The Art of Owning Your Trauma with guest Laura Craddock

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We love exploring everybody and welcome back to another episode of no halos here with Jen Lang and Jane star like today we have a very special guest Laura Craddock with us and Laura is a holistic health practitioner, and spiritual teacher. She is a sacred space holder for healing and allowing people to find the freedom for the fullest expression of themselves. She combined combines energy medicine, nutrition, Herbes, somatic work and coaching to help support the total mind, body and spirit. Laura is really passionate about helping others tap into their own inherent wisdom, so that they can become their own healer. I'm super excited about this conversation we're gonna have today and some of the questions. So welcome, Laura. Hi. Thanks so much, Laura. Yeah, it's great to having us today. Now, Laura, you're joining us today from Texas. Right. So tell us a little bit about how you ended up in Texas.

Yeah, so I am in Austin, Texas. I moved here in November of last year. And it was really a spiritual journey to get here. I was feeling guided to move from Seattle, Washington and was just feeling guided to move in a different direction and just got some messages from spirit to move to Austin. And so I'm here and enjoying it. so far. It's definitely warmer than Seattle.

Yep, definitely. Yeah, yeah. And then, so to talk a little bit to give some context for the topic, because today we're talking about the basically, our kind of overall theme is owning stuff. And today, we wanted to talk with you about owning your trauma. And we all have various levels of trauma that have happened to us in our lives. And I don't think you, you can't really be human and not have a traumatic experience. So

that's a good I'm gonna interrupt you there quickly on do when we talk about trauma and the definition of trauma before we go any further because I think you've touched on a really good point there. So I'm curious, Laura, maybe if you could define what trauma is for you, in terms of how you do your work, because a lot of people think that it has to be some big thing. And if we didn't have this big thing, then we don't have trauma? And I don't know, is that true?

No, it's not, you know, and trauma had happens in nature all the time. And it's part of our human experience. And, you know, trauma is really what happens is, whenever you have trauma is a normal part of our experience where you can be driving down the road, and a car fell out in front of you, and you jump. And you know, that's your immediate response. And that's a trauma response. But what happens is, you know, the, there's a difference between like trauma and then traumatized, right, so like, trauma is just that responsive, of, you know, having a moment where we become overwhelmed, and we have an overwhelming charge or have emotion, that effect that impacts us. And then when we don't complete the trauma cycle, then that energy gets stuck in our system and we become traumatized. So, you know, in psychology, and then early development, they they talk about this, this, this rupture and repair. And so whenever someone experiences that emotional overwhelm, there's a rupture that happens. And they and there's a disconnect that occurs. And then so the rupture is inevitable. And we, you know, all throughout life, we're going to have these ruptures, you know, we can be you know, even just, like, not, you know, smiling when we don't want to smile, or, you know, not speaking up for ourselves, or, you know, just that change in heart rate variability. If you get scared, then that can be a traumatic event. variants. So it doesn't have to be this big, overwhelming event where people used to think that it was reserved for, you know, people who were combat veterans or, you know, experienced domestic violence or abuse. And really, it's just, you know, not completing that cycle of getting back to a calm and balanced state.

That's a really interesting distinction between trauma and being traumatized, that I don't think people really consider so and of course, this isn't to belittle an experience that listener might have around a traumatic experience, that they consider them compelling and large. It's not to make that, you know, somebody scares you when you sneeze, or when they when you sneeze, or something like that, or they view Mike Kirk's favorite way of like, trying to get rid of hiccups for me is to scare me, and I hate it. Just like stuff going on. So on some very small level, that is, it's like, that's my anger response. Because I don't want to be scared. Probably because something happened when I was younger.

Yeah. Or not. I mean, it can or it can be and there's, I mean, there's so many different trauma is that, you know, happens in it. And I talk about this a lot of like, and I was talking to Jane earlier about, you know, we look at the you look at the epigenetics of trauma, and some things are just encoded in our DNA, right, like, the, the, the information that, you know, our grandparents held in their experience of, you know, the area that they lived in, and, you know, the environment, and they needed to have certain physiological abilities to know, you know, what's around them. So like, you know, someone that lives in Africa has to have the information to know that they may have needed to run from a wildebeest at some point, right, or they need to know how to forage for food. And so that information gets encoded in the DNA, and then over time, it can lose its context. And so it's like, we are wired for trauma in a certain way where we need to know, you know, our, our bodies, and our nervous systems need to know that we need to be able to run from something if we need to run from something, or you know, how to find food, or how to, you know, how to do all of these different things. So, there's, there's so much around having an understanding of that, and what's in our system, and then what happens in early development to where, you know, we our nervous systems are being regulated to our environment with our parents or guardians. And so, you know, if it was having an environment that was very dysregulated, then the foundation of our nervous system can be very dysregulated.

So for some reason, Oh, go ahead, Jen.

Go ahead. I was just gonna ask a question. Janet, I haven't talked for a week together. Now we're like, you go, Jane. Okay. I'm losing my question. Now. What was my question? Is there I've totally lost my question. Okay. Go ahead.

I'm gonna come back to me. I just wanted to talk ask, can you give a brief definition, Laura, of what is it dysregulation in the nervous system for our listeners, people who don't know what dysregulated dysregulated is?

Yeah, so and that is that they, you know, out of the out of balance, so like a calm balanced, reg state would be regulated. And then dysregulated would be anything outside of that. I mean, that's my definition of it. Right. So, you know, somebody and you know, who has a and really it can be anything where the connection is not established. And so, Dr. Gabor Ma Tei talks about, you know, in childhood, the two types of things that happen whenever a child experiences trauma, and its attachment and authenticity, and so when they don't experience that attachment with their guardian, like, you know, getting feeling seen feeling safe, feeling supported, feeling nurtured and, you know, held when they're crying and and Anything that helps calm and soothe their nervous system so that they feel safe and supported, if it was unsafe, if it wasn't, so dysregulation could also be unsafe, right? felt unsafe. And, and that can also mean so like from the authenticity perspective, that also means that, you know, that freedom of self expression, if they didn't feel free to fully express themselves, you know, it's the it's the, you know, stop crying or children were meant to be seen and not heard. And, you know, smile, or even, you know, wear this or be this way, or just do what I say, you know, any of those kind of things that, you know, can be traumatizing to a child.

Yeah, I think it's really interesting, this idea and I, I almost wish there was another word because trauma to me, maybe this is just me how I but it feels to me like it's been so suicidally conditioned, that it's this big thing. But it doesn't have to be. Or also, I don't know, the recognize recognizing of it. So it makes me think, like I've had a couple of while like Jen said, we've all had traumatic experiences in our life, whether they're the small ones, you know, quote unquote, small, like you're just referring to in childhood and kind of being suppressed or whatnot, or something bigger. But what I've, what I've realized over the past number of years is that I downplayed my trauma for a long time, and you know, it was sort of like, oh, it wasn't that bad. Like there was this kind of like, just pick yourself up and kept going or, oh, I'm catastrophizing, if I make it a big deal, or if I actually allow myself to feel the feelings about that incident, and I wonder how common that is to and you know, that that not even allowing or validating the fact that something did cause an emotional reaction? Or you didn't complete that? What is that that circle called? The trauma cycle, the trauma cycle? Is that common? Is that something that you see a lot?

Yeah, yeah, it is. And, you know, I, we are, honestly believe that, you know, 99.9% of us have, if you're a human being on this planet, is experienced trauma. And I feel like there's more awareness around it, now. It's becoming more, you know, prevalent, and, and everywhere around us. I mean, obviously, over the past year, year and three months, it's, you know, people are very aware of the fact that, you know, there's trauma happening, and that that's absolutely true that a lot of people just didn't, I think it's just because we just haven't had enough information. And I wish there was another word for it too. And I'm constantly thinking of new ways to, to articulate it and communicated. And it is, I mean, it's the overwhelm, and it's the stress but, and it's that, that dysregulation of the nervous system, and, you know, when, and there's, we can talk about, you know, what happens in the body after that, right, like, once those, once that rupture happens, and once the the nervous system becomes dysregulated, then that's when ever, you know, histamine responses happen, and adrenaline happens, and then overproduction of cortisol, and then it can manifest into a lot of other things.

So that would be like different systems in your body having this reaction to the dysregulation. So when you talk about those histamine reactions, that would be the development of allergies and other things overnight or in a short period of time. And then I guess those cortisol pieces, obviously, we know that cortisol is the quote unquote, stress hormone. So then you're getting an imbalance of those hormones and over a long period of time, then of course, that's going to lead to some pretty long term effects on your body. Not to mention the way that you interact. And I suppose conversely, to that, you would have the numbness where people can't identify a feeling or don't feel a feeling because they shut down access to that feeling center. Probably because of overwhelm. So lots of people have,

which then also manifests itself in the body, right?

Yeah, does. Yeah. And it's that and that this is that dissociation where we become disembodied, and that's the, you know, and the you know, there's a lot of the the term embodiment that has been is being brought around now too. So you hear that embodiment and that's where those embodiment practices and that's so many Matter work comes in, and it's like getting back in the body because you do lose that connection, and then you disconnect, and a completely dissociated disconnect from the body, and getting back into the body is the work. And that sort of the repair starts to happen.

Yeah, that's so true. That's been my journey. Definitely. So in terms of working the work that you do, can you give us a little bit of insight how you work with clients, or how you how you approach trauma with your clients?

Yeah, yeah. And it's all different, you know, I each, each person is different in the way that, you know, they're there, they've experienced trauma, and sometimes it's, you know, I use, I use a bunch of different tools. So I definitely provide the information to inform people about trauma. And, you know, I feel like, it's just super important for you, whether you, if you've experienced trauma, if you are still in the process of healing from trauma, or, you know, or you you've, you've found a way to manage it and have either healed or, you know, okay, like, for me, I know, all right, my trauma, my own trauma is something that like, just like someone who, you know, if you look at people that are in recovery, and they say, okay, you know, I'm an addict, and that's always a part of me, and something I'm gonna have to manage, my trauma is an aspect of me that, you know, is part of me and something that is, you know, that I have to, to take notice of, and manage and honor that, that aspect of myself and know that, you know, I have to do my embodiment practices, and I have to continue to do my work to, to manage that. So I provide a lot of education around that. And I feel like it's, it's just super, I'm very passionate about, you know, I feel like everyone needs to be trauma informed. Like, if you're going to be in your, if you're going to be in relationships, if you're going to, you know, connect with other human beings, it's so important to have an understanding of trauma. So because we're also, you know, is and children are all, you know, co regulating with their parents, but we're co regulating with each other all of the time, too. And, you know, so having an understanding of trauma, and how to do the work and how to own our own trauma and how to manage that. And it is important, and, you know, to develop that language, and those those just, I just feel like it's important, like, but yeah, so as far as the work that I do, you know, I use education and counseling and some in support, I do energy work, I use a body met practices, I've have some somatic self inquiry practices that I teach. And I leverage a lot of nutrition and herbs as well, because, you know, having an understanding of how you can use food, how you can use nutrition and herbs to regulate your nervous system, for for certain people. You can get about 80% there as far as healing and regulating your nervous system with nutrition.

Wow. That's so awesome. Yeah. Can you tell us a little bit more about that? How did you come into that? Or and how do you? How do you use that in your practice?

Yeah, I've studied a lot and have followed, you know, just have done so much research. And it's really been, you know, I came about it just because of my, you know, doing my own work and being trying to figure out how to be my own healer. And, you know, I've had a lot of trauma in my life. And I'm a Purina FIDE child, so my nervous system is just, you know, I didn't really have any, you know, my environment was very dysregulated. So I didn't have anything to regulate my nervous system. So I'm naturally you know, prone to more nervousness and anxiety and I've had some auto immune conditions and some mental health challenges and really, and then this being part of my path, I was just trying to figure myself out and then just so passionate about, you know, food and herbs and nutrition and energy medicine that you know, I've I've made the My my work to help and to help support other people. So just very hungry for knowledge and information and tinkering and I've learned a lot with with nutrition and have been able to to support myself and, and heal heal most of that I still have things come up that are that require my attention.

So I think thank you for that that was really interesting because I think it's so often through our own journeys of healing that we get to these areas of and the solutions that are then helpful for other people. And I think as the saying goes, we're really sort of in the coaching health industry, you do have to be just only a couple of steps ahead of the person, you're helping, of course, yeah, you can be further ahead. But having recently gone through those things, you do have a very tangible way to help your clients move past and through trauma using some of the tools that you've experimented with, for yourself. And yeah, I think food nutrition is a really, really key one, if you're growing up on like Twinkies and potato chips, then you're not getting the nutritional, even close to the nutritional content that you need to have a healthy operating brain let alone nervous system. So, yeah, it's fascinating. So and of course, our society likes to worship of food or a solution, singularly, right. It's like, Oh, you know, I have my assignable. I'm like, that's great.

What are you doing the rest of the time? Or that mean? What's that mean? Like, you can drink all the smoothies and eat all the kale you want. But if you're not doing the other work, it doesn't matter. Quickly.

That's exactly right. And, you know, there's so much and that, and I could talk all day about food. And, you know, when we've got when that when we're in the container of trauma, you know, there, there's the it's so tricky. And it requires a lot of of, you know, for me, it requires a lot of like, really going really, really slow to write. So it's like, hey, whenever you, you, it's very important to understand that, you know, you can't go You can't say, Oh, well, you know, I'm going to go on a juice, I'm going to go from eating potato chips to go on a juice cleanse now, and that's going to help me heal. And but the important thing to understand too, is that, you know, when people have experienced and lived with trauma for a long period of time, when the healing process starts and that expansion starts to happen, that can also feel traumatizing, and like new energy can come in, and that can be activating. And that's often I mean, that's also why, you know, people do those things, and then they revert back to the old way. And it's the same with everything. Whenever you start a healing process, you confuse like we kind of things get criss crossed, and the trauma feels like the safety and the healing feels unsafe. Yeah. And it's like, oh, I'm starting to heal, and I'm starting to feel this expansion, and it feels really scary and uncomfortable. And I don't have that, you know, I haven't been able to develop those embodiment practices yet to feel safe in my body, that I'm just going to go back to eating the potato chips, I'm going to go back to the old way of doing things because that's what I'm used to and not feel safe.

Yeah. And that's it, I think, important point, even as you know, to bring up for people who are on their own healing journey, right? Because I see that with my own clients often, you know, and I often use the analogy of sort of, like, you've got a bandwidth and we're now stretching your bandwidth a little bit, but when you hit that Max and you're stretching that bandwidth, yeah, your saboteur is going to come in and go whoa, this is not the comfort zone. Let's get out of here. And so and it can be really sneaky, right? Like that's the whole sabotage spiral to it's it's so sneaky how it creeps in. So it isn't, I mean, it's definitely an in my experience, too. It's not a linear path. No, it's and I think that's an important piece that I think sometimes I know, for me too, it's like that frustration of like what I'm back here again, but it's the next layer or the next piece of doing that and not Not giving up or not then going, Oh, this doesn't work.

Yeah. Or the alternative to that would be, or another facet of that would be, oh, it's my fault is not working. I'm broken. This doesn't work for me because either I'm broken, or I'm special on I just haven't found the right thing yet, which I might The special thing. Yes. Like, honestly, we are a special all special and unique individual. So you do have to find that thing. And there is no one thing to fix you all solution, but there are the combinations of factors. And I think that, you know, we're all here having this conversation, knowing that, like we said, You can't just have the kale smoothie and expect it to magically fix all of the things that you want it to fix. It's physical, its mental, it's emotional, it's spiritual, you need all of those pieces, support it supported and in alignment for the outcome you're searching for, to come into play. Yeah,

it's building up that toolkit and having that understanding. And it's also, you know, having an understanding that no one else is going to fix you, right? Like, we go in sometimes often wanting to hand over our healing to just like, Hey, you know, like, we're taking our car into the shop, like, hey, pal, give me that, here's my vehicle, fix me. And then that's really not how it works. It's, you know, it is a, it's a, it's the year you're doing the work as an individual person, and you have people who can hold space for you and you know, help you to, you know, feel calm and safe and have that safe, sacred container, and provide new language and new information. Even just saying the thing of like, you know, when you go into something, anytime you're going to, you know, experience any healing, or, you know, expansion and the body to have that awareness that, okay, those were that, you know, feels really uncomfortable to feel in your body in your body right now, you know, even when you start healing, and you're like, Oh, I'm getting in my body. And it's really freakin intense and scary. You know, I haven't been here in a while. And Oh, nevermind, I'm gonna just check back out again, you know, but as soon as you start to even just have that information, you're like, Oh, you know what, I heard about this. And now I can choose differently. And I can start to, you know, reach for some tools that are going to help me feel calm and safe, or at least understand this process. So that I don't have to continue repeating those same cycles. And that's where, you know, helping people move forward on their path, right? Like, oh, you know, I just keep getting stuck in this cycle, I keep repeating the same relationships, I can't get out of my job. You know, a health journey, any of those kinds of things. It's like, that's where we can break those patterns.

Yeah, definitely spy piece you. You touched on what Jen touched on the very beginning, when I so rudely interrupted her around this idea that Jen and I have been exploring around radical responsibility, and, you know, taking ownership. And so you know, you just talked about that about the fact that Yeah, nobody can do our own healing for us. What has been your experience, in terms of that peace of recognizing, I know, for me, I had my own moment of kind of realizing that no one's coming to save me. Know, with I had some health stuff and some emotional and mental stuff going on. And I finally just had this moment of like, I can sit here and choose to play the victim and spend the rest of my life suffering or I can start to take responsibility for this. And that doesn't mean that I'm accepting that it's all my fault. But it's my responsibility, like I'm the only one that's able to change it. So I'm curious how that lands for you and how that's benefit. You know, if that's the thread that you've sort of seen through your own journey or with clients journeys, yeah.

Yeah. Bose Bose. I, you know, it's I think, from I've seen it in my own journey with the, you know, having a health diagnosis, I was given a diagnosis of lupus and 2014, which later turned out to be a misdiagnosis. And I had I ended a risk in the medical system and was given. And I just want to say to that, you know, I, I honor and respect the medical system. And, and, and there's amazing doctors out there and amazing people out there doing wonderful things. But, you know, there is there is medical trauma that happens as well. And I experienced a medical trauma where I was just given a bunch of, you know, over prescribed for mental health conditions and just not feeling seen and supported in the medical system. And I just completely removed myself from that and said, you know, what, nobody's gonna, I'm gonna figure this out myself and had to, you know, completely, just, I just started diving into researching everything and looking into functional medicine and looking at to, you know, I left my corporate job and went to a yoga teacher training, and were like, Dude, this completes familiar, right. And that was the path, you know, and that's how that and that's where that, like, you know, the, that divine guidance came in of like, you're your own healer, and no one is gonna fix you, no one is coming to save you, which was very freeing. For me, it's frustrating sometimes, you know, empowering

when it's an actually own that and claim it.

Right. And that's where that I mean, there's so much freedom. And that to that is like, you know, we don't we need people and we need relationships, and we need connection. But we have, you know, so much intelligence inside of us that, and, and, you know, we have our own energetic blueprint. And, you know, if you're a spiritual person, your own connection to source and that information and that guidance system that speaks directly to you. And, you know, those are the things that, you know, and that's what I teach is just really helping people to tap into that and to really trust themselves and say, you know, I'm safe to trust myself. And I'm safe to know that I know that I have it within me to find my way.

Yeah, I think a lot of people aren't encouraged in that. Because we are taught from a young age, although I think that's changing, like we're all, you know, in this generation, where we were taught to hand over our power or hand over our authority to other structures in organizations like the medical system, or, you know, a financial system or and these, these structures, as we've talked about in previous episodes are breaking down, out of necessity, because we need to recognize that we have the internal guidance system, like you said, We're already built in, that we can harness to move forward in a really empowering way. But you need guides to help you tune into that internal guidance system.

We're not meant to do it alone. No, but that doesn't mean that we abdicate the responsibility Exactly. For the thing.

And we know, I talked about this with with friends and fellow coaches too. And it's like, you know, whenever you're doing this and developing your, your toolkit, it's, it's so important to have that support system though, too. And it's like, you know, you need, like, for me, it's like, I have a therapist, I have a coach, I have a functional medicine practitioner, I have a, you know, I go to yoga, and I go to Reiki and like I'm doing I do all of the things because, you know, I didn't grow up with a support system. And so it's like, I've built my own support system. And then, you know, there's times where it's like, I need all of these things, because I need other people to help support me. But, you know, at the end of the day, I know that I have, you know, I'm my healer and I have to do the work and I don't go in just handing myself over to people. And, you know, I had to learn that too. And it's like, it's really hard to do our own work, but it's so worth it. You know, and getting back in the body when you first start doing those embodiment practices and stuff. It's really freakin hard. It's the hardest thing ever to it's so uncomfortable. But it's worth it.

Yeah.

That that actually leads me to a question I'd written down as you were talking earlier. Just if you would be open to sharing like What has your healing journey in healing your trauma and stepping into this opened up for you? Like, what are the possibilities? You know, for somebody who's maybe just starting out?

Gosh, well, I was able to, I mean, I feel like I've broken so many cycles. So many cycles, you know, it just releasing Yeah, and you know, it just, every day, I just keep, you know, one foot in front of the other, but I was able to, you know, it just, it frees up so much space to, like, I was writing and journaling the other day, and it's like, you can do whatever you want, like, whatever the heck you want. The world is your oyster and like to be able to show up and, you know, stand in the space and take up space. And, you know, whatever area that you want to do, it's like, you know, I felt like I had to work this corporate job and finance, finance and insurance. So it was so out of alignment with me. And you know, I did very well in that industry. But it you know, my nervous system, I'm going to reference Gabor Ma Tei a lot. But his wife was saying in the, in the wisdom of trauma movie, she said, my nervous system is so wired, that if I'm not authentic to myself, I get sick. And I was, that is me, like, if I did, so, having that freedom of expression, and just fully being able to express myself is so freeing. And then that opens up to more connection and better relationships and, you know, attracting the right people into my experience, and, you know, having those soulmate friends and connections and the, the, you know, the job and the work that you know, resonates with your soul. And, you know, being able to live where you want to live and do whatever you want to do. Love it.

so powerful. Do you have another question? Jane?

I'm drifting Weston. Thank you. Do

you do the master asking great questions.

I was more. One of them. I sort of last questions is just what would be a couple of your favorite tips or takeaways for people, you know, maybe on this journey or looking to start the journey?

That's a good question. You know, I for people who are on the journey or, you know, looking to get more information about how to a understand trauma and then be how to heal. You know, look up, you know, somatic work is super important. And there's, you know, you can look for somatic therapists in your area. Dr. Peter Lowe, Vine does the somatic experiencing trauma healing, and so there's a lot of information. I think there's a directory on the website, I think it's trauma healing.org.

We'll add that to the show notes. So anything that you referenced, we'll put that we'll put into the show notes for people to

hear the book right waking Waking the tiger.

That's by Gabor ma che the waking the tiger. The or Is that right? No, it is no, sorry. You're right. You're right. Sorry, I was reading Gabor Marty's book and they referenced that. Another book, a great book. It by Bessel Vander kolk is called the body keeps the score. That's a really great resource for learning, you know, starting to learn about trauma. But definitely, I say find a somatic therapist is somatic work is super important. Yoga is really great if you can, you know, just getting those embodiment practices. You know, finding a really great, you know, starting to understand, I highly recommend nutrition, you know, looking to understand how to leverage nutrition to support your nervous system.

Yeah, I would love to do another episode. with Laura on that. Maybe that Yeah, that's a follow up we could do on definitely the nerves to support the nervous system.

Oh, well, I love that idea. Do that. without food. Yeah, that I'm in I'm totally in because a lot of people will be like, you mean I have like I think I can hear our listeners brains going. I have to give up too. I quit, I have to give up coffee I you know, it's not about what you give up is what you invite into that it's the food and the energetics of that food and nutrition that you invite into your experience. Yeah, so like, okay, stay tuned, more of that coming. We'll get into that. Yeah. Those are all great tips and resources. In theory, there's another resources that you have not yet mentioned in that I know of, but I'm gonna ask you about is that you have an upcoming trauma informed course. So tell us a little bit more about that place?

Yeah, I do. I am teaching a four week course on how to heal from stress and trauma naturally. And that starts on September 9. And I'll be including to yoga practices. And then I'll talk a bit about nutrition in that class and just providing, you know, more information about education around trauma, you know, things that we talked about today, but we'll go at a deeper level on that. And then I'll be holding space in a sacred container for that for four weeks for people. That's great.

We'll link to information about that as well. We'll include that in the show notes, too. Because I think I'm sure if the last 1415 months have been any indication. I think it's really good. I it's a really good idea to step into this informative work for yourself and recognize where you may be unconsciously holding on to trauma that you're saying the last 15 months have been fine, then

I build on that this morning. Right? I did, I was doing a healing session. And some stuff came up for me and I was like, oh, okay, yeah, I've been like holding on to this and harboring this, like a few things on the last year and a half that I kind of was not paying attention to and was like, No, No, I'm fine. Getting through this. Okay. And it kind of good morning. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, I really like that sound. So even those of us like, even the people, like we're in this space, right, like, we do this work. And we all have blind spots. But you know, starting and, and for me, it was around something that was totally like, out here, like left field. And I was like, what, wait a minute that's connected. And as we kind of like went further and tracked into it, I was like, Oh, yeah, it totally is. So yeah, it's definitely, you know, I think like Jen said, the last 18 months have been hard. And it's okay, I think it's okay for us to actually admit that to start to look at it and own it, and heal it. Yeah. You don't have to carry that around for the rest of our lives.

Yeah, it's true. And it's, it's, you know, there's a lot where we that adrenaline response kicks in. And when we've been running on adrenaline for so long, then when things settle down, and especially, it's important to know, for healers to in space, it's like we kind of go in and we're like, we rise up, but oftentimes, we are running on adrenaline, and those times too. And so then that can be clouded, like, because it's like, oh, well, you know, I'm fine. I'm completely fine. But no, I'm just running on adrenaline right now. And all the all the extra adrenaline is in the body. And what you know, when we talk about nutrition, I talk about that too, because that those hormones of stress hormones don't break down. They just continue to recycle through the body. And so then you're just creating, you know, stress hormones on top of stress hormones, unless you're getting enough soluble fiber in your diet to actually pull this out of your system.

Wow. Oh, I

can't wait to do an episode. Yeah, me too. Me too.

I'm so excited. Cool. Again, any other questions?

No, I think I covered a lot.

I think we've covered a lot this. And actually, I did want to say one final thing about the episode title being called owning your trauma. I realized that for some people, they might take that as maybe somebody's saying, oh, you're not owning your trauma, and that they might feel almost like bullied or anxious about attacked. Thank you about that phrase. And as you hopefully as the listener heard from the conversation, it's not so much about we're pointing our fingers at you saying you need to own your trauma. It's more about recognizing that it's always a process and that as we honor Fold through this lifetime. And through this process and through these experiences, there are opportunities for you to step in and take more responsibility than you have in the past. For your experience and the way you reacted to your experience. So the owning your trauma pieces, yes, it's about, it's more about the empowerment of that phrase, rather than the attacking, attacking sense of that phrase. I really wanted a distinction.

Yeah, that's a good point, I think and, and the idea that it is, it's where healing in our power lies. Yeah. Right, more so than Yeah, like you say, you got to own this, you got to own that and feeling that like, well, now I'm abdicating somebody else's responsibility, or I'm taking full responsibility, especially if it's, it is some sort of event that, you know, involved other people with traumatic, it's a very, you know, I think, yeah, it can be tricky. So, really, it you know, Jen and I are all about the power that we and the, like, the personal power that this type of work brings.

Right. And having that having that understanding, and that acknowledgement, and, you know, being able to, to, you know, take ownership of that it provides so much more freedom and expansion, it's like, oh, well, you know, it's important to honor all aspects of ourselves. And that includes our trauma. And, you know, if we can bring more awareness to this, and everybody having, you know, bringing it to the light, then, you know, then we can also remove the stigma and the shame around it completely.

Like, stay tuned for the conversation on nutrition, which will be forthcoming. Now, let you know when it's exciting. Is there any final words of wisdom or a favorite quote, or little piece of guidance that you'd like to share with our listeners before we sign off?

Oh, goodness, final words of wisdom or quote. You know, I really love the healers, prayer from A Course in Miracles. So maybe we close with that. I would love that. Let's do though it is me see if I can remember. So the first part of it is the, the where would you have me go? What would you have me do? What would you have me say and to whom? And then the next aspect of that is I'm here to only be truly helpful. I do not have to worry about what to say or what to do. Because love who sent me will direct me and I will be healed as I let love teach me to heal.

That is beautiful. And on that beautiful shining note, we will bid Laura a beautiful rest of her day. Thank you so much for being our guest. We look forward to having you back again. Thank you so much, ladies. Thanks again. All the social links will be posted in the show notes and have an amazing, amazing rest of your day everybody. Thanks for joining us for these conscious combos. If you're ready to dive deeper head on over to we are Jen and jane.com to continue the conversation.