also a very human thing to kind of project your issues on to other people. So I get that, but then it doesn't make sense for the conclusion, because you do have an earlier scene where she essentially says, I accept you. It's not as heartfelt as the final scene, but it's still essentially the same sentiment. So we have that he's kind of like, ignores that. Then she says it later on in that final scene, and then it clicks with him. But here's the other thing. It doesn't, from what I know you're a fan of letting the in between moments kind of speak for the film. And I'm very much someone who feels the text of the film is the text of the film. So if it's important, if it's a thing, it's got to happen, we got to see it, and we actually don't see him register that emotion, we kind of get it, but not really, because literally how the scene goes. So this is when he's still distraught at the very end, he asks, Who wants to see this dance, and his wife says, I do Dave, heartfelt, then they hug. That's like three shots. And we don't, we don't see him register a reaction to what she says it's only the hug. Now I know I'm getting really technical and really nitty gritty about this. But by not having that moment of his realization, and then cut to, oh, man, I am all in on this dancing, it really undercuts the moment, and that revelation for himself. And also just, you know, as a person, if you're, it's like, either yourself self reliant on that other person's opinion, that you totally change that quickly, which doesn't entirely make sense, or what I think is more realistic, and more. So what it actually is, is, it's him projecting onto her. And it was that case, her accepting him that accepting him in that moment, is not going to totally change his perspective. Sure, he might be more willing to accept who he is down the road and everything, but it's still gonna take some time. And so he's still gonna be very unsure of himself. So for him to basically go in performance, be like a whole new man. It's just totally unrealistic. So that all frustrated the hell out of me. Also, a little side note, that is not character, but just doesn't make any sense. This is a timeline thing. You're going to tell me that he hasn't practiced with them for about a week. And that he can jump back into it right away. They haven't changed it to Korea, Korea at all. And he hasn't practiced again in a week. You're telling me he's ready for that? I kind of think he messes it up. I kind of think he's actually not ready. Well, two things. I don't think any of them are practicing close to five or six days because of the arrests. And yeah, all of that lumpers mom dying. But two things listeners, I just want to note that during Sean's ferry extended to scamp there, we pass the two times the film's runtime mark there. That's right. We've been recording this podcast for over three hours and four minutes. Now it is it'll be so hard and a half hour film, maybe this can just be pared down to an hour and a half. Just a reminder, that Kabhi Khushi, Kabhi Gham. podcast, I think we only recorded for like 215, I think was like right already that got cut down to 138, something like that. Your remarks on Dave? Yeah, he's, you know, he probably he ties into like, my three big issues. With the third act, Dave's revolution doesn't really stick the landing. I don't think it's the end. for him. I don't think the movie tries to tell you that that's the end of the issues between him and his wife. I wouldn't infer that from their interactions, and his behavior from the remainder during the remainder of the film, or I wouldn't infer that from their interactions then or with everything leading up to it, I would assume because he is a human being with image and weight issues, that it's still a long road to go. But I would see the I would see the performance, though, somehow well as as well performed, as it was impossibly well performed as it wound up being the performance as less of a capstone on the issue and more of a benchmark, just another major, another major way stone in that path to or that structure of body positivity, however you want to put it. But again, I think that comes down to philosophically how we look at films and what we say should and shouldn't be included. I think a film can speak more when you allow it to. And if you think it only has one chance to say what it's trying to say so I'd better say it. I watched it three times to each neurone I watched it three times. I know what this film is fucking saying. Oh, you've watched it three times. Okay, so you've watched it at the at the most of a quarter of the times that I've seen it in my whole life a quarter. I pray that I never watched this movie again. I have besides this podcast, no reason to like honestly, if someone came over to my house said, you know what I really want to watch right now the full monty I'd first kick them out, even if like it's I don't know how Corona is gonna go. It's full pandemic. There's zombies and everything going on. I'm still kicking them out. Saying you do your full Monte striptease out there. Good luck, my friend. I am never I hope I never have to watch this movie again. I think that's probably a good place to end it on. Also, because we've been doing this for three hours and eight minutes now at least favorite photography editing. Yeah, directing me. Please favorite scene? favorite scene? Definitely the the audition least favorite scene would probably say, Well, I got to actually now that I think about a couple of scenes the audition the cops it while they're being processed. I'm so I'm so tired right now. I can't even think it's okay. I don't know if I'll actually say I really like the scene with horse in the in the telephone booth where he's calling customer service over his penis in Florida. I got a I got saying it's not working. It's not working in the sense that it's not working. I got a fun fact for you. You're on a show. In my research, I came across the fact that they did that scene three times. One time with a little girl one time with an old lady. And they said it works better just by himself. isn't a fun fact for this film. Was that supposed to be an impression of me? I can't do impressions we've already established Oh, the striptease. That's obviously one of my favorite scenes. Fun fact, a fun fact. That's what you sound like, by the way. Fun fact, they filmed that only once the the whole where they go before Monte they filmed it only once. And they did actually go fold nude for the audience. That was the one stipulation. If they were going to do it, if they were going to rip off those songs and move the hat, remove the hats and show their genitals to all those people. They were only going to do at once they had one shot. And so you had camera operators hiding in the audience. And I think something like three or four cameras set up. I love little stories like that from from production, hearing that things were captured in one take or they only had one instance instance to do it or they stole a location or just something that adds a layer of intrigue to a stage of the film or an element of the film that as a common viewer, you may not necessarily be exposed to. Little little trivia, fun facts. Thank you for that real fun fact. Another fun was a fun fact. Everyone got to see Robert Carlisle's penis and Tom Wilkinson. I'm actually curious. Another fun fact for you is that mark Addy is also on Game of Thrones. I don't know if you knew that he place proper karate. Oh, we've come full circle. That's actually also ironic because at some point, we're going to hit three hours 60 minutes, which has a circle. Okay, so concluding all this my I mean, my final thoughts are you know, I'm not a big fan of movie, yada, yada my rating, I would have given a five out of 10 after my second watch of the film. We were watching it for the third time. I'll give it a 5.8 not fully a six but a little bit better. And because you're doing weird points, you know, we're allowed to you did a 7.7 earlier. So yeah, if you're going to get that minutiae in the ratings, I will too. And I want you to know I just took the point a out of my ass I knew is going to be somewhere in the fives. I just didn't know where and I just said eight. You know, because of that. I want to go 5.6 5.6 that's my rate. Oh, so yeah, thank you. shucks, that point too. I'll take that point to it. Just give it a 7.9 nosh. Okay, well, well, you're not using it. I'd rather throw it in the trash like the DVD copy of this film. And get a blu ray because it's the way of the future not digital downloads or streaming blu rays. You got it for me heard it from the horse's mouth got a penta Scotto I'm gonna watch this on Hulu. I'm gonna send Hulu a letter and just say Please take this movie down. I just hate it so much. I just want it to not be accessible that's all okay. Okay, cool. I don't know if we really need to talk about right we know we don't need to talk about nevermind what I'm saying we can segue to next Okay, so that's your rating? Yeah, that's fair. Shawn. Maybe it's just because it's 220 in the morning and I'm not really registering things all that well. So I don't remember but what are we gonna watch next week? Well Jani we're doing a fun little different thing next week. What we are we are Yeah, so what tomo what we decided beforehand was every 10 Films Do you watch so every 10 episodes we're going to pay every 10th or every year every 10th? We're going to pick one that we both actually really like this 10th you're gonna pick so Jani, what are we watching on our 10th episode? Wow, man. I don't know. There's so many out there. So many to choose from such a wide and vast array of films swimming about why you say it like that. It's something that we both we both mutually like you're setting it like something I'm an ocean of ages. You're so used to saying Shay things to me that it's just like your tone is being an asshole. If If our if the nature of our relationship wasn't as such, I don't think we'd have a podcast and you wouldn't have your 70% so you just suck on it and just sit down and you suck on that you need my to give versation your whites ladies and gents it's it's a big word. You don't know it. And I also didn't necessarily use it correctly. Yeah, he's he's fading kind of, um fade What the fuck are we watching on Twitter? We want you to tell me ladies and gents for next week's film. You're gonna want to head down to your storm cellars get underneath the table. Stay underneath doorframes Don't you dare go outside because we're watching the human tornado shed looking forward to that one gonna be a good one. Oh, we know what's a good one. What? Human tornado Rudy Ray Moore. I don't know what year it was. Maybe it was like 1976. It's the follow up to dolomite better in every single way. I don't need to I'm not going to go at length. Yeah, we'll talk about that. Because we're probably gonna talk about it for about three and a half hours too. We're pretty much gonna talk three and a half hours one scene where he jumps naked for jobs but naked. Well, no, let's not wait. Let's save it next week. But if we don't devote like, 30 minutes to that one like 10 second bit, I'd be shocked. It is a master class of filmmaking. I don't even say it ironically. Martin Scorsese your heart out. Oh, good. Cool. All right, Sean. Yani until then, yeah, we say Sundance, you say? Oh, no. Oh, Jani. You just say Jani. Thank you for participating. Thank you for picking up another horrendous film. I look forward to watching something actually enjoyable next week. Until then, and thank you for your blind ambivalence. Until then, fuck you, and go fuck yourself. Go hug yourself. Sean. Can you say a little louder? You say I can't beep it. If you're saying it's so fast. You're not here. When you say it low and you say it's hard to beep it and you want me to beep it. So just do a normal go yourself. You are fucking impossible. I can't. I can't just fuck off and then so much. You're my best friend.