E48: MoZ gets Nuke Pilled with Packy and Julia

Dan Romero and Erik Torenberg are joined by Packy McCormick of Not Boring and Julia DeWahl (founder of Antares, ex-SpaceX) to talk about the past, present, and future of nuclear energy. Packy and Julia co-host a new narrative series called Age of Miracles ( If you’re looking for SOC 2, ISO 27001, GDPR or HIPAA compliance, head to Vanta for $1000 off: https://www.vanta.com/zen

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SELECT LINKS:

Chart (Our world in data) https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-rates-from-energy-production-per-twh

Book: Ian Morris, Why the West Rules – for Now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Why_the_West_Rules%E2%80%94For_Now

MoZ featuring E/Acc’s Beff Jezos and Bayeslord https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbfviqlGy2U

Article: Packy McCormick, The Henry Adams Curve: https://www.notboring.co/p/working-harder-and-smarter

Article: Eli Dourado, Personal Aviation is About to Get Interesting : https://www.elidourado.com/p/personal-aviation 

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Episode Preview

(01:46) Why the interest in nuclear energy?

(05:45) Why does energy matter?

(09:10) Greta Thunberg and environmentalism as religion replacement

(12:08) Why France got it right in the 70s

(14:48) Sponsors: Vanta and NetSuite

(17:04) Myth-busting: nuclear waste and disasters

(22:33) Why has the anti-nuclear movement been so potent?

(26:46) Breaking down the incentives at play in regulation and the free market

(39:00) How do you change the perception and safety? 

(47:50) The opportunities to build in the nuclear space

(56:50) Applying Elon’s frameworks to building in the nuclear space

(01:00:45) Safety culture and accountability

(01:08:20) Opportunity for SMR companies from Microsoft and congress

(01:10:20) Are we overestimating nuclear’s impact versus other energy sources?

(01:16:05) Capital markets and idea maze problem

(01:23:00) How to get involved in opportunities in nuclear if you have no background