Standing Out and Finding Your Voice – with Trish Springsteen | RR274

Trish, Hello everyone, and welcome to this

week's episode of relationships rule. I'm very excited to have

this my guest today all the way from Australia. Her name is

Trish, Springsteen, and first of all, welcome to the show. Trish,

thank you. Janice, delighted to be here.

Well, it's

my pleasure, and we've had a couple of false

starts on this before we finally actually made it to to record

today. So I'm thrilled to have you here. Trish is a

professional speaker and author of many articles and books on

the importance of effective communication for business, and

is a recognized expert in the field of speaking and

communication training. I know from just reading all about her

that she she is an expert in mentoring introverts, which I

find interesting, and she is an international best selling

author. We have shared authorship in a compilation book

of 262 amazing women, and we're both in it, so I that's how we

met, which is really cool and helps empower others to have the

confidence and self belief to make speaking easy. She says,

Get known, be seen. And she is the get known, be seen

specialist, and she has this wonderful purple hair, and

purple is her favorite color. And I think it's because she is

sending this message that she wants you to be the unicorn in

your business, as she seems to as she is in hers. So talk to me

about that first Trish, how did that come about? The purple

hair, the unicorn? I love it.

Oh, we got 40 years or more. I'll consolidate

it. Well, I've always liked purple.

You're my granddaughter. You'd be best of

friends. Yeah,

it's just I can go into a shop or go

somewhere, and I'll reach out, and the first thing I pick up is

something purple, okay? And I've always loved it. However, when I

first left high school, which I say way back in the Jurassic

period, yes, which is a long time ago, people, I was very shy

and an introvert, but very shy. So the concept of standing out

really would have been no not for me. I only had a small group

of friends, and they were, they've been lifelong friends.

I've known them since I left high school, since primary

school, actually, which

is special. That's really special five of

us who support each other, and we've

just been there. So I did okay in business. I did different

businesses, but mostly from behind the scenes. They're very

good, good businesses. But I never believed in myself, never

thought I had a message, never thought I'd be speaking, never

thought I'd be doing what I'm doing with you now. And why my

love of purple was there. It was my private you know, I'd wear

purple. I didn't have purple hair, okay, the aha moment was

when I came to a point where I started to believe in myself. I

believed in who I was. I knew I had a message. I felt really

comfortable in being who I wanted to be. Now, along with my

love of purple, is my collection of unicorns. Ah, people say to

me, why do I collect unicorns? Why do I love unicorns? I mean,

I love all fantasy creatures, dragons, fairies, but unicorns

have a special place for me. Why? Because they are unique.

They stand out. They're special, they're magical. You don't see

them around very often, unless you really look out the corner

of your eye, you might catch a glimpse of one. So they're very

unique. And when I was starting my business, and I got my

business going, and I started to be a lot more comfortable, this

is why I say completely and honestly, I know how empowering

it is when you believe in yourself, because it gives you a

rock solid foundation. So about that time, I felt so comfortable

that I thought, You know what, I've always wanted to have my

hair purple. I always did. I love purple. I'm comfortable

with myself now. So all those people who have sort of said,

can I tell you? I thought I might like to do it. And I

thought, oh, no, you can't do that. Right? What would people

say, yeah? What would people say, Yeah, you can't do that.

And I thought, when I believed myself, I came to that

conclusion that if I wanted to do my hair purple, that was

absolutely up to me. And I was very comfortable with it didn't

worry me. I thought, This is me. If people don't like it, if

people can't handle it, that's their issue. It's not my issue.

So I went purple, and I have been for a while now. Along with

that, there's a side benefit of having purple hair. Janice, yes.

I'd benefit an especially the secret for introverts, and I'm

telling you, don't have to go and get your hair colored

purple, people, but this is a side benefit of finding your

uniqueness, being the unicorn and standing out. I just came

back from a recent trip, and I can guarantee you, everywhere I

went, people would look at me and they'd smile and they say,

Gee, I love your hair. Oh, I love the coordination. You're

awesome. Do you know what that is? For an introvert, that's a

great opening for conversation, because I don't have to start

the conversation smile. I can say thank you, and if I wanted

the conversation can continue. Or if they're just passing in

the street, which I can guarantee I can go out and at

least three people will say something to me and smile and

I'm smart. They say, smiling. So I'm giving joy to the world. I'm

giving gratitude. I am getting known and being seen in my own

subtle, perceptive way. People say, Wow, you do like purple. I

say, how perceptive of you about it breaks the conversation and

body laughs. So that's sort of how I got to that. And about,

oh, 12 months ago, I was, you know, I've been business since

2006 My business is more from a business partner where we did a

lot of corporate work morphed into mentoring and morphed into,

you know, amicable parting and where I am now. And I launched,

I was doing a business plan course to get brushing up my

skills and writing a business plan and that. And when part of

that was pitching to a group of people, and I thought, here's an

opportunity. I've got a group of organizations, companies,

different sorts of companies, but corporate type. Let me see I

can run my unicorn idea by them and see, because I've been told

along the way speaking bureaus that I was in, oh, we can't get

speaking jobs for you because you're too colorful. Your hair

is purple. You don't wear skirts and dresses when you speak, you

don't wear high heels when you speak, so no one's going to book

you, and noone wants to book you. And I said, Well, those

companies, if they if they're not booking me because of that

reason, then they're the ones I really need to speak to, because

they're not looking outside the square. And I was told to change

and I said, Excuse me. I talk about authenticity. I talk about

being genuine, about owning your uniqueness, and you want me to

change who I am. I said goodbye to those companies. So I along

that line, thought, Okay, I'm going to pitch this to some

companies, just to see if I'm really way out and not

connecting with anybody. So I launched my purple unicorn

Academy, purple unicorn Marketing Academy, um, taking

the marketing out, so I could be a little bit more general now,

but purple unicorn Academy, and I pitched it to them in a two

minute pitch, about like you would to a business and that.

And I loved it. And I said to them at the end, I said, Well,

how did the purple unicorn go? And they said, We love it

because it's unique. And I you know, I said, Do you think other

companies would like that? Yeah, companies that are looking to be

able to be seen, to be able to stand out from other people,

whether it's a small business, a one person business, or a large

organization, they're looking for something really unique.

They're looking for people who will encourage people to stand

out and to be unique, but still talk about the company. So

that's where I was. So there are so many things in there that I

can unpack for your your people who are listening to your

podcast, and that because it's owning who you are, it's having

that courage to stand up. It's being unique and owning

uniqueness and being the unicorn. Because, let's face it,

there's so many speaker coaches out there, which is what I

predominantly started with. There's so many coaches and

mentors and life coaches and accountants and lawyers, and you

name it. There's everybody trying to find their little

page, yeah. And unless you have that courage to say, Here I am,

you're only going to get a small piece of that pie. Well, and

it speaks to, you know, people saying you're

supposed to, well, there's different schools of thought,

but some saying you that you know what came to me when you

were talking there was a couple of things. One was there's

enough out there for all of us. And the second is that if you

are true to who you are and know who you want to serve, they will

come in the sense that, you know, when you're very clear on

on, you know, being who you are, being true to who you are, and

being that unicorn, and the people that that will come to

you are the right people,

absolutely, yeah, I

think I love that. I'm I think that. Now do

you I have to ask you, though, I have to go back to the story

from the beginning, where I want to know, was there one specific

aha moment or something that triggered you to say, Hey, I

like who I am. I am going to, you know, do what I want to do

and be who I want to be. Was there one particular experience

or,

um, I would share with probably share of you

two, because there's a there's a pivotal moment my life, which

changed a lot of my thinking. And then a few years after that,

there was another pivotal moment, which I guess cemented

my journey up to that point. Now the pivotal moment, and this is

a trigger warning for people who are listening watching. In 2007

we lost our son, Craig, to suicide. Now that's that's a

big, big life, big life changing moment, absolutely, and it could

have been an ending of my marriage, and coming up in

November, or at the moment, my husband, I've been married for

47 years. So we looked at each other after that, at that

moment, the next day, and we basically said to each other,

this could break or it could cement. And we agreed that we

didn't want to break it was, you know, we were breaking enough in

a whole lot of other areas. We wanted each other, so we agreed

that we would, we would talk about, we would communicate. But

we also agreed that we would live each day, when I say each

day for my son, not so much his life, but each day to celebrate

the world. And I wake up each day saying, how awesome is this

day? Because I know from personal experience, you can

wake up in the morning like we did on that day, and by the time

we went to bed that night, our whole family, our friends, the

ripple effect was enormous. Changed, and I can't undo that

moment, but I can remember him, and I can live my life to the

fullest. And he was one of the pivotal people who introduced me

to my hairdresser who I still have my hair purple, because he

was one of the people who said, Mom, if you want to go do your

hair purple, go see this guy that I go to, and he'll do it

for you. He's really good. So that was a pivotal part where I

thought, you know, I know that time is flitting, so why am I

hiding what I want to do? Why am I letting being afraid of other

people's words stop me from being what I want, because I

know time is fleeting. Now I know that it can change just

like that. We fast forward to about five years ago, six, six

years ago, and I was nominated for a Business Award, and the

nomination was for inspirational Women's Award, and I looked at

the nomination, and my very first thought was, I'm not

inspirational. What is she thinking about? This person who

nominated? What are they thinking about? I'm not

inspirational. For me, inspirational was people had

gone through domestic violence, gone through tragedy, climbed

mountains, lost their money, got it all back again, all of these

for people that were inspirational, all from my

perspective, was I help people and mentor people to be able to

have the confidence to speak, to stand up, to write their books.

That's what I do. That's not inspirational. So I marked that

nomination and I wasn't going to go any further with it until,

oh, and people, this is not what you do. It was about two hours

before the deadline, and I'm sitting there looking at this

nomination. I thought to myself, I had this aha moment. I went

bang across the face of my hand. I thought, You know what Trish,

you teach people, you mentor people, you help people to stand

up and be themselves. You tell them to reach out for

opportunities. What the blazes are you doing? Girl, you're

sitting here negating someone's thoughts. And I thought, How

dare I have the temerity to negate someone who took that

opportunity and obviously thought that I was worthy of

that nomination. How dare I ignore what Yes, absolutely. So

two hours to go, I put my nomination in. Please, people,

if you go for an award, do not leave it to two hours. You do

not want to do that, and it's not where I tell you to do what

I do, but do what I say. Do it a long time before then. So I did,

and then I just ignored it all because I thought I have

acknowledged, yeah, what that person has done for me. And I

thought that was important, because I was being extremely

arrogant to ignore that, so I acknowledge that and and out of

that, I learnt to accept of gratitude, to understand that

what I see is not always what other people see. So I wasn't

even going to go to the awards. Now, I thought I'd done it

because honest to people, I did not believe that I was

inspirational, even though I had put the nomination Interesting,

yeah, and then I had some friends who dragged me along.

You gotta go. You gotta go get a dress. Come along. So I thought

I would. Long story short, I won. I won that inspirational

woman's award, and my friend said the look on my face was

complete and utter shock. I honestly did not think I was

inspirational. I did not think that I would be getting it. So

what that taught me, which cemented that believing in

myself and the power that what everything I've been doing, the

testimonials that I've received, the credibility from another

award, which was about I'd won an award for mentor, a worldwide

award for mentor of the year. All of those came to my aha

moment in that you do not see others. You know we do not see

ourselves as others. See us absolutely yeah. And if people

say, Thank you, if people say, Wow, you changed my life, if

people say, you inspired me, or something that you said has

helped me to stand up and share what I believe in, the automatic

reaction that we as women have where we say, Oh, that was

nothing. Well, it is where I stop now and I say, Thank you. A

simple thank you. I have learned to accept gratitude and

understand that the impact I have I don't always see.

You know, that's huge, because I always remember

my mother, God, rest her soul. She was always if somebody, she

was always sending thank you notes or doing little good

things for lots of people. But if somebody gave her something,

whether it was a thank you note or took her out or did whatever

she she would always have to, like, do the thank you back like

she didn't know how to say thank you. Just say thank you and

accept it. She had to do it for them as well. And and I remember

later in her life saying my sister and I, you know, saying

Mom, just say thank you. Just say thank you. It's okay, you

know, you just let it sink in. You don't have to do, you know,

and, and it comes from, probably, upbringing. It comes

from, you know, not in her case, you know, getting getting

married at 19, and never finishing school, and all of

that stuff where she was, you know, in that, yeah, and then

talking in the head. But anyway, it's just really interesting. So

you talk about, I know one of the things you talk about is

mastering the art of conversation, and that interests

me, because, again, from your interest, introvert perspective,

because with the work that I do, and the work I'm referring to is

the work I do on teaching people how to leverage LinkedIn to

generate leads and to grow their businesses. Well, in order to be

able to do that, you have to be able to have a conversation with

people. And I'm often really taken aback by how many people

when I'm teaching this kind of method that I do around it,

they'll go, Well, what should I say in the message, like, like,

they have no idea. And to me, that's just comes naturally

because I'm curious and because I I'm maybe because I'm

outgoing, I don't know, but what's your take on that? And

what do you advise people to to master that art of conversation

as an introvert, making that first

step to have a conversation is a very hard thing for many of us

mentioned that. So yes, I hear that. Yes, it is

very hard. It's an introvert can be I mean,

they're labels, and I really don't like labels, but we deal

with what we have to do. An introvert doesn't isn't always

shy, right? Introvert means shy. They're two different things. I

was a shy introvert. I'm not so much shy now, but I'm still an

introvert, and an introvert, from my perspective, is just on

an energy basis, right? We prefer to be by ourselves to get

energy, large crowds, large lots of people. Having to step

outside of our little shell is takes a lot of energy. Yeah, and

it works. I don't want to get that energy so they're quite

comfortable staying where they are, which is fine. Uh, except

if you've got a business, if you've got a message, if you

want to get along in life, and basically any of those. So I'm

sorry you're introverts. You really can't stay there. You've

got to get that courage up to step outside that comfort zone.

And it just means knowing that I can step outside my comfort

zone, I can start a conversation, I can go to a

meeting, but if I get overwhelmed, I can easily step

back and take some minutes outside, get my energy back and

continue, which is why I talk about being an introvert

speaker, and how I've got to where I am now and why I can do

these things. Yes, people, I do have problems starting a

conversation even now, and I'm talking, you know, 14 years, 15

years, after a lot of things that I've done, I can sit

outside a new I had to go to a new network meeting not too long

ago. Never, didn't know person there, really, other than

someone I spoke to online. And I sat in the car for about five

minutes thinking, I think I feel well, I could go home. I could

think of all the excuses on the world not to walk through that

door, except for one, and that one is important, because I know

that I talk about giving your brand a voice. I know that it's

so easy to stand behind your labels, your in your logos, your

the website, all of that, and it's you that people want to

know. So I took a deep breath and I walked in now,

conversations. Well, my purple hair helps me a lot with that,

and I'm not telling you to go and get your hair purple, but

what I'm saying is that questions are great. I use

questions. I start with a question, and the easiest one

is, oh, what do you do? I mean that that's an easy one, except

a lot of people don't know how to answer that, and it can close

the conversation down because three words and you've got no

idea where to go with that then I know. I mean, I've started

with that question and thought, freaking Hell, where am I going

now? Because I didn't actually tell me anything, and there were

probably introverts who didn't know how to answer. So it's,

it's being like, let me just go back to LinkedIn, starting a

conversation on LinkedIn. One of the things I sort of say is, how

can I assist you? Thank you for reaching out. Thank you for

connecting. How can I assist you up to a conversation?

So let's stop there for a second. Because

whether so for me, if I'm teaching someone how to start

that conversation on LinkedIn, I think that's easier than

starting the conversation in person at the networking event

where you don't know anybody because you've got all of their

stuff in front of you. Yeah, right. So if you do your

homework and you look for a point of commonality, whether

it's the weather, where they live, whether it's a school they

went to, it doesn't matter. It's just something that can start

the rapport building. To me, that seems logical, but

probably, when you're an introvert, there's so many

anxiety things that come into play that you might not make

it's not so easy, I suppose. Well, part

of the introvert, it's not so much the

anxiety, that's the confidence level confidence is which kicks

off the anxiety to for certain extent, an introvert is quite

comfortable where they are, so getting the confidence to step

outside of where they are is what the next step is, and

that's about Understanding that you have to stand up in your

business. If you're on LinkedIn, we'll deal with LinkedIn. If

you're on LinkedIn, you're there because it's business to

business. Yep, you're there because you've got a business,

you've got a book, you've got a message, you've got something

that you want to connect with people, right? Otherwise, why

are you there? You

want business. That's, yeah, you want business.

That's really the bottom line, right? But you don't always know

how to go about it the right way. That's all

and and I can relate with them. I know that I

had to teach myself. I thought, you know, just put everything up

so it'll come to me.

Yeah, no. So going into that face to face

networking event, let's just talk about that again in the

sense that, okay, you don't know what you're going to say to

people and and if you have to start the conversation, and I

love that you said that you think of a question. But the

question that I like to ask, if that's what I'm going to start

with, if I'm going to start the conversation, there is, you

know, what brought you here? You know, because then that's a

little less challenging for them. And did you know anybody

here? You know, like I came, I don't know anybody, but I'm so

glad to meet you. But you know, so on, and then ease into you

know, so you know, what do you do when you're not. Kind of

thing. But I always find it really interesting though, that

the the nervous people are the people that don't stop talking

when you answer the when you ask them the question, right?

Because really, that's not the place for the whole nine yards.

It's only for the, you know, the little bit. So it's

so relieved that someone asks them something

that they'll just dump your whole their whole life story.

And I love that. I just think that's great because, actually,

they're extroverts, because extroverts will share

everything. They're extroverts who are very nervous extroverts,

because just because you're an extrovert doesn't mean to say

you're full of confidence. No, that's true. You're an introvert

doesn't mean to say you don't have any competence, right? No,

for sure, it's just your preference as to where you want

to be and how you want to act.

It's your energy, what? Right? Okay, it's just

your energy. And

when you an introvert, your energy comes

from not being around people. You comes from being quiet and

silent and doing all the things that you like to do so you work

on on, knowing that you know where your levels are, and you

know that if you do start to get overwhelmed, you can just step

back a bit, right, and just take that deep breath. Um, extroverts

just overwhelm people because they're so excited to be where

they are, and their energy comes from all the people around them

that they can be so overwhelming that their problem is they don't

listen, they don't actually make a connection, because they're so

busy giving everybody. Let's

not generalize. Let's not generalize.

I'm not saying what you're saying. Yes,

that's that's a trap that a lot of extroverts end up in because

they need to harness that and focus and learn to listen to

people as well. It's a two way. Conversation is a two way,

exactly. So you talk about being a mentor and

being a coach as well as being a speaker and an author. Okay, you

do all of these things, amazing. Um, do you is the mentoring like

a labor of love, or is or like, how do you see that in terms of

coaching versus mentoring, versus, say, training? Because

people use them in different ways, and I know how I think of

it.

So it's a conversation that you can sit

and talk with someone for hours about what the definition of a

coach is, what the definition of a mentor is, what the definition

of a trainer is, and really it's none of this. You've got those

dictionary definitions which really don't apply, because

we're all individuals. We're all unique, and we bring our own

different life experiences to each of those little segments.

So while there's an overall concept that a coach is about

teaching people and and giving them all the things to be able

to change, and a mentor is about supporting and helping them to

take that and include it and go on, which is sort of my sort of

definition. And a trainer is someone who sits there and wants

to change palm Hall's attitude, but in a workshop, more

environment, which is Okay, interesting. My my sort of

definitions, I always, from my perspective, think I'm a blend

of a mentor and a coach, okay, because I might start coaching

someone my public speaking skills, yeah, just giving them

change, giving them information, giving them techniques and

strategies to be able to and then what often more does is

that more into mentoring. And mentoring is my passion. It's,

it's, I guess you could say it's my love, because, from my

perspective, a mentor, a mentor pushes you outside your comfort

zone. A mentor challenges you, asks the difficult questions,

holds a mirror up for you to see yourself, and then is there to

catch you if you fall, and provide a support to say that's

okay, try something different and push you up to fly again.

That's my personal concept of a mentor. So when I'm coaching,

I'm giving strategies, I'm giving techniques on a

particular skill way. And then when I'm mentoring, I'm looking

at the whole person and how their business goes, how they

react, their mindset, their thoughts, their their courage,

their belief in themselves, how they see whether they're unique,

and I'm providing that support. I don't always give answers when

I'm mentoring, right? I ask questions. Okay? I push the

questions for them to look deep to find where they're going, and

I listen when I'm training in a workshop, I'm in front of people

online or offline. And I'm again giving skills training, but I've

only got a short time with them, so I'm training to change their

something, from their what they're doing now, to there, and

making sure that within that short time I have they've got

something that's changed their thought processes or change

their skills. It's a short time. And I guess, from my

perspective, that's my precious definitions of coach, mentor and

training. Okay,

okay, that's awesome. So what are you working

on right now? I think you've got a program coming up that sounds

interesting. You told me a little bit before we went on

air.

Yes, what I'm working on now, because my two

favor my favorite sayings. I'll just share those, because it

came out of this. It's my favorite sayings. I believe in

you until you believe in yourself. Because I think people

and that comes, I guess, from mentoring and that they need

someone there to believe in them until they can take that belief

and have it internal. I also believe my other saying is, get

known, be seen, which comes with being the unicorn in your

business. You you. It's no good having your book. It's no good

having a service, a message, a business that's the best damn

thing, or a product. If people can't find you, right? If people

don't know that's who you are. So I'm help people to get known

and be seen. And along with that, is repurpose and leverage,

and my 60 seconds of insane courage, all of those together,

is about getting outside yourself and being known and

being seen. Now when I talk about getting and be seen, it

could be writing a book. It could be writing a chapter in a

book. It could be blogging. It could be doing videos. There's a

whole range of things that you can do to be an RBC, but from my

perspective and my journey, I believe wholeheartedly that

underpinning every one of those things are good speaking and

communication skills, if you can speak, and if you can do

communication and communicate well, you've got a solid

foundation to build all the rest on. And speaking is one

absolutely fantastic way of being known being seen, because

it's one that you should be addressing and enhancing your

skills in from the time that you decide that you want to Well, my

view is, from the time that you leave high school, even before

high school, before that in school, you should be learning

speaking skills. Because no matter what you do, whether you

go to a business, whether you are going to work in an

organization, you need to be spoke, be able to speak, to

share who you are, to sell yourself, interview. That's what

you're doing. Right in a business, you need to showcase

so part of that in a business is what we call putting together a

keynote speech. Now it's probably a word that's got

different meanings different people. If you're going to be

speaking in a big conference, a keynote is usually the one that

opens or closes, right? I think it's a big motivational type

speech in in the perspective of your business. My sort of thing

saying a keynote is your your fallback speech that you can

pull out and say, This is what I do, or this is how I inspire

people, or sharing something that is about you and about your

business that you can pull out and share whether you're going

to be speaking anywhere. You can say, that's my, well, I guess my

keynote, that's my, my my showcase speech, that's that's

what I fall back on if I need to do anything. So what I wanted to

do was to bring all of those together. So I've got a I

launched a speaker package this year. It's called a speaker

package, and what it does I spend three sessions with you

online, helping you to craft that signature speech, that

keynote speech, your signature speech, helping you to craft

that then what part of the package is that, then we turn

that signature speech into a chapter into my next volume of

get none be seen compilation. Nice. So now you've hit two

parts. You've now got a signature speech that you can

comfortably get up and share whatever time you want. You can

expand or contract that, right? You now become an author, which

means you're now being seen in a different medium. Yeah, I also

then offer you a interview in my magazine. See now you're being

seen again in a different medium, and an interview on my

get none be seen web TV. You've now got about four different

ways of being known, being seen. Then that's that basic package.

If you want to pay an upgrade, a little bit extra in the end of

this year for those who are in around my area, or for because

it's global, it's online or offline, there's two options for

those online, who are watching, who'd like to join. I will hold

a summit at the end of the year where you get to present your

signature keynote speech. It will be video. It. You now

presenting it, and we'll put it out there to you know, you can

invite the people along to that summit. You've got other people

who on that summit. You've now got another way that you've been

seen. And the video of that speech, you get to use whatever

for those who are local, we are holding it in on in a room, on

stage, and I've got a videographer doing that. So

that's my speaker package, which I put together because it, I

guess, brings together my all my favorite 60 seconds of insane

courage to step outside what you're doing. I'm believing in

you so that you can do it and get no BC, so that you get out

there and repurposing and leveraging, showing you how you

can repurpose and leverage one piece of thing into another,

your signature speech into a chapter in a book, and you're

now getting out there being seen.

Love it. And I can tell you love what you do,

so I'm sure that it will get filled and be a big success. So

I love it. That's great. Okay, before we wrap up, I want to ask

you one last question that I like to sometimes ask my guests,

and this is about my favorite word, curiosity. So I would like

to know your thoughts on whether you think curiosity is innate or

learned, and what you are most curious about these days. Love

that

you can take it both ways. I'm I'm one of

those Devil's advocates, but I think for most people, Curiosity

is innate, okay, however, I also think it's learned, because you

may have that impulse to be curious about something, but

unless you have the courage the self belief, it may not go

anywhere. So I think while we have the seeds of curiosity

inside us. Sometimes we have to have the external influence to

help us learn. It's okay to be curious. It's okay to take step

outside and take that curiosity and find out where it will take

you. And unfortunately, from my perspective, too many people let

that curiosity see die inside them, because they haven't got

that courage to go and see okay, I'd like to know more about

that. Let's go and find out. So I think it's a combination of

both, Okay,

fair enough. And what are you most curious about

these days?

What am I most curious about I'm I'm

curious about living. I'm curious about the opportunities

that come that I can reach out and be be more part of life. I'm

curious to see whether I can actually finish this book I've

been writing for the last four years. Okay, and I've managed to

go over roadblock of that. I'm curious about the people that

I'm going to meet, and where will that take me. I'm curious

about, Shall I book this trip to China next year or not? Who have

my bucket list on that Eclipse, the Terracotta Warriors and the

Great Portland casting, fantastic. So I'm just curious

to see where my life will take me. I have so much more living

to do.

It's,

it's just curiosity about what's what's out there, what's the

world love? What's

next for you? Well, that's great. Thank you.

Thank you so much for that. And one last, one last little thing,

your favorite or best piece of advice for my audience,

I guess my best piece of advice is my 60

seconds of insane coverage. It's 20 seconds to acknowledge that

there's a negative voice saying, I can't do this. Don't be

curious. I can't step up 20 seconds to say, Stop. I can do

this. Bring the positives back in. I can be curious, and I can

accept and I can explore. I can speak, I can go out, and then 20

seconds to smile and just smile and say yes to any opportunity

that comes, and live your life to the fullest. Fantastic.

I love it. And of course, it made me smile. I love

that. Thank you. Thank you for that and for for your wisdom. I

will put in the show notes how people can get hold of you. I'm

assuming it's your website. Yes. Trish springsteen.com, yep.

Okay, and anything else you might want me to put on there

and to my. Audience, as usual, thank you for being here. I

appreciate you, and remember to stay connected and be

remembered. Bye, bye.