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Our guest this time is Dale Young. Other than ten years in Australia, Dale has spent his entire life in Texas. Mostly he worked in the IT world starting right out of college. Even in college in 1972 he was attracted to computers. He worked in the computer world for more than 30 years.
As Dale will describe, he experienced a life-changing event that occurred to him in 1992 that changed the entire direction of his world. However, it was many years before he recognized this life-changing event. Dale will tell us all about this.
Dale has an interesting and very positive coaching program he will describe. I think you will see that what he offers is relevant to consider.
About the Guest:
Dale inspires Christian Entrepreneurs to Step Into Their Calling. He helps them clarify their Calling and turn their business into a purpose-driven mission using proven Biblical principles and the latest research on brain science. Identity answers “Who are you at your deep core level?” Dale uses CliftonStrengths, Spiritual Gifts, and Values assessments along with other reflection tools to help you answer this question. Community answers “Who are you with, who supports you?” Calling answers “Why are you here, in this place at this time?” Dale is certified with several assessments and has multiple coaching qualifications, including WeAlign Executive Coach and the International Coach Federation (ICF) Professional Certified Coach (PCC). Dale volunteers with several Christian non-profits including Follower Of One and the Faith Driven Entrepreneurs. Dale is a native Texan and currently lives west of Fort Worth. Dale is a member of Solid Rock Church. Dale is a two-time #1 bestselling author. Next Level Your Life was released January 24th, 2023 and hit #1 in 31 categories, including international. The Transformational Journey was released October 10th, 2023 and hit #1 in 60 categories including several international.
Ways to connect with Dale:
Email: Dale@CoachDale.com Website: www.CoachDale.com LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachdale/ Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CoachDaleYoung
About the Host:
Michael Hingson is a New York Times best-selling author, international lecturer, and Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe. Michael, blind since birth, survived the 9/11 attacks with the help of his guide dog Roselle. This story is the subject of his best-selling book, Thunder Dog.
Michael gives over 100 presentations around the world each year speaking to influential groups such as Exxon Mobile, AT&T, Federal Express, Scripps College, Rutgers University, Children’s Hospital, and the American Red Cross just to name a few. He is Ambassador for the National Braille Literacy Campaign for the National Federation of the Blind and also serves as Ambassador for the American Humane Association’s 2012 Hero Dog Awards.
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Michael Hingson ** 00:00 Access Cast and accessiBe Initiative presents Unstoppable Mindset. The podcast where inclusion, diversity and the unexpected meet. Hi, I'm Michael Hingson, Chief Vision Officer for accessiBe and the author of the number one New York Times bestselling book, Thunder dog, the story of a blind man, his guide dog and the triumph of trust. Thanks for joining me on my podcast as we explore our own blinding fears of inclusion unacceptance and our resistance to change. We will discover the idea that no matter the situation, or the people we encounter, our own fears, and prejudices often are our strongest barriers to moving forward. The unstoppable mindset podcast is sponsored by accessiBe, that's a c c e s s i capital B e. Visit www.accessibe.com to learn how you can make your website accessible for persons with disabilities. And to help make the internet fully inclusive by the year 2025. Glad you dropped by we're happy to meet you and to have you here with us. Michael Hingson ** 01:21 Well, howdy, everyone, this is your host, Mike Hinkson, and you are listening to unstoppable mindset. We're really glad that you're here. Thanks for being here, wherever you happen to be today, we get to talk today with Dale Young who as as he would tell you, he inspires Christian entrepreneurs, which I think is great, and he's a coach. He does a number of things relating to all that. And I'm really going to be very interested to hear how he got to doing what he does and exactly what he does. He's also written two books that have been very successful. Both have been published within the last few months, and they're both doing very well, so I think that's kind of cool as well. So Dale, want to welcome you to unstoppable mindset, and thanks very much for being here. Well, thank Dale Young ** 02:10 you, Michael. I'm honored to be here. Well, Michael Hingson ** 02:14 why don't we start, as I love to do, by hearing kind of, maybe, about the early Dale, growing up and some of that sort of stuff. Dale Young ** 02:21 Early Dale, well, let's see. I was born raised in I was born and raised in Amarillo, Texas. So I'm a native Texan. I've lived in Texas all my life, except for 10 years in Australia, which I'm sure we'll get to at some point. But first 18 years was in Amarillo Texas, sort Michael Hingson ** 02:38 of, sort of, born on Route 66 Dale Young ** 02:42 huh? Yep. Was, was basically had a pretty normal childhood. I was a geek or a nerd before geeks and nerds were popular, so I was in the math and science club and I was in the chess club in high school. So there you go. That gives you a little bit of background for Michael Hingson ** 03:05 me. Yeah, I, I never did end up in the chess club, but I was in the Math Club and the science club, and I was on the mathletes, which was our math competition thing. And I actually got a letter for being on the mathletes, which was I never expected to get that but during our senior awards assembly, I got a letter. So I thought that was pretty cool. That's pretty cool. So I guess that made me eligible for the Letterman club, except I graduated. So what do you do? Story of my life? Dale Young ** 03:35 Anyway, High School. The best teacher I had in high school was Mrs. Billy love, and she taught physics, and so I went off to college to be in physics. Aha, yeah. And I know that's very close to your background there, Michael Hingson ** 03:53 right? My, my master's is in physics, yeah. Dale Young ** 03:57 So anyway, I got into physics at UT, Austin, and I found that it was a little bit tough. And I was probably, it was probably tough because I was falling in love with computers at the time. Yeah. What year was this? This was 1972 Michael Hingson ** 04:17 okay, yep, yeah. Dale Young ** 04:18 I i was actually, I was actually going there started out as a physics major, but because I had not had calculus in high school, because I was in one of the more slower high schools in the Amarillo area, they said, Well, you can't take a real physics course because you haven't had calculus, even though I'd had two semesters of physics, and I really knew all the calculus. I just didn't know that I knew all the calculus. And so they put me in this this course that they called physical simulation via computer. And so we worked all these calculus like problems during using the computer programming. And I found that I loved it. And so I went on as kind of doing a lot in physics and a lot in computer science for about a year, year and a half, something like that. And game count came down to a time when I made a B in physics and an A in computer science. And I looked at the employment prospects for things, and I said, Hmm, maybe I should change majors here. So so I went over into computer science and loved it, made, made tremendous progress in that actually had the privilege of actually working as a computer programmer on campus while I was still an undergraduate, and that was a really big deal, because I got to drive my car on campus and all kinds of good stuff like that. Michael Hingson ** 05:49 What computers were you using back then? Dale Young ** 05:51 They were basically, I started with Data General, Nova computers, many computers, many computers, right? The computer science profession was, you know, the computer. Most of the computer science people were doing card punches and submitting it to a mainframe with it was a control data computer, CDC computer, yeah. And so it was one of the big, big dogs. And so when I switched to computer science and I took my first computer science class, they actually said, Well, you got you got to do it via punch cards. And I did my first assignment to be a punch cards. And I said, this is not cool. I don't like doing this because I'd already had the stuff with doing the mini computer. So I talked to some buddies and found out I could do the assignment on the minicomputer and submitted to the big computer, get the results back, and then everything, you know, debug it multiple times, and then actually just submit it for once and get the printout. And I was done. And so I didn't actually have to use the computer the punch card decks. And so that was, that was my back door around it, and that was one of the reasons I made straight A's in computer science, is because I could do things about 10 times faster than most of the other computer science people there. Michael Hingson ** 07:10 Yeah, I remember going to UC Irvine in 1968 and most everything at that time was done on the mainframe, which we had was an IBM 360 and then for the more advanced computer users, they had a PDP 10, the deck PDP 10, which I got to eventually play with a little bit. But for me, the big problem was that there wasn't an interface that was accessible. I kind of figured out a few workarounds to do some stuff on the computer, but it was not really available. A friend who I met because he started this project learning from the computer science people that I wasn't able to access the computer, he did some research, and he figured out a way to develop a computer terminal. And the computer terminal used, let's see, I want to make sure I do it right. It was a PDP 8e mini computer that would take the information from the computer and translate it into code that would drive a printer that was specially modified the shop on campus modified it according to specs to be able to produce some Braille, but it required the computer to translate it. So all of my work, whenever I wanted to use a computer, once we figured that out was I had to go in, activate the PDPA and turn on, of course, the printer, well, it was a terminal, not a printer, and so it would emboss Braille on regular paper, so it wasn't even Braille, so it wasn't anything that I would keep, and it worked, but it was still just kind of a real challenge. So for me, computers, although I love them and did as much as I could and learned as much as I could with them, weren't as usable back in those days. Yeah. Dale Young ** 09:20 Well anyway, after changing majors, I still graduated in three years and two summer schools, and that was basically because I had to take a foreign language and so I had to concentrate on the summer schools to get the foreign language stuff in. What did you take? And German of all things. Yeah, I thought it was going to be useful in the computer science world, but it really wasn't. So haven't ever really used it or followed up on that. Yeah, yeah. And so anyway, went back to Amarillo and got a job on for the city of Amarillo on an IBM 360 mainframe. Mm hmm, doing IBM assembly language. Did a little bit of COBOL, just enough to know that I didn't like cobalt. Yeah, Michael Hingson ** 10:08 I hear you probably, Dale Young ** 10:09 I probably learned probably three dozen computer languages by the time I graduated college. I did better with Fortran, yeah. Well, my first language was basic, and my second one was Pascal, and my third one was Fortran, so Michael Hingson ** 10:23 yeah, and I learned basic as well. Yeah, they were all good. Dale Young ** 10:28 But anyway, was in back in Amarillo for about eight months, got an offer to go back to Austin and work for a actually worked for the boss that I had worked for as a programmer on campus, he had started his own startup company, and he had bought one of these data general Nova computers, and was doing business systems on it. And so I went back and worked for him for a couple of years, then moved over to another local firm there in Austin called radian. They did a lot of atmospheric type of scientific stuff using many computers. So I did that. And after that, I got an offer to move to Dallas, to eventually move to Australia, and that was all because of my data general expertise and background. So came to Dallas for about a year and a half, got my security clearance as part of that, and then went down to Australia in January of 1982 was there for three years, came back to the states for two years and then went back to Australia for seven years after that. So, yeah. Michael Hingson ** 11:47 So what did you do in Australia? What was the reason for going down there? Dale Young ** 11:51 So the company I was working for was e systems. It's a defense contractor right now, part of Raytheon, right? And so it was all government work at that point. Michael Hingson ** 12:02 Yeah, wow. So, so was it just you? Did you have a family by then? Dale Young ** 12:09 I actually got married in 1983 halfway through that first three years. But I got married to a lady from Dallas. So you know, it was another person that I'd known before, so got married there, and, yeah, we actually never had any kids, so it was just the two of us for quite a while that eventually ended up in divorce in 2016 I'm a parent a little bit later. Yeah, yeah. So anyway, but yeah, had a great time in Australia, both the the first time and the second time. Actually made the Northern Territory volleyball team during the first tour, and that was great. And, you know, made a lot of friends in Australia, had a lot of travel around Australia, did quite a few things in terms of work. But during that time, the thing I was most proud of was I took a I took a system. They actually sent me down there in January 82 to support a system that had not been developed by you systems. It was developed by another government contractor. And they sent a, you know, they installed it in January 82 got it mostly signed off in, think, March of 82 and then they were, they had somebody stay over for another month or so, but after that, it was me. I was the sole support for that new system, and I was also the trainer for that new system. I was teaching all the old people that had not known this system at all. I was teaching them how to use it and support it and such like that and so. So it was lot of responsibility, but one of the big things I did was one program in particular that just was not working at all, and when you printed it out, because this is the day in the days of the green bar computer print out 132 column readouts and such like that. That thing was probably about six inches thick when you printed it out that program, yeah, and I worked through it, and I looked at it, and I it was basically a mess. I ended up just basically throwing away and rewriting it. And it ended up about an inch and a half and print out when it was done. And about half of that was the comments that had been all the changes that were recorded at the front of the program. So I really simplified that program a lot, and it all worked. And it. Work the way the users wanted it to work. So it was, it was a really significant win, and I don't think they ever had any more problems with that problem with that program. So that was one of the things I was most proud of about my Australia, Australia time was being able to make a significant contribution and to change like that. So Michael Hingson ** 15:19 kind of probably the thing that you remember the most, are you the most proud of when you were in the IT world? Dale Young ** 15:25 No, not in the whole IT world, but that was definitely in the Australia time. So yeah. So after Australia came back and got a different job as CEO CI CIO of a little company. It had like a four people to IT team. So CIO was just a title, and in title, not in fact, type of thing. Worked there for a couple of years, and then got into computer consulting for a couple of years, then worked for another company for a year, and then started with, with the people I've been with, we actually started a startup company in 2000 in the technology industry. And you say, dot bomb type of thing. That was not a really good time, but our company actually did really well. It was a combination of selling computer hardware. We were a sun microsystem dealer, so we sold computer hardware, and by that time, I was a database expert. So I was installing Oracle databases on the Sun Microsystems and installing the sun OS as well spark stations and so on. Yeah, so operating systems and databases, and I was VP of that startup company. And we went from, I don't know, just a few $1,000 of startup funds to, I don't know, I think it was several million dollars of actual revenue. And we hit number 10 on the entrepreneur, fastest growing companies in the US for the year 2000 so that was applied Solutions Incorporated. And then in 2002 we opened a Houston office, and we hit number 23 on that entrepreneur fastest 100 list. And so then in 2003 we had some internal struggles, some leadership struggles, and some other things. And in 2004 we actually ended up having to shut the company down. So yeah, so it was a real roller coaster ride from 2000 to 2004 Michael Hingson ** 17:34 I remember working with sun spark stations. I worked for a company that actually developed a pizza box that looked just like a spark station, except it had hot plug removable disk drives in it. Oh, wow. Okay, and and so for Wall Street, for example, they could either have our system stacked right on top of or right below the spark station so it didn't take up any more room on a desk, but people could pull out disks and put in different disks, so everybody had their own assigned disk, for example. And we also did that with other organizations, some government contractors or some government agencies that we can't really talk about, but they used it too, which, again, was the advantage was it was essentially a zero footprint, except for going up two or three inches. Yeah, which was cool. Yeah, Dale Young ** 18:29 that was pretty cool. So then 2004 we shut that company down. I went to, went to Stonebridge technologies, and started building, started doing kind of the same things, hardware, databases, operating systems. And one thing I didn't mention, the guy that actually hired me in 1996 he was kind of my friend and mentor. His name's Gary Todd. He was president of applied solutions. I was vice president. And then when we switched over to Stonebridge, he was, he was a vice president and a division lead, division president, and I was working for him, we built up that division, and then 2006 sold a managed services, a database managed services contract, to a client in Houston. This was, you know, we were based in the DFW area, Dallas, Fort Worth area, and sold it to this client in Houston. So I was on the I was down in Houston four days a week for quite a while on, you know, getting that thing spun up and supported in the team built and all that sort of stuff. That contract went annual in 2007 right? Yeah, 2007 went annual for over a million dollars a year. And considering Stonebridge. Was a $12 million annual revenue company in 2006 we got quite a bit of attention in our division because of that so but ended up that after finally left stone bridge in 2021 and we still had a managed database managed services contract with that client in Houston. And, you know, for a managed services contract to last more than five years is a pretty big deal, and this one lasted at least 14 so I was, I was proud of the team that I built, that we built through that time. Wow, that's the thing I would say was the most impressive about my whole IT career, Michael Hingson ** 20:45 yeah, you you had it, and it lasted for quite a while, which is really pretty cool. What caused you to leave? Dale Young ** 20:51 Well, so really 2004 because of the changes with applied solutions and some other stuff. I went through some experiential based training, which really opened me up to the whole personal development side. I'd already been kind of in that mode, okay? I've been learning a lot more about teamwork and following John Maxwell and such like that. This, this training I went through in 2004 really opened me up to being more on the personal side, personal connections, all of that. And then in 2007 I started, well, 2006 2007 I started volunteering for that organization and really learning more about the emotional side of human beings and how to really build relationships and things like that. 2007 I end of 2007 I actually take a course with a guy from that organization about life coaching. I'd never heard of life coaching before that never knew that it was such a thing and but I kind of fell in love with it, and I started doing some research on it. Found out that I what I could find at the time in 2007 on the internet was not, I couldn't find anything that really brought in a spiritual aspect. And we'll go back and talk about the spiritual journey in just a second, probably, but the whole spiritual aspect was not there that I could find. And so I said, Well, this is not for me, and I put it on the shelf. I did get certified in a personality assessment called core map, which was similar to disc and in some ways similar to Myers Briggs, and I'd always had lots of disc tests assigned to me, you know, and I'd always came out one particular way, and I was always interested in, well, why does this work so well for me, you know? I know for some people, it doesn't work so well. So what's the difference? And so I got certified in this core map assessment and started doing some of those things on the side. And then in 2009 I'm walking through Half Price Books, and this book falls off the shelf and locks me on the head, figuratively, anyway. And the book is actually titled Christian coaching, and it's like, okay, this is what I've been looking for. And this Christian coaching book led me to follow a guy named Christopher McCluskey, and he invited me to take a coaching course in January, 2011 and I took that course, and I just fell in love with coaching, so I'm working full time in it until 2016 but I'm doing coaching from 2011 to 2016 in a part time mode. And then in 2016 I've been asking Stonebridge to go to part time, if that could work out. They came to me with about two weeks notice and said, We think you ought to start the first of April, going to part time. And I said, Okay, let's do it. And so from 2016 to 2021 I'm doing part time with Stonebridge and building my coaching practice full time. And so that's really how I got out of the whole IT side of things. Michael Hingson ** 24:16 So by 2021 How did the pandemic affect all of that for you? Dale Young ** 24:21 Since most of what I was doing on the IT side was already remote, I really didn't have any changes or problems on the IT side at that point anyway, and on the coaching side, I'd always been doing a lot of coaching remotely anyway, because that saved me on travel time and everything else. I had a paid Zoom account since 2015 so I've been on zoom from the fairly early days of zoom. And so a lot of the stuff that I did when the pandemic came out actually just reemphasized some of the stuff that I was doing in the coaching. And why I was being drawn to what I'm drawn to now, which I'll say is just the calling. I feel like calling is bigger than career or passion or mission or even purpose. Calling is just a spiritual pull that draws you forward. So I was I was in the beginning stages of pull up, putting some of that ideas and some of that framework together, working on some of the stuff that I work on now around identity and community, was always a big piece of what I was doing. But the calling piece really, really gelled and really came together, really in 2021, 2022, for me. And so that piece has been that's fairly recent piece for me. Michael Hingson ** 25:50 Well, you talk about the fact that there is a life changing event that you experienced, but you didn't recognize it for a long time. Dale Young ** 25:59 Yeah, that was back in 1992 and that was actually before I was Christian. So I was actually raised in a non Christian household. We didn't go to church or anything. I had prayed the prayer back in 79 but I really had no life change. Really had nothing to to inform me or anything like that. But in 1992 kind of towards the end of my time in Australia, and we're we're making some crazy money. I mean, it's like 54% on base salary and lots of benefits and lots of travel and all this sort of stuff. And the government says that they're going to start taxing some of the benefits. And there's a bunch of us that are around this table at lunchtime, and we're all complaining about this tax, you know, now, the taxes, you know, like two or 3% on the bonuses that we're actually getting here, you know. So it's a fairly minor amount, but none of us are acknowledging that fact, and out of my mouth as we're as we're complaining as I'm in there complaining, out of my mouth comes this phrase, and the phrase is, well, maybe we really shouldn't complain, after all, this is just a job, not a career. And it was in that moment that my heart finally got through to my head that I was made for something bigger and something more. And was at that point that it was like, Okay, I need to, I need to pay attention to this. It was almost like a coaching moment, but it was self coaching. You know, I recognized this phrase as something that was important for me to know and pay attention to. And so I took that phrase, and within year and a half or two years, I'm back in the States. I'm not making crazy money. I've switched to careers and all that sort of stuff. And you've heard about the career side of things, so at that point, so we're back in the States. You know my wife that we never had kids together. We're having a few struggles. And in 1997 we start going to church. Because I'd prayed this prayer back in 79 but had never been to church. So, you know, just was getting back into or getting into the total church community, learning a little bit about the Bible and the church and such like that. And in 1998 I'm at a funeral, and there was a church member who signed at OD, and I'm at the funeral, and it was something about the funeral and the way the gospel was presented at that point that made me really set up and take notice. And it was like, Okay, I need to really turn my life over to Christ at this point. And so I did, and I started getting discipled, getting mentored. I still think back on the days when I was being mentored once a week by Greg Boyd. He was a great guy. And, you know, he just poured, poured into me. And that was part of what led me towards the whole personal development and the whole growth and all the other stuff that was going on at that point, you know, in the 2000s and 2004 and 2007 so, you know, it was the but that phrase back in 1992 you know, this is just a job. Yeah, it was like, okay, that's, that's a key thing. I'm listening to my heart for the first time in my life, maybe. And that was something that was really a significant turning point that I didn't even think of as a turning point until, I don't know, probably, probably 2025, years later. So you know, but it led me on that journey that led me now, eventually, to the calling. Michael Hingson ** 29:54 So now, though you coach full time, do you coach full time? Do you. Coach people from all over. Or, how does that work? Dale Young ** 30:02 I have coached people in Germany, yeah, via zoom, so, yeah, I coach people all over. You know, a lot of what I do is relational. A lot of what I do is based on identity. And I use the, I use several assessments, but I use the Clifton Strengths, or what's known as the old strength finder assessment, to help people really understand how God created them and how God wired them, because that assessment's got 34 talents for somebody to have the same top five talents in the same order as somebody else in the world. Chances are one in 33 million. So it's pretty unique, you know, I think of the I think in the top 10, it's one in 421 trillion, or something like that. You know, there's only 8 billion people on the planet, right? So, you know, you're going to be unique in in the way that you're that God has wired you and put these talents together in you, and so with that process, you know, helping people, walking people through that system, and helping them understand, this is how God puts you together. This is God, how God wired you. He gave you these talents. He gave you spiritual gifts, if you're a Christian, and those are unique as well. How they show up in your life is unique. And so I, you know, I really think that your your identity, is your superpower, and that's what it that's what you really have to focus on, is being the best you you can be. And that's one, that's one, a third of the system that I put together. That's the identity piece. Michael Hingson ** 31:46 Well, tell me more about sort of the whole system and and what you coach, and how you coach, and then clearly, you bring a a Christian element into it. How is that received? Well, Dale Young ** 31:58 it's received pretty well by Christians, and not so well by the general public sometimes. But you know, that's okay, God is God has called me to coach these people, and so that's what I'm focusing on doing. Michael Hingson ** 32:14 You can only do what you can do. Yeah, that's right, Dale Young ** 32:17 the second third. The first third is the identity piece, which I've talked about. The second third is the community piece. The fact is, we were all built to be in community, just like God is a trendy and is exist in community. You know, eternally, we're, we're designed to be in community. You know, you've probably heard the the statistics about kids that are raised, you know, babies and infants that are raised in a environment where they're given all the food and their diapers are changed and all that sort of stuff, but they're not given any physical touch, or they're not given any talking to or any love or anything like that, they end up warped, right? They end up as not developed well. And that's just, is an expression of how important community is to to us. And so bringing in a community of people, like minded community, like minded people that are all moving in the same direction. That's what I love to build, and that's what I am in the process of building now is, is a community of people like that. And then the third component is what I call the calling piece. And the calling piece, I've got a framework which is basically four four circles. You can think of as a Venn diagram of four circles calling is the intersection of all four of them, and that Venn diagram, the first one is, what provides income. Okay, so what provides income? You know, what puts the paycheck in the back, what provides for your physical needs, those types of things that is important, but that's also the piece that is often most disconnected from the other three for a lot of people. Michael Hingson ** 34:11 Why is that? Dale Young ** 34:13 I think people get into jobs and they're too scared to change the job, even though they know it's not right for them, they they have a sense of safety or security in that job, or it's what they were told that they should be doing all along. Are, you know, several other reasons, but you know, it basically gets down lots of times to they haven't looked at trying to bring that more into their calling. Now, the second key is what I call abilities that others affirm. I use the cliftonstrengths Because a lot of times you'll see that over, over the lifetime you've been affirmed for certain things. But. You maybe dismiss them, or you maybe discounted them. One of the things that it revealed to me, for example, was connectedness. I am a very connected person. I like to make new people, meet new people. I like to go deep with new people. I like to see how people are connected. You know, like Michael, I think I've already introduced a couple of people to you for your podcast, because it's such a great fit. So that's the connectedness showing up. For the longest time I did not recognize that, even though people told me I was doing okay, but seeing it in black and white and being coached through it, it was something that it was like, oh, okay, I guess I really have done this, and people have told me that. So that abilities that others affirm, it also keeps you the people, you know, it's, it's the American Idol syndrome. You know, where people who can't sing on American Idol, and they find out they can't sing type of thing, right? You know, if people tell you that you can do something, it's much more likely you actually are pretty good at it. Yeah, yeah. And then the third key is, what makes your heart cry? This would be something that oftentimes has happened because of something in your past, and I'll use you as an example here, Michael, what makes your heart cry? And I see, I see this in your life is dealing with disabilities. I mean, you're doing a podcast here about disabilities and inclusion, and, you know, unexpectedness, all that sort of stuff, that that is something that's very near and dear to your heart, because it's affected you directly. Okay, what makes my heart cry is entrepreneurs that have failing businesses. I want to help those entrepreneurs succeed in their business, because that that first time with applied solutions, when we had to go out of business after having, you know, three, four successful years. That was a heartbreak for me. Yeah, you know now another piece that makes my heart cry, but not as much, is my divorce, which we never got to but we'll talk about that later. That's another, another piece that makes my heart cry. Michael Hingson ** 37:20 You're You're welcome to talk about that well. Dale Young ** 37:23 So after we went to church in 1997 and I got baptized in 98 and then we went through this experiential learning in 2004 I thought we had the best years of our marriage. I really did, but somewhere out of nowhere, in 2011 or 2012 my wife starts asking for a divorce, and it's like, I don't I still don't know exactly where she was coming from, other than she was. I don't even know if I can speculate, but I think she was afraid of me living leaving the IT career, because she saw how happy I was in the coaching side. I think that's my speculation. I don't know if that's true or not, but anyway, we tried to, I tried very hard to save the marriage, and, you know, we went through little bit counseling, and we went through some stuff, but there was several times where she said, Nope, this is done. I'm moving moving away. And she moved off to Tennessee, where her family had grown up. And then, you know, a few months later, should move back, and then a few months later, should move back to Tennessee. Anyway. This went on for several times, and finally, knew that it was over on September 11 of 2015 we had gone to see would. Should been back in town with gone on a date, and we went to see the movie War Room, which is all about, you know, praying your way back to a healthy marriage is really the way I described that, that that movie in a nutshell. And I was thinking there, wow, this is exactly what we need. We need to pray our way back to a healthy marriage. And just after that movie, she said she's leaving for Tennessee the next day, and really broke my heart. And so six months later, the divorce was final. Divorce was final on March 7, and my boss comes to me, my boss at Stonebridge comes to me a week or two later and says, We think April 1 is a good time for you to go to part time in your IT career. And I'm going, well financially, it's not a really good time. But, you know, I'm not going to turn down this chance, you know, because I felt like God was opening the door, and so I went ahead and stepped through it, and I don't regret it, but I did have some hard financial. Years after that. So, yeah, yeah, Michael Hingson ** 40:03 things happen. And yeah, it's it's interesting, not knowing your wife at all, and you know, just listening to your story. The thing that strikes me in general about a lot of the things that that you've said, not specifically about you or anyone in particular, is we so choose not to or are afraid to take time every day to analyze ourselves, look at what went well, what didn't go well, and how we can deal with what didn't go well, or even what did go well, and how can we do it better. I'm a firm believer in the whole concept of introspection, and it's something that we should do. And again, this isn't a comment about you, but it's just something that crossed my mind to say that so many people don't, and we never really get deep into what's going on in our lives. And clearly, you did, you have, you have, you've taken some major steps, and you've thought about it a lot over the years, and it was a major step to go out in faith, to change careers, but I gathered that you would say you're really Happy and doing well now, Dale Young ** 41:20 yep, I am and, you know, as of, as of June 2021, I am married to my new bride, and we are extremely happy, and I've inherited four kids and the three, sorry, three kids and four grandkids through that new marriage. And so that's that's been wonderful to, you know, be able to have some other people to pour into now. So, Michael Hingson ** 41:46 so do you subscribe to the theory that the purpose of being a grandfather is to spoil grandkids? Dale Young ** 41:52 I believe that with all my heart, yes, I do good thing. Michael Hingson ** 41:59 If somebody ever told me, No, I think I'd not really understand why, but yeah, we we never had kids, just lot of things from a physical standpoint for her, she was concerned about it being in a wheelchair her whole life. She just felt it wouldn't be good for her body. But what we also did was we spoiled nieces and nephews and great nieces and great nephews and so on. So we we live vicariously that way. But you know the advantages, of course, just like with being a grandparent, at the end of the day, you can throw them out and send them home. Dale Young ** 42:36 That's right, hype them up on sugar and send them home for somebody else to deal with them, right? Michael Hingson ** 42:40 That's right. So it works, works really well, yeah. Dale Young ** 42:46 So anyway, so, yeah, it's, you know, it's been a wild ride. I will say that I felt like in 2004 when I went through that experiential based training. Before that, I would have said that I was probably a an emotional infant and an emotional, a relational infant. I really didn't understand relationships or emotions the way I do now. Now I don't think it was quite true. I think I actually started learning even going back to 92 I think that was part of what I was part of. What led to that statement of, this is just a job, not a career. I think I was glimmering and and growing a little bit. But that time in 2004 2005 and the volunteering I did after that, it really just supercharged it, and that, that's one of the reasons why I say, I say the community is one of the big three components of my coaching now, is that you gotta bring in the relational aspect. Michael Hingson ** 43:57 But it's pretty insightful that you, you said, and, and I can understand why it took a while to really understand the full significance of it, but it's just a job, not a career, that is a pretty profound statement, and I think all too often, so many of us are just doing a job and we don't find maybe what our career really ought to be, or what our career really is, or maybe we view it as a job, and it really is our career. Again, it gets back to really taking the time to think about it and analyze it, and it's something that we all ought to do a lot more of but it is, I think, really important to have that thing that you really love to do. And I agree with the people who say that it's not a job when you're just having fun and you just really enjoy doing it, and the time passes by so quickly. Yeah. Dale Young ** 45:00 Yeah, exactly, exactly. And that really gets to the fourth key of my four key system for the calling, which is the desires of your heart. I think it's Psalm 37 if I remember right, that says something about you know, God will follow the Lord, and he'll give you the desires of your heart. That's a paraphrase. But you know, in my way of thinking, God wired you and created you, not only with your talents and your spiritual gifts and things like that, your hair color, your eye color, you know, all these types of things, but he also put in the desires of your heart, and those are the things that are wired in you, deep within you. Proverbs, 20, verse five says a the passions and a person's heart are like deep water, but the but a person of understanding will draw them out. And that's actually a pretty nice coaching verse. You know, I think coaches can come alongside of you and help you recognize when you say those statements, like, it's just a job, not a career. They can help you when you are just rattling on and you say, Oh yeah, I love to do this. And you go, Wait a minute. Why? What did you just say? Oh, yeah, I love to do this. What does that say about your desires of your heart? You know? What does it say about your passion and about your mission? You know, those types of things. So that's, that's the kind of the calling framework. It's got those four keys and custom intersections and things like that. But you put those four keys together that provides the basis for my coaching program through the calling piece, which is the third piece of my whole coaching system. Michael Hingson ** 46:52 Well, and I asked you before, if you you know how people receive your coaching, it seems to me, although you know you, I'm sure you bring God into it and Jesus into it, and so on, but you're teaching basic concepts that should be acceptable to anyone. But of course, as soon as you talk about God or Jesus, they're going to be people who just tune it out. Oh, that's Christian. I don't believe in that. The concepts, though, are still the same. Dale Young ** 47:24 Well, the concepts of the Bible are still the same. You know, almost everybody steals something from the Bible, whether they realize it or not. So, so from that point of view, yeah, I totally agree. I just want people, and I'm open to working with non Christians. Don't get me wrong. Yeah, they, they have to. They have to be able to be respectful to me the way that I'm respectful to them. And they have to know that I am a Christian. And if you put me, I'm probably Christian, you know. And so I'm going to use Bible verses, because I do. I do believe in it. I don't always have to put the reference on them, you know, I don't have to be in your face with about it. But it is something that, if I'm speaking to Christians, they get it a little bit more if I do, Michael Hingson ** 48:15 if they, if they know the Bible, right? Yeah. Well, Dale Young ** 48:19 these are, these are these are principles. These are things that are common to everybody, because they're common to humans, sure, Michael Hingson ** 48:29 and in reality, of course, a lot of the well, most all of the principles are common, even among all religions, if we would, but recognize that. But we get bound up in too many things and get into too many arguments that that really don't make any sense at all, but nevertheless, we do it. Dale Young ** 48:53 Yeah, that's that's part of what makes us human as well. Michael Hingson ** 48:57 Yeah, so I've heard. So what are you most passionate about today? Dale Young ** 49:04 What I'm most passionate about today is helping people understand this framework, whether they coach with me or not, and getting them out of their comfort zone. It's because it's not really a comfort zone. It's an uncomfortable zone that they're used to and living inside a zone where they're not improving, where they're not growing, that where they're not developing, that just is a waste of talent. It's a waste of life. You know, it's basically you're just dead, but not in the grave yet. And so I really want people to get energized. I want them to live their life, and I want them to do what they're designed, to do, what they were put on this planet, to do whatever that might be. And I just like to help them. I like to come alongside and help people. Figure out what that is. That's where I get the most joy. That's where I feel like God smiles at me. Is if I've done that in a day, he I can go to sleep at night saying, oh, god smiling at me because I did my job today. Michael Hingson ** 50:15 Well, I have, in in the past, done some some significant studying about coaching and so on. And one of the things that I've always remembered that I read was that the whole idea of a coach is not to have the answers, but to help guide you to figure out what the answers are. And I think that's so important, and makes it so powerful, because when you help people discover what their calling is, what they're meant to do, and what makes them passionate. There's nothing better than that. Dale Young ** 50:49 That's right, that's right. I mean, it's if I'm doing on Zoom, I can see the light bulb go off in their head, you know, because their whole countenance changes. It's just so amazing. And that's part of what I like about the strength finder, the strength finder assessment, and the way that I coach through that. It just really does they start making these connections that they've never made before, and they start realizing, okay, this is actually who I am. And I'll give an example, one of the ladies I coached through the strength finder back in 2019 she had self published 16 books at the time that I met her, she was owner, publisher of a neighborhood magazine, but she was burned out. She was just overworked. She just felt like this wasn't what God wanted her to do, and so I took her through this process, and she basically shut that company down. She started a new company doing virtual administration, and she was fully booked in 30 days with no advertising or anything else, and she was looking for people to help her do the work. And now, five years later, she is got a company that's got, I don't know, 1718, 20 people part time working for her, helping her do all the work. 35 clients, 40 clients nationwide. And she's going, she's, she's at the point where she's trying to get herself out of the day to day work in that business, and it's just been so successful for her because she is doing what she was designed to do and what she was meant to do. And the way she says is, when you stop swimming upstream, that's when the magic happens. Michael Hingson ** 52:41 How did you help her figure out what the solution was or what she was supposed to do? Well, it was actually Dale Young ** 52:48 sitting there in her talents, you know, communication, even though she'd self published 16 books, communication was November 14 for her, it wasn't one of her natural talents. She knew how to do it, but it was actually also draining for her. Okay? And so turned out that of those 16 books, I think 12 or 13 of them, were journals. So she wasn't actually creating writing a bunch of stuff. She was creating space for other people to write. So it was kind of an interesting thing that she saw once she had been through this process, okay, but you know, her, her talents are actually, we've got four of the same top five, not in the same order, but, you know, we're very similar in some of those. And so, you know, her idea, her, her superpower is being able to get a group of people to work on a particular issue or problem or set of problems for other people. And she does it so well. She's a she's a community builder, and she does it really well. Michael Hingson ** 53:55 That's cool, yeah. Well, we talked a little bit about them. I'd love to hear a little bit more about your two books. My two books. So Dale Young ** 54:03 my books are, let's see, I don't even have one hair candy for me. I was gonna hold it up, leave the pictures through the camera. So two books are, first one was published in January of 2023, and it's called next level your life. And it's a compilation book with about 40 authors in it. It's got Tom Ziegler in it, Simon Bailey, Ross, Robert Helms, I think he's got something like three quarters of a billion dollars in real estate, and it's put together by Kyle Wilson. Kyle Wilson was the marketing person behind Jim Rohn. You know Jim Rohn was the big speaker, right? Kyle Wilson took him from like $400 for a one hour speaking engagement up to $10,000 a day. A type of thing. And, you know, booked out his calendar with 300 events a year, or something like that. So, so next level your life. And I wrote a chapter in there, and it talks about the worst decade of my life, which was from 2012 2011 2012 when started asking for a divorce. Through that bottom were in the three or four weeks I divorce was final, and then I went to part time in the IT career and all that sort of stuff. The second book is called The transformational journey. It came out in October 2023 and it's got Dennis Whateley, Brian Tracy, Chris Gronkowski, from football fame and Latino from music frame, lot of good people in there, similar type thing, but 40 different authors in that one. So next level your life. Hit Amazon. Bestseller in 31 categories, and transformational journey at Amazon bestseller in 60 categories, and they're available on Amazon about 13 bucks a piece on on Amazon. So yeah, Michael Hingson ** 56:17 what's your your next book project? Well, my Dale Young ** 56:21 next book project is another compilation book that's going to be coming out probably later this year, maybe 24 and it's actually going to have more like 80 people in it, and something like 20 celebrity authors, again, put together by Kyle Wilson, and it's called Lessons from thought leaders. Michael Hingson ** 56:47 Okay, cool. Well, we'll have to keep an eye out for that. I think that it'll be interesting to see how all that goes. Dale Young ** 56:58 Yeah, it's been interesting being a two time number one, best selling author here, and you know, I'm looking for speaking engagements and podcasts like this, and just trying to get my message out, because I feel like this is giving me a platform to talk about the the calling, and helping people to just find their calling, step into their calling, and then follow their calling. Well, Michael Hingson ** 57:23 if people want to reach out to you and explore the coaching process, explore learning about the calling and working with you, how do they do that? Dale Young ** 57:35 I'm on all the social media. LinkedIn is Coach Dale Facebook is Coach Dale young. You can send me emails to dale@coachdale.com you can hit my website@coachdale.com and there's you can find all my information in those stories and those two books as well. So yeah, and I'm sure we'll get all of that into the links as well. Yes, Michael Hingson ** 58:04 it'll all be there. You provided us with a lot of that, so that's cool. Well, I want to thank you for being here and giving us your insights and offering a lot of things for all of us to think about. I hope people will reach out to you. I think it's important that people really analyze themselves and and if they're not successful at it themselves, then they've got people like you who can help with that. But I think it's important that people really analyze themselves and and take the time to understand what they really want to do and what they're passionate about. We all have a whole lot more fun when we deal with our passions and follow through on them. Of course, it's I'm it's probably a little nebulous to say they got to be realistic. But what is realistic that the bottom line is that we really need to decide what we're to do, what we're meant to do, and do it and and you help with that. So that's great. So I want to thank you. I want to thank you for being here, but I also want to thank all of you for listening. We really appreciate it. Hope that you'll reach out to coach Dale. And Dale is D, A, L, E, so please reach out, and he's there and ready to help. I want to thank you for being here, and I really hope that you will give us a five star rating wherever you're listening to unstoppable mindset or watching it. Also, if you'd like to reach out to me, love to hear from you. You can reach me at Michael H, i@accessibe.com that's m, I, C, H, A, E, L, H, I at accessibe, A, C, C, E, S, S, I, B, e.com, or go to our podcast page, which is w, w, w, dot Michael hingson.com/podcast, and Michael Hinkson is spelled M, I, C, H, A, E, L, H, I N, G, s, O, N, again.com/podcast, and as Dale said, I also am a speaker. I've been speaking ever since September. 11th, 2001 so if you need a speaker, or know anyone who does love to hear from you, you can also reach out to me at speaker at michaelhingson com. But however you do it, I hope that you'll reach out, and I hope that you'll reach out to Dale as well and work with him and use some of those insights. So again, Dale, I want to just thank you for being here and giving us all your time and your thoughts today. Dale Young ** 1:00:28 Well, thank you, Michael. I've certainly enjoyed it, and I'm honored to be Michael Hingson ** 1:00:37 You have been listening to the Unstoppable Mindset podcast. Thanks for dropping by. 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