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Welcome to "Mindful You" with your host, Alan Carroll. In this episode, Alan engages in a thought-provoking dialogue with special guest Nicole Kerr. Together, they explore strategies for reducing psychological suffering and trauma, delving into the profound realm of spiritual transformation. The conversation highlights the benefits of the Neuro Emotional Technique and challenges conventional beliefs by discussing the absence of hell in the afterlife. Alan and Nicole guide listeners through the liberating process of letting go of fears and worries, emphasizing that true freedom follows such release. The episode provides insights into specific things one can let go of to achieve this sense of liberation, while also touching on the importance of recollecting fragments of the soul. Throughout, both host and guest stress the significance of awareness as the key to understanding the complexities of life. Join Alan Carroll and Nicole Kerr on this enlightening journey toward mindfulness and freedom of the mind and soul.
About The Guest:
Award-winning health expert and best-selling author, Nicole Kerr, has appeared on CNN, PBS, CBS, ABC, the Food Channel, and a host of other TV and radio shows to share her unique perspective on wellness, nutrition and spirituality.
For the past 30 years, Nicole has worked in all sectors of society, including government, non-profit, military, academia, healthcare institutions and hospitals, corporate settings, and private consultation. Today she is pursuing her vocation as an Eternality Advocate and public speaker. She is a disabled veteran, registered dietitian, neuro-emotional technique (NET) practitioner but her favorite credential is BTDT - Been There, Done That!
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About Alan:
Alan Carroll is an Educational Psychologist who specializes in Transpersonal Psychology. He founded Alan Carroll & Associates 30 years ago and before that, he was a Senior Sales Training Consultant for 10 years at Digital Equipment Corporation. He has dedicated his life in search of mindfulness tools that can be used by everyone (young and old) to transform their ability to speak at a professional level, as well as, to reduce the psychological suffering caused by the misidentification with our ego and reconnect to the vast transcendent dimension of consciousness that lies just on the other side of the thoughts we think and in between the words we speak.
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Welcome back to the mindful U podcast. My name
Alan Carroll:is Alan Carroll. And I'm your host, as we journey together,
Alan Carroll:meeting fellow travelers on the path on the path of building a
Alan Carroll:bridge between the egoic identity and the more mindful
Alan Carroll:identity of the of the being. And today's guest, Nicole Coker.
Alan Carroll:She has a, a an incredible, incredible story. She has
Alan Carroll:experienced the Near Death Experiences called nd e near
Alan Carroll:death experiences several times. And when she has passed over in
Alan Carroll:those near death experiences, which are recorded medically in
Alan Carroll:the hospital, she makes contact with guides and spirits who are
Alan Carroll:there and absolute love and support. And the incredible
Alan Carroll:crash that occurred when she was a late teenager at the United
Alan Carroll:States Air Force Academy, and the traumatic things that it did
Alan Carroll:to her body. And she wanted to leave. And every time she wanted
Alan Carroll:to leave the people on the other side said, Hey, no, it's not
Alan Carroll:your time. Gotta come back and, and be of service. He has
Alan Carroll:written a book. And the book title is you are deathless. So
Alan Carroll:death is like an illusion. There's something there beyond
Alan Carroll:death. She has a neuro emotional technique that she's going to
Alan Carroll:talk to us about, on how you can also make contact and connect
Alan Carroll:and relax your own body. And maybe even make contact with
Alan Carroll:that near death experience that you don't have to get near death
Alan Carroll:experience. But you can begin to taste what it's like to spend
Alan Carroll:more time in that mindful state of consciousness by tuning in to
Alan Carroll:your body and being present in this moment. So I'm just excited
Alan Carroll:to be able to share with you today, Nicole Kerr and have her
Alan Carroll:share her story with us. It's quite inspirational. So please
Alan Carroll:welcome the call to the mindful you podcast. Nicole, welcome to
Alan Carroll:the mindful you podcast. exciting to be see you today.
Alan Carroll:And I'm excited about our conversation about near death
Alan Carroll:experiences. And you're somebody who's had one of those. And, and
Alan Carroll:one of the questions that I I usually ask the guest is that
Alan Carroll:there's always a story, there's always an event, there's always
Alan Carroll:a moment in which you woke up and realize that what you were
Alan Carroll:thinking before or how you've structured things before is not
Alan Carroll:the truth. There's another reality. But most most people
Alan Carroll:are including myself, of course, we're stuck in a reality. And
Alan Carroll:we're trying to bang the door to figure out a way of opening it
Alan Carroll:up and say, oh, okay, there's enough. I know this place
Alan Carroll:existed. However, I was stuck down here. And it sounds like,
Alan Carroll:you know, in a more tragic way you penetrated through the door,
Alan Carroll:and you got to experience that. And boy, I'd love to hear that.
Alan Carroll:That's that story. So go take the mic. Have fun with it.
Nicole Kerr:I am delighted to be on your show. And I'm very
Nicole Kerr:grateful to be on it and to share my story. And I hope it
Nicole Kerr:helps your listeners, because I didn't think that I was going to
Nicole Kerr:die at age 19. In fact, nobody does. And so your show mindful,
Nicole Kerr:you know now mindful about death. And I know that sounds we
Nicole Kerr:think of death as gloom and doom and morbid. But we are all going
Nicole Kerr:to die. It is the only shared experience that everybody in
Nicole Kerr:this planet is going to have used to be death and taxes. But
Nicole Kerr:now we see people getting out of taxes. But this happened to me.
Nicole Kerr:My sophomore year at the United States Air Force Academy, and I
Nicole Kerr:was getting a ride back with we were at a squadron event and I
Nicole Kerr:just asked to senior to have you know, can you take me back to
Nicole Kerr:the academy? Everybody else's left and he's like Sure. And he
Nicole Kerr:wanted to stop and have a couple of beers and I was raised in the
Nicole Kerr:south the Bible Belt very conservative my dad I'd never
Nicole Kerr:been on a date he did not believe in Dating. So now I go
Nicole Kerr:to school with 4000 Guys and his his, his rules to me are no
Nicole Kerr:smoking, no drinking and no dating and essence no fun at all
Nicole Kerr:and okay. So on this particular ride home, he said, let's stop
Nicole Kerr:and have a couple of beers. I was like, oh, okay, I'm gonna
Nicole Kerr:have some fun in my life, you know, we want to have a
Nicole Kerr:cigarette. Oh, sure, you know, and, and then he wanted to stop
Nicole Kerr:and make out and I was like, Oh, we're getting into some
Nicole Kerr:territory. I don't want to I don't know you. So we got back
Nicole Kerr:up on the road again. And then that was the last thing I
Nicole Kerr:remember is getting back on the road. And then I woke up in the
Nicole Kerr:ICU at Penrose community hospital the next morning, and
Nicole Kerr:my mind actually had amnesia I was, I blanked out from that
Nicole Kerr:moment of getting back in the car, to waking up in the ICU.
Nicole Kerr:For 19 years, my memory was only a bright, white light. And if
Nicole Kerr:anybody knows anything about near death experiences, that is
Nicole Kerr:the most common symptom or experience that people share, is
Nicole Kerr:this tunnel, this bright white light that they see or go
Nicole Kerr:through? And that's all I remembered. And I remembered
Nicole Kerr:asking my surgeon was that the operating room lights? Did I
Nicole Kerr:wake up? At some point? She said, No, you were totally
Nicole Kerr:unconscious. I was pronounced dead at the scene of the
Nicole Kerr:accident. And I know this is audio, but I'm going to send you
Nicole Kerr:the picture. And maybe you can put it in the show notes.
Nicole Kerr:Because the picture describes 1000 words. It's also on my
Nicole Kerr:website. That was a 1965 Corvette convertible. That was
Nicole Kerr:the passenger side. And as the trooper said, that is
Nicole Kerr:unsurvivable. And for me, it was unsurvivable. For the driver, he
Nicole Kerr:got out with the minor injuries turned out he was drunk. I did
Nicole Kerr:not know that. And needless to say, I was pronounced dead at
Nicole Kerr:the scene. The first responders got there between 10 and 13
Nicole Kerr:minutes after a 911 call was made. This is out in Monument
Nicole Kerr:Colorado, the Air Force Academy is in Colorado Springs. And so
Nicole Kerr:when the first responder got there, they had a blanket
Nicole Kerr:covering me up he took it off, could not get any vitals on me.
Nicole Kerr:And the only thing left for him to do was something called a
Nicole Kerr:sternal knuckle press, which is designed to elicit pain in the
Nicole Kerr:body. So they go up your sternum with their knuckles, and it is
Nicole Kerr:very painful. And the only sign of life they got out of me was
Nicole Kerr:my right pupil dilated. You think about that? No, no pulse,
Nicole Kerr:no nothing. And at that moment, my soul which had already left
Nicole Kerr:my body, on impact, when I went through the windshield and went
Nicole Kerr:up into the air, I later remembered my energy body
Nicole Kerr:cracking open and my soul left and went to the other side.
Nicole Kerr:Okay, I had a conversation on the other side, which I'll tell
Nicole Kerr:you about. But then they told me I was coming back. So in order
Nicole Kerr:for my soul to come back into my body, it came in through my
Nicole Kerr:eyes. Have you ever heard of that saying our eyes are the
Nicole Kerr:window to our souls? Yes, ma'am. I
Alan Carroll:certainly have. That is exactly
Unknown:what I'm talking about. Okay, so it came back in at that
Unknown:moment, he was able to get a blood pressure on me of 60 over
Unknown:zero now that's still almost death, but it's better than
Unknown:nothing. They got me in the ambulance put these masked pants
Unknown:on me which forced all the blood up to my organs because I had
Unknown:lost so much blood that I was bleeding from the balloons at
Unknown:that point. They did CPR on me the entire 20 minutes to get me
Unknown:to the nearest Community Hospital. Okay, if you know
Unknown:about CPR, CPR to be done for 20 minutes is a long time for a
Unknown:person. Okay, so they got me into the AOR. And that night,
Unknown:they just tried to stabilize me and it took them all night to do
Unknown:that. I had massive injuries. I spent four months in the
Unknown:hospital six major operations, I coded on the second operation.
Unknown:They were going in for an emergency surgery. And on the
Unknown:way to the operating room, they were having to do CPR, I was
Unknown:already starting to leave again. And I got into the O R and my
Unknown:heart just gave out and so they called the time of death. This
Unknown:was two weeks after the accident. So I what I'm saying
Unknown:here is I had multiple near death experiences. It wasn't
Unknown:just the one with the accident. And in that one I tried to leave
Unknown:again I wanted to go back to that white light that was Oh,
Unknown:beautiful and just, you know, loving kindness, peace, no pain,
Unknown:no suffering, no negativity, I was trying to get back there.
Unknown:And my angel came back again and said, Nope, you're getting back
Unknown:in this body. And I knew it was going to be painful and
Unknown:suffering. And that's why I didn't want to keep coming back.
Unknown:And so I did my heart. After they call time of death until my
Unknown:parents I passed away. Two minutes later, my heart started
Unknown:up again, on its own. So these are things like just like my
Unknown:soul coming back in these are supernatural, mystical,
Unknown:spiritual things that we have no medical, scientific reasons why
Unknown:these things happened. And I know that the other side beyond
Unknown:the veil, the spiritual side is real, and it works on our
Unknown:behalf. And then I had one more near death experience in the
Unknown:hospital from my lungs, filling up with fluid, and so I was
Unknown:suffocating. And so once again, they couldn't kept draining my
Unknown:lungs, they kept filling up, and I just was like, I'm out of
Unknown:here. So I just left my body. And then they finally gave me a
Unknown:diuretic, and I peed off three quarts of fluid. And my, it all
Unknown:started, you know, coming back again. But it ain't but my
Unknown:doctor who is at six years old now. And I just interviewed her,
Unknown:she remembers that. And she just said, you know, you were always
Unknown:in a life and death situation for the first seven weeks in
Unknown:ICU, and then you started to stabilize and get better, but
Unknown:you still had a couple of more scares. So it was a long
Unknown:recovery for me. My mother did come out and stay with me. And
Unknown:when the doctor told her I needed mental health help, she
Unknown:looked at him and said, Jesus is our psychologist, Nicole is
Unknown:going to be just fine. And I have to tell your audience, that
Unknown:was not true. Okay, I needed help. I went through a massive
Unknown:trauma. And Jesus never came down and sat at the sofa and
Unknown:said, Nicole, let's talk about your PTSD, your depression, your
Unknown:anxiety, your need to control things, all of these mental
Unknown:health health symptoms that I was having. And so I will tell
Unknown:you, as a result of not getting help, at the beginning, I
Unknown:developed an eating disorder. Okay, compulsive eating is what
Unknown:it was known back in the 80s. But now it's binge eating
Unknown:disorder. So trauma, trauma, untreated, is going to develop
Unknown:and a negative physical response in your body is going to try to
Unknown:cope with it, but it's going to be in a negative way. And so it
Unknown:took me 20 years to work through that eating disorder and get to
Unknown:the root of the pain, and the self hate and everything that
Unknown:was tied into it. And so it's not just when I look at my
Unknown:crash, and going to the oversight to the other side, my
Unknown:book talks about my journey of 40 years now that I have lived
Unknown:with the having to go through all these different phases of
Unknown:recovery, and the physical realm, and the mental realm and
Unknown:the emotional realm. And now I have been in the spiritual
Unknown:realm, really connecting to my soul to my guides to my angels.
Unknown:And there is a thing that is real called soul loss. And that
Unknown:is when your soul as a result of trauma fragments. And I didn't
Unknown:know about this until 2019, when I went to see a shaman. And he
Unknown:said, Nicole, we need to do what we call a soul retrieval and
Unknown:bring these fragmented parts back together. Because every
Unknown:time you get triggered and you get in fear, you have another
Unknown:part of you that just flies away. So you're not staying
Unknown:grounded. You don't want to be here. And so there is I can talk
Unknown:a lot more about that. But it's a real thing. And unfortunately,
Unknown:we have 22 veterans commit suicide each day in the United
Unknown:States. And I think a big part of this is this soul loss park
Unknown:that they go and they're trained to kill, they go over to the
Unknown:theater and they get into you know, war and they kill people.
Unknown:They see people kill they see their their mates killed, and
Unknown:they don't know from a soul part, how to reconnect
Unknown:themselves back and get an alliance Meant to heal that
Unknown:wound it just like a flesh wound needs healing, a mental health
Unknown:wound needs healing, a soul wound needs healing as well in
Unknown:order for you to come back together in alignment.
Alan Carroll:Wow. That's quite a, that's quite a, a, an
Alan Carroll:adventure tale, a tale of adventure, a tragedy, a, an out
Alan Carroll:of the tragedy out of the mud comes the comes, the lotus
Alan Carroll:flower comes the blooming of the light. And now you have paid the
Alan Carroll:price for a lot of people who don't want to pay that price.
Alan Carroll:But you've paid that price psychologically, physically,
Alan Carroll:emotionally and spiritually in order to attain a level of
Alan Carroll:awareness that gives you credibility and trying to
Alan Carroll:support people. And Okay guys, here we are now, what can we
Alan Carroll:what can we do to reduce the psychological suffering that you
Alan Carroll:are experiencing, and only if you could connect to that space
Alan Carroll:of a divinity? Will you have the insight to realize the the Unity
Alan Carroll:rather than the separation that exists here, beyond the
Alan Carroll:illusion, so to speak of what you think is here. And so it's
Alan Carroll:wonderful, because you've gone, you've done a dance, you've done
Alan Carroll:a dance with the with the divinity and the physical, the
Alan Carroll:divinity and the physical, the divinity and the physical. And
Alan Carroll:that's a wonderful dance, to be able to teach people how to take
Alan Carroll:those to take those steps.
Unknown:That's why I say I went through from a near death
Unknown:experience to spiritually transformative experience. And
Unknown:when you undergo a transformation, it's not meant
Unknown:to be easy, okay. And it's meant to be a time in your life, where
Unknown:you're looking at limiting beliefs that are keeping you
Unknown:stuck, and keeping you from being able to be the person that
Unknown:you were born to be. We all are born with spiritual amnesia, we
Unknown:have forgotten where we came from, and who we are, that we
Unknown:are these infinite, powerful, limitless, radiant, glorious and
Unknown:eternal beings, meaning that soul part of us goes on and on
Unknown:and on upon death, yes, your physical body is going to decay,
Unknown:but your soul is everlasting. It goes on, and when I remembered
Unknown:my crash 19 years later, okay, so I just got on with life, and
Unknown:went to work at the Centers for Disease Control, I got into
Unknown:nutrition, thinking I could fix myself from my eating disorder.
Unknown:Guess what I couldn't. And I think a lot of us get into
Unknown:different fields of helping people because we're trying to
Unknown:really help ourselves, you know, and you realize, wait a minute,
Unknown:food isn't the issue. It's a psychological issue. It's a
Unknown:emotionally based issue. And I just didn't know any of that
Unknown:back then. And it's taken me a long journey to figure this out
Unknown:pretty much on my own, and just going to different practitioners
Unknown:and trying Eastern medicine modalities, and just all kinds
Unknown:of different things. And the one modality that I found that
Unknown:really helped me with the emotions was neuro emotional
Unknown:technique, which is called any tea. It's a mind body stress
Unknown:relief technique. And it's been out there for about 35 years or
Unknown:so. But it really helps to get at the stuck patterns that we
Unknown:get triggered with in the present that we are unaware of
Unknown:this is all going on unconsciously. And we're
Unknown:reacting to something like we did as a six year old or as a 20
Unknown:year old because we never resolved it from an emotional
Unknown:standpoint. back then. So we're playing it out present day, like
Unknown:we were then instead of getting to the root issue of, oh my
Unknown:gosh, why am I sabotaging myself, I know I need to eat
Unknown:healthy, but I just got triggered because my husband
Unknown:said something about my body image. And now meaning applying
Unknown:a Ben and Jerry's as a coping mechanism, you know, and we all
Unknown:do it. We all have unconscious suppressed emotions that we
Unknown:never process. And so it'll come up from time to time and we need
Unknown:to work through it instead of just putting ourselves in
Unknown:another trance through eating or drinking or shopping or binging
Unknown:Netflix, whatever, to not deal with life and not to explore and
Unknown:to awaken to who you truly are and to get at those unconscious
Unknown:limiting belief patterns that are sabotaging you. And one for
Unknown:me, is like my idea. Kennedy is a people pleaser. I grew up that
Unknown:way, I wanted to please everybody be the good girl. So I
Unknown:would be loved and, you know, accepted. Well guess what, as an
Unknown:adult, that doesn't quite work for you anymore. And it's a hard
Unknown:one to let go of, because you don't want to I grew up, don't
Unknown:hurt your Mother, don't make your mother angry, or it gets
Unknown:your father angry, you know? And so what do you do with those
Unknown:emotions, when you're feeling angry towards your mother, or
Unknown:you feel like your mother hurt you, you just have to step on
Unknown:them. Well, guess what the body remembers, there's a great book
Unknown:out called the Body Keeps the Score by Dr. Bessel, Vander
Unknown:cough, and it's about trauma and how your body records
Unknown:everything. So you need to be able to use your voice and speak
Unknown:your truth, even if it hurts your mother, you know, and these
Unknown:are some of the things that are really hard for us to do today.
Unknown:But when you put it in a, I feel that when you did this, you
Unknown:know, it's not blaming, it's owning your own feelings and
Unknown:emotions, instead of always being defensive or not even
Unknown:wanting to engage with them. Because they're, you know,
Unknown:there's no sense in it, because they're going to feel hurt or
Unknown:criticized or judged. So that's really, you know, an important
Unknown:part of this is to start your own journey, if you haven't
Unknown:already to start questioning these belief systems that were
Unknown:handed down, usually, generationally. And religion is
Unknown:one of the ones that I had to let go up organized religion,
Unknown:because your concepts or beliefs about God shape your
Unknown:relationship to death. Okay. And when I was 19, having been
Unknown:raised Southern Baptist, that's my father, my mother was
Unknown:Lutheran. Okay, we spent a lot of time in church, and both
Unknown:churches had a dual concept of God, God was loving and
Unknown:protective, and he was there for you. And if you prayed, you
Unknown:would get what you wanted. But on the other hand, there are all
Unknown:these rules, in addition to the 10 commandments, okay, each
Unknown:religion had their own rules. And if you disobeyed those
Unknown:rules, you are a sinner, you were bad, you are going to hell.
Unknown:And when I people asked me today, Nikola, is there a hell I
Unknown:go? Hell, no. Terry, L is on earth. Okay, the suffering and
Unknown:the pain, and the misery that goes on in your earthly
Unknown:existence, that is hell, there is no hell, when your soul
Unknown:passes on, just like there is not going to be any judgment
Unknown:that may be a new one for you or your audience. But there is no
Unknown:judgment. On the other side. There's a life review, but
Unknown:you're not going to be judged. So what I had to do was get out
Unknown:of this concept that God was a vending machine. And instead
Unknown:reconceptualized, God, after my memory came back, realizing my
Unknown:experience with God, on the other side was love. Pure,
Unknown:unfiltered, unconditional love. And being wrapped in that cocoon
Unknown:of light was like floating in outer space as an outer
Unknown:astronaut, you know, it was just soothing. It was comforting. And
Unknown:it was just breathtaking, you know. And the beauty of it the
Unknown:colors, there's more colors in the world than what they label
Unknown:in the Crayola Color box, you know, or the Sherman Williams
Unknown:paint colors. There's so many more colors in the world. And
Unknown:the music, I mean, it is just
Unknown:there's so many positive things about death and the other side.
Unknown:And I think our society has done a great disservice by creating
Unknown:this culture of death denial. And we don't want to think about
Unknown:death. Because it just is like, oh, that just doesn't feel good.
Unknown:It's not giving me a happy feeling. But if we can shift the
Unknown:worldview and our vibration, and maybe our cultural
Unknown:misunderstandings surrounding death, we can get to a place of
Unknown:peace, and not fear death. And so many people do fear death.
Unknown:unconsciously. They don't, they may say, Oh, I'm not afraid to
Unknown:die. But when the time comes, they really are because they're
Unknown:stuck. And that an old concept, maybe they were raised in with a
Unknown:religion, that if they did something wrong, they were going
Unknown:to be eternally separated from their loved ones. And growing up
Unknown:with that level of fear does so much to harm a child throughout
Unknown:the rest of their life because you are now programming your
Unknown:nervous system. I'm in a fear, activation and worry. And when
Unknown:you're filled with fear and worry, you are not going to have
Unknown:clarity, you are not going to be able to make decisions for
Unknown:yourself that are for your highest and greatest good,
Unknown:because your decisions are coming out of this fight flight
Unknown:freeze part of your brain called the amygdala, instead of your
Unknown:prefrontal cortex, which is the executive decision making part
Unknown:of your brain that can sort out everything and make a logical
Unknown:decision. And that's your parasympathetic says, system
Unknown:coming on board. But when you're in your sympathetic, you're
Unknown:just, you know, reactive all the time. And so many people are in
Unknown:so much fear in this country right now. And it is a low
Unknown:vibration and around the subject of death, it needs to be
Unknown:addressed and brought out and talked about, and that is what I
Unknown:was told on the other side. I call him Casper the Friendly
Unknown:Ghost in my book, because I could get that he was male, I
Unknown:knew that he was young. But I didn't have an identity with
Unknown:him. until a year ago, August, right after my book was
Unknown:released. And then my grandfather, on my father's side
Unknown:came to me and said, I'm your angel. I'm Casper, the Friendly
Unknown:Ghost, it was actually me that came down and lifted you up and
Unknown:took you to the other side. And I was just blown away. Because
Unknown:I, I never, I had heard that a lot of people with nd ease,
Unknown:actually recalled seeing deceased loved ones. But I had
Unknown:never been able to connect anybody on the other side until
Unknown:my grandfather came to me. In August of the year, year passed.
Unknown:And that's the time that he passed away at 58 years old from
Unknown:a massive heart attack. And here I was 58 years old. And right
Unknown:around the time of his death, and he I smelled cigar smoke.
Unknown:And I was going where am I smelling this? No one in our
Unknown:house, smoked cigars. And then I heard my name, and I'm going,
Unknown:okay, you know, what is this? Exactly. And it's the Nicole,
Unknown:this is your grandfather, James. And he said, I was Casper and I
Unknown:have always been with you. I saw what was going on at the
Unknown:Academy, I saw the abuse you were in, I saw how you were
Unknown:struggling, I saw that you couldn't quit, because of the
Unknown:shame of failing at something. And so I came down and saved
Unknown:you. And there I will always be with you until you, you know,
Unknown:pass on. So he has been with me ever since he showed up in the
Unknown:OCR, he showed up, you know, every time I come close to
Unknown:wanting to leave again, he's there reminding me that I came
Unknown:back to tell people to not be afraid of death. And it seems
Unknown:like a really simple message, Alan, but it's taken me 40
Unknown:years. I mean, my crash was 40 years to unpack all the
Unknown:different layers and unwind everything so that I wasn't
Unknown:filled with fear and worry about being sick and or focusing on
Unknown:being sick or identifying with that as my identity, you know.
Unknown:And so it's been a long journey. And we're all here on a journey
Unknown:for our souls evolution. And there is no perfect journey that
Unknown:just in theory, you know, it continues on, and I want people
Unknown:to know that it hasn't been easy. But I finally have come to
Unknown:peace, and that is and freedom. And when you let go of these
Unknown:fears and worries, that's where the freedom comes in. And I am I
Unknown:book, I'm just going to read it really quick because it really
Unknown:illustrates the concept of God,
Alan Carroll:you are deathless book. Yes.
Unknown:And it is talking about I do something called neuro
Unknown:emotional technique. I'm certified in that because I
Unknown:believed in it so much. It helped me so much. There was a
Unknown:little six year old girl who was in a very fundamentalist church,
Unknown:she was adopted, and she did something quite bad. And she
Unknown:started wetting the bed and she was scared to death. She was
Unknown:going to be separated from her now adopted parents. And so when
Unknown:I talked to her, I said, Well, can you tell me how you see God?
Unknown:And she eagerly told me, God is a blue spirit with colors and
Unknown:balloons and all different colors, no head and can talk.
Unknown:And now clearly, this little girl is still having a direct
Unknown:experience with God no filters from other people. And you know
Unknown:your own experience with God saw Whatever you want to call, you
Unknown:know the author of our lives hear you, it will probably look
Unknown:nothing like hers or mine, yet, I hope my story can help people,
Unknown:to encourage them to continue on their journey on their path to
Unknown:what really is their concept of God. Because in my opinion, if
Unknown:there is a fear element associated with God, that is not
Unknown:of God that is a man in order to control people.
Alan Carroll:I you talked about the the need to let go, and it
Alan Carroll:took you 40 years to let go of things. Well, can we figure out
Alan Carroll:a way of giving me the Cliff Notes of letting go so that we
Alan Carroll:can let go starting the process a lot quicker? What is it that
Alan Carroll:you let go of in order to, to release yourself from the
Alan Carroll:handcuffs, I had
Unknown:to let go of the image of God, the concept of God as
Unknown:being dual and being a judgmental, critical, fear based
Unknown:God, that that part doesn't exist of God and just see God is
Unknown:love. And to me, I, I connect with that mostly in nature. I
Unknown:see the love, feel the love, experience, the love in nature,
Unknown:and the beauty that is just everywhere around me. I know
Unknown:that for me, I had to let go. Be mindful that I came back
Unknown:transformed, I was not the same person I was at 19. I have a lot
Unknown:more sensibility, sensitivities to things. And I can't be around
Unknown:toxic people. And most people don't need to be around toxic
Unknown:people. Okay, so being mindful of people that are energy
Unknown:vampires, as they're called, they zap your energy. Because
Unknown:they're negative, they're critical. They're judgmental,
Unknown:they're shaming. One thing on the other side is a lesson we
Unknown:are not judged. If we could apply that to ourselves. Now,
Unknown:instead of waiting, quit judging yourself, take the word should
Unknown:out of your vocabulary. Don't shoot yourself, your children,
Unknown:your grandchildren, or anybody you come into contact with. That
Unknown:is a low vibration shaming word, when you tell somebody, they
Unknown:should have done something that's insinuating that you know
Unknown:better than them what they needed to do, and you are really
Unknown:smashing them down in terms of who they are as a being. The
Unknown:other thing, I had to do a lot of work emotionally because I
Unknown:had separated my mind from my body. I never am but learn to
Unknown:embody emotions, I can think them, I'm angry at the driver, I
Unknown:can think that that's a realistic emotion to have. But I
Unknown:never let it get through my throat all the way in my body
Unknown:and actually feel it in my body. So that's the work with
Unknown:emotional that you see going on now with people needing to
Unknown:embody emotions, the emotional code out there, the tapping the
Unknown:EMDR, the hypnosis, things like that, that are available to help
Unknown:people connect the mind and the body. Because so many of us have
Unknown:just chopped it off and operated from a mind perspective. So that
Unknown:needs to get integrated. So find someone that can help you with
Unknown:that. There's lots of modalities out there to do that. Even talk
Unknown:therapy can work for some people. So that was important to
Unknown:me to do. The other part was to connect with my soul. Okay, if
Unknown:you feel and there's three symptoms about soul loss, if you
Unknown:feel any of these or know anybody that feels these
Unknown:symptoms, they probably need help bringing their fragmented
Unknown:soul back together.
Alan Carroll:All right. So I'll write it down as you speak.
Alan Carroll:Number one, you
Unknown:don't want to be here. Do you know people that just
Unknown:don't want to be here? Okay, I knew when my memory came back 19
Unknown:years later, I did not want to come back to the body and the
Unknown:life that I knew would be filled with pain and suffering. I
Unknown:didn't want to, but I was told I was going to come back because I
Unknown:had a message to tell people. The second thing is this low
Unknown:level consistent feeling that something is missing. Okay, now,
Unknown:it's interesting to note with this one, many compulsive
Unknown:behaviors and addictions fall into this statement. And for me,
Unknown:I can now clearly see the link between my binge eating disorder
Unknown:and this feeling of emptiness that I had, because I didn't
Unknown:believe in that God that I was raised. With any more, but I
Unknown:didn't have a concept of what I did believe that. And I wasn't
Unknown:connecting to the spiritual realm. During those 20 years, my
Unknown:memory was gone, I was looking, I was going to different
Unknown:churches, I was trying to find a connection, but it just nothing,
Unknown:nothing. stuck to me nothing felt right. And then once I had
Unknown:the soul retrieval that really helped me start connecting with
Unknown:my spirit guides, my angels, my I mean, starting started taking
Unknown:off because I was back in alignment, again, those parts
Unknown:have been pulled back. The third one is, you can't get over it.
Unknown:Okay, your mind just keeps looping and looping and looping.
Unknown:And this can manifest in chronic or a wasting illness. You know,
Unknown:feeling stuck with a health condition. And for me, I had
Unknown:this hypervigilance, Alan that I hide to keep myself safe all the
Unknown:time, this illusion that you refer to earlier, that if I
Unknown:controlled my life, and my situations in life, nothing bad
Unknown:like this could ever happen again, if I drove the car
Unknown:everywhere, then it wouldn't happen again, instead of giving
Unknown:it over to someone else to drive, right? You know, so I
Unknown:would always be the one you guys can go out and drink, but I'm
Unknown:staying sober and I'm driving, okay. But that's an illusion
Unknown:that you can control all these different factors to your life.
Unknown:And what that does is just heightens your stress response
Unknown:system, thinking that you need to try and control all of this,
Unknown:because in the end, it's not controllable, you know, so you
Unknown:worry about things you're nervous the anxiety kicks in. So
Unknown:I wish I had known earlier that through this trauma, that when I
Unknown:neglected these hurt fragmented parts of my soul and just got on
Unknown:with my life, that it led to other issues for me like
Unknown:depression. And just like any other wound, like I said, we
Unknown:have got to realize that soul retrieval is a powerful healing
Unknown:tool that works. And what we're dealing with here is that
Unknown:spiritual hidden realm, and I'm here to tell you, it's a very
Unknown:real thing. And so you can see a shaman about it, you can see a
Unknown:hypnotherapist about it, you can see your pastor about it, if
Unknown:they believe in that, you can even call back the soul parts
Unknown:yourself. So you can go look that up on Google soul loss,
Unknown:Soul fragmentation. And you know, there's lots of videos out
Unknown:there on that. So it's a necessary part of healing that
Unknown:we have really never discussed in the wellness industry.
Alan Carroll:One of the psychological theories is psycho
Alan Carroll:synthesis. And psychosynthesis says that you have 12 basic
Alan Carroll:parts to you. There's the there's the liberal part,
Alan Carroll:there's the non liberal part, there's the judge, there's all
Alan Carroll:these different characters, and the conflicts that people have,
Alan Carroll:it's that you have a liberal part of yourself, and you have a
Alan Carroll:Conservative Party of yourself. And each of them had their own
Alan Carroll:needs, and their own desires, and they start to battle it
Alan Carroll:back. And but as you integrate it as you become conscious as
Alan Carroll:you can talk about it, because you talked about the sharing of
Alan Carroll:emotions with the person that you have emotional stuff with
Alan Carroll:going on, and the fear that's involved in that. And, and how
Alan Carroll:do you communicate things that are uncomfortable to
Alan Carroll:communicate, and, and not offend and upset the sensitivity of the
Alan Carroll:person you're talking to whose skin gets thinner and thinner as
Alan Carroll:we move forward, and 2023 and 2024, they're just people get
Alan Carroll:agitated very quickly. They've lost control of their mental
Alan Carroll:stability. And there's such an overwhelming bombardment of
Alan Carroll:stuff to cause agitation. So I'm wondering, could you give us a
Alan Carroll:couple of tips on how to how to say how to say things that are
Alan Carroll:sweet, but appropriate.
Unknown:Okay, I'll give you an example. Say, Alan, that you
Unknown:hurt my feelings because you told me that I'm obese and I
Unknown:need to lose weight. Okay. And I really love you and respect you.
Unknown:And I know I'm obese. I know I'm overweight, but you point that
Unknown:out to me, okay. And I can say, Alan, when you told me that I
Unknown:was obese and overweight. I felt really hurt. I felt like you
Unknown:really didn't have I understand that I've been dealing with this
Unknown:my whole life, and you didn't seem to offer any compassion
Unknown:with it, I heard it as more judgmental, and I need to do
Unknown:something about it. Like, I haven't been doing something
Unknown:about it all these years. And so I just needed to let you know
Unknown:that that statement really did hurt my feelings. So I'm owning
Unknown:it. Okay, what you're saying, Does that make sense?
Alan Carroll:So it's a very, very higher vibrational kind of
Alan Carroll:response. Yes, to do acknowledge that chi, a button has just been
Alan Carroll:pressed in my reality. And this stuff is getting stirred up. And
Alan Carroll:these emotions are happening and nothing to do with you. But boy,
Alan Carroll:something's going on over here versus you, Mother, you know, do
Alan Carroll:this. And so the the ownership of the, of what is happening in
Alan Carroll:your body as you being the source of that, rather than the
Alan Carroll:victim of someone pressing the button is a very high vibration.
Alan Carroll:Very, very high, because the ego is in the is in the preservation
Alan Carroll:and the defending business cannot in the giving you space
Alan Carroll:to be the way you are business and owning it yourself. That's
Alan Carroll:very, very, I use I'm using higher vibrational because you
Alan Carroll:you talked about the higher vibrational moves that you can
Alan Carroll:play in the game. Game of reduced Let's reduce the
Alan Carroll:psychological suffering, well, let's increase the vibration of
Alan Carroll:the people who are experienced and why do you do that? How do
Alan Carroll:you increase the vibration, but you just gave a great example.
Unknown:Well, here's another important thing, you have to be
Unknown:mindful of what you're plugging your awareness into, okay?
Unknown:Because everything has to start with awareness. If you're not
Unknown:aware that you're doing something, you're gonna keep
Unknown:repeating it. But once you're aware of it, it's hard to go
Unknown:back and keep doing the same thing. But that's,
Alan Carroll:that's good. That's too good to only do one
Alan Carroll:time. Okay, go ahead. And then we'll slow it down a little bit.
Alan Carroll:Because that's one of the key, the key stones and mindfulness
Alan Carroll:is what you're talking about. Now. It deserves a little more
Alan Carroll:respect. That's that's, that is honored a little bit more with a
Alan Carroll:little more fluff around it.
Unknown:awareness is the key to understanding what is going on.
Alan Carroll:Okay, so awareness. So I'm holding up a
Alan Carroll:light in my hand right now. And if I can shine the flashlight on
Alan Carroll:what I'm looking at, I'm more aware of what I'm looking at.
Alan Carroll:But I need a light in order to shine on that. Is that true?
Unknown:Yes. And that's usually in your unconsciousness, because
Unknown:we're running our lives with about 95 to 99%,
Unknown:unconsciousness, everything that's come before us all of our
Unknown:programming, from we little ones even in utero, okay, we are
Unknown:picking up messages from our mother from our father. You
Unknown:know, I'm a dietician by training. And we've known this
Unknown:for years, what the mother eats is going to affect the child if
Unknown:she's disposed to high fat, high salt, high sugar diet, eat a lot
Unknown:of fast food, that child comes out predisposed to a higher
Unknown:threshold of sugar, sweet, sugar, fat, and salt. So it's
Unknown:the same thing with stress and with energy and with emotions,
Unknown:if that mother is not, if she is stressed all the time, that is
Unknown:affecting the child. So it's going to come out more nervous,
Unknown:more anxiety ridden, and having a proclivity for that. So it
Unknown:really is important that we remember that every one and
Unknown:everything is connected, we at the root are all energy. And so
Unknown:becoming conscious, and becoming awake to who you really are. And
Unknown:this is important because one of the lessons is a life review at
Unknown:the end of our lives. Okay, when we're on the other side, we will
Unknown:have a life review. And we learn how everything that we said, Did
Unknown:and thought, okay, during our physical life here on planet
Unknown:Earth, impacted ourselves, others and the world. So if we
Unknown:can become more mindful, and stop and not react, you know,
Unknown:just like if you're saying the word should stop yourself
Unknown:immediately because now you're aware that you're shaming
Unknown:someone, pull it back, cancel, clear, delete, whatever you want
Unknown:to do, and think about what are you really trying to say to this
Unknown:person? Okay. And with death. It's interesting because we are
Unknown:experiencing more death on this planet. now than we have in a
Unknown:long time, and it's not just with people, it's not sudden
Unknown:deaths or people that have are on the road to passing, or
Unknown:suicides which have gone up dramatically. We're seeing
Unknown:death. In systems, we're seeing death and climate change. And we
Unknown:need to remember that we are all of us on a limited physical
Unknown:journey, to bring us back to presence, okay, to the now, let
Unknown:go of the past, that's easier said than done. But we never
Unknown:know when our last day on earth is going to be. Like I said
Unknown:earlier, I never thought that I could die at 19. I'm sure all of
Unknown:those children massacred at Sandy Hook never thought and
Unknown:their parents never thought that would be their last day here on
Unknown:Earth. And if we actually lived with that awareness, getting
Unknown:back to being aware, we would be more present and live in a
Unknown:deeper way. And that is why I'm so passionate about people
Unknown:addressing their fears of death, so they can truly live life.
Alan Carroll:I agree, I agree. The idea of the, the you see the
Alan Carroll:world now through the conditioning of the lens of the
Alan Carroll:past. And if you could figure out a way of putting the past in
Alan Carroll:the past, never to be remembered again. Then you'd have this
Alan Carroll:white blank canvas in front of you. And that you can then
Alan Carroll:control with with the paintbrush in your hand. What what do you
Alan Carroll:want to paint on this canvas? And well, why not paint,
Alan Carroll:absolute love, joy and compassion, with with what I at
Alan Carroll:least what I speak, combined may not have control of them
Alan Carroll:thoughts inside my head and all that. But can I become aware of
Alan Carroll:the of the energy form of the word, the vibrations that I
Alan Carroll:create as an energy form of either love, are of defending or
Alan Carroll:attacking. And that to me is is a key to this waking up that you
Alan Carroll:talk about and and we're moving closer to the end of our
Alan Carroll:conversation. And it's really a wonderful, rich conversation
Alan Carroll:that is endless. Yes, that's you're exploring an endless
Alan Carroll:empty space of nothingness. In which you discover that whatever
Alan Carroll:that energy they call consciousness, or God is here
Alan Carroll:now, he's always been here. I'm a spark from the log, you're a
Alan Carroll:spark from the log. And, and we're both divinity, creatures
Alan Carroll:of having fun as human beings laughing when we come back
Alan Carroll:again, and, and enjoying ourselves but really suffering
Alan Carroll:why we're here. But there's some cosmic joke here, that you have
Alan Carroll:been able to discover the joke of the illusion that you think
Alan Carroll:something. And as you begin to change the way you think, you
Alan Carroll:change the the illusion in front of you begins to change. And so
Alan Carroll:reality, definitely a change, a change agent for love and
Alan Carroll:compassion. And I want to thank you for being on the mindful you
Alan Carroll:podcast, sharing your adventures. And my wish is that
Alan Carroll:we able to continue this conversation at some point in
Alan Carroll:time in the future.
Unknown:That would be wonderful. Alan, I would love
Unknown:that. Thank you so much. And I've enjoyed being on your show.
Alan Carroll:And I want to also let people know that the you are
Alan Carroll:deathless sounds like it's full of rich information about the
Alan Carroll:subjects that we're talking about, and would be a great
Alan Carroll:resource for folks who want to investigate further to see what
Alan Carroll:all these things we're talking about with this neuro emotional
Alan Carroll:technology and the spiritual body mind integration, hocus
Alan Carroll:pocus stuff and and I believe that the clarity of your
Alan Carroll:speaking now is probably reflected also in the clarity of
Alan Carroll:your words on paper. So
Unknown:it took me 13 years to write the book and it is
Unknown:definitely from my heart. It's my authentic voice. It's also
Unknown:now on Audible. I just narrated it myself, it came out in May of
Unknown:this year. So for people that prefer that option, it's on
Unknown:Kindle. It's on Amazon, Barnes and Noble and your independent
Unknown:bookstore can order it for you. But I really do hope that it's
Unknown:effective in helping you move forward and if you have a book
Unknown:club, it is an excellent book to read together and discuss this
Unknown:topic that will happen to us all and our loved ones. And to start
Unknown:preparing for our report now, you know, because so many times
Unknown:you get to a funeral, and it fractures families. And it
Unknown:doesn't have to be that way. If people prepare ahead of time,
Unknown:whether it's the wills or the wishes, or whatever it is,
Alan Carroll:oh, I you're talking, I have a, oh, a two
Alan Carroll:inch by four inch old old picture, back in the 1910 1920
Alan Carroll:timeframe of my father's brother and sister together when they
Alan Carroll:were just a small little beings in dressed in a little costume
Alan Carroll:somewhere in Upper New York State. And, and I look at that,
Alan Carroll:and I look at that picture of my father, who's all those people,
Alan Carroll:they're dead. Yeah. And I, I saw my desk. I see it every day. And
Alan Carroll:it reminds me of that I'm immortal. I'm not I'm not
Alan Carroll:immortal on morphine. And appreciate every moment of every
Alan Carroll:day. That drenched in love, appreciate it and be grateful
Alan Carroll:for it rather than, oh, something's missing in my life
Alan Carroll:right now that I'm not complete, and I'm not going to be complete
Alan Carroll:until I get those things, then I'll be complete. That that is
Alan Carroll:that that causes a lot of the suffering that we feel so I I
Unknown:agree. 100% Thank you, Alan.
Alan Carroll:Okay. Okay.
