Healing the Wounded Inner Child with Lisa Tahir and the Chiron Effect | GR121

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Well, welcome Lisa, thank you so much for taking the

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time to being on good real.

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Dr. Friedman, thank you so much for having me on. This is such a

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delight, knowing that you're in France. And I'm just honored to

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be here. Thank you.

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Well, I was very happy to read your book, because I always love

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reading my guests books, but this one touched me very much,

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because it is such a wonderful combination of two modalities

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that I just find fascinating. Of course, psychotherapy is

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something I do but the other one is astrology. And the

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combination of both is something I have to admit I wasn't so

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aware of until I read your book. So what is actually psycho

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astrology. This is something that you came up with, or is it

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something that exists?

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Well, it's certainly existed. I put the words together and

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trademarked psycho astrology, because like you're saying, I

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saw this really unique intersection of where our

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personal psychology intersects with our natal astrology. And

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for me that has to do with the placement of Chiron c h I r o n.

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Specifically, I am trained as a psychotherapist, and astrology

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has been kind of a newer language for me to familiarize

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myself with, I see astrology as a symbolic language that can

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help us understand patterns in our lives, propensities, the

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gifts we have. And yet it's through our freewill and taking

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personal responsibility that we can live in to those potentials,

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or choose others for ourselves. And I found that unique that

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Chiron in your birth chart will be present in a sign Chiron will

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be an Aries, Taurus, Libra Scorpio, it's different for

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everyone. And that leads to a deeper understanding of the area

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of our lives that we might hide or edit from others. And even

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from our own awareness, because we tend to judge ourselves, we

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might have low self esteem and not want others to know that. So

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we'll compensate in different areas to try to hide that part

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of ourselves, for example, yet it causes us to feel sometimes

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even ashamed, or less than, and we know that that sense of

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unworthiness really can have some negative effects in our

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lives of it might show up as depression or anxiety or not

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quite living in the way you most deeply desire. So I'm just going

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to pause to check in with you. I'm curious what you think about

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that?

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Well, one thing that I find surprising about Chiron was in

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your book, you kind of laid out how to find the placement of

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your own Chiron and you know, usually in astrology, it's very

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specific time of your birth, the place of your birth, and but

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that seemed to be a very wide range of yours, that was

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basically determine your Chiron placement. So for me it was in

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Pisces, for example. And it was through a stretch of I think 10

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years. So that does that mean that really all those people

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born during this time have the placement in Pisces? Or is there

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a more specific way to determining where your Chiron

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is?

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It's actually both things that you're saying. And Chiron does

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spend about eight years in a sign. So people in your age

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range of eight years will all share Chiron in Pisces, which

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has to do with a core wounding and your sense of the immaterial

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world that could include spirituality, or a lack thereof.

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And it manifests in of a pattern of where you'll put other people

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first, but to an extreme, where you'll feel depleted and often

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others might not know and you could actually harbor a secret

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resentment for doing so much for others. And because they don't

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know that you are over extended for example, you know, they

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might be surprised that you suddenly are angry about it or

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you might say something kind of cutting or edgy and others it

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might push them away when what you desire is more closeness is

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some more help is some more co creation together. And Mother

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Teresa is an example she had her Chiron in Pisces and she

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obviously healed that so deeply to be of service to the world in

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huge ways. So it's really about learning to put on your oxygen

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mask first, as they say, in aviation, and then aid and

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assist others to give from your overflow. And I sense this is

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something you have most certainly naturally healed in

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your life. Dr. Friedman, Is that Is that accurate? Well, your

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work that work in

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progress, because it's definitely something that I feel

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that was, you know, something I enjoyed about your book that are

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very accurate in regards to that what you call core wounds that,

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you know, we all are dealing with now I call it survival

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pattern. And I certainly attribute that to my upbringing,

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which was very much me being the designated to help her and

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Peacemaker. That's why my name is freedom and man of peace. So

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that's definitely something that resonated with me. And, and I

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can very much see how this is something that's also in that

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specific generation that I grew up in, you know, very

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predominant where children were often just put into that role

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having to be those little helpers and little pleasers. And

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but what I'm wondering is with Chiron, how do you see that as

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you know, the the Chiron effect is actually something that stars

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create? Or is it just a map that basically gives us then the idea

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of okay, you are in that area right now, where this core wound

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is quite, you know, a parent or predominant what, what is the

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Chiron effect?

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Sure. And before I go there, Dr. Friedman, just to let people

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know that, though, someone eight years of your age range will

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share the same Chiron placement, as we were discussing Chiron in

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Pisces, but based upon if you have your time of birth, that

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will reveal the house, the astrological house that Chiron

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is in. And that's different for everyone, whether it manifests

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in the first house versus the third, the first house having to

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do with self esteem, the third house having to do with

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siblings, and communication. And so just to delineate that, that

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if you do have your time of birth, you'll be able to read

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about that added layer of where Chiron manifests in your life,

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if it's personally or in your professional life. But even if

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you don't have your time of birth, knowing what your core

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wounding or vulnerability is, will help you you'll pretty much

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know where that manifests intuitively, if Oh, you know,

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your patterns, which is what the Chiron effect is the Chiron

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effect is the patterning in our lives, that we can only go as

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far as our largest limiting belief. And if you think about

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that, for a minute, it's kind of a unique way to look at things

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that we can go as far as wide and deep, as we believe is true

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for ourselves. And that's the people places and things that we

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habituate that we orbit, I see us all and I talked about in the

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book, we're like little solar systems, we're planets,

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habituating, our friends, the places we go to these people,

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places and things daily, weekly, monthly, yearly. And that

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becomes, we orbit them, and they orbit us. And for the most, you

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know, I see a lot of people being mostly happy with their

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orbit with their little solar system that they've created. But

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often there's one area of our lives that it's like, wow, if I

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could only be have more financial success, or if I could

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have more professional recognition, or I'd really love

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to be in a relationship romantically that successful or

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enhance the one that I'm in. And so that's what the Chiron effect

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speaks to, it speaks to really looking at the thoughts that we

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have, we have up to 60,000 thoughts per day. And I talked

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about though, we're not able to identify or capture all of

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those, we don't need to, it's just a matter of every day if we

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could capture one or two of our negative and fear based

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thoughts, and really look at it and say, Hey, I don't want to

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believe this. I don't want to be limited by my beliefs about

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myself. I choose to release, for instance, that I'm not good

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enough for that I can't have what I want. And I replace it

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with wanting to believe that I can actually live the life of my

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dreams that I can actually have that financial backing that

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support that flow and ease in my life. And I give affirmations

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that you can write and take away like for Chiron in Pisces, their

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affirmations like I forgive myself. I love myself as I am. I

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am enough And you can take these and write them down. And I carry

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an affirmation around every day that says everything is always

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working out for me. And it's in my wallet. And when I go to pay

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for something, it's like a nice little surprise. And it's in

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this way of reprogramming our minds our subconscious mind. In

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fact, it's our life starts to change, our orbit starts to up

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be upgraded, our frequency is higher and clearer, and we start

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to have some new experience some new people come into our lives,

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does that help illuminate what the Chiron effect is?

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Yes. And a lot of people that do have a problem with astrology

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would say, well, am I a victim of my stars? And how do they

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suppose to influence me? And what is this to do with how I go

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through life? So just for those people that are, you know,

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already feeling like, well, this is too, out there for me, how

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would you ground astrology into their consciousness?

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Sure, Dr. Friedman, you know, that's why I began with that

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when we first started our conversation, that astrology is

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a beautiful symbolic language. And like I had said earlier, it

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it offers you some potential patterns, some gifts, some

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propensities that you have in your life. And yet, it's free

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will, it's taking personal responsibility for ourselves.

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That's how we change. So astrology is the diagnostic

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point, to look at where your Chiron falls in your birth

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chart, and therefore illuminating on a spectrum, what

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I call core wounding on one end and vulnerability on the other.

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For some of you, if you've experienced childhood abuse and

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trauma, this would be a deeper wound of neglect of abandonment,

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for instance, and for others of you, you might have been

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naturally healing yourself, because the body heals

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naturally, just like when we get a cut, you know, immediately,

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there's healing that starts and we don't have to do much at all,

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but put a bandaid over it for the body to heal itself. And our

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psychology is the same, we're really made to heal naturally.

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And so for you, for others, that might be an area of

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vulnerability, that you're you have awareness that, you know, I

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might lack the skills of, for instance, a healthy, romantic

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relationship. But yet, you've been reading you've been

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studying, you've been in therapy, to really beef up and

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strengthen and support yourself and having communication skills

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and learning to listen more empathetically, for instance, to

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others and yourself. So you'll find yourself on the spectrum.

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And I believe in personal responsibility, it's up to us.

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And I talk about in the book that though the things that have

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happened to you might not be your fault, especially in the

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instances of trauma and abuse, it is our responsibility to heal

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ourselves from what has happened to us by by accident, or by our

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own doing. And I see that journey really being about

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forgiveness. And I know Dr. Friedman, I was taught that

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forgiveness is for others. Yet forgiveness is also for you. And

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it's really the thoughts you're thinking in your own mind about

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yourself, to learn to be a supportive coach, to learn to

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really tune in to what you most deeply need today, and start to

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show up and give yourself those things. And I'm curious what you

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think about that being in the healing profession?

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Well, I feel forgiveness especially is a very important

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aspect of the healing of self and the healing also, of our

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relationship with ourself. And, and one of those things that I

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find so interesting about this whole concept that you

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introduced, is that for many people, they get stuck in the,

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in the symptoms, you know, in the symptom of I'm feeling

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depressed and feeling insecure, or I'm feeling down on myself

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and I love your cat there in the background walking around.

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Thank you. She loves being in interviews. Oh yes, alertly my

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cats do that too. And all that sweet.

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And you know and so that you with the psycho astrology also

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help people to really go beyond the symptoms of the emotions

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because in our society, we are often so focused on Well, I am

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anxious, that's what I need to focus on. Or I am someone who

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has struggled with low self esteem. That's what I focus on

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it. And we are not going to what's actually underneath that,

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you know, of course, we can always chase the symptoms we can

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always try to, you know, make ourselves feel a victim of our

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emotions and we're not seeing them really as just little

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messenger that tells us hey, there is a core belief there is

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a core wound. That is really the origin of what you're feeling

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your feelings are not wrong. similar to ours being a map. I

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think our feelings need to be seen as maps to So, I feel like

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you know, being able to forgive ourselves also for how we feel

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and realize there is nothing wrong with our feelings. It's

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just something something that, you know, connects you to

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something deeper, is a part of the journey that I'm teaching my

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clients and that I have been on as well, because it's, I think

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it is a way to find back to wholeness, which ultimately what

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healing is about. But we talked about my, you know, the core

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wounds of, or the Chiron core wounds of the Pisces, what other

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examples do you have that, you know, what other signs and core

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wounds

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are work with, you know, one that I think is interesting that

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I've been working with clients recently that have this

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placement of Chiron in the sign of Gemini. And that speaks to a

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core wounding slash vulnerability again, on that

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spectrum, having to do with empathetic attunement. And

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that's just a fancy way of saying that when you were

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growing up, there was this Miss attunement to your emotional

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needs. And it left you feeling like people didn't understand

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you, that you were often misunderstood. And it's so

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frustrating to be misunderstood, stood or feel like you're not

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being heard, I think all of us have had that experience from

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time to time where someone doesn't get us or we say

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something, and we believe it to have been quite clear, but

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someone else hears a completely different, has a different take.

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And it's it causes a miscommunication, that then you

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have to clean up and there's some frustration and, and even

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like, you know, how did you even think that's what I said it

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wasn't. But for the person with the Chiron in Gemini, it's a

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really profound and pervading experience of being

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misunderstood. And this person might have even been bullied,

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when they were younger, or conversely, they were the ones

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to do the bullying, they might have been bullied in their

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family and with their siblings, or bullied their siblings. And

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so as they're an adult in the world, having this you know,

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sense of being misunderstood, they might either close down and

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not really share their emotions at that deep level for fear of,

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of those things happening again. And so they're feeling kind of

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depressed and cut off from their authentic selves. And you know,

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for for just not showing up not being authentic are saying what

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they truly think or feel. Or conversely, in the shadow of

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Chiron in Gemini, they they're perceived as being that no at

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all, kind of person. And again, that's really painful when

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people think you're a No at all. Because, you know, 10 out of 10

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times, you really just want to share something of value and

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importance to listeners, but the way it's coming across again,

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it's like this not being empathetically attuned to. So to

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heal that placement, it has to do with, you know, gaining some

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other communication skills. And first and foremost, identifying

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what you most deeply need. And it's centered around really

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being heard, really being seen, you know, being valued for who

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you are. And it starts by valuing yourself, valuing your

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own contribution, your own thoughts, your own, what's

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important to you matters, knowing, you know, at your

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deepest core value and worth that what you have to say

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matters. And then progressively, taking a few trusted even one

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trusted person, and working on this together, and even

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exercises like you know, saying something and then asking, What

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did you hear? What did you hear me say? And it's a communication

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skill, as you know, when couples and relationships sharing some

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of your deepest needs and then checking in and saying, What did

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you hear and then mirroring back, if that's accurate or not,

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and kind of tweaking it till both people are really hearing

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and empathetically attuning to each other? So I just think

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that's a really interesting placement to work with.

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Yeah, that's an I think that's a very common one, I certainly

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have plenty of examples in my clientele who had been

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struggling with that and, and I think that that lack of empathy

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and the lack of empathy with yourself is something also that

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you know, many of us maybe not even in that placement, but

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beyond that are struggling with and it's one of your, you know,

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kind of pillars of healing with forgiveness, this empathy. And I

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wonder how do you help people to feel more empathetic with

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himself?

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Well, I think it starts with the work that we do Dr. Freeman that

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we empathize to our clients experience. And for you

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listening or watching it's, it's most simply put as putting

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yourself in their shoes, suspending your own judgment,

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suspending your own experience of reality, and really just

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trying to feel into often I'll just close my eyes, as someone's

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talking, be it a client or a friend, and just really just Try

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to imagine, you know, myself, if I was having those thoughts if I

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was having that experience, okay, I can see how they would

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feel this way. And it's really a true just temporarily setting

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aside your own paradigm and beliefs in life, to just feel

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into this other person's experience, because we all make

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sense in the context of what we've lived. And when you have

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that ability to put yourself in someone else's life experience,

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to understand why they're showing up or not showing up a

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certain way. That's how you really connect through empathy.

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It's like a superpower to me, it's not meaning that you're

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abandoning your belief system or changing your mind. But just for

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a few moments, you're actually seeing what it feels like to be

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in this other person's experience. And I know that if

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we did more of that, our world would be such a kinder plays

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such a more collaborative place, there would be less competition,

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there would be more cooperation and understanding. And so I

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invite you to do that in your life today, be it with your

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spouse, your partner, your friends, your clients, the

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person at the grocery store, just to practice some empathetic

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listening to really listen, and not be thinking of what you're

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going to say next. And if you're on the spot, you can even say,

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Hey, I was really deeply listening to you. So I need a

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moment to gather my thoughts about this, you know, and people

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will be maybe taken aback at first, but in a really positive

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way, that you're actually listening, that you're, you're

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asking questions and care to hear, it can really enhance and

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expand all of your relationships to practice this.

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And I think we can probably really learn a lot from just

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feeling where other people come from, rather than just having

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our own judgments. But what I wonder is the empathy with our

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own self, because I think often we are so disconnected from

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ourselves that we don't even feel our feelings, we don't even

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have a sense of this is where I came from. Because we are, you

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know, either in our own judgments with ourselves, or we

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are believing that we have to be different, or we should be not

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this or that. So how do you help people to get more empathetic

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with himself, you know, self compassion, self empathy,

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whatever you call it.

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Yeah, and it's the same process is you would with another, but

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you're just imagining yourself, you're really taking time to

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slow down. And for some people that actually might be there,

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they're so in their feelings, that it's like you're blinded by

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your emotions. And we all know what that feels like. It's like

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you're so in this experience of I think anger can be like that

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depression can be like that anxiety can be like that, where

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you're just so in the experience of it, that you lose

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objectivity. And it's such a powerful experience that we

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often want to just shut it down and, and maybe medicate too

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soon, for instance, before going into asking some questions that

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my book offers you like, what, what is happening right now for

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myself? What is triggering this feeling? When have I felt this

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before? Is this familiar and to slow down your reactivity by

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tuning in by going deeper, or being curious about this emotion

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that you're having? Like is if you're curious, like on this

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journey to understand more, and it's by slowing down and being

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with that feeling, instead of wanting to eradicate it,

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suppress it, medicate it, drink it away, drug it away, you know,

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have seek peak experiences, to kind of take you out of

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yourself. And while you know, all those things can be enjoyed

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in moderation. You know, it's really about leaning into first

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what does this emotion want me to learn? Because it's

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communication. Like you said earlier, Dr. Friedman, these

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emotions are trying to get us to notice something within

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ourselves. And so to take some time there can really illuminate

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something that is actually going to make you happier and

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healthier and feel better, if you can, if you can go there

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with yourself.

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Yeah, often doing exactly. The softening with ourselves. And I

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just talked to a client today who was really struggling with

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anxiety for a long time and in every time she felt anxiety, she

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basically wanted to run away from herself. I think a lot of

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people can relate to that feeling of overwhelm and it is

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too much but when she learned to just soften her gaze and the

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anxiety and understand more, this is actually where it comes

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from. This is what triggered it. This is the child inside of me

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that was obviously in that moment, wanting to please

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someone and didn't get the response he hoped to get and

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that created anxiety and fear of abandonment and everything

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changes and that's why I find like you know, your your

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placements and your Chiron effects are so helpful because

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it does really pull To that, what we need to ask what we need

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to look at in regards to understanding better, why we are

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feeling and why we are thinking and why we are acting the way we

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have been acting and so very, very helpful tool for people to

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have now people can actually do the test, I think on your

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website to find more specifically, their their

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placement. So how do they get there? What's your website's?

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Yes,

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sure, my website is no law therapy.com and ol@herapy.com.

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It stands for New Orleans, Los Angeles therapy. That's the two

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places that I live. And I'm at Nola therapy on Instagram,

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Facebook and YouTube as well if you want to follow me and reach

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out and connect there. And it just simply takes having your

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date of birth and place of birth to find the sign your Chiron is

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in. And there's in fact a chart in the book to do that. There's

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also an interactive website at Nola therapy.com. If you click

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on the button that says order my book, it'll take you to the

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interactive plugin where you can enter your your birth

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information, you don't have to buy the book to do that. There's

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actually a synopsis about the book so you can see if it's for

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you some links to order as well. But you can find out your Chiron

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before even buying it. And and you know, see what that's about

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for you more specifically. But it's been such a good tool, Dr.

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Friedman, for even in my own life, I've been a therapist over

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20 years, I've been in therapy almost the same amount of time.

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And I wrote the book because I felt frustrated with myself. And

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with the process of like, oh my gosh, do I really have to think

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about that experience from my childhood again, like, Are you

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kidding me? Like do I have to keep going back to the story of

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the problem. And so it was through meditation that I just

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asked, you know, the universe, Universal Mind, God, Spirit,

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whatever you call that energy. I just said like, what's next,

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like what is beyond this. And that's when I started to hear

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Chiron which I knew loosely was a reference and Carl Jung's work

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about the collective unconscious. And as I felt pride

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in led to research more, I saw how Chiron connects to our

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patterns. When Freud talked about the repetition compulsion,

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and the object relation is talked about this patterning in

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our relationships that comes from our childhood template of

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how we were loved or not loved enough, for example. And I

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started to see these really profound connections between

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this Chiron placement and psychology and spirituality. So

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you know, that's where I got excited, because it's helped me

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to heal my sense of value and worth, Chiron and Aries, and

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then really be able to offer this to others that you can do

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on your own or bring it to your therapist bring it to the person

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you're working with, to just really hone in on the main area

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of vulnerability that your patterns have been sourced from.

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So your pattern is self worth.

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It's been this sense of value and worth that just I know about

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that outwardly, I've had successes and things that I

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really cared about manifest come to fruition, yet, I didn't feel

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like like I felt on that performance wheel, like I have

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to do more, you know, it's never enough, like this constant of

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achievement. And yet, I wouldn't allow myself to just delight in

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the achievement and be like, oh, like, I'm enough like that, if I

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never do another thing, it's plenty. And my value and worth

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doesn't have to come from this constant, you know, performance

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and achievement and, and offering value that it's okay to

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just do nothing. And you're still valuable. You know, if

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you're sitting there watching TV, or, you know, like just

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being quiet with yourself, and I think a lot of people can relate

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to that hamster wheel, it's often called of performance and

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you just get exhausted. And for me, it's been about, you know,

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feeling loved sourcing love, just from my beingness not my

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doing Ness.

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And so your formation that you're using is

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things like, I'm enough, I'm good enough as I am. That even

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in the wellness in the trip, personal transformation space

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and the higher consciousness community, you know, the key to

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the pursuit of healing of growth of like, oh my gosh, there's

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always more like these layers to discover. And certainly that's

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true. Yet on the other hand, to really balance that with a deep

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sense of I'm okay just as I am. And like pausing like more

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mindfulness. Mindfulness has been a wonderful practice with

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meditation in my life to just really be in the moment In The

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Now, and like, except without judgment, just like this

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unconditional love and this presence of the moment like that

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we're having that this is perfect. This is plenty. And

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like, you know, to really learn to appreciate and just have

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bring a little more stillness and presence to each day of my

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life and, you know, appreciate the flowers, the grass, you

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know, really like noticing your surroundings, even though you

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might have lived in them for 1520 30 years, kind of fresh

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eyes, you know, on your environments. And I'm curious

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what you think about that?

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Well, I can so much relate to it, because I certainly was an

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overachiever all my life, based on also some core wounds of not

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being told I'm good enough or smart enough or, and I think,

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for me, the value of achievement got replaced by the value of

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peace, really being at peace. And once I realize it feels

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actually so much better to be in peace, than always having to

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next you know, next hoop to jump through or next goal and next

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mountain top to reach. Mate, a lot of sense to me, at some

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point, I realized it's not sustainable to have another

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doctor read another book, another whatever, you just have

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to really realize, what is it for? What am I really looking

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for? And so yeah, it's living up to my name peace men, but not

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for others necessarily only, but also for myself, made a big

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difference. And so I think, you know, like you said, changing

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our beliefs, which is also changing our value system,

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changing our preferences, is really what healing is all

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about. But one thing I wanted to ask you as a last question,

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there is also Chiron, obviously affecting the whole planet.

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Since you know, you talked about these different time periods

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where Chiron has been present. And what do you feel like is

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right now or the planet dealing with? What's the global Chiron

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effect that we are right now in?

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Oh, that's a good question, Dr. freemen, you know, right now,

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Chiron is in Aries, and it entered Aries, I think, a year

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or two ago, I'd have to check that. So it'll be in Chiron will

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be in Aries for the next, like, say, six years. And so that

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speaks to a core wounding a vulnerability in the areas of

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value and worth. And I think we've been seeing that played

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out. Globally, and I'm just going to say in the way, you

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know, some that countries don't take care of their own

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inhabitants, I think we see that with health care, you know,

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like, not being accessible affordably in the US, I can only

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speak for, in my experience, but you know, I like and here in the

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US veterans, the high suicide rate, the homelessness rate of

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veterans, and there's not adequate services for them so

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that they have housing and mental health treatment, and

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such. And here, the schools in urban and rural areas, don't

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have books, or some of them don't even have plumbing. And

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it's like this, you know, value and worth of our own people and

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really needing to strengthen that. And so you can also pull

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up the birth chart of your relationship of your LLC of your

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business, and find out the Chiron placement, which has been

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so interesting. And therefore find out the area of

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vulnerability of your business, for instance, or in your

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relationship, it will help you understand whether you choose

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your first date, or the date you got married, I would check both

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and see which Chiron placement resonates more for kind of the

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patterns, the arguments you might have, or the places you

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both feel frustrated, and there might be an impasse, you often

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come to, it can help really open that up, so that you have more

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compassion for each other. And in your business. It might

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reveal, for instance, that you need to really read contracts

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more carefully if the Chiron of your business is in Libra, that

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has to do with professional and personal contracts. So it can be

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really illuminating to just play and enter dates, you know of

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your relationship, your business and see what comes up so that

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you can just have more awareness.

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Absolutely. And the beauty is even if something is not totally

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in the moment resonating with you, because you feel like no,

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that's not my problem. These core wounds are just so in

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general, affecting most of us that working on them, you will

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always gain something from it just like the core wound of self

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or this feeling like you know, you have to be the caretaker of

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the pleaser or the core wound of anything. These are things that

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we all somewhere dealing with because it's a part of the human

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condition. So, don't even think like, oh, I won a Chiron

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placement, just go through them all, because all of them can

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really gain for you a greater sense of awareness, a greater

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sense of empowerment and ultimately make you feel more

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whole and complete.

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I appreciate that Dr. Friedman and I've even used my own book

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when last year I experienced a person that I felt abandoned by

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them. And I turned to the chapter Chiron in the sign of

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cancer, core wounding by abandonment, and I was like,

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What did I say about coping with abandonment? And it really

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helped me to go through to remember, this is what I can

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tell myself, this is how I can soothe you know, my inner self,

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because often it's the self soothing we need when something

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happens that is unexpected or hurtful or disappointing. So I

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encourage you to definitely read all of the placements because

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once you've lived any life, you know, we've all experienced an

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abandonment of neglect. Not being empathetically attuned to

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or feeling cut off from community like where's our

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tribe, Chiron in Aquarius? And so I find it really helpful to

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pick up what I just need a little boost or refresher like

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how do I cope with this? So hang that.

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So people can find your book, I guess, everywhere. It's called

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the Chiron effect. And they can find you at again Nola

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therapy.com.

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That's correct. And you can order it, you know, at the big

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sellers like like Amazon, Barnes and noble.com. But even in your

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local bookstore, if you bring them my book, since it's through

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a publisher, they can order it for you from my publisher, if

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you'd like to shop local, like here in New Orleans, there's

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this wonderful blue Cypress bookstore and they carry my book

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so even if my book isn't being carried you can ask that they

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carry it which I would appreciate so much as well if

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you wrote a review because the reviews help you know the work

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get in front of more people. So I'd really be delighted if

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people were led to review

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Well, I certainly appreciated your book very much and I

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certainly will continue to recommend it to people thank you

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is a very beautiful well I have so much wisdom and and practical

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tools which I really appreciate. Well, thank you Lisa so much for

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being on good real and for bringing in this work that is

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born I think from you know that beautiful meditation and

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reaching out to the universe, which is ideal because I think

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it aligns us with our greater purpose. So happy that you did

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that.

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Thank you, Dr. Friedman. This has really been a delight to

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have time with you and our audience. Thank you.