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hey guys, welcome back to Electropreneur Secrets, the Electrician podcast.
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We're here with you five days a week to help you.
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Master sales, not pricing.
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Today I got it right master sales, simplify pricing and deliver premium level service.
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This is so, so, so important.
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And today we're actually going to be breaking this down as we go into part two of electrician cash management secrets, because yesterday we actually ran out of time and we were just getting into one of our favorite uh mentors, authors in industry, um, mike mccallowitz.
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Oh, you can't see it, joe, there it is.
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I know I got profit first.
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Right there it's in my hand.
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It's a blank, invisible thing, but I had to turn it this way.
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We're gonna have to highlight this and send that to Mike.
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I'm sure he'd be proud to to have those honorable mentions.
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Guys, I've got a sideways announcement for you too, actually, on the Mike McCallowitz for those of you that have just read profit first, he's actually got multiple books and some of them are really, really helpful.
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I would say all of them actually have some great nuggets.
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We're actually going to touch on the profit first model today and some of the stuff that's both intuitive, counterintuitive, productive and counterproductive.
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I feel personally, joe agrees right but also there's another one called Fix this Next, and they touch on some really important stuff and so cash management secrets.
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Here we come.
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Enough of the monologue, joe, how are you doing today?
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I'm doing really well.
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I mean, granted, you know, still got the man cold, but otherwise I'm powering through it.
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I love helping electricians master their sales.
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So life is good.
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I'm happy every day that you show up sick, because otherwise sure your head's in a fishbowl and you're making noise.
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But I'd have to do this alone or play a replay, and playing a replay is just no fun.
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Honestly, man, this is one of the times and I don't mean to just stitch this here but I honestly feel like the podcast we do together is some of my favorite times of the day because I'm just hanging out with a person I consider one of my best friends.
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We're talking about things that we really are passionate about and that we know are going to help others, and we have fun while we're doing it.
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Absolutely, you can't ask for a better hour to spend.
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Absolutely.
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I appreciate that.
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And on that note, if this is your first time here, I'm your host Clay Neumeier, with me, as always, my esteemed co-host Joseph the sales bot Lucani.
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We're just a couple of master electricians with business addictions here to help you rise.
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Joe, there's an apology.
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I told you I was going to put you on the spot here.
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This morning something strange happened.
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Do you remember?
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Do you know what I'm talking about?
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What happened?
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On the inside track, we had a sales class.
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In fact, we have one every Wednesday morning.
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Oh yes, this group got a special tease to that because we always have our upper tier clients in that class with us and then we stream it through Facebook Live on Wednesdays into our client group and today we accidentally put it right here in the entrepreneur group for the first five minutes or so.
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Totally accidental, it can happen.
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Thank you, facebook, for making streaming live such a pain in the butt.
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You got to choose from like a thousand groups, but hey, I'm not here to complain.
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All I'm suggesting is you gave them a little tease.
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Should we just complete the thought?
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Can you just tell us like a high level summary of what was discussed in the class this morning, like a two?
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just three minute summary.
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Put me on the spot.
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But you're right, it's totally able to do that Because otherwise they're disconnected.
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They just got it got taken.
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That's not fair.
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So if we're going to try and sum up the hour-long lesson that we did, I would say it's this Our process is meant to establish multiple commitments prior to ever getting the customer to see a price.
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We've gotten the concept where every word that you use either moves you further or closer to the sale.
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Either moves you further or closer to the sale, Because the first impression isn't when they first get to the door.
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The first impression is when they first see you, and that could be done via camera.
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That could be done when they're looking out a window, and how you hold yourself going from the van to the front door, as well as the transition statement from that front door into walking into the foyer, really is going to set the stage of whether we're making a sale today, whether we're just getting an estimate at this point, or whether we're going to have to disqualify ourselves because this isn't the right fit.
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So the ultimate goal of what that was was establishing that understanding that we are going to be moving this forward or we are going to ensure that we have a second commitment that we're going to come back for a two-call close.
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I love that and would you say, those commitments are actually helping us eliminate objections later.
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That's the whole goal.
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Yeah, the main point of what we're doing and why we want to get commitments is when people give you yeses, they don't always have to be big yeses.
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The more yeses you get, even small ones, they start to build momentum.
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That's why we ask questions that are formulated to get positive responses even on the smallest level, so that momentum builds throughout the call and at the end, when you finally got your point where you're giving a presentation, you already have all the objections ready to handle, because they already told you about them ahead of time and you got underneath them and you had a reason why you're able to handle them.
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So then, when they mentioned things like oh yeah, well, my wife's not here, okay, I completely understand.
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What was she hoping to accomplish when we first got here?
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What did you say that you were hoping to do when we were here?
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What was your wife expecting to come home to?
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And now we're able to take all these little things and now convert them.
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So you're right, it definitely does help with handling objections.
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Love that.
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Thank you for the share and for the record.
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Again, if you're new here, you haven't heard this before.
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Is there some evidence backing?
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this process.
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Has it worked for anyone?
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Before setting you up a little bit oh god, honestly, we're not bragging people.
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We don't say this often enough.
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There is proof.
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So can I just set you up for it this one time?
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Go for it.
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Just tell us a bit about the credit that the process deserves.
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Okay, so I can speak to myself and the things that I've done as far as following this process.
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It's an amalgamation of every training I've ever done, every book I've ever read, every therapy session I've ever done.
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It's all this big conglomeration of sections that aren't scripts per se but are more just mindsets and lines of questions that you can follow to lead you to a better answer.
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This process allowed me to achieve something I didn't think I was ever going to get to, which was I was able to hold a pretty consistent 80% close ratio and in addition to that, I was able to generate 1.3 million out of my van on a yearly basis.
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So the benefit was is that you go into calls.
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I had a $2,800 average ticket for demand calls and a 5,500 average ticket for opportunity calls.
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That is a replicatable process because while I was doing that, I was also running a company and doing service and occasionally, while I was doing that, I was also running a company and doing service and occasionally not all the time occasionally install.
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If I could get this process into the hands of someone who just does sales or just does service, I have no doubt that person would come better than me at it, and that's actually my goal.
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I'm looking to find the person better than me.
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And a shining light just came down on Edwin Castro, who's with us, live in the group.
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Edwin actually just before the show I believe we were giving props to, because last week Edwin went double platinum for the first time.
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What does that mean?
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Double platinum, joe.
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So our process is designed where we're offering a range of choices, six to be exact.
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Now we design our choices between platinum, gold, silver, bronze, economy and, if you want to have fun, tinfoil.
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But all the way at the top means that if he sold two platinums, that means he designed choices not only for this year but the ongoing services for the years to come, including first class memberships or additional maintenance agreements.
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That means that they bought the absolute finest of what he had to offer, and it usually came in a premium.
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And in this case it did, I believe had to offer, and it usually came in a premium and in this case it did.
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I believe, edwin if I'm quoting this right, it was a 17k upside last week.
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So congratulations on that and, by the way, that's helping them get what they want.
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So that included two club memberships and, I think, five, five star reviews for last week.
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So, uh, big applause to you, edwin, congratulations again and thank you for joining us.
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Uh, once again in the podcast.
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So that is what you missed this morning.
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That's our little hiccup and that's the rollout of everything we're trying to help you guys with.
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And this is a perfect, perfect, perfect tie into Mike Michalowicz's book Fix this.
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Next, here's why.
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In this little book, guys, what you'll find is he compares your business and gives it a hierarchy of needs, much like the comparison of people and Maslow's hierarchy of needs.
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I know I've talked about this before, but it ties directly into our cash flow problem and the management secrets that we're talking about today.
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Here's why have you ever heard that 80% of businesses fail in that first three to five years?
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Unfortunately.
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Yes, it's a sad reality that a lot of people are facing.
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And we've talked about it and we continue to talk about it routinely.
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And here is why it's important 80%.
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We don't want 80% to fail.
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We're trying to upset that number.
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That's part of our mission is to reduce that number to help you guys.
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That's why we're here giving strategy away for free, to help you with this, giving proven strategies Like Joe just said, proven million plus dollar strategies from a single van.
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And what that stuff was is relating to sales and what Mike McCallowit said was the first step in this pyramid, the business hierarchy of needs, and I agree wholeheartedly with sales.
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Joe, can I just ask how long will a business survive without sales?
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How well, how strong are their accounts?
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That's really all it is.
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I mean, realistically, if you said we're not making any more sales from today forward, I mean, yes, Could you survive?
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Sure, you got a house, you got a car, you got some assets, maybe some banks, but you're going to lose.
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You need sales as if you need oxygen.
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Sales is what allows you to breathe first, and a really, really good example that came to me actually, my financial mentor taught me this.
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He said imagine sales as the oxygen mask that drops out of the airplane.
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If you don't secure yours first, you have no oxygen to assist others.
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So if you really really care about others and you want to actually help them and you want to be the resource that can support them, you need to secure yours first.
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First off, great metaphor.
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Second, tying directly into that sales is cashflow.
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Sales is that exchange Sales are.
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I might have a plural singular problem there with my english.
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It happens.
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It's all good we got rid of the fancy shit like english rules for this podcast.
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Point being you need that cash flow.
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It's the lifeblood of your business, so you do need the sales.
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Here's the problem.
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This is a bit of a generalized term.
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That first step's a big step.
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It's not like you're just going to come into business or continue being successful in a business just by saying I'm working on sales today.
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Get granular with that, right.
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Really, we're talking about understanding one's value, articulating value, would you say.
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Joe.
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Is communication a part of that sale?
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Ah, if I may.
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Please jump on in.
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Realistically, this is the most important thing that we could talk about, because for so many people we've all believed that if we're great installers and we do great work and we do all these things right, the tools are right, that that should speak for itself.
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But even if you were the finest electrician that money could literally buy, if you cannot communicate that value, you just end up becoming the most unemployed or unemployable electrician that money can buy.
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You need to be able to communicate that in a professional way that says yes, I am different than my competitor.
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Here is why and here is why customers continue to choose us, even though we're more.
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If you can't make that statement happen, you will always end up losing on price and conditions.
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Absolutely, and there's so much important in that that we're going to dissect today with everything we, with everything that we can in the next 20 minutes here.
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But there's more so articulating value.
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But then marketing ties into this.
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How do we attract people to our brand and we've done episodes on this, right, we could never tie into all these things in a single episode.
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But just to see the list that comes from that sales block alone, there's six, let's say, just fairly, there's a half dozen hats that you're wearing to actually get to organic, strong, consistent, sustainable sales.
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That's very accurate and that's important.
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And the next step is, according to Mike Michalowicz in the Business Hierarchy of Needs fix this.
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Next Another plug profit.
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So your pricing and your cash management leads you to your profit, right, how you're managing your cost of goods sold, how you're managing your fixed expenses, controlling those expenses.
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Things like insurance creep up on you In a couple of years they ask you what you're making now and guess what they do to their rates.
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It's going up.
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The insurance guy honestly makes more money off the contractor than anyone else Do.
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You guys think your material costs a lot?
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You think your employees cost a lot?
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Look at what you're paying for insurance.
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I guarantee that's the highest.
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Absolutely so.
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Secret one, just to make sure I didn't skip over it there's no excuses here.
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Mastering sales If you want to upset and not fall into 80%, the wisest thing you can possibly do is master the exchange at a sustainable rate.
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So get rid of the self-objections at a sustainable rate.
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So get rid of the self-objections.
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Master that value and that communication.
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Just get people to do that handshake with you.
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Get them to trade their cash for your product or service.
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Now, as we talked about yesterday, though, the net 60, even net 30, net 60, net 90s that stuff will rob you right.
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So we also have to master that we should be getting a 50 deposit on every job we lock down to take claim to what you said yesterday, which was interest-free loans from your marketplace, correct?
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and I was just going to say, when you mentioned net 90, it literally was almost an involuntary reaction of like ugh, if anyone's done net 90 before, like I have, it hurts.
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It hurts so bad.
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So that's why these lessons are going to be really, really important.
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Absolutely.
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So we understand that mastering sales really is that first step.
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We need to work on that.
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What better place to invest?
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In fact, if you're a contractor out there thinking I got to get through these first three to five years and you've got money spent on marketing and no money spent on learning or developing a sales process, that old dog won't hunt, as my mentor used to say.
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Are we expecting to shoot from the hip until something sticks?
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Or, as we keep saying, or keep hearing from contractors who are just winging it?
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They always say the same thing.
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When I ask this question isn't winging it, winning it?
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It's a resounding no, it just isn't.
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So get that right.
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Then we focus on that profitability.
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And when you begin to know your sales metrics, when you know you're closing 80%, I mean, for example, what happens if we're closing 85% or 90%, Joe?
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What should we do then?
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It's actually a real problem.
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80 should be the absolute max that you're selling, and even for someone like myself, it ebbs and flows.
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There's going to be some days where you're great.
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There were other days when I dropped down to 60.
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And then you readjust and you go back up.
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Some days where you're great.
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There were other days when I dropped down to 60.
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And then you readjust and you go back up.
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You're constantly in this flow state.
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But if you ever find yourself over 80, I want you to time out.
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I want you to pause right now, because what that's telling you is either A you're not offering premium enough services, meaning you're more likely selling the mid-range to economy packages, or if you are selling platinums, your pricing needs to go up.
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You don't want to close.
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80 should be the max.
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If it's anything over that, you raise your price.
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Absolutely 100% agree.
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So cash management secret number two coming out right here at this level and there's a couple there One was increase your prices.
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But I want to give you a why, joe, did you know that, assuming the same number of tickets and the same average ticket number price rather okay in comparison to a not raising your price 10?
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To a raising your price 10, that should should equate to, at least by an Excel spreadsheet, a 50% profit increase on the bottom line.
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Nothing else changed.
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I would actually I would 100% believe that.
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And let me the best I can do to explain this on a podcast.
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Let me give it to you this way through a series of questions, we increased 10% price.
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Let's use the example of a hundred thousand dollars.
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So one thing on the left we get 100k last year.
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Let's say the one on the right is a hundred and plus 10, 110 000.
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Would you agree with that?
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yeah, it cost a good sold increase when we raised our price.
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Cost more labor, cost more materials?
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No, just a price increase.
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Okay.
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So now we've got an extra 10 grand at gross profit already.
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Now what about fixed expenses?
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Did any of the expenses go up when we raised our price?
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Nope, no.
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So that 10 grand carries all the way to the bottom line.
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Now if you were at a 20% net profit margin, you had 20K from the 100,000 you earned originally and you just added 10K.
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So you went from 20,000 net profit to 30,000 net profit.
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That's not a 10% increase, that's substantial, that's a 50% increase.
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So this profit secret, partially, is controlling your costs but also increasing your price.
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I've got one more secret for you.
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At this level, if we wanted to increase profit from just that standpoint of the P&L, still we got 100K.
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We've got 20,000 in net profit.
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I just want to increase that net profit and I'm not going to increase my price.