What does MS, bipolar disorder, raw meat and Steve Hardison have in common? - Emily Penton

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Emily Penton Welcome to the show. Welcome to the ultimate coach podcast.

Hello, thanks for having me.

Well, thank you for agreeing to do this. You bet. This is very exciting, cuz? Well, we revealed my first question to you though, young lady. What does the name Steve Hardison mean to you?

Hmm, wow, that's such a loaded question. It means so much for a person I've never met. And I have an idea about Steve Hardison. But more of what's the name Steve Hardison means to me, is really just a reflection of myself. And I never thought that was even possible, number one, to have this reflection of myself, be in somebody else and then be somebody I've never met. Like, that doesn't that's not logical. That doesn't make sense. But that is my experience after reading the ultimate coach.

Well, let's, let's get to that in a second. But I want to, I want to acknowledge that first part, because that's exactly how I felt when I when I heard about Steven got to see him when I watched the Doosan Tillery video, I saw so much of myself in him. And that seems to be a reoccurring theme with people in this community. And I don't know what that is. If you know what that is, let me know. Because I'm sure other people have been curious as well. But maybe while that particular percolating away if we, if neither of us know, what about the origin story about how this all came about for you?

Yeah, so actually, my father and I are getting ready to do a training, or I was getting ready to do a training with Jamie smart, thriving coaches blueprint. And my father said to prepare for this coaching training, you need to read the ultimate coach, because Jamie smarts coaches were coached by Steve Hardison, like he's the coaches coach. And I was like, ah, like homework, like, okay, whatever. So I started reading the book. And I, I think, more than anything, what I love is the back of the book, and how he tells me to go into the book thinking about this. And that's what unfolded for me, because specifically, on the back of the book, it says, Who would I need to be to have miracles show up in my daily life? And as I started reading the book about Steve Hardison, about me, then I realized not only actively are there, daily miracles, but there have been, and so even though I went into the past of Steve Hardison, his life, I went, I walked through the past of my life. And I was like, that was a miracle at age 20. Oh my gosh, that was a miracle at age 25, age 30. Like, as I walked through his life, I walked through my life, and I saw all the daily miracles that have happened, and that are continuing to happen now. And the really cool part was that at the end of the book, in one of the chapters, it talked about somebody saying that they saw a post or something of Steve Hardison on Facebook, and I was like, Oh, my goodness, Steve Hardison is on Facebook. I have to go find him. So I went, and I clicked on his about info. And on his about info it says Steve Hardison is following believe in ditchburn and I was like 11, ditchburn is a word and a name that you don't forget. And I interacted with Laban, ditchburn, 18 months ago, we were gonna record a podcast, we just had to reschedule it, we never reconnected. And I totally just forgot to be honest, for a minute. But like I said, once you have that name Laban ditchburn in your brain, you don't forget it. And so then to know that Steve Hardison is following laeven ditchburn. I immediately reached out to you and said, Hey, do you still want to interview me for your podcast? And then the rest is history we recorded? It has been amazing. More miracles have happened. As I've had conversations with you with Anna, with just the circle of people around you Around me. It's been a miracle.

Amen. Sister has been an absolute miracle. And what's it been like? Two months, three months since this happened? Maybe two and a half. Not very long.

Maybe two, maybe two? Not long, not long. But it

feels like it's been an eternity. It feels like it's been a lifelong connection and no doubt, previous life. Connection. Oh, no. And what the How did you like this? This coach? Jamie was that his name? The guy?

Jamie smart.

I haven't heard of it. But I'm sure people out there have. But so your dad heard about him through watching Jamie Smith. So you dad's into personal development as well.

Yeah. Well, Jamie smart talks about Steve Chandler all the time. And so we've read books on by Steve Chandler. We've read books by Michael Neal. You know, we've just been all in that space and everything directs back to Steve Hardison. Everybody talks about Steve Hardison and the books that we're reading. And, but there was no information about him. There was no podcasts. There was no recording, there was no nothing. There was no book of Steve Hardison until the ultimate coach. Thank you, Alan Thompson. Thank you, Amy. Harsin.

Yeah, that last bit of the book, we have a bit on the back page, the only bit that Steve wrote. Me and Alan did. I mean, Ellen, Ellen top Ellen, Dr. Andrew Thompson has we've become good friends and and my god the work that went into even convincing Madison clan to write the bloody thing was was an effort on itself. And then you know, the miracle, right, and then what Amy's been able to contribute being a world as far as I know it professional writer and editor, you know, so, thank you for that. You know, as you were saying that, Emily, I thought about that movie Being John Malkovich. Remember, now, I can't remember the movie well enough. But what I was thinking is we could do a remake one day, I'll fund this, I'll create the money. And we'll redo it and call it being Steve Hardison because they do sequels. But how many remakes do they do? Oh,

that would be so good. I would so watch.

Like, because it's based on a real guy. For those who don't have not seen it. I'm gonna rewatch it and see whether it's even appropriate might be completely inappropriate, if he's the one that who couldn't who could not like John Malkovich. So let's know more about who Emily Penton is because you are easily easily one of the most fascinating, interesting people I've ever had the privilege of meeting for a litany of reasons, but I won't spoil it. I want to hear it from the horse's mouth.

So I guess the interesting thing about me the the question that people always ask me about was that I lived in the pit of mental illness hell, for 40 years. And it was my reality. It was my daily breathing, existing life. And there was no light at the end of the tunnel. There was no hope there was no I think it'll be better next year. There was just pure misery. And I had, I had no reason to hope. I had debilitating mental illness. And it was diagnosed bipolar disorder. And it turned into rapid cycling, bipolar disorder, which meant that I didn't know who I was from one day to the next. And that didn't bode well for my career. Because I was practicing as a child therapist. And so it worked well for a time be because if you know people with bipolar disorder, when they're on, they're phenomenal. They're amazing. But I couldn't consistently be on and I couldn't manage, like I couldn't time when I was functioning, I couldn't time when I was capable. And so then it got to the point where I was working four days a week, and then three days a week, and then it got to like, I could only, you know, eke out one day a week. And that wasn't ethical for for the my clients. And so I had to stop working in in the fall of 2018. And I had to move in with my mom at the age of 40. And it was just devastating. And so it's like, I was in the pit of mental illness, hell, and then I dug a hole. Like, it was like, Oh my gosh, okay, now it's even worse. I'm not even on my own. I'm not even paying my own bills. I'm living with my mom. And fortunately, my brother reached out to me and told me about the carnivore diet. And what is that? So it's basically just eating animal meat and animal fat. And it wasn't so much about the diet. It was about what I removed from my diet. I removed sugar, and processed foods. And I wish I could like I wish I had a picture of me with like a table of all of the things that I used to eat, to just give a visual to you guys, because I was 558. So I was at my most I was probably like 260 pounds. And I would eat, I would eat like whenever I would go to make chocolate chip cookies, I would make two batches, so that I can eat the dough of one batch while I cooked the cookies, and then I ate all the cookies. I would eat entire pizzas by myself. I would eat ice cream straight out of the carton, ramen noodles, chips, sodas, beer, wine, liquor, everything. And it it never satiated me. I was never it was never enough. And it was absolutely contributing to my mental illness. So when I removed those things, it was February 24 of 2019. I removed all of those things. And I I think it was about three weeks in maybe the end of the third week, I experienced this glimpse, and it was only for 10 minutes of joy, and hope. And I was like, Oh, I was like what is that? What is that emotion I had, I literally don't remember ever experiencing joy or hope. i There is no light at the end of the tunnel. And I it was really cool. And it only lasted 10 minutes. And I was like, Oh, that was weird. And then the next day it happened again, and it lasted for 15 minutes. And then it just grew and grew until now I literally cannot have a bad day. And to say that that is a miracle is it's just true. I don't have any other way to explain it. Because I was on 900 milligrams grams of lithium 80 milligrams of Prozac. 80 milligrams of Adderall just to get out of bed every day. And Ambien to sleep every night there and I wasn't functioning. So to have any hope was huge. The weird part about my story is that as I was eating this food, and doing this all meat diet, about three weeks in, I was hospitalized. And a logical person would say oh my gosh, you did this all meat diet and now you're hospitalized. Maybe you shouldn't do this. But there was a knowing inside of me that transcends understanding and transcends logic. That and it was just this absolute confidence that I'm going I'm going to gamble. I'm going to gamble this I'm going to follow my gut. I'm going to keep eating meat and fat. And I did while I was in the hospital I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis. And I couldn't walk without an assistive device. I had delayed and slurred speech, and I had more significant brain fog than I ever had with a bipolar disorder. The really cool part about my story is that this started February 24 of 2019. In April of 2019, I had my last manic or depressive episode. And then in May May 9, specifically, I had my last ms symptom. And it never returned. I went back to work full time in June of 2019. My psychiatrist saw the light in my eyes and saw me functioning so well. And he'd been with me for eight years. And so he knew how I looked crazy. And he saw me well, he tapered me off of my meds. My last psych med was September of 2019. And now I am living my absolute best life.

Wow. I've heard this story multiple times now and it still is still worthy of a wow. It's I've never met anyone that has had that kind of success. I've heard anecdotes I've interviewed. Dr. Chris Palmer, who is an adjunct professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School has been treating bipolar disorder and suicidal ideology and schizophrenia using a ketogenic diet, which they developed about 120 years ago for children that had epilepsy, which is not too dissimilar in many ways to what the carnivore diet is in a fine sounding like when I say what is the carnivore diet? Well, it's something I've experienced personally, but you know, it's, it's mind blowing to a lot of people. It doesn't make any sense, right?

Yeah, you're supposed to eat your veggies. Right. But I wasn't eating veggies. So.

So there's, there's a few things a few directions I want to go. The one of the first ones is we're like, how did this improve your connection to Source?

Exponentially. I have always been very spiritual, and very connected to God. Except for whenever I would have those, you know, moments of complete depression. And it's funny because I enjoyed my mania. I mean, I always lost it, I always went crazy, did these obsessive things would randomly go marry somebody? Like, it was a way I was, I was totally

out of control. Now, many times it happened

to three. To legally, and then one of the last one, we bought a house together. And we're we lived together for four years. So that that counts as a marriage.

So the second episode of The Hangover.

Exactly, exactly. And so anyway, there were so many times that even either in mania or depression, I would sit there and I would, I would try to focus and I would try to call myself and I would try to really connect with source and with God, and my brain was going everywhere, and my body was hurting with multiple sclerosis. I had symptoms for 10 years. Before my diagnosis, I just didn't know it was multiple sclerosis. And so everything hurt constantly. Now, I can sit, and I can immediately tap into that focus, and that calm and that peaceful space. And oh my goodness, can we get stuff done? We get so much so many things done in the spiritual realm Now, me and God, because we're connected. And I hear him and I don't hear my back or I don't hear my brain going. Oh, you forgot to get milk. Oh, this Oh, that you know, whatever. Now I can just focus. It's on top.

Well, in the two months that I've known you give or take, like I have witnessed a Tasmanian devil like effort in what you've been able to pull off, right? So look at look at the future because Emily paintings on a mission. And I love how you responded to the TBO and I in it NFL? video, I'd like the reaching out to Steve how what was that experience? Like where you contacted to?

Yeah, um, when I when I watched TVO for the first time, like, and it's so funny because you prefaced it you when you sent it to me, you were like, um, this is life changing. So, go watch this. And whenever you and I connected, I was just like, okay, laymen's not gonna waste my time. And I was already reading the book like I was in the middle of the book whenever you send it to me, and I was just so happy to hear Steve Hardison talk and to see him that I was just like on the edge of my seat, and then I was like, I don't even care about Steve Hardison. This story is phenomenal. And then it started just taking over my heart and taking over my passion. And I immediately just was like, um, I'm good enough to go talk to Steve Hardison, and so I sent him a message on Facebook. And I was just like, remember this name. And he was just like, I will remember that name. And we, we just had, it was just a couple of messages back and forth. But it meant everything to me. Just to know that I could touch greatness, because I am greatness.

Yes, you can. And, um, you know, Steve, because, as far as I know, I've been diligently listening to all of these podcasts, depending on not depending on anything, but everyone who's recording me. So he will get to this at some point. And who could forget the woman who eats raw meat and raw fat? Exactly right. And just on that, it's something that's the preface a lot that you don't see this as a sustainable, like, necessarily healthy way of existing right now. Can you explain that?

So I didn't realize how sick I was. And now I am seeing that as I heal, that it's important to be able to incorporate other foods, that it's not a sign of health, that I can only tolerate beef and be fat, and that I don't coach my clients at all. to only have that be their goal. Carnivore is not the goal. carnivore is a tool. It is an elimination diet for you to take out all the noise and get down just to the basics of functioning, heal, and then reintroduce new foods.

Yeah, I mean, and I mean, that was my experience, too. I did it for three years, nowhere near as regimented or disciplined as you've had to be right. And because the ramifications of you Varrick veering from that beef, fat and beef meat, what happens?

Yeah, I get crazy rashes. I get actually had a food injury. I was cooking for my son. And I I had home fried potatoes. And so I literally took the potato out of the bag. That was not, you know, some frozen anything. So I know what was on that potato, and I cooked it in beef tallow. And we were arguing about the best way to make a fry. And so we did a taste test. I should have had him do the taste test. Because I tried three French fries of each of the different ways of cooking the fries that we did. And so that that was nine fries. That's it nine fries. The whole next day, I had depression 24 hours, it bled into the 48 hours. I had depression just from eating white potatoes. So now I know because I'm I'm so aware that that is a foreign experience. It is totally foreign. I hadn't experienced depression for three years. So the second it popped up. I was like I remember, you know, and thankfully, I just went back to eating the meat and fat and it went away. Exactly, yes.

Exactly. Yeah. It's for those that have heard something similar for those that are fans of Jordan Peterson might have come across Makayla Peterson, his daughter, and that that was largely her journey as well, because she had a lot of crippling anxiety. I think she had she was certainly on a lot of the similar medication to you as well. Yeah. Juvenile osteoarthritis, I think had a hip and an ankle removed before she was 17. like hers was. I wouldn't say it was worse. But God, it's both of yours. Were pretty horrendous. Right?

Yeah. Mikayla was actually my four minute mile. There were many times whenever I went to go to the neurologist, and he would yell at me. I mean, he was not nice. And he would tell me, you are being reckless with your health, because I refuse the medication because I didn't have symptoms. I resolved it. I said, your job is just to monitor my MS with MRIs and bloodwork. I will treat my MS. And one time I reached out to Makayla and I said, Am I being reckless? And she said no. She said you have this amazing story and you have no symptoms. You're knocking it out of the park, and I just kept watching her and realizing if Mikayla can do it. If kala can resolve mental illness and autoimmune disease. It's possible. That's all I need to know it's possible. Not, it's definitely going to happen, it's possible that it would happen. And so I really hung in there through the tough times. And then of course, I was able to, you know, send those reports to Michaela and say, my like my last MRI, there was my sixth MRI, and it said, no new ms activity. And I have literally no symptoms, I've had no symptoms of Ms. I do CrossFit every morning at 5am. And I knock it out of the park,

which is one of the most destructive, physical, like exercises you can do for injuries and that kind of thing as well. And I think it just did a big fu to the to your, to your form of body right, and how athletic letting letting letting you down whatever. And McCain has had you as a guest on a podcast, what would have been a couple of times by the time this is, yes, you have a big deal, your big deal, not that you weren't a big deal to begin with, but an even bigger, big deal.

Yes, it's it's so amazing. And I really, I feel so honored. And in this experience is so sacred to me, because I don't want to cry. Because I know that I am one person. And there are 1000s and millions of people that are still in the pit of mental illness, hell, and I gotta go back, I gotta give him hope. Because I had no hope. If I had heard five minutes of someone like me talking, when I was in the pit of mental illness, hell, I think it would have really changed my experience. But I didn't, I didn't hear anyone, all I heard was take this medication, and you're gonna have this medication for the rest of your life, there is no hope for you. That's what I was taught.

How do you think this, this new arsenal of knowledge that you've acquired from learning from the book being from watching Steve, on videos from interacting with him from hearing anecdotes from other people about and how do you think that's going to help you on your journey?

Man, it already has. It already has like exponentially. I mean, you've just witnessed the last two months. But it feels like it's, it's accelerated since I read this book. And one of my favorite things that he put on the back of the book, to put in your mind before you read the book, is who would I need to be to step powerfully into my future. And as I was listening to Steve story, and as I was hearing example, after example, after example, I was just seeing this pattern of power, that literally the circumstances don't matter. The power is within me. It's already there. I don't have to like conjure it up, or like muster it up or like white knuckle it through. It's there. I already exist. And I'm already powerful and amazing. And so it literally doesn't matter what comes my way. I am going to transmute that situation into pure power and love.

If Steve listens to this when he listens to this, and he decides to ring you up. What you probably will. What are you going to what are you going to talk to him about? What's the first thing you'd say?

Is the first thing I would say to Steve Hart is like

forgetting forgetting pleasantries. Thank you for getting all that. What's the what's the, what's the real root of the real question.

The real first thing I'm gonna say to Steve Hardison is whatever comes to my mind in that moment. There's no way that I can rehearse what that conversation will be like, because I'm going to be with Steve Hardison, and whatever comes out of my mouth is exactly what's going to happen.

Great answer. Now, this has been just flying by the seat of our pants, as we often do.

When leaving and Emily gets together

it's it's been a hell of a journey. You said something that really does resonate with me, Emily, and it's that it's that Steve, what I what I've learned from Steve as well, the shortcutting of the process, right like the Polian Hill wrote thinking Grow Rich spoke about the power of the mastermind, you know, and getting 12 minds together and meeting on a regular basis as you learn more in 12 months, and you wouldn't have lifetime, and I can attest to that being involved in a few different masterminds. And I, you know, I was 100 $150, Nat coach, year and a half ago. There's a lot higher, right. And, and it's but it's made me it's made me significantly better. Like, it's, it's 100x me, my rates might have gone up 10. But my, my abilities gone up 100 I think,

oh, yeah, because they show up. Like before, it's so funny, because I showed up before, but I burned out. I was charging $30 for 30 minutes. And I brought it, like I gave 120% to everybody. But I realized that it was a broken model, because they would just come to me one time. And then they would be like, Oh, okay, I got it, I'm cool. And then they would go out on their own, and then they would fall flat on their face. And so now I realized that I need to have people commit and sign up for eight weeks. And to work with me for eight weeks, it's $6,500. And so whenever somebody invest in themselves $6,500 I am lit up, like I know that they are ready for transformation. And so I match them. And I go all in. And the transformations that I'm witnessing are amazing. It's just it's absolutely baffling to me, because I'm so used to being a therapist, where you know, because I worked with adults as well. And it was like Groundhog Day. Like you just sit there and you talk with them. Oh, you know, you're depressed about what your mom said. And yeah, that happened to you as a child. Okay, well, let's do this exercise. And let's talk about this. The next week, we talk about the same thing, no improvement. The next week, we talk about the same thing, no improvement, and then it it just became like, am I a bad therapist. But then I talked to other therapist, and that's just the nature of it. Now I see transformations, people change their, their, literally, their their biology, whenever they remove sugar, and processed foods, and then we're able to do the work. But we gotta get that foundation, first of removing the inflammation out of their brain. If I sit here and talk to somebody about exercises and theories and this and that their eyes gloss over. But if I wait until they're clear mentally, physically, emotionally, spiritually, then we can really get to work. And we can do some phenomenal

things. I think there's something that's really important to highlight as well. And I've witnessed this through through the number of calls that we've had as well, and you've been so helpful for me is this, when you get your health sorted, right, when you when you get your physical health sorted, then the mental and the emotional. And then the spiritual stuff improves, if people only knew how quickly they could shortcut their spiritual growth by sorting out their health, and in you know, I wrote in my book bet on you, for those who haven't had a chance to read it, I talk about this period where I was, I was running. And I completed a number of like, really long distance range runs, like 60 mile runs, and a bit of like eight or nine miles into some of these shorter runs, I was bursting out into tears of joy. And, and it happened for two years, like the body was chelating stored on are in my fat cells that were being burnt off, you know. And as I did that and got healthier, my pineal gland must have decalcified or, you know, whatever is caught on here. And which you know, which it did something happens because I became a lot more on shoots and my intuition went through the roof, my my ability to be empathetic, infinitely improved. Like there's so many things that happen that were unexplainable at the time, and it makes perfect sense now, like, I was numbed out to the, to the pain of whatever was going on. So what are your thoughts on that? Yeah, and

I think a lot of people could read a book like the ultimate coach, and if they're sitting on the couch, like elbow deep and a bag of Doritos, and a plateful of donuts and cake, and there, they can miss so much. Because they're just literally controlled like food cravings. That's my favorite thing about this is that I don't think When I think about food, like, I have food freedom, like I eat my meat, I eat my fat. And then I go about my day. Like, I'm not like, oh, it's it's been two hours since I ate, maybe I should go eat some peanut butter. And maybe I should go like, get a coffee or get a doughnut, like you're just clear. And so that I think, is the most powerful thing is that now I can read a book, like Steve Hardison, and I can absorb it, and I can be fully present. I'm not sitting there thinking about how, you know, something happened when I was a child, or this or that. I'm, I'm being, I'm literally being in that moment reading that book. And what people can accomplish is exponential, when they can clear off the noise in their brain and their body.

I'm gonna throw you under the bus here, Emily, let's go with an evil idea. It's not really evil, but it's like a good kind of fun. Naughty. Okay, you can do it. What's one area of improvement that you would recommend to Steve, if you had FaceTime? What's one area that he could be could improve on?

I think that he is limiting himself a little bit by not recording himself speak. He is holding back. Very needed love from millions of millions of millions of people that will never be on his doorstep, that will never have his cell phone number that they need to feel his love. And they will never feel His love unless he records it.

Wow, that is great. I was starting to regret asking that question. You're the first person I've asked this, by the way. And I'm really glad I did. That is so good. Why don't I got Steve here listening? I got pissed that you didn't record the ultimate coach in your voice. Right. And I get it. I think it's 17 hours. It's a long book. And it's a lot of effort. And maybe, I don't know, it'd be interesting to know why. And I mean, when you think about what's happened in the last 18 months, like he really was an enigma. He didn't exist anywhere. And you know, it's common that he turned down being on The Oprah Winfrey Show. Other podcasters bloody show, right? You get a car and you get a cut. Like, how many people have turned down? Oprah Winfrey, I wouldn't say many, like you and I have. I might be the world's best carriage coach. But that is courageous. Right? So maybe maybe this is an interesting call to action. Steve, if this if this resonates with you, because I agree with you. I think it's a really great observation. I think it's the perfect answer. Either. People would love to know, maybe why not? If you're not, if that's something that you're willing to share? And if it is something that you like, you know what the time is not. Maybe it's time to, to do a create a podcast, just with you doing a little monologues or little social media things. I don't know, just an idea.

Well, and I think we don't understand his power to there's no way there's no way that we could fully understand. And that's what that's one of the themes in the book is people were like, I don't know what it is. But there's power there and Steve Hardison. And so for us to make be on the outside making a judgement. We literally don't know what it takes to protect that power. And so it's very possible that he is operating at his full capacity. But I would encourage him to just think a little bit about just a little, just a little bit. Just ask if I can do I have the capacity to record a five minute message? Maybe, like maybe you do have the capacity to record maybe it's not going to kill you. It's not going to drain you is doing a pot promising that you're going to do a podcast an hour every day for the rest of your life. Yeah, that's training that would be ridiculous. Like no, no, don't drain Steve Hardison. But just to let us get a drop of that Wellspring that is coming out of Steve Hardison and just letting someone hit record on something that he already would have said anyway, just for five minutes and just see See how that feels? I'm

so excited to see which direction guys, and I'm sorry, stay under the bus like, you know, I love you, brother. It's so great. Emily for I think it's really important. I mean, you've you've certainly touched a lot on, on how you help people. But how do people get in contact with you?

The best way to get in contact with me is through Emily penton.com. And it's just like a pen that weighs a ton p e n, t o n. And if you go now, the very top button, I'm in the middle of writing a book. And you can get free registry into that launch. And I am going to do a free Zoom meeting for everyone who registers to be in basically be informed whenever I launched the book. And I'm gonna have a Zoom meeting just for you guys. And you can ask me any question.

So good. I cannot wait. This book is well, this. So this will be this will be at 2023. Right?

Yes. That's the plan. Yeah,

yeah, it will. It will. Now you committed Emily patten.com. I I'm a huge fan. I cannot recommend more highly what you are putting out to the world. You got some amazing free content as well. I know you're, I know your heart. I know you are genuine and real. There's not many people that I can single out that are reliable, you know, in a world of flakiness that we've spoken about off camera and a few other people that I've spoken to recently talking about showing up when I played mask as a buyer Steve Hardison is the CEO of keep Infusionsoft podcasts. He was released recently with Meredith bell on the ultimate coach podcast and talking about the power of showing up and committing like it's, it's it's so required in this world right now, because there's so much of the opposite. So how do you fix it? Well, you start changing the world by changing yourself. Right? So that's, that's one of the many things I love about you and so grateful that you that you were happy to come on and share some of your path, powerful testimony, throw Steve under the bus and get a great interview. In the meantime, do you have any concluding thoughts for our amazing audience today?

Absolutely. But I'm going to steal it from Steve. The best part about this book about me is that it is endless.

Ladies and gentlemen, Emily Penton.