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We sit down and talk to Ronald Tarvin, World champion powerlifter, gym owner, and strength coach. We talk about how powerlifting has changed in his 10 years in the industry, where he got his coaching philosophy from, what its like at the big competitions compared to local competitions, and all the stories that lead up to put him where he is in his career.
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All right. Hello everyone. This is Friday night at the barbell with your post myself, Carson, Josh and Bryant
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Today we have a really awesome guest here. We'll let Brian introduce as he does the great introductions. So
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so today we've got
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Ronald Sir Jim Rat fitness Torven with us world-class powerlifter
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great coach a local Alabama guy out of Montgomery, Millbrook area and
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a lot more than just coaching
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It's got all the stories in the world and all the experience just in athletics alone. So
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Ronald
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tell the people hello and
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We'll get started with any questions we have
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Which is a lot
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I'm not the greatest in son of a mic, but we're gonna try to be
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Relatively clear if I stubble a little bit
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Yeah, we'll cut it out. All right. That's what we'll cut any any ohms any
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So we always start with a controversial question and for you I
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Want to know does pineapple belong on pizza?
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Yes
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That is controversial. That's my favorite Fruit
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You put your favorite fruit on a pizza
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interesting
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I'm a big
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I know a lot of people are very opinionated about this
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All of some it gives a nice the so it gives a nice contrast to the savory of the pizza
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It's like a salty sweet. So yeah, you get the sweet in there
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Yes, I have I too tried it and I think he pizza actually has a
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Buffalo chicken and pineapple pizza
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It didn't say it on the menu one time when I ordered it and it came out and there's like pineapple all over
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Oh, the buffalo chicken pizza and I was like what the fuck is this shit?
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No one told me I
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Feel gaslighted without knowing anything about this pizza. So you eat it. Yeah, I eat it nice. It was on the table
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Yeah, what am I send it back? Hey take this fucking pineapple off you fucking animals
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At least I think I did be I think I did say like hey, uh
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It doesn't sell the menu this has pineapple on it there. Oh, yeah, it's new tell me tell me that I'm ordering this
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Not everybody wants pineapple on it. Well, you do too. That's fair to two four two against
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Not a man. You're wrong. I mean, I've been wrong before and I stand by that. I'm correct the situation
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There's no way I would back off because it's fucking disgusting
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I'm not a fruit or vegetable guy though. So that might be part of it, too
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I don't really like to mix, you know, I like to keep things traditional if you will
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separate
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I have some other ones soon
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Tempted hold it. Oh, yeah
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I went I went down I went down one night and like Google controversial questions
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Controversial debate questions. I asked other people. That's how I got the straw one
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I asked other people that I know in there the last one we asked the guy mark
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We asked him does a straw have one or two holes and he started he started his answer
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With with quoting his class from engineering school. He's like, oh, well, I took differential geometry
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And we actually talked a little bit about this in that class. I was just like
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I
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Can't argue that no way so you're talking about different axons and different which shout out mark your voice more than me
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That was a funny
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His answer was one. Okay. That's right. That's right. And then some other people I talked to about that
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There's a whole
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group of people I'm friends with from the internet
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but they've had the same conversation before and their opinion on it was if
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If a straw has one hole then so does the human body
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Your mouth and your anus are the same hole at that point and I was like, that's pretty totally but it that way
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You didn't the murky water there in literally anyways
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When they said that I was just like, oh, I did not think of it that way, but you're not wrong
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But not right either fuck that. Yeah
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Such a good one. You want to start with Josh's questions? You had a lot. I did have a lot
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I had a couple from Instagram people dropped me
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Like Anthony Foster who said how does it feel to be the first person of color on the top?
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Which I'm sure feels just awesome, you know finally feels pretty and then I'm leaving someone who's getting off the back of the bus
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I know you got to buck that for him. Yeah
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So was it like compete that meet with other elite level like top influence or power lifters like Blake what you
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Don hack and Jamal, but what's the energy around that me versus like a local lead?
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So that particular me I don't think Blake actually did that me
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I don't think that was the one he did Jamal was there hack was there
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I guess some of some of the big names are there. So just Joe Sullivan Chad Benson on the male side
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Griggs B was there on the female side Chrissy Hawkins
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Briani Terry Tamer Walcott she broke the I think I was the biggest female Dallas of all time
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Yeah, anyway class at that me, but the names were just it was the same and I what that wasn't the first
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I guess star studded lineup that I've been a part of but it it never gets old
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I've done a lot of meets like that invitation meets with some of the biggest legends all time in the sport and that
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The engine room. It's crazy man. Everybody is it's height for everybody
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You would think you're in a local meat man the top of the top are actually really supportive
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And I tell people that's all the time. It's these mediocre motherfuckers that's that like to talk about nonsense
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And I think they run things but the best of the best there they're extremely welcoming
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And we all have a good time during the meet and the post meet parties are
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legendary
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I heard a couple of words me throwing around about those
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You know what I want me to get into all of that because I haven't taken part in some of the things that y'all
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I feel like talking about but uh
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You know being friends with some of the people that that take place in some of that stuff. I've heard some stories. Yeah
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I've heard stories, but no confirmation. So yes, maybe maybe I've heard these same stories after a lot of these big meets
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So I'm just gonna go ahead and record and say this stuff probably
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I don't have any doubts anymore. I can probably I may get a message after I shared
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Is this this kind of stuff like
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Yeah, if you ever hear about the big orgies that come after the big meets
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We can assume their truth
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They need orgies, you know, there's a lot of meat at those meat city, you know, I mean just in general
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that's why you got you got some meaty 165 women and then
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Jack's
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198 to do 75 men. I imagine there's a lot of beef being thrown around all the halo has to go somewhere
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Something's in the air
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How many meats have you actually competed at?
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Uh, the meat I did two weeks ago was number 28 28
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No, yeah, still doing the dancing started first
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My first sanctioned meat was in november 2014. I did seven meets in my first 14 months
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Was looking back on it now was stupidest thing. Oh, thank you. I thought it was I was still making progress
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Yeah, I was my total was gonna meet me, but I was having so much fun
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It felt like shit
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It's a beyond as much as you I didn't I was I was 25 at the time 34 now
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I probably didn't know how to like really peak your body at the time either you're just I think I was still getting stronger each time
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Yeah, it just kind of turned to a baby train anything at the time what I was doing is
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And I don't know where I'm not this fun
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But what I would do is I would take the entire week meat off
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I would do shit so I wouldn't move your gym or training on the cardio
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I would take the entire week off old school go to meet on Saturday. Some people still do that
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go to meet on a Saturday hit a pr total and
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Go pig out
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Which started going to what we were talking about a little bit before we got on there
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I would do that after we had I would go buffet and just eat all the greasy shit
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Those women I was still I was cutting weight to make 165 at the time
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So looking back on it if I knew then what I know now probably had even better days
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um
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But yeah, I ate some just terrible stuff
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The name for me, you know, I think I would estimate 99 of people go and eat something terrible for me
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Yes, they do. Yeah, I just I put it like this the the people that don't have coaches. I would say absolutely
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Most good coaches tend to kind of advise their lifters to stay away from anything that they now if you eat like shit during training
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Then yeah eat shit before you know before you can beat don't try to get healthy now
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So the most part kind of try to stick to what most people eat before training your beef and rice
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That kind of stuff
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So if it's not something that you have that you've had regularly during your prep then you probably shouldn't have it the day
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Oh, okay. Oh, you could be yeah. Yeah, it would be I think that's probably the
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Normal recommendation now is like just do what you normally do. Yeah, don't go outside of it
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If you normally eat like a pig probably keep eating like a pig
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You're probably gonna feel like shit one way or the other that way so if it is broke also don't
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Not the day of makes it later
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So I got any questions though
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The Ronald's starting because your background which I was listening I listened to another park as he did back
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It was April
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But you were kind of talking about your beginnings
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So you were a college athlete you played baseball and then you actually kind of got into crossfit first, right?
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Um smaller guy at the time
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So kind of how how did that progression go as far as kind of going from there into
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Powerlifting so when I started talking back to sick to college, um
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I did play college baseball for four years at
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Um well played two years of the junior college the Bishop state down in mobile where I'm from
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After my sophomore year I transferred up to Faulkner University in Montgomery
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Where I was for three years played two years including them and then I had a red shirt here because of an injury but
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um after that
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After all my pro ball aspirations were kind of tanked after a couple injuries
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I needed something to stay active stay competitive and I actually saw a guy who was wearing a crossfit
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The name of the gym at the time was CrossFit 2L2Q which actually still exists in Montgomery now
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but he wore a shirt into the the campus rec center and
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I asked him, you know, kind of what that was and I started looking it up online. I saw the
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There was like 2011 crossfit games. I was like the shit was cool. It was fun. Yeah
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It's like
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competitive lifting and all the guys guys and very little jacks. I was like, okay, cool
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Where is this at that happened to be a place roughly five minutes from where school was so I was going down there and I was
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Very I was 22 at the time and I don't know if y'all know anything about crossfit, but it's fucking expensive
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It's like 125 hundred fifty dollars a month
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That's always has been yeah, and I could not afford that but on Saturdays
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They have these like open community workouts where anybody wants to come just do the workout for free and kind of test it out
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You're more than welcome. Well, I was doing that every Saturday for months before I was able to actually join
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So I did that for roughly two and a half years did a few competitions had a good time
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I just I hated the conditioning aspect of it hated running hated growing hated all that stuff
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But I was always that like I was terrible at the gymnastic stuff
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I wasn't great at the conditioning stuff, but I was always the
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Insanely strong small guy. It's like 165 pounds shred to the gills
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um, but a 500 pound deadlift as a crossfit at 165 pounds at the time was it was insane
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So I actually found powerlifting through crossfit. I didn't know what the deadlift was until I started doing crossfit
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I had an injury. I was actually trying to demonstrate
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I don't know if you have a butterfly pull-ups are one there excessive keeping gymnastic side pull-ups
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I was trying to demonstrate that to a class that had come in and I recall tearing my
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tricep a terry is on my lap all at the same time. That's on the bar
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And there's eyes watching me do this and I feel just this burning lightning bolt just go
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Just go for my tricep down my side
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And I think to myself oh shit. I just fucked something up, but I continued because I didn't want to like
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I'm curious
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I go get it checked out and I find out that's what it is. I can do nothing about it related. So I start squatting four days
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My squad explodes. I squatted 400 for the first time and then shortly after that I decide I don't want to do this shit anymore
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I just want to lift it
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You know if y'all know anything about rev dole
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So
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We're just talking about rev dole right here
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Yeah, may of 2014. I was
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Sleeping maybe three hours a night. I was working two jobs. I was bodybuilding and doing crossfit all at the same time
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Well, I also donated plasma twice a week because I was broke
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And I was trying to make a little extra money. I wouldn't have it
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Didn't know any better
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After a just an all out arm workout for like three days. I couldn't move arms arms are locked up super sensitive to the touch
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Everybody's poking my arms thinking it's funny. I'm thinking to myself. I just got this extreme pump that just likes it
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One week then at like seven o'clock. I go to the bathroom
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Water is coffee black. So again, I'm thinking nothing other than I'm 25. I'm invincible at the time
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I'm thinking I had like three energy today
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Something's fine. Everything's fine. I wonder
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As the day서Thank god sweat
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My hair is definitely all white if you ask
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Explore what we're doing with this
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you should probably go to the hospital.
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This just keeping me washed up. And I see it goes because I'm giving
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So I know I'll go in the morning.
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She's like, no, you should probably go now.
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So I go to the hospital, go to the PR
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and the guy comes back, he's like, well, what brings you here?
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A substantial no usual
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I said, I think I have RAP though.
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He goes, well, what makes you think that I said,
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Slow confetti
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s
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I looked up all the symptoms
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and I have all the symptoms.
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He goes, you know 99% of the time
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when people tell me they look up the symptoms,
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chances are they're wrong.
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He walks out of the room, comes back, he goes, well,
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you were right.
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Oh, I was like, cool.
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So when I got here, he said,
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oh, you ain't going anywhere for a while.
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So I ended up in ICU for six days.
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I lost like 11 pounds while I was in there.
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And he actually told me, he said,
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if I waited until the morning to come in,
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that I was going to be a dialysis patient for the rest of my life.
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I lost my kidney and would not be able to do anything
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close to what I'm doing now, every day.
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So shout out to the young lady I was seeing.
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I know how you're doing.
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I'm trying to bring you to the clinic.
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But after I got out of the hospital, like I said,
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I lost like 11 pounds and I just decided to walk more.
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Anyway, let me pray for a body plan.
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Let's do this.
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Meathead fatality.
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I don't know what it means later.
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And I actually have the transformation from me
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being in a hospital bed with wires and tubes
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that go to me to meat bed, just diced on stage.
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It was, I look back on it now and I'm inspired,
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but still thinking to myself, this was really stupid.
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Yeah.
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Decided I never want to do a bodybuilding show again.
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I like to eat too much.
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I hate cardio too much.
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Just wanted to do that.
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Did a local pyrolysis to me maybe six weeks after that
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at a commercial gym.
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Tell me, man, I was young and stupid.
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That's pretty good.
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Crazy transition to the going from baseball
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straight into CrossFit, straight into bodybuilding
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after injury and rhabdo, straight into pyrolysis.
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No, no risk at all.
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Yeah.
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And for people that don't know, rhabdomyolysis
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is a breakdown of muscle tissue that releases
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damaged proteins into the blood and normally releases
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myoglobin into the blood, which can damage and kill
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your kidneys.
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So it's life-threatening.
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Yeah, I'm an expert.
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I work at the local hospital here in Tuscaloosa.
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And we see that a lot.
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It's rarely seen with athletes that come in.
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Most of the time it's like older people
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that are found down in their home for like three days
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because they broke their hip and then they go under rhabdom.
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But they can get really serious just like I was saying.
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Some people end up on dialysis.
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That was not the case.
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There's a symptom of like, extreme overtraining.
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It's very rare in athletes because it takes a whole lot
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to actually do that.
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I think it was so extreme overtraining,
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terrible amounts of sleep, extreme dehydration of,
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like I said, donate plasma twice or two.
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So if it didn't happen then it was going to probably happen
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at some point.
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Yes, I got in some kind of, I hit the log or something.
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Started making more money.
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How far removed from your torn tricep and everything was that?
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So I want to say that happened during,
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it was right before the CrossFit Open started early 2014.
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So that's at the first part of the year.
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So I want to say that was like February from that mistaken.
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And then, like I said, May was when the rhabdom incident happened.
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I went to the hospital.
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I went in the hospital.
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It was around my dad's birthday, May 4th.
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Like I said, I recalled it for six days.
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Didn't tell my parents about it until maybe day four.
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And they were pissed.
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Yeah, bet.
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Now, granted, I don't have any family that lives in the city
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that I live in.
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All my family is not in Mobile, but they were pissed.
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Because obviously they wanted to support.
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But I just didn't want to hear the,
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like I told you, so all of this crazy training
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is going to get you hurt, you know, trouble and all that.
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So I just didn't want to hear all that.
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But yeah, they weren't too happy about it.
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Yeah, I can see that.
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I know back then in 2011, really probably 2009 to 2015
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was the CrossFit boom per se.
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Like 2011 was if you were watching the ESPN,
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you saw the CrossFit games.
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And it got a lot of people off the couch.
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And I bet rhabdo went up.
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Whether it was a nice spike in rhabdo or crossfit.
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Yeah, my dad did that.
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So he got rhabdo.
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He should never, never gone to the gym, never let touch the weight.
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And she went into like a kind of like an open gym,
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kind of like something we're talking about there.
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And either across her workout, like 45 minutes in the next day,
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she said she woke up and could not move out of bed.
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She didn't call it any less to come together.
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And she was going to have rhabdo,
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had to go to the hospital for a few days.
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But it did on the flip side.
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You get a lot of people.
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I also did it probably in 2013 or 2014.
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And probably about three straight months or so,
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for the same reason.
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Like graduated, stopped playing basketball,
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didn't have anything competitive to do.
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And CrossFit was like the only thing
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you saw lifting lives that was competitive.
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You kind of knew about bodybuilding back then.
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But it was like, I don't really know how to do bodybuilding.
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But CrossFit, you just walk through a gym
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and they hand you a barbell.
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Right.
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Very tangible.
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So yeah, they do.
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I mean, they do good workouts.
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Like they actually do.
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They can scale literally everything.
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But the environment makes you want to do more than you can.
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And they allow that by their kipping pull-ups.
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Or they don't really teach the Olympic lifts that very well.
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So it's almost like high school level coaching.
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So you kind of move weight overhead.
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So a lot of people can go in and throw a lot more weight
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than they can actually do.
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And that's how people end up with torn lats, triceps,
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and pairs.
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Like you said, it's not that easy.
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Yes, 100%.
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More than it's hard.
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Yeah, for sure.
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So going back to the baseball to CrossFit and bodybuilding
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now to powerlifting.
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So how is the knowledge from baseball and the bodybuilding
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transferred to you being a successful powerlifter
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in this system?
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So having been somebody who's been an athlete since I was three,
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I played sports year round.
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I was basketball and baseball football all the way up
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until I got to high school where I just
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decided to specialize in baseball.
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I had a heavy work ethic instilled in me from my parents,
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especially my Bob Susan's work, two or three jobs
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for a lot of his life to help support myself
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and my two sisters and my mom.
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So honestly, a lot of the values as far as work ethic
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and staying on task and taking things seriously at all times,
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not taking things for granted, I try to honestly,
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lead that by example when it comes to passing that down
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to my lifters because I do have a lot of lifters that will come
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to me initially, just going through the motions,
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going to the gym and not doing things to their full potential
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because it's not a lift that they enjoy and stuff like that.
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Asking specifically to not have to do certain lifts
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because they don't find it fun or it's not something
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that they want to do.
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Just letting them know that you're
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going to have to do things that you don't necessarily
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enjoy doing if you want to progress.
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And honestly, if you're in powerlifting and you expect
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this to be fun all the time, you're in the wrong sport.
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This is a monotonous sport.
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There's three lifts for a reason.
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You get better at squat bench and they lift by squat bench
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and they lift and there's not.
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You can throw all the accessories and variations
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and stuff at lifters, but ultimately,
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if you're not proficient at the actual main three movements,
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I don't care how much you reverse band, such and such,
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or what you docks squat or all this other stuff,
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not to grow off on a tangent.
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But if you can't transfer these specific movements
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to the actual competition on the platform,
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it's pretty irrelevant.
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Once you compete, if you're not competing,
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you're just training for enjoyment.
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That's one thing.
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But once you step on the platform one time,
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the only thing that really matters
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is what you do on the platform.
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I think I would agree.
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I want to know kind of transitioning from that.
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Who are your influences in your style of coaching?
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Who influenced you to coach the way that you do?
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Because you said you coach and you told me earlier
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you have around 40 athletes.
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Yes, that's what I'm interested in.
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So yeah, I mean, that's a lot of athletes
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and everyone's individual to an extent,
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but like you said, squat bench,
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they lift before we're trying to get best at.
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It's going to be pretty specific most of the time.
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And who kind of influenced you to take that direction?
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Yeah, so the very first coach I had was 2016,
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Chad Westersmith, and the Juggernaut training principal
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was the Society of Principles of Train Training,
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was the methodologies that he followed.
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I learned a lot from him.
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And after my time working specifically with him,
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I did a lot of studying, the stuff that he wrote.
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I watched every seminar that he had on YouTube at the time.
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He was, he and Randy Lilly at the time
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who was the founder of the Cube Method.
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Those were two of the more popular
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programming methodologies around at the time.
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There was a big fit set was around at the time too
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with Sweet Burns.
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But the Juggernaut principles is where I got a lot
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of my coaching styles from and I've done a lot of
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adapting that to specific business
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and just kind of putting my own spin on it.
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I don't necessarily say I have a specific programming style.
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Now I do have a lot of the same key principles,
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but like you said, obviously you got a tailor thing.
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So what the needs are the individual athlete.
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I'm still learning.
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I've been coaching since late 2015.
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That's when I kind of really dove into it full force.
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And like I said, I still don't claim to know everything.
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I'm consistently trying to learn.
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I'm always researching something,
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always listening to some sort of podcast,
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always trying to sell you another information
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from other sources.
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So I'm constantly trying to progress.
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Just to say I'm as a lifer.
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So always trying to get a little better.
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I think you're in the perfect time, you know,
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because back then with Chad Wilson Smith
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and Brandon Lilly and Martin Ripetot, Dave Tate,
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all those guys like the methodologies
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they came out with a very old school.
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I think Chad Wilson Smith was on the cutting edge
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of things back then,
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but now my information is so easy to get.
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And there's so many people that are researching the stuff
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and applying it and seeing what works and what doesn't.
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Outside of clinical research.
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So now you can also combine older principles
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from Chad Wilson Smith with newer stuff
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that comes out as it comes.
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So, but there's no better time
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than now to be a power lifter.
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So just so much stuff that is out there
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that has been revised or improved upon
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or figured out this variation won't work for raw lifters
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because of the way it worked for our geared lifters
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back then like a box squat, for instance.
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Like nobody box squats anymore for a reason.
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But it's pretty fun time to be a coach.
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Because there's so many different ways.
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I said it earlier too,
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but there's so many ways to skin a cat
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and that applies in coaching,
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that applies in lifting,
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and that applies in life as well.
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But just to be able to mix all the methodologies together
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whenever you get something new
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and you're able to say, does this actually work?
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Let's try it.
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And you might have the perfect guinea pig for it,
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or you might figure out.
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Myself.
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That too.
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I'm my own science.
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Yeah, you got to.
481
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It's hard to give someone something that you've never done.
482
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:32,720
I don't feel good about it.
483
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:33,560
Yeah, right.
484
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,400
But I never take it.
485
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,400
And people will realize it too.
486
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,320
And to see someone else struggle with something
487
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,720
you haven't tried yet is pretty tough.
488
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:40,960
Yeah.
489
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,960
I wanted to piggyback off what y'all were saying.
490
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,040
So I was in the other podcast you did with Don.
491
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,280
I heard you mentioned,
492
00:25:48,360 --> 00:25:51,320
if your lifter does very well,
493
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,200
you give them all the credit.
494
00:25:54,360 --> 00:25:55,640
But if your lifter doesn't do well,
495
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,920
you kind of take that personally
496
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,160
and you take responsibility for that.
497
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,720
I think that speaks a lot to how you are as a coach,
498
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,600
but also to your character as a person.
499
00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,880
So in saying that,
500
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,080
so what would be like more satisfying or fulfilling to you?
501
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,480
Like seeing one of your athletes hit a big goal
502
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,440
that they've been wanting to for a while?
503
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,120
Say like a total of however much
504
00:26:17,120 --> 00:26:19,480
or going to a big meet yourself
505
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,320
and like hitting a big goal that you've had.
506
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,000
Oh, that's a good question.
507
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,120
It's always gonna be my activity to accomplish something
508
00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:29,720
that they've been wanting or didn't think was possible.
509
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,040
I say this, I've said this numerous times.
510
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:33,080
I'm 34.
511
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,200
I've got, you know, probably four or five years
512
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,440
where I feel like I can consistently kind of stay near
513
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,320
the top of the game, but I can be a great coach
514
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,280
and continue to improve until I decide
515
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,560
I wanna do this anymore.
516
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,720
I think the powerlifting thing's gonna be more so
517
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:46,640
if I were to continue,
518
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,560
I feel like it would be my body will tell me when it's time
519
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,520
to kind of let it go or back off.
520
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,600
But realistically, as far as a coaching standpoint,
521
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:55,040
I can continue to get better at that
522
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,160
and get that at an elite level as long as I choose to.
523
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:02,200
So I take a lot of pride in my lifters progress.
524
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,480
And like you said, I take it personally
525
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:05,480
when they don't do well.
526
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:08,160
That's also one of the reasons why I try not to really compete
527
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:09,560
with same meets my lifters are doing
528
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:14,560
because I'm active 100% of myself physically, emotionally
529
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,480
to my lifters and I'm extremely invested in their progress.
530
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,760
So if they have a good day, like you said, it's on them.
531
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,760
I wanna lurk in the shadows.
532
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:24,040
I don't want the glory.
533
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:25,760
If they wanna commend me or something like that
534
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:29,040
on a social media post or something full, I appreciate it,
535
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,200
but I don't do this for that kind of recognition.
536
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,480
But at the same time, like you said,
537
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,400
if they don't have a good meet
538
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,000
it's something that I could have done better.
539
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,440
True enough, they may have been able to show up
540
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,920
from the outside of training that I have nothing to do with,
541
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,480
sleep, nutrition, all that kind of stuff.
542
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:44,520
But for the most part,
543
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,880
I'm gonna take the burden of blame for it.
544
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:47,720
Yeah.
545
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:48,840
I guess that's what it'd be.
546
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,560
I think that's kind of how the best coaches over time
547
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,720
have been in all sports.
548
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,200
So if the team does well, the team did well.
549
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:56,040
That's right.
550
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,280
If the team does bad, I didn't get them prepared.
551
00:27:58,280 --> 00:27:59,120
Yeah.
552
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:00,760
That's kind of how, probably how it should be.
553
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,400
So how do you think the sport of powerlifting
554
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,280
has evolved over the past decade?
555
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,640
Considered I've been in the sport almost a decade now.
556
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:10,480
This is year nine.
557
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,400
That's a really good question.
558
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:13,920
So I'll put it like this.
559
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,920
In 2014, when I did my first meet at 165,
560
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:25,480
I think my first total was like 1370 something.
561
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,800
And so at that time that was top 25 on the planet.
562
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,800
At the time.
563
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,840
You got 16 year olds in that same weight class now,
564
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,400
but not those kind of numbers.
565
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,560
I'll keep it in perspective with that weight class
566
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:45,560
specifically in 2017, my best total period at 165
567
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,960
or 75 keys was 1592.
568
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:50,960
And at the time that was 17 pounds
569
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:52,840
off the all time old record.
570
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,400
You got juniors now that are doing that.
571
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:57,200
And then some.
572
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:01,080
So in some cases there's probably 19 year olds,
573
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,760
teens, they're doing these ridiculous things.
574
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,840
So the talent pool is, it's exploding.
575
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:09,200
You got a lot of kids now coming from high school,
576
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,320
looking to power lift after high school,
577
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,880
not just looking to go to college,
578
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,760
to make football, basketball, baseball, stuff like that.
579
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,080
There are potential continuous education opportunity
580
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,720
to be a scholarship now with powerlifting.
581
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,480
Not to mention a lot of competitive avenues.
582
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:26,200
There's collegiate nationals and multiple federations.
583
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,480
There's just a lot of ways that people can get into the sport.
584
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,000
And now you're seeing these, these genetic freaks come from,
585
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,800
you know, they play college football for two years,
586
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,280
decide they don't want to play football anymore.
587
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:36,960
Now you got this freaking nature running back
588
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:38,920
that's been trained in this shed
589
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,200
with 30 inch quads that squatting 700 pounds.
590
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,960
As a, you know, as a 20 year old running back.
591
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,920
It's just, the talent pool is just continuing to explode
592
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,440
as the sport continues to get more exposure.
593
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,800
And I mean, five years from now, it's gonna be,
594
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,200
what we see now is the tip of the iceberg.
595
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:56,840
And I think there's gonna be some numbers
596
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,600
that we think are unfathomable, unfathomable now
597
00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,200
that are gonna be just blown away.
598
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,080
Just like numbers that are being hit now five years ago,
599
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,800
we didn't think were possible.
600
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,720
You see people under 200 pounds, like Chad Francis,
601
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,320
just as a name drop, Chad Vincent's probably gonna
602
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,840
squat a grand around 220.
603
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:18,680
Yeah.
604
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:20,840
I said that that's just somebody that I know personally.
605
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:22,680
I'm not gonna drop many names,
606
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:24,600
but he's just, he's one of those guys that I've known
607
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,840
for a while that is just absolutely defined
608
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,640
what anybody should be perceiving as possible.
609
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,640
In my opinion, the thought of even standing that way,
610
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,040
let alone, you know, going down the squat neck.
611
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:40,080
And I think, so the first person that actually tried that,
612
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,800
Yuri Belkin tried that at Big Dogs like three years ago.
613
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,640
He actually attempted to squat a thousand three
614
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:49,320
at like 225 pounds, scariest thing I've ever seen in the valley.
615
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,320
He stood it up, they moved the model hooks,
616
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:53,320
he put it back down.
617
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:56,880
He was like, no, listen, I wanna feel it.
618
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,720
I wanna feel it.
619
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,120
He was the lightest guy named about probably
620
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,440
well over a hundred pounds and he still plays top three
621
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:04,280
at that age.
622
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:05,920
Before DC, he was one of the,
623
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,680
a lot of people don't know the, like some of the OG,
624
00:31:09,680 --> 00:31:11,480
what I would consider ghosts of the sport.
625
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,480
Before HAC, there was Yuri as the unbeatable kind of the,
626
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:18,960
you know, if this guy signs up for me,
627
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,000
you already know if you're doing that,
628
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,400
you're playing for second place.
629
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,840
If HAC signs up for me, you can kind of go ahead
630
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:25,680
and chalk it up to we're playing for second place.
631
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,320
And I think, so that was the, going back to the showdown,
632
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,840
that was the first meet that probably actually,
633
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,640
I don't think that I've done that he was in,
634
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,680
but the 2016 Boss of Bosses,
635
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,560
getting to compete with Yuri personally and Dan Green,
636
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,840
who was the person, he was the reason that I got into the sport.
637
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,880
Dan was that guy that just, he kind of broke the mold of
638
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,040
at the time, power lifters being just thought of
639
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,080
as just really big burly guys that were,
640
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:58,280
they go in and do singles and doubles and they go above.
641
00:31:58,280 --> 00:31:59,720
That was kind of what it started to be.
642
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,400
He was kind of this guy that was his off season bodybuilder
643
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,080
build that was the strongest guy on the planet
644
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,360
in his weight class at the time.
645
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:07,480
If you'd given him six weeks,
646
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:08,800
he could have stepped on a bodybuild stage
647
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,800
and probably break the weight.
648
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,640
So getting to compete with him at his meet in 2016,
649
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,040
it was going back to what I was talking about
650
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,800
with one of the most insane lineups to this day,
651
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,480
Dan Green, Kevin Oak, Yuri Belkin, T Cummins,
652
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,760
back to back, to back to back in the same flight.
653
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,040
Larry Wills was at that meet,
654
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,360
Seth E. Cohen was at that meet, Malik Dursin,
655
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,160
Richard Hawthorne, Brandon Franklin,
656
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,840
Brandon Lilly, back that entire meet was just loaded with stuff.
657
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:35,800
All fine.
658
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,720
Yeah, so that, a lot of those names now,
659
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,360
you ask a lot of people that are in the sport
660
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:41,840
or just got to this one in the last three years,
661
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,360
they never heard of it.
662
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,840
Yeah, that's what I was about to say there.
663
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:46,720
That's funny, that's OGs now.
664
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,760
So I try to tell some of the younger lifters
665
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,920
at my gym and in some of that coach that,
666
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:53,600
hey, if you haven't been in the game
667
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,680
for more than the three years that you've been in,
668
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:58,760
you really truly don't know shit.
669
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,400
Soak up everything that you can
670
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,080
and honestly try to honor and appreciate
671
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:05,240
the people that came before you.
672
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:06,920
Like the methodology is now in progress
673
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,000
that people are making now.
674
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,080
It's at astronomical rates,
675
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,920
because like I'll say, there's just so much
676
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,440
readily available information out there.
677
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,320
But the people that did it before,
678
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,840
the people that are getting to the sport
679
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,320
in the last three years,
680
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,480
I think they don't get the credit and appreciation
681
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:22,920
that they deserve.
682
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,480
And that's why like people like Eric Lillibridge
683
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,520
who are coming kind of back out of retirement
684
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:28,880
has me so fired up.
685
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,880
I feel like the current generation needs
686
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,760
to see what somebody like Lillibridge
687
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:34,520
was capable of at his peak.
688
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,720
So seeing him doing reps at eight and 900
689
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,960
plus in the end, it gets me fired up.
690
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,080
And it's gonna be, his comeback's gonna be
691
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,360
really, really good.
692
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,080
It seems like it's already trending that way.
693
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,960
Just to kind of tag along with that,
694
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,160
like I think in any sport, there's always that,
695
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,000
oh, well this will never be surpassed.
696
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,840
This record will never be broken.
697
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,760
And we're just now seeing that in powerlifting.
698
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:58,160
One, because it was so niche then.
699
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:59,760
And now like you said,
700
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:00,800
the talent pool is bigger.
701
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,680
The talent pool is bigger because there's,
702
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,000
now there's money in it.
703
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,600
I'm sure there was less, there was probably
704
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,800
negative dollars in it when you started.
705
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,360
And then two, you've got social media
706
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,560
that you can fall back on.
707
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,240
If you're not making money actually lifting,
708
00:34:15,240 --> 00:34:17,440
you can get strong, compete and then fall back
709
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,120
on social media to make your money.
710
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,680
So even if you think about it's like,
711
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,360
something that's been around since
712
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,880
like the beginning of humans running,
713
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,960
it wasn't until 1954 with Roger Bannister,
714
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,160
they finally broke the four minute mile.
715
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,800
No one thought it could be done until after that.
716
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:37,800
So now we're finding, this is like our four minute mile.
717
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:39,760
In powerlifting, everyone's finally like,
718
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,760
oh, well, we got 18 year old squatting 700 at 165.
719
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,920
Rawl, it's kind of like, oh, well,
720
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,240
maybe there is no limit.
721
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:49,080
Right.
722
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:50,520
You know, when somebody gonna squat a grand
723
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,040
under 300 pounds or 275, Chad Benson.
724
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:54,880
Chad Benson, right?
725
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,200
So it's two with, you know, like you're saying,
726
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,840
you've got so much more information now
727
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,320
and this science back data and the best way to do things.
728
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,400
But you also have, since we're becoming,
729
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:06,560
it's becoming more mainstream,
730
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,680
especially with like TikTok and Instagram
731
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,960
and everybody posting their like heavy lifts.
732
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,400
Now you're having these like outliers,
733
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,600
these kids that, you know, are just,
734
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,800
Yeah, just freaks of nature.
735
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,360
You know, like the, I can't remember the guy's name,
736
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,200
but the guy competed at Worlds
737
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,160
and I believe it was 220 years in junior or a teenager.
738
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,280
He mustache.
739
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,320
Yeah, and he lifted in a storage shed.
740
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,240
Like he worked out, he had like a,
741
00:35:32,240 --> 00:35:35,640
he had a like a rack in a storage building
742
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,960
and that's all he did was like lift.
743
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,840
And then he, I think he pulled like over 700 pounds.
744
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,240
He's like 18 or minute to the new job.
745
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:44,480
Well, I know there was a junior,
746
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,480
probably around that weight class that came in that,
747
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,840
I thought he was less than 220,
748
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:53,720
but he came in and ended up benching a world record
749
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,240
out of nowhere and he like opened with 402
750
00:35:56,240 --> 00:36:00,440
and ended up benching like 470 as a junior in under 220.
751
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:01,520
He's a job.
752
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,080
And yeah, that was his crazy thing.
753
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,520
He took massive jumps.
754
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,400
No one expected him to do as much as he did.
755
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,600
And it was just like out of nowhere, this kid,
756
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,560
it didn't even look like he knew that he was about to do that.
757
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,520
It was like literally out of nowhere.
758
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,520
But you have like McVay who you mentioned,
759
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,080
McVay Stockwell, I mean, he's a 165
760
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,320
or if it's got a 1526 total at 19 years old.
761
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:25,840
That's one of the kids that trained with the Marys.
762
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:27,880
So Marys is back, yep.
763
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,160
Talking about like, oh, people will never think
764
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:31,000
this will be done.
765
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,720
If you like, look at the which side of power lift
766
00:36:33,720 --> 00:36:36,880
with the king, the equipped power lift and the Dave Hollis.
767
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,240
Tell us 31 or 33.
768
00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:43,240
Who would have ever thought that somebody totaled 30,000.
769
00:36:43,240 --> 00:36:46,240
I think he said over three grand, three times, three or four times.
770
00:36:46,240 --> 00:36:48,240
And then he does the one meter here,
771
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:52,240
he'll do the WPO and then he'll do a PR in that way.
772
00:36:53,240 --> 00:36:55,240
I think at that point you're going to have to wait
773
00:36:55,240 --> 00:36:57,240
for a whole year before you set a few arms.
774
00:36:59,240 --> 00:37:01,240
But we're going to see, we're going to see that wrong.
775
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:06,240
Eventually, if it's not, if it's not Jesus, it'll be someone else.
776
00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:11,240
I think realistically, he's people, I miss careers all said and done.
777
00:37:11,240 --> 00:37:12,240
I can see 28.
778
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,240
I'm going to see three.
779
00:37:14,240 --> 00:37:16,240
I'm not going to say three K will never happen because I've seen a lot of stuff.
780
00:37:16,240 --> 00:37:18,240
I can see him finishing his career.
781
00:37:18,240 --> 00:37:22,240
Do I think three K will happen at some point raw?
782
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:25,240
Probably, but I don't think it'll be by somebody who's like sub 450.
783
00:37:25,240 --> 00:37:26,240
For being honest about it.
784
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:31,240
But then at that point it's like, where do leverages start to no longer help you?
785
00:37:31,240 --> 00:37:34,240
As a, especially as a really big squatter.
786
00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:39,240
Where do leverages kind of start to get in the way of you, especially when it
787
00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:43,240
comes to hidden depth that it's already kind of hard to tell on your bigger
788
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:44,240
lifter anyway.
789
00:37:45,240 --> 00:37:48,240
At some point there's going to be kind of some diminishing of the time with that.
790
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:51,240
He's like, yeah, I know what you just say.
791
00:37:51,240 --> 00:37:53,240
Staying directly to Mars.
792
00:37:54,240 --> 00:37:58,240
Yeah, I think it seems like there is no limit to his potential even now,
793
00:37:58,240 --> 00:38:00,240
even though he's already squatted a thousand pounds raw.
794
00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:01,240
So I don't know.
795
00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:02,240
We'll see.
796
00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,240
I do agree.
797
00:38:03,240 --> 00:38:06,240
I think 2,800 is probably a safe bet to be honest.
798
00:38:06,240 --> 00:38:08,240
Like I would bet on that right now.
799
00:38:08,240 --> 00:38:12,240
I think we have to look at the way the current.
800
00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:14,240
I'm just, he's this way.
801
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:16,240
He's doing like three weeks a year and they're kind of all close together.
802
00:38:16,240 --> 00:38:18,240
We have the Sheffield and worlds and stuff like that.
803
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:22,240
So I would think it would have to be one of those years when he takes a full year off.
804
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:26,240
I don't know if he's going to be able to progress that lover while still peaking
805
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:30,240
and competing three times a year doing all this heavy travel over sensitive
806
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:33,240
duties and that's me, so stuff. I think he's capable.
807
00:38:33,240 --> 00:38:36,240
I just, I don't see it happening if you can beat that.
808
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:43,240
Especially as you reach your peak, like what you can attain as a human being.
809
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:47,240
Once you reach, once you get close to that level, it's like so hard to make progress.
810
00:38:47,240 --> 00:38:48,240
Yeah, for sure.
811
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:50,240
Like the very Steve Curve.
812
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:54,240
That's like, I mean, that's like most people, I think in the gym,
813
00:38:54,240 --> 00:38:57,240
when you're not someone that only competes, like that's your only thing.
814
00:38:57,240 --> 00:39:01,240
You go to the gym, you go home and recover, you go back to the gym, you recover.
815
00:39:01,240 --> 00:39:06,240
If you're not doing just that, you're pretty much always fighting for like two and a half, five kilo PRs.
816
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:11,240
Whenever you can get them, if it's seven months, one year, two months, whatever.
817
00:39:11,240 --> 00:39:15,240
When it's not your sole income or living, you kind of have to fight for that anyway.
818
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:20,240
So it would make sense once he gets to that point where things are slowing down a lot,
819
00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:22,240
maybe hops over to a different fed.
820
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:27,240
He was, I was, I had started my job at last year and after I graduated,
821
00:39:27,240 --> 00:39:31,240
all I was doing was bouncing four or five nights a week,
822
00:39:31,240 --> 00:39:33,240
sleeping all day long and going to the gym.
823
00:39:33,240 --> 00:39:37,240
That was the best for covering ever had.
824
00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,240
I always felt like shit when I was bouncing.
825
00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:45,240
I mean, but before eight to 10 hours every single.
826
00:39:45,240 --> 00:39:47,240
That's where you're getting that question.
827
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:48,240
I was even more.
828
00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:50,240
I mean, what was the normal to time?
829
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:52,240
I mean, that sounds like that.
830
00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:55,240
Well, for how I'd wake up, I'd eat lots of whole.
831
00:39:55,240 --> 00:39:56,240
All right.
832
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:59,240
Chicken, beef and then I would go train.
833
00:39:59,240 --> 00:40:02,240
I'd eat oatmeal, peanut butter and jelly form and train and then I.
834
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:03,240
Drink so decent.
835
00:40:03,240 --> 00:40:04,240
Yeah.
836
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:05,240
Good.
837
00:40:05,240 --> 00:40:06,240
That shows miserable.
838
00:40:06,240 --> 00:40:08,240
I would not get back to.
839
00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:10,240
She was like, I enjoyed it.
840
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:11,240
Yeah.
841
00:40:11,240 --> 00:40:12,240
The bouncing was not it.
842
00:40:12,240 --> 00:40:14,240
And then I, but I didn't get to sleep all day.
843
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:19,240
I got home, you know, around three, four o'clock fall asleep.
844
00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:22,240
Get up for class around nine a.m. the next day.
845
00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:25,240
So that shows miserable to me.
846
00:40:25,240 --> 00:40:27,240
I was just like, God, always let it in.
847
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:28,240
So that was the ball.
848
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:30,240
I figured when I didn't have to go have nine,
849
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:31,240
yeah, yeah, yeah.
850
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:34,240
So it's like till two o'clock in the afternoon,
851
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:38,240
wake up, go train for three, four, nine.
852
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:41,240
So how do you feel about people that like,
853
00:40:41,240 --> 00:40:44,240
especially young people that come into the sport and as soon as they
854
00:40:44,240 --> 00:40:46,240
start, they hop on shit.
855
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:47,240
Oh, God.
856
00:40:47,240 --> 00:40:49,240
I said, I've been around a long time.
857
00:40:49,240 --> 00:40:51,240
So I've seen, I've seen that happen.
858
00:40:51,240 --> 00:40:55,240
I mean, there's a lot of people that are that word in the sport and
859
00:40:55,240 --> 00:41:00,240
at the top for a very short amount of time that are not around anymore.
860
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,240
There's a lot of people who had come this,
861
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:05,240
this shelf life took about a two year peak where it was like,
862
00:41:05,240 --> 00:41:06,240
it was all about them.
863
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:08,240
There's absolutely crushing everything.
864
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:10,240
And you hear nothing about them anymore.
865
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:14,240
And I like to use those names as examples when some of these young
866
00:41:14,240 --> 00:41:15,240
people come in and say,
867
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:18,240
no, you shouldn't do this first and foremost.
868
00:41:18,240 --> 00:41:22,240
Then I always follow up with, but if you are going to go that route,
869
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:25,240
I'm not navigating forward, but find the credible source,
870
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:26,240
find, you know,
871
00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:29,240
somebody to guide you in the direction that you need to go.
872
00:41:29,240 --> 00:41:32,240
So if you're going to do something which is stupid,
873
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:33,240
be smart about it.
874
00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:34,240
That makes any sense whatsoever.
875
00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:35,240
Yeah.
876
00:41:35,240 --> 00:41:37,240
It's going to be stupid about something doing in the,
877
00:41:37,240 --> 00:41:40,240
in the way that's kind of beating least of the people that come in
878
00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:42,240
and then you're going to be like,
879
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:46,240
I'm not a fan of, I'm not an advocate for really anybody at any point,
880
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,240
you know,
881
00:41:47,240 --> 00:41:48,240
you do what you want to do.
882
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:51,240
I don't have a problem with it, but I'm not against it.
883
00:41:51,240 --> 00:41:52,240
I just,
884
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:57,240
I'm not a big fan of having people do that really at any age,
885
00:41:57,240 --> 00:41:59,240
but it's just, yeah.
886
00:41:59,240 --> 00:42:00,240
Yeah.
887
00:42:00,240 --> 00:42:03,240
It seems like a lot of the culture nowadays with younger people,
888
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:04,240
instant gratification.
889
00:42:04,240 --> 00:42:05,240
Yeah.
890
00:42:05,240 --> 00:42:08,240
Like people don't want to go to the next stage of life.
891
00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:13,240
It's just, it's about what am I going to be doing next year?
892
00:42:13,240 --> 00:42:16,240
I want to be hitting these numbers next year where we really need to be looking
893
00:42:16,240 --> 00:42:18,240
at if you're a new athlete,
894
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,240
what am I going to be doing in five to 10 years from now?
895
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:21,240
Cause that's where,
896
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:23,240
that's where the results are going to come,
897
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:27,240
not just hopping on a bunch of steroids and, you know,
898
00:42:27,240 --> 00:42:29,240
and I kind of make the analogy.
899
00:42:29,240 --> 00:42:30,240
It's like skydiving.
900
00:42:30,240 --> 00:42:34,240
You wouldn't just instantly sign up to skydive,
901
00:42:34,240 --> 00:42:38,240
go out there by yourself and jump out of an airplane.
902
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:41,240
You take a long time to kind of like learn about it,
903
00:42:41,240 --> 00:42:42,240
study it,
904
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:43,240
get some,
905
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,240
some sort of experience.
906
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:46,240
You know,
907
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:47,240
the first time you go to skydiving,
908
00:42:47,240 --> 00:42:48,240
you usually jump with somebody.
909
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:49,240
It's a, you know,
910
00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:50,240
the lower the risk.
911
00:42:50,240 --> 00:42:51,240
But yeah,
912
00:42:51,240 --> 00:42:52,240
I think,
913
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:55,240
I think a lot of it has to do with just the mindset of young people nowadays.
914
00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:56,240
And the,
915
00:42:56,240 --> 00:42:57,240
you know,
916
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:58,240
instant gratification,
917
00:42:58,240 --> 00:43:00,240
I want to be strong.
918
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:03,240
How can I get there the fastest and not just the,
919
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:06,240
and not as much of, you know,
920
00:43:06,240 --> 00:43:08,240
what's this going to do to my health?
921
00:43:08,240 --> 00:43:09,240
Yeah, or.
922
00:43:09,240 --> 00:43:10,240
Well, definitely not bad.
923
00:43:10,240 --> 00:43:11,240
Yeah.
924
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:17,240
I think Ron's probably the perfect example of patients going from 165 to 220 over 10 years.
925
00:43:17,240 --> 00:43:21,240
Takes a lot of patience and a lot of just willpower really.
926
00:43:21,240 --> 00:43:24,240
And I think we were talking about it earlier too with burnout.
927
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:27,240
The fastest way to burn out is to hop on gear as soon as you start.
928
00:43:27,240 --> 00:43:29,240
You talking about like,
929
00:43:29,240 --> 00:43:32,240
not knowing how to maximize your recovery,
930
00:43:32,240 --> 00:43:35,240
knowing how to really train and just hopping on gear.
931
00:43:35,240 --> 00:43:38,240
Probably the fastest way to the two year burnout.
932
00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:39,240
Yeah.
933
00:43:39,240 --> 00:43:41,240
You're not perfectly checking all the boxes.
934
00:43:41,240 --> 00:43:43,240
I saw the gym stress, sleep, nutrition,
935
00:43:43,240 --> 00:43:45,240
and then you're training being on point.
936
00:43:45,240 --> 00:43:48,240
You really and truly have no business putting any,
937
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:49,240
almost nobody.
938
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:51,240
And I'll backtrack a little bit from what I just said,
939
00:43:51,240 --> 00:43:55,240
not longer go about me not thinking it's cool for anybody to do that.
940
00:43:55,240 --> 00:43:56,240
I kind of take that back.
941
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,240
I'll say more or less when,
942
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:02,240
once you're kind of in your peak years and you've kind of hit more of a,
943
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:04,240
like a, I won't say a natural plateau,
944
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:06,240
but once you kind of get to those, you know,
945
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:08,240
maybe mid 30s, late 30s or whatnot,
946
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,240
at that point I'll really have a problem with it.
947
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:13,240
Cause then now your natural levels would kind of maybe starting to come down a little bit,
948
00:44:13,240 --> 00:44:17,240
but you haven't become a man at 21, 22.
949
00:44:17,240 --> 00:44:18,240
Right.
950
00:44:18,240 --> 00:44:20,240
You know, your natural production isn't at as high as shit.
951
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:25,240
So you're really and truly wasting the potential of the gear by starting it so soon.
952
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:29,240
You haven't reached a natural peak to add on to that at that point.
953
00:44:29,240 --> 00:44:31,240
As an 18, 19, 20 year old male,
954
00:44:31,240 --> 00:44:34,240
your nuts are going crazy.
955
00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:39,240
You're like injecting so much testosterone in your bloodstream at that age.
956
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:43,240
You just got to like take advantage and like relax the better term,
957
00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:48,240
milk all the gains you can from what you have while you're young.
958
00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:49,240
Cause it's, you know,
959
00:44:49,240 --> 00:44:52,240
It's better than any test you could inject.
960
00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:53,240
Yeah.
961
00:44:53,240 --> 00:44:57,240
It's going to be way better than anything you could inject from probably from 17,
962
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:02,240
16 to 25, 25 is when your brain fully develops anyways.
963
00:45:02,240 --> 00:45:04,240
Like if you're thinking about it before then,
964
00:45:04,240 --> 00:45:07,240
you probably should just stop thinking about it anyways.
965
00:45:07,240 --> 00:45:12,240
And then especially if you don't have like a family by then the risk is too high.
966
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:15,240
If you don't even have a family by 25 and you're single,
967
00:45:15,240 --> 00:45:17,240
it's like, it doesn't seem worth it to me.
968
00:45:17,240 --> 00:45:19,240
Maybe if you were already at the top,
969
00:45:19,240 --> 00:45:23,240
you're in the top 5% of lifters, maybe it would be something you'd think about
970
00:45:23,240 --> 00:45:27,240
before that age, but even still, it's just so risky long term.
971
00:45:27,240 --> 00:45:28,240
You're not really thinking about that,
972
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:33,240
but the powerlifting records are not really going to last that long.
973
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:37,240
It's not really worth it in that sense.
974
00:45:37,240 --> 00:45:40,240
The town halls banding down.
975
00:45:40,240 --> 00:45:45,240
It's going to be somebody you've never heard of from a shed or from a face.
976
00:45:45,240 --> 00:45:47,240
The next couple of years come out and just blast me.
977
00:45:47,240 --> 00:45:49,240
Yeah.
978
00:45:49,240 --> 00:45:53,240
Imagine you're taking all that gear and then some dude from the middle of Africa
979
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:56,240
that lifts in the rain on concrete blocks comes in and just fucking blows
980
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:58,240
the numbers out of the water.
981
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:00,240
What was the plan?
982
00:46:00,240 --> 00:46:03,240
If your training isn't going well, nothing.
983
00:46:03,240 --> 00:46:05,240
Which I think most people can relate to that.
984
00:46:05,240 --> 00:46:08,240
It's going to be even worse if you're taking something.
985
00:46:08,240 --> 00:46:12,240
And then it's probably some off-brand Chinese pharmaceutical on top of that.
986
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:16,240
Like, oh man, you got it in a KFC bag.
987
00:46:16,240 --> 00:46:19,240
Sunday, when your pickup date.
988
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:23,240
Sad to say all this, if you're going to do all of that stuff,
989
00:46:23,240 --> 00:46:25,240
get a blow-up.
990
00:46:25,240 --> 00:46:28,240
No, exactly how much of what you actually need.
991
00:46:28,240 --> 00:46:31,240
Don't just start it.
992
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:33,240
Just start it.
993
00:46:33,240 --> 00:46:36,240
And the issue is people not only do they start,
994
00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:38,240
but they start with the hardcore shit.
995
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:41,240
Why aren't you like, I don't want to say that there is a basic cycle,
996
00:46:41,240 --> 00:46:44,240
but there are basic starting points, basic introductory.
997
00:46:44,240 --> 00:46:46,240
Here's your blood work.
998
00:46:46,240 --> 00:46:48,240
Run the most, lift the most.
999
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:49,240
Yeah.
1000
00:46:49,240 --> 00:46:51,240
Hey, big run.
1001
00:46:51,240 --> 00:46:53,240
We know PR, part of time.
1002
00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:56,240
PR, PR, PR, and Rabdo.
1003
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:59,240
Hey, I mean, you got Rabdo, you weren't even taking anything.
1004
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:01,240
What's that say about you?
1005
00:47:01,240 --> 00:47:03,240
I was working too.
1006
00:47:03,240 --> 00:47:05,240
Yeah, 90 half salts.
1007
00:47:05,240 --> 00:47:08,240
Because they say under-train, under-recovering.
1008
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:12,240
That's probably a lot of people's mistakes when they're talking about
1009
00:47:12,240 --> 00:47:16,240
that's probably a lot of people's mistakes when powerlifting now is just under-recovering.
1010
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:20,240
A lot of people train, like, it really doesn't matter how you train as long as you
1011
00:47:20,240 --> 00:47:22,240
put in some type of work.
1012
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:25,240
But if you aren't recovering at all, then no point.
1013
00:47:25,240 --> 00:47:28,240
I was going to say, you know, just people's livestock days.
1014
00:47:28,240 --> 00:47:31,240
It's a lot different than it used to be.
1015
00:47:31,240 --> 00:47:34,240
You know, you have to, you know, working, most people are going to school,
1016
00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:38,240
most people are working, and you're lifting, trying to squeeze in,
1017
00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:43,240
most people get subpar sleep and head baths, myself included a lot of times.
1018
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:46,240
But, you got to get the basics right first.
1019
00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:47,240
Yeah.
1020
00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:48,240
You got to get sleep.
1021
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,240
Good sleep is very underrated.
1022
00:47:50,240 --> 00:47:52,240
Good nutrition.
1023
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:58,240
If you're a male powerlifter out there, you probably should go get checks for sleep apnea.
1024
00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:01,240
No matter what weight class you're in, no matter what size you are.
1025
00:48:01,240 --> 00:48:03,240
Sleep apnea.
1026
00:48:03,240 --> 00:48:06,240
I'm going to get in that sleep apnea in about two weeks.
1027
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:08,240
You're going to get a sleep apnea.
1028
00:48:08,240 --> 00:48:11,240
Your recovery would probably vastly improve if you just went and got checked for sleep apnea,
1029
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:15,240
because whether you need a sleep apnea or not, you might have some mild sleep apnea,
1030
00:48:15,240 --> 00:48:17,240
and that's probably why you're not recovering either.
1031
00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:21,240
So, you get to 75 plus, almost a year.
1032
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:23,240
Man, look at this.
1033
00:48:23,240 --> 00:48:28,240
Health information, nutrition advice, last podcast.
1034
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:31,240
We're good guys, you know.
1035
00:48:31,240 --> 00:48:33,240
We usually do this with every guest.
1036
00:48:33,240 --> 00:48:42,240
So, if you could sit down and hang out, lift, or just have a conversation with anyone in the fitness industry,
1037
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:51,240
powerlifting, bodybuilding, you know, data science area, anyone, who would it be and why.
1038
00:48:51,240 --> 00:48:53,240
Past or present.
1039
00:48:53,240 --> 00:48:55,240
You can do a couple if you need to.
1040
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:57,240
This is a narrative desk.
1041
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:59,240
I feel like you mentioned one already.
1042
00:48:59,240 --> 00:49:05,240
I was about to say that the obvious one that I worked with, Dan Green, was the obvious one.
1043
00:49:05,240 --> 00:49:11,240
But I actually hadn't had a chance to meet Ed Cohn in person.
1044
00:49:11,240 --> 00:49:15,240
Haven't had a chance to meet him or have conversations with him.
1045
00:49:15,240 --> 00:49:22,240
I'd say besides that, like, so I've had conversations with Stan Erfending, who is also really big wealth of knowledge.
1046
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:25,240
So, if I hadn't met him, he'd be near the top of this.
1047
00:49:25,240 --> 00:49:31,240
But I'd have to say probably Ed Cohn, just based on, you know, all the accolades that he racked up.
1048
00:49:31,240 --> 00:49:34,240
Granted, a lot of his stuff was considered in gear at the time.
1049
00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:37,240
The gear then is basically what Roy is now.
1050
00:49:37,240 --> 00:49:41,240
And hell, the knee sleeves now are probably better than some of the knee wraps that he used at the time.
1051
00:49:41,240 --> 00:49:42,240
But yeah, probably him.
1052
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:48,240
And the main thing I would want to ask him about is, because a lot of people now don't know that back then,
1053
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,240
there was a rising bar in higher lifting.
1054
00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:55,240
So there wasn't a flight system where it was like lowest lift to the heaviest lift.
1055
00:49:55,240 --> 00:50:02,240
And then back to the lowest, it was he followed himself pretty much at every meet that he did because he was by far the strongest guy to meet.
1056
00:50:02,240 --> 00:50:03,240
So he would take a dead lift.
1057
00:50:03,240 --> 00:50:09,240
And then like two minutes later, he had to follow himself because there's nobody else that was there to compete with him.
1058
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:11,240
And he was also, I think, pulling on all power bars.
1059
00:50:11,240 --> 00:50:13,240
That's wild.
1060
00:50:13,240 --> 00:50:25,240
But that's really the main thing is like, what was so special about your training that you were so well conditioned to total the weights that you totaled while following yourself pretty much at every meet that you did.
1061
00:50:25,240 --> 00:50:31,240
Like that thought process and that level of physicality, it just blows my mind.
1062
00:50:31,240 --> 00:50:34,240
Because I know if I take a heavy dead lift, I'm going to be 15 minutes, bro.
1063
00:50:34,240 --> 00:50:36,240
I can just tune it before anything.
1064
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:37,240
There's no way.
1065
00:50:37,240 --> 00:50:42,240
So yeah, that's definitely who I hope to at some point get a chance to chat with.
1066
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:44,240
So that was a good one.
1067
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:46,240
I hope the good one.
1068
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:48,240
Jim, a new one.
1069
00:50:48,240 --> 00:50:50,240
The OG go right there.
1070
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:51,240
He probably still go.
1071
00:50:51,240 --> 00:50:52,240
Yeah, I would say still go.
1072
00:50:52,240 --> 00:50:53,240
Currently.
1073
00:50:53,240 --> 00:50:55,240
To me, I still have some accuracy.
1074
00:50:55,240 --> 00:51:00,240
I'm going to get a lot of black from a lot of these current lifters, these fanboys of hack.
1075
00:51:00,240 --> 00:51:01,240
Love hack.
1076
00:51:01,240 --> 00:51:02,240
He's cool.
1077
00:51:02,240 --> 00:51:03,240
I know.
1078
00:51:03,240 --> 00:51:04,240
Cool guy.
1079
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:05,240
Yeah.
1080
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:15,240
I'm the people that were not really around to see the run and the Yuri was the unbeatable
1081
00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:16,240
guy to hack it.
1082
00:51:16,240 --> 00:51:17,240
Yeah, he was.
1083
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:18,240
Yeah.
1084
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:23,240
Yeah, probably the most technically proficient sumo demeter I've ever seen in office.
1085
00:51:23,240 --> 00:51:24,240
Yeah.
1086
00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:25,240
Open to 10.
1087
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:26,240
Yes.
1088
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:27,240
Open to 10.
1089
00:51:27,240 --> 00:51:29,240
Well, that's, it's on my Yuri.
1090
00:51:29,240 --> 00:51:30,240
It's on my Yuri.
1091
00:51:30,240 --> 00:51:33,240
But yeah, that was a that was a couple of times.
1092
00:51:33,240 --> 00:51:37,240
I've seen Blake Lihue lift at Worlds.
1093
00:51:37,240 --> 00:51:42,240
He, he did a training session in the back after Worlds and that was pretty incredible
1094
00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:43,240
to watch him.
1095
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:45,240
He's very technically efficient.
1096
00:51:45,240 --> 00:51:51,240
And if he's off, he was using a power or a Texas Delft bar and he had been training
1097
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:55,240
on Kabuki bar because all the big meets were using Kabuki and he was talking about how
1098
00:51:55,240 --> 00:51:56,240
different it is.
1099
00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:02,240
And especially at that level when you're pulling 900 at 181, it makes a massive difference.
1100
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:06,240
And if he's off by a millimeter, things are wrong.
1101
00:52:06,240 --> 00:52:07,740
His training is wild.
1102
00:52:07,740 --> 00:52:13,240
He was telling me he does literally singles and doubles and that's it.
1103
00:52:13,240 --> 00:52:16,240
No backoffs, no accessories.
1104
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:21,240
He just comes in and does a single double on the main lifts and he's out.
1105
00:52:21,240 --> 00:52:26,240
So I think is to be able to keep his weight down because he's he's a pretty stocky dude.
1106
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:27,240
And I think I'm not mistaken.
1107
00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:31,240
I think this upcoming week that he's doing maybe his last one at one point.
1108
00:52:31,240 --> 00:52:34,240
So I would assume it's probably kind of South Florida making.
1109
00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:35,240
Yeah.
1110
00:52:35,240 --> 00:52:36,240
He's doing accessories.
1111
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:39,240
It's probably that much stuff that keeps his keep his weight down.
1112
00:52:39,240 --> 00:52:41,240
What's he doing in America?
1113
00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:42,240
America bro.
1114
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:43,240
Yeah.
1115
00:52:43,240 --> 00:52:46,240
So everybody that's going to be correct me.
1116
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,240
I think this is like a really exciting time though.
1117
00:52:49,240 --> 00:52:52,240
And I reckon just like you said, this is our four breaking.
1118
00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:56,240
So breaking the four minute mile, not only with like numbers, but also just with like
1119
00:52:56,240 --> 00:53:03,240
production and you know, like now the American pro and all these big meets are kind of like
1120
00:53:03,240 --> 00:53:06,240
a specter for more respectful than they've ever been.
1121
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:07,240
Yeah.
1122
00:53:07,240 --> 00:53:10,240
It's more visible now than ever to watch streams.
1123
00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:13,240
It's just a production.
1124
00:53:13,240 --> 00:53:15,240
It means are getting better.
1125
00:53:15,240 --> 00:53:17,240
So agreed.
1126
00:53:17,240 --> 00:53:18,240
All right.
1127
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:24,240
Well, Ramo, we really appreciate you coming up and spending some time with today.
1128
00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:27,240
We did a little lift at the gym before this.
1129
00:53:27,240 --> 00:53:28,240
That was fun.
1130
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:33,240
It's really nice to talk with someone that has as much experience in the sport as you
1131
00:53:33,240 --> 00:53:35,240
and the knowledge that you have.
1132
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:37,240
So we really appreciate it.
1133
00:53:37,240 --> 00:53:38,240
Thanks a lot.
1134
00:53:38,240 --> 00:53:41,240
And that is your Friday night at the Vargo.
1135
00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:42,240
Thank you.
1136
00:53:42,240 --> 00:53:54,240
Thank you.
Powerlifter/ Strength Coach/Gym Owner
Strength & Conditioning Coach, Gym Co-owner, World Champion Powerlifter and International Competitor. Ronald has competed at the highest level for a decade now and brings all the juicy stories with that experience.
