June 21, 2023

The Wisdom Of Your Body And The Rosen Method With Marjorie Huebner

The Wisdom Of Your Body And The Rosen Method With Marjorie Huebner
Apple Podcasts podcast player badge
Spotify podcast player badge
Castro podcast player badge
RSS Feed podcast player badge
Apple Podcasts podcast player icon Spotify podcast player icon Castro podcast player icon RSS Feed podcast player icon
Season 1

Today I’m joined by Marjorie Huebner. Marjorie is a dedicated Rosen Method practitioner. She’s here to share with us this profound healing method. It is known that unprocessed experiences and emotions are held within our body, and through healing touch and meeting the client precisely where she is guided, Marjorie is able to assist in unlocking and releasing stuck emotion. The process is exquisite and the backstory of Marion Rosen is not to be missed. Join us today to learn about this little known therapeutic technique. I hope you enjoy today’s episode as much as I did!

EPISODE TAKEAWAYS (what you’ll learn):

  • Who was Marion Rosen & how she established The Rosen Method
  • Marjorie’s background as a dancer and massage therapist prior to becoming a
  • Rosen Practitioner
  • How our bodies hold on to past experiences
  • How Racism and cultural conditioning are connected
  • How Marjorie approaches movement and the aging process

About the Guest:

Marjorie Huebner was delighted to discover the Rosen Method as it brought together movement, touch and awareness! Her return to her own embodiment began with modern dance, movement improvisation, yoga, and Authentic Movement. Since 1984, she has had a private bodywork practice, working in a variety of modalities, including massage, Trager, and Craniosacral Therapy, and, since 2000, Rosen Method Bodywork and Movement, and Authentic Movement. Some other influences have been Somatic Experiencing, Body-Mind Centering, Hakomi, Vipassana Meditation, Non-Violent Communication, the study of human anatomy, and body culture. Since 2015, she has been working with a group of white colleagues, and two mentors of color, on building capacity to take anti-racist action in the world in an embodied way.

Find Marjorie Huebner here:

https://www.marjoriehuebner.com/

https://roseninstitute.net/

Links of Interest:

https://www.rosenmethodopencenter.org/

See No Stranger, A Memoir and Manifesto of Revolutionary Love by Valerie Kaur

Relaxation Awareness Resilience, Rosen Method Bodywork Science and Practice by Ivy Green

My Body is Not an Apology, The Power of Radical Self-Love by Sonja Renee Taylor

Power and Privilege Wheel: https://www.recipesforwellbeing.org/the-wheel-of-power-and-privilege/

About the Host:

Maureen Spielman is the Founder of Mystical Sisterhood, a podcast dedicated to bringing more joy, healing and expansion to the world. She is a seasoned life coach who supports individuals through one-on-one coaching, groups and workshops.

Connect with Maureen:

● Check out her Instagram: @maureeenspielman

● Learn more about her work at www.maureenspielman.com

● Want to join our Mystical Sisterhood Membership community? Find out more here: https://www.maureenspielman.com/mysticalsisterhood

● Email Maureen at hello@maureenspielman.com to inquire about coaching, podcasting & speaking engagements

● Want to view Mystical Sisterhood episodes? Visit the Mystical Sisterhood YouTube Channel here: Magical Sisterhood Youtube

Thanks for listening!

Thanks so much for listening to our podcast! If you enjoyed this episode and think that others could benefit from listening, please share it using the social media buttons on this page. Do you have some feedback or questions about this episode? Leave a comment in the section below!

Subscribe to the podcast

If you would like to get automatic updates of new podcast episodes, you can subscribe to the podcast on Apple Podcasts or Stitcher. You can also subscribe in your favorite podcast app.

Leave us an Apple Podcasts review

Ratings and reviews from our listeners are extremely valuable to us and greatly appreciated. They help our podcast rank higher on Apple Podcasts, which exposes our show to more awesome listeners like you. If you have a minute, please leave an honest review on Apple Podcasts.

Transcript
Unknown:

Hello and welcome back to mystical sisterhood. This is

Unknown:

your host Maureen Spielman. Today Marjorie Huebner joins me

Unknown:

to talk about an exquisite form of healing work called the Rosen

Unknown:

method. When a dear friend's daughter suggested Marjorie and

Unknown:

I talk I was all in discovering healing modalities that are not

Unknown:

yet on my radar is so full of possibilities. Join us today to

Unknown:

lean into Marjorie's wisdom and knowledge on all things the

Unknown:

Rosen method, and so much more. See you in the episode.

Maureen Spielman:

Hey there, welcome to mystical sisterhood.

Maureen Spielman:

This is your host, Maureen Spielman. I started the show to

Maureen Spielman:

highlight the intuitives, healers and other courageous

Maureen Spielman:

women that I've met along my journey and continue to meet.

Maureen Spielman:

Through amazing interviews, I seek to ask insightful questions

Maureen Spielman:

to uncover ways in which you the listener can apply the wisdom

Maureen Spielman:

and knowledge to your own life. I believe that we're all in this

Maureen Spielman:

together. So sharing healing and joy, and bringing community

Maureen Spielman:

together is both my passion and purpose. If you'd like to learn

Maureen Spielman:

more about the mystical sisterhood community I'm

Maureen Spielman:

building, please visit www mystical sisterhood.com See you

Maureen Spielman:

in the episode.

Unknown:

Welcome back to mystical sisterhood. And welcome

Unknown:

to Marjorie, I'm, I'm beyond thrilled that you're here with

Unknown:

me. We became connected through my dear friend Nani and her

Unknown:

daughter, Christine. And

Unknown:

I just love how the universe brings people together. I'm

Unknown:

fascinated by your work. And so we'll dive in today, I'll just

Unknown:

say to the audience that you're a practitioner of the Rosen

Unknown:

method. So we're going to learn all about that something that

Unknown:

aside from our conversation a week or two ago, it wasn't part

Unknown:

of my world. So right there, that could be the whole podcast.

Unknown:

But just

Unknown:

you have a lot of wisdom to share and a lot of wisdom about

Unknown:

becoming centered, becoming heart centric, learning about

Unknown:

how our body speaks to us, and so much more. So welcome,

Unknown:

Marjorie, so glad to have you, thank you marine really

Unknown:

appreciate having this opportunity. Because it's

Unknown:

unusual.

Maureen Spielman:

For people who don't know a lot about the Rosen

Maureen Spielman:

method, so I'm happy to share about it. And just to clarify,

Maureen Spielman:

it has two parts. It has a movement part and a touch body

Maureen Spielman:

where, okay, beautiful. Well, I want to dive into all of that

Maureen Spielman:

your background, with the body is fascinating. I don't know

Maureen Spielman:

where you want to start with your story, and how you came to

Maureen Spielman:

this work. But I always just say to my guest, wherever you want

Maureen Spielman:

to start that makes sense to you to how you were led to being a

Maureen Spielman:

body work practitioner and expert.

Marjorie Huebner:

Well, I don't know about expert, but I, I do.

Unknown:

I want to start a long time ago, 50 years ago, in high

Unknown:

school,

Unknown:

I was drawn to a presentation of dancers. And I thought, oh, I

Unknown:

want to it was through an urban arts program where you got to

Unknown:

study with the artist in the community. And he went, took a

Unknown:

bus away from school and then back to school. And these

Unknown:

dancers really thought I want to be in my body, I want to learn

Unknown:

more about movement. So I did that for when I started when I

Unknown:

was 17, which is an old age to start dancing really. But I

Unknown:

realized I think that I wasn't a performer. I studied dance for

Unknown:

about 10 years actually, and did some performing but realized I

Unknown:

was more interested in the connection between people and

Unknown:

improvisation in the sensing of each other in space. So I

Unknown:

started to study body work. And I started with massage and

Unknown:

energy work, just exploring all kinds of touch work. And then

Unknown:

I realized that people's tension wasn't getting better, that I

Unknown:

was trying to fix it from the outside. And so I thought, well,

Unknown:

there must be a better way. So just following the thread of my

Unknown:

own practice touching people the privilege, really, of touching a

Unknown:

lot of people in this intimate way.

Unknown:

brought me to be curious about well, how could this tension

Unknown:

that people are holding change? Is there some other way to do

Unknown:

it? So I started to explore different kinds of hakomi.

Unknown:

And I found Rosen body work because it had a movement

Unknown:

component which of course I've been a dancer. And

Marjorie Huebner:

this hands on component. Yeah. And so Marianne

Marjorie Huebner:

Rosen was a physical therapist and she started touching people

Marjorie Huebner:

in a certain way that brought out people's the worries that

Marjorie Huebner:

brought up people's emotions that

Unknown:

seemed to have a way to get inside underneath the

Unknown:

holding. And what was that holding doing for people? Right?

Unknown:

That was her, her curiosity. And that fit perfectly in what my

Unknown:

question was, well, what what is this holding all about the

Unknown:

muscle tension, what's going on there. So, I want to just talk a

Unknown:

little bit about Marianne Rosen, because I think her background

Unknown:

really helps know why she was so interested in that in a way. And

Unknown:

that she was born in 1914, in Germany. And she was a pretty,

Unknown:

you know, a young woman during when, when the Nazis were in

Unknown:

control of Germany. And she was not a practicing Jew, her

Unknown:

family, family wasn't.

Unknown:

But she had Jewish ancestors. And so she was considered

Unknown:

Jewish. And she's told the story and one of the intensives

Unknown:

pensive trainings and I worked with her, she said, You know, I

Unknown:

grew up and it would say, June verboten on the window, the

Unknown:

store window, and that meant Jews forbidden.

Unknown:

And she said, you know, no one should be forbidden without

Unknown:

being known. And so there was something about her knowing how

Unknown:

important it was to be seen and known for who you truly are. And

Unknown:

that's the base of her work. So the touch is trusting that each

Unknown:

person has their own knowing and wisdom. And

Unknown:

if we can, if they can live from that, if they can feel that and

Unknown:

know that not just from their heads, but from a deep knowing

Unknown:

and their bodies, that they can actually relax? Well, um, I just

Unknown:

want to remark on both your journey to the Rosen method, and

Unknown:

then something that came up for her is just that following you

Unknown:

had that it felt like a really intuitive question around. Why

Unknown:

are people not letting go of their attention? What's going on

Unknown:

here? There must be something more, leading you down that path

Unknown:

of just maybe trying these different avenues. I think it's

Unknown:

remarkable how each of us has what will speak to us and it's

Unknown:

got to be related to what our purpose is and what our unique

Unknown:

gifts are. Right. But then that also was true for it was Marian

Unknown:

Rosen, and that she knew she from a young age that she wanted

Unknown:

to know more about people to tap into their being seen, based on

Unknown:

her experience. It's so beautiful. Well, I think too,

Unknown:

you know, she wasn't able to go to university because she was

Unknown:

Jewish. And so her mother who was a kind of Bohemian person

Unknown:

hooked her up with

Unknown:

the Gustaf and

Unknown:

good stuff. The good stuff, hire started the hires goofed off

Unknown:

hire was a union analyst and his wife was a body breath, touch

Unknown:

person. And they combined the work the early mind body work in

Unknown:

the 30s in Germany. And so she was exposed to this idea that

Unknown:

when people had a sense of their body that they did better

Unknown:

emotionally. It was early in her experience, and then she left

Unknown:

Germany, she had to leave Germany as a Jew and escaped to

Unknown:

came to the United States. And I think that stayed with her,

Unknown:

right. Somehow that early experience. So yeah. And

Unknown:

I think for me, too, I had my own tension. Right. So healer,

Unknown:

heal thyself, my journey. My own curiosity. Yes. Yeah. And I

Unknown:

realized that people

Unknown:

weren't other massage therapists weren't always getting the same

Unknown:

response I was getting, I was touching people, and they would

Unknown:

have emotions, or they would tell me stories about their

Unknown:

life, or they would reveal things. So I needed to find a

Unknown:

way to how to how to how to do deal with that when I was, you

Unknown:

know, yes, them. And yeah, so Rosen method really has that.

Unknown:

Okay, well, I was gonna ask you just a question for the

Unknown:

listeners sort of background. So I think when we met, you know,

Unknown:

just recently, I was saying, Are we moving into the age of the

Unknown:

body, like where we're really there's been research out there

Unknown:

for, for quite some time, some very foundational books written

Unknown:

about like the Body Keeps the Score.

Unknown:

I'm sure you have a lot that you've read and really have

Unknown:

become important to you. But can you kind of talk about just how,

Unknown:

how the body holds on to past experiences, emotions and that

Unknown:

kind of background work before you tell us about how touch

Unknown:

releases it.

Unknown:

I'd like to start with babies.

Unknown:

Right? I'm not a mother but I have

Unknown:

nephews and I

Unknown:

studied a lot about some about developmental movement and how

Unknown:

the first really thing a baby needs to do is to yield right to

Unknown:

be held. And to feel that ability to say, Oh, I'm safe,

Unknown:

there's a, there's a way to protect when they're out of the,

Unknown:

you know, the womb, there's a container for that. And we don't

Unknown:

think babies come with an agenda to like, manipulate us if

Unknown:

they're hungry. They let us know if they need their diaper

Unknown:

changed, and they're uncomfortable, they let us know.

Unknown:

So it's a natural, this natural that they pay attention to their

Unknown:

body, and the only they're helpless, pretty much so the

Unknown:

only thing they can do is, is verbally protest. So as a

Unknown:

parent, I'm guessing you figured out Oh, that, that that's a

Unknown:

hungry cry. Yeah. And so when the mom feeds the baby,

Unknown:

the baby can relax, and the mom can relax, that that's the need

Unknown:

was met from the outside in. And so the baby learns, oh, that

Unknown:

means when I'm hungry, later on, I know that sensation that that

Unknown:

satisfies that sensation. Yeah, there's a direct relationship,

Unknown:

right? But if we every time a baby cries, and we just feed

Unknown:

them, they don't get to know Oh, I just want to be held or I need

Unknown:

to be warmer, or they don't get to differentiate the sensation

Unknown:

and the experience and integrate it. Okay, so maybe, you know,

Unknown:

when

Unknown:

we're need to be connected, we eat. Because that's, that's what

Unknown:

was done for us rather than satisfy really meet the need

Unknown:

there. Okay, so we don't we get confused. We don't really know,

Unknown:

that sensation means I just need to cry because I got scared or,

Unknown:

you know.

Unknown:

So if that makes sense. Yeah, it makes sense. And it's,

Unknown:

yeah, it starts so pure, it starts so there's just a view

Unknown:

needs to be held to be fed to be to feel connected, though. And

Unknown:

it feels like from your description that there can be

Unknown:

almost like, confusion, or mixed messages, I guess, is the word

Unknown:

even it's on such a, you know, nonverbal level of things. But

Unknown:

I've you know, read that and know that that that imprinting

Unknown:

occurs in the first years of life. So it's very important to,

Unknown:

to meet the needs. So in a way, that same meeting is what

Unknown:

happens in Rosen. So here you are, here I am. And where we

Unknown:

come together through the contact through the touch is a

Unknown:

third place. It's a unique place of the meeting, what happens

Unknown:

there? And that's where I bring my curiosity and invite you to

Unknown:

come and what's it like to meet me?

Unknown:

And there's no right and wrong about that. Maybe you don't want

Unknown:

to meet me, maybe it's scary. And maybe I need to find another

Unknown:

place to touch you or to give you a break from touch. I don't

Unknown:

know. But we get to explore that meeting place.

Unknown:

And the way that is different from massage, is that I don't

Unknown:

try to change anything.

Unknown:

I try.

Unknown:

We're trying. So I meet I just meet you and see what happens.

Unknown:

It feels like a an energetic meeting as well. The to it. Is

Unknown:

that right? Like in terms of people's energy fields and

Unknown:

coming to that place. That's always there. But we don't talk

Unknown:

about energy, okay?

Unknown:

Because we want to actually feel the sensations. And the

Unknown:

sensations are, like we said, when I'm hungry, I know I will

Unknown:

have a sensation, I'm hungry. So I eat or I'm tired. So I rest.

Unknown:

So we want to start to explore what is that sensation.

Unknown:

And we use words to because we want to speak from the body. We

Unknown:

want to make it conscious, Oh, I feel a little tingling there.

Unknown:

Where I feel some warp there. We start with sensation. So we can

Unknown:

bypass thinking about things. stuff, you know, up here. Okay,

Unknown:

so we want the bottom up processing we want to start with

Unknown:

what do I know from sensing this connection?

Unknown:

So sometimes it can heal, you know, developmental relational

Unknown:

wounds because we explore what what it's like to be touched and

Unknown:

so So, the people, the people will say, Oh, I feel comforted.

Unknown:

Or, you know, or I feel supported. I'm not trying to

Unknown:

support them. I'm not trying to comfort them. So what comes from

Unknown:

their experience of the contact is what they needed. Yeah, yeah.

Unknown:

And therein lies the healing part. do sometimes.

Unknown:

People come in saying, Marjorie, I have a sensation and a

Unknown:

particular part of my body.

Unknown:

And or sometimes it's where you lay your hands that then they

Unknown:

become in touch with the sensation and the information

Unknown:

going on underneath it, right? I had a client has had a had right

Unknown:

shoulder problems. And so yeah, I'm wondering if if it's, I

Unknown:

asked permission, or where do you want to be touched for? So I

Unknown:

really, it's about really respecting that. Starting with

Unknown:

what's safe enough for people? Yeah. So that you may not go

Unknown:

right to where the pain is, we might start, maybe we'll start

Unknown:

somewhere else just to get used to each other, just start to

Unknown:

have a connection. And what feels okay to that person. But

Unknown:

yeah, sometimes people can really feel what's underneath,

Unknown:

right? When there's the support or contact, and I'm listening.

Unknown:

We call it meeting, and listening touch.

Unknown:

I'm not trying to change anything, because you I want

Unknown:

them I want you to feel what's there rather than bypass around

Unknown:

or, which is what we learned to do, or hold whatever we needed

Unknown:

to hold in there. Yeah.

Unknown:

I feel like trust is a big word that's coming to mind for me,

Unknown:

because

Unknown:

we don't always have the opportunities to really learn

Unknown:

how to trust when we're young. And so it's the rebuilding, and

Unknown:

you're sharing about how respectful it is. And honoring

Unknown:

to go to to be able to work with a person's body. I think you

Unknown:

mentioned that into to have that sort of privilege.

Unknown:

But it's so respectful, and the words body autonomy are coming

Unknown:

to mind. And just having someone ask you, can I touch you?

Unknown:

Because we do. I think as I've learned more about the body, I

Unknown:

realized that,

Unknown:

you know, we often are touched or it's it's evolving into a new

Unknown:

space where it is our body? And I don't know that I think

Unknown:

there's a lot around just that.

Unknown:

Yeah, it is you have a right to say no.

Unknown:

Right? Or yes to whatever contact you have. And

Unknown:

it's so important, right to respect

Unknown:

people's capacity for for that kind of contact. It might be

Unknown:

really scary. There might have been abuse, and how do you

Unknown:

really trust? Yeah, I don't want to be touched there, or that's

Unknown:

enough. And, and to not take it personally. Right, as the

Unknown:

practitioner, that they're having an experience that, you

Unknown:

know, I'm not trying to hurt them, or I'm not hurting you.

Unknown:

But it doesn't feel safe. It doesn't feel okay. We want to we

Unknown:

want to honor what the experience is, and then keep

Unknown:

exploring that further. Well, what, what wasn't? What isn't

Unknown:

safe about that? Can be Yeah, yeah, I feel like there's a lot

Unknown:

of exploration there, it reminds me of a massage I had recently.

Unknown:

And you're helping me see that, at that particular time, I had

Unknown:

had a flare up in a hip, an injury I never had before it was

Unknown:

it was just in the muscle on my hip. And in the massage, I think

Unknown:

the therapist was manipulating me the way that she almost like

Unknown:

prescriptively thought would work for me, right. And it got

Unknown:

to a point where it did tap into emotion, which a lot of people

Unknown:

we don't even have that we've been so many disconnected from

Unknown:

our mind, body, spirit, that we don't always connect that. I

Unknown:

think in the past, I would have just been on the table like, Oh,

Unknown:

I just had a wave of sadness, not knowing that the touch

Unknown:

brought it apart. So there's a couple parts of that where I

Unknown:

didn't, I didn't really have that kind of relationship.

Unknown:

You're also talking about with your clients building

Unknown:

relationships. And

Unknown:

yeah, this therapists kind of just going in, but also, I don't

Unknown:

know, I feel like even in that experience, if I went back to

Unknown:

it,

Unknown:

if that were to tap into a motion,

Unknown:

allowing that allowing some space around it, allowing some

Unknown:

time around it, in order to process it. And do Do you

Unknown:

sometimes see to clients be like, whoa, whoa, when you tap

Unknown:

into something that's a bit more informational, intense, strong

Unknown:

feeling for them.

Unknown:

Yeah, and yet, that's why they come. Yeah. Because that they

Unknown:

want to provide a container for that. Yeah. Every emotion has a

Unknown:

sensation and people don't always know that. They don't

Unknown:

always know what is that sort of butterfly feeling? Is it

Unknown:

excitement? Is it fear is a combination that we're not used

Unknown:

to exploring? Yeah, sensation of emotion. So being able to stay

Unknown:

with it with someone saying, yeah, yes, you're scared or Oh,

Unknown:

you're sad. That's right. Can you just let that sense

Unknown:

You shouldn't be there with my yummy. And so that's going to be

Unknown:

particular to each person that comes to you to each to each

Unknown:

individual out there on earth. So then it's a, it sounds like

Unknown:

it's a really a process of you being a guide, and the

Unknown:

intelligence coming up from them, but then it can kind of

Unknown:

give, I feel like your clients a roadmap to kind of deciphering

Unknown:

what does that mean, that's really valuable information? And

Unknown:

maybe, maybe you don't have a story with it, maybe it's just

Unknown:

feeling it's only feeling the emotion. Okay. Maybe there is

Unknown:

there is a memory.

Unknown:

And so there's no, maybe an image, there's no right or wrong

Unknown:

about what comes or doesn't come. Some people want a story,

Unknown:

they want to know why. And that's more of a head thing. So

Unknown:

can we just let the body do what it does is it can process maybe

Unknown:

it's like having tingling, or shaking or vibrating or, you

Unknown:

know, just that the nervous system is processing it. We

Unknown:

don't have to always know in our heads. Yeah. And sometimes it's

Unknown:

scary for people these sensations, it's like, what is

Unknown:

that all of a sudden, my legs are, you know, vibrating? Or,

Unknown:

you know, it's so it's normalizing? Oh, this is how the

Unknown:

body does. This is what our bodies do for us. They process

Unknown:

things. And it's things that have been unconscious, right?

Unknown:

Absolutely. Yeah, that's certainly we don't, we don't

Unknown:

learn about our body's intelligence about what emotions

Unknown:

really are, we just tend to have a name for them, kind of period.

Unknown:

There might be a follow up question sometimes to what they

Unknown:

mean to somebody. But yeah, that land of venturing into the body.

Unknown:

And, you know, you can someone can be when you were talking

Unknown:

about your early background, as a dancer, a dancer, that when

Unknown:

you when individuals use their body in a physical way, you have

Unknown:

a relationship with your body, but it doesn't always mean that

Unknown:

you know how to decode how it speaks to you. Well, and also

Unknown:

there's, you know, dancers have to look a certain way have to be

Unknown:

thin, they have to, you know, there's there's all this

Unknown:

pressure, right, and performing is different than feeling

Unknown:

inside. Yeah. And, and following something inside it is and, and

Unknown:

yet a performer, you don't want to just have them like, look

Unknown:

good on the outside, you want to have something of them coming

Unknown:

through the movement as well. Yeah. Right. So it's not that

Unknown:

there's a separation with art, you know, but that wasn't I was

Unknown:

more interested in what was going on inside. And I'm an

Unknown:

introvert. So it makes sense. You know, I wasn't so much

Unknown:

interested in you know, performing. Yeah. And I think

Unknown:

that

Unknown:

that was something that was missing was that intimate

Unknown:

connection. And I knew how important it is to have someone

Unknown:

just be with me, non judgmentally, saying, I'm here

Unknown:

with you. Can you trust and feel what your need was? Or is right

Unknown:

now?

Unknown:

Yeah. And let it let it be there. And, yeah, take some

Unknown:

time. Yeah, it's spectacular.

Unknown:

It's kind of simple. It's like that baby, can I just respond to

Unknown:

the need there? As a caregiver and sometimes I can't, right?

Unknown:

Moms can't be perfect. Parents can't be perfect or whatever.

Unknown:

And it's okay. Babies are very resilient. You know, they don't

Unknown:

have to be respond to every minute, every second. Yeah.

Unknown:

Enough, it's like enough.

Unknown:

It feels like the dance though. When you are in communication

Unknown:

with the person on the table or in your room. Your team. It's

Unknown:

not teaching but it reminds me of the dance that we are meant

Unknown:

to be doing with each other as humans and relating to each

Unknown:

other in this in this giving and receiving sort of way. And what

Unknown:

a beautiful process to for someone to learn how to receive

Unknown:

and express as well.

Unknown:

However, it's meant to come through if it's through the

Unknown:

emotion through words. So you said that wrote movement I know

Unknown:

when you say

Unknown:

you said the Rosen method has movement, and what was the

Unknown:

second part of it, and the bodywork touch and the bodywork.

Unknown:

So what is the movement look like? Within so this was

Unknown:

a physical therapist. So she brilliantly took all the range

Unknown:

of motion exercises for the joints for physical therapy

Unknown:

and put it into a class and so it when there's more

Unknown:

proprioception in the joints, we have to know where our joints

Unknown:

are, because otherwise we want to don't want to hurt something.

Unknown:

So there's a lot more sensation in the joint. So when our joints

Unknown:

feel good, we kind of feel good. So there's a

Unknown:

Creating of synovial fluid with movement. So they're very

Unknown:

particular she's very particular about the movements. It's more

Unknown:

directed. And it's done to music. So it's kind of fun and

Unknown:

helps, you know, music kind of lights up, the whole brain kind

Unknown:

of makes it fun. And it's in a circle. It's community oriented.

Unknown:

It's not about

Unknown:

even though I'm leading, it's, it's about community. And so

Unknown:

it's just fun and easygoing, and it helps people open their

Unknown:

bodies. And because there are places where we've held, right,

Unknown:

and so it's another way to get feeling like I might say, what's

Unknown:

it like, when you open your I'm putting my arm to the side here?

Unknown:

The shoulder blade does drop down the back. Yeah, you know

Unknown:

that we might not feel that that's what happens when we move

Unknown:

our arm. So to get more of a sense of sensation, and movement

Unknown:

and connection, in that way to with people having fun.

Unknown:

Yeah, so that's the other part of the work. And it came, she

Unknown:

started doing the bodywork. Actually, her clients said, how

Unknown:

can we age gracefully and not have to come to physical

Unknown:

therapy? And she said, Well, let's do this. Yeah, yeah.

Unknown:

That's what comes to mind when you talk about the movement part

Unknown:

of it, because

Unknown:

we, in America, I feel like, you know, sports are prevalent when

Unknown:

we're young, and it's always pushed the body and what are you

Unknown:

going to do for your workout, your workout, you're going to

Unknown:

lift weights, all the good, good things. And, and but backing up

Unknown:

and learning. I mean, both parts of the Rosen method teach us

Unknown:

about our body, about what it feels like. And I when I think

Unknown:

about even my aging parents, my mom had a poly miasma.

Unknown:

rheumatica I think it was called the PMR. And then my, which was

Unknown:

joint pain, and then my dad had Parkinson's and just a how, even

Unknown:

for probably across a lot of diagnoses, things that are

Unknown:

showing up at the body, the these really just softer,

Unknown:

gentler learning what you need movements are part of being in

Unknown:

our body more. Well, his life. I mean, if we're not moving, we're

Unknown:

dead. Basically, you know, when we die, we stopped moving. And

Unknown:

if you've ever been with someone who's died, they're not they're

Unknown:

not there. So just even the movement of the breath, I mean,

Unknown:

just movement of the cell. Cell membranes are making sure I

Unknown:

mean, we are about movement, life is about moving. And so

Unknown:

same thing with that body tension. It's not moving. Right?

Unknown:

We had to not move something. Because it was too painful.

Unknown:

There wasn't support to feel it. Yeah. So all those things,

Unknown:

right? How have, you know,

Unknown:

put our bodies into a shape even? Yeah, definitely. Yes. And

Unknown:

I want to ask you a question just about how do you see sort

Unknown:

of exercise? And what do you think because you're a body

Unknown:

practitioner, you have been for a long time? What do you think

Unknown:

is really good, even in the aging process for people to be

Unknown:

doing? Well, walking is fabulous, if you can, but you

Unknown:

know, people like to dance, and, you know, whatever. It gives you

Unknown:

pleasure and joy and doesn't and doesn't hurt you? Yes, I would

Unknown:

say is great. It's great. And so weightlifting, and all that

Unknown:

stuff is fun. I don't see any problem with people do unless

Unknown:

they're like, pushing past and forcing and thinking their body

Unknown:

should do a certain thing in a certain way every day all the

Unknown:

time. Can we really be present to oh, you know, today, I need

Unknown:

to rest? Yeah. Today, I need to take a leisurely walk. Oh, yeah.

Unknown:

Now I need to really walk because it feels good, you know,

Unknown:

so to respond again, to what's inside, okay to respond to

Unknown:

yourself, need to be in touch with that. And Marian rose and

Unknown:

said, you know, the rosin movement really said once a

Unknown:

week, what we want to do is open the body. So when you do

Unknown:

anything else, you're not lifting weights from here,

Unknown:

right? You're lifting weights from a more open place. Right?

Unknown:

Or whatever, that yeah, you should do a variety of things.

Unknown:

Well, so as your pleasure, pleasure, it's what it sounds

Unknown:

like in the dance. Absolutely. I'm really liking that one. Is

Unknown:

Mary and Rosen still alive, Marjorie. She died in 2012 at

Unknown:

9392.

Unknown:

What a body of work. What else? You know, with your journey with

Unknown:

her studies? Is there anything I know I want to talk to you a

Unknown:

little bit about your embodiment work, too. But what have I

Unknown:

missed with the Rosen method? Are we covered like a nice

Unknown:

general outline? It's a really just juicy area of work. I just

Unknown:

think the power of touch I mean, we're mammals right.

Unknown:

And you know, they've done studies that high licking rat

Unknown:

mothers have calmer babies, right? Yeah. There's more when

Unknown:

there's contact and there's there's a there is that kind of

Unknown:

attentive. I'm really there with you. Yes, kind of contact

Unknown:

cuz that's what's important for us. That's what's really

Unknown:

important. And

Unknown:

you know, we have all kinds of

Unknown:

cultural conditioning that comes in, I mean that we learn, like,

Unknown:

Boys Don't Cry, or they can men can be angry, but women can cry,

Unknown:

but they can't be angry, you know, you know, we have all

Unknown:

these rules and schools and you know, we're talking to we have

Unknown:

to sit all the time.

Unknown:

We can't wiggle? Absolutely. You know, there's always still a lot

Unknown:

of cultural rules. Religion has them, you know, behavior, and

Unknown:

not that some all of them are bad. I'm not saying that. Yes.

Unknown:

But can we be,

Unknown:

you know, so much as you know, wait for women is so much right.

Unknown:

That is

Unknown:

not absolutely. Right. I know. Yeah. I was gonna mention them.

Unknown:

Racism to, you know, one of the things I wanted to do and I

Unknown:

forgot at the beginning was to introduce myself, so people who

Unknown:

are just listening to know I am a white cisgendered older woman,

Unknown:

who's a touch practitioner, that's, that's, that's a lot of

Unknown:

who I am. And that if you don't see me,

Unknown:

you know, that, that you have a sense of who I am and how I'm

Unknown:

seen.

Unknown:

People don't know maybe people have all kinds of assumptions by

Unknown:

my what how I look, or even by those those things, I said, so

Unknown:

all that comes up in the touch work, what has gotten in our way

Unknown:

of being in our hearts of seeing people?

Unknown:

I love Valerie car, do you know her work? I don't think I do.

Unknown:

It's called she's a wrote a book called Revolutionary love. And

Unknown:

I. And she says, I wrote it down because I wanted to say it

Unknown:

right? When you see someone can you say can you feel you are a

Unknown:

part of me? I do not know yet? No.

Unknown:

You are a part of me. I do not yet know. And in a way, that's

Unknown:

how I approach touching people. I don't. Can we get to know each

Unknown:

other? Yes. Yeah. in a deep way. This is wisdom that comes from

Unknown:

knowledge of yourself, you know, is there space for that? And she

Unknown:

said, you know, can we wonder about people? Yeah, yeah, can I

Unknown:

leave with them? Because that's she said, that's the price the

Unknown:

gift in a way in the price of love. It's this work allows me

Unknown:

to care for people. Yeah, like that. It's so comes across, I

Unknown:

heard another friend of mine say last week, it reminds me a

Unknown:

Valerie's quote is

Unknown:

I cannot exist without you. You cannot exist without me. It's

Unknown:

very reciprocal. Yeah. I appreciate everything you're

Unknown:

introducing into our conversation about cultural

Unknown:

conditioning, because so much is invisible to us. But when we

Unknown:

become open to getting curious, I think there was a time that I

Unknown:

even thought, oh, marketing doesn't affect me that much.

Unknown:

Well, yes, it does. Yes, it does. You've just been almost

Unknown:

like so

Unknown:

sheepishly conditioned that you think it doesn't, but that's not

Unknown:

the ways that you've adopted or the it's a huge took on other

Unknown:

people's thoughts and ideas of who you were supposed to be. And

Unknown:

then, you know, you get to this point in life, and you're just

Unknown:

you're, you know, we all have inclinations, even when we're

Unknown:

younger, to like, this is not for me, this is not for me, but

Unknown:

it's really dense and thick to move through. So just the

Unknown:

conversation of, let's just say what it is, and how we're

Unknown:

affected by it, and then work from that point, no judgment,

Unknown:

no, just awareness. Yeah. And I feel that you know, what, what?

Unknown:

I don't know about you. I don't you know, I don't wear makeup.

Unknown:

And I put lipstick on once, you know, when I was in junior high,

Unknown:

and it was like, Oh, my God, I don't I can't stand the feeling

Unknown:

that Yeah, like that. So I never did that.

Unknown:

Yes, like that. Yeah. So we don't, you know, get to trust

Unknown:

that we supposed to look a certain way to fit in. We want

Unknown:

to belong, we do. So Valerie Carr also says Can we choose to

Unknown:

fight for and with others? Yeah. So she says that it's an

Unknown:

orientation towards life that is personal, but also political or

Unknown:

collective? Yeah. Because we live we we don't just, we're not

Unknown:

just individuals and Marian rose and said that too. She said, One

Unknown:

time she was intensive, and there the whole room, people

Unknown:

were crying and she said, emotions are great, but that's

Unknown:

not the end. What are we going to do with what the awareness

Unknown:

that we have? What how are we going to manifest that in our

Unknown:

relationships in the world? We are? How do we stay in our

Unknown:

bodies what feels right or not? Right? You know, that is huge

Unknown:

reason for embodiment. Yes, yes.

Unknown:

I want to ask you just circle back to get your

Unknown:

thoughts

Unknown:

As on

Unknown:

women and our bodies and all that we've been taking on other

Unknown:

people's ideas, the shame that we take on the not enoughness

Unknown:

the not. And I recently read a book, I'm forgetting the name,

Unknown:

but it's by these identical twin sister sisters, Lexi and Lindsey

Unknown:

chi. Do you know that work? Yeah. Yeah, I really love it. I

Unknown:

love just the premise of it. But that often we're so often we're

Unknown:

manipulating what our bodies what we think they should look

Unknown:

like, for somebody else. It's not really another great book

Unknown:

called My body is not an apology.

Unknown:

That's a really a great book, because she talks about how to

Unknown:

love your body. So that's what embodiment can do. So I have

Unknown:

clients who don't like their bodies, but when they're

Unknown:

actually feeling inside their bodies. Yeah.

Unknown:

They don't have that experience so much. It's like, sometimes

Unknown:

you do, like, don't touch that big butt or something, you know,

Unknown:

but yeah, but also they can start to feel how good it is

Unknown:

just to be in in their own body, then, oh, it's not about how it

Unknown:

looks. Sometimes I think we should get rid of mirrors, you

Unknown:

know? Absolutely. I don't disagree with that. Yeah. Right.

Unknown:

Because there's a lot of pressure, a lot of pressure on

Unknown:

women,

Unknown:

culturally, to look a certain way.

Unknown:

And to, you know, I always thought, you know, ties for men,

Unknown:

keeping them from feeling their body and high heels for women

Unknown:

keeping dealing with ground. So yeah, what is that? What is

Unknown:

that, that we do to not be in connection with our bodies? And

Unknown:

especially in the white western European culture? Yeah. Yeah,

Unknown:

thanks. Thanks for those.

Unknown:

Yeah, just examples in what I tune into more and more every

Unknown:

day, is whatever it is, in our world is our choice. And so if

Unknown:

we can be aware

Unknown:

that we do have

Unknown:

that choice of how we speak to ourselves, how we choose choose,

Unknown:

or not choose to take time to be with ourselves to any of these

Unknown:

things. And that someone else doesn't get to say, I mean, we

Unknown:

are living in a very prescriptive society, you know,

Unknown:

I starting this business, and it's like, oh, you should do

Unknown:

these 1020 30 things to make it a success. But if I distill it

Unknown:

down to what's right, for me, it's going to look completely

Unknown:

different. And I, you know, you take bits and pieces, but I like

Unknown:

this, this idea of the answers are within you. And yeah, and

Unknown:

there's a lot like we talked about pressure from outside,

Unknown:

right, yeah. It's just the way our institutions are what I

Unknown:

learned in school and what I didn't learn in school who has

Unknown:

control over that information.

Unknown:

And, you know, just like the Black Lives Matter movement,

Unknown:

saying, you know,

Unknown:

I matter my body might who I am matters, is really been hard for

Unknown:

people, white people, because, you know, yeah, I matter to

Unknown:

Yeah, people say that. However, I didn't go through 400 years of

Unknown:

slavery. I didn't matter at all. Yeah, like, it didn't have that

Unknown:

genetic experience. And so there's something really

Unknown:

important to know that yeah, I have I have choice. And I don't

Unknown:

have choice. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. I thought of that

Unknown:

when I said that, you know, so there's institutional forces.

Unknown:

And so it's important to be aware of our history to be aware

Unknown:

of where I stand, like, financially class, even, you

Unknown:

know, how much wealth I have or privilege I have, yeah, there

Unknown:

are these, you know, power and privilege circles that you can

Unknown:

put, you know, what, what, where am I? You know, in terms of,

Unknown:

yes, where I fall in being

Unknown:

educated, you know, where's my power, but where and where don't

Unknown:

want to have power? We all have that. Yeah, it's good to look

Unknown:

at. It is good. Yeah. What does it feel like in your body? To

Unknown:

that my neighbor might not have health insurance? Yes, yes. I

Unknown:

haven't. And they don't, is that okay? No, it's like, there's

Unknown:

something that my mentors that I've been working with for a

Unknown:

while talk about essential goodness, that we have the

Unknown:

ability to feel, oh, yeah, I care about people.

Unknown:

And to keep remembering that and to come to that, that's, that's

Unknown:

an embodied knowing what's important to me.

Unknown:

Where do I actually literally want to put my body

Unknown:

take a stand in a way or where I put my energy? So the healing

Unknown:

that I do inside helps me.

Unknown:

So that inside outside, just like we talked about at the

Unknown:

beginning, what's outside goes inside. So when I have a sense

Unknown:

of myself, what can I bring forth in the world who I am. You

Unknown:

don't have to be famous. I don't have to, you know, I don't know

Unknown:

whatever.

Unknown:

We're going to write a book, but I am really committed to that.

Unknown:

Being who I am like that in the world bringing that into the

Unknown:

world. It's a very spiritual thing. Really? Yeah, it is.

Unknown:

It's such a gift. I mean, when when I asked you, if the Rosen

Unknown:

method is far reaching, it's you said that there are not so many

Unknown:

practitioners in the world, would you say?

Unknown:

There's, there's there's an institute Rosen Institute in

Unknown:

that, yeah, it's not a huge number. And I think part of it

Unknown:

is, it's asking us to do our own work. So when we are with

Unknown:

people, yeah.

Unknown:

We can really be with whatever arises, and I have to do my own

Unknown:

work. And I don't think

Unknown:

it comes

Unknown:

until you're older.

Unknown:

In a certain way. Yeah. In your 20s, you're more out you're

Unknown:

exploring, you know, it's like the inner the inner mean, I

Unknown:

think it could come. I mean, I think if we had had a different

Unknown:

society, maybe it would come more, but I think takes a while.

Unknown:

Yeah, to do your own healing to be able to really be with people

Unknown:

in this way.

Unknown:

Yeah, yeah. And even, you know, how, research shows that

Unknown:

developmentally, you know, you reach developmentally 2627. For

Unknown:

men, it can be even a little bit later. Because I often think

Unknown:

about that, like, oh,

Unknown:

will consciousness rise? And younger populations early? I

Unknown:

think it is, actually. Yeah. And I think part of it is, is

Unknown:

because of this, the larger container, because people are

Unknown:

saying,

Unknown:

you know, like this LGBTQ, you know, gay marriage, you know,

Unknown:

because everybody, people and the people are out and people,

Unknown:

almost everybody knows someone who's gay, they work with them,

Unknown:

or

Unknown:

their parents, you know, at the same school. So there's,

Unknown:

there's, if we can, and I think integration is also helped that

Unknown:

to a certain degree that we have just more experience with people

Unknown:

who are different than us, or who we haven't known. I live in

Unknown:

a neighborhood with lots of we have a lot of Somali immigrants

Unknown:

here. And I live in a neighborhood with lots of Somali

Unknown:

people. Yeah, so I get, and that was out the other night at

Unknown:

Minnehaha. Fall. It was a beautiful spring evening. And

Unknown:

there were people in saris and people playing. I mean, they're

Unknown:

just people of all races and kids running around playing with

Unknown:

each other. It was so sweet. That is, it is multicultural.

Unknown:

Yes. Space. Yeah. And people are great. I lived as Yeah. And I

Unknown:

watched my kids and how they're experiencing life, and we live

Unknown:

right outside of a big city as well. is,

Unknown:

you know, they, they're exposed to just a lot of difference of

Unknown:

expression thought and so almost like when a couple of them have

Unknown:

gone to university, it's been like a little more insular. And

Unknown:

not as,

Unknown:

you know, maybe in thought and academics. But yeah, it's a

Unknown:

different time. And, and they're not afraid to say, Hey, you, you

Unknown:

said that the wrong way, are you and it's wonderful, because it

Unknown:

is we are moving into that time of just more acceptance. I'm

Unknown:

just in conversations like these just

Unknown:

sort of bring ideas to more people. It's exponential. So I

Unknown:

don't know if you want to finish, Marjorie, with anything

Unknown:

we haven't touched upon yet. So I'll ask you that before we

Unknown:

finish up. I think the only other thing that I didn't say

Unknown:

is, you know, to really that non judgmental piece for ourselves,

Unknown:

that what we did to survive something

Unknown:

we shouldn't ever judge. Yeah. And that actually, we should can

Unknown:

we receive it in that kind, loving way? It's like, oh, I had

Unknown:

to hold I had to hold

Unknown:

in order to get through something. And our bodies offer

Unknown:

us that gift in a way. Yeah. But then they say, you know, like,

Unknown:

that person is just like, I can't do this anymore. There's

Unknown:

some at some point, it says knocks on our door and says,

Unknown:

Hell, yes. Right. Yes. And so that's why people come, I think,

Unknown:

to me is that they've tried many things.

Unknown:

And so this idea of listening to what needs Yeah, is a really

Unknown:

different approach than trying to fix it and do something,

Unknown:

right. And then and then and to say, Okay, I'm going to really

Unknown:

listen now and not judge you and not try to force you to be

Unknown:

different to receive, oh, your pain, or your sadness, like your

Unknown:

hip

Unknown:

and say, oh, yeah, that's what you needed to feel sad. And can

Unknown:

it be safe enough and Okay, enough and have, you know, a

Unknown:

supportive environment to explore maybe even what's

Unknown:

underneath that?

Unknown:

That something about that

Unknown:

really honoring those survival mechanisms, but also knowing

Unknown:

that

Unknown:

there's a way that our bodies can process that. Yeah. Yeah.

Unknown:

And then it takes time. Sometimes Sometimes we have to

Unknown:

titrate we have to do little bits at a time. We can't just do

Unknown:

it fell swoop. It's kind of like breathing someone. Like, yeah. I

Unknown:

don't grieve somewhat all you know what, at one point, I might

Unknown:

have a memory of my grandmother. Yeah. And I'll feel sad again.

Unknown:

Yeah, I know. So true. I entered a church the other day. And it's

Unknown:

like, my dad had most recently died, but just the memories of

Unknown:

my mom, you know, who passed away a while ago. And I like

Unknown:

that you're, that's kind of how we're kind of finishing up

Unknown:

because reminds me.

Unknown:

She'll know which sister it is, if I say this, but I think she

Unknown:

was having back pain. And I had asked a question, like, I wonder

Unknown:

what it's here to tell you. And I don't think that we've been

Unknown:

cultured to ask that question first. And so

Unknown:

but I think it's a great place to start. And like you're

Unknown:

saying, without judgment, almost with reverence. Like, it might

Unknown:

be painful, but how have you protected me? Thank you. And I'm

Unknown:

so curious about what what's here for me?

Unknown:

Yeah, I don't want I don't want to, you know, go to the doctor.

Unknown:

Make sure it's not something structural or Yeah, right.

Unknown:

Exactly. Yes. Another way in and yeah, yeah. Can I experience

Unknown:

something different? What? Yeah. What? What was it? Like, before

Unknown:

I had to do that? I don't know. You know, whatever arises from

Unknown:

your own wisdom and experience. Yeah. I like them to attend the

Unknown:

wound. Yes. And you bring up a good just point of, it's, it's

Unknown:

multi dimensional. It's i That's the way when I went through my

Unknown:

healing journey. I kind of like, I was curious, I tried

Unknown:

acupuncture. I tried Reiki I had never done it, you know, and

Unknown:

it's such a gift to go to a healer like yourself, if that's

Unknown:

possible. Where can the listeners find you? I think you

Unknown:

have a website, a website. And there's I teach sometimes the

Unknown:

Rosen method, open center, just based in New York, but we teach

Unknown:

anywhere, okay. And they're in Minnesota, we're offering an

Unknown:

introductory workshop to both the movement and the bodywork in

Unknown:

September, and we've got some students here. And so we're

Unknown:

offering some other kinds of trainings. Okay, but who want to

Unknown:

study it? Yeah, probably an intensive, November here.

Unknown:

Beautiful. Yeah, it's for personal growth or for

Unknown:

professional growth. It's not you don't have to become a

Unknown:

practitioner, you can just be for your own experience. And,

Unknown:

yeah, gorgeous. Yeah. Building and there are others. There are

Unknown:

other centers around the world. So the Rosen Institute has a

Unknown:

list of them. Okay. There's, there's a couple more in the

Unknown:

United States. Yeah, that's great. We'll put all the

Unknown:

information in the show notes of the episode.

Unknown:

I want to thank you for being here and sharing your wisdom,

Unknown:

your knowledge and your body of work with us, Marjorie, it's

Unknown:

been a real pleasure to sit with you. Yeah, it's been really fun.

Unknown:

I'm surprised I'm we're relaxing.

Unknown:

I love that. Okay, I want to say thanks to the listeners. Thanks

Unknown:

for being here. And we'll see you next time.

Unknown:

Thanks for listening to this episode of mystical sisterhood.

Unknown:

If you love what you heard, please visit Apple podcast and

Unknown:

subscribe and leave a review and share with a friend if you're

Unknown:

called to do so. To learn more about my one on one coaching

Unknown:

programs, or join the mystical sisterhood membership, visit

Unknown:

Maureen spielman.com or mystical sisterhood.com Thanks so much.

Unknown:

I'll see you in the next episode.