#1 | Hosts (P3) - Mastering Remote Work and Healthy Living

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Getting back to being a bit more grounded and I feel like getting back to your autonomy that you might have lost in the last couple of years of madness.

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I think one of the biggest things for me is just like success is just not having as much stress. I went a week without chocolate and I was like winning and another Sunday. What does success really mean in 2024?

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For me. I feel like in 2024, success to me means something completely different and very, very personal. I feel like success in general in 2024 for most people, I feel like it's just getting getting back to being a bit more grounded and I feel like getting back some of your autonomy that you might have lost in the last couple of years of madness since you know post post covid, and I feel like the world is going slightly crazy at the minute with everything you look at in the media, which I try and avoid all costs. For the most part, I try and stay away from mainstream media because I feel like it's just nothing good can come from it.

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Uh, I feel like it just stresses me out it does I mean there's no.

0:00:56 - Speaker 1

No, I mean, I like to stay in touch with things that are going on, but equally, if I'm sitting there watching the news, what am I gaining from doing that, other than just being manically depressed how how the world has gone completely doodally?

completely whilst also not losing track of the fact that things are really bad elsewhere. There could be a hell of a lot. Things are really really bad in other parts of the world, um which we have to be very grateful that we're not involved with that. So I feel like, for the most part, I feel like for most people that are either listening and watching to this, they say what would your 24, 2024, going in 2025, look like? It would be to try and take back some of my autonomy and feel more myself and be more grounded and to sort of feel a general sense of happiness that I've been missing for the last couple of years, since everything's been going on love it I'm gonna be.

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I think everyone says it's so hard to because I don't have it at the moment, but I think success what does success look like to me in 2024 is just having a nice balance of things where it's like I don't feel as much stress financially. I know I can, you know, if I wanted to go on a holiday with my girlfriend or with my family. It's like okay, I can go on the holiday. It's having some freedom and I think one of the biggest things for me is just like success is just not having as much stress as other people. I see that as success. You know, whether that's a work situation where where you actually really enjoy that work situation, where for us, it's this podcast and my business, I really enjoy it.

It's, you know, say, if someone, if, for example, meg, as we spoke about before, if she was to get ill, like success to me is like knowing I can help her yeah and be in the position where I can help her and I think that that's what success has been is just having a nice balance of freedom and being able to look after people that you love. You know, success to me is not driving around in a lamborghini and, you know, in a big penthouse and having loads of girls around all the time like that to me, that's just. I literally couldn't care less yeah like.

Success is like looking after family and friends, um having a good balance of like freedom and work, and like doing something you're super passionate about and actually think it's going to make a difference.

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That's, that's what I think success is just to add on to what you just said there. I think the one thing I would say to anyone listening and watching this is try to have or create a direction. For me, people I speak to on a daily basis really struggle to see or see any sort of direction and they're in this revolving door and this pattern of you turn up to work as this ant, you leave, you go back to work again, you leave, you go back to work again and there's, you're on this paycheck. That just gets you by. You have enough money to sort of scrimp and save and do one night out a month just to get by type of thing, and you're having to get pot noodles rather than going out with your mates.

And I feel like people feel a bit directionless and they feel like they're just not really serving a purpose in life. They're just going around in sort of this circular motion. I feel like try and break that cycle, if you can, and try and sort of find something that you're really really unbelievably passionate about, like this, and try and monetize as best you can and, because you regret not doing that and you the chance and the opportunities are out there, you just try and go and find them completely yeah, the final question that we got in the q a was hi tom and joe, do you think the rise of remote work changing workplace dynamic?

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Let me repeat this Hi Tom and Joe, do you think the rise of remote work, changing workplace dynamics is for the better or worse? So do you think remote, that's such a tongue twister.

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Yeah, I've got the question Talking talk about remote work.

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Do you think it's for better or worse?

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uh, do I go first yeah, I do um. Okay, yeah sure you're not allowed to answer I do and I don't.

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I actually think it's quite 50 50. Um, I work awfully from home.

Uh, if I do work from home, or just nowhere near as an effect motivation I feel like when I'm in the office, when I'm locked in, when I've had that journey and when I can think about what I'm doing in my day you know, whether it's you guys coming down for the podcast stuff or on calls with clients for my own business it's just like I lock in differently when I'm actually in the office, when i'm'm at home. That's my place of relaxing, that's my place of, you know, mong out, put my computer away, hang out with family, hang out with friends, you know, go to the pub that evening when I associate that and work from home and I sit in my pajamas in the morning like I don't work properly. When I'm out and I'm dressed nice and I'm on the train and I'm like you know I've got this, yeah, dressed nice, wearing my shorts and t-shirt currently, but you know what I mean. When you're in there, I lock in differently and I think a lot of people and a lot of guys listening to this will feel the same. Yeah, and it's just, I really like that feeling of being locked in.

I walk out of the office, um, and I'm like you know what, like I've got a really good day's work done, but then it's also really nice mentally some days to be at home. It's like not having to do that every single day, whether it's I do about three times a week, three, four times a week, having that debt home to reset. You know, if you do need a bit more of a lion, say, if it's, you know, an 8, 30, 9 o'clock lion and you don't have to be up at 6 37 to go get a train, and that extra sleep is like invaluable and that helps my stress levels massively and you can relax a bit in the morning. So I think it is either. Or I think you're less productive, but I think mentally you know it. I find if you're doing like a hybrid where you're in the office some days and you're at home some days, that's a great combination yeah if you're purely remote and you're sitting at home all day.

If you're remote and you're like traveling and stuff, I think that's, I think it's awesome if it's really cool. But if you're just sitting at home all day and you're not socializing with people, you're not meeting new people, you're not being effective, you're sitting in your pajamas, you're waking up late, I think that's that can be quite damaging no, I agree.

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I think I'll be very interested to see the stats on the levels of mental health issues within companies, since they've sent their staff, because while things extortion expensive to keep offices open.

It's so, so important and fundamental to the community growth of businesses because people are more productive. They're in groups of people who are like-minded, bouncing ideas of each other. Uh, whilst I also understand, on the flip side of that is that the cost of traveling into work every day I mean, my sister travels into london, or she used to have done it every day. Now she's on that flexi thing where she does like two and three or whatever um, and the cost of trains, like peak hours into into London and back is unbelievable, like thousands and thousands of pounds a month. It's just, it's crazy. So on the flip side, I get why you would want to stay at home a bit more.

What you lose in that is the social side of it is huge and the mental health deterioration of just being in your pyjamas all day long, no sunlight. If you're disciplined and you get the chance to go to the gym, take the dogs out for a walk, you're sitting in the garden getting some sunshine, your lunch break eating good food, I feel like if you're out in the office, you have to do those things because you're commuting, you're getting sunlight, you're you're with your mates for the most part if you like, your work mates, or you can go and see your friends in the city if you're working in london. Um, again, I'm the same as you. I'm 50 50 if you have the chance to be able to do so. I would do both if I was working on my wife myself, like you. So I have the, I have the opportunity.

You see that that hybrid sort of flexi work thing where you can pick and choose. If you have an insanely busy Wednesday, take the Thursday off at home, providing you're still doing those things. So I'd say about creating a routine that works best for you. If you have kids and you can have child care at home, all that kind of stuff, it can work for some people. It doesn't work for others. Some people need to be in the office every day because that routine particularly if you're an extrovert.

If you're an extrovert, you need to be in the office more than to be some introvert to do, because you need that sort of interaction of being around people the whole time. I know plenty of them I also like um.

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If you do work from home, sometimes you know if you do have kids or whatever, and they're not. They're not school it's summer holidays, Like that's just great.

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Yeah, this time of year it's awesome.

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So I like the hybrid side of things, I think fully remote and like doing that sort of things can be dangerous yeah. And the whole routine. So I believe you're very disciplined. It can be very good, but I think there's nothing you do. In my opinion, that's when, in my opinion, everyone's most effective.

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If you disagree with Tom, let us know. By the way, If you disagree If you do work from home and you're like no, no, he's wrong. I hate working in the office. I work so much better from home. Let us know as well. I want thousands and thousands of people to be like nah this dude, delete the video, yeah.

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Cut, cut, cut, cut Right. The last talking on uh, we have 15 minutes is health and fitness. Okay, health and fitness in terms of mental fitness and physical fitness we talk about this all the time. This is joe's bread and butter yeah I'm hopefully getting a more into the, the bigger physical fitness thank you much.

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I've always paid rugby.

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I've always gym, but trying to do it more, trying to eat better as well, and eating is the first thing I want to touch on okay, in terms of physical health and also and also mental health as well. Yeah, fitness side of things, how important is it in what you eat, your diet?

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yeah, so, um, it's, it's integral. I thought it's it's more poignant for me. Actually, I spent the last maybe four to six weeks I mean siobhan off camera. We talk about food a lot, um, and big food, guys big big, big food guys.

Um, I am, I'm I'm quite fortunate that I can eat a lot of stuff and doesn't really affect me as much as some other people, and I'm aware of that, so not everyone can do what I do. In the last maybe four to six weeks, I've noticed a huge change in eating really clean, or cleaner, I should say, um, and the the difference is made in my energy levels is like astronomical. It's huge. So, like eating cleaner, um, not as much junk food, not like, no, like fizzy drink. I'm not, I'm a massive sweet tooth, like the biggest sweet tooth in the world.

And yet, for whatever reason, this shift that I've had in the last maybe six to eight weeks, maybe two months, of loads of water, loads of electrolytes, all my vitamins, minerals getting in there, and my sort of five a day, every day, loads of fruit, loads of electrolytes, all my vitamins, minerals getting in there, and my sort of five-a-day every day, loads of fruit, loads of veg, and I've seen huge changes, massive changes. Mate, I don't sleep very well anyway, but you know about my sleep, it's not great, but my sleep's got better, despite how hot it's been for the last couple of days. I'm literally dripping in sweat right now, mate, it's so hot in here.

You've got to do some serious editing on this mate, because I'm sweating buckets.

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We're going to have to edit the sweat off our foreheads.

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It's getting black and white or something, it's just to shade us out, but like nutritionally, it's really key. It's so, so key because brain fog, energy levels, sleep, like sex life, all this stuff can really really be improved by like good nutrition. I know you're big on that, but, yeah, improved by like good nutrition. I know you're big on that, um, but yeah, no, it's, it's, it's big. Like joke side, it's, it's huge. I feel like everyone should be really. I mean, again, it's expensive to eat, well, for the most part, but it doesn't have to be all the time. So as long as you're, you're on it, um, it's, it's huge. I'd say it's about 70 30, I'll say about 70.

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What foods are you eating for your sex life? Joe, it was like pineapple. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that what you're doing?

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no comment, um, but no, no, I feel like it's for the most people. It's about 60, 40, 70, 30 nutrition to physical exercise and that's not coming from someone who's like big on physical fitness is. Nutrition is so so important, so really overlooked when we spoke to charlotte fry.

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For those who don't know who charlotte fry, she's a adhd coach. Uh, we had her down, like a couple weeks ago. We just had a chat with her. Hopefully get to do a podcast with her at some point but charlotte fry. Uh, she was saying with people with adhd they need to eat three times the amount of more protein than the average person did not know that. So the last week and a half I think it's been a week and a half I've been eating pretty much triple the amount did you say why I?

feel a lot clearer, I feel a lot better mentally, I'm sleeping better. I really. It's really annoying. So I'm trying to remember the reason behind what you said it was. But if we have a one, I'll be the first question I asked yeah, yeah I was like okay, I'll try anyone with adhd.

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massive difference, let us know in the comments. Yeah, do let us know If you have ADHD.

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I also stopped snacking as much by having three times the amount more protein. You don't want to snack as much. Yeah, I was more full. Yeah, yeah, yeah and I stopped snacking as much. Everyone's going to be like you went a week without chocolate, like only a week. I went a Galaxy Monday morning. I was craving chocolate. I was like, oh, I need chocolate.

Tuesday I need chocolate and then it just died down again. It's just funny how you have something and it just becomes super addictive. I'm clearly quite addicted. I've got a massive sweet tooth as well, like you said, and it's just like I cut that down. I felt great. I had the chocolate and I know everyone's going to be like, oh, shut up, mate, but I had the chocolate and I generally felt like worse because I hadn't had it for a week and I was like it made me feel a bit more groggy and then I was just, I was craving it like constantly, Even when we were in the shop.

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No, no, I saw you walk, you just brush past the truck. Yeah, I just touched them all I was like, oh, what could have been?

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No, I just find that all really interesting when we do talk about the ADHD side of things. If we have her down in the end and she wants to, is that three times more protein made a massive difference.

0:14:07 - Speaker 1

Really, that's so interesting. We'll put Charlotte's social media. Do go check her out. She's fascinating, she's wicked.

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The next thing I want to talk about is mental fitness. Okay, if you had a couple people that you would say you know, these are the pinnacle, these are the definition of mental fitness, these are the people that are making a massive difference would you have anyone in mind? What a question that is mental fitness. There's no dramas.

0:14:37 - Speaker 1

No, no, no, it's it's actually a really good question.

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I feel like that like you see someone, you're like that well yeah, like they're coaching it or yeah, I feel like you're mentally like yeah, who's?

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who's the guy the name is completely gone from my head the guy that ran the marathons for rob burrow before he died kevin sinfield, so that that for me when I see yeah, when I see him, I think, I think what he's doing and the reasons why he's doing it and and what he's putting his body through, and yet he is humbly just saying I'm not amazing, rob. Rob is just incredible what he's had to go through and what his family had to go through and the money he's raised. That, for me, is something I always come back to and I'm like that is just the definition of someone who just doesn't know how to stop and doesn't know he's a tank he's a machine.

Um, you look at the olympics, some of the people in the olympics and and the the freaks of nature and that the athletes just the mad what they put their bodies through my, I joke with it. My toxic trait is thinking I can do some of that stuff.

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The break dancing I'm like I could do that. I could kayak, I could break dance, I could do that easy.

0:15:37 - Speaker 1

I could cut shapes get me on a pommel horse any day of the week, um, but yeah, no, I think those guys are just like a cut above um, they're just machines, absolute machines. So who?

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I think's wicked. Simone biles, the um american gymnast she's great story as well.

0:15:56 - Speaker 1

The mental.

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For those of you don't know, she had a mental health break. Uh, was it before the last olympics, or a couple years?

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around that time you didn't do the last olympics, I'm pretty sure but she dominated this year in the olympics um.

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It's just very impressive. She was very open about her mental health struggles. She had a break, she researched, came back top of her game and she absolutely dominates again. And I think, when I think of mental fitness as a whole, it's like someone who has the awareness, when they're already top of the sport, to be like you know what I'm not at my best.

I'm gonna take a quick break and I'm gonna come back and almost like that, dropping off slightly but coming back twice as high, yeah I just find stuff also very adhd which she's got.

0:16:36 - Speaker 1

Oh really, she's got, really. I think she's got like crippling adhd. Oh, she, yeah, yeah. She's got like a long list of things that she's really battled with again. It's really nice to see someone own that and be so transparent with it, because it's so inspiring for the next generation of young women and men who are watching that, being like oh, I've got adhd and it's been really holding me back and I can I, if you can do it second eye and that sprinter no alive no, allows.

Yeah, and he has, like, suffers really bad anxiety, depression. Yeah, super open about it. Yeah, big time, but we'll get him on. We'll get him on. Imagine if you're watching this, if you're watching this, but someone like him who goes and dominates.

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He got the gold in the 100 meters, on the 200 meters, not not 200 yeah, no, he missed that.

0:17:15 - Speaker 1

You know, he was actually. I think he was unwell, so I think he was struggling with it. Yeah, I think he had covid during it, which I don't know if he should be competing if he had covid.

0:17:22 - Speaker 2

But I thought he won both I don't think so.

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He lost out by to someone oh did he shivan double check that um. But yeah, I think he lost out. He didn't do the double, he got 100 but in the 200. I'm pretty certain disappointing yeah, useless. We won't get him on after all.

0:17:37 - Speaker 2

Um, like that's so impressive but what they're going through mentally and they're still able to perform at the top of the game, both of them like kudos. That that's in. In my opinion, they're the people who are like mentally it's incredibly tough incredibly resilient and people which I think the younger generation as a whole should massively look up to big time and in terms of mental fitness, in terms of two people wanted to point out, just from people.

Uh, we follow on instagram or people we see on instagram jamie clements with his breath, work, stuff, mental we had him on the podcast. We missed that episode. It was amazing, check it out. But jamie clements with his whole breath stuff Hero, mental Hero. We had him on the podcast. We missed that episode. It was amazing.

Go and check it out, but Jamie Clements with his whole breathwork side of things and helping people become mentally fitter through that, and also a girl I follow on Instagram called Maya Rachitora Hopefully I've said that right. She is incredible and she's blown up recently, but it's all about visualization, so she helps CEOs and people visualize their future and help them think through things better. That's interesting.

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Insane.

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It's insane. I remember following her when she had like 1,000 followers. She now has like half a million in the space of eight months. I think people really resonate with that stuff, and she's actually doing it to benefit people. And people are like, okay, I'll try visualization. They try and she's actually doing it. Yeah, benefit people. And people are like, okay, I'll try visualization, they try what she's doing and they see it works.

0:18:50 - Speaker 1

And yeah, that mental side of things is just insane I think the beauty about things like the breath work and visualization visualization is is once you learn the the skill behind it. And I think that sounds really weird to say skill of breathing, because we all breathe right and yet when we had jamie and he was, he says about we do 20, 25 000 breaths per day on average and yet none of us have to breathe properly to really help ourselves, just in terms of like. Then I'm catching myself out of breath because I'll not be able to regulate my breath properly. So he says these things are so easy and fundamentally free to do. Once you learn how to do it properly and the visualization piece, I'm sure it's like more complicated, but once you do that it becomes habitual and innate, whereas there's so much jargon and nonsense out there that we think shall we be taking 25, 30 tablets a day because my doctor told me to, because the thing online told me, start taking this stuff because it helps my sleep and this stuff that helps my acne, this stuff helps my hair grow back and there's so much stuff out there.

But I feel like once you get the people like Jamie, like the other lady you spoke about, then her name escapes me, maya um, those people just really idiot proof a lot of things and make it really accessible for all. And I think if we can make that accessible to our audiences, then then that's. That's great, because people just need to be not handheld, but they need to be given solid advice from people who genuinely care. And those are two prime examples of people who just want the best for people. Um, and to make it as idiot proof as possible, for I definitely need that because I get so confused thing. Stuff on the internet is just so confusing, right, you think that someone's trying to sell you something. Therefore, you don't quite know how to, whether to take or believe it or not, which is where we come in.

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We sort of bring in good guests and cool stories and I think people are learning so much during the day anyway and they've got their own stresses. The last thing they want to do is sit down and deep dive, learn something really complicated. They just want someone to be like this is this, this is this this is simple take it if you want. Yeah, not try to sell anything. And that's when I'm like perfect, like phew, that makes so much sense now and it helps it.

0:20:43 - Speaker 1

The science massively help and the science and the evidence of it helping people. We spent five minutes breathing with Jamie at the end there at the end of our hour with him, and I felt immediately better. I'm not just saying that to sort of blow smoke up his arse, I don't need to. He was so good, it was amazing. And having watched the episode back and I've sent that 20-minute episode there, 20 minutes is nothing. That's an episode of Game of Thrones. It's 20 minutes of waiting for your food to be ready. Those are times where making time in your routine to do those things can actually make a huge difference long-term Completely agree.

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Awesome brother.

0:21:18 - Speaker 1

Pleasure Welcome back.

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Welcome back season two to all the guys or hopefully, women out there listening on behalf of friends, partners, whoever it is. If you have any questions, if you want us to talk about any topics, please do leave them down below. We read everything and we will reply to everything as well. Thank you for all the support and we can't wait to release all our wicked episodes coming out for season two, all about men's mental health under our three pillars relationships, finances and fitness. We'll see you on the next episode.