Eva Sheie (00:03):
The purpose of this podcast is simple. We want you to get to know your doctor before meeting them in person because you're making a life-changing decision. And time is scarce. The more you can learn about who your doctor is before you meet them, the better that first meeting will be. There's no substitute for an in-person appointment, but we hope this comes close. I'm your host, Eva Shay, and you're listening to Meet the Doctor. Welcome to Meet the Doctor. My guest today is Andrew Cohen. He's a facial plastic surgeon.

Dr. Cohen (00:37):
No, I'm a board certified plastic surgeon.

Eva Sheie (00:39):
An ordinary plastic surgeon.

Dr. Cohen (00:42):
You know, the facial guys like to call us a general plastic surgeon and it's, it's really not a good, there's nothing general about us. I'm a board certified plastic and reconstructive surgeon, so I operate head to toe.

Eva Sheie (00:55):
You can do it all.

Dr. Cohen (00:57):
Yep.

Eva Sheie (00:58):
Do you specialize?

Dr. Cohen (01:00):
I do. I found myself specializing in mostly breasts and body work. That's the majority what I do. I do a lot of faces now as I've been getting older and more gray in my hair. I'm actually doing more faces than eyes, but I do a ton of breast reductions, uh, for teenagers, for older people. It's been really, my niche has really mommy makeovers and breast reductions is what I would tell you. I do about 70% body work and 30% face.

Eva Sheie (01:22):
Excellent. And yeah. So today you're in Encino. Your practice is there now, but you used to be in Beverly Hills.

Dr. Cohen (01:28):
I used to be in Beverly Hills. It was 18 years of being in this city. I enjoyed it and I enjoyed more leaving it. I like being in a little community called Encino. It's about 30 minutes outside of the city and it's near my house. I like being very close to my house, either. I don't like to drive on the traffic. I don't like freeways. I don't like traffic. I mean, you should have seen the freeway today. I mean, everyone's on their phone.

Eva Sheie (01:53):
I don't drive in California cuz it's too scary. 

Dr. Cohen (01:56):
Yhey're all on their phone and you know, my youngest son is about ready to get his uh, permit and I, I, I feel for him it's very scary driving on freeways. So, not to digress, but I moved my office four year ago to Encino. It is about three minutes from my house. It's just more convenient. I'm able to offer a bigger office, an operating room. I built all my own quad, a certified operating room now here in Encino. So for me it really boosted my practice and my ability to provide a better experience for our patients. I wanted to have my own operating room. I've always wanted that. I just didn't have the space to do that in Beverly Hills and here I had the space to do it and a great staff to do it. So I'm very, very happy with that move I did four years ago.

Eva Sheie (02:39):
Was there anything that surprised you about moving down the freeway that way?

Dr. Cohen (02:44):
What surprised me? You mean moving to Encino? I think how friendly everyone was in the medical building. I'm the only plastic surgeon in my building, which is very rare to say in Los Angeles there's at least 10 plastic surgeons in every building on the other side of the hill. I'm the only plastic surgeon in this medical building. So that surprised me that I was very happy when I found it, that I was the only one. But it surprised me how friendly the pediatrician, the heart doctor, the, the whole team and the all the other doctors, the pharmacists. We have a pharmacy downstairs, how friendly everyone is and outgoing and welcoming. So that surprised me cuz LA can be a tough place.

Eva Sheie (03:25):
Moving after you said 18 years.

Dr. Cohen (03:27):
Yeah.

Eva Sheie (03:28):
That is an adjustment. And I wonder how do people find you now that you're down there?

Dr. Cohen (03:33):
Oh, they always found me. I was always operating on this side of town. There was an operating room I was using on this side of town. So there's a lot of people that, you know, people from Lancaster, people from Thousand Oaks, Woodland Hills, all the outlying cities. They knew I would al also operate in Encino as well. I had an, or in Encino I was using and Beverly Hills. So I, I've been on this side of town a little bit my whole career, but mostly Beverly Hills, but people find me word of mouth. But a lot of Google, a lot of Instagram these days. TikTok and Instagram are pretty, uh, pretty common. But people find me through word of mouth or other doctors. I really proud of myself on trying to meet the internal medicine doctors, the pediatricians. I provide a service at the local urgent care here in Encino, or I should say it's Tarzana called PM Pediatrics. And they just cater to children. And so I get called to sew up kids all the time and that's a really good way that I've given back to the community and met the parents and the moms who want my makeovers through sewing up their kids. So, you know, people know me and I get around.

Eva Sheie (04:36):
I think there's a nice element of staying grounded when you see people other than cosmetic patients all the time too.

Dr. Cohen (04:44):
For sure.

Eva Sheie (04:46):
Yeah. Pediatric plastic surgery, you have scared kids and scared moms and scared dads and

Dr. Cohen (04:51):
Right. And so we can make the experience a really good one for them. And that's kind of my goal. I've sewed up so many children in my career that now I'm so used to it that I, I challenge myself to see can I sew up this child without them crying? So I actually have some tricks that I use. Ooh. And I'm very successful and that's kinda like what I do cuz I, I do it so much now. I say, okay Andrew, you're gonna soap up the ski and he or she is not gonna even peep not gonna cry. They're gonna do great. And so I have some techniques I do that's been, uh, that I've used over the years and it, it works. I can usually do it.

Eva Sheie (05:28):
I'm gonna need you to share those now because I took my daughter to get a splinter taken out of her foot on Sunday morning and she was like a raccoon in a bag. Yeah. So what is your secret? How do you get them to

Dr. Cohen (05:41):
The ER will put tack on the laceration before I get there. They'll put numbing stuff on for about 20 minutes before I get there. Then I get there, it's already been numbed up. We put 'em in a papoose so the little ones are put into a papoose so they can't be a little raccoon in a bag cuz they're, we line down in apa which just straps 'em down.  And then I squirt my local into the laceration. I squirt squirt squirt squirt squirt while I'm talking to the mom and dad and saying this is numbing them up. So before I go in with anything, I'm locally injecting the laceration with local so they don't feel it. But then you put bicarb in the local cuz it makes it less acidic and won't sting. So bicarb and then you inject it very slowly, slow injection, bicarb, infiltrate the wound with the um, local. And then it's already pre-up, pre numbed for me cuz he put the numbing cream on before I got there. So those four things will usually do it, but sometimes they still cry cause they don't want to be in a papoose. Right. But as long as my needle doesn't hurt, I do everything I can so that needle doesn't cause 'em to cry that I'm good and then the nurse is holding the head for me.

Eva Sheie (06:45):
Sure. What about dad jokes? You got those?

Dr. Cohen (06:48):
Well, I have a lot of dad jokes, but I, I have to listen to them on Spotify. I have a dad joke. Uh, here I'll pull it up for you. This is the, this is the dad joke podcast. Did you know there was a dad joke podcast?

Eva Sheie (07:02):
No. <laugh>?

Dr. Cohen (07:03):
No, no. Yeah there is uh, there's a dad joke podcast I won't play it but it's on Spotify anyway, I was gonna pull it up to show you, but 

Eva Sheie (07:12):
Yeah, we'll link that Spotify on the show notes <laugh> so everybody can find it.

Dr. Cohen (07:15):
Oh yeah. It's called Daily Dad Jokes. And so absolutely. I I I don't use that at work. I actually use that in the operating room more than going to the urgent care song at the kid. The, you know, it's mostly in the operating room.

Eva Sheie (07:29):
So your team gets, gets the benefit of your dad jokes.

Dr. Cohen (07:32):
Oh yeah, they do. If it's on a good day. They do. Yeah.

Eva Sheie (07:35):
Do you remember any of them?

Dr. Cohen (07:37):
I don't. And now you put me on the spot. That's the hardest thing

Eva Sheie (07:41):
I know.

Dr. Cohen (07:42):
To remember a joke. Oh my god. I'll think of it as we hang up, but I'll try to think as we go.

Eva Sheie (07:48):
Okay. Yeah. All we have over here is why did the chicken cross the road jokes with nonsensical answers.

Dr. Cohen (07:53):
Oh no, I see. I, I used to have 'em all now I can't think of one <laugh>.

Eva Sheie (08:00):
Okay.

Dr. Cohen (08:01):
Stage fright,

Eva Sheie (08:02):
They'll come back to you. They're always right there. Plastic surgery in California is a, is a little bit of its own animal I think. Uh, it's easy to get caught up in, you know, fads and trends, especially from the media, also new technology. Is there anything that you can think of would help us focus on what's important if we're thinking about doing a mommy makeover or a tummy tuck or any kind of body surgery like that?

Dr. Cohen (08:32):
Before I answer that, can I ask you another question?

Eva Sheie (08:35):
Sure.

Dr. Cohen (08:37):
Do trees poop?

Eva Sheie (08:39):
I'm afraid to say yes,

Dr. Cohen (08:42):
Of course they do. Why else do they call it a number two pencil <laugh>?

Eva Sheie (08:45):
Oh no,

Dr. Cohen (08:49):
I remembered it.

Eva Sheie (08:50):
Oh that's really bad.

Dr. Cohen (08:52):
It took me a second. Come on. That's a good dad joke.

Eva Sheie (08:54):
I know. I'm gonna immediately tell it when we're done, to the child in the other room.

Dr. Cohen (08:58):
Jamie, my office manager's kids love that one. They're little and they love that chip <laugh>. That's like their favorite one. The number two pencil. Okay, so going back to your question, sorry.

Eva Sheie (09:08):
Yeah. How do we, if we're considering a mommy makeover or tummy tuck or something like that, keep focused on what's important and not get distracted by trends or media or Instagram or unrealistic ideas on Instagram.

Dr. Cohen (09:25):
Are you saying how do we as patients, or how do we?

Eva Sheie (09:28):
Yeah, as patients.

Dr. Cohen (09:30):
Oh that's hard because the patients are always looking at these snatch pictures and thinking that we can actually do that. And sometimes you can't. You can't always make a six pack with a tummy tuck. You can't always do it without incisions. And so when they come and visit me, I kind of give them the scoop that, hey man, this is real surgery. You're gonna have an incision hip to hit. Uh, why can't I have a mini tummy tuck doc instead of a full well do you wanna be mini happy or full happy? That's not to say I haven't done mini tummy tuck cause I have actually quite recently and been very successful. But for the most part, if you want all the skin removed, you wanna be full happy, not mini happy. So we're gonna do a full tummy tuck. How do you not get distracted was your question or focus on the most important things.

(10:10)
That's really hard to answer for you cuz everyone is distracted by that iPhone as well as myself. So it's hard to put it down and not be looking at all the pictures and the pictures and the doctors and all that. And I guess what I would tell you is that's another reason why I focus on tricks and pearls to heal preoperatively and postoperatively. And I try to give people hints on my Instagram and TikTok page is to help you heal better. And I think that that resonates with patients. That we're not just trying to show off pictures of big breasts or tight butts or big butts we're, I'm trying to focus on how are you going to heal better, faster and have a safe surgery. And that's really our goal. Our goal is safe surgeries and getting your core reconstructed if it's a mommy makeover, a tummy tuck, but also living a healthier life. And I think that patients, it really resonates with patients and I think that that's important that you want to go to a surgeon who's really not just out to show off your picture on Instagram or TikTok, but interested in getting your health back and doing healthy safe surgery.

Eva Sheie (11:22):
You were practicing before Instagram, so do you find that the pictures that people bring in help your conversations or do they get in the way?

Dr. Cohen (11:32):
I love pictures. Bring pictures. It does not get in the way. I enjoy getting in a patient's head because if you do as many breast reduction as as I do, you've gotta get them to the right size. Whether it's an augmentation or reduction, both are quite difficult in terms of getting into that woman or girl's head. What size would you like to be? And sometimes they'll bring pictures where they're covered with a bathing suit or covered with clothes and they wanna look like this. And I'm like, well I, you know, she's wearing clothes, I don't know what that is. Why are you showing me? And by the way, you've had four children, why you show me woman who's 20 who's never had children before, do you really think that I can make you look like that you have stretch marks or you've lost 50 pounds, you have stretch marks, your nipples are down here, you're showing me a 19 year old with saline implants who's never had children before. You're not gonna look like that. So actually pictures are good because if they think they can look like that, me as a surgeon have to bring them back to reality and say, listen, I can't make you look like that, but here's what I can make you look like. Look at these pictures on my iPad or look here at my gallery. And I think reality is really important. So while the Instagram and TikTok are fun, I think my job is also to bring people back to reality.

Eva Sheie (12:50):
Where's a good place to look for photos that would look like ourselves, you know, without,

Dr. Cohen (12:56):
I think the galleries, I mean if you look at a doctor's gallery, that's where he or she is putting their best work out in my opinion. Now it depends if that doctor is really spending time to put their nice pictures on there, like I do, I really spend a ton of time sending my pictures to my website people to put really nice pictures on there. And they're close up and they're big and you can see and I try to put the age, the height, the weight and what implant I did or how much grams I removed. I don't always do it, but I've been trying to be better about that. But the pictures are very clear and concise and I think that as a patient I would, I would wanna see a gallery of befores and afters and if the afters have clothes on like a bikini and big, I mean really, I mean this is not, the gallery should be a plastic surgical picture. You know, how we take photos before and after and be consistent and concise. And if they're covered with clothes, that's ridiculous. In terms of when you're seeing the breasts or a tummy tuck.

Eva Sheie (14:01):
I don't have a great analogy for this. I sort of feel like it's the broken windows theory of plastic surgery photos that someone's gallery, you know, we as consumers have very little to actually judge your skill by. And it's so the, not just the photos themselves, but the quality and the organization of the photos Yes. Tells you so, so much about a, a practice.

Dr. Cohen (14:26):
Correct.

Eva Sheie (14:26):
And uh, years ago I remember my hairdresser who I saw for like a decade coming to me, people ask me questions all the time cuz I've just been around and she wanted to go to Costa Rica for a facelift. And I said, how many photos do they have? And she looked and she said seven. Okay, call 'em and ask them, do you have more? And see what they say. And they were, they were defensive and I was like, this all the information you need.

Dr. Cohen (14:53):
Right.

Eva Sheie (14:53):
If they don't have more, I mean it's possible that they just didn't get around to putting them on the website.

Dr. Cohen (14:58):
It is possible.

Eva Sheie (14:59):
Cuz people are busy. Yeah. But if they don't have any proof, then you should probably take that as a signal.

Dr. Cohen (15:07):
I agree. I agree.

Eva Sheie (15:09):
And you're, you're gall galleries are exceptional and they're easy to look at, easy to navigate. So yeah, we just all wanna find someone who looks kind of like us.

Dr. Cohen (15:21):
Yeah.

Eva Sheie (15:22):
To see where we might be able to go.

Dr. Cohen (15:24):
Correct.

Eva Sheie (15:26):
Is there any technology that you're excited about in the future? Or anything that's new and coming on the horizon?

Dr. Cohen (15:33):
What's crazy is there's always new technology and I've started, I'm very fortunate that I have a room here now to have a nurse to help me with all the lasers and other devices. So my latest device is, and by the way, I don't get sometimes, I'll be honest with you, I don't get the latest and greatest. I kind of wait to see if they work <laugh> <laugh>. So I am not someone that has Msculpt, I'm not someone that has CoolSculpt. I'm not someone that ha and they all come and let me use it and all this. I don't even have J plasma. We can sit and talk about technologies. Let's talk about what I do have. I have microneedling a skin pen. Did I just get it? Yes. I just got it sounds crazy but it works. It works for scars. It's microneedling. It's not a little, it's a little handheld device.

(16:23)
Alana, my nurse does it. It works, it helps. Blends your scar and puts, holds in the scar. And is is it new? No, it's been out for a while but it works. Some of the new, you know, I want to use technology that works. I don't want the latest and greatest. You know, these are very expensive machines so I need to know they work. So microneedling and laser genesis, well let me go in order. The Genius device is a radio frequency microneedling. It's called the Genius from Electronic. That is the latest device I have. You don't call it a laser, it's a device because it's radio frequency. Microneedling helps tighten the skin, gives you a little lift, you gotta do three treatments. Alana does it for us. So I do like that machine. We did get it a little while ago and I really like it.

(17:06)
Patients have loved it. So that's the Genius. And I told you about microneedling, just a scar because I make so many scars, I needed something better to get the scar blended after our breast reduction or tummy tucks. We wanna be able to offer people a little more umph, uh, to their result rather than, oh give it a year, it'll heal. The third one I should mention is the Cutera laser genesis. And that one Alana's been using a lot. It's puts a little heat into the skin, it helps acne scarring, decreases the pores and increases the collagen and things as well. But it's heat. So laser genesis and with that cutera laser device, there's another handpiece that's an I P L. So I have an I P L handpiece, a laser genesis to help the acne, pores and help the skin overall that people come in once a month for, the genius is a skin tightening, radio frequency microneedling.

(17:58)
And then just for scars, the skin pen. So we got four different things now, which sounds crazy, but Alana's in that room, busy all the time taking care of patients. There are newer technologies. Ultrasound right now is trying to make a comeback. I mean if you wanna know about this, I don't have them, but I'm happy to talk about it if you wish. Ultrasound's trying to make a comeback. There's a company that has a newer ultrasound to try to tighten the skin. It puts parallel beams under the skin. They just came and talked to us last week at the LA Society, a plastic surgeons meeting. I was at, I have a friend in Manhattan that's using another one that puts, I dunno if I'm allowed to say the name of these lasers, but, oh it's not a laser, it's device. It puts bigger holes into the skin unless you heal and tightens up the skin. 

Eva Sheie (18:45):
The Ellacor?

Dr. Cohen (18:45):
The Ellacor, right. So Ellacor is out. That's new. I love hearing about that technology to be honest with you. But I can't buy every single machine. I'm just going to buy what works for us right now.

Eva Sheie (18:57):
What do you like to do to unwind when you're not at work?

Dr. Cohen (19:01):
I work out a lot. I've been trying to increase my workouts to once a day rather than three to four times a week trying to do it, you know, every day I like to run. So, you know, I'm trying to motivate myself to do another half marathon this year. That's why I sigh cuz I'm still trying to motivate myself. I went eight miles this weekend, but half marathon. I've done usually do a half marathon at least once a year. And there's one coming up in July. I'm trying to get my brain on it to see if I'm gonna do it or not. So I like to run. I like to exercise. I work workout with a trainer, weighs twice a week. I like to Peloton. I like the Peloton bike and tread. I'm kind of spoiled. I have both. I know that sounds crazy, but I do.

Eva Sheie (19:45):
I didn't even know they made a tread.

Dr. Cohen (19:47):
They do. It's really fun. I make myself go on that sometimes. It's fun. What else do I like? I like to read. If I can put my damn iPhone down, I like to read. Um, I like to go to the beach and in the summer I like to paddleboard. I think paddleboarding is awesome. I've tried surfing. I'm really not that great. I can't even stand, it's so hard to stand on that surfboard. But I, I had a coach that was trying to take me out, but I'm not, I can't call myself a surfer. I call myself an aspiring surfer <laugh>. So, uh, on the summer I'll go over to Malibu and I have a guy that'll bring a paddleboard out and we go out for about an hour. So paddleboarding is so much fun and hard, you know, in the ocean. It's really tough.

Eva Sheie (20:26):
I think it's just so bold that you put yourself surfing on your website, on your about page.

Dr. Cohen (20:33):
Well it's aspiring. I can't really claim it because it is. I've tried. It's just, it's hard to stand on the things.

Eva Sheie (20:40):
But do people comment about those photos a lot when they meet you? 

Dr. Cohen (20:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They do. They do. And it's cool. But I, I just tried it when I was 50. I was like a few years ago, like, I gotta take a lesson and it was fun. I did one lesson in, in Hawaii with my son Gabriel. I have three sons and uh, Gabe and I did it in, in Hawaii a couple years ago. And it was his first lesson and on his first lesson, like he and I were actually standing at the same time. So not many people can say they've rode a wave with their son. I mean, that's pretty cool. And that was a good day. And he's now at Santa Bar, see Santa Barbara. So he surfs a lot. So it was a good, it was a good day.

Eva Sheie (21:20):
Uh, are they the banana slugs?

Dr. Cohen (21:23):
No, I think that that's Santa Cruz. 

Eva Sheie (21:26):
Oh yeah, you're right.

Dr. Cohen (21:26):
I think they're the gauchos <laugh>.

Eva Sheie (21:29):
Okay. There's two other interesting things on your website that I wanna call out. Uh, one is that you trained in Atlanta and that particular training is really well known as one of the better places to train, isn't it?

Dr. Cohen (21:44):
It is. I mean, Emory is a foremost place in, uh, plastic surgery lore and a lot of things came out of Emory. I can't claim to have been at Emory. However, I was at Paces Plastic Surgery, which was a, which is now affiliated with Emory at the time. You know, I was fortunate to go and go to their meetings and gave them a talk, just like one talk. I talked to the residents, but it was more of a private practice in Buckhead for well-known plastic surgeons, I should say three well-known plastic surgeons. And one oculoplastic surgeon was in charge of our fellowship, which isn't there anymore. But at the time it was highly esteemed fellowship and one that everyone was, was wanting to go to Paces Plastic Surgery with Rod Hester and Foad Nahai. Sonny McCord was the oculoplastic surgeon. And Mark Codner who, uh, was the other plastic surgeon.

Eva Sheie (22:37):
I mean that's sort of like a hall of fame, right?

Dr. Cohen (22:39):
It was awesome. I mean it was six months. It was hardcore, A lot of facelifts every day. I mean the, every Wednesday where we were fixing eye shapes, cheek lifts, fixing eye shapes to send him a cord and he'd gimme a lecture once a week. And a lot of facelifts. I would follow the facelift patients. There's at least two or three face going on every day. It was fabulous. Great, great experience. They put me up at a condo like across the street so I can, you know, finish the day around five or five 30, go walk over, have dinner with my wife and had a six month old child at the time. And then I would come walk over back and check on all the facelift patients in the recovery center in their office. They would recover right there.

Eva Sheie (23:16):
Oh wow.

Dr. Cohen (23:17):
So it was a blast.

Eva Sheie (23:18):
And that was your evening job was to go back and make sure they were okay?

Dr. Cohen (23:21):
Yep. By 7:30 or eight I had to go back and check all the facelift patients, check the drains, make sure there's not a hematoma.

Eva Sheie (23:28):
Were they staying overnight? 

Dr. Cohen (23:30):
Yeah. They stayed overnight with nurses. They had, uh, surgical suites, like a hotel suite in their, in their office and they had a nurse watching them.

Eva Sheie (23:37):
Don't see that every day.

Dr. Cohen (23:39):
I know. I wish we could do it here in LA but you can't. I wish.

Eva Sheie (23:42):
The other thing that I, um, that I see here is that you've been to Argentina for missionary work.

Dr. Cohen (23:49):
Yeah, I mean I did missionary work as a resident Loma Linda. I went to Loma Linda for my three years of general, three years of plastic surgery from 94 to 2000. And part of the residency training, and I think it is even till this day, used to do a mission trip. So I went with my colleagues and one of our attendings to Argentina. We did a mission trip at St. Martin in Argentina, university De La Plata. We did a bunch of surgeries and, and I wish, I can tell you I've kept up on doing mission trips, but unfortunately Eva, I I haven't and that, that is one place in my career I need to pick up on. I have a really good friend in Redlands that does a lot of missionary work in India and I think he's going to Croatia, uh, may, that might be a trip that may not be a mission trip <laugh>, but he is going to India to do a mission trip and other places. So I'm probably gonna start going with him. It's just that with the kids I want to be around. I don't want to be away when kids are small.

Eva Sheie (24:44):
Will you ever do another one maybe?

Dr. Cohen (24:46):
For sure. Yeah. I wanna go with my friend Dr. Punjab using Redlands and I'm gonna go with a friend and do that for sure. I think it's an important part of plastic surgery. You gotta give back. That's important part of what we all do. And that's what at Loma Linda, that's what they instilled us. So I definitely have to start doing some mission trips. So, we'll, we'll do it again.

Eva Sheie (25:04):
Sounds great. If someone's listening today and and they wanna learn more about you, where would you send them to do that?

Dr. Cohen (25:13):
I would probably send them to the website. It's just Andrew Cohen md or Instagram is Andrew Cohen md. Either the Instagram, either Instagram or the website. And TikTok is the same thing. It's Andrew Cohen, md. We made it easy.

Eva Sheie (25:27):
And if they come into the office they should bring you their best dad joke.

Dr. Cohen (25:31):
They should for sure. I like my number two pencil.

Eva Sheie (25:34):
<laugh>. All right, we're gonna try to unseat the number two pencil as the number one joke.

Dr. Cohen (25:39):
There you go.

Eva Sheie (25:40):
Thank you so much for telling us about yourself today.

Dr. Cohen (25:43):
Thank you so much Eva. Appreciate it. Thanks for your time and we look forward to doing this again sometime.

Eva Sheie (25:51):
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