July 17, 2024

AND THE EMMY GOES TO MIRACLE TWINS With Danette Kubanda

AND THE EMMY GOES TO MIRACLE TWINS With Danette Kubanda

Episode Summary – SMALL TOWN GIRL DOES NOT STOP BELIEVING! In Episode 88 of the Shining Brightly Podcast Show (links in the comments) titled, “AND THE EMMY GOES TO MIRACLE TWINS”, I am joined by Danette Kubanda a two-time daytime EMMY Award winning television producer turned media and publicity coach who helps authors, experts, entrepreneurs and companies share their message with the masses. She grew up in a small town in Pennsylvania and wanted to be in TV as a little girl. She followed through on her dream to help produce the Oprah Winfrey Show (what’s up Oprah!), HGTV, CBS and Fox programs. We discuss her Amazon best selling book “Creativity Is…Whatever You Want It To Be”.  Her pride and joy are her three children. Miracle girl and boy twins just like me and my twin-sister. Please listen, download, share, review and come check out this cool show.

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About the guest – Danette Kubanda is an Emmy award winning television producer turned media and publicity coach, who helps authors, experts and entrepreneurs share their messages with the masses so they can help the people who need them most. Her career spans more than twenty years in the TV business where she earned the highest award in the field – twice – with two Daytime Emmy Awards to her credit. She began her career at CNN, before moving on to the legendary Oprah Winfrey Show, where she spent four years helping viewers to “live their best lives.”  She then went on to write and produce for HGTV, Fine Living Network, CBS and Fox Twentieth Television. She’s the co-author of the Amazon Best-Selling book, “Creativity Is…Whatever You Want It To Be.” Today, Danette serves as a publicity consultant and media coach for the National Publicity Summit, the Quantum Leap Program and the Super Connector Media Mastermind in addition to her own private clients. Her mission is to help experts become the media guests she would have wanted to book on her shows.

About the Host:

Howard Brown is a best-selling author, award-winning international speaker, Silicon Valley entrepreneur, interfaith peacemaker, and a two-time stage IV cancer survivor. He is also a sought-after speaker and consultant for corporate businesses, nonprofits, congregations, and community groups. Howard has co-founded two social networks that were the first to connect religious communities around the world. He is a nationally known patient advocate and “cancer whisperer” to many families. Howard, his wife Lisa, and daughter Emily currently reside in Michigan, and his happy place is on the basketball court.


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Transcript
Howard Brown:

Hello, it's Howard Brown is the Shining Brightly



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Show. Oh my goodness. I am just so excited for this show. I have



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topics about winning really shiny trophies and talking about



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twins. Oh my god Danette Kubanda, welcome. I'm so glad to



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see you. I am thrilled to be here. Thank you so much for



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having me, Howard. We're gonna have some fun. But let me tell



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you about the superstar that I have. You know, I'm looking on



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the screen and you're listening or watching right now. So,



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Danette Kubanda is an Emmy Award winning television producer turn



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Media and Publicity coach, she helps authors, experts,



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entrepreneurs share their message with the masses, very



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important to be heard, right? So they can help people who need



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them most. Her career spans 20 years in the TV biz. And I was



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in the TV biz on the back end of it, the backside of it behind



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the camera. And she earned the highest award in the field



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twice, two Daytime Emmy Awards to her credit, and she began her



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career at CNN. And then she moved on to the legendary Oprah



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Winfrey Show. What's up Oprah shout out. Okay. We she spent



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four years helping the viewers there to live their best lives.



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I love that that was such a great show. We still get her



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magazine, I think what an influence right worldwide. She



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went on to write and produce for a Home and Garden Television,



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find living network, CBS, Fox 20 television, and you are the co



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author of Amazon Best Selling but creativity is wherever you



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want it to be. Love that. Today, you serve as a publicity



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consultant and media coach for national publicity summit, the



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Quantum Leap programme, super connected media mastermind and



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decision you have your own private coaching clients. Your



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mission is to help experts become the media guests they



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wanted and you wanted to book on your shows. This is awesome. So



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welcome. Glad to be here. But before we do that, okay, you



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have to share something that you know you not everyone knows



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about you. So give me give us a little little tea here on



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something we may not know.



Danette Kubanda:

I once had to charter an aeroplane for a



Danette Kubanda:

gorilla.



Howard Brown:

Come again. Why would you have to do that?



Danette Kubanda:

It was actually for a show we were doing for



Danette Kubanda:

animal planets. And the gorilla didn't fit in a commercial



Danette Kubanda:

cabin. And they didn't want him to fly cargo. So he got his own



Danette Kubanda:

chartered aeroplane to make it to Chicago.



Howard Brown:

That's different. And the gorilla made it the



Howard Brown:

first class of course.



Danette Kubanda:

Absolutely. And it was such a fun show. But it's



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so important to just like think outside the box and figure out a



Danette Kubanda:

way to solve whatever problems in front of you. I can imagine



Danette Kubanda:

that your manager goes get that gorilla here. Go figure it out.



Danette Kubanda:

And you did. That's all thank you for sharing that amazing. So



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as Danette and I have gotten to know each other she calls



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herself a small town girl from Pennsylvania and I can't get the



Danette Kubanda:

journey song out of my head now because it's one of my my faves



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all time don't stop believing that small town girl. But tell



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us about that small town girl and how she eventually got to



Danette Kubanda:

the Emmy stage. Yeah, I I grew up in in Johnstown,



Danette Kubanda:

Pennsylvania, which if anyone's heard of it, they only know it



Danette Kubanda:

because of the flood. So you know, it's an old steel town. By



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the time I got to high school, the mills had already closed



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down. It was just, you know, there wasn't much there. So it



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wasn't a situation where I had role models, you know, who were



Danette Kubanda:

out there becoming television producers are chasing big



Danette Kubanda:

dreams. But in my head, I always wanted to work in TV, and I was



Danette Kubanda:

going to do whatever it took to get there.



Howard Brown:

So you went to college for journalism? Is that



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what it was?



Danette Kubanda:

I did, I actually started working in TV



Danette Kubanda:

when I was 16. In high school, I had to become a Boy Scout, a boy



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scout explorer, they had a programme where we can work at



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our local Cablevision station. And through that, I was able to



Danette Kubanda:

learn the ropes of running a camera. We've covered city



Danette Kubanda:

council meetings, we did local sporting events. It was just a



Danette Kubanda:

really great introduction into the industry. And from there, I



Danette Kubanda:

chose that top 10 journalism schools so that I could get more



Danette Kubanda:

hands on experience. I knew being in the field was better



Danette Kubanda:

than just book learning.



Howard Brown:

But what How did you know you knew that you



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wanted to be you know, in the in the television business and



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maybe just as a little girl, that's that was the goal and you



Howard Brown:

made it happen?



Danette Kubanda:

I was obsessed with TV. I watched absolutely



Danette Kubanda:

every sitcom that was available to me. I watched all the talk



Danette Kubanda:

shows. And yeah, that's just what I wanted to do. I wanted to



Danette Kubanda:

be Donna Reed, you know, she was the first woman who was credited



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as a producer on her own show and I loved that girl and she



Danette Kubanda:

was out there you know, making her dream happen. So I knew what



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I wanted. And I just had to go about figuring out how to make



Danette Kubanda:

it happen.



Howard Brown:

I have to tell you because I actually worked at



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avid technology. And we changed from analogue to digital how



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broadcast and film and TV and commercials were all made. I got



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to see it from the backside. Like, I think I told you in the



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green room, like I was in KNBC studios in LA during the OJ



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Simpson Chase. I mean, we were glued to it. I mean, we were



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like fans, and you know, the helicopters and everything and



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the big lineup, but you know, chase him and things like that.



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But I really feel very proud of that in my career. I never



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wanted to be on TV, but I was got to be in support how



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television was made. It was cool. And so you know, with that



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comes some privileges, like meeting Jay lenno, and going and



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seeing cool TV shows, like friends and things like that



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being made up and all that. So it was a lot of fun. But it's



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it's really amazing. But this is, you know, that take us



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through here that you know, where were you actually, I think



Howard Brown:

it was some type of Judge show, right? What was the show that



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actually got you some awards?



Danette Kubanda:

Yeah, I was working for Christina's court.



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So it was a quick it was supposed to be three months in



Danette Kubanda:

Texas. And I figured I could live anywhere for three months.



Danette Kubanda:

And it ended up being one of the best experiences, I was able to



Danette Kubanda:

win two Emmys from it. That's where I met my husband. So it it



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was a pretty productive three months for me.



Howard Brown:

Wow, look. And by the way, those that are will be



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watching the video. I mean, she's got the Emmys right there



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will show a picture of that right behind her. So she's got



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the goodies right behind her, which is really impressive. And



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so that's absolutely incredible. But I mean, again, you've been



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really persistent in your career, you've made it happen.



Howard Brown:

But I want to talk about some personal struggle and things



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like that. So take us into your miracle twins. And then being a



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twin. It's just brings such joy, because I'm a twin and my twin



Howard Brown:

saved my life. So tell me about your story there.



Danette Kubanda:

Oh, and I love hearing that. I love hearing



Danette Kubanda:

that you and your twin are still so close. I hope that for my for



Danette Kubanda:

my babies too. Yeah, it was, it was a situation where I never



Danette Kubanda:

thought I'd have to worry about having kids. I'm the youngest of



Danette Kubanda:

six. I have 15 nieces and nephews, I thought, okay, that's



Danette Kubanda:

just something that you know, anybody can do. But when it came



Danette Kubanda:

my turn, it wasn't so easy. And we had to turn to science. I'm



Danette Kubanda:

so thankful for IVF I'm so thankful for the amazing doctors



Danette Kubanda:

who are out there. And even with those medical advancements, we



Danette Kubanda:

still have struggles, I still went through two different



Danette Kubanda:

miscarriages, I we lost an embryo during a thaw. We lost we



Danette Kubanda:

had a vanishing twin, my first baby had a twin, and that didn't



Danette Kubanda:

make it past eight weeks. You know, and so now I have the



Danette Kubanda:

healthy 11 year old boy and healthy nine year old twins. And



Danette Kubanda:

I'm so thankful for them. But it was a very scary time. We didn't



Danette Kubanda:

know what was going to happen, you know that they the



Danette Kubanda:

statistics are out there. That one in 10 couples struggle with



Danette Kubanda:

infertility. And they share that so that you don't feel so alone.



Danette Kubanda:

But it's a very dark time where you do feel very alone. So I



Danette Kubanda:

think that's part of the big reason I share my story is



Danette Kubanda:

because there is hope. And there are different avenues you can



Danette Kubanda:

explore. And I was ready and willing to explore whatever



Danette Kubanda:

options were available to me.



Howard Brown:

It's amazing. So there's a chapter in my book



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called Miracle Girl. And you know, when you're diagnosed with



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cancer at 23 years old, I was not thinking I was gonna have



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kids I was thinking I wasn't going to live. And the fact that



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either the god vision or the genius of Dr. Eric Rubin, my you



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know, oncology Harvard fellow told me before chemotherapy, to



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go to the cryogenic centre and preserve sperm and then to meet



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my wife in Los Angeles and to call for that sperm 11 years



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later and go through in vitro fertilisation which is



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expensive, which is just emotionally draining right as



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you now and she grew eight eggs and then they defrost the sperm



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and put four back in and a harvest and and one became out



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our beautiful healthy, you know, baby girl, and you know all that



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goes back to my twin saving my life with her bone marrow. And



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I'm going to let you in a little secret. Okay. My twin sister has



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an older daughter, and she's now 25 But she has two twins that



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are 22 girl boy just like you. It's incredible.



Danette Kubanda:

That's the best. I'm so happy for your



Danette Kubanda:

family. That's amazing.



Howard Brown:

So the message the message out there to anyone



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listening and watching is that you know that fertility



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conversations with your doctor. Okay, whether you're healthy or



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not, you need to have those but there are all surrogacy and



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there's adoption. There's lots of little ones out there.



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There's orphans out there are that, that need good families,



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they really do. And I think that's the message that you and



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I come together on is that, but we are I know you and I, we are



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so blessed to be able to have that and, and, and twins. It's



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it's incredible. It's really an incredible thing I can tell you



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that my sister is clearly you know, one of my best friends in



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my world. And on May 24, I celebrated my 34th year my bone



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marrow birthday. So happy bone marrow birthday, that's a



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birthday, celebrate 34 years alive, right? Unfortunately, it



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was a little hiccup in the winter with colon cancer, but



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all healthy and things like that now, so, but we all struggle,



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and then it's just such a beautiful thing. You know,



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family illness is important, right? And you have a very big



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family, lots of cousins. And again, you're just saying that



Howard Brown:

over the holiday weekend, you are actually getting everyone



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together. And it's probably a big scene. But well, you got to



Howard Brown:

take that all in. That's good stuff.



Danette Kubanda:

It absolutely is. And we've you know, I'm



Danette Kubanda:

working in TV, I lived far away from my family for many, many



Danette Kubanda:

years. And we actually just moved closer to them about two



Danette Kubanda:

years ago. And I always say it would have been so much better



Danette Kubanda:

to live in your family when I had newborn twins, you know, to



Danette Kubanda:

have family to help out. But I'm so happy we have it now. And my



Danette Kubanda:

babies get, you know, they get their aunts and their cousins



Danette Kubanda:

show up to their baseball games and their basketball games. And



Danette Kubanda:

it just makes such a difference to have people around.



Howard Brown:

Alright, so my sister and I, we actually used



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to watch this. And again, people maybe they might not remember



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it, but there were the superheroes, right? And so there



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were the wonders. Activate, no form of water. So so every our



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birthdays are March 10. And when your twins birthday, April 8,



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April 8, okay, so we actually call ourselves the Wonder Twins.



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So I post a little thing on Facebook or whatever. And we do



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the Wonder Twin powers activate. It's, it's really cute. But you



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know, twins, they just have a bond. You know, I don't know



Howard Brown:

about your twins. But they do. I'm sure they do. And, you know,



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hopefully they protect each other and support each other.



Howard Brown:

It's awesome. So any quick twin story that you have.



Danette Kubanda:

It was about two summers ago, and they both



Danette Kubanda:

came to me. And they both had the tiniest little booboo in the



Danette Kubanda:

exact same spot on the exact same knee. You know, and they're



Danette Kubanda:

both showing me my look, isn't this fun? I was like, it must be



Danette Kubanda:

a twin thing. I didn't have any other explanation for it.



Howard Brown:

I love it. It's a twin thing for sure. So I think



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like there's a day for everything. I know, there's a



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national twin day out there someday, I don't know the exact



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date,



Danette Kubanda:

August and we now live near Twinsburg, Ohio,



Danette Kubanda:

where they have the twins day festival, which you should check



Danette Kubanda:

out at some point.



Howard Brown:

All right, I didn't even know that a



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Twinsburg Ohio, so we'll definitely do that. So tell me,



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you know, you know, the you're, you know, competent, combining



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being a working mom and having a family and things like that, you



Howard Brown:

know, what are your takeaways from from being able to now be



Howard Brown:

blessed with such a cool family? And also, you know, hitting the



Howard Brown:

Emmy stage and all that, what are your big takeaways?



Danette Kubanda:

You know, I think the big thing for me was



Danette Kubanda:

that I really had goals in life, I had things I wanted to do. And



Danette Kubanda:

I knew that I wanted to do them and be able to focus on them. So



Danette Kubanda:

I'm really happy that I was able to go out and hit those career



Danette Kubanda:

milestones before I became a mom so that I didn't have any



Danette Kubanda:

regrets. So I have all of those career things out of the way.



Danette Kubanda:

And now I can focus on being the mom I wanted to be, you know,



Danette Kubanda:

I'm able to go to their all of their school functions and



Danette Kubanda:

volunteer for field trips, and still be a working mom and still



Danette Kubanda:

show them how important it is to still have have dreams and have



Danette Kubanda:

goals. But I feel like there's a better balance now than there



Danette Kubanda:

would have been if I was still working TV hours, which are very



Danette Kubanda:

long, very involves a lot of travelling, I wouldn't have been



Danette Kubanda:

able to be the mom I wanted to be and do that at the same time.



Danette Kubanda:

So I'm very thankful that I was able to work it out where I'm



Danette Kubanda:

still doing something I love, I'm still contributing to



Danette Kubanda:

amazing television shows, and amazing other media outlets,



Danette Kubanda:

because I'm working as a media coach now. But I can do it from



Danette Kubanda:

home and I can still be actively involved in my kids lives. It's



Danette Kubanda:

it's difficult to strike that balance, but it's possible. And



Danette Kubanda:

again, if it's something that you really want, there's a way



Danette Kubanda:

to make it happen, that you are making it happen and you're



Danette Kubanda:

living hopefully some type of balanced life and dedicated to



Danette Kubanda:

the family. You're you're you're managing it all.



Howard Brown:

So tell me about your coaching and what you're



Howard Brown:

doing now. And then give me real short one tip that someone could



Howard Brown:

get to be better be media Ready.



Danette Kubanda:

Ready? Yeah, yeah. So now I'm working as a



Danette Kubanda:

media coach and publicity consultants. So I'm I'm coaching



Danette Kubanda:

people, authors, experts, entrepreneurs who want to share



Danette Kubanda:

their message With the masses, they just don't necessarily know



Danette Kubanda:

how to get in front of those large audiences. And I'm, I'm



Danette Kubanda:

really hoping that I'm guiding people into becoming the guests,



Danette Kubanda:

I would have wanted to book on my shows, I think one of the



Danette Kubanda:

things people really struggle with is when they're pitching



Danette Kubanda:

the media, they're pitching their product, they're pitching



Danette Kubanda:

their book, their pitch, pitching their service, instead



Danette Kubanda:

of pitching, how they can help. So turning it around and



Danette Kubanda:

thinking about the audience, what is the audience going to



Danette Kubanda:

get from an interview with you, that's really what those



Danette Kubanda:

producers and editors are looking for. And that's what the



Danette Kubanda:

audience is looking for? How can you benefit that audience, share



Danette Kubanda:

something with them, to make them start living a better life,



Danette Kubanda:

starting today, give them actionable steps that they can



Danette Kubanda:

take. And in sharing that piece of your expertise, it's going to



Danette Kubanda:

leave them wanting to know more, so they're going to want to go



Danette Kubanda:

buy your book, and they're gonna want to sign up for your



Danette Kubanda:

programmes, and they're going to want to buy your products. But



Danette Kubanda:

if you go out there talking about those, then they feel like



Danette Kubanda:

they're being sold. So you want to, like, be an example of what



Danette Kubanda:

you can do and how you can serve people.



Howard Brown:

I love it. And also, you know, there's got to



Howard Brown:

be an action. So my, my daughter, who's a TV reporter in



Howard Brown:

Missoula, Montana, she always says positivity is great, but



Howard Brown:

positivity without action and impact is just positivity. So I



Howard Brown:

love it that be able to show that impact. And, and that's



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what I'm all about. So, you know, there's there's the



Howard Brown:

shining brightly, you know, moment is to be able to do that.



Howard Brown:

This is absolutely incredible. Well, the time goes by quick on



Howard Brown:

a short show. So I'm going to ask you to put on your



Howard Brown:

sunglasses right now. All right. We're going to shine the



Howard Brown:

spotlight on you all look at those. What type of sunglasses



Howard Brown:

are they?



Danette Kubanda:

My daughter? Let me borrow her Taylor Swift



Danette Kubanda:

sunglasses, because this was an important interview, and she



Danette Kubanda:

wanted you to be feel important.



Howard Brown:

All right, well, thank you, TJ. And they are



Howard Brown:

great. Their heart shapes, eyeglasses, they're amazing. So



Howard Brown:

shining, brightly spotlight on you dinette, tell people how



Howard Brown:

they should get a hold of you if you have talked about your book



Howard Brown:

a little bit, and then share some inspiration and we'll close



Howard Brown:

out the show.



Danette Kubanda:

Excellent. Well, absolutely, you can visit



Danette Kubanda:

my website. It's just Dannette commando.com. And there are



Danette Kubanda:

buttons on there to connect with me on Instagram, Facebook,



Danette Kubanda:

LinkedIn, all of the social media outlets, I would love to



Danette Kubanda:

hear from people and see how I can help you get your message in



Danette Kubanda:

front of the masses. And then as far as an inspirational the book



Danette Kubanda:

the book first. Oh, sure. So I was a co author on creativity is



Danette Kubanda:

whatever you want it to be. And I wrote about creativity as



Danette Kubanda:

resilience because again, the it's about problem solving. It's



Danette Kubanda:

about thinking outside the box, and finding unique ways to solve



Danette Kubanda:

a problem or a struggle that you may be facing. You know, so I



Danette Kubanda:

talked a little bit about my fertility journey, I talked



Danette Kubanda:

about some different problems that I came across as a



Danette Kubanda:

television producer. And and one thing that kind of keeps ringing



Danette Kubanda:

in my head, I have three little kids, I watch a lot of animated



Danette Kubanda:

movies. But there was a Toy Story Short, where they that



Danette Kubanda:

they did for Halloween and they had a toy, an action figure



Danette Kubanda:

named combat coral, and combat Carl never gives up combat Carl



Danette Kubanda:

finds a way. I love those lines, because it's so true. It's and



Danette Kubanda:

he was teaching Jesse you know, the little cowgirl how to get



Danette Kubanda:

out of a predicament. And that kind of that soundbite realm was



Danette Kubanda:

through my head. Don't give up find a way, look outside the box



Danette Kubanda:

and find a way to find your dreams, chase your dream dreams



Danette Kubanda:

Chase chase your goals. So thanks.



Howard Brown:

Thank you for sharing that. That's awesome.



Howard Brown:

We'll take that. So I take the glasses off. And we're we'll



Howard Brown:

close out the show. So this is the shining, brightly podcast



Howard Brown:

show. And I just want to give a big shout out and thanks to the



Howard Brown:

over 125,000 people that are actually downloading and



Howard Brown:

reviewing and listening to this show each week and getting some



Howard Brown:

inspiration getting something out of it to take action on it



Howard Brown:

makes me and just reinforces why I do this and why we why we



Howard Brown:

actually get out and try to broadcast and, and share some



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positive messages. You can get a hold of me at shining



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brightly.com my speaking the book, The podcast is there also



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more importantly, my advocacy in the entrepreneurship world at



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Babson College, cancer world and the interfaith world to get to



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know the others especially in this time of, of hate and some



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tough times we've got going on there, we need that positivity.



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I really do emphasise that and again, Daniel, we've talked



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about today, twins and being a force multiplier for good and



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positive change. So just remember, okay, that we can do



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it, we can get back up again from hard times. So shout out to



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the folks that make me look good front edge publishing, read the



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spirit.com and the Amplify You network that makes my podcasts



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beautiful. And and then we'll just we'll close it up by saying



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if you choose to shine brightly a little bit each day for



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ourselves, take care of ourselves, and then go lift up



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others in our communities in our neighbourhoods, the world will



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be a better place, Danette it's been a real pleasure, thank you.



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And I love the Emmys. Oh my god, it's sparkling. It's beautiful.



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And keep being a beautiful mom and keep helping people and with



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your media consulting. I just love to having you as a guest.



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Thank you for being



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I've had so much fun. Thank you for inviting me.