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In this last of the series exploring Fierce Serenity through the lens of different bodies, Jen and Jane share their experience with their own unfolding spiritual practices, looking at where the spiritual body practices are connected to the physical, mental, and emotional bodies, and how they are taking an even closer look at the language around the capitalist spirituality industry, sharing where they have to apply their own Fierce Serenity to the work they do.
They also talk about how simple, day-to-day practices such as listening to the birds, being out in nature, and eating with presence and mindfulness are straightforward ways to grow your own spiritual practice. But what if each moment of your day, meal, each thing you touched, was a spiritual experience?
The books and resources we mentioned are listed below.
The next round of Fierce Serenity begins in September (although you can sign up now if you wish). Find out more/sign up here: https://www.wearejenandjane.com/fierce-serenity
Additional Resources/Reading:
● The Dance of the Dissident Daughter - Sue Monk Kidd
● The Artist’s Way - Julia Cameron
Questions for further guidance:
● But what if each moment of your day, meal, each thing you touched, was a spiritual experience?
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About Jen and Jane
Jen Lang
Jen believes in the power and wisdom of women’s voices. She’s a guide for women who want to tune into and align their inner voice so their outer voice can shine; uniting physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual energies into a powerful voice ready to share your message.
Jane Stark
Passionate about energetic alignment and living life from a place of personal power, Jane is a heart-centered leader, certified health and life coach, and marketing strategist. She leads others to play bigger and feel lighter by helping them see and navigate their blocks and connect more deeply with themselves.
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Jen Lang:Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of no
Jen Lang:halos here with Jen Lang and Jane Stark. And we're recording
Jen Lang:this on a Friday so I'm gonna wish you all happy Friday, no
Jen Lang:matter what day you're listening to this.
Jane Stark:Happy Friday morning and it's sunny here. I feel like
Jane Stark:we talk about the weather every time
Jen Lang:lately, but has been exceptional weather
Jane Stark:is like it's the topic out here on the West
Jane Stark:Coast. It is the topic du jour. Yeah, yeah. So anyways, we have
Jane Stark:some sun today. And that makes me
Jen Lang:really happy makes me really happy. Yeah, yesterday,
Jen Lang:it was six degrees. And it felt like
Jane Stark:1am raining sideways one in May, mid May.
Jen Lang:Just shocking. But the F. Anyway, moving past the
Jen Lang:weather today we are approaching our our sort of final topic in
Jen Lang:this series talking about first serenity. And we're talking
Jen Lang:about fear serenity in the spiritual body. So we've moved
Jen Lang:from the physical, mental, emotional, today we're hopping
Jen Lang:into the spiritual space. And kind of unpacked a bit of this
Jen Lang:topic yesterday. Where do you want to start with this? There's
Jen Lang:like, there's so many things floating around out. It's like
Jen Lang:where do we want to like just land first, maybe with a
Jen Lang:spiritual practice.
Jane Stark:Like talking about spiritual practice?
Jen Lang:Well, talking about what a spiritual practice is,
Jen Lang:and can be. I think so many people. So many people think
Jen Lang:that they're quote, unquote, not spiritual, because they don't
Jen Lang:have a spiritual practice.
Jane Stark:Yeah, you know what, let's talk about our journeys
Jane Stark:into what we would call our spiritual practices or
Jane Stark:spirituality. I think that might be an interesting kind of lead
Jane Stark:in because I also as reflecting on this and like what you just
Jane Stark:said about what it isn't isn't, I definitely have found over my
Jane Stark:last, however many years of this journey, it's definitely
Jane Stark:shifted, and I. So I think that would be really interesting to
Jane Stark:unpack a bit. So let's start there. You want me to start with
Jane Stark:what my journey is?
Jen Lang:I think, yeah, start with your journey. I think you
Jen Lang:may have heard some of this on some of the other episodes. But
Jen Lang:if you're just tuning in for the first time, grab a cup of tea,
Jen Lang:sit back, or walk, drive your car, whatever you're doing.
Jane Stark:Yeah, and I'm not gonna go into like he said, we
Jane Stark:have talked about it in a few different episodes. But I think
Jane Stark:the Coles notes are just, for me, it really, it's, it's
Jane Stark:actually been interesting because for me, it actually
Jane Stark:started in a similar way that we've structured your serenity
Jane Stark:in terms of for me, it started with my physical body and my
Jane Stark:physical health. And then I started diving into that. And
Jane Stark:then that led me into sort of some of the Mental Health
Jane Stark:pieces. And, you know, I started doing some therapy and some
Jane Stark:coaching. And then the coaching led me into the emotional body.
Jane Stark:And I started looking more at the somatic elements, and
Jane Stark:working with various coaches and healers. And that then, finally
Jane Stark:moved me into redefining spirituality or connecting and
Jane Stark:finding, I think, what spirituality was for me, and it
Jane Stark:shifted like, I definitely, you know, went through the phase
Jane Stark:where it was all about the mainstream spirituality and, you
Jane Stark:know, okay, the essential oils really spoke to me and crystals
Jane Stark:and, you know, meditation and just that there was this, Jen's
Jane Stark:got some noisy tracks in the background. If you hear her,
Jane Stark:come in and out, she's trying to trying to save your ears from
Jane Stark:the rumbling. So, yeah, really just like Bahding buying into
Jane Stark:this, what I'd say mainstream spirituality movement has sort
Jane Stark:of emerged. And you know, I definitely went through my phase
Jane Stark:of that. And now I'd say, I've shifted and moved into really
Jane Stark:coming more into myself, and what is it actually from me, and
Jane Stark:what do I need? And how does that look? And it's not that any
Jane Stark:of those things inherently are bad or whatever, but it
Jane Stark:definitely was an interesting journey to kind of go Why am I
Jane Stark:doing things this way or why? You know, what's where King in
Jane Stark:what's not like, Am I just going through the motions? So what
Jane Stark:conclusion like Like, like, like, Yeah, I'm at that time. So
Jane Stark:here's the thing I look back at. And at that there's a time and a
Jane Stark:place I had to be there, I had to go through that. And I still,
Jane Stark:I mean, I still have essential oils, and I still I don't use
Jane Stark:them as much as I used to. But I think that's also just there's
Jane Stark:seasons for things. And I think that that will also, you know,
Jane Stark:I've seen myself kind of come in and out, use some more, use them
Jane Stark:less. Yeah, connecting in with, you know, meditation, shifting
Jane Stark:things. So movement has become a bigger thing for me, like
Jane Stark:embodied movement is now something that I would say as
Jane Stark:part of my own spiritual practice, where it's really just
Jane Stark:about getting in my body.
Jen Lang:That is for a lot of people, though, too. Because
Jen Lang:even if you exercise, you can still be disconnected from your
Jen Lang:body, because you can still be quote, unquote, just going
Jen Lang:through the motions. And so this disengagement of when you're not
Jen Lang:using, or not engaging all of your senses, physical, mental,
Jen Lang:emotional, and spiritual, in the act of time, that's what being
Jen Lang:present is being fully engaged physically, mentally,
Jen Lang:emotionally and spiritually. So if we sort of bring that
Jen Lang:spirituality piece, I'll just sort of unpack it separately
Jen Lang:from the rest of those areas. If you're just going through the
Jen Lang:motions, then you're not getting the benefit of the actual thing
Jen Lang:you're practicing.
Jane Stark:Absolutely. And I think even one of the ways that
Jane Stark:I tied that in is, as I moved through, for me, as I moved
Jane Stark:through each of those four areas, it wasn't like, Okay, now
Jane Stark:I'm just into the mental body, or now I'm just into the
Jane Stark:spiritual body, all of those other pieces, elements of them
Jane Stark:were coming along with me. So, you know, when I was really
Jane Stark:focused on my physical health, I did a pretty drastic lifestyle
Jane Stark:overhaul and diet like not not diet, but like, just, I cleaned
Jane Stark:up my diet, I really, you know, started to pay attention to what
Jane Stark:foods my body was just not happy with and, and so that kind of
Jane Stark:carried through, and I think that's an element of
Jane Stark:spirituality too, right? Like, that's, again, it, it's like you
Jane Stark:say, for where I am now is, it's like, all of those things are
Jane Stark:great. And if they feel, you know, if the meditation if the
Jane Stark:music, if the journaling feels good, then that's what I need in
Jane Stark:that moment. But I don't need to stick to some sort of, like,
Jane Stark:some sort of image of what a spiritual person does or looks
Jane Stark:like or, and so, but you know, like, paying attention to what
Jane Stark:goes in my body. And that doesn't mean like, I'm not some,
Jane Stark:like, I eat, I eat all sorts of different things, right? There's
Jane Stark:chocolate, there's chips, there's stuff, but it's, but
Jane Stark:it's in moderation. And it's really connecting into care.
Jane Stark:What does my body want? What does my body need? And noticing,
Jane Stark:like, you know, when I eat high, high vegetable content, and low
Jane Stark:sugar, I feel better. And that, to me is a part of just being
Jane Stark:present, being aware of being like, that's the spirituality,
Jane Stark:that's the part where it actually like allows me to just
Jane Stark:be centered and grounded and open up.
Jen Lang:Awesome, sorry, my secondary monitor just went
Jen Lang:black. Just that I was like, Oh, that's weird. I don't know
Jen Lang:what's going on. But anyway, we'll figure it out later. Not a
Jen Lang:big deal. Um, I love what you were saying about how, like a
Jen Lang:spiritual practice can be just a part of your day to day
Jen Lang:activities. And so I think that you choose to eat is a now it's
Jen Lang:back. Oh, interesting. Okay, help us. A few flashing things.
Jen Lang:I'll look into that after we finished recording, you know,
Jen Lang:real life recording in real time squirrel. So the, yeah, I've met
Jen Lang:because I do have some people in my circle who are very, I'm
Jen Lang:going to say, extremely disciplined about the food, the
Jen Lang:water, the nutrients, the supplements that they put into
Jen Lang:their bodies. And that is a fundamental element of their
Jen Lang:spiritual practice and their their whole spiritual practice.
Jen Lang:And I'm personally like, again, it's kind of like you, do you
Jen Lang:there are times when absolutely I will do so little bit of light
Jen Lang:fasting or I will be my more mindful of what isn't isn't
Jen Lang:going into my body. And I sort of tie that into a whole
Jen Lang:experience. It might be like, Oh, I'd like to just sometimes I
Jen Lang:just don't feel like eating sometimes I'll just have a day
Jen Lang:where, you know, I've indulged. I've not indulged, but I you
Jen Lang:know, I've had heavy food the day before. Were and I was like,
Jen Lang:Well, I'm not really hungry, I'm not going to eat, it's kind of
Jen Lang:following those signals. So that when I do eat the spiritual
Jen Lang:practice piece, the being present with my food, and being
Jen Lang:present with the the experience of eating, that's bringing a
Jen Lang:spiritual practice into the act of eating.
Jane Stark:Yeah, I think like you say, it's, it's, for me,
Jane Stark:it's really become simplification and bringing it
Jane Stark:into the everyday bringing it into how I'm being. And
Jane Stark:bringing, I think being able to connect with I don't know, like,
Jane Stark:connect with my, with, I don't want to say with my higher self,
Jane Stark:but just with, with something bigger, something bigger than me
Jane Stark:and feeling that feeling that I am a part of something bigger.
Jane Stark:And whether that's literally a walk in nature, I think nature
Jane Stark:is another huge element of spiritual practice or
Jane Stark:spirituality, that, again, like some of these things, the
Jane Stark:interesting thing for me is, as I've started to really unpack
Jane Stark:this more and more, like, there are many people in my life that
Jane Stark:I think would not consider themselves spiritual, they would
Jane Stark:not use that term, but that I look, and I'm like, they
Jane Stark:absolutely have practices, or are, you know, you know, when we
Jane Stark:look at our everyday life that especially like I said, getting
Jane Stark:out into nature, like for me growing up, I never heard nature
Jane Stark:and spirituality is a synonymous thing. And now I look and I'm
Jane Stark:like, it's everywhere, it's everywhere. And, you know, when
Jane Stark:we look at what's in our need, for being in nature, our need to
Jane Stark:go out and like, be outside and be with the trees or go by the
Jane Stark:water or feed on the earth. That's all just that connection
Jane Stark:to something bigger than ourselves bigger than
Jen Lang:ourselves. Noisy truck alert, keep talking.
Jane Stark:So that was one of the things that I started to
Jane Stark:really, really look at. And then this whole idea of being in the
Jane Stark:now and the present moment. And really, I am definitely somebody
Jane Stark:who, you know, probably has a more, more propensity to go to
Jane Stark:an anxious type of person, which means I'm often living in the
Jane Stark:like future. And so that practice of really being able to
Jane Stark:bring myself back into the now. And really just being in the
Jane Stark:present moment. And letting go has been a really powerful piece
Jane Stark:as well, where I would consider that like, where I've come to
Jane Stark:now in my own journey around that is just, what can I
Jane Stark:surrender? What can I let go of reminding myself that I'm safe.
Jane Stark:So really stepping out of that, to come into the now just what's
Jane Stark:here and now is all there is.
Jen Lang:So your journey started with that physical
Jen Lang:piece, then explored the mental mindset, anxiety and the
Jen Lang:emotional piece sort of hand in hand with that. And then your
Jen Lang:spiritual pieces just sort of grown naturally from approaching
Jen Lang:each of those areas are more
Jane Stark:structured, like practice routine got up to more
Jane Stark:organic to more just it's part of how I live my everyday life.
Jane Stark:So I don't necessarily have a meditation practice that I sit
Jane Stark:down and do every day. You and I have a fairly consistent routine
Jane Stark:where we do meditate together, but even that we don't, it's not
Jane Stark:every day. It's most days. Yeah, Monday to Friday. But you know,
Jane Stark:whereas at one point in my life, I did literally every morning I
Jane Stark:sat down and I had, you know, a certain practice and I know you
Jane Stark:you do, right? Yeah, absolutely. You do. For me, I've been a like
Jane Stark:I've it's it started to feel restrictive. So I started to
Jane Stark:just let it go and look at how can I bring these elements into
Jane Stark:my into my life
Unknown:changes. So I
Jen Lang:you know, what, as you I would say that my spiritual
Jen Lang:path began with actually training in my healing
Jen Lang:modalities, doing my first Reiki training and doing my first Body
Jen Lang:Talk access training. I did both of those within a two month
Jen Lang:period. So I was really no sort of opening those doors. And then
Jen Lang:someone years ago, a family friend had given me these little
Jen Lang:angel cards, single word angel things like, you know, light or
Jen Lang:inspiration or courage, you know, all these little just
Jen Lang:single word and I'd had them for a while but I hadn't always
Jen Lang:looked at them. And so I just I would start my day with pulling
Jen Lang:three of those cards. And that then I started then I made a
Jen Lang:little altar with on a little IKEA shelf A basket that I
Jen Lang:turned upside down and put a little cloth on. And I would
Jen Lang:have my little angel cards there. And I would go through my
Jen Lang:body talk process, or I would try and sit and meditate. And
Jen Lang:then it sort of grew and expanded. And eventually, it
Jen Lang:really started took off when I moved overseas when I moved to
Jen Lang:Abu Dhabi. And I was looking for some new routines to ground
Jen Lang:myself into that location and that I didn't have a regular job
Jen Lang:to go to I was looking for work and doing business training. And
Jen Lang:I basically, yeah, it just grew and expanded naturally. From
Jen Lang:there. I think I did morning pages, I read the artists way
Jen Lang:and did morning pages, which I still miss actually, I kind of
Jen Lang:when I do do them. I'm like, Oh, I do
Jane Stark:it. Yes, I know it's on. But that's actually when I
Jane Stark:haven't done and I have both the book and the journal for the
Jane Stark:morning pages to go along with the artists way sitting in my
Jane Stark:office. And I keep I had
Jen Lang:the book for years before I actually opened it. So
Jen Lang:it's it's funny, like you buy the book and it sits there. But
Jen Lang:it really it really is a life changing book. It will you know,
Jen Lang:and for anybody who's who's looking for sort of a new
Jen Lang:direction or new inspiration or something completely different
Jen Lang:it is a very beautiful process. Anyway, so as that morning pages
Jen Lang:experience grew and then I just started through the business
Jen Lang:development journey business personal development journey, I
Jen Lang:started to bring in more, you know, card practices or writing,
Jen Lang:I always kept the angel card practice, but I would add to it.
Jen Lang:Interestingly, I bought my first tarot deck when I was 16
Jane Stark:is the town funny when we look back,
Jen Lang:but I never really played with that much. And I
Jen Lang:remember doing a reading for one of my sisters friends whom she
Jen Lang:probably would have been like 12 or 13 at the time and she's
Jen Lang:like, wow, this is so right. This is so right on and but I
Jen Lang:never really pursued it. So I've always had those like tendencies
Jen Lang:and leanings I've always been drawn to, I'm gonna say
Jen Lang:witchcraft, Wiccan practices, and part of that is sort of my
Jen Lang:Celtic I would say my Celtic, Celtic, Western European
Jen Lang:heritage. But now I really now interestingly, just recently,
Jen Lang:I've been diving into much more of a Celtic druidic witchcraft
Jen Lang:practice. I've always been interested in herbs. So I
Jen Lang:studied herbology, briefly herbalism with a friend of mine
Jen Lang:for a summer, so a little bit of essential oils. So it's kind of
Jen Lang:like my, my interest into health and healing has gone hand in
Jen Lang:hand with my spiritual practice development. And now it's just
Jen Lang:naturally grown and developed side by side. And so that, oh,
Jen Lang:my ears are super ringing. Right now. That's one of my things
Jen Lang:that that's one of my signals to myself that it's I'm talking
Jen Lang:about the right things, and I'm on the right path. And that that
Jen Lang:is where my expansion and growth lies. Yeah.
Jane Stark:Do you think so? It's interesting because both of
Jane Stark:us came to this journey. Like you said, your interest in
Jane Stark:health your and nature and herbs, and that kind of thing,
Jane Stark:is what brought you to it for me, it was my health journey,
Jane Stark:and my, just my, this deeper drive to heal myself physically,
Jane Stark:which then moved into like a sale, the other layers, but
Jane Stark:there was just this, for me there was this constant, there's
Jane Stark:gotta be there's something more here. There's something more
Jane Stark:here. I couldn't accept just that I was going to live in
Jane Stark:suffering.
Jen Lang:Yes, totally.
Jane Stark:So but I'm curious, like, you and I have had that
Jane Stark:experience. And that's what's drawn us to this. But not
Jane Stark:everyone has that experience, or not? Everyone needs to be
Jane Stark:interested in herbology and essential oils and crystals. So
Jane Stark:for people that like, you know, maybe you're like, yeah, that
Jane Stark:doesn't light me up. I wonder, your exam. Like, I wonder what,
Jane Stark:it's not that those people aren't spiritual or aren't
Jane Stark:gifted or whatnot. It's, so what is it? And how do we? I think,
Jane Stark:like, I guess, where I'm going, and even the thoughts that are
Jane Stark:coming in is, you know, we talk and I think this is some of the
Jane Stark:piece I'm really just riffing right now, this is just kind of
Jane Stark:dropping in and I'm trying to process it as it comes out. But
Jane Stark:you know, this idea that spirituality like I say, looks a
Jane Stark:certain way, or what mainstream spirituality is and and there's
Jane Stark:these people, there's these people, this group of us that
Jane Stark:are really drawn to these things. Yeah. And yet I look in
Jane Stark:it's like, like I say, like nature, finding the beauty in
Jane Stark:the ordinary moments. Like all of these things that we all can
Jane Stark:do. And I just wonder, we're so I mean, we know this that as a
Jane Stark:culture we're so separated right now from from each other, but
Jane Stark:also from mother nature from totally we're on our screens.
Jane Stark:We're not outside experiencing where we're rushing through our
Jane Stark:days, not slowing down to actually admire the bird in the
Jane Stark:tree or listen to the sounds of the birds or things like that.
Jane Stark:And I think, at its root, that's all we're talking about here,
Jane Stark:like we're talking about. I think that's an awareness. And
Jen Lang:I think that's, that's where that awareness. That's
Jen Lang:where the fear serenity, peace comes in, though, for people who
Jen Lang:are wanting something more who know that there's something
Jen Lang:more, but they don't necessarily know what, you know, they think
Jen Lang:they need to buy a crystal to feel better, and maybe a crystal
Jen Lang:does make them feel better. But what if it was just as simple as
Jen Lang:observing the birdsong on your morning walk? Yeah, that's gonna
Jen Lang:make it
Jane Stark:and this is the thing, this is the part that
Jane Stark:gets me fired up to is this capitalism? Yes, duality, right?
Jane Stark:Yes. And I think, and we're seeing this bubble up right now
Jane Stark:to you. You brought up a post to my attention yesterday, on
Jane Stark:Facebook, from somebody who's starting to kind of call out
Jane Stark:some of these the oversimplification, I think we
Jane Stark:would say,
Jen Lang:of these tropes, or simplifying these spiritual
Jen Lang:tropes in the broader, wider world.
Jane Stark:And it doesn't, it doesn't make sense when you do
Jane Stark:that it doesn't hurting
Jen Lang:people, then Safley re, like an essay, dramatizing
Jen Lang:them or hurting them or, you know, and it's becomes very
Jen Lang:surface level, instead of actually, then people want to
Jen Lang:bypass the actual work because they're like, Oh, I'm doing the
Jen Lang:things like I'm doing all the practices, this is something we
Jen Lang:talked about before, as well, is like you do all the practices
Jen Lang:and you still feel like crap,
Jane Stark:or because the oil and the crystal and the whatever
Jane Stark:are not the thing that are going to actually help, like, they're
Jane Stark:not going to magically make your suffering disappear or heal you
Jane Stark:or whatnot. And that's the piece I think they might be the tool
Jane Stark:in. So for me, definitely, it was a bit of a tool in Yeah, it
Jane Stark:did not I, I have, I'm surrounded by essential oils,
Jane Stark:they're not going to heal me. Like, let's be honest, but they
Jane Stark:are my they are some of my tools into doing that deeper work. And
Jane Stark:I was very open to doing it. I think, as you were talking about
Jane Stark:some of your like for you, it really opened up when you
Jane Stark:started to do your Reiki training. One of the things that
Jane Stark:kind of popped in I was I was thinking how thinking like When
Jane Stark:did mine like can I think of a time in my life when all of a
Jane Stark:sudden the switch flipped? And one of I can't pinpoint the
Jane Stark:exact time but years ago when I started working with my
Jane Stark:Hypnotherapist. Yeah, that was a big one. And so I was open to
Jane Stark:doing that work. But it was all of the pre stuff. But I guess
Jane Stark:where I'm going is Yeah. When we look at this whole, capitalistic
Jane Stark:world we have and how, again, spirituality has become this
Jane Stark:thing that we can sell people, whether modified? Yeah, whether
Jane Stark:it's through coaching, whether it's healing, whether it's
Jane Stark:through crystals and journals and all the things like
Jen Lang:so where do you think the fierce serenity is for the
Jen Lang:practitioners, the coaches, and the sellers fees are of these?
Jane Stark:So why do I think the spiritual sorry, the fear
Jane Stark:surrender, the
Jen Lang:fear of serenity is for them?
Jane Stark:Well, let's put that back on us. Right, like salute.
Jane Stark:We are in this space. We coach and we heal. We actually don't
Jane Stark:heal people. We support people in doing their own
Jane Stark:transformation and healing. But I think this is the work that
Jane Stark:we're doing. We're like, not being it's the fragility, right,
Jane Stark:like, Yeah, we actually are willing to turn the mirror and
Jane Stark:look at ourselves and go, Oh, II Yeah. Where are we contributing
Jane Stark:to this narrative? How are we perpetuating this? And is that
Jane Stark:how we want to operate? And I think that's something that you
Jane Stark:and I do we still not a lot, it's absolutely still unfolding.
Jane Stark:And have we bought into some of these things. And have we
Jane Stark:perpetuated? Yeah, I absolutely have. And this is part of my
Jane Stark:integrity on this journey is to continue to look at this and to
Jane Stark:continue to be able to question that and go, okay, like, Where
Jane Stark:can I do better? How can I do better? And I think that is so
Jane Stark:yeah, for for me, and I think for other practitioners, like
Jane Stark:you were saying that is the fear of serenity, it's being willing
Jane Stark:and able to look at where have we maybe been?
Jen Lang:Where wherever you really bought into and where do
Jen Lang:we still contribute to and perpetuate old paradigms or
Jen Lang:around this work? Yeah. And then also, like you said, being
Jen Lang:willing to turn the mirror on ourselves, on our practices on
Jen Lang:our on what we offer, and go How can this be better? Or how can
Jen Lang:this be more approachable or what needs to go? Ultimately,
Jen Lang:we're still off operate within a capitalist system? But how can
Jen Lang:we? How can we sort of have our own subversion of that, and yet
Jen Lang:still, you know, feed our families and contribute to our
Jen Lang:households? Yeah. And
Jane Stark:I mean, I end the work we do change his lives.
Jane Stark:Yes, exactly. So we're, you know, being in service, I think.
Jane Stark:And that's, I guess that's the other piece, right is if we are
Jane Stark:being in service in integrity to ourselves. That's why we're here
Jane Stark:doing this. Yes. We all need to pay the bills, we all need to
Jane Stark:feed our families, we are worthy of getting paid for using for,
Jane Stark:you know, being able to offer what we do. But the minute it
Jane Stark:becomes about the money, yes. We've lost the planet,
Jen Lang:only about the money. Yes. Because I'm not sure what
Jen Lang:your experience is. But whenever I work with a client, I grow as
Jen Lang:well. Absolutely. And it's yes, it's, you know, but it's easy to
Jen Lang:say that, but I reflect on every single conversation I have with
Jen Lang:my clients afterwards, and the ones we see together. And it's
Jen Lang:so it's such a beautiful girls process and expanded expansive
Jen Lang:process for all of us. And that's where there's such a
Jen Lang:beautiful exchange, I think, as well, it's not just about the
Jen Lang:money, it's about bringing, guiding, and being a part of a
Jen Lang:person's journey to their fullest potential, including our
Jen Lang:own. Yeah, because if we didn't do that, then we would still be,
Jen Lang:we still would be playing in that same thing, like I perfect
Jen Lang:real life example. So I went back to karate last night to
Jen Lang:teach and help with a grading. And I haven't put my GI on,
Jen Lang:excuse me, I haven't been to karate since October. So it was
Jen Lang:definitely, like, familiar. And yet, I knew my body would feel a
Jen Lang:little sore today, and I got home and I had a foot bath last
Jen Lang:night. But I was reflecting on the dog walk this morning, I was
Jen Lang:like, Oh, my body feels more alive. And being in that
Jen Lang:activity in that action. You know, it was a kids class. So it
Jen Lang:wasn't tremendously strenuous for me, but I was still
Jen Lang:demonstrating things and still helping with technique and the,
Jen Lang:you know, still coaching on the yelling, and you know, those
Jen Lang:kinds of pieces. And at the same time, it was such a beautiful
Jen Lang:realization for me that, okay, this is what karate gives me.
Jen Lang:And this is where the growth is for me, in terms of taking that
Jen Lang:physical action. So as I take physical action, in the force or
Jen Lang:action in the physical world, then that brings everything else
Jen Lang:along with it.
Jane Stark:Yeah, and I mean, it's that constantly shifting
Jane Stark:energy to right, it allows you it allows the flow of, of
Jane Stark:energy, and it's that constant learning that constant growth,
Jane Stark:like you say,
Jen Lang:Yes, and what I'm saying here, too, is that the
Jen Lang:physical practice, physical spiritual practice, or the
Jen Lang:spiritual physical practice, meaning, like whether it's you
Jen Lang:use cards, or you do some journaling, the physical act of
Jen Lang:working with spirit is what's going to bring you on the
Jen Lang:journey to bigger expansion. Even if it feels a little bit at
Jen Lang:first, like you're going through the motions, one day you will
Jen Lang:find a level or something will happen or something will shift
Jen Lang:or something will drop in. And it's, if it continues to feel
Jen Lang:like you're just going through the actions, and there's
Jen Lang:something underneath that, that wants to come forward that you
Jen Lang:need to uncover and unpack. But that's where the bravery is. And
Jen Lang:that's where the fierce serenity is to you being have to be
Jen Lang:fierce enough first courage to dive into that thing. And then
Jen Lang:that's the nugget of serenity that you'll find. Well, because,
Jane Stark:yeah, I think it's definitely a practice of it's
Jane Stark:vulnerable. Right? It's, it's really, truly being able to, to
Jane Stark:look at ourselves in a different way and to be willing to, like
Jane Stark:you say, die, like if it's feeling disconnected, what
Jane Stark:what's there, it's being willing to excavate
Jen Lang:and ask questions. You know, if you've had some, you
Jen Lang:know, dreams, the dream space is such an interesting, you know,
Jen Lang:and I personally have found my dreams have been gaining
Jen Lang:intensity and detail over the past several years since I
Jen Lang:started this spiritual practice. And for people who say to me,
Jen Lang:Oh, I don't I never remember my dreams. And I'm like, we'll set
Jen Lang:the intention to remember your dream and keep a journal beside
Jen Lang:your bed and you'll start to remember your dreams. But the
Jen Lang:physical act of putting the journal beside your bed in the
Jen Lang:pan, that is the thing that will help you remember your dreams.
Jen Lang:Yeah, that's a good example. Yeah. So many. Then you'll start
Jen Lang:to the dream spaces where? What happens in your unconscious as
Jen Lang:well as in I'm gonna say beyond your fit your day to day life
Jen Lang:has a chance to process unfold. On there there is value in
Jen Lang:making a note of that dream space.
Jane Stark:Yeah, there's so many access points in, right.
Jane Stark:Yeah. And again, if we come back to the simplification, one of
Jane Stark:the other things that kind of spurred on this topic is I was
Jane Stark:just, I just finished reading. It's an old book, but Sue Monk
Jane Stark:Kidd wrote a book called The Dance of the Dissident Daughter,
Jane Stark:which is her journey from Christianity to spirituality
Jane Stark:slash sort of the sacred feminine, it's very much rooted
Jane Stark:in her journey with the sacred feminine, but at the end of it,
Jane Stark:I love what she says she breaks it down into sort of three
Jane Stark:components. And she says, she calls it the spirituality of
Jane Stark:naturalness. And she says, within that, a natural and
Jane Stark:Feminine Spirituality tends to incorporate three very organic,
Jane Stark:basic, but overlooked things into our sacred experience, the
Jane Stark:earthly, the now and the ordinary. And she just breaks
Jane Stark:those down right to the earthly, is like what we were talking
Jane Stark:about, like our connection to nature, and actually feeling,
Jane Stark:feeling into that though, like, you know, going and sitting by
Jane Stark:the ocean, and listening to it, or feeling your feet in the sand
Jane Stark:or putting your hand on the trunk of a tree, and starting to
Jane Stark:like, really pay attention to what to the energy exchange and
Jane Stark:flow there. And then the now, being in the moment, right, that
Jane Stark:we hear so much like, oh, just be in the presence in the
Jane Stark:present. But what does that actually mean? That was a big
Jane Stark:one for me to unpack as well. And one of the quotes that she
Jane Stark:that she quotes in her book is that you cannot step twice into
Jane Stark:the same river for other waters are continually flowing on this
Jane Stark:river is your life and it is different every moment. And I
Jane Stark:love that. It's such a great quote, it's such a great quote
Jane Stark:of being in the now and you just, every moment is different
Jane Stark:and changing. And then the ordinary, like, all of these
Jane Stark:things are things we've touched on, right, but the ordinary in
Jane Stark:terms of just paying attention to how you go through a day, and
Jane Stark:how
Jen Lang:do you prepare your meal? Or how do you eat your
Jen Lang:meal, that too, you know, where it's, I'm totally, I'm gonna say
Jen Lang:guilty about because I don't really feel guilty about it. But
Jen Lang:I have observed that when I prepare a meal, sometimes I'm in
Jen Lang:a rush, and I'll chop the vegetables, I will put any
Jen Lang:thought into it. And because I'm doing something else, or I'm got
Jen Lang:three dishes on the go, and so I'm not really present with the
Jen Lang:food, but I'm about to nourish my body with. But if I stopped
Jen Lang:for a moment and really enjoy the process, and I actually love
Jen Lang:preparing a meal, like I have a glass of wine, while I prepare
Jen Lang:like a weekend meal. And, you know, I take care and preparing
Jen Lang:the vegetables or putting a salad together, or making a soup
Jen Lang:or a stew like I love making winter soups and stews, so all
Jen Lang:of the elements that go into those into those foods. That's
Jen Lang:the that's the now that's the that's the mundane, yeah, that's
Jen Lang:where the origin is, is in the ordinary?
Jane Stark:Exactly. Yeah, noticing where the light shines
Jane Stark:in your window and the same space every day, or? Yeah, just
Jane Stark:even I remember. I think it was another coach who I've worked
Jane Stark:with in the past. Catherine Roscoe bar, she talks about
Jane Stark:finding the pleasure in the ordinary, and I'll never forget
Jane Stark:where she's like, you know, I'll do the dishes. And I'll put
Jane Stark:music on like, yeah, and I'll just actually notice, like, my
Jane Stark:hands in the water, cleaning the dishes, like, you know, we're
Jane Stark:things that we kind of go, Oh, God, I gotta do the dishes or
Jane Stark:like, the, you know, we've we've become so like, A, that's just a
Jane Stark:task and it feels gross and good to debt to debt. But if we
Jane Stark:actually slow down, and we're just like, hey, I'm here in the
Jane Stark:moment, my hands are in warm, soapy water, you know, put some
Jane Stark:music on. Maybe it's a space to just be like, Hey, I'm actually
Jane Stark:just like, a lot of times, sometimes most of my best
Jane Stark:thinking comes when I'm just at the sink, doing the dishes. And
Jane Stark:that's that that's the ordinary, it's the everyday things. But
Jane Stark:when we start to be able to do those things with awareness and
Jane Stark:feeling into our body and just slowing down and doing them,
Jane Stark:they shift.
Jen Lang:Yeah, rather than getting through them. Exactly.
Jen Lang:Which, you know, that's totally different in a lot of my life,
Jen Lang:that I used to live a lot of my life getting, I just have to get
Jen Lang:through this, I just had to move through this. I have to I just
Jen Lang:have to get here. And you can even probably hear the energy of
Jen Lang:that phrase in my voice and the way I'm speaking. So if if you
Jen Lang:are catching yourself, in that I just have to get through this
Jen Lang:mindset or way of being then I think I encourage you to look at
Jen Lang:a way of being more present in the now and start with the
Jen Lang:sensations of how something feels. So if it's if you're
Jen Lang:Walking the dog or outside walking, how does the air smell?
Jen Lang:Or maybe you don't, maybe you got allergies and so you can't
Jen Lang:enjoy the air. But maybe you can, you know, touch a tree as
Jen Lang:you walk past or notice the roughness of the bark and start
Jen Lang:to notice the natural world around you. And I think that is
Jen Lang:a really lovely way to start to step into a spiritual practice.
Jen Lang:That isn't a prescribed,
Unknown:yeah. Whoo, whoo.
Jen Lang:Meditate with your crystals type of spiritual
Jen Lang:practice. Yeah, that might feel uncomfortable for you. So then
Jen Lang:start with what's start finding the spiritual in the familiar
Jen Lang:and the now.
Jane Stark:Yeah, and expand it.
Jen Lang:The shower,
Unknown:washing your hands water, right. Yeah, water is so
Unknown:good. Like, definitely. So good.
Jane Stark:I know, for me, my my challenge is, I still noticed
Jane Stark:that I love to do a lot of those things with something in my
Jane Stark:ears. Often now podcasts because that's that want for perpetual
Jane Stark:learning and growth and whatnot. And it's actually a challenge
Jane Stark:for me to have a bath without being like, Oh, listen to a
Jane Stark:podcast, we'll catch up on this. We're going for a walk. And so
Jane Stark:that's one of my things where I'm sort of thinking, Okay, what
Jane Stark:if I started walking the dog with nothing in my ears? So I
Jane Stark:could just actually be more present and notice what's
Jane Stark:happening, or what if I just sat in the bathroom was with myself.
Jane Stark:A lot of it is really just about being able to be with ourselves.
Jane Stark:And for many of us, myself included, that was really,
Jane Stark:really hard. I believe now I've I've moved through that. And I
Jane Stark:actually love being with myself. But even still, like I just
Jane Stark:shared how I also love to put these things in my ears. And
Jane Stark:that's still a distraction from being with myself.
Jen Lang:Yeah, so like to eat and read a book or eaten. Yeah,
Jen Lang:watch a snippet of a show. But the other day, I was like, Okay,
Jen Lang:well, what if I were to eat and not watch, watch or listen or
Jen Lang:read anything? And
Jane Stark:it's actually pretty hard in our candidate. Yeah.
Jane Stark:Yeah. So again, sometimes I do it driving, I actually find I'll
Jane Stark:consciously sometimes I find that actually a place where I've
Jane Stark:started to turn off. Because again, I love listening to a
Jane Stark:podcast or something. But I've started to make the conscious
Jane Stark:effort of what if I just put nothing on and I just
Jen Lang:dropped off? Yeah, that's a nice feeling. I do that
Jen Lang:sometimes. I think we've covered most of it. This is kind of like
Jen Lang:fear serenity in the spiritual body. It's like as multiple
Jen Lang:spiritual practice kind of guidance, ideas drop into
Jen Lang:whatever feels easy for you to start with. If you don't
Jen Lang:currently have a spiritual practice Janie's Got one more
Jen Lang:than
Jane Stark:just one more thing that's just dropped in here is
Jane Stark:play. Oh, yeah. It's like, it's, it's fun once you kind of, and
Jane Stark:once you start to tap in, and you start to notice little
Jane Stark:things, like, play in it, and don't, it doesn't have to be so
Jane Stark:serious, totally something that I was taught through some of my
Jane Stark:trainings as well, one of my teachers is very much about
Jane Stark:that. She's like, just start playing with your intuition.
Jane Stark:Just, you know, and it's okay to be wrong, like, but start to
Jane Stark:like, play little games or notice things and, and it does,
Jane Stark:it becomes like, Oh, that's fun. Like, you know, putting out
Jane Stark:little asks, or just noticing when I'm like, huh, I gotta, I
Jane Stark:gotta ledge on that. And then that happened. But again, so
Jane Stark:often when we aren't aware, or we're not slowing down, we miss
Jane Stark:all of those little right? It's just, it's right there in
Jen Lang:front of us think it's hilarious that as you were
Jen Lang:telling me that to play. I got hiccups. So yeah, I might have a
Jen Lang:couple of hiccups before we wrap up here. But
Jane Stark:yeah, that's funny. Well, I think we can wrap it
Jane Stark:there that we can. That's kind of where they the wrap of our
Jane Stark:fear serenity series of just kind of touching on these four
Jane Stark:areas, we go into much more depth in our fear serenity
Jane Stark:program, which is launching in September for our second cohort.
Jane Stark:And that's actually where we facilitate the play, right,
Jane Stark:where we take these concepts. And yeah, and give ourselves
Jane Stark:space to play and to explore and to experience. So if that's
Jane Stark:something that sounds interesting to you, links are in
Jane Stark:the show notes, waitlist, and actually, you can sign up now.
Jane Stark:Drew when started in September, and between now and then we're
Jane Stark:going to be hosting some workshops and some other
Jane Stark:immersive experiences like some beautiful sound journeys with
Jane Stark:Jen that you can experience to just kind of come and start to
Jane Stark:dabble. Yeah, all of that info will be in the show notes. You
Jane Stark:can also follow us on social at we are Jen and Jane, and
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Jen Lang:Yeah, if you sign up for our love letters love no
Jen Lang:love notes list. Yeah, love letters.
Jane Stark:I don't know why I got love notes. Okay, sorry your
Jane Stark:hiccups are distracting me.
Jen Lang:I guess they are distracting. So this is a good
Jen Lang:time to wrap up there. We'll leave the links in the show
Jen Lang:notes. Thanks for joining us today for this exploration of
Jen Lang:spirituality, the spiritual body and for your serenity. Have fun
Jen Lang:and play on your journey of exploring what spirituality or
Jen Lang:how spirituality shows up in your life. See you next week.
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