China, AI, and the New Global Order

In this episode Erik Torenberg and Samo Burja discuss the current state and future state of America, China, Russia, Ukraine, energy, the US dollar, AI, Peter Zeihan, Balaji Srinivasan, and more. This episode was recorded in 2023 for the Upstream podcast - before the two started Live Players. Head to https://brave.com/brave-ads/ and mention “MoZ” when signing up for a 25% discount on your first campaign.

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LINKS:

Samo’s Bismarck Brief: https://brief.bismarckanalysis.com/

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Timestamps:

(00:00) Episode preview

(00:58) Who’s right: Balaji, Zeihan, or Olson?

(05:00) Why China’s prospects aren’t as bad as Zeihan thinks

(07:28) What have we learned one year out after Ukraine?

(11:15) Future of The U.S. dollar

(13:11) Sponsor: Turpentine | Brave

(13:10) Balaji’s Bet

(14:57) Future of America

(19:20) Why Brazil hasn’t panned out

(21:00) Is AI communist and crypto libertarian

(26:53) Evolution of elites

(31:04) Comparing Elon and SBF

(33:29) Economics of automation and AI

(37:23) How intellectual culture has changed

(45:07) America and China converging

(47:27) Startup cities vs incumbents

(50:14) Bismarck Analysis

(52:56) Samo’s upcoming research interests

(55:04) Wrap