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Do you ever get stuck in a loop around how you feel and how you look? Listen in as Jen + Jane unpack what Self-Acceptance is for them right now, the journeys they have each experienced with (and without) self-acceptance, and how they are asking themselves the challenging questions that lead to more complete self-acceptance and increased self-confidence. Enjoy this conversation where they sink into the F^@k-it Forties and all the gifts and challenges it provides.
Questions for further guidance:
● What would it take for you to accept yourself, fully, as all you are, right here, and right now?
● How can you get curious about what has caused you to question yourself - whether it’s how your body is changing or how others are responding to you.
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Passionate about energetic alignment and living life from a place of personal power, Jane is a heart-centered leader, certified health and life coach, and marketing strategist. She leads others to play bigger and feel lighter by helping them see and navigate their blocks and connect more deeply with themselves.
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Jen Lang:Hi, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of no
Jen Lang:halos here with Jen Lang and Jane Stark. Happy It's Wednesday
Jen Lang:when we're recording this, but it'll be Tuesday when you're
Jen Lang:hearing it. So happy whatever day of the week. You weren't
Jen Lang:hearing us.
Jane Stark:Happy Monday through Sunday? Yeah. Yeah. Awesome. All
Jane Stark:right.
Jen Lang:We're jumping in today with self acceptance. And I
Jen Lang:think this came out of a i This is actually our community call
Jen Lang:topic for tomorrow's about the time this airs that community
Jen Lang:call will have happened already. However, I think we'll probably
Jen Lang:end up having another version of it. I feel like this is a big
Jen Lang:topic to unpack topic. And I do want to go into like, how, why
Jen Lang:don't you share how we came to this topic?
Jane Stark:I'm actually trying to recall how we came to this
Jane Stark:topic. I don't remember. I know it was some conversations a
Jane Stark:couple of weeks ago that we were having, as most of our topics
Jane Stark:come out of. And I know for me, there was some stuff around
Jane Stark:weight and weight gain. And to get into that a little bit. But
Jane Stark:is that how we came up with it? Like you and I to sit and talk
Jane Stark:about that necessarily?
Jen Lang:I think it was. I think it sort of there's a
Jen Lang:couple of things that unfolded for me, I think we're lately
Jen Lang:I've been so one of the words I picked for this year was
Jen Lang:pleasure. And both pleasure in like the foods I eat pleasure
Jen Lang:and the experiences I have, where can I recognize pleasure
Jen Lang:in my life a bit more. And also make conscious decisions to
Jen Lang:invite pleasure pleasurable experiences in my life. And I
Jen Lang:found myself in this headspace of not being entirely satisfied
Jen Lang:with where my body was looking and feeling. So my clothing was
Jen Lang:fitting a bit tighter, that didn't feel pleasurable. But the
Jen Lang:food and lifestyle activities that I was engaged in, were
Jen Lang:pleasurable. So where do I find this level of self acceptance
Jen Lang:around? This is where I'm at in my body is changing and
Jen Lang:shifting, wildly, honor, pleasure in some way. And it's
Jen Lang:not just tight. How do you do that? How do you do that? Well,
Jen Lang:stay tuned, because we're still unpacking this, to be perfectly
Jen Lang:honest. That's kind of why we're having this conversation. But I
Jen Lang:also feel like, you know, I did some yoga. I was doing yoga
Jen Lang:fairly regularly in the new year, up until mid February. And
Jen Lang:then I just stopped and I was like, Man, I want to break. I
Jen Lang:just don't feel like doing it. And I walked the dogs I work,
Jen Lang:you know, I is I walk 10,000 steps a day, on average, like I
Jen Lang:have no problem with walking and movement. I took a conscious
Jen Lang:pause from karate in September, October. But when I put my GI on
Jen Lang:a few weeks ago to help with a grading, I noticed that my GI
Jen Lang:was fitting differently. And so I was like, Oh, this is
Jen Lang:interesting. My body's shifted and changed. But so there was
Jen Lang:this level of like, I'm just gonna say it. I felt fatter, but
Jen Lang:happier.
Jane Stark:Yes, I remember you saying
Jen Lang:that. And I was like, and I'm not. No, I'm not saying
Jen Lang:these are mutually exclusive. This is my personal experience.
Jen Lang:And I certainly don't want to make a rightness or wrongness
Jen Lang:out of either of those situations or words because I
Jen Lang:think they can be really triggering for people. And
Jen Lang:because I have decided to prioritize pleasure this year as
Jen Lang:one of these words. A, an accompanying result of that is
Jen Lang:that I have gained a bit of weight. And I'm not talking a
Jen Lang:huge amount, but just enough for me to notice that my clothing is
Jen Lang:fitting differently. So where can I find this balance of self
Jen Lang:acceptance around the way that I feel? And the pleasure I'm
Jen Lang:enjoying and still, like let go of the social conditioning
Jen Lang:around Body appearances and yeah, yeah, it took me back to
Jen Lang:some awkward teenage years. Definitely. Some forgiveness
Jen Lang:around that.
Jane Stark:Yeah, yeah. Which is I mean, that's the, the social,
Jane Stark:the social conditioning piece is this so big, right? And so,
Jane Stark:like, I mean, I'm, I'm gonna, I don't know, same but different
Jane Stark:scenario where I've died to have gained weight, call it the
Jane Stark:COVID-19 call it whatever we want, it's probably more likely
Jane Stark:that I'm now in my 40s. And my body is shifting and changing.
Jane Stark:And, yeah, it's been an interesting journey where it's
Jane Stark:similar to you I've sort of, I've been really trying to be in
Jane Stark:a place of self acceptance, and noticing. I guess, noticing
Jane Stark:where the judgment comes up, like the little the judgment in
Jane Stark:my mind the judgment of self, though, like, the resisting what
Jane Stark:is. So for me, I think one of the conversations we had
Jane Stark:recently was I finally, for a while I was holding on to the
Jane Stark:like, Kay clothes aren't fitting quite the way I like them. Okay,
Jane Stark:clothes, like some clothes just aren't fitting anymore. But sort
Jane Stark:of that like, Okay, well hang on to them, because I'll lose the
Jane Stark:weight. Or, you know, and, and then finally, I was like, why am
Jane Stark:I? Why am I resisting this? Why am I walking around wearing
Jane Stark:clothes that don't make me feel good. Maybe I just need to
Jane Stark:actually just go out and buy myself some clothes that make me
Jane Stark:feel good. And that fit me comfortably. And it made me you
Jane Stark:know, it was something we that we talked about? And it's like,
Jane Stark:how many of us do that? How many of us resist going and buying
Jane Stark:the clothes? That make us feel good? Because then we have to
Jane Stark:actually acknowledge that we've gained the weight. Or then we
Jane Stark:have to acknowledge our
Jen Lang:bodies have changed. Yeah, that I've gained or lost
Jen Lang:weight. Yeah. Yeah, whatever he not.
Jane Stark:Exactly. And that is even the thing for me, it feels
Jane Stark:like my whole body has shifted. Like, it's not just that I've
Jane Stark:put on a couple pounds around my belly or whatever. It's like, my
Jane Stark:jackets fit smaller and my like, everything.
Jen Lang:My redistribution. I think that's kind of how I'm
Jen Lang:feeling bathers has been redistribution of, of mass
Jen Lang:around my body. And I like Believe me, I'm not sitting here
Jen Lang:like, agonizing over Oh, no. And five. Yeah, no, this is
Jen Lang:definitely about that those, this is definitely not one of
Jen Lang:those spaces. And,
Jane Stark:but it is hard to love our bodies when they
Jane Stark:change. Yeah, it's hard. Like, and even as somebody you know,
Jane Stark:that I am not somebody who has struggled with my weight all my
Jane Stark:life, I recognize that I'm, you know, I'm in that position. And
Jane Stark:it's hard. Like I've, I've definitely struggled with it,
Jane Stark:it's interesting how even just made me kind of look at and
Jane Stark:observe how all of these different aspects the outer,
Jane Stark:like how we show up in the outer world, or how we look to the
Jane Stark:outer world, it makes up our identity so much. I remember
Jane Stark:going through this, this again, might seem a bit trite, but go
Jane Stark:with me here like, couple years ago, I died and chopped my hair.
Jane Stark:Like and I all my life, I was pretty much a blonde of some
Jane Stark:form or another I was born when I was a kid. And then I you
Jane Stark:know, as a teenager, I started the highlights and, and just
Jane Stark:kind of kept the blonde going. And so I always kind of
Jane Stark:identified as some form of blonde. And then long story
Jane Stark:short, I had an experience a couple years ago, I had an
Jane Stark:opportunity to get my hair done and a makeover and kind of went
Jane Stark:in like sure, do whatever you want. And I came out with like
Jane Stark:the shortest haircut I've ever had. And basically, I was
Jane Stark:Auburn. And yeah, that was a shock to the system. Like, why
Jane Stark:are you telling me? Yeah, this was right before we met, I
Jen Lang:guess I really struggled with a bit of like, my
Jen Lang:identity like, whoa, who am I like, and I mean, it's just
Jen Lang:hair. But it was a real like, wow, it is hair. Because that's
Jen Lang:an identifying feature, right, your other appearance. And so
Jen Lang:I'm gonna be telling you that about the surrender piece where
Jen Lang:you surrender to the experience. And you do like in the universe
Jen Lang:delivered more than
Jane Stark:that morning in my journal. I was like, I'm open to
Jane Stark:possibilities. There's I can't remember exactly what I wrote.
Jane Stark:But it was like, I'm open to whatever opportunities come my
Jane Stark:way and possibilities and data and little did I know that I was
Jane Stark:going into like, come out kind of looking like a different
Jane Stark:person. And yeah, it was an interesting experience like to
Jane Stark:really to go through. And there's a little bit of a little
Jane Stark:bit of that sort of even just with the shifts in my body
Jane Stark:lately where it's like, oh, okay, like, you know, I'm not I
Jane Stark:don't know, just like you say that but the redistribution
Jane Stark:everywhere like so what I am comfortable in what I want to
Jane Stark:wear, how I want to express myself through clothes and
Jane Stark:everything else shifts and changes and starting to get
Jane Stark:comfortable with that, but also recognizing like, oh, like, how
Jane Stark:was that so much of my identity?
Jen Lang:Right? I'd say it's similar. Like maybe it's like
Jen Lang:it's an unpacking of identity. And so there's this level of
Jen Lang:self acceptance that we have that's connected to a particular
Jen Lang:identity that we wear on our outside. And that is reflected
Jen Lang:in our inside I think of it similar to the matrix Kirk, and
Jen Lang:I've just started watching the matrix movies again. Oh, yeah.
Jen Lang:And when they are in the matrix, they look different than when
Jen Lang:they're outside because it's this quote unquote, residual
Jen Lang:self image. Right. And so we have this residual self image
Jen Lang:inside of us that is linked to how we appear and look and see
Jen Lang:each other in the mirror, or in our, you know, our reflection.
Jen Lang:And when that is challenged, or changed, like when we surrender.
Jen Lang:So I was thinking, actually, when you were when you were
Jen Lang:telling me about this hair story again, it's like you gave up a
Jen Lang:form of agency and allowed your identity to be fiddled with by
Jen Lang:someone else.
Jane Stark:And then you allowed my image.
Jen Lang:Yes, yes. Yes. So your image to be, which then caused
Jen Lang:you a deeper inquiry into your identity? Yeah. So, but I had
Jen Lang:situations where I've made drastic changes to my hair and
Jen Lang:my appearance. But I chose those. So I told my hairdresser
Jen Lang:exactly what I wanted. Yeah. And I'm talking like major, like, I
Jen Lang:have naturally dark brown hair. And it was like longish. And I
Jen Lang:was like, make it short. Make it like ProRack bleach blonde crop,
Jen Lang:right? Like, very, very different. I did this when I was
Jen Lang:25. Yeah. So
Jane Stark:yeah, like I've gone from blonde to dark brown, like
Jane Stark:years and years and years ago. But you know, kept it long as I
Jane Stark:like. But yeah, the like to allow somebody to just do what
Jane Stark:they sort of wish. And to go from like, I think that was the
Jane Stark:other thing, it wasn't just to go from like blonde to Auburn,
Jane Stark:it was to go from like, longer, like shoulder length, or longer
Jane Stark:brown up blonde hair too short, Barbara and was like, whoa. And
Jane Stark:as you were, as you were sort of saying that too. And as I'm
Jane Stark:reflecting, it's really interesting, this will get back
Jane Stark:to self acceptance, because I think this is part and parcel in
Jane Stark:this. But like, I'm even just looking to right like, as I've
Jane Stark:continued to surrender and go through my own journey and
Jane Stark:become more in touch with who I am internally, my outward image,
Jane Stark:like I'm thinking of things and things that are a little bit out
Jane Stark:of my control. So the hair thing wasn't out of my control, but I
Jane Stark:kind of surrendered, like you say to the universe, but some of
Jane Stark:the like body stuff, the way my body's changing, feels a little
Jane Stark:more out of my control. Without going into Yes, okay, there's,
Jane Stark:you know, there are factors that we could look at, but I'm a
Jane Stark:pretty even still with that I eat fairly well and barely
Jane Stark:clean. Like, you know, same with like you were sharing with the
Jane Stark:movement, I you know, I get my exercise and whatnot. So, but
Jane Stark:where I was going with that, so that's shifting, and I'm having
Jane Stark:to surrender a bit more to that. And then even things like my
Jane Stark:glasses. So my, I've always, I've always needed glasses, or
Jane Stark:contacts, but I've always worn contacts, like I've I'm like, I
Jane Stark:was like a serial contact, where for like, from the age of
Jane Stark:probably, I don't know, 1415 until about two years ago, all
Jane Stark:around the same time, all of a sudden, a year and a half ago,
Jane Stark:all of a sudden, my eyes just changed and like contacts, like,
Jane Stark:I make me want to scratch my eyes out. And so I've had to go
Jane Stark:to glasses. And it's not just like glasses here and there,
Jane Stark:right? Like, I need corrective lenses all the time. I'm, I'm I
Jane Stark:can't operate without something. So I've had to surrender. But
Jane Stark:again, I've always identified more as like somebody who
Jane Stark:doesn't wear eyeglasses, and I've struggled with the late
Jane Stark:meeting to wear glasses like 24/7 And it's not an I mean,
Jane Stark:yes, again, this is probably all like hormonal really when we're
Jane Stark:looking at it, but the surrendering of the identity
Jane Stark:piece and the surrendering of like, if I look at myself, five
Jane Stark:years ago, even it's like, you know, blonde 1020 pounds later
Jane Stark:didn't wear glasses like like, I just sort of going through this
Jane Stark:Yeah, as we unpack this, I'm like going through this real
Jane Stark:like feels kind of like metamorphosis of like shedding
Jane Stark:parts of who I am. And so to roll back to come back to the
Jane Stark:self acceptance piece. It's definitely been a challenge of
Jane Stark:like self acceptance, right of accepting. And it's not that
Jane Stark:like, I mean, I actually like glasses, both on myself and on
Jane Stark:other people. I don't like that I have to wear them 24/7 I'm
Jane Stark:struggling with that part, I really would like to be able,
Jane Stark:again, the control freak in me is like, I want to be able to
Jane Stark:wear glasses when I want to wear glasses. That's like, that's not
Jane Stark:a statement. But they can be both, right, but that self
Jane Stark:acceptance piece, right of like, I am still the person I am
Jane Stark:whether I'm 20 pounds heavier wearing glasses, and, you know,
Jane Stark:like, but it's so interesting how that can be really
Jane Stark:challenging.
Jen Lang:I do I'm having some similar experience with with my
Jen Lang:hair. Okay, so as I'm in like galloping through my body, an
Jen Lang:interesting thing was a really interesting term because I think
Jen Lang:it gets a relevant topic that, yeah, I think a lot of people
Jen Lang:don't unpack men and women. And so I've personally discovered
Jen Lang:that my hair is wavy, quite naturally. So I'm like working
Jen Lang:with the wave, which I kind of like actually, it's quite
Jen Lang:feminine. But I'm obviously there's more gray coming in. And
Jen Lang:so in the last two years, I've had, I've always had some blonde
Jen Lang:highlights and stuff like that. But in the last two years, I
Jen Lang:have noticed friends who haven't seen for a while or when we
Jen Lang:moved back to Canada, who were like, Whoa, love the gray. I'm
Jen Lang:like, oh, like, it was so gradual for me. And they're like
Jen Lang:you're rockin the look, it's great. I'm like, oh, okay, sure.
Jen Lang:And so there's this level of self acceptance that's linked
Jane Stark:to his social conditioning was red hair again,
Jen Lang:right, gray hair. And also, this is something else
Jen Lang:I've noticed. And it's anecdotal. But how I'm noticing
Jen Lang:how others are viewing me differently. Now that I have
Jen Lang:more gray hair. Even though I still feel for ya, even though I
Jen Lang:still feel like I still sound youthful and young. And
Jen Lang:absolutely, I have I quite I would totally be the first to
Jen Lang:admit I have a youthful energetic energy to me, way of
Jen Lang:being in the world. And every once in a while it crossed his
Jen Lang:mind. I was like, Oh, I wonder if like, I'll comment on
Jen Lang:something or I'll be talking to film. I was like, Oh, I wonder
Jen Lang:who they think like, who's the lady with the gray hair? Because
Jen Lang:of these perceptions that we have about people who are older
Jen Lang:or have more gray hair? But that's kind of my own lens and
Jen Lang:my own conditioning on what I think those people think. Yeah,
Jen Lang:but it did have one experience. It's
Jane Stark:judgments to that little social conditioning
Jane Stark:conditioning. Right, these little thoughts of like,
Jen Lang:Yep, I did have one experience at an electronics
Jen Lang:store where I was replacing a cable, a charging cable for my
Jen Lang:phone. And I had bought for Kirk, and I was talking to the
Jen Lang:attendant in the store. And he was like young guy 2830. Like
Jen Lang:not young, young. But you know, I'm gonna say he was a
Jen Lang:supervisor. wasn't like he was 18. And don't know. But no, they
Jen Lang:were trying to like, Man splain me about the cable.
Unknown:This lady doesn't know anything about
Jen Lang:God. I just like, Dude, I thought the internet
Jen Lang:before you were even born. That was like the dialogue in my
Jen Lang:head. I was like, Are you heckling me because you see that
Jen Lang:I have gray hair and you think I haven't actually, quote unquote,
Jen Lang:use the cable correctly. I'm like, it's an effing cable. It
Jen Lang:doesn't
Jane Stark:work. Do you think I was just gonna, like, unpack
Jane Stark:that quickly? It's interesting. Where is and I know that you and
Jane Stark:I can do this. So we're going to do it here on the podcast. But
Jane Stark:like, is that your own? Feelings of the gray hair and projecting
Jane Stark:that? Oh, it must be the gray hair and he thinks I'm old? Or
Jane Stark:is he? Or is it the female dynamic where it's more of a
Jane Stark:transplanting thing? Or a bit of both? Or maybe it's just him and
Jane Stark:he was not overly? You know what I mean? He thought
Jen Lang:he was genuinely trying to be helpful. Yeah, all
Jen Lang:of these are possible. And I can't know the answer. But I
Jen Lang:just thought it was interesting to me that like it took, you
Jen Lang:know, he went to the effort of like taking it to a computer and
Jen Lang:showing it to my phone. And I'm like, I was like, I've done
Jen Lang:that. And I've done that. And I've done that. And my husband
Jen Lang:has done that. Can you please just replace the fucking cable?
Jen Lang:Because it is. I kind of feel like if my husband had gone in
Jen Lang:with that request, it would have been a 32nd transaction and not
Jen Lang:a five minute rigmarole. Yeah,
Jane Stark:that's interesting, right? Yeah. And quite possibly
Jane Stark:it would have been I mean, that's unfortunately the reality
Jen Lang:that is we live in and that's the I also feel like
Jen Lang:that's an unconscious bias piece. Yeah. Where? So then,
Jen Lang:obviously, that feeds into a question of self acceptance. Can
Jen Lang:I accept where I am? In this stage of my life and my
Jen Lang:appearance and my an honor, my knowledge, my wisdom and my
Jen Lang:expertise? and let go and shed other people's judgments about
Jen Lang:what that means. Yeah, then I mean, not about not about me.
Jane Stark:Yes. I mean, and that is the root of self
Jane Stark:acceptance, right? When we can actually come to a place of
Jane Stark:accepting ourselves for all like, strengths, weaknesses,
Jane Stark:what we see as positive and negative. But it is hard in a
Jane Stark:society like we live in today. And even, you know, even looking
Jane Stark:like I was, there was a meme, or a meme, I think was a meme.
Jane Stark:Anyways, I think I mentioned this to you. But a month or two
Jane Stark:ago, somebody showed this to me. And it was something going
Jane Stark:around, that showed like women in their 40s and 50s, from like,
Jane Stark:the 40s, and 50s, versus women in their 40s and 50s. Today, and
Jane Stark:you can just kind of imagine, like, think back, right?
Jane Stark:Actually, it wasn't even it might not have even been that
Jane Stark:long ago, when there might have been like women in their 40s and
Jane Stark:50s. More in like the 60s to 80s. But like, if you think
Jane Stark:about it back then, like women's have continued to become how to
Jane Stark:explain this, like youth has, like women in their 40s and 50s
Jane Stark:Look Younger still now compared to women in their 40s and
Jane Stark:50s 20 3040 years ago. And so but it's like, are we, I don't
Jane Stark:know, like, there's just something I'm like, and I'm so
Jane Stark:I'm in my 40s now, and I look into all these shifts and
Jane Stark:changes are happening. And I want to keep you know, I enjoy
Jane Stark:keeping up with fashion and, you know, various trends and things
Jane Stark:like that. But at the same time, I also am very conscious of
Jane Stark:being like Kay, I'm 40 not 25 anymore.
Jen Lang:Yeah, like, I might shop at Forever 21 and find one
Jen Lang:or two pieces, but I'm certainly not going to build my wardrobe
Jen Lang:out of a shop named forever 21.
Jane Stark:And so, like coming to those acceptance places, I'm
Jane Stark:not sure where I was going fully with that, but but this coming
Jane Stark:to this place of the acceptance, I also I guess that's the other
Jane Stark:thing I was sort of going to is this, you know, the fact that
Jane Stark:we're both in our 40s and, you know, it's kind of like that
Jane Stark:Fuckit 40s Yeah, so how much of this self acceptance piece also,
Jane Stark:for us is playing in like, I am finding it easier now than I
Jane Stark:even did 510 years ago, to accept myself for even like,
Jane Stark:Yes, I'm talking about changes are different. But I mean, I
Jane Stark:I've gone through phases all my life, right? Where are like, I
Jane Stark:remember I used to, I mean, I've never been one to wear a ton of
Jane Stark:makeup, but I used to definitely my 20s and 30s, I would not be
Jane Stark:going out places do now, like not the way I do now. But the
Jane Stark:way I you know, like now, I'll go I don't care, like no makeup
Jane Stark:glasses on, you know, whatever. Like, I don't care, I can go to
Jane Stark:the grocery store. But like, there's a big,
Jen Lang:broader social acceptance of that, in general,
Jen Lang:although, of course, we are also located on the west coast, which
Jen Lang:is a bit more relaxed, where that's concerned. And now, like
Jen Lang:I'm speaking through the lens of having lived in Dubai and Abu
Jen Lang:Dhabi. And also, you know, spending short times living in
Jen Lang:England and Germany in the 90s. And, you know, actually, even
Jen Lang:when I moved to Montreal, like fashion focused, right, so the
Jen Lang:clothing that I used to wear in the West Coast, I would not like
Jen Lang:did not translate well, in Montreal, absolutely. Even
Jen Lang:precog. And I joke about like, we had a closet dedicated just
Jen Lang:to shoes, because it's just, you know, because, you know, the
Jen Lang:four very distinct seasons there. And obviously, you needed
Jen Lang:footwear for all four of those seasons. But I had I had a lot
Jen Lang:of colds, you know, and there's malls and shopping. And, you
Jen Lang:know, yes, I was working as a singer. So there were definitely
Jen Lang:I'm gonna say unspoken expectations around how I would
Jen Lang:show up for auditions and the clothing I would need to offer
Jen Lang:like for school and those kinds of things.
Jane Stark:But salutely And I mean, some of it like I don't
Jane Stark:work in an office anymore. Like when I used to work in an
Jane Stark:office. Yes, like, but I noticed that even just more down to even
Jane Stark:like having people over now that we're sort of doing that again.
Jane Stark:Yeah, I just, I'm not so uptight anymore, about like the house
Jane Stark:needing to be perfectly clean, or having to be all made up and
Jane Stark:look a certain way. And so I don't know, I don't know if this
Jane Stark:is like the bucket 40s or if this is the post COVID or if
Jane Stark:this is like there's a number of factors. But there's also
Jen Lang:partly generational. Yeah, or that sense because I
Jen Lang:don't remember. I don't remember my mom being particularly Fuckit
Jen Lang:40s In some senses, like, but she's also a product of her
Jen Lang:generation and British so and British. That's you. Although
Jen Lang:now I'd say she's more relaxed. But she's still very much is
Jen Lang:about, you know, having her hair. I'm not to say perfect,
Jen Lang:but like, look look nice. And wearing a bit of makeup before
Jen Lang:she leaves the house and yeah,
Jane Stark:yeah, I mean when I think back to you, right, like
Jane Stark:as a child and teenager growing up, like, I definitely felt like
Jane Stark:my mum was much more it was like, you know, at Christmas,
Jane Stark:you know, Christmas Eve and it was like, you dress up to go for
Jane Stark:dinner. And like, she's definitely relaxed now. I mean,
Jane Stark:my mom also lives in a resort mountain town now. So, you know,
Jane Stark:she's, and she's still like, I can tell sometimes, you know,
Jane Stark:she'll still dress up the odd time, like, you know, for
Jane Stark:Christmas Eve when you know, whereas my sisters and I are
Jane Stark:kind of at the point where, like, it's just our family,
Jane Stark:like, I'm gonna wear my stretchy pants to eat turkey dinner like,
Jane Stark:Oh, good. Yeah. My mom still will, you know, but definitely
Jane Stark:not like when I was a kid where, you know, you're right. Like,
Jane Stark:when she would have been in her 40s There was still a bit more
Jane Stark:of a like, no, there's times and places and we social expectation
Jane Stark:like, dress? I think in general, you're right. Society wise,
Jane Stark:we've definitely relaxed, which I think is a positive, you know,
Jane Stark:and even this movement for more acceptance, actually. Yeah. You
Jane Stark:know, like, with, you're seeing big brands, I mean, wasn't it
Jane Stark:just recently, it's Sports Illustrated, I think, had a plus
Jane Stark:size model on the cover. And so we are seeing that movement,
Jane Stark:which is helping the self acceptance, I think we still
Jane Stark:have a really long way to go.
Jen Lang:Definitely. And in terms of that, and seeing, I
Jen Lang:think that's supporting the self acceptance movement, because
Jen Lang:also, we're having this conversation as to white
Jen Lang:cisgendered women, married women. And
Jane Stark:yeah, that's awful. That's level of self acceptance,
Jen Lang:or level of self acceptance. And, you know, I
Jen Lang:want to, like, definitely have a conscious conversation around
Jen Lang:this, like, we are talking from our perspective as sis white
Jen Lang:cisgendered married women, very, very privileged community,
Jen Lang:middle class, privileged, upbringing and communities
Jen Lang:definitely, like, we had different upbringings, I
Jen Lang:definitely grew up through through some pretty hardcore
Jen Lang:poverty when I was a child. But at the same time, it was, I find
Jen Lang:myself in a great spot now. So the difference for people of
Jen Lang:color, and for people who don't fit those heteronormative
Jen Lang:definitions of, of course, it's wonderful to see more public
Jen Lang:facing images out there, and conversations around that
Jen Lang:acceptance piece. I still think that it's not unusual for
Jen Lang:everyone to struggle at some level with self acceptance over
Jen Lang:what you know, depending on what point in your life you're going
Jen Lang:through, if you're going through, like an emotional time,
Jen Lang:like roads, a family breakup, or something like that, even
Jen Lang:children, children and teenagers God teaching, how do you teach
Jen Lang:children and teens self acceptance when your peers? I
Jen Lang:don't
Jane Stark:know. But when you find out full Can you let me
Jane Stark:know? Or when I get through it, I'll let you know. Yeah, it's
Jane Stark:it's yeah, it's a it's, it's a tough one to watch and to
Jane Stark:navigate. But I think it all comes I think, as you're
Jane Stark:talking, so much of it comes down to it's this battle, even
Jane Stark:back to this self compassion topic that we talked about a
Jane Stark:couple of weeks ago, because I want to say it comes down to
Jane Stark:self esteem. But self esteem is a tricky one. I don't know that
Jane Stark:I really, I'm not fully on board with the whole self esteem
Jane Stark:movement. In that, I think it creates some unhealthy
Jane Stark:narcissistic traits. But self compassion, and learning to
Jane Stark:have, and confidence, healthy confidence, I think is a key and
Jane Stark:that for me, if I look at, again, my journey and how what
Jane Stark:I'm sharing has, has kind of come together is that as I've
Jane Stark:built my confidence on who I am as a person and really stepped
Jane Stark:into more and more owning myself, yep. That's where the
Jane Stark:like, give less fucks is coming from. So.
Jen Lang:So you're seeing a direct correlation before
Jen Lang:yourself between self acceptance and self confidence? Yes,
Jane Stark:the higher my confidence goes, the higher my
Jane Stark:self acceptance goes. And I think even you know, bring it
Jane Stark:back to a little bit to the teens. I have, you know, one who
Jane Stark:will be 13 in a couple of weeks. And another preteen and that is
Jane Stark:always been, that's always been one of my things is parenting is
Jane Stark:if I can raise confident girls. Yeah, that to me is the key for
Jane Stark:them. to go out into the world and be whoever they want to be,
Jane Stark:however they want to show up. You know, I Yeah. And so, you
Jane Stark:know, and that's hard. I think with I've been saying a lot.
Jane Stark:It's hard today it sounds like, it feels hard. I don't know.
Jen Lang:It's challenging,
Jane Stark:challenging, right? Because like you say, you are
Jane Stark:working with so many different factors. But yeah, I think for
Jane Stark:me, that is. That's exactly it. The correlation between
Jane Stark:confidence. And I would sense yeah, and I would say, when I
Jane Stark:look back at myself as a teen, and especially in my 20s. Yeah,
Jane Stark:like, compared to where I am now, and all of the work I've
Jane Stark:done, and all of the deep like self excavation, yeah, it's,
Jane Stark:it's been a complete shift. And I do wonder if that's where
Jane Stark:again, almost like, the elder needs to match the inner more,
Jane Stark:we're like shedding this, like, needing to have this certain
Jane Stark:image of how I look. Like doesn't matter.
Jen Lang:I think that's super juicy. In the sense that, and
Jen Lang:even if, if it makes you feel good to do your hair and put
Jen Lang:makeup on every day, then do it. Like, yeah, absolutely. This is
Jen Lang:the other like the other. I'm gonna say another angle to the
Jen Lang:conversation is, is that this, you know, if it makes you feel
Jen Lang:good to dye your hair until you're 97? Like fucking do it,
Jen Lang:dye your hair until you're 97? I know people who did that. Yeah.
Jen Lang:And more power to you. Why, how
Jane Stark:are you? That's that level of success? Exactly.
Jane Stark:Right. There's zero judgment. Yeah. And all of what we're
Jane Stark:sharing, it's not about judging.
Jen Lang:No. And the, I think when we let go of the judgment
Jen Lang:narrative in ourselves, then we can find, obviously find it
Jen Lang:easier to accept oneself and increase that self confidence
Jen Lang:piece, but I think they all go hand in hand. And also, another
Jen Lang:factor, I think, see is surrendering to what is. So, you
Jen Lang:know, again, I think it ties into some of those things we
Jen Lang:talked about, like what's in the scope of your control? Well, I
Jen Lang:can manage my appearance. You know, and I, yeah, I could have
Jen Lang:got up this morning, not had a shower and still run this online
Jen Lang:workshop, and my hair would have been fine. But I knew I wanted
Jen Lang:to feel better and fresher and have fresh, like, feel fresher
Jen Lang:and cleaner and have my hair. I'm gonna sit down or style, but
Jen Lang:it was like, you know, it's guaranteed and not bedhead. So
Jen Lang:it's more about that's what helped me feel good for the
Jen Lang:activity that I was taking undertaking this morning. Other
Jen Lang:times, I'm like, tie the hair back and go. Yeah,
Jane Stark:no, totally. I mean, I love like, I still, you know,
Jane Stark:enjoy dressing up. And that was part of the reason for me to go
Jane Stark:and buy some new clothes. To be honest, it was like, I need
Jane Stark:there's definitely something to be said for. You know, we hear a
Jane Stark:lot i i haven't I don't hear it so much anymore. But I remember
Jane Stark:there was a period where it was like, oh, you know, it's
Jane Stark:important to get up and get dressed every day, even when
Jane Stark:you're working from home. Like get up and put those jeans on or
Jane Stark:get up and put your makeup on. And I don't fully subscribe to
Jane Stark:that. Like, I don't, I don't enjoy sitting around in
Jane Stark:uncomfortable jeans all day in my home office. And but now I've
Jane Stark:kind of found this balance where some days. Yeah, it's like no
Jane Stark:makeup. And just like my Lulu is. And I'm comfy. And other
Jane Stark:days, it's like, actually, it feels really good to put on some
Jane Stark:jeans and a nice sweater and put my makeup on and just feel good
Jane Stark:in our in my body. And so to be able to get to that place,
Jane Stark:though of being able to do both. And I think the other key is the
Jane Stark:intention. And the what it gives you. So for me, it's now coming
Jane Stark:from a place of pleasure. If we come back to what you're saying.
Jane Stark:It feels good. I enjoy it. I want to do it. It doesn't come
Jane Stark:from a place of insecurity or like, oh, I can't let you know.
Jane Stark:I can't go out without makeup on.
Jen Lang:Yeah, no, no, I totally don't feel that way.
Jen Lang:Yes. And I love that you tie this back to pleasure, because
Jen Lang:at the end of the day, pleasure is a feeling worth honoring,
Jen Lang:especially in your day to day interactions. And so perfect
Jen Lang:example this morning, I was teaching an online workshop for
Jen Lang:a government agency and I knew I wanted to wear a dress, but I
Jen Lang:got out three possibilities. And I looked at the three dresses on
Jen Lang:my bed and I was like okay, what's going to feel Hey, body,
Jen Lang:Hey, Jen, what's going to feel really good to wear and still be
Jen Lang:comfortable for teaching this workshop and teaching this work
Jen Lang:because yes, it will be seated but there'll be some, you know,
Jen Lang:like movements standing and stretching. And so I yeah, I
Jen Lang:chose this blue dress and I love it and it's comfy. I've had it a
Jen Lang:long time but I can dress it up and you know well The boys that
Jen Lang:making that choice felt pleasurable. And the stress, you
Jen Lang:know, fits me and my body no matter where I'm at. So I think
Jen Lang:it's finding this balance of pleasure, self acceptance, self
Jen Lang:confidence and acceptance around where you at where you're at in
Jen Lang:your life, and what activity you're undertaking that day.
Jane Stark:Yeah, absolutely. So if we go if we kind of wrap this
Jane Stark:up with the self acceptance piece, and somebody that's
Jane Stark:wanting to step into more self acceptance or get to that place,
Jane Stark:how do we, how do we start on that journey? Oh, I
Jen Lang:think it really depends how honestly, I would
Jen Lang:start really small. This is from from purse from speaking as
Jen Lang:someone who had very low self confidence for much of her teen
Jen Lang:and I'd say young adult life, very low confidence, I would
Jen Lang:start with something small, like what do you what's something
Jen Lang:small that you love about your body? First of all, and in for
Jen Lang:me, like something simple, I'm like, I've always loved my ears.
Jen Lang:I don't know why. They just have a pleasing shape. They are
Jen Lang:pretty. And so I started there. And then that self acceptance
Jen Lang:piece, that was sort of the finding the love for myself and
Jen Lang:my body and where I'm at, and I knew I knew I would, quote
Jen Lang:unquote, never be a skinny kid, because I was never that kid.
Jen Lang:And at the same time, I love my curves now. And yeah, sometimes
Jen Lang:self acceptance takes, I'm gonna say conscious, intentional
Jen Lang:practice, in the sense that, Okay, I accept that this is
Jen Lang:where my body is today. And I also choose, I know that I have
Jen Lang:the power to change that, that I felt I really cared about these
Jen Lang:five extra kilos that I'm carrying around right now or
Jen Lang:whatever it is that I want to shift or change. Yeah, I can
Jen Lang:totally make some lifestyle, quote, unquote, exercise changes
Jen Lang:to make that happen. But because my word is pleasure this year,
Jen Lang:what's, what feels more pleasurable? If it brings me
Jen Lang:pleasure to exercise to feel like I fit my clothing better
Jen Lang:than I will follow that. So I think to answer your question,
Jen Lang:for our listeners, where do you start with that self acceptance?
Jen Lang:Follow the feeling of what feels good first. And see how it
Jen Lang:applies to your specific circumstances?
Jane Stark:Mm hmm. I like that. I've also, well, for me, it's
Jane Stark:been a lot of questioning, like getting curious. So, you know,
Jane Stark:if I'm like, oh, like, I don't, I don't like this role that
Jane Stark:showed up. Or, like, I'm like, oh, so what? Why? Like, what
Jane Stark:does that what am I making that mean about myself? Great
Jane Stark:question. And so starting to unpack that now, I've got a lot
Jane Stark:of the tools to do that self reflective work. But I think,
Jane Stark:you know, I look and go, Why do we? Why do we judge ourselves so
Jane Stark:harshly? And because we're where am I looking for outside
Jane Stark:acceptance? It's actually because I'm looking to be
Jane Stark:accepted by the external. And so what am I seeking in that? Like,
Jane Stark:it's always kind of into this like, like, the void a little
Jane Stark:bit, right, where we're seeking, we're seeking something outside
Jane Stark:of us. And so what are we trying to fill?
Jen Lang:Receive? Okay, seeking that external affirmation or
Jen Lang:external validation, when in actual fact, we need to be
Jen Lang:finding it. And that validation internally first, yeah. Yeah,
Jen Lang:sort of like waiting questions. Let's put those in our show
Jen Lang:notes. Yeah, so people, and obviously, if you don't have the
Jen Lang:tools, and you want to look more deeply like
Jane Stark:this is what coaching is a perfect container
Jane Stark:for this right to start looking at this, because and oftentimes,
Jane Stark:it's not really about the extra five pounds or the role or the
Jane Stark:thing like, it's, it's about what's deeper, what's underneath
Jane Stark:that it's about the emotions that are stored. It's about you
Jane Stark:know, and really sitting in I remember one of our mentor that
Jane Stark:both you and I work with, she has a program called flow body.
Jane Stark:And one of the things that she talks about is like, really feel
Jane Stark:into your body. And your body has sort of a I can't remember
Jane Stark:like a setpoint. Right, and everybody's body is different.
Jane Stark:And so one of the things that's been really interesting,
Jane Stark:actually, I've noticed, as I've sort of stepping into this sort
Jane Stark:of new body A lot of people, I've had a couple of people that
Jane Stark:I haven't seen in quite a while that, you know, have said like,
Jane Stark:Wow, you look really good, you're glowing? And, you know,
Jane Stark:I'm like, oh, okay, thank you, you know, but I'm, like,
Jane Stark:interesting. Like, just, I've had little comments like that,
Jane Stark:where it's like, in some, and I've even had one conversation
Jane Stark:with somebody who I know well enough to have this conversation
Jane Stark:with blood, like, yeah, you know, I've done I'm really
Jane Stark:trying to, like, step into this new body and accept it and
Jane Stark:whatnot. And they're, like, you know, like, wow, you're wearing
Jane Stark:it really well, like I can, you know, like, and even said, like,
Jane Stark:Yes, I can see that you have, you know, your that you have put
Jane Stark:on weight, but it looks really good on you. And it's just
Jane Stark:interesting kind of perspective. And so, you know, that it's made
Jane Stark:me question that too, and be like, perhaps this is where my
Jane Stark:body actually needs to be.
Jen Lang:Exactly. I think that's what I'm feeling about
Jen Lang:this year with the pleasure piece. With like, this is where
Jen Lang:my body needs to be right now.
Jane Stark:Yeah. And five years ago, yeah, you know, my body was
Jane Stark:at a different place. It needed to be so really like, and this
Jane Stark:is very deep, it takes it definitely takes. This isn't
Jane Stark:just a sit and ask your body thing, I don't think because
Jane Stark:it's too easy for our egos to overtake. But really sitting
Jane Stark:with, okay, if this is truly like the the healthy setpoint
Jane Stark:for my body, how can I love and embrace that. Versus, we, you
Jane Stark:know, we're so inundated with societal conditioning and
Jane Stark:messaging that we need to be skinnier, we need to be fitter,
Jane Stark:or we need to have the six pack or the, you know, the, the arms
Jane Stark:like that are super strong and true
Jen Lang:for men and women these days. Absolutely. Very
Jen Lang:different ways. But they it shows up in different ways. But
Jen Lang:it's, I still feel like men get a bit more of a pass than women
Jen Lang:do. But the same images are presented and like I'd say,
Jen Lang:especially rampant in, in for gay men and for for non non
Jen Lang:cisgendered. Absolutely, yeah. Men. So so
Jane Stark:really sitting in that and looking at what do you
Jane Stark:have going on in your life? What do you have? Like, I've had a
Jane Stark:lot of a lot of things going on in my life, too. So also looking
Jane Stark:at that and going okay, so based on everything that I'm dealing
Jane Stark:with right now? Am I really in a you know, Am I really in a bad
Jane Stark:position? Not necessarily. And I think that's, that feels like a
Jane Stark:piece of self acceptance, and that I'm sharing this, and I can
Jane Stark:speak about it. And it still feels a bit achy, like I'll be
Jane Stark:honest, when I even when I share it, there is still a part of me
Jane Stark:that's like, like, but I just want to be that 10 pounds
Jane Stark:lighter, like that little bit trimmer. But that's again, my
Jane Stark:conditioning, and I'm aware of it.
Jen Lang:So I have a friend who recently not my say to recently,
Jen Lang:but earlier this year told me that they wanted to lose 20
Jen Lang:pounds, and they're already a petite frame. However, I sort of
Jen Lang:questioned them on I was like, Well, why why do you feel that?
Jen Lang:Well, they they said, oh, I'll just feel better. I just feel
Jen Lang:better. And so they're increasing their exercise and
Jen Lang:activity level. And, you know, they're like, Oh, I've already
Jen Lang:lost 10 pounds. I feel great. I just feel better when I'm this
Jen Lang:weight. I'm like, okay, great self knowledge. But it's also
Jen Lang:getting, are you? Are you doing that? Because of the number are
Jen Lang:you doing that? Because of what this is how you used to look and
Jen Lang:you're trying to go for this unattainable ideal of what you
Jen Lang:were who you were 20 years ago, or like this is the other level
Jen Lang:of self acceptance that this is the shadow aspect of self
Jen Lang:acceptance, where you think you're doing it for one reason.
Jen Lang:But the actual underlying messaging might be where the
Jen Lang:underlying reasons might be something that you're not
Jen Lang:willing to look at. Yes. So that's another facet. I was
Jen Lang:going to ask one more sort of question that I can ask this of
Jen Lang:you, but this is also for our listeners is like, what would it
Jen Lang:take for you to accept yourself exactly where you are today, in
Jen Lang:this moment? where you're at?
Jane Stark:That's funny, and like a wash of calm comes over
Jane Stark:me when you say that? Yeah. I think it's taking a hard look
Jane Stark:like I sort of said about at, you know, when I've had to look
Jane Stark:at like, okay, my body is shifting and changing. But I'm
Jane Stark:doing the things like, I feel fairly good in my body. It's my
Jane Stark:judgments of myself that don't feel good. So it's a different
Jane Stark:energy than I'm in a rut. I'm drinking too much. I'm eating
Jane Stark:like junk food and sugar all the time and pulling out the chips
Jane Stark:which I have been there. And that's a very different feeling
Jane Stark:to Okay. Like, yeah, I'm stepping into this new version.
Jane Stark:But I'm, you know, I'm getting my sleep, I'm managing my
Jane Stark:stress, I'm getting outside in nature. I'm getting like, I'm
Jane Stark:sweating, you know, getting a sweat on I'm eating fairly
Jane Stark:balanced. Like, there was a period in my life to where and
Jane Stark:now I was doing this partly because of health, I had some
Jane Stark:health during my like my more acute health challenges. But I
Jane Stark:had to go I went really swung really far to the other side
Jane Stark:where like, no processed sugar, no processed food, basically,
Jane Stark:super clean eating no alcohol. And yeah, I dropped probably 20
Jane Stark:pounds. And I was at my thinnest, I think one of my
Jane Stark:thinnest had ever been, and I felt really good, because I was
Jane Stark:really clean. But I was also living in a very rigid state.
Jane Stark:Yes. And that is the other flip side of this too, right? So this
Jane Stark:is this, like, kind of like what you were saying comes back to
Jane Stark:the pleasure, like, do I want to live that rigidly so that I can,
Jane Stark:like, have this body that, I think is what I need to somehow
Jane Stark:my value gets tied into that. versus, like, having a more
Jane Stark:balanced? Like, you know, like I say, for the most part, I eat
Jane Stark:fairly well, but I've definitely loosened up where I'm probably
Jane Stark:I'm probably now even more like 7030, you know, not necessarily
Jane Stark:the 8020 rule. I'm probably more on the 7030 rule now where I'm
Jane Stark:like, Okay, I'm going to have some of those chips, and okay,
Jane Stark:I'm gonna like, go and grab that sweet or whatever. But like you
Jane Stark:say, if that's what feels good and balanced? What's wrong with
Jen Lang:that? Yeah. It's like any guess, obviously, we're in a
Jen Lang:place of privilege where we can be making those choices and be
Jen Lang:making those decisions. Although I do admit that I am adjusting
Jen Lang:some of my say, I'm making more conscious food purchase
Jen Lang:decisions. It's like, actually, I'm not going to buy the potato
Jen Lang:chips. I'm gonna buy the apple chips instead. Right? Because
Jen Lang:they're gonna have the same crunch. And they'll have they
Jen Lang:have that obviously, better dietary. So making like more
Jen Lang:bang for your buck, I'm gonna say. And that is a level of
Jane Stark:revenue tuitions put into tremely from a privileged
Jane Stark:place. Typically, that costs more money. Yes. So yes, there's
Jane Stark:absolutely angles,
Jen Lang:there's so many angles to look at it. Anyway, this has
Jen Lang:been our part as a part one probably. Acceptance unpacking
Jen Lang:self acceptance. Yeah, we will have already talked about it on
Jen Lang:the community call by the time this episode goes live, but I'm,
Jen Lang:I imagine we're going to be having more conversations around
Jen Lang:it. I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Jane Stark:Yeah. And I was gonna say, because I think this
Jane Stark:is a big piece of the work we do. We don't necessarily go out
Jane Stark:and talk about our work in and self acceptance as a as, like,
Jane Stark:one of the things but, you know, as we're talking about this
Jane Stark:conversation, and thinking about our clients, and the work we do,
Jane Stark:and when we were sort of talking about starting to unpack this,
Jane Stark:it's absolutely at the core of the coaching work we do. And so
Jane Stark:if you are looking for support, you know, if you're feeling if
Jane Stark:you're having trouble in some of these areas, because the other
Jane Stark:thing is it affects every area of our life, like definitely
Jane Stark:affects so many different things. You know, reach out, you
Jane Stark:know, chat with us. And, well, I
Jen Lang:think this is actually great, definitely reach out and
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Jen Lang:360 minute sessions. And it is a really powerful place to start
Jen Lang:to unpack some of this. Yeah. So this sounds interesting to you
Jen Lang:definitely reach out. I hope you've enjoyed our conversation
Jen Lang:around the power is or the trials and tribulations of self
Jen Lang:acceptance. I don't know. We don't know what we're going to
Jen Lang:call this journey. I don't know it's a journey to get there, but
Jen Lang:it's ongoing.
Jane Stark:Definitely the fuck 40s
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Jane Stark:if you're not if you're not there yet. This is
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