Unlocking Your Spark With Dena Wiggins

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Welcome to Deena Wiggins on the mystical

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sisterhood podcast today. Deena is a purpose doula, which you

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will find out what that means a master soulful facilitator and a

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global purpose leader, Dina absolutely brings her energy and

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passion to this conversation today. She allows us into her

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life and some things that have unfolded for her, that led to

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her own awakening. It's incredibly inspiring. And it's

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led to her work and helping supporting individuals find

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their spark within Spark, I believe she believes is just

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waiting to come out. Her body of work is so extensive, and her

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energy is palpable. So I hope you enjoy this this conversation

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that's just filled and loaded with so many goodies. And I just

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look forward to hearing your feedback on the episode. I

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enjoyed it so much. So with that, we'll go to the episode.

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Thanks for being here. Hey there, welcome to mystical

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sisterhood. This is your host, Maureen Spielman. I started the

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show to highlight the intuitives, healers and other

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courageous women that I've met along my journey and continue to

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meet. Through amazing interviews, I seek to ask

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insightful questions to uncover ways in which you the listener

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can apply the wisdom and knowledge to your own life. I

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believe that we're all in this together. So sharing healing and

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joy, and bringing community together is both my passion and

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purpose. If you'd like to learn more about the mystical

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sisterhood community I'm building, please visit www

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mystical sisterhood.com See you in the episode. Welcome Dina

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Wiggins to mystical sisterhood. You and I had the pleasure of

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meeting through our dear friend and your colleague Susan Lucci

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from episode nine for our listeners, I'm just welcoming

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you here and so interested in what you have to share with our

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audience around purpose around igniting the divine gifts within

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and sharing with our audience, the modalities that you've

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tapped into, in order to discover these gifts within. I

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think that we can never hear enough of these messages. And I

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get so excited because of the uniqueness that you're bringing

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to the conversation and to the table. And it's going to be just

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what it's meant to be. But I say welcome. And I just am so

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excited for you to be here.

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Oh, wow. I am delighted to be here. With you.

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I absolutely love the interview that you did with Susan. It

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didn't feel like an interview. It felt like this conversation.

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Like we were all just kind of hanging out in someone's living

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room or like around a bonfire or something and just having this

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juicy conversation. It felt extremely Invitational and I

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just want to say thank you, marine for following your spark

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creating this place and having all of these wonderful

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conversations for us to connect and find each other. And just to

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really believe in like, what's up in our lives. So thank you.

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Yeah, of course. And I thanks for

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reflecting that back to me. It's always a valuable reflection to

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me. I think that when we spoke the other day i i have been

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years in the making of what came to be, but I didn't know it. I

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didn't know what was happening along the way. I had periods of

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I feel like intense frustration with myself for not being

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somewhere this this you know, this place that I had in my mind

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that I was supposed to be and I think that I don't know if I

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alluded to it and Susan Lucci is episode but just that that I was

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just so lost for so long. And I didn't have any reflection or,

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or knowing because I just didn't know how to tap into the fact

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that what I was doing at the time was exactly where I needed

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to be. I wish that I would have had known that at the time. But

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that even if the things well, I know it all does, but like the

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bigger things that contributed to this birthing of mystical

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sisterhood. They were they were happening in perfect order and

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they they actually were a big pieces to my story. And yeah,

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I'll just kind of start with that, you know, Oh, I know, when

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I look at your website, Deena, it's wide ranging. But how did

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you begin? And how did you kind of come to this work? To begin

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with? Yeah,

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yeah, just such a great question. So I think similar to

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you, it was just leaving. It wasn't like this finite point

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that like, had this like linear plot. But at this thing that

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life was speaking to me. And over a period of time, I kind of

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recognized it. But I recognized it and what I call the rear view

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mirror wisdom. It was like after some time had passed, and then I

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look back, I'm like, Oh, wow. That's what that was. And so

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initially, it was just like this, ah, to recognize the

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pattern. And over time, it turned into like, what you were

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saying this frustration? Because I was like, How do I sync up

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with this? Because the thing that was tugging at my heart,

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were like, missing connection, or, like missing this divine

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timing or just these opportunities? And also, wow, I

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really want to sync up with that. And I think that whoever

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hears that heard that, yeah, believe that when I said it,

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because it was like all of these things happen. But it was a

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bumpy road. It was a really bumpy road. And so I think for

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me, one of the pivotal points in my life happened when I thought

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things were coming together. And I had this tendency that came

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from my childhood, that want it to have a happy ending, that

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want it to have this, like, tie a nice bow around it. And all of

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this, like really difficult stuff had meaning or whatever.

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And then it you know, end it is, and life has been showing me

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throughout the years, it doesn't work that way. Every ending is a

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new beginning. So it's more of like a spiral. It's not like

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that. And so I think now that led to my work really being

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around, you know, how do we stay with that? How do we stay in the

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mystery? How do we stay in the inquiry, if that's true, and

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being like really more experiential, but the pathway

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that led to that was actually having a stroke. In my early

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40s, that happened, at least I don't know if there's ever a

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time when you can think of having a major health wake up

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call. But this one happened after being laid off. From a job

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that I loved. I thought I had a right, I thought I was working

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for a consultancy, that was a conscientious consultancy,

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specializing in change management in a way that was the

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most integrated that I had ever experienced at that point. And I

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was like, Oh, my gosh, I found my people, like, this is it. And

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it was it until it wasn't it. And after that experience, I

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thought, Oh, wow, this time, I'm gonna go have this European

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vacation with my family. When I went to grad school, I went to

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grad school and studied abroad. And I just wanted my family to

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have some of the rich experience that I had with my cohort. And

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that was like this dream that I had been manifesting. Right. So

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you seeing this pattern, nice bows, or whatever. And they

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unraveled when I realized that I was having, I was in the midst

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of a stroke that no one could identify like, what was really

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the catalyst? Yeah, so it was one of those inquiries that like

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knocks you down. It's no finite answer. And then my body started

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talking to me in a way that I recognized my body was talking

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to me. And if I'm honest, it was probably talking to me for a

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while. Yeah, and I just wasn't listening. Because I was so

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attuned to kind of what you were talking about marine of like

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this definition of success. And just like okay, if I get the

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degrees, if I am just like this superduper employee doing all

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the things crossing, all the T's, dotting all the i's, having

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all the right relationships, that my life would flourish in a

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way. And in doing those things, I realized now looking back,

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that I was moving further and further and further away from my

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authenticity. and putting on the masks and doing all the things

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that some well meaning mentors, were telling me to do to fit

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into a world, instead of being a part of what is changing the

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world, not only for me, but for countless other people beyond me

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behind me. So they wouldn't have to experience that type of

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switching to get ahead. And my body was keeping score of all of

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this, as well as all of the unresolved hurts and booboos

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that I had early on in my life. And so the stroke happened, I

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lost half of my vision at that time. And then I would have

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these experiences where whatever was happening was a process that

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was spreading to my other eye. And so in those moments, it was

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like, nothing else could penetrate this invitation to

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like, really slow down and pay attention. Wow. And so that was

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like a journey of 18 months. And during those 18 months, I was

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reflecting back and just saying, wait a minute, what is

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happening? And I was kind of getting what I call downloads,

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which are these understandings that are being that were

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welcoming to welcoming me to a different level of

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consciousness. That was just like, wow, you've been carrying

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a lot of stress. Yeah, wow, you've been carrying a lot of

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should have supposed to, I wish I did all these things, and

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they're manifesting in your body. And this was not the first

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time that I experienced that I had had some breast cancer

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scares. And the download that I got then was, these are pockets

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of anger, that needs to be released from your body. It's

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not what you think it is. And so here was another, you know,

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invitation to like, what is my body really telling me? Mm hmm.

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And so I connect it with like, the beautiful work of Louise

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Hay. And just like these different ways of like decoding,

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like what was happening. And I remember one day vividly, that I

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was in my family room on this day, and I had begun this. So

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backstory, I worked in facilitation and strategy. So I

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leaned a lot on the analytic side of myself. And so I was

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doing all this thing mapping with the sticky notes and doing

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all these things to like, map out my life. And one day and my

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family rooms, all of the sticky notes, lost the glue on the bag,

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fell to the floor. And I was in a ball just like stopping, like,

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oh, my gosh, I've been working on this for months, oh, my gosh,

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was just starting to make sense. And in that moment, was just

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like the boom, that happened. And I just said, I just spoke

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out to the world and just said, I want to know the truth. I want

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to know what's real. I want to stop making these house, these

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houses of cards, that when they collapse, it's like a good thing

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to get you through some moments, but at a period of time they

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collapse. And it's really hard to get back up after that

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happens. And then my life changed. Oh, yes.

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Thank you for the whole backstory or not even

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the whole of it. But just all of that, because I think that, you

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know, I'll just say that even when I was looking at your

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website, Dina, you know, the thing about these conversations

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that's so valuable, is to take people back in time, because I

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was thinking about it and like, oh my gosh, she's got all these

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resources. Look at all she's done. And people might say, Oh,

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she's got it all together. And we still know we're a work in

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progress, of course. But we you started there, and just the

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incredible innate wisdom of your body, saying, dropping the

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whispers across time, but then saying, Oh, we might have to do

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something a little more to get this woman's attention here. And

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but then listening, I'm curious about the downloads. Did you

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find because you so you had, I want you to say more about the

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downloads and how those came to us so that people have an idea

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of what those could look like. And then also you were also

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reaching for some external tools like books and things to maybe

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teach you new new ways of looking at the world or new

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skill sets. But yeah,

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yeah, get these amazing story. So there is something

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that I think kind of began when I was a child Old, about nine

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years old. That was just like what I would call a download

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what, which is like something coming into my consciousness. So

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imagine this nine years old, not being in a safe environment. And

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I spent a lot of time in my room. And because something was

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presencing itself to me when I would go into this room, and was

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just like giving me these different games to play. And

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these different games that I was playing, actually are like

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foundational to some of my books, my programs and

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everything. Because I've been playing with them for most of my

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life. I'm 54. Now. Yeah. And so the first one I can think of is

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like, what's so special about today, and it was teaching me to

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like focus on one source of gratitude throughout the day,

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which would just lead to another and lead to another and lead to

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another and so my room, and that the templates of time ended up

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being magical.

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Did you have a way of writing it down? Or did

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you have a wave?

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Down? Nine, so I would just like, it was just enough to

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know that I'm in the middle of like, a really, really, really

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hard time really hard, really serious stuff that cause me to

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be displaced from my home for a while I'm sick, I mean, serious

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stuff. But yet, there was a spark. Yeah, that was still

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there. And for me, that spark started with gratitude. Then,

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the downloads taught me about synchronicity, because like,

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literally, there were certain I am musically inclined. And so

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there were certain songs that would just like take me

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someplace else. 70s great music, but this will take me someplace

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else. And I would turn that would be station from station to

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station. And I was just like, this is being gifted to me in

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this moment. I just knew that it was, I didn't know the word

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synchronicity at night. But I knew that something was

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happening to let me know you're not alone. And it was just like

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feeding my spirit, and allowing me to be joyous in a time that,

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you know, would defy logic in the in the moment. And so that

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was like my first and I never told anyone about it, which was

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interesting. Yeah. It wasn't a fear. It was just like, I just

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accepted it as my reality. I just didn't think about it, you

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know. And so, as I got older, what I learned is that, like,

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life speaks to me in Sparks and nudges. And so what sparks and

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nudges feel like someone wrote in a book, once, that voice that

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you hear when you're at the grocery store that says, go down

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this out and get this thing or, you know, whatever, and it's not

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on your list. It's not what you plan to go. But if you listen to

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it, you figure out why you're on that aisle. Yeah, if you don't

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listen to it, you get home and you're like, you know, and so I

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was just like, wow, so went from frustration with, with

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experiences like that to let me stop and pay attention. So I

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would assert that the same way when not the same way, but that

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availability is available to all of us in different ways. And so

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a part of the childlike wonder, and curiosity is like, what's my

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spark? I call it spark language. What is the way that life knows

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how to get my attention, and to share things with me that are

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for me? So it's like the embodiment of some of the what I

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call resonant principles, like the universe has my back, you

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know, or, you know, life is working for me this these

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things? Yeah, they have a universal value. Well, how do

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they play out on your life? And so it goes from being living

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here to living in the heart, mind body? Because it's like,

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this is how it happens for me. So for me, I guess I just get,

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um, downloads. And I've learned over the years, when I am more

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prone to have downloads when I wake up when I get awakened at

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four o'clock in the morning, sometime between four and five.

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That's my download time. Yeah, I don't know if it's because I'm

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relaxed. It's a lot of different wisdom traditions that we'll

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talk about why that happens at that time. I don't care. Yes,

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here for it. So what I do is, I will keep my phone close to me.

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And I learned that when I'm groggy and half awake, I can

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speak a voice memo. I can do something and then I go back to

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sleep. Yes. When? Yeah. And I don't do that. I don't

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acknowledge that something's communicating with me. Then I'm

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up. I'm frustrated. I can't like oh, I just want to go back to

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sleep. Something is communicating with me. Yes. When

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I'm outside working in the soil, Like planting, it's this time of

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year is so juicy for downloads for me, this is a part of my

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cycle. Yep. And so I know I have to get out, I have to get my

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hands in the ground, I have to plant I have to prune, I have to

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do this. And I just have clarity. And I can hear

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you just that, that open vessel, right? You

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just, you're and you're when you're open to receive it, I

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feel like you're not pushing it away. There's just you're just

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creating a through line to receive, which is so important.

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That reminds me more of the flow the reception, but I like what

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you're saying for myself for the audience, because that's the

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voice that I didn't used to know was giving me messages but all

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the time. And I think Valerie from Valerie would from an

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another episode had talked about, I asked her how do you

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know the difference between it's your mind? And I don't know, if

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you have your own answer to this, how do you know the

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difference between if it's your mind, or if it's that

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channeling, and she said, often sort of like your grocery store

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aisle, it's like, when it's something so unexpected, that

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just falls into your, your pathway, that that's the

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Divinity That's the voice coming to you.

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salutely. It's just like, you just, it's like, you

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hear something and a part of you. It's like you're hearing

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something new, or it's a new way a new lens or something. And

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yet, there's a part of you that recognizes it. Yeah, it's just

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that's not that's the way I can describe it. And I think that

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that's what people mean, when they use the word resonant. Like

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it's something that knows, I just believe that this is a time

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of the great remembering. And so it's like, and I think that we

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have all types of resources that help us to, like, remember some

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things that we could be disconnected from for a number

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of reasons. Some reasons could be conditioning, just like, you

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know, doing that, where we have ancestors, family members doing

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the best they can to keep us safe. Yeah. And so we sometimes

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that safety, we sacrifice this other knowing, especially if

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that's not a part of dominant culture, or, you know, the way

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that we're supposed to know things. And so it's a it's any

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number, it's any number of reasons. But I think what gives

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me hope is that we're reconnecting, I believe. Yeah, I

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think so now, because I'm attuned to this. And another

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thing that we can do, in terms of our Spark is like, really

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break it down, when we have these type of moments, and go

Unknown: 00:22:50

back as a witness to your own experience. So it's like you're

Unknown: 00:22:56

in the past, and you're in the present, and you're almost like,

Unknown: 00:23:00

I'm scribing, this experience, so you know what it feels like

Unknown: 00:23:04

in your body? Yeah, because sometimes the body will

Unknown: 00:23:08

recognize incoming, something's coming in, pay attention before

Unknown: 00:23:13

the mind can say, I don't know about that. And kind of, you

Unknown: 00:23:17

know, steer you off or whatever. But you can actually, as a

Unknown: 00:23:20

practice, start to recognize, so I'll recognize that, it'll,

Unknown: 00:23:25

it'll feel like butterflies in my stomach. And I'm just like,

Unknown: 00:23:28

oh, let me hold on, let me, let me just check in let me just pay

Unknown: 00:23:31

attention, or whatever. And it's just my practice, just so that I

Unknown: 00:23:36

can, like attune to that. And so that can become more sensitive.

Unknown: 00:23:39

And to your question, or the you know, the difference between,

Unknown: 00:23:42

like your mind, and this intelligence that's connecting

Unknown: 00:23:46

with you. A lot of times, my mind will sound like an inner

Unknown: 00:23:51

critic. And so it's a different tonal quality, it's loud. It's

Unknown: 00:23:56

like, whatever, and it doesn't feel like it lives in me, it

Unknown: 00:24:00

feels like, well, it's kind of in me, but it's like, it's just

Unknown: 00:24:03

I don't know. So it's a different feeling. This other

Unknown: 00:24:06

voice is more like a soft nudge. That's why I call it sparks and

Unknown: 00:24:10

nudges. It's just like, like a, you know, like a gentle

Unknown: 00:24:15

reminder. Going out. Yeah, it's not saying, Do you need to go

Unknown: 00:24:21

now seven, you know, don't do what I say. And that's the other

Unknown: 00:24:26

voice, right? And so, in order to, in order to be to hear that

Unknown: 00:24:33

small voice, that's why I'm saying slow down, when you can

Unknown: 00:24:38

feel that like, wait a minute, something got my attention in a

Unknown: 00:24:42

way I don't quite understand. But I'm going to slow down

Unknown: 00:24:44

enough just to see if something's there. And if not, I

Unknown: 00:24:47

can keep it moving. But I'm acknowledging, acknowledging. So

Unknown: 00:24:51

if I can acknowledge at a pause and acknowledge and writing

Unknown: 00:24:55

something down, I can acknowledge and a memo and I'm

Unknown: 00:24:58

telling you, I will tell you that At the file that I keep in

Unknown: 00:25:02

my phone that has the recording of all this stuff that just acts

Unknown: 00:25:07

like it doesn't even look like those together. They've ended up

Unknown: 00:25:09

being books. They've ended up coming together and collecting

Unknown: 00:25:14

and becoming programs and things of service as I didn't see.

Unknown: 00:25:18

Yeah,

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:19

yeah. That's really amazing. I love it, the

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:24

compilation, I've been writing down my dreams a lot like that.

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:27

And it's interesting you say that, because I'll often get up

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:30

around five and go back to sleep for an hour and a lot comes to

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:33

me then as well. But that was really important to me in what

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:38

you're saying, not only all the beautiful shares, but and I'm

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:42

testament to this. And I know so many people listening, I was the

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:46

busy one for so, so long. And I don't know if it's what you're

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:50

saying, like, this time of great remembering, it feels more, it

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:55

feels like there's a spaciousness, at least coming

Maureen Spielman: 00:25:59

from me. And I'm, you know, hopeful that we're feeling that

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:03

as we spread all these messages. And, and I know that I'm slowing

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:07

down. So in order to receive what I hear you saying like even

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:11

when you talk about that pause, and that the in between? And the

Maureen Spielman: 00:26:15

it's a slowing down? It's it's a different quality? Yeah,

Unknown: 00:26:21

absolutely. Absolutely. And when you're saying like, all

Unknown: 00:26:25

the stuff that's on the website, and things like the name of my

Unknown: 00:26:29

LLC, is success by planning. So a lot of me was like wired to

Unknown: 00:26:35

like, what's the plan? What's the rollout? What's the, you

Unknown: 00:26:38

know, all these things? What are the best practices? And I'm not

Unknown: 00:26:41

saying there's not a space for that. But what's the dance

Unknown: 00:26:45

between the structure and the flow? And so everything that

Unknown: 00:26:50

started happening after that declaration with my sticky notes

Unknown: 00:26:53

in the family room, has been download inspired, if not

Unknown: 00:26:59

driven? Yeah,

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:00

I'm sitting there, like, I mean, when they

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:02

say the wisdom is within us. That's it, huh? That and it's a

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:07

belief system to that it is there for us. That's a cross.

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:11

That's a threshold we cross. And we, but I think that even as a

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:14

coaching principle, when I first started getting into coaching is

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:17

the client in front of you has all the wisdom, but these are

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:20

the messages for me at least that keep on getting just over,

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:25

you know, they're cemented more and more and more as the truth.

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:29

And for me, they're replacing maybe some old truths that I

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:34

thought were true. And it's sort of what you were saying all the

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:37

things you believe to be true with the gold shiny bow. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:41

that makes me kind of laugh too. Because when we think when you

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:46

were sharing your story of Oh, and it was all gonna be wrapped

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:48

up in the bow. It's like, what did we think was after that? We

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:53

were done living it 40 or 50? Or whatever it is. It's like, no,

Maureen Spielman: 00:27:57

that's not the purpose. I feel like we're ever evolving, ever

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:00

unfolding. Yeah. So then talk about to like, so then when you

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:05

got to that part of your life after your strokes and after

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:09

those 18 months? Where did you find yourself? And then I know

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:13

you're saying like, it's so much came from downloads, but it

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:15

really got channeled into this more, a little more, a little

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:19

more refinement? I don't know if that's really true, because I

Maureen Spielman: 00:28:21

see you as also a broad practitioner.

Unknown: 00:28:26

Yeah, I think it's a both and, and so it's because it

Unknown: 00:28:29

all, it all doesn't come in at once. It's just, it almost feels

Unknown: 00:28:33

like following breadcrumbs that you know, gather. And then next

Unknown: 00:28:40

thing you know, you have a loaf of bread, you have a meal. But

Unknown: 00:28:43

it's like, it's almost like the belief did that like, wow, this

Unknown: 00:28:48

bread crumb is for me. And I'm just going to enjoy it, I'm just

Unknown: 00:28:53

going to have an experience. So a lot of it was experiential.

Unknown: 00:28:57

And I don't want to chime ahead. But it's like now because of

Unknown: 00:29:00

some of the modalities that I use. Now. When I look back, it

Unknown: 00:29:04

makes even more sense about like, why that was so alive for

Unknown: 00:29:08

me. But I can say that it was really about just this dance

Unknown: 00:29:16

that I was doing, where it was like, Okay, let me go and have

Unknown: 00:29:19

an experience with this. And so that's how I kind of like

Unknown: 00:29:23

shifted, I was already curious about purpose, when I was

Unknown: 00:29:27

working in strategy and change management. But it was in the

Unknown: 00:29:30

early 2000s. In that conversation, believe it or not,

Unknown: 00:29:35

was like it was a really disruptive conversation, even in

Unknown: 00:29:39

my world with this conscious group. And whatever it was just

Unknown: 00:29:43

like, how did you What do you mean, you know, how do you you

Unknown: 00:29:47

know, I'm just like, I just think that we do I really think

Unknown: 00:29:50

that and I think that when we attune to that. It allows us to

Unknown: 00:29:54

have a freedom and agency. And well how do you do that? I don't

Unknown: 00:29:58

know, but I'm really Curious about how I like in other words,

Unknown: 00:30:03

my I think my entry was, this is almost like Goldilocks, like,

Unknown: 00:30:09

it's not this, I'm not really sure what it is, but it's not

Unknown: 00:30:12

this. And so it just so happened the head after I had my stroke

Unknown: 00:30:17

after those 18 months after that declaration, I got a download

Unknown: 00:30:21

one day and I was doing all of these different I love to

Unknown: 00:30:24

research. And so I was researching purpose. And just

Unknown: 00:30:28

like, you know, getting some thoughts together, reading some

Unknown: 00:30:31

books and things like that. I had already had some ideas

Unknown: 00:30:34

because of some of the programs that I created, with my one on

Unknown: 00:30:40

one coaching in the realm of strategy. But it just wasn't

Unknown: 00:30:45

crystal to me. And so one day, I got a download, they said, do a

Unknown: 00:30:50

search for purpose and economy, I heard it, I do a search. And

Unknown: 00:30:54

when I did, it was the day that the book The purpose economy

Unknown: 00:30:57

came out, whoa. It was April the 15th. I can't tell you what

Unknown: 00:31:03

year, but I'm telling you, it was that like, and I got the

Unknown: 00:31:09

book, I read the book, it was crazy. Everybody that I could

Unknown: 00:31:13

share it, um, that survey instrument, the initial version,

Unknown: 00:31:18

you gotta go check this out, you gotta go check this out. And I

Unknown: 00:31:21

was just playing with it. And I was just like, Oh, my God, what

Unknown: 00:31:23

I want to do, I'm taking this to the Department of Labor. I want

Unknown: 00:31:27

to hold workshops for displaced employees. I want them to be

Unknown: 00:31:30

able to reimagine themselves, not from jobs and from roles,

Unknown: 00:31:35

but from these, these pillars, these inner pillars, and they

Unknown: 00:31:40

can just recreate and I just like that's where I was. So I

Unknown: 00:31:43

was knocking on the door of the people that the Aaron hearse for

Unknown: 00:31:49

his business, like how could come? Do I need to have

Unknown: 00:31:51

permission? Do I need to have a licensing group? What do I need?

Unknown: 00:31:54

Because I'm pitching this to Department of Labor? And then

Unknown: 00:31:58

you know, so forth. So yeah, I think it was maybe about two

Unknown: 00:32:01

years. And I would not and I was like, they probably think I'm

Unknown: 00:32:05

crazy. But I wasn't getting a response. What and then

Unknown: 00:32:09

something told me send another email. And when I sent this

Unknown: 00:32:13

email, I got a response. And the response that I got was Gina,

Unknown: 00:32:17

we're about to open a coaching training for small businesses.

Unknown: 00:32:22

Yeah. Would you like to participate? This is the this is

Unknown: 00:32:25

the initiating cohort.

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:28

Fascinating, fascinating. And I just love I

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:32

love all parts of that the synchrony synchronicity of that

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:36

download. And I love what you were saying before to leaning

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:39

into the experiences that came your way. Because I know that's

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:43

just going back a teeny bit, but I really like it for was ever

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:48

meant to listen to this today. Because I was wondering what you

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:52

called it sometimes I called a rock bottom. That that like

Maureen Spielman: 00:32:57

skidding out I when I had gone through my health journey, I

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:00

felt I would always say like I felt it was like a time of

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:03

falling to my knees. It was just it was I was in such surrender.

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:07

But so many people are experiencing that right now. So

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:11

what you experienced in your life that led to your

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:15

reawakening your rebirthing what you know, I'm sure you have

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:18

beautiful names for that so many people are going through. And so

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:23

I love how you're describing, you're almost I always think of

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:27

like the like, then you were down here sort of at that

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:30

bottom. I don't even know if that's correct. But your ascent

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:33

back like the step the steps that got you and really leaning

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:37

into what life brought your way, but of creating it yourself as

Maureen Spielman: 00:33:40

well.

Unknown: 00:33:41

Yeah, I think that creating yours, I think it's

Unknown: 00:33:43

important, I think Maya Angelou talks about this aspect. And she

Unknown: 00:33:48

says that, you know, we always wonder if the transformation of

Unknown: 00:33:51

the butterfly, but we don't ask about like what the journey was.

Unknown: 00:33:56

And I'm paraphrasing. Yeah. So I think this is the time to like,

Unknown: 00:33:59

crawl into the thing and crawl into the journey. So we're not

Unknown: 00:34:03

experts. We're just people that are sharing our lived

Unknown: 00:34:08

experience. Yes. And are learning some things as a

Unknown: 00:34:12

collective. So my self awareness grows into this collective

Unknown: 00:34:17

awareness that's, like emergent. And so in order to do that, I

Unknown: 00:34:22

want to share from the place of not when I have the nice shiny

Unknown: 00:34:25

bow, which we can see a lot of that and I'm not negating that.

Unknown: 00:34:30

I'm just noticing there's a lot of that and personal

Unknown: 00:34:32

transformation. What about when you are, you know, picking

Unknown: 00:34:38

yourself up? What about when all your sticky notes fall on the

Unknown: 00:34:41

floor, your version of that, where you think, well, you're

Unknown: 00:34:44

using your best thinking is try to reinvent yourself or try to

Unknown: 00:34:49

pick yourself up. And it's like, it's not that and so what about

Unknown: 00:34:54

that space of awe? And I'm calling it on purpose. So we

Unknown: 00:34:58

have other words like Luke Like volatile, uncertain complex, and

Unknown: 00:35:02

I think that's true. But I also love this book about, ah, from

Unknown: 00:35:07

someone that's been studying it for 26 years. And he talks about

Unknown: 00:35:10

how in the art space and then not knowing what if we embrace

Unknown: 00:35:14

that, and just realize that something is trying to come into

Unknown: 00:35:19

our frame of reference to give us meaning we don't have the

Unknown: 00:35:22

meaning. We don't have it. But it's we're being inviting,

Unknown: 00:35:27

invited to experience it. And to, you know, whatever happens

Unknown: 00:35:33

from that point forward, like, I hesitate to even say, because

Unknown: 00:35:37

there's also a tendency of like, once I name it, then I control

Unknown: 00:35:41

it. And it doesn't feel like that's the next move in the

Unknown: 00:35:44

dance. It feels like what fit what feels real. And what's like

Unknown: 00:35:49

happening right now, in my world, and my sandboxes are the

Unknown: 00:35:53

recognition of something and the sharing it in the circle and

Unknown: 00:35:57

community. And then find like, oh, my gosh, I've experienced

Unknown: 00:36:02

that, too. I would call it this. Like, yeah, so you just like,

Unknown: 00:36:05

oh, wow, I'm that alone. And then you can like you can gather

Unknown: 00:36:09

and you can have community. And so it's like moving from that

Unknown: 00:36:13

the expert and moving to the let's build community around

Unknown: 00:36:17

these experiences, let's have transformational conversations,

Unknown: 00:36:22

vulnerable conversations, where we're telling the truth about

Unknown: 00:36:25

our experience, and not in the rush to like, let me see what's

Unknown: 00:36:29

there. So I can name it and package it and, you know,

Unknown: 00:36:32

whatever. It's like, what are the understandings that allow us

Unknown: 00:36:38

to really be in this time and our shared history, and that and

Unknown: 00:36:43

her story and their story? I just make them that's like, the

Unknown: 00:36:46

rhythm of like, right now. And so I talked about that in terms

Unknown: 00:36:51

of reps. So instead of making it so analytical and heavy, it's

Unknown: 00:36:56

like, what are the purpose reps that we're doing right now? So

Unknown: 00:36:59

you mentioned a couple that I talked about a lot, like, you

Unknown: 00:37:02

know, conditioning and deconditioning. Like, you know,

Unknown: 00:37:07

expanding our frame of reference, being able to compose

Unknown: 00:37:11

some ideas that maybe made sense at a certain point in time,

Unknown: 00:37:16

maybe I inherited them. But now we're open into like, wow, you

Unknown: 00:37:22

know, here's another way of being, here's another lens for

Unknown: 00:37:25

that. And that's just a graciousness, a gracious calling

Unknown: 00:37:28

in, that's allowing us to kind of decondition and again, about

Unknown: 00:37:34

that healing with ourselves. And I think that's really important,

Unknown: 00:37:37

like Dr. Gabor Ma Tei, I love him. And in his book, The Myth

Unknown: 00:37:43

of normal, I just listened to a beautiful conversation that he

Unknown: 00:37:46

was having facilitated by his daughter, beautiful. And so one

Unknown: 00:37:50

of the biggest sufferings, he asserts, is this lack of

Unknown: 00:37:56

belonging to ourselves, not from a narcissistic or, like totally

Unknown: 00:38:01

individualists way, but just like, in order to lend myself to

Unknown: 00:38:06

another, yes. Like I just the process of healing, and really

Unknown: 00:38:14

having an authentic sense of belonging and awareness. So that

Unknown: 00:38:18

can even have the presence and the availability and your worth

Unknown: 00:38:22

the spaciousness to be able to have authentic relations and

Unknown: 00:38:26

connections with others. Yeah.

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:29

And I think when we do that work that he

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:32

speaks of the inner healing, it is I know how it's assisted me

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:38

is to really take responsibility for you know, just myself, and

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:44

it has helped if I'm healing myself, I'm projecting on other

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:49

people less I'm looking to, I'm looking less to others to heal

Maureen Spielman: 00:38:55

something within me. And I take that on as my work. So it is the

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:00

both and it's the going in, or I love gabaars work as well. And

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:06

then I hear you talking a lot about this energy of the

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:09

collective and having the conversations and the vulnerable

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:11

spaces. I know this week, I have the privilege of assisting

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:15

someone who's opening up the conversations in a local school

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:18

about technology. And it is it's and she's going to be doing a

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:22

little circles and I'm also I love the other day, you have so

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:27

many of the purpose reps are so beautiful. I loved how you said

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:30

I think you used to call yourself a coach. But even that

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:33

now you're you're leaning towards doula. Will you tell the

Maureen Spielman: 00:39:37

audience why?

Unknown: 00:39:38

Yeah, sure. So just in this journey, to be the most in

Unknown: 00:39:44

integrity, and authenticity. And I just really, it's important to

Unknown: 00:39:50

me when working with clients, that they have an understanding,

Unknown: 00:39:54

an idea about the journey about the experience of working with

Unknown: 00:39:58

you. And I just was It's an authentic for me to say, coach,

Unknown: 00:40:02

it just says it just I can't do it. Because I want to honor the

Unknown: 00:40:08

sacredness of your journey. When you're talking about what are

Unknown: 00:40:12

you talking about that journey being purpose, whether you're

Unknown: 00:40:16

talking about that journey being your personal transformation, or

Unknown: 00:40:20

the transformation in systems, all of that is deeply sacred

Unknown: 00:40:24

work. And there isn't a dislike if I want to acknowledge that

Unknown: 00:40:29

there's a, an intelligence that's supporting me with

Unknown: 00:40:31

downloads, and I have a belief system that that's available for

Unknown: 00:40:35

every single person on the planet in the way that makes

Unknown: 00:40:41

sense for their design for their unique fingerprint, then I've

Unknown: 00:40:45

got to say, how do I work in service to that? How do I work

Unknown: 00:40:49

in partnership with that? How do I acknowledge that? Yes, there

Unknown: 00:40:55

are some things that I can provide some, some frameworks,

Unknown: 00:40:59

and some things. But guess what, we all get to birth our

Unknown: 00:41:03

transformations. And that's why I think I call all of my

Unknown: 00:41:09

programs began with unlocking. Yeah, because it's like when you

Unknown: 00:41:13

unlock you, that's like, teaching someone to fish

Unknown: 00:41:16

supporting someone learning how to fish because it's like, wow,

Unknown: 00:41:20

I want you to recognize when when sparks and nudges are

Unknown: 00:41:24

coming your way, in whatever way is meaningful for you, I want

Unknown: 00:41:27

you to discover and unlock your keys too often says

Unknown: 00:41:31

authenticity, your keys to agency, your keys to like, what

Unknown: 00:41:35

is mine to do in this precious time that I'm here on this earth

Unknown: 00:41:39

at this time? Yeah, because those things live in you, they

Unknown: 00:41:43

will expand in you, they will root within you. And that, to

Unknown: 00:41:49

me, is the thing that's important. Not like what is the

Unknown: 00:41:53

because I can tell you what I think all day. And you sound

Unknown: 00:41:56

really good. And there might not be anything close to what's

Unknown: 00:42:00

really happening with you as Yeah, I can't, you know, as but

Unknown: 00:42:05

versus here are some things that may help you to unlock, like,

Unknown: 00:42:10

what's happening with you your energetic blueprint, your path

Unknown: 00:42:13

to purpose journey that you can continue to have experiences

Unknown: 00:42:18

with. And so that's the thing to me that feels it just feels like

Unknown: 00:42:23

that's the way to be. Yeah, so I say doula, instead of instead of

Unknown: 00:42:28

poach,

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:29

it's beautiful. And it's so honoring

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:31

of the person in front of you. And I think of Gosh, what how

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:36

powerful we would be if we held on to some of these things, or

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:40

were taught these things from such an early age. And then I

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:43

also remembered the initiative you shared with me the other

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:47

day, and I think it was called purpose 2030. And some of the,

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:53

some of the information about that for the audience. But just

Maureen Spielman: 00:42:57

I just love the premise of it, if you would share.

Unknown: 00:43:01

Okay, yeah, I love sharing it today, because it's

Unknown: 00:43:04

also part of the story. So, purpose. 2030 was an initiative

Unknown: 00:43:10

that was created was a conference, it was a gathering

Unknown: 00:43:13

that was created by the folks at imperative. Aaron Hurst, the

Unknown: 00:43:17

person that wrote the purpose economy, was a co founder and

Unknown: 00:43:23

part of the leadership team at imperative. So this the firt,

Unknown: 00:43:27

one of the first journeys that I took, as a stroke survivor, so

Unknown: 00:43:33

by myself, was to Arizona to this conference. And it wasn't

Unknown: 00:43:40

like a conference, it was such a collaboration, such a we space,

Unknown: 00:43:46

a co creative space. And you know, we had all these different

Unknown: 00:43:49

themes, and people were gathering by whatever theme they

Unknown: 00:43:52

were called to. And so my theme had to do with, you know, how do

Unknown: 00:43:58

we expand this purpose consciousness. And what really

Unknown: 00:44:05

attracted me to that is that I had enough clients, I had enough

Unknown: 00:44:08

experience to know to notice a pattern. And the pattern was,

Unknown: 00:44:12

most of the clients would go back to an understanding that

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they had when they were much younger, that they got

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disconnected from for whatever reason, and that when they

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started to explore purpose in their lives, and what that

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really means for them, it was connected to something they

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understood when they were younger. So the idea was, what

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if we really focused on purpose with the next generation? What

Unknown: 00:44:38

if we focused on purpose with you? And you know, what would

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that look like? If we didn't have to go back and remember,

Unknown: 00:44:45

absolutely, actually would, you know, what would that require?

Unknown: 00:44:49

And so, I think one of the requirements has to do with the

Unknown: 00:44:53

village, especially with younger peaks. So I created three books

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for Three different milestones in ages one has to do with like,

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pre K, grade school, and then middle school and high school.

Unknown: 00:45:09

So, you know, the younger that we are, and the less

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conditioning that we have, we kind of have these ideas. And

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then what if the village was really could see us, like lit up

Unknown: 00:45:21

little peeps lit up? And this understanding what will we do to

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support that? So it's like an embodied experience through the

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younger people that kind of helps wake us up, we wake up the

Unknown: 00:45:33

grownups and say, Hey, wait a minute, what if my child that

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came through me, yeah, has a different purpose, a different

Unknown: 00:45:40

way of being a different understanding a different way of

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being in the world? And, you know, my best thinking, and the

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way that I'm designed, could actually be diverting them from

Unknown: 00:45:54

this trip. And so that's kind of like, what went into the origin

Unknown: 00:45:59

of like, some of those experiences and those workbooks

Unknown: 00:46:03

was really to highlight that, and it was just so juicy, juicy.

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:09

I love it. I can I just, I think of it's a

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:12

tie in with my conscious parenting training, but just

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:15

that even this premise of, you know, hold on, hold on, like

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:18

you're saying to the spark to the divine child in front of

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:23

you, they are here to teach us as much as we are them. And what

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:27

did they have to say? And what unique things do they have to

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:30

say? And I really am excited to read the books, how do you

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:34

implement, you know, just out do it doing that work? How do you

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:39

implement it and kind of offer it to society? What does that

Maureen Spielman: 00:46:43

look like? Yeah,

Unknown: 00:46:44

so it looks like so I've worked with library

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systems, actually, because a lot of the library systems and

Unknown: 00:46:51

community they have community based programs for youth? And so

Unknown: 00:46:55

just like who are the who are the supporters who's like

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already there? And how can we get those materials to them? So

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that can augment, like the programs that they already had

Unknown: 00:47:08

that are in service to these youth? And like, that's been

Unknown: 00:47:11

really effective? And also it with that? So that's like the

Unknown: 00:47:16

group experience. But then also, what about the families?

Maureen Spielman: 00:47:21

Absolutely.

Unknown: 00:47:22

What about the families that are is no, let me just say

Unknown: 00:47:25

this. So the children's book, all the books have the same

Unknown: 00:47:30

experience, like a iki guy experience, where we're looking

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at an exploring ourselves from these multiple lenses that kind

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of come together. That's like the premise of it. So the idea

Unknown: 00:47:41

was that whether we're at the boardroom, whether we're at the

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dinner table, or whether we're sitting in circle, like these

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things are transferable knowledge and experience.

Unknown: 00:47:51

Absolutely, the answers are there. And even if someone

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thinks it's something because the condition I love to see

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younger peeps, decondition absolutely love it. And so it's

Unknown: 00:48:05

like, oh, wow, sometimes you think of like, this is what my

Unknown: 00:48:08

parent or so and so would want me to say, I'm gonna say this.

Unknown: 00:48:12

And then they start having an experience with it. Because I

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give them these little, they had these little I had these little

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capes and whatever. And this these clothing, be my type of

Unknown: 00:48:21

super, and you can write whatever your super was, and

Unknown: 00:48:24

your own language. Just that sense of agency kind of leads to

Unknown: 00:48:29

this. Yeah. though. It's this like, so the end of the workbook

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says, Okay, so if any of these things changes, awareness, any

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of these things changes. Guess what, guess what we do next? We

Unknown: 00:48:43

call? Yeah, and we have, we have another experience. And we get

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to try it again. Yeah, parents and caregivers get to put their

Unknown: 00:48:53

capes on to because guess what we can do? We can create

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experiences that exploit that that support this curiosity. We

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can create experience like, Oh, you're into this, you're curious

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about this? Oh, what can we do to have this experience for you?

Unknown: 00:49:08

So that growing up with that, as part of your lived experience, I

Unknown: 00:49:15

think is will elicit significant change for us if I didn't,

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:19

yeah, I do too. And I, I just love sharing

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:23

that resource. And thanks for going into how it shared and I,

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:27

it's so funny years ago, when Susan used to hold the circles

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:31

at her house. She had a book and she is going to be listening to

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:34

this and she'll remember what I'm talking about it, but it was

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:38

more of a softcover sort of book for younger people, children.

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:43

And it was about how the universe was birthed. Whatever

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:48

it was 13 billion years ago, and I took it and I put it on my

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:53

table. I can even see your books, even though they span

Maureen Spielman: 00:49:56

different ages. They're sort of for everybody. They They seem

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:00

like they'd be really good as coffee table books. Because when

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:03

you have something sitting out like that, these books are not

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:06

just, you know, for young kids, it's for all of us to rediscover

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:10

and reimagine.

Unknown: 00:50:12

Right? I know that kid and eat for the kid. And each of

Unknown: 00:50:15

us Yes,

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:16

and I. And I know we're nearing our the end

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:19

of our time I, I know you have the whole realm you work of with

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:24

human design and the gene keys, which is another fascinating

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:29

area. Then if you want to say a bit about that, even before we

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:33

get off, so the listeners can kind of get an idea of that

Maureen Spielman: 00:50:36

piece of your work, I'd love it.

Unknown: 00:50:39

So those two there transmissions, so these were

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huge downloads, that really courageous people took and

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broadly shared, before the science could catch up and say,

Unknown: 00:50:54

Wow, they're onto something. And so a deep, deep, deep bow of

Unknown: 00:50:57

gratitude to them. But they, but human design, to me, is a way of

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understanding our energetic blueprint. And we have different

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ones. And just knowing that they are, what the differences are,

Unknown: 00:51:13

to me is a form of agency. It's also a form of connection to

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ourselves and to other people, because we realize, hey, I'm

Unknown: 00:51:23

connected this way, someone else may be connected a different

Unknown: 00:51:26

way. Because they're the stories that we're telling each other

Unknown: 00:51:29

about energy vampires were telling you about. I don't want

Unknown: 00:51:32

someone to plug into me, and, and all these things. And those

Unknown: 00:51:35

are real live experiences. And I don't want to downplay that,

Unknown: 00:51:39

there's so much of a story of understanding. And even those

Unknown: 00:51:43

experiences or invitations to tap in. And Human Design is a

Unknown: 00:51:47

great way to understand some people are like Energizer

Unknown: 00:51:51

bunnies. And we are energized when we're with them. And some

Unknown: 00:51:55

people have different roles. And we all have a way of connecting

Unknown: 00:51:59

to the spark of humanity in different ways. And that's human

Unknown: 00:52:02

design. Gene keys is more about helping us to understand the

Unknown: 00:52:07

path to purpose journey, it's a journey. It's a spiral journey,

Unknown: 00:52:11

it happens over and over again. And when you understand just the

Unknown: 00:52:15

knowledge and the imprinting that was bestowed to us at the

Unknown: 00:52:20

time that we came into the world. And also about three

Unknown: 00:52:23

months prior to that. It's this dance that will just oh my gosh,

Unknown: 00:52:28

it's so juicy. And some of the tensions that we experienced as

Unknown: 00:52:33

human beings, you will find our natural tensions and they

Unknown: 00:52:37

actually work for us. And the jinkies is a great modality to

Unknown: 00:52:42

understand that dance and to be able to understand what's really

Unknown: 00:52:46

happening, you know, in our lives and our relationships with

Unknown: 00:52:49

each other with each other, and how that connects to our overall

Unknown: 00:52:54

well being and prosperity.

Maureen Spielman: 00:52:56

Beautiful, I can't wait to dive into those

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:00

human design and Gene keys for myself, I'm so excited, I will

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:04

share with the audience what I shared with you. Because I was

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:08

telling Dina that and my older sister Kelly can relate. We've

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:13

been so frustrated finding our birth time. And whenever we

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:18

wanted to do an astrological reading, or I know that the

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:21

birth time is significant for both human design and Gene keys.

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:25

And oh, I just found out I was born in the state of Indiana,

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:30

but I gave a call to the health department and she said the

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:33

reason that you don't have your birth time is because you've

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:35

been ordering the short form. So within my state, there's a long

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:39

form. So if you're anyone out there that's ever had anybody

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:44

that this is significant for any difficulty finding your birth

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:47

time, there is a longer form that's usually ordered through

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:50

the state itself, not the county. So I thought that was

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:53

kind of fascinating. And I've got mine on order. Yeah. I'm

Maureen Spielman: 00:53:58

excited. I know. So Deena, where can people find you? I'll put

Maureen Spielman: 00:54:03

everything any link that you have or want me to include on

Maureen Spielman: 00:54:06

the show notes. But yeah, where can they find you?

Unknown: 00:54:10

Um, www dot Dena Wiccans done that. And you'll

Unknown: 00:54:15

find out about the kids programs, they are called be

Unknown: 00:54:18

your type of super, you'll find out about the app that I've just

Unknown: 00:54:22

launched that has intros into human design, Gene keys, no

Unknown: 00:54:27

development goals, all type of juiciness because it's really

Unknown: 00:54:31

important to me, for all of these beautiful, beautiful

Unknown: 00:54:35

understandings to be accessible to as many people as possible.

Unknown: 00:54:40

And you can find out about ways to get a private session with me

Unknown: 00:54:45

as well. You can start to go on to the website to download and

Unknown: 00:54:51

participate in the custom report. So all of these

Unknown: 00:54:55

understandings kind of woven in with human design and jinkies

Unknown: 00:54:58

and I'm super excited about have that.

Maureen Spielman: 00:55:00

Yeah, thank you. It's all been so juicy

Maureen Spielman: 00:55:05

luscious. I love it all. Thank you for being here and thanks to

Maureen Spielman: 00:55:08

our listeners for being here. So good to have you Dina.

Unknown: 00:55:13

This has been delicious. Thank you. Yeah,

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lunch.

Maureen Spielman: 00:55:15

So fun. All right to our listeners. We'll

Maureen Spielman: 00:55:18

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