The Enlightened Passenger – an Inspirational Conversation with Corey Poirier | RR264

Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's

episode of relationships rule. My guest this week is Cory,

Cory. And Cory and I have spoken before on my podcast and

checking back, it was just over two years ago, January episode

143, when I got to know Corey and all of his work, and, and

now I'm so happy to have him back because he has a new book

that is fascinating that we want to talk about. And first of all,

I'm going to welcome you to the show.

Well, thank you so much. So excited to be here.

Thank you. And second, to just reiterate just

briefly, the the wealth of your career from stand up comedy, to

TEDx speaker to teaching other people how to be TEDx speakers,

to being an author to being a podcast host, and being

recognized in Success Magazine, being I don't know. So

interviewing over like, 7000, of the world's top leaders. And I

think all of this is now come in combination with this new book,

right? The Enlightened passenger, as it's called, it's

not even out yet, right? It's the Enlightened passenger, the

flight that changes everything is the name of your new book,

and I congratulate you on it. Tell me a little bit about

because I read it, and I loved it. And it reminded me have some

other things. But I have quit until I have questions. But tell

me how long has that been brewing for you? And how did it

take shape?

So the brewing, I mean, it kind of both ties

together. But the word brewing, if I looked at it from

perspective of before I started actually writing it, because

that was an actual timeline. It was about a year. So from the

point where I said, I have this idea, to the point where I

started working on that idea. That was about a year. So I knew

what I'll say it this way, I knew what the ending was going

to be, before I knew anything else about the book. So it was

kind of written, Quentin Tarantino, for those that

familiar with him as a director and writer, he had this habit of

kind of writing, starting with the end of the movie, and then

working his way back. And I would say that this book was

kind of written like that. Like, again, I started with the end in

mind and work my way back. That started a year, a year before

any words started coming to life. Now, every now and then I

would think, Oh, you know what I should do? You know, I should do

this, oh, I should add this. But it was just more like in my

head, here's what I'd like to do. And my wife kept saying, are

you ever going to write that book he told me about, like, she

didn't know much about it. She just knew the ending as well, as

ever gonna write that book? And I said, Yeah, I think so. And

eventually, I finally decided that it was time and we went on

a family vacation for two weeks at a cottage by the water and I

don't swim, and her and the kids swim. So I, she said, you know,

while we're swimming, either gonna sit in the beach or you

sit in the room, it doesn't matter. But why don't you work

that book. So I wrote the first half of the book on that

vacation. And then I never touched it for another few

months. And then I tinker and put six pages together. So it

took me about another year. From the point where I started typing

until the book was I'll call it first draft complete. The one

thing that was different about this book than anything else

I've ever written, Janice is that once I hit that, that mark,

interestingly, I had a beta group. So everything about the

book I've done in kind of like a very intentional pattern. It

wasn't just like, let's write a book, put it out in the world,

and hope it does well. And it was like, let's find out if it's

a good book, or if it needs to be changed or where it's good.

So I got a beta group together, but 25 to 30. People sent them

the book. And essentially, I gave them sort of instructions.

And I said, I'm not looking for grammar, right. I will tell you,

I still got back three or four. I used to be a retired teacher

or a teacher. And that's me, I get it, I get it. Yes, I still

have to tell you these 50 things you need to change. But I made

it clear, we hadn't edited it yet. Like we had a I'll call it.

I don't even know the terms like a line edit, like not aligned at

it. But like a proof editor or whatever, where it's just like,

go through a quick and make sure you catch on the most obvious

stuff. And so we sent it out. And here's where it was kind of

interesting or fascinating to me, because it was unlike

anything else I've ever done. Most of the comments were, I

mean, there were some obviously exceptions, but most of the

comments were either I noticed a lot of grammar, but fix that and

the book is ready. Or I didn't even care about the grammar get

this book in print so I can hold up my hands. And that was

fascinating to me, because that was my first draft. And I'm used

to the idea that you should write a crappy book before you

write a good book. And then a good Book and edit it well,

before it becomes a great book, I'm not used to the idea of

sending a book out, and most people saying I wouldn't change

anything. That was really weird to me. And I'll tell you not

that it's backed by any science. But the best I can figure is, it

feels like the book was channeled through me. So feels

like maybe getting this taken care of by whoever, whatever

higher power, whatever you believe in. That said to me,

here's a gift, because it was different than any other my

writing now I wrote it, I sat there thinking of ideas. I

remember the times writing it, like, all that stuff was me. But

I feel like it was a gift that somebody kind of gave me a story

that I could make complete quite easily.

Okay, so just for my audience to understand this

book, The Enlightened passenger. To me, it's the same kind of

feeling the kind of book, like it's a parable, right? It's

like, it's like, I think of Bob Berg, the Go Giver, which was a

parable I think of. There's I can't remember St. John's, John,

I think he's got two last names. It was a book about network, the

best network marketer in the world, there was a story, but I

can't remember I've got it in like PDF version in an envelope

somewhere. And I didn't find it in time to remember but same

type of thing. And then Augmentee know who you reference

in the book. So it's a, it's a story with lessons, right for

life. And I'm guessing that and so let's go into this piece, I

want to hear about this. But I'm guessing that all of these

amazing thought leaders and thought leaders that you have

met and interviewed over the years, the Bob Proctor's of the

world, the Jack Canfield of the world, the Lisa Nichols of the

world, those amazing people. And there's a list of suggested

Celeste is reading list at the end of the book. And I'm sure

that that's including all of those amazing people that you

have interviewed, that must have brought the inspiration

somewhere. I don't know, like, Tell me about that.

Yeah, so I mean, when I mentioned like, I feel

like, it's weird, because sometimes when we say channeled,

channeled like, I'm a songwriter, as well. And when I

was 12 years of age, I wrote my first song, I didn't know this

sounds so weird to me. But there's a difference in chords

and music, power chords, and like regular country or records.

Regular country, or rock chords would be your regular chords,

people know that ABC, whatever, is like those chords. Well, they

also are played as a power chord when you play in rock music. So

it's just a different way to play them to have them feel a

different way and sound different. And I wrote the song

when I was 12, where I use power chords, but yet I hadn't learned

power chords yet. But they were all correct. Meaning like, How

can I learn something I didn't know write a song, using this

formation of chords that I still didn't know until a year later.

And so that was channeled, truly channeled, I believe, like, the

whole song came out, I was 12. And this song like we've had,

it's been on the radio, like the song was, well, like it was well

received. And yet, it was written in minutes by a guy who

shouldn't have been able to write the songs. So I feel like

that's one form of channel, this one here. I feel like it was

almost like, we're giving you the inspiration, the story, but

you still have to peek pieces together. So I just wanted to

clarify. So the reason I bring that up is because obviously, if

the entire book was channeled through me, then you wouldn't

have the stories about Lisa Nichols or Les Brown, because

those are my stories right? channel wouldn't put back in the

book. And then at the same time, the characters which I didn't

realize this until I was pretty much a year after writing

because the finished of that, as it took about another year

before it got to this stage. It's at now. And so what I

realized quite a while after I wrote it is I'm the two

characters. Well. Everybody else thought, Oh, really, I knew I

was taken from pieces of my life and making it loosely based on

my life. But I didn't clue in that I was fully both

characters. I think what it was is Treb, who is the older

character who's the guy that's been on the journey and all that

I felt that was closer to him because I'd lived the journey.

But I realized that I actually wrote the young, somewhat

slightly arrogant guy and I wasn't arrogant, but I wasn't. I

thought I knew it all. I didn't know about personal development.

I didn't realize that base them on me. Now the interesting part

of it that is his career is he basically sells devices like

photo copiers and stuff for a living. And I sold photo copiers

for a living for tenure. So like it should be all clear and

obvious. Having said that, so the book obviously even if I

said it was channeled through me, it could only be the story

because the rest of it is all taking for my wife, Shelley. My

wife is really Gina like it's literally loosely based on my

life. And to answer your question, the part of me as I

was writing it, and again, I know I was like, which came

first the chicken or the egg? I don't know, if I said, You know

what I should work in the stories from my life, or if I

created the story, and then I was like, You know what would

fit here? And I just pulled a story from my life. I'm not sure

which I don't know how much was intentional. But to answer your

kind of your question, the way the books written parts of my

life, for instance, like I interviewed Les Brown in

Atlanta, in his living room, and I asked him what synchronicity

means to him. And he said, synchronicity is God's way of

staying anonymous. Now, I think that was somebody else's quote,

but hearing it from less makes it taste cold, you know, like,

it's just the way he speaks is different. And so last said that

to me, and in the book Treb, the older character talks. Yeah. And

he talks about how he was backstage with less at an event,

and asked less about synchronicity, and lesson

synchronicity is God's way of staying anonymous. So what I'm

getting at is almost everything in the book is a fictionalized

version of what really happened.

Well, now that's really interesting, because I,

when I was reading it thought that you and this is totally

different to what you just said, I thought that you were

included. Out of nowhere, okay. That's okay, stuff happens. I

thought that this was your way of modernizing. And these

lessons that we have heard before, right, because nothing's

new. It's just, you know, it's a new audience or a new way of

saying it. But you know, we're talking about what is

synchronicity, we're talking about what is attitude of

gratitude, or we're talking about saying no, all of these

things, we hear them over time from different people, different

thought leaders in their own way. And I thought this was put

in on purpose to modernize it with these modern thought

leaders.

So here's the million dollar question, was it

but on an unconscious level? or unconscious, they say is 95%.

Right? What we do? So I'd say either way you say it, it was

done that way. But I don't know who did it. It was very

unconscious. Corey said again, I honestly am saying like, I don't

remember, it may have been me intentionally saying, This is

why I'm going to do this. But it feels like I was writing. And

then I was like, Oh, this should go here. This should go here.

But I will say it was intended for me to share the life lessons

I've learned during those interviews. That part was

intentional. It was intended that like, I've been 7500

interviews with all these thought leaders, I wanted to

share this, but share it in a way that I was maybe introducing

this modern thought leader to the world, but through the eyes

and lens of this character. Ultimately, I didn't really I

don't think realize as I was doing it, how true to life I was

bringing it, if that makes sense. So like when I do like,

oh, you know, he should have met last year instead of lessons

house. And I didn't realize, after I went with all them

together, it was like, Oh, these are all stuff that actually

happened like so. Lisa Nichols, I share in there that he in an

interview with tribes, so tribe interviewed her, so that hurts

me scared that we shouldn't feel from our cup when it's full,

which is counter to what we always hear when she says we

should build from our cup when it's overflowing into a saucer.

And the thinking there is if you continually fell for your cup,

when you're full, it means you're gonna do 100% And then

you're giving away right away. So you're never staying at 100%.

What she's saying is make sure you're full, and you're ready to

share, and then share, which is just a unique approach to what

we've always heard. And so I share that as if Lisa shared

that with tribe in the story. Well, again, Lisa shared that

with me, but I didn't put it at the same setting. I didn't put

it the same time. Tribe is obviously meant to be a little

older than me. Like there. There are some elements that have been

changed. But I think what you're saying I think there is was an

unconscious level to let's, let's share the same lessons I

learned from thinking Grow Rich, in modern way now. But the one

thing that is is factual I can say for sure is the 10 lessons

that are ultimately shared are ones I learned directly from

these thought leaders meaning Yes, thinking Grow Rich Napoleon

Hill talks, some similar ones. But these are shared from how I

learned them. So I, I learned it from Napoleon Hill, but then I

went out and learn them on my own, but doing these interviews,

and spending time with thought leaders, and so they are the 10

things that I basically decided that's how I looked at it. These

are the 10 things if you lock me in the room for 24 hours with my

two young sons, and I can only 10 lessons before I died. These

are the times ones I teach them. So like Les Brown or Les Brown,

Napoleon Hill, Think and Grow Rich doesn't put a word on

synchronicity doesn't really even use the words meaningful

coincidences, like he really doesn't talk about. He talks

about intuition, but he doesn't go into what we know now or what

we could find a synchronicity. He doesn't talk connote things

that happen you'd like, Well, how could that happen? So the

synchronicity park with me teaching is not something I took

from thinking Grow Rich. In fact, what that's from is I

worked with James Redfield, who wrote the self esteem prophecy

on a project. And James really, at the end of the day, Carl

Jung, they said, it's kind of like the one who coined

synchronicity, but James I'll say is the one that made it

famous, you know, he so 40 million books, synchronous

became a thing because of, in a lot of ways, His teachings. And

so I get to study at the feet of the person that kind of shared

it with the world. So what I'm getting at is that these are not

like a carbon copy of even thinking grow rich, but it's

that same type of vein of let's share the stories from a modern

lens. And let's also fictionalize it, so that it's a

parable. So now it's a full complete story where I can

actually have you learning without realizing you're

learning,

ya know, that that's what makes it so easy to

read. And, and I think to share with others, I think it's the

kind of book you would you and you'll love this. It's the kind

of book you would buy for someone and give it to them.

Right? I think that it really is. I think about all of these

people that you have interviewed over the years, and I do I

probably asked you this before I don't know but cuz I didn't

finish listening to our last interview, to be honest, to to

ask to see if I did ask you this before because I like to be

fresh. Okay, but how did you position yourself for example,

like, how did you get to interview Lisa Nicole, how did

you get to you know, do that project with James forgot his

last name? Like, Celeste, celestial self esteem prophecy?

What is it? Redfield?

Redfield? Yeah, I had that book, but I remember

trying to read it, and I found it difficult to read. So that

was a long time ago.

Yeah, I mean, honestly, I'll say, This is my

take on that. I think sometimes books, we're ready for them when

we're ready. And sometimes we're not. And so for me, the book you

just defined is the Power of Now, Eckhart Tolle

Vancouver. Speaking here, just next month,

I think, yeah, well, he lives here. Right. But

yeah, so for his books, I have a hard time

getting into them. I mean, I like his teachings, I believe in

His message. I've watched his talks. And but so what you said

about celsion? So what I would say is, excuse me, it might be

worth trying, again, because it's all different times, I

think, the Pulisic. To answer your question, though, there,

it's interesting. You weren't, you were the word you use there

for a minute was position. So how did you position yourself

to. And it's fascinating to me, because a lot of it in the years

recent has been positioning, a lot of that in the years, early

on for how I started interviewing some big name

thought leaders, was a mixture between strategy. And then the

other side, though, it which is the part that's not sexy, and

nobody wants to hear is investing and depositing into

the relationship before ever asking for anything. And so I

heard this great quote in the last two weeks, and I probably

shared it 12 times since it's why some people would know this

guy, some people wouldn't, but a guy named Alex or Mozi.

And he's, I've heard of them, but I don't know

about a sport. Okay,

if you're having a really big name in the

affiliate marketing space, world. So here's this quote,

that he said, the longer you delay your ask, the bigger your

ask can be. Oh, so in other words, if you stop the process,

because that, to me goes right to building

relationships.

Agreed? No, that's, that's what I that's the

intention, how I viewed it. And I think that's how he meant it.

But I'm not sure because I heard it through a person who said,

Alex just said this on his podcast. But for me, what it

means is, if I meet, let's say, I'll give real world examples,

but like when I met Mark Victor Hansen, so I met Mark, years

ago, interviewed him, and then never conversed again for like

two more years. And then I reached out, and he remembered

that I interviewed him. And then we did another interview. And by

the time we did the third or fourth interview, he said to me,

said, you know, Corey, Preston on I was during COVID. We're

launching, we just launched our book, this was on the air. He

said, Do you know of other podcasters you could connect me

with because we're just trying to get on as many shows as we

can, but we're looking for bigger shows or whatever.

Anyway, and so about within about a week, I introduced him

to 25 top 1% podcasts, and then he I think he kind of went okay

enough. Like we're flooded now. Okay. But my point of that is,

is some people would say I'll do that and never act some people

would say sure. I well in San Juan, I kind of went a little

intense and but I mean, I was I was actually saying it's a good

fit for them, but also the host I'm sending it to would love to

have a guy who sold 600 million books on who's impacted how many

lives. And so I got them on their shows. Then we were

working on a documentary, I reached out and said, Hey, if

some of your friends are in this, would you want to be in

this? I'd actually this a great lesson right here about how to

get thought leaders on your side. I didn't say some of your

friends I said, I think you know, some of the people and at

the time, they were really busy. And he said, right now we're not

able to do anything. And it was I was asking about another

interview. And I said, no worries, it was just like a

random Hey, did you want to do this? But anyway, I said, Does

that also go for the documentary? Like, I just want

to make sure I'm not pestering? And he was, oh, no, no, we want

to be in the project with our friends. And that's a key

takeaway right there with our friends, which I'll tell you in

a second how I use strategy around that. But to finish the

story, so I did the documentary thing with Mark, then I brought

him in to do an event and I paid him to do the event at this

point, even though I said, Hey, do you want to be in the

documentary? That's not really an ask. I'm saying, Hey, can I

highlight you in a project that may go to netflix and be seen by

millions of people? It's still a gift, not a gift, but you don't

I mean, it's a gift. And so finally, I asked Mark, and

there's a couple of things since then. But one of the things I

asked recently was about this book. So I said, Mark, would you

be willing to endorse the book? I didn't tell him this. This is

kind of news now. But I was trying to decide between Mark

and Richard Paul Evans around the forward, like who I wanted

to approach on the foreword, Richard ended up writing the

foreword, I think it was a good fit, because he talks about how

he wanted to meet Augmon Dino when he was younger, and he sat

across in a mall, but he wouldn't go approach him and,

and then he said, you know, he finds this book reminds him of

bog. And then if you remember, in the foreword, which I get

goosebumps saying it now somebody has had 46, New York

Times bestsellers. He said, I'm kind of jealous, because I wish

I wrote this book. Yes, he did. So I think it was meant to be

the way it's meant to be. And, interestingly, I went to his

writers retreat. And he said that in front of everybody

there, man, I wish I would have wrote this book. My wife, he

said, If he doesn't write to you, let me know. And I'll buy

the rights to finish writing it. Like if he doesn't finish it. So

having said that, I was trying to decide between Mark and

Richard. So then I went to mark a little bit later and said,

Hey, would you be up for endorsing the book, no pressure.

And he said, give me a call. So I can find out what the books

about. And what I respect is he didn't just say, Sure, I'll put

my name in a book that I have don't know anything about. So we

got on a call. And instead of him reading it, it was like a

goat. Now he's reading, but it was like me telling about the

book. And he's a big fan of Augmon Dino too, because that

sounds like my, that sounds like my good buddy. augis writing

like that his book? And he said, Yeah, so he said, turn on the

record on your phone and record this. And then he gave me a

testimonial that way. What I'm saying about that, you'll notice

Janice's that was the first interview I ever did with him as

four years earlier. Yes. My first major ask was four years

later, after six or seven interviews, after I introduced

him at that point now, it's probably been 35 or 40 Big

podcasts. And so that's the non sexy answer how you do this, it

takes time you have to invest in it. The sexier strategic answer

of what I did was my first big interview was Jack Canfield.

Marks writing partner. And so I reached out, and Jack at the

time wasn't doing interviews, they said, like, he's not

promoting anything. He's, he's really busy with other stuff.

They said, he's like, turning down nine out of every 10. So he

said, Cory, it's just probably gonna be you know, just being

realistic. And so, to me, it was a no for now, not a no. So what

I did was, here's the strategy. I went to Jack's site, and I

said, Who's endorsing Jack? Who else can I get to if I can't get

to Jack's? And so I noticed this one name, Dan Sullivan, who runs

a company called Strategic Coach in Toronto. My dad's not like is

out there. Like he's not trying to be that there's Josh. And Dan

had just done an interview in Success Magazine, which I

listened to every month at the time on the audio, actually a CD

for those that don't know what it is, but your car and listen

to the audio. And Darren Hardy interviewed him and I had a

similar interview style to Darren Hardy. So I went to Dan's

team and said, Hey, Dan said this was his favorite interview.

Here's a copy of my interview. I think he'd like our show. So

they came back. So we agree, it sounds like a similar style.

Let's get down on the show. They get to and on the show, which

was really my first big get. But then what I did was on the

interview, I kept bringing up Jack, the jack understand Jack's

like goes to your coaching event. And you're like Jack's

coach, basically, and, and all this stuff. And finally, in the

interview, he said, you know, Cory, the more I think about

this interview in this episode, I think Jack should come on your

show. And you tell Dan said, so what I did Janice's like clip

that Jack's team and they said, Cory, you beaten us into

submission, Schedule link. So that's more of the strategy. So

the sexy side, the non sexy side is you got to build a

relationship, you got to invest, you got to figure out how can I

give before taking the other side is sometimes you need to be

strategic if you want to build relationships, so you can

actually give to them first.

Yeah, those are both nuggets that are huge,

because I think a lot of people most people are impatient. And

that it's not because I always teach, give, give, give ask, you

know Jab, Jab, Jab, Right Hook, it's like, you know, you got to

give, give, give before you ask for something, but most people

it's like, they go right to the pitch and there they don't see

that That's, there's no nothing invested at that point. So I

totally agree with you. And it's a long that's the long game as

my, someone I interviewed on my podcast who I adore Dorie Clark.

I don't know if you know, yeah, she always said she wrote a book

called the long game. It's the long game. It really is. Right?

And, and the right way to do things, I think so it's not

sexy, but it is in a way, because it's really about

depositing in the bank account, so to speak, right. But in a in

an authentic way, in a real way. You You have to mean it. Right.

And, and I and be sincere about it. Absolutely.

And I will say, we talked off the top about

synchronicity in the book. And I will say if you believe in

synchronicity, what's really fascinating is literally two

days ago, the book was featured in Dorries newsletter. Oh, oh,

my god, I love it. You know, synchronicity, the odds that you

would bring up glory during this interview after, and literally I

was just on a call with somebody who reached out to me, this is

the power of branding and networking, positioning somebody

that reached out to me to ask me, you know about the

experience of being indoors newsletter, and then we got on a

call. And then he asked, Well, what do you do and then at the

end of it, so I might be interested in signing up for

that. You just never know relationships gonna go right.

And he's been following Dory for years. And they imagine event

and stuff. And I've interviewed Dory in the past numerous times.

But it's just like I said, it's, it's really a smaller world than

you think it is, once you put the time in.

So let's go back to synchronicity then. Just from

that statement you just met. Sad it's really a smaller world than

you think it is. Because that I think that was that the first

chapter? No, Chapter Four is synchronicity but but

synchronicity? I don't know, is it? I've always struggled with,

like you talk in that chapter. I think if I remember correctly

about writing things down. Right, when things happen and

sort of seeing how things do play out? Yeah. I don't believe

there's any accidents. I believe that things happen for a reason.

But I'm not sure I can. That I have, what's the term that I

have? Massaged that thing of synchronicity to make it happen

more? Does that make sense?

It does. And to answer your question. So here,

I'm not sure anybody can see this, but this is my journal

that I just started.

Okay. So of course, holding up his journal,

right? And the journal. Could

you said, Did you say something about writing it

down? And so yes, I believe. So James. And Salas, Dean said, If

you without saying the words, because it was a parable as

well, he just kind of implied that if you notice them and

acknowledge them, you'll get more of them. So that had

occurred to me, why don't I just physically write them down? Like

that would really be acknowledging them? So I started

writing them down and answer I guess the big question there is,

I used to have them every blue moon. But either I didn't notice

as often as are happening, or they weren't happening as often.

That's the riddle. I mean, I some people will say get

absolutely extra on that. And I really don't know how anybody

can give an absolute answer, meaning it's like the car you

buy? Do you see it more? Because you now notice it? Because you

bought it? Or does the universe now put you on the road? At the

same time as that car to see more than now? Because you now

have the car in your consciousness? I don't know the

answer. So same thing with synchronicity. I don't know if

it's that I wrote them. So now I'm getting more of them.

Because universe is Oh, you like these? I'll give you more. Or if

they were already happening, as many as they were. And I just

didn't notice them. I didn't know which is the real answer,

and doesn't really matter. Because all I know is I get them

a lot more frequently than I ever noticed before. So to

answer when you said, I don't know how to necessarily maybe

use that. Well, my answer would be write them down when they

happen. I think you'll start getting blown away by how often

they happen. And for me, sometimes they're

synchronicities. And sometimes they're like close to

synchronicity. But to give you an example, that literally just

happened, because there's some that are like, one I had I was I

was on a plane with a guy the other day, I'm looking at this

right here. And he said, we got talking and I said that we're

going to Vegas in May. I said next month, and this was in

April. I said next month, and he said, Oh yeah, we are too. And

then he got talking. He said, Yeah, we're going, actually in

June and I said, Oh, yeah. And he goes, We're flying on June 8.

Well, June 8 is my birthday. So I was like, that's interesting.

And then Heidi, who works for us, sent me a message later that

day, and I'd asked her earlier when she was flying back home to

Canada. She goes, Oh, do neighs and then there's a local band

called The Ellis brothers. And I the same day I was on Facebook

and scrolling down and then said they were playing at the local

thing on June 8. I don't like I look at that way says that just

tells me I'm on the right path. Like I don't know what they

really do that but the other one that happened that was really

powerful. And I don't know if I have my red poker chip here, but

I have a poker chip that says PMA on it, which stands for

positive mental attitude, which came from a book called have

success or a positive mental attitude by Napoleon Hill and W

Clement Stone. They said everybody has an invisible

talisman. They carry around with PMA on one side nma on the other

side. So for me, I printed them up. But I said, Why would I put

negative on one side, I just got to put PMA on both sides. And I

just read ship that I usually carry around with me. And so we

did this talk at the University of Miami. And there was a lady

in the audience who was really intrigued by it. You could tell

she had a lot of questions. Now, I never told her what it stood

for. I just said I carry the chip and and talked about it. I

didn't have one to show them. But I went to my bag because

somebody asked me for a pen to write down on the evaluation

forms. And I popped the poker chip. And then I saw her she was

still standing there talking. So I went over kind of waited for a

sec and showed her it. I remember the poker chip was

talking about you seem so interested in this is it here.

And then she tried to guess what PMA stood for for like 10

minutes. And she was really close the whole time. But as we

were both apart, I said, You know what, why don't you take

it? I said, I got my make them. Like I got lots of them. And I

said, I like giving them out like this, because you'll

probably tell the story to somebody else. And it'll get

them into a positive mental attitude. Maybe they'll print

the chips. Anyway. She started crying after about five minutes,

as we were still talking and I'm like, oh, what just happened

here. And she told me that her boyfriend had died six months

before of an overdose. And he was in the program AAA. And I

guess in this part of Florida, they have colored poker chips,

which I think they do with most aid things. But the one that for

60 days is a red poker chip. And she said it only occurred to her

because she's tries not to think about it. It only occurred to

her. After a few minutes that he the last two poker chip you

shoulder was a red poker chip. Oh my good now I have given her

a red poker chip. For her What that meant is this is him

telling me he's watching over me. Yes, of course. So that gets

written in the book because what I'm trying to say that's a

synchronicity to me. Yes, of

course. It's fantastic. I love it. Okay, I'm

gonna start writing them down. Please do so. So that story that

just happened between us around Dorie Clark, is that a

synchronicity for you? And me? Or just you?

I mean, that's that's an interesting question.

And this is where honestly, like, I struggled with, I was

definitely and I say it often, I was a spiritual skeptic for most

of my life. And I still am to a large degree. So like I struggle

with like astral projection. And the idea that I could be above

my body looking down like, I'm just not there yet. And and I

don't know if I will get there, or if I will, or ascending the

idea of ascending. I'm still not there yet. So, so for me, I

struggle when people give you an absolute answer to something

like that, because I believe ultimately, it's our

speculation. Like, I believe it's like, this is what I

believe. Fine. People say this is what that means. Yeah, that's

a good yeah. Like, how, how did you become the person that knows

that when the only way we could know that is to be on the other

side if, if we believe in the other side? Somebody recently

his name is Vinny, and I'm gonna see him next week at the writers

retreat in Utah. And Vinnie died for 72 hours is that Vinnie, the

podcast guy, he has a podcast I'm trying to think of his last

name, but he has a book about

so then he has a tea no or no. Okay. No,

no, no, I know who you mean. No, this year as

well. If the guy I'm thinking about you're talking about he's

a speaker gray hair.

Used to be MTV guy. Okay,

no, totally different people. I think

there's a good podcast is the name of his

podcast,

I think. Got him. I think this guy does have a

podcast, but I'm trying to remember the name his book. I

haven't here somewhere. But basically Oh, there it is. I

think oh,

wait, it's not Vincent. It's not this book.

Nope. That was scare me if it was that book. No, I

know him through. It's this guy. Life after Death.

Coleman. I mean, they call them Vinnie, Vinnie Vegas, because he

lives in Vegas. Yeah, but he died. It says he said that. It

says here. This is this is the front of it. At age 25. Vincent

Tolman was pronounced that and put in a body bag. Nearly an

hour later, he miraculously came back to life. This is his story.

But what he told me is that, technically, he was dead a lot

longer than that, because they didn't find him for a day and a

half, like, a few days or something. So the reason I bring

this up, only the main reason I bring this up is now if Vincent

tells me this is what's on the other side. I can, I can

understand why he believes that firmly. Because there's not many

people that have died for that long to tell you that. So this

is what I saw on the other side, then, okay, I'm gonna have to

buy into course yeah, what I'm saying is most people say this

is this is what's true. And so that was a long answer to your

question. Was a synchronicity for me or for you? I think,

personally, it's probably what each of us assigns to it. In

other words, if I think it's for both of us, and it's for both of

us to me, if you think it's for you, then it's for you. But what

do I take from it? Again, it gets hard to get and there's a

lot of people that will say this one it means just like dreams,

right? if that's what your dream means, but whoever was that, who

became the authority on that, like, Where was that proven that

if your dream is that means this. So the same thing with

this is that I think for me, what it means is you and I are

in the right place at the right time doing this interview. Me,

it's just a validation, you're on the right track. But somebody

else could certainly assign a bigger meaning. Like, for

example, both of us are so semester's tour Dory, right

after this, and say, Hey, don't worry, we're just talking about

you. Because we have a message for you. Like it's an in the

book I talked about, oh, James says, if you see somebody

multiple times, then they probably have a message for you.

For me, I think it's ultimately what we believe that's what we

should go with. So. So another weird example, around intuition

for me if we were going on a trip one time, and I was going

to be getting the book on my red carpet, in Nashville with my

publisher. And it was right around May 2020. And we were

driving to the airport. And my wife was pregnant, and we asked

her doctor, is it safe to go COVID is just starting. And she

said, there's only one case and all the tendency you should be

fine. We had the sniffles and cold. So it wouldn't have

probably been good anyway, because we would have went there

as the people that they thought had COVID Even though we didn't,

but we I got a text and said your flights delayed. And so my

The reason I bring this up is because some people would say,

well, everything's meant to be canceled, the flights delayed.

But if I went with that, Janice, every flight I'm on is delayed,

I would never go anywhere. So me I see think I need a bigger sign

than just your flights delayed. So I got a second text on the

way to the airport saying your flights delayed. And I the first

one I said is that the universe testing us or telling us the

second one, I said Who universe is really testing me. And then

we were about 10 months away from the airport. Third your

flights late, I said, the universe just told us not to go

on this trip. My point is I need the universe to drill it into my

head, not just say your flights laid once. And then we got to

the counter and the lady. We said like we only had an hour

and a half to go through customs with a pregnant wife. And start

with she said all I can tell you I can't say much. But I'm

looking at the screen and you won't make your next flight. So

we wouldn't have made it we were only going for four days. We

already were sneezing and coughing, like everything about

it said don't go on this trip. What I'm saying though, is I

need more than assign than just a Texas as your flights delayed.

But some people that would be enough if they only travel once

here, they say, Oh, this trip is off? something's gonna happen

with the plane? Well, what I'm saying is, I think it's whatever

you assign to it, if that works for them. Great. But for me, I

need more of a sign. I need the universe to beat me over the

head a little bit before I get

Oh, fantastic stuff. So let's just wrap up

with some some information from my listeners about your book,

because it's not well, it might be close when this airs, because

it's the end of May now it'll probably be about a month, your

book is going is in pre order. Yes. Tell us about where they

can get it and so on. Yeah,

so it is in preorder, meaning people can

order it right now. If you get it right now, the thing I'll say

is, depending on your listing, but if you're listening while

the bonus is still exists, my my suggestion would be get it now,

because it comes with bonuses that will eventually disappear.

And there's five instant bonuses that come with the book, when

you buy it. Those are like immediately you get them on your

email. And then on top of that, there's, you know, we shared

this, you heard me say this, I think, offline, I'm gonna share

this with you, but we have some other live events coming up. And

they're virtual events. And if you buy the book before, I'll

say if you are on the list after buying the book before these

events, you get to attend events all for free. And we have an

event coming up with Ken Honda and Janet Attwood live event you

can attend. Richard Paul Evans and Mark Victor Hansen and

Crystal Hansen. We have one cup that's kind of fascinating to

me. We have one coming up with Brian Austin Green from anger

management 92 Randy spelling Fernando and Sharna Burgas,

which is Dancing with the Stars. She's married to find dream.

Yeah. So it's gonna be like 902101. So we have all these

complex? Shawna? Shawna, right, sure. And and then we have a

live virtual bootcamp we do usually once or twice a year and

it's coming up. And basically by getting the book you're in for

all any of those that are still to happen after you get the book

and you get the five instant bonuses. So to me, it makes

sense if you can get all those things. So a $16.95 cent book.

So the answer the question how they will get it is and if you

can probably include a link in the show notes. Yes, of course.

If they go to the main link for the book, then when they get it,

they get it they're extending themselves to the retailer site

so they still pay the same price they still get at the same

place. But when you get it through our site, you come back

put the order number in and then you get in for all that stuff. I

said okay God, Barnes and Noble or Amazon on your own we can't

send you those gifts because we don't even know your bottoms.

They don't share it with us. So

that tells me the link again is

Sonos. Yeah, it's this is the book.com. So this

He's a bit.com

perfect because I'm looking on Amazon now and

I'm sitting thinking, I don't see any bonuses or anything. So

yes. Okay, that will be in there, this is the book.com. And

that will allow you to go buy it, bring you the, the receipt

to proof of purchase, and then you're eligible for all those

things. That's fantastic. I'm very excited for you. I think

this is going to be huge. I think it's, I so enjoyed this

reading it and it's a quick read, it's a great book to share

with others, especially like you said, the things that you would

teach your your children, you know, it's kind of like get the

young people who are just coming up to start thinking about these

things and think this way, because you know, it I wish I'd

known some of these things earlier than I did, you know,

start to explore the, the the ideas of intuition and

synchronicity and all of those good things. So. So thank you,

thank you for being here. And I appreciate your time and my

audience. I really encourage you to check this out. Check Corys

work out and do get involved with with what he does, because

I think it's really I think he's onto something big here bigger

than before. So congratulations. Thank you for being here. Again

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