TOP 10 Lessons Learned From The First 100 Episodes with Chuck Anderson

Hello there, and welcome back to the Creative Collaboration Show. My name is

Chuck Anderson, and you have arrived at a very

special time. Today is our 1

hundredth episode of the creative collaboration

show. And, over the last 100 episodes, I have

had the privilege of interviewing some amazing

guests who've had so many great

tips and strategies to share that can

help you on whatever business track you're

on, whether you're just starting out in business or if you're

growing your business or scaling your business or trying to overcome

certain challenges in your business. We have had

so many guests great guests on this show. And so what

we did is we went back and we had a look at these

episodes and, picked out a a few of our favorites,

that, were either the bet most popular with

our audience, or with our community, and

we've put together a top 10. So I'm gonna be doing a

top 10 countdown of our best,

interviews, over the last 100 episodes. Now the first

one I wanna introduce you with in the number 10 spot is doctor

Barnsley Brown, and here, her and I are talking

about becoming resilient, in your

business. Check it out. That question, actually, I

decided I had 3 amazing people that I really revered.

Every single one of them was just a dynamo. And 2 of them

were my neighbors, Chuck, so they stayed on my butt. They wouldn't let me

off the hook. And they enrolled me in

transformational leadership trainings that were held here,

actually, local, that people came from all over the world. They were held right here

in Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Can you imagine? So I didn't

need to travel. There there was no excuse, and I was

recently, separated, and

I needed a change in my life. I was a single

mom. I needed a change in my life. I needed support. I knew I

needed support, and I did not want to stay in the

rain sobbing about what had happened. You know what I mean?

Soggy and sobbing. That that's no fun.

Joy is where it's at, you all. So I enrolled in

transformational leadership. I remember putting that

5,000 it was just under $5,000, Chuck. I put that thing on my

credit card. I just said, okay. I'm putting it on my credit card. I don't

know how this is gonna happen. And do you know within 3 weeks, that credit

card was paid off with all the extra business that had come

my way? Amazing. Yeah. Magical.

The secret the breakthrough for people is that

you haven't gotten where you wanted to go doing what

you're doing now. Alright? And I didn't. And

it is absolutely imperative that you invest

in yourself, your personal growth as we were talking about right before

this, Chuck. You gotta invest in yourself because to the extent that you grow

yourself, you will be able to grow your business.

Otherwise, anything that happens, you'll be knocked off, your

center. So you've got to have you really have to have an

incredible center and incredible perseverance. Stick

to it, miss, dogged, like, be like a chihuahua that

grabs onto your heel and won't let go. That's what you gotta be in

business. Yeah. You know? Relentless,

really. Relentless. That's the best word right there. Relentless.

Next up in the number 9 spot, I have a good friend of mine, Jim

Padilla, talking about selling on founder magic

and the importance of having a sales playbook so you can

duplicate yourself in your business. Whereas when you

are when you're in a place where you're trying to make a decision every day,

you have to have a actual conscious decision. Do I make sales today, or do

I serve my clients today? Right? You're starting to become the bottleneck and

the fork in the road at the same time. And so people you're you're trying

to go, okay. I need to make more sales, but then now you're behind on

trying to fulfill with everybody. Or you're so busy fulfilling that you can't make any

more sales because they're all dependent upon you. And that's that's a

challenge. Raise your hand if you've been there. Right? We we we all know that

that's a that's a challenging thing. We call this selling on founder magic.

And that's when you're selling on founder magic, here's the problem. It's

fantastic because people get to access you, and they know you. The

problem is it's not sustainable. It's not

replicatable. It's not, it's not something that

ultimately is profitable because usually you're undervaluing your own time and what can

be put on somebody else. And it's easier for me to do it than it

is for me to train somebody to do it, or it's easier for me to

do it than it is to run someone. And the the biggest part of the

problem that the reason why it's so hard for you to get somebody else do

it is because you haven't largely documented your

entire process. You don't have a sales playbook. Right? You

don't have you don't have a way to capture all of the things that are

in your head or in your history to be able to put in front of

a salesperson who can then replicate what you're doing. You

know, Tony Roma's, used to be a big favorite restaurant

of of mine, and I used to love this chicken and ribs combo that they

had and with shrimp. It was a it was ribs and shrimp combo with with

with rice, with all my favorite things. And they took it off the

menu for some reason. I guess I was the only person buying it, but, if

they took it off the menu, and then Cindy and I were out of town,

and we've we found a Tony Roma's and I was we went in. I said,

hey. Look. Is there any way that you could put this plate

together for me? I know it's not on the menu anymore. And the server was

like, oh, yeah. Man, I couldn't I don't know why they took it off the

menu. I used to sell a lot of those. I know we got the ingredients

in the back. Let me get the the cook to make it for you. She

knew all the off menu items, So she knew what was what, and she knew

that they can make it happen. And so I got my

plate. But if she had been a brand new server and didn't know anything about

that, she could have very easily just said, well, we don't have it on the

menu anymore, and so you can't have it. Or I don't wanna go out

of my way to you know, the chef's kinda grumpy today, but who knows? It

could have been a whole lot of variables around why this wouldn't work.

And when you are the founder, you know all the off menu

items. You know where everything is. You know what things you've sold in the

past. You know what is in the kitchen because you did the order, and you

know what's all there. So you know what? And we could probably make that because

I just did a order of those the other day. Right? When you're bringing a

salesperson on and if you don't have a process in a way to capture all

of that, they have no way of knowing any of those things. And so you

have to expect that they're gonna deliver less than you because they don't have all

of the history that is in there. But you can you can deliver this

stuff in a process and what's something we call a sales playbook. And that

gives the your salespeople the ability, everything

that they need to deliver a sale.

Alright. Now continuing on in the number 8 spot is

doctor Susie Carter, and she has some great

insights on your business and whether you actually have

a job or a real business that can scale into

something significant. And I was at a seminar, and he said,

how many of you, are off work right now? And we raised our hand.

How many of you are nervous that you're off work right now? We raised our

hand. He said, how many of you, are gonna have to work twice as hard

tomorrow when you get back in because you took the day off and we raised

our hand. He said, how many of you are afraid to go on vacation? Right?

Because you don't know will the business do what the business needs to do if

you're gone. We all raise our hand. He said, congratulations. You own a

job not a business. And that was the biggest epiphany for

me to go, how do I back in the day, it was a

salon and spa. How do I have this business not rely on

these 724? My ego was invested, and a lot

of entrepreneurs, our ego is it can't run without me, like, you can't run

without me. I'm so special. And the reality

is you want to build it so that it can run without you. And so

that was a huge pivot for me to go, I want to be able to

go on vacation. And how vacation works for most of us and even

me back then is you would work really hard right before you go on vacation,

go on vacation, sleep most of the time because you're so exhausted from working so

hard because you're going on vacation. Come back from vacation and then work

around the clock to make up for what you didn't do while you were

on vacation. And so it's not really a vacation. I just got back

from a month off on vacation

of just enjoying my home, enjoying my family, enjoying projects,

and not having to worry about my business because my team is managing my business.

The business still ran. We still have money come in. We still have receivables come

in. So anything's possible when you have a plan and a strategy.

And systems, if you look at our life, everywhere you

look at systems, how we drive, there's a system. If you ever go to

Europe, there's a different system that's hard. If you're an

American and then you're going in Europe, right? So how

you cook, there's a system. And how you get up in the morning

and do you shower first, do you brush your teeth first, do you get coffee

first, do you take meditation time first, do you work out first, what's

your system that you do every morning? And so when you look at

it, systems allow us to get twice as much done in half the amount of

time. And most entrepreneurs were winging it. Right?

We're firefighting. And we are firefighting because you don't have a structure

in place to go if this there's a breakdown, what happens? There's a

breakdown, what's happened? Now please hear that I don't have a perfect business. We have

breakdowns in our business because the bigger you play, the bigger the breakdown.

And so there's always breakdowns inside of our business. The difference is we're aware

of our dysfunction, we know how to handle a breakdown and there's not make

wrong inside of a breakdown. If we're not having breakdown in our

business, Chuck, we're not playing big enough.

Next up at number 7, I have Majid Magaraban,

talking about how you can really sell anything

through public speaking. Check this out.

A health coach comes to me and says, Majid, I have the

speaking engagement coming up. I have no idea what I was supposed to say. There's

gonna be a lot of my ideal clients there. I'm super nervous. Can you help

me? And I said, don't worry. I know exactly what to do.

We built a powerful 10 minute speech with stories and

jokes, and it was entertaining. And this health coach went on

stage, delivered their talk, nailed it, had them

laughing, had them crying, standing ovation, but more importantly, got the

audience to take action and sign up for her $5,000

coaching program. She got 10 new clients from

one speech, she made $50,000 in 10 minutes.

She said to me, Man, Majid, I never thought it was possible to make

$50,000 in a month, let alone in 10 minutes. And it's

all thanks to the work we did for that speech. So that's the success

story framework. And so we're starting to put these

success stories into the speech. Now there's another

story called the cautionary tale. And the cautionary tale is just like the

success story framework. Ideal client comes to you, describes the

problem. But in this case, they don't work with you for whatever

reason. Or maybe you never met them, but you're still describing the person

with that problem. So that way the the audience hears themselves in the story and

they go, oh, this is just like my problem, what happens next? It's a

cautionary tale because bad things happen next. Let's take the

same example. Health coach has a speech coming up. She's got 10 minutes,

she's got an audience full of ideal clients, but she spends the whole 10

minutes talking about her own health journey and it didn't really

resonate with the audience. She makes a pitch, nobody buys

and she feels really embarrassed and she feels like she

totally bombed the speech. That's a cautionary

tale, right? And that speech just cost her $50,000 because she didn't have the

right speech, even though she had great intentions. So we have

cautionary tales and we have success stories and we can juxtapose the 2 throughout

a speech and then imply to the audience, so which one do you wanna be?

Do you wanna be like the success story, or do you wanna be like the

cautionary tale?

Next up, it number 6 is my good friend,

Gary Rogers, who knows more about looking good on

camera than anyone else on the Internet. And, here, he's

gonna be talking about how you can look good on camera and make money using

nothing but a webcam. Well, everybody's got a PhD

at watching television. You you know

instantly if some somebody's doing the right thing

or the wrong thing. When the pandemic

started, news anchors would talk to people. They

couldn't send out camera crews. They had to talk pea

to people on their computers. And Nora O'Donnell

or Lester Holtz, the news anchor would talk to

them, and they were talking to their audience, looking into

their cameras, but the people that they were interviewing

on their laptops were looking down at the laptop.

And right now, anybody that's viewing this,

I've lost connection with everybody. I'm not looking

at them. I've gotta look into that camera if they wanna feel

like I'm talking to them. And people

just have to learn, it's a it's a

simple mistake that 99% of

everybody I talk to makes every single day of my life.

If you're on a laptop, which most people use,

your tendency is to wanna look at the person you're talking to.

And in order to do that, you gotta look down. And as soon

as you do that, you've lost connection with the people you're talking to.

When I started my coaching online, I

knew from my production experience that I had to look straight

into the camera if I wanted people to feel connected with me.

It drove me crazy. I spent the 1st 3 years

looking straight into that camera, and I couldn't see the

people that I was talking to. And I wanna see

the people. You were just going like that, and I wanna see

that. Now I've got a big smile. I I can see

everything that you're doing. I learned a trick a

lot of years ago, and now I teach all of my

students how they can actually see the people that they're

talking to, not down on the computer screen, but

actually see them as they're talking to them

and have the people they're talking to feel like they're talking

directly to them. It revolutionized my business

when I found out how to do that, and now I teach it to literally

everybody. And everybody that does it, it changes their

business for the rest of their lives if they're using a webcam.

Okay. I'm halfway through my countdown now. Hopefully, you've enjoyed

the clip so far, and now we're gonna get to our

final 5. Now before I do that, I just wanna

remind you that, not only are these, very powerful

guests, but these are people that, we tend to collaborate

with. And, and so one of the things that

I commonly do with our podcast guests is,

collaborate, do some collaborative projects. Sometimes we invest in a

business. Sometimes we even create a whole new business. And

one of the ways that I do that is through my podcast guests.

So take a look at these, guests, the ones you just heard from and

the ones you are just about to hear from. They are great

people to collaborate. But, also, if you,

feel like you have something to offer our

audience, our community, or even would like to collaborate with

me, then please reach out, and, let's get you booked

in as a guest on this show, and let's figure out what

we can do together. I would like to help you grow your business,

and together, everybody wins. Okay. Enough of

that. Back to the show. Here at number

5 is my good friend, Iman Aghai,

talking about the power of learning any skill and

applying that to get some great business results.

You're gonna love his story. Oh, I always say

like, usually, when people want to introduce me on the stage, they say, Iman, how

do we introduce you? And I said, just say Iman, our guy is a nice

guy. That's all enough. No. But

the reality is that I'm a serial entrepreneur, and I'm a very curious

person around, like, learning new things. And so

that's why, like, when you were looking at that, you're like, oh, you're an author,

you're a speaker, you're this, you're that. It's just because I'm curious to

learn, like, all different things. So I remember,

that many years ago, I wanted to become a best selling author. And

as clearly, it's obvious that English is not my first

language. And so I was like, well, how can I write a book? Right? I

was in a place that, like, I can't write a book. I can't do this.

I can't do that. Right? And I'm like, well, then how can you? Right?

So then, I started kind of putting together my first

book, and it was, for example, the first one that I did

actually was a a mixture of, like, short

stories of everybody, and I just wrote one chapter. Right? But then that taught

me how to how to publish a book and how

to, you know, make it a best selling book. And so, like, the first book

that I ever published, it was, consolidation of,

like, 10 stories of other people, including one story

of mine, but taught me a lot about, like, book writing and publishing. And

then, after that, I wrote and published my own

book, which became, like, the most sold book on Amazon

on online course creation. But I always

wanted to become public speaker, and I was like, well, you know,

how can I actually do this? So I ended up getting, like, a lot of

classes on, you know, being able to understand

in English with my accent and, you know, took I took 2

years of classes on how to be funny. Like, literally

paid a guy for 2 years, to, go

through humorous classes and other things to, just be

able to make people laugh in English because every time I speak in

Farsi, everybody laughs. And then, the moment that I would start

speaking English, then nobody would laugh. And I'm like, damn it. Like, I can't screw

it. Right? So, like, spent, like, 2 years, like, learning how to

be, how to bring humor, to my English

and, you know, and everything else. Like, you you were talking about the

mergers and acquisitions, and I was thinking, well, you know what? About 4 years

ago, I knew nothing about mergers and acquisitions. I knew nothing about investing

in companies. And then I was like, you know what? I

I really learned about I really should learn about this because I I

like like, this is something that, like, it's like, I I should really

know. Right? So, then I started, like,

looking at where I can learn it and, found an investment

club where, where, a

kind of, like, was a investment pool that I really was, like, investing a little

bit money into it, but all of us were investing in different companies. And

just a few years later, 160 investments and,

you know, 10 exits later. And then just I

think the biggest thing is that I'm a curious person, and I love entrepreneurship,

and I love, supporting and helping people

with with building businesses that

that's along with our life purpose. I always look at entrepreneurship for

myself as a playground to feed my curiosity

and thirst for learning.

Next up in the number 4 spot is Michael Tucker, and

I was blown away by Michael's story

of how he took a brand new event

and a brand new idea, collaborated and

partnered with somebody, and now has scaled that to beyond

$40,000,000 in sales. Check this

story out because this is something that anyone can learn how

to do. You know, I was kinda learning the digital marketing as I was

going. Right? A lot of you entrepreneurs and business owners here listening today, you

probably jumped into something and was learning as you were going, and that

was me. So I was watching YouTube videos, attending conferences,

watching webinars, and the common theme that kept coming

up, Chuck, was virtual events and

webinars. Like, everybody and this was, like, you know, 4 or 5 years ago. So

everybody was using webinars, and these were big things. Russell Brunson was

talking about using webinars, and so we set out to do our first

virtual event. I remember taking it took weeks to build this

out. I I got all the emails, the funnels,

the, you know, the text messages ready, the products

ready, everything. It took me weeks. We did our first webinar

to our own organic audience, and it flopped. I remember

sitting there at my kitchen table hitting refresh,

refresh, refresh on ClickFunnels. If you're a digital marketer, you'll know what that is.

And I was hitting refresh, and no sales were coming in. But,

eventually, what actually led us to our biggest epiphany and our

biggest breakthrough was using collaborations

and partnerships with our virtual events. And so, you know, we ended

up resetting. We got some coaching, some mentorship, and we ended up

making $750,000 over the course of

10 months from that loss for I shouldn't say loss from that,

failure we had at the very beginning. 10 months later, we ended up generating over

$750,000 all through partnerships

and virtual events. So that's why I love this, Chuck, is because I've

experienced it. That's my favorite collaboration story right

there is when I can you know, this was, like, my first

client. I didn't even have an agency. Right? We I mean, we are bartering services.

And so it was really cool to see how he went from having no

audience, no list

to thousands of people on his list of utilizing other

people's audience and making 100 of 1,000 of dollars. It

was total night and day from day 1

to 10 months later. So I get pumped up, man.

It's crazy.

You know, mental resilience plays such a huge

part in our journey as entrepreneurs, as business

owners, and even if you're a salesperson. I mean, as as business

owners, we have to sell all the time. And, of course, there's

techniques and then there's the things that we believe. And this

next guest, Jerry Teplitz, is

a master at helping you to work out

things in your brain so you can get a much better result. In fact, if

you go back and check out the full episode, you'll see

me doing a live exercise with

Jerry that right after that episode,

created a huge spike in my business results. Check this

out. Well, I and I realized very, quickly

that if I went into a VP of sales and I

said to them, hi. I'd like to come in and do this seminar.

It's called switched on selling, and we're not gonna teach

a single technique of selling the entire day. It is a

brain reeducation program using very simple body

movement exercises called brain gyms.

After he threw me out the door or she threw would throw me out the

door, I realized I needed to get proof

that this worked. And so what I did is a

research study with 695 salespeople.

We gave them a pre seminar questionnaire when they walked in first thing in the

morning. End of the day, we gave it to them again, but then I

collected the forms back from them. I got them back to them a month later

because I wanted to get over seminar high, a placebo effect.

Because you know how you go to seminar, you get really excited,

and 3 days later, you're back doing what you did before. So it didn't

stick. So I wanted to see if this really worked because I was

not gonna continue doing it if it was just kind of

a placebo effect on folks. I wanted something that we're gonna

be changing them. So, with the study

let me give you an example of one of the statements we asked, when

they walked in first thing in the morning filling out the form. I am comfortable

asking for the order and closing the sale. Pretty

important part of the process, Chuck. Agreed? Very

important. You have to ask. So how many people would you

say responded negatively to that?

Well, I'll just base it on the work that I've done. Most people are very

uncomfortable. The they might force themselves to do it, but but

most people are uncomfortable asking for the order.

52% responded negatively to

that statement. Okay. Well, over half. End of the

seminar day. Again, remember, we're not teaching techniques of

selling. It's this brain reeducation using movement.

Only 8% were still negative.

Now you would normally expect the

numbers to start going up again

instead at the month later. And we didn't get all the forms back.

We compared the ones we got back with the ones that we didn't, and they

were comparable. So it wasn't that we had this unique group of folks who

responded versus those who did not. And

this is the interesting part. Only

6% were still on the negative side

from 52 down to 51 down

to 6%.

Moving on now to number 2, I had the privilege

of interviewing one of the

OGs of Internet marketing. Rich Sheffrin,

was responsible not only for

inspiring millions of people to get

online with their businesses, but was the business coach to some

of the biggest minds and biggest gurus that you see

in the Internet marketing space. And, many of the people that

you are learning from today, were coached and

trained by Rich. And so lean in and listen to what he

has to say. It's pretty cool. And so that's when

I decided I would start coaching on my own. And

as I kinda decided to coach, I became

really the first business coach online, because everyone else was kinda

teaching marketing. And,

kind of, acquired quite a slew of

people that are now extremely well known that were in

those that were in my early coaching programs. People like Russell

Brunson and Todd Brown and Mike Filsain and Ryan

Levesque and, you know, pretty much most of the big names

online today, Ryan Dice, etcetera,

were in those original coaching programs. And for about 2

years, I was kind of a behind the scenes coach to a lot of people

that became big names, but most people didn't know who I

was. I also started working with a company

called Agora Publishing around that time.

And I had this big project that I was doing with

Agora, in about 3 months, and I had

just finished my coaching program. So I had, like, nothing to

do, for 3 months. And

I didn't like the idea of there being nothing to do, so I

ended up writing a report with the hope of getting,

like, a dozen clients that I could work with for 3 months,

and the report was what mistakes I saw people

making and how I help people make money and build

businesses. And so I put it on my blog,

and it ended up going viral. And so that was called the

Internet Business Manifesto. And, really, you know, there was 31

pages long, and it's been downloaded millions of times at

this point. And it changed my life. Like, there

was my life before that document, and there was my life after that

document, and they are very different lives.

And so, immediately, I built a company off of

that. You know, it brought back, like, $3,500,000 within the

first 4 weeks or something like that, over 7 and a

half 1000000 within the 1st year and well over 10,000,000 by

year 2. And I wrote a series of

6 more free reports like that one over the next

18 months, and my business grew from each one of those three reports

because each report that I wrote was tied to some program

or service or coaching that I was planning on doing. And then

after I did it, it would become a product or program that we just

sold in perpetuity. And,

that was an amazing 18 months. I worked insanely

hard. I, really proud of those reports.

Some of them predicted attention would become the scarcest commodity online.

Another report talked about attention going to this new thing, social

media, and what were the implications. So a lot of the things I predicted and

wrote about turned out to be true.

And finally, in the number one spot, I had the privilege

of interviewing James Melenchuk. And some of you

might know him from the hit series, The Secret Millionaire.

He's also a mentor and a guide to anyone who wants to get

paid as a public speaker. But here

is James and I talking about the power of

networking, how to do it effectively, and the power of

leveraging deep relationships in your

business. You gotta check this out and put this into practice.

So I say stop networking because that's pest working and start

relationship working. You know, the way I look at folks,

Chuck, is, you know, my you think about this, your

family and your friends, the people who are closest to you, that you love and

care about, you don't like think about networking with

them. You think about serving them and helping them and making

their life better. Right? So wouldn't that be something if we went around and looked

at every business contact, if we looked at every person we meet at the

grocery store or at the club, the tennis club, or

whatever as a family member and a friend, you would stop

networking immediately. And you would say, and I need to,

like, invest in this relationship. I need to spend time with this person, talk

to them, help them, get to know them. We don't look at that when we're

thinking of networking. So I always say stop networking. That equals pest

working. You're a pest, and people are trying to swat your way. Right? And

start relationship working. That that is

incredible. I love the way you put all of that. And, you know, networking

really is the that short term thinking. It's like, I need something

today. I need a client today. I need a business today. Whereas the

relationship, that's an investment in the future. You don't know when you're gonna be able

to cash in on that or ever. That was the first big

collaboration thing that that really impacted. However,

I'm so grateful for the first person, the one that I used to work with,

who he and that person had a falling out because

had that person not brought the second person to my

home, that second person and I today would not be friends.

Right? Because you don't burn bridges. They happen to have a falling out, but I

ended up meeting this person through him. So amazing how

sometimes collaboration works for you when you least

expect it or you you're not even trying to make it work. I

love that. Treat them like family members. You're not even trying to make it work.

And, again, we're not trying to get something from somebody.

We're trying to give something to someone. And with that

without that expectation of they must give us something back. Yeah.

I think that that really talks about having the

faith that you will, you'll attract into your life what you need. You

put enough good out in the world. You help people with a servant's heart,

not try to, like, do it for ulterior motives. Would we like something to

come back? Yeah. That's natural. But if it doesn't, man, you can

put your head down on the pillow at night knowing that in your heart, you

did something good for somebody else. That's just a great way to live.

So there you have it. There is our top 10 countdown

from our first 100 episodes of

the creative collaboration show. Again, if you'd like to be a guest on

this show, please reach out to me, and let's connect and figure

out how to tell your story. And in the meantime, if you're looking to

grow your business and to get get

more collaborations and more joint venture partners and more

affiliates who promote you and really to create

partnerships with the kind of people that you just heard from on this show,

but out of so many that we work with. I want to

invite you to a free workshop that I do every single month. It's

called the get affiliates workshop, where you're gonna learn how to

get affiliates and joint venture partners and

ambassadors to help you to fill your programs,

to send you more clients, and to promote your

events, whatever it is that you're promoting. And so you'll find

the link to that just beneath this video and in the show

notes of this episode. In fact,

you'll find the links to all of our guests,

right there in the show notes. So come and join me for that workshop.

That would be a time well spent as well. If you'd like to be on

a guest of the show, please reach out. And in the meantime,

keep listening. Keep listening. We have some more

great guests coming up. Our next, about

20, 30 episodes are already planned, and we have some

amazing, amazing people here for you. So in the

meantime, remember, the only way to fail is to

quit, and so keep moving forward in the pursuit

of your big dream, your business idea, your world

changing idea, and you might be just one partnership or

collaboration away from that big breakthrough you are

looking for. And, in the meantime, we will see

you on the next one. This has been the Creative Collaboration Show with Chuck Anderson.

We'll see you soon, everybody. Join us for the next episode. Thank you.