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Aug. 12, 2024

E91: Trump, AI, and US-China Relations

E91: Trump, AI, and US-China Relations

In this episode of Moment of Zen, Erik Torenberg is joined by Samuel Hammond, Director of Poverty and Welfare Policy at the Niskanen Center and The Cognitive Revolution podcast host Nathan Labenz.

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In this episode of Moment of Zen, Erik Torenberg is joined by Samuel Hammond (@hamandcheese), a senior economist at the Foundation for American Innovation and AI Scout/ Cognitive Revolution podcast host Nathan Labenz. From drug innovation to nuclear risk, they discuss the impact of AI on policy and governance, exploring the challenges and opportunities of a Trump vs. Harris presidency.


From drug innovation to nuclear risk, they dissect the impact of AI on policy and governance, exploring the challenges and opportunities of a Trump vs. Harris presidency.


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LINKS:


Samuel Hammond Essays

* The EA case for Trump 2024:

https://www.secondbest.ca/p/the-ea-case-for-trump-2024


* AI and Leviathan: Part I:

https://www.secondbest.ca/p/ai-and-leviathan-part-i


* A Manhattan Project for AI Safety:

https://www.secondbest.ca/p/a-manhattan-project-for-ai-safety


Books:

* Asymmetric Politics: How the New Right Became Resurgent in American Politics by Matthew Grossmann and David Hopkins

* The New Class War by Michael Lind

* The Great Stagnation by Tyler Cowen

* The Singularity Is Near by Ray Kurzweil

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TIMESTAMPS:

(00:00) Introduction

(01:08) Samuel's Perspective on Trump: Focus on Innovation

(03:54) Nathan's Perspective on Trump: Focus on Tail Risks

(07:55) Governing Philosophies and Party Structures

(14:53) The Need for Understanding AI on Its Own Terms

(20:48) The Potential for AI to Reform the Administrative State

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(29:34) The Dissonance Between Idealism and Reality

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(37:54) The Potential for a Crisis-Driven AI Policy

(41:01) Trump's Character and the Importance of Leadership

(48:56) The Case for a Trump Administration in Light of Past Policies

(06:37) The Need for American Dominance in AI

(1:13:20) The Risks of an AI Arms Race

(1:19:22) The Chip Ban and its Potential Consequences

(1:28:28) The Potential for a Shared AI Future

(1:34:47) The Role of Values in AI Governance

(1:43:12) The Potential for a Joint US-Government/Tech Industry AI Project

(1:47:56) The Need for a Pause in AI Development

(1:57:02) The Limits of Individual Leadership and the Importance of Institutional Change

(1:58:17) The Hypothetical Scenario of Trump Ordering a Nuclear Strike

(2:00:10) The Importance of Delegation and Expertise

(2:02:02) The Need for Outsider Leadership