Ep.21- Soul Retrieval: A Shamanic Process to Healing Trauma

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I know you, you're afraid to speak up.

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You're scared of what other people think of you. And you

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blame yourself for what happened to you. I know how it feels,

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because I've been there. If you found me, I'm so grateful you

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are here. This podcast will give you hope. And I'm your host in a

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made ANOVA. And I'm going to hold your hand and provide the

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guidance. It's time for you to find your why. And turn your

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experience into your biggest power. This is your time now. So

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lock your door, put your headphones in and enjoy

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Christina Lee pred. Welcome to the world's best Trauma Recovery

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podcast.

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Thank you, Anna. I'm really happy to be

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here.

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Christina, you are a healer. You are an author

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and a teacher of exceptional clarity, humor and practicality.

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You are doing an amazing job. And when I heard about you that

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for the first time, I really connected with you. And I just

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want to tell my listeners that you also opened the last mosque

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center for shamanic healing in New York in 1990. Where you are

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pioneering new shamanic techniques to deal with complex

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trauma, the healing of our ancestral lines, and the

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initiation of our young, young young Jung In the spiritual

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adulthood. Which is great. And you also wrote a two volume set

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of an insight of the book and Encyclopedia of shamanism. And

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you're also presented at many shamanic summits. Wow, what a

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journey. Christina, how did you get into this? Um, well, I

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don't have a special Oh, I had an

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indigenous grandmother's story or anything like that at all.

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I'm just a typical, very, very typical white, middle class

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American who

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started humble.

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who just started experiencing stress

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related illness very early. And this isn't a story of that

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illness is created this what the illness made me start doing is

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questioning my own culture. There was no reason for me,

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given my privilege, my entitlement, my access to health

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care, my access to good food my whole life. You know, every way

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that I was supported for me to be depressed since I was 12. No

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reason at all for that, but outwardly. And so I started

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really questioning not myself, like what's wrong with me, but

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I, for whatever reason, started questioning my culture. And one

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thing led to another. And I was in a therapy session. And the

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person asked me after I had been ranting for about 30 minutes

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about this incredible brokenhearted situation I was in

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because the man who was literally the man of my dreams,

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man, I felt pretty lucky to have met him. But he was a really

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destructive this is this is a bit dated, right? He was

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freebasing. I realized there people listen to your podcast

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and probably don't even know what that means. But basically

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was a serious cocaine addict. And in a really, pretty

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dangerous way at the time. And not that it's ever not

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dangerous. But anyway, my point is, I was my life was a mess. It

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was a train wreck. And I'm going on and on about my problems. And

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his response to me is Christina, where's your bliss? And I am

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telling you part of me wanted to launch out of my body across the

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room, grab him by the throat and rip it out. Like how dare you

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and I'm like spilling my guts about how painful this all is.

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And you're asking me where my bliss is. There's clearly no

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bliss here was so angry, and whatever happened because of

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course, I didn't launch across the room and grab rip his neck

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out. But what that act was that act was like this arrow that

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went into my heart which I tried to ignore and ignore it ignore

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but man when I woke up in the morning, I asked myself, What

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would you do today? If you knew you were going to die tomorrow?

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And I realized nothing. That was on the plan. Um, for that day,

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or that week or that month, like, there was nothing I was

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doing that I would still be doing if I knew I was gonna die

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the next day. And I thought this is a problem. This is an I was

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20. Right? I'm doing this, you know, 20. And so I started

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looking for my own answers. That's really how I got myself

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into this is I just stopped listening to the noise of my

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culture, trying to tell me who I was, because I ended up sick and

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depressed when I listened to that. And instead, I started

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trying to answer that question, where is my bliss? When do I

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last remember feeling something I would call bliss? What the

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hell is bliss, right. And I realized this is a much overused

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now, Joseph Campbell phrase, but the point is this person and

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bless his heart, this person didn't listen to my drama,

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didn't listen to my trauma didn't listen to anything. He

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just asked the question I needed to be asked at that moment, and

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I was like a dog on a bone man, I could not let go of that when

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I realized I had absolutely no good answer for that, and no

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reason to not have a good answer. Because, you know, I

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lived really a pretty good life up until that realizing, what

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does that really mean and started questioning that. So

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anyway, fast forward, I end up making some really drastic

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decisions. And I'm in Manhattan, later in my 20s. And I've gone

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back to dancing, which is an extremely stupid thing to do in

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your latter 20s, because you're already an old lady for the

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profession in your 20s. And I didn't have an experience of 20

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years of dancing. So this is a really long, making a long story

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even longer than it needs to be. But basically, in the process of

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going back to what was the last place I had experienced bliss.

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I'm going to share this little part of the story I don't

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normally share. Because I think people that have experienced,

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really serious physical and emotional trauma often have peak

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altered state experiences that get pathologized. So there's

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some peak altered state experiences in this story that I

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usually leave out because people pathologize me for them. So I

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just want to acknowledge that problem with what I consider

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contemporary culture is understanding of what's really

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going on for human beings and their lives. So anyway, my point

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is,

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the last place I had felt bliss was as a child dancing. I've had

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dance my whole life in small town. So it's not as fancy as it

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sounds, no, but I danced my whole life I was performing. We

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were performing to Bach, which was incredible music. And it was

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one of the rare moments I was dancing really incredible

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choreography. And the audience was right there for us, the

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lights, the music, the choreography, I was dancing with

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people I danced with my whole life. It was this amazing moment

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and bam, in stage right in the middle of the choreography, I go

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into an altered state, an absolute ecstatic peak ecstatic

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state in the middle of performing on stage, right,

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eight counts later. And I know this because of music. I am

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downstage where I need to be doing the right thing. But I

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have not participated in the process of getting there my

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conscious awareness. I've been in this peak ecstatic altered

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state one with all things. So that was my scale for blips that

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I was looking for later. And this has happened when I was a

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teenager right here I am on my 20s trying to get back to this

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really peak altered state with no education around spirit or

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altered states, right. I didn't realize it was a peak state. It

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was just an experience I had had, I tried to share it with

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people, everybody looked at me like I was crazy. So I shut up

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and ever told me but and that's what I was looking for. So you

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know, I had a pretty high bar that I was reaching for and

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didn't know it. So I had gone back to New York to go back to

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dancing because that was me trying to find my bliss. And it

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was I was poor. I was living below the poverty line. I was

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trying to dance. I'm not that good. Right. And especially at

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that age, I mean, it was really everything was stacked against

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me. And I actually got a job with the one choreographer on

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the planet I wanted to dance with. So I had this peak

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experience of doing this premiere show in New York with

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this choreographer, this amazing company, this incredible piece

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of work. And then bam, it was over and I crashed into that

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depression. Like, just that from that height of everything. I

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ever imagined that was the thing I crashed deep into my very

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familiar depression but deeper than I'd ever been in before.

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And I had this very Darwinistic thought about it because I've

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been researching and studying Taoist practices made me

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frankly, I was in my 20s, frankly, for sex. Honestly, to

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be anyway, so I have these this idea of Taoism in my mind, which

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I didn't really understand very well yet at that time, but it

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made me ask this very paradoxical question, which was,

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I was my depression always felt like being underwater. And, and

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being you know, deeper and deeper and darker and darker, as

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if anybody scuba dives, you know, as you get down deeper,

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pretty quickly, it gets very dark, and then the pressure of

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the water, it's kind of scary. And so I felt myself just going

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down and down and down. And I'd always clawed my way up out of

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the depression, I always felt like, you know, just like, like

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a swimmer, right? You try to go for the air. And I was so

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crushed. And, and this, like, weird little YinYang sign just

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came into my mind. And I just had this thought, what if I went

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down instead of up,

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and made it all the way to the bottom,

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but I didn't, I just broke out of my

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conscious state. And I was in an altered state, and I was in a

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spontaneous experience of being in an altered state for three

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days in Manhattan. So the whole thing is so insane. Anyway, so

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as I came out of that experience, which was, which I

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participated in as a test, not not being not being a religious

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person, and not seeing life through this battle of the good

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and good and evil, I don't see the world that way. I wasn't

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trained to see that. I don't think kids naturally see the

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world that way. And then I didn't get trained to see the

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world that way. So the blessing of that moment was that that

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wasn't how I perceived what was going on. I simply perceived it

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as a test. And a response to this question I had had, which

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is why am I here? And I didn't understand yet that you need to

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qualify your questions and be very specific when you're trying

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to communicate with the big all that is. And so why am I here? I

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meant, why am I here at this audition? Why am I here in New

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York? Like I meant it, like, in the context that I could see

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myself in? Why am I here? I didn't understand. That's not

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how you work with spirit yet, because I've been having

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education. So I just was like, why am I here? Why am I here?

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You know, constantly. So I go into this altered state. I'm in

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it for three days. And I really felt like that whole experience.

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Gave me the answer to that question. Because as I came out

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of that experience, and was like, wow, like, no one to talk

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to about it. No one to put it into context, no way to

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understand what the hell just happened. All I knew it was

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probably the most important thing that would ever happen to

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me in my whole lifetime. And it had changed everything. That's

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all I knew. No one to you know, no elders know anything like,

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and I'm in Manhattan. I mean, the whole thing was really

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crazy. But what came after that in, in a period of time of

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clarity after that, well, periodically clarity and then

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aftershocks, so there'll be clarity and confusion and

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clarity and confusion. But in those moments of clarity. I saw

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the next steps. And for me, the next the most direct next step,

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the clearest answer for why am I here? Was this process called

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Soul Retrieval? What is it? Yeah, it's so it's a really old,

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it's one of the earliest shared ways of healing so many, many

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cultures all over the world do their version of a process

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called Soul Retrieval, which is fundamentally based on the idea

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that when we experience trauma, and they include in that shock,

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like to be shocked or overwhelmed as another kind of

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trauma, I mean, we have a very contemporary contextualized

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version of what trauma means today. But just to be completely

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shocked and overwhelmed and unable to process the moment,

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for accidental reasons, is also considered trauma, that, that

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the person can respond to that by fragmenting and what that

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creates in the person that everyone is responding to who's

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here in real time is a feeling of I've never been the same

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sense. I've never been the same sense that event because we did

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did lose a part of ourselves. So soul retrieval, so loss and soul

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retrieval, which is the, the, it's just accepting the fact

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that at high levels of trauma and abuse, this is what people

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do it and it just accepts that that's what happens. And so

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since it does happen, somebody needs to go find those parts of

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the self and bring it back. And that's a fundamental healing

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process in indigenous cultures. And there are many different

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means by which people do it. But that's what they're doing. And

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so not only did I learn to do that, because it was the

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clearest answer of why are you here.

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But I also researched it around the world, like what are all of

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the just discovering how all of these peoples from all over all

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the landmasses all over the world had ways of doing this?

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And, and practitioners who became skilled at this act of

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discovery, it's like tracking and finding it, the negotiation,

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which is different in different cultural contexts, but there's a

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negotiation that convinces that last self to come back, and then

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the actual act of grasping that self, which obviously has to be

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happening in an altered state, because they're not in the

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physical world anymore. And then bringing them back, and

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restoring them to the person's body where they belong here in

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the physical world. And so these practitioners in these different

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cultures are all practitioners that understand there's a

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relationship between the physical world and the invisible

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world, whatever you want to call that. And that it, they and that

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people can learn to use that relationship in a constructive

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way. I mean, they can also learn to use it in a destructive way.

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But the point was long version of answering your question is,

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this was really the best answer my life gave me as to why I'm

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here. And so I just pursued the steps to learn to do it, without

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really thinking about I felt it was the truth. So I didn't worry

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about where the source of the truth was coming from whether or

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not I liked that truth. Because I didn't mean I liked having an

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answer, but didn't like the answer. And I didn't want to

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think about the ramifications on my life. And that's the

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challenge with the truth is often knowing the truth changes

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everything. So anyway, here we are.

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Thanks so much. That's a beautiful answer.

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Thanks, Christina. I, you know what I believe. Unfortunately,

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or fortunately, but our close relatives, close friends, and

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now our loved ones are the biggest teachers in our life.

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And they given us to, to learn this lesson and to find our

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passion. And it's like your ex boyfriend. Through these

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challenges, through this traumatic experience, you found

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your passion, you found your why it was there, like in the

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universe, or God or any higher power was leading you to this

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point. And I feel the same towards my stepfather. And in

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some sort of capacity, I'm grateful that he, he helped me.

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He created he helped me to create myself who I am right

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now. And I know it's very, very interesting and deep topic. But

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I'm just wondering, how does the soul look loss feels feel? How

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do you know that you lost it? Yeah. Experiencing your trauma

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or abuse?

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Yeah. So So from this perspective? And to

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answer this question in a really juicy way, part of it is

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accepting the idea that we have a physical body. And that

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physical body when it's alive, and has you know, inhabited by a

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soul creates also an energy body. And so, so while we may

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not notice the loss, physically, because the person is still

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here, there's no bruise, there's no cut, you know, there's no

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physical trauma to validate the experience, let's say, but in

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the energy body, it blows a hole out of the energy body when the

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soul leaves because in this idea of the energy body, let's just

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visualize the soul as being this luminous energy that that

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radiates who we are from the inside out, you know? It's not

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our core, our soul is here it is our light, it is our resonance,

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it is who we are. And so when a piece of that energy splits off,

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which is a survival tactic, our light is dimmed. On one hand,

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people will may notice a difference in US in, in, in the,

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in the old days, in the ancient times when cultures themselves

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were more coherent, they had very strict cultural parameters

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about how those relations you were talking about that help us

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to learn how we are to treat each other. Zero tolerance for

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certain things that are systemized today like incest,

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right mean zero tolerance for things like that. So people are

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in a different culture, a different quality of culture,

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let's say. And so where was I going with that. So when they

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lost a part of themselves, people noticed was my point in

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that because they could see the diminishment of that bright soul

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that they were already paying attention to and in relationship

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with, they would see that diminishment and notice, and so

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the culture would say, you need to be restored. Let's Let's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:21:12

mobilize around making that happen for you. Whereas for us,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:21:17

in our contemporary time, we let most of us lack a healthy

Christina Lee pratt: 00:21:21

culture around us and a healthy family system, it's usually at

Christina Lee pratt: 00:21:24

least dysfunctional, if not abusive. And so consequently,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:21:28

we're an individual struggling in that. And so we may lose

Christina Lee pratt: 00:21:32

smaller parts of ourselves to cope with different situations,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:21:36

which gives us time to adapt. Sorry, this little bit of a long

Christina Lee pratt: 00:21:40

version of this answer. But this is important to understand,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:21:43

because then collectively, over time, we can have a huge amount

Christina Lee pratt: 00:21:48

of soul loss that in the past would have actually caused us to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:21:51

waste away. But because we had time to adapt to the smaller

Christina Lee pratt: 00:21:57

parts leaving over time, we normalize living in a state of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:01

soul loss. And so this is really where I see your question coming

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:06

in is, is what does it feel like to live in a state of soul loss

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:09

feels like it yeah, it's completely normalized. It's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:13

like, oh, remember, we moved, and you started failing in

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:16

school, ha, ha, ha, like I like all of the soul loss becomes

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:20

these family jokes about when different members of the family

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:23

started failing around something they used to be good at, or they

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:28

suddenly dropped this thing they loved, you know, so that so

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:32

there's these stories from our childhood, but in present time,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:35

what it feels like, for many people, you may not feel it,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:41

some people feel it, people have different sensibilities and

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:44

sensations, right. So basically, what soulless creates is a leaky

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:47

bucket, you're just a leaky bucket. So some people feel this

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:51

constant drain of energy.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:54

And they named it different ways, like, Oh, I'm just too

Christina Lee pratt: 00:22:58

empathic, I'm too sensitive on to this. But really, it's you

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:02

just got too many holes are really porous, and thus not able

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:06

to really maintain the quality of boundaries that we would

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:10

consider healthy boundaries. And so there's so for some people

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:14

that can result in chronic chronic illnesses, because

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:19

there's a chronic energy drain for other people. They have a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:23

vitality that compensates for that, but they experience it

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:26

more in their mental wellness, or their emotional wellness. And

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:30

so the whole can create a loss of energy. But most of us are

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:34

intuitively smart enough to try to fill that hole and protect

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:37

that hole. So protecting that hole can be issues in

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:41

relationship about really allowing intimacy, or really

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:45

being willing to commit to those people that are intimate. So it

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:47

can be relationship struggles, that keep repeating themselves

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:51

in different relationships. So different people, a lot of work

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:54

with your therapist, same pattern gets reestablished

Christina Lee pratt: 00:23:57

because it's, it's, it's not coming out of your psychology,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:00

it's coming out of your intuitive need to protect this

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:04

hole in your core, then the harder thing I think for us to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:09

realize is a lot of our addictive behavior comes out of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:13

our endeavor to try to replace the energy that we're losing, to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:17

try to get that to try to either numb out from the experience of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:22

being so vulnerable, because these holes make us feel

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:25

vulnerable. So we have anxiety and then we're depressed, like

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:28

all so much of what is normalized as just contemporary

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:32

life experience can be explained by realizing you're living in a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:36

state of soul loss. I mean, if four out of five women have been

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:40

abused, that means probably four out of five women are living in

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:43

the state of soul loss. I mean, it's just, it's it's everywhere,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:47

and then unacknowledged. Right? So then there's that piece too,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:51

which is this idea that somehow you should be able to do better

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:55

when you're hemorrhaging energy. What's your problem? What's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:24:58

wrong with you? It's like well, I've never been the same since

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:01

this happened like that feeling of it's never been the same. And

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:05

the thing that happened, doesn't seem like it wouldn't

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:09

necessarily be labeled trauma or abuse potentially. So let's say

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:15

my soul's purpose requires music. And I am in a school

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:19

system, or somewhere or community or something. But

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:23

there's lots of music, people are singing, I'm really engaged.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:26

I'm loving this, I feel I'm a kid. And it's like, Oh, my God,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:30

everyone's speaking my language, dad gets a new job, mom gets a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:34

new job, maybe parents get divorced. And suddenly I get

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:36

moved to another country, another state another something,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:39

they don't have music. Or, or maybe in the new situation, we

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:43

don't have the money to afford it anymore. But all of a sudden,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:46

I'm stripped of that ability to make music and that support of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:50

people around me to make music. That kid is that part that needs

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:56

music is most likely going to stay back at the old place with

Christina Lee pratt: 00:25:59

making music. And now this kid, the one who's actually in real

Christina Lee pratt: 00:26:04

time, is suffering, is depressed is hemorrhaging energy. And all

Christina Lee pratt: 00:26:10

they did was move. So nobody knows what their problem is.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:26:14

Right? So the range of why we can experience but basically,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:26:19

any, any way that you feel, I know from my work on myself that

Christina Lee pratt: 00:26:24

I have more to give, and I keep sort of falling in the same hole

Christina Lee pratt: 00:26:29

in my efforts to try to give it like no matter what I do, I keep

Christina Lee pratt: 00:26:33

doing this pattern of that pattern. No matter how much time

Christina Lee pratt: 00:26:37

I spend in therapy, no matter how much trauma recover, I do I

Christina Lee pratt: 00:26:40

keep the same thing I just there's, there's just something

Christina Lee pratt: 00:26:44

missing. That's, that's also the key, there's just something

Christina Lee pratt: 00:26:49

missing. Because when we do get into our work, and we do do self

Christina Lee pratt: 00:26:55

reflection, we do start to tune in intuitively, we know

Christina Lee pratt: 00:27:00

something is missing. And then that gets pathologized. It's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:27:04

just such a mess. Yeah,

Anna Maydonova: 00:27:07

I've been feeling this feeling that

Anna Maydonova: 00:27:10

something is missing. There is something even though I look

Anna Maydonova: 00:27:16

like I have it all together, was always feeling those needs those

Anna Maydonova: 00:27:21

desire for something more, something bigger. I'm not

Anna Maydonova: 00:27:24

talking about materialistic things. It's so amazing. And I

Anna Maydonova: 00:27:30

found psyche specialist. I remember because I was so I was

Anna Maydonova: 00:27:38

so exhausted, I was so energy low. And in the first healing

Anna Maydonova: 00:27:47

session, she actually told me that inner eye can feel that

Anna Maydonova: 00:27:51

your soul has left your body. It just, it's just somewhere around

Anna Maydonova: 00:27:57

but it doesn't go into the body. And also fascinated, I said, why

Anna Maydonova: 00:28:03

she didn't know my story at those time. She said, something

Anna Maydonova: 00:28:08

happened to you when you were young. And just your soul felt

Anna Maydonova: 00:28:14

it's not safe to be in your body anymore. Which was for me, it

Anna Maydonova: 00:28:18

was mind blowing, honestly. And I had another experience with

Anna Maydonova: 00:28:25

Charmin where he was able to see what was happening with my

Anna Maydonova: 00:28:32

energy flow. And Christina, um, so like, I'm so wondering, I

Anna Maydonova: 00:28:39

want to ask you this question. I'm not sure if you're gonna

Anna Maydonova: 00:28:42

have an answer for this. But can you see over the zoom camera, if

Anna Maydonova: 00:28:50

there is any attachment of my perpetrator, my childhood sexual

Anna Maydonova: 00:28:57

abuser to me, and if there is something I need to heal, still?

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:03

Oh, let me just do another thing first, and

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:06

then we'll come back to that, which is for people that would

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:11

ask this question, right, because a lot of people really

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:13

hesitate to ask this question, but it is not an uncommon thing.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:18

If we think about us as energy bodies, right? And we think

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:22

about it when we lose a part of ourself, it creates a hole, any

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:25

hole in aluminous brilliant person such as yourself, is it's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:31

an opportunity for an energy that shouldn't invit be able to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:37

invade you to invade. And that's the other problem with soul loss

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:42

is it creates a weakness in our energy that almost advertises

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:48

like every hole is an opportunity for invasive

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:51

energies to come in, whether it's a perpetrator or just some

Christina Lee pratt: 00:29:56

other invasive energy and this can this We can get into a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:30:01

really Hollywood version sensationalized idea of this.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:30:06

Which is unfortunate, because many of us because we're in a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:30:12

state of soul loss, do become prey to other energies, whether

Christina Lee pratt: 00:30:18

it's our perpetrator or not. And then another piece of this story

Christina Lee pratt: 00:30:22

is that one has to ask, why would a human being do this to a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:30:29

child, one has to ask that. And, unfortunately, there is often an

Christina Lee pratt: 00:30:36

invasive energy going on there that that a person is being

Christina Lee pratt: 00:30:40

driven to their worst self. Now they could choose not to do it.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:30:44

So I'm not, I'm not absolving people of the fact that we all

Christina Lee pratt: 00:30:49

need to make choices with our own energy. And often, you, as

Christina Lee pratt: 00:30:57

someone who's experienced abuse would be asking this question,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:30:59

not just because of the perpetrator as the person, but

Christina Lee pratt: 00:31:03

because somewhere intuitively you knew they were being written

Christina Lee pratt: 00:31:06

by an energy. And so it's complex, right? And that all of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:31:13

this, what for most of us feels pretty weird. It's not what most

Christina Lee pratt: 00:31:19

of us talk about. But anyway, so the question, because I don't I

Christina Lee pratt: 00:31:25

I, I work in an altered state with helping spirits that are

Christina Lee pratt: 00:31:31

confirming what I'm seeing, or feeling or sensing. And I'm not

Christina Lee pratt: 00:31:35

a clairvoyant, I got trained by a clairvoyant who was really

Christina Lee pratt: 00:31:38

amazing. But I'm not a clairvoyant, so I don't see all

Christina Lee pratt: 00:31:40

that well. And so I would want to back up anything that I said,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:31:46

with being able to actually do a journey, which for your

Christina Lee pratt: 00:31:49

listeners, would be really boring, because there'd be

Christina Lee pratt: 00:31:51

nothing to say and nothing to watch. But what I trust a lot is

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:02

that people don't ask questions. Well, let me say it, the other

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:06

way to be able to articulate the question is, is to almost name,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:13

what is going on, in a sense, like that willingness to get to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:15

a place where you say, things are possible this is happening

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:18

is almost to affirm it is in less, you've already had work to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:25

have that energy removed. Right. And so, so there's that piece as

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:30

well. But the other thing about soul parts coming back, just to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:33

add one more part to this whole story, is there's there's a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:38

proprietary nature, to our own body, we may not know it, but we

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:44

really are the sovereign of our own body. And when soul parts

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:48

come back, if there's invasive energies in those soul parts are

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:52

often like Get the hell out of my room. Like you freeloading,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:32:57

squatting, whatever, get the hell out of my space. And so

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:02

that's another aspect is for those people that feel they're

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:05

not really able to claim their sovereignty in their own life.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:09

Often, that's because the aspects of themselves that were

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:13

really helped them to do that have been lost and need to be

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:16

brought back, and then reintegrated. And that's another

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:19

piece. Because we adapt member I talked about how we adapt to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:24

this loss, when soul parts come back. Now for us as contemporary

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:28

people, we need to integrate them, because we have to sort of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:31

and adapt if you think about it, you know, we changed when they

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:34

lost, we need to get out of those bad habits or just

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:37

problematic habits, and allow these energies back in not only

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:42

to claim the space, but to also there's a quality in in

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:46

integrating a soul part that allows us to let go of stuff.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:51

And let go of parts of our story that are

Unknown: 00:33:56

needed to be

Christina Lee pratt: 00:33:58

known and witnessed and told, but not

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:01

again, and again, and again. Right. And so there's a time

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:05

that most of us should feel, I mean, should be able to feel is

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:09

what I meant. Where we realize this story telling it now just

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:13

keeps me in it. It's you know, I've owned it, I've spoken it,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:17

it's been witnessed, you know, it's done its job. Like you

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:21

said, it's been the lesson that it needs to be, I need to stop

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:24

telling it I need to move on I need to create new stories with

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:27

my life. And so it also helps us be able to let go of the pieces

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:31

that do need to be let go of and and crystallize the teaching and

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:36

then go forward as a living expression of the teaching, not

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:39

a living expression of repeating the old story. So that yes,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:43

please. Yes. So if you felt that way that that was a possibility

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:47

intuitively, especially since didn't you recently go back to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:52

court?

Anna Maydonova: 00:34:53

Yes. Yeah. September 2021.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:34:57

Yeah, but still, proximity is problematic.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:00

It, you know, and so if you're if you're feeling it, I would, I

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:03

would definitely encourage you to at least get it checked out.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:07

Because even if it isn't your perpetrator, it could be another

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:10

energy that has a similar pattern. That honestly, if if,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:17

if there's still a part that a lot that is like the mat, like

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:21

the matching jigsaw puzzle piece for that kind of energy, if

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:24

you're just walking through a busy airport somewhere, and that

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:28

energy is present, it can notice its matching component, and

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:32

connect, even if it's not your perpetrator, if it's a similar

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:35

pattern. And that's the problem with this energy is, it's so

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:39

personal, because it's our trauma. And I don't want to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:42

diminish that at all. It's also patterns, which aren't personal,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:47

right? It's just I hold pattern A and it fits together with

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:51

pattern B. And so whenever I'm moving through space, in my

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:55

life, pattern B gets attracted whether I want it to or not. So

Christina Lee pratt: 00:35:59

I need to change that I have pattern a basically, I don't

Christina Lee pratt: 00:36:02

want to be attracted to that anymore. So I would get it

Christina Lee pratt: 00:36:04

checked out. Definitely.

Anna Maydonova: 00:36:08

Thanks, Christina, you know what I

Anna Maydonova: 00:36:10

forgot to mention that after even one session of solid

Anna Maydonova: 00:36:15

training, I felt so much energy, my, my husband noticed the

Anna Maydonova: 00:36:23

change straightaway, like instantly. And I will keep check

Anna Maydonova: 00:36:30

checking my energy because I did feel a little bit worrying when

Anna Maydonova: 00:36:36

I was going back to my hometown and knowing that I have to face

Anna Maydonova: 00:36:41

my perpetrator. But it it wasn't so such a strong feeling. So I

Anna Maydonova: 00:36:51

was just curious to know whether they there is still a link. But

Anna Maydonova: 00:36:55

I'm just wondering whether you had an experience with clients,

Anna Maydonova: 00:37:00

who didn't have such a tremendous and positive

Anna Maydonova: 00:37:05

experience with with soul retrieval. So what would you say

Anna Maydonova: 00:37:09

to those people? Isn't it? Because I assume it's not

Anna Maydonova: 00:37:14

happening in one hour, in one minute?

Christina Lee pratt: 00:37:19

Well, so Soul Retrieval is really

Christina Lee pratt: 00:37:22

interesting in the sense that if soul loss is the problem, and

Christina Lee pratt: 00:37:27

and the practitioner connects with the energy, and does a good

Christina Lee pratt: 00:37:31

job bringing it back, so that's a big gift. But let's assume the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:37:34

Soul Retrieval is done well, it's restored to your energy

Christina Lee pratt: 00:37:37

body, most people do have that experience you have because it's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:37:41

it is the missing piece, and all of a sudden, right. And after

Christina Lee pratt: 00:37:47

about two weeks, that changes, and then there's, there's more

Christina Lee pratt: 00:37:51

to be gained through an integration that happens over

Christina Lee pratt: 00:37:54

maybe the next six weeks. So it's about a two month period of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:37:58

continuing to work through things, some people experience

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:01

the opposite. Where the soul part is returned. And they

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:08

experience the problems that were going on when the soul part

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:13

left immediately. And so there's an immediate return to the old

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:18

problem. But it's important to realize you're not in the old

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:21

problem anymore. Right? I mean, it might be something that

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:24

happened when you were five, you're not five anymore. And so

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:27

you really are you have become the adult who can be what those

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:31

adults weren't at the time, right. And so, so parts don't

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:35

come back when people can't be what they need to be for the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:39

part that's returning, assuming it's being done in a good way.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:46

Which goes back to the whole knowing when is it time to let

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:48

go of things. So anyway, back to what I was saying is, it is

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:51

often a sudden change. And then a need for this integration that

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:55

follows after some people experienced that in reverse,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:38:58

where it's suddenly all the emotions are back that never got

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:02

processed, and they need to move. I just encourage people to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:05

move to dance, make art, express those emotions and get to what's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:08

underneath it. And then it begins to be they get a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:12

connection to the energy. Some soul parts aren't so much about

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:16

energy. They're about qualities that we knew we had, but we

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:21

lost, you know, so different soul parts also have different

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:24

energies that they're retrieving. So that's, that's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:27

also a difference. But your real question is, what about people

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:31

that have had a soul retrieval and it didn't change anything?

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:34

And I do get a lot of clients that say that to me, and I and I

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:39

think, wow, I really want to appreciate your courage in

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:43

trying again, because the first time it didn't help and they'll

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:46

say something like, oh, yeah, well listen your podcasts and

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:48

you talked me into it. So but anyway, what what what's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:53

happening is one of three things so in the mechanics of the soul

Christina Lee pratt: 00:39:58

lost soul retrieval. one of three things is happening, which

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:03

is the first thing that's happening is they are working

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:06

with a practitioner who isn't actually able to do the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:10

retrieval. They shouldn't be presenting themselves as someone

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:14

who is able to do it. That is always a possibility today,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:17

because there are far too many people, particularly in the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:19

United States that are just going to do trainings and then

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:22

hanging up a shingle, and there's no initiation, there's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:25

no connection to a larger cosmology that holds those

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:28

teachings, none of the qualities of an indigenous culture that

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:34

really hold that healing form in the whole system, it's meant to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:38

be held in our present, it's just an individual doing a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:41

technique. And I mean, even if we look at something like

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:44

massage, right, I can feel the difference be some, between

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:49

someone who's just doing a technique, massage, and someone

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:52

who is allowing healing energy to move through them, and really

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:55

listening to my body and moving intuitively, I mean, we all know

Christina Lee pratt: 00:40:58

the difference. And so I'm just gonna be honest, there are

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:00

practitioners out there that are calling themselves shamans that

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:04

just aren't doing a technique and they have no greater calling

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:09

to the work. And traditionally, it would be a calling you would

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:13

be brought to this work, because you have helping spirits that

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:17

are saying, not just this is yours to do. But this is an

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:20

expression of your purpose is a good vehicle for your purpose in

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:23

this life. So learn how to do it and do it well. And stop

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:27

whining.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:29

Well, mine had to say to me, like Stop complaining, we gave

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:31

you an answer, and I'll deal with it. So that's a piece is

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:35

you worked with a practitioner who did not actually retrieve a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:38

soul part. So it's not your fault that you don't feel

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:41

anything different. It didn't really happen. Another thing is

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:44

you are working with a practitioner, who is not a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:46

shaman who is doing something they are saying is like soul

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:50

retrieval. And it isn't, it doesn't mean it's not a valid

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:53

healing form. It's just not really bringing soul parts back

Christina Lee pratt: 00:41:56

because I get a lot of people that are really disappointed.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:01

Because their therapist told them this would be as good as

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:05

like they're doing different, like rapid eye movement,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:09

different trauma therapy, things which are valid things to do.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:11

I'm not criticizing them and tell the practitioner says, oh,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:15

yeah, by the way, it'll bring your soul parts back to it's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:17

like, no, it doesn't. And so that's another problem is people

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:21

being told they're getting a soul retrieval when they're not.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:25

All right, so with all that said, the other side of the coin

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:28

is the soul part did come back. And a person was really

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:32

resistant to the changes they needed to make to integrate with

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:35

that part. Not everybody likes their soul parts, not also parts

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:40

like the person. Why? Well, because of the adaptations,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:46

because people are afraid of their emotions. Because of the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:52

ramifications of the truth in their life, a lot of that, you

Christina Lee pratt: 00:42:56

know, there's, particularly with people that experience a certain

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:02

amount of privilege and entitlement in life, there is a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:06

certain assumption that I should be able to change and get what I

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:09

want in my life without having to change. Like, I want change

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:13

in my life, I want it all without, you want to have to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:16

change, I don't want to have to do the work, the self discovery

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:21

and the recognition that on part of the problem. Yeah, and

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:25

they'll let that go. And so so that's another thing that can

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:29

happen is that people sometimes receive soul parts back that

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:32

they're really not ready to deal with the truth that returned

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:37

with the soul parts. And sometimes it's that it's worse

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:41

than you thought it was. Sometimes it's, it wasn't as bad

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:44

as you thought it was. And that that is being like this whole

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:47

story is being used as an excuse to not do XYZ in life. Now the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:53

soul parts back and it's like, let's do it. And you're like,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:55

Ah, wait, I just lost my excuse to not really show up in life,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:43:59

you know, not really risk. Right? And because, because when

Christina Lee pratt: 00:44:04

our whole soul is here, you want one thing other than being a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:44:09

good human, which is the foundation. What it wants is to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:44:12

do what it came here to do. And it's never been done before. So

Christina Lee pratt: 00:44:16

it's risky. It's always risky. But it wants the fulfillment of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:44:20

the expression of this soul's purpose, you know, this unique

Christina Lee pratt: 00:44:25

genius that is true only in this lifetime. No do overs, is it or

Christina Lee pratt: 00:44:29

it never happens. That's what the soul wants. So if all the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:44:32

soul parts are back, that's a really edgy life. It's risky.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:44:37

You know, you don't just get to sit back and your privilege and

Christina Lee pratt: 00:44:40

entitlement and be happy to actually do the deal. It's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:44:45

scary.

Anna Maydonova: 00:44:46

You know, what I've been avoiding looking back

Anna Maydonova: 00:44:50

and facing my traumas for 20 years. And I can tell you,

Anna Maydonova: 00:44:54

Christine, Christina, once I faced it, why Since, well, after

Anna Maydonova: 00:45:02

I've I've led my soul to come back. The whole life is just

Anna Maydonova: 00:45:10

started blossoming for me. Exactly unbelievable feeling.

Anna Maydonova: 00:45:14

And it feels, it feels like the real happiness came the

Anna Maydonova: 00:45:19

happiness of just being on this planet and serve people and help

Anna Maydonova: 00:45:24

people. And you know what else I've experienced, I've done so

Anna Maydonova: 00:45:28

many human beings. I did a past life regression. I remember for

Anna Maydonova: 00:45:36

hours, I was under the hypnosis, or I don't know how to explain

Anna Maydonova: 00:45:42

this thing. And I remember just, my Shaman was, was taking me

Anna Maydonova: 00:45:47

back into my past lives. And I remember seeing this huge black

Anna Maydonova: 00:45:53

funnel. And I was just falling like a leaf, slowly going down,

Anna Maydonova: 00:45:58

down, down. And then he will, he will tell me stop here. But you

Anna Maydonova: 00:46:02

see, and I said, I can't stop. And I would fall down. And he

Anna Maydonova: 00:46:08

would ask me again, stop here. And I, again, I just wouldn't be

Anna Maydonova: 00:46:12

able to stop. And then I literally landed on the bottom

Anna Maydonova: 00:46:19

of this funnel. And I saw myself as a cave woman, I'm not making

Anna Maydonova: 00:46:26

this up. It just my, my subconscious was doing this, I

Anna Maydonova: 00:46:29

wasn't controlling this process at all. And I wasn't making this

Anna Maydonova: 00:46:35

up. This is for sure. And I saw my hands like so clear, clearly.

Anna Maydonova: 00:46:42

And I realized that I'm a cave woman, because my, my palms were

Anna Maydonova: 00:46:46

bigger and hate much hairier, my feet, what might be going here,

Anna Maydonova: 00:46:52

and I was having some animal, you know, skin on my body. And I

Anna Maydonova: 00:46:59

remember, I couldn't see anyone, I run into my cave. And then I

Anna Maydonova: 00:47:06

knew something's gonna happen. And then I looked out, and I saw

Anna Maydonova: 00:47:12

a huge pterodactyl. Who See, sitting on the tree. And at this

Anna Maydonova: 00:47:20

point, I clearly remember thinking, or you're gonna kill

Anna Maydonova: 00:47:27

me, or I'm gonna kill you. And I knew, I have no one to help me.

Anna Maydonova: 00:47:33

And I think in those life, I told myself, there is no one to

Anna Maydonova: 00:47:39

help, you have to do everything, yourself. And I've been

Anna Maydonova: 00:47:44

following this for the whole my life. What do you think about

Anna Maydonova: 00:47:50

this? What are your thoughts about past life regression?

Christina Lee pratt: 00:47:53

And I think, you know, time is, time

Christina Lee pratt: 00:47:56

is weird. I mean, I don't we don't we we our mind only works

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:00

if we sort of stay in linear time. And yet, much of our

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:02

healing requires we leave linear time and go back in past lives

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:07

and, and back in, you know, asking someone to go get a soul

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:11

part that is from a different time in this life, I mean, we

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:14

have to just deal with time, not always being linear. And so one

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:21

of the things I feel about healing is that whatever you

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:25

need in the moment, is genius when you get it. And so if the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:30

issue can be resolved through a process of reconciling some

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:37

unresolved past lives, if that's what you're really stuck on, and

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:41

that's what's causing the repeat of the pattern, it's absolutely

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:45

essential to do it. If if something else was going on,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:49

it's not really going to help. And so that's part of the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:52

problem is people. In general, I'm not saying you did this. But

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:56

in general, people find the things they're comfortable

Christina Lee pratt: 00:48:58

doing. And then they try to use those things to fix everything.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:49:01

But when so, so one of the ways that you can feel that it's a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:49:06

past life issue, for example. And that means it's an

Christina Lee pratt: 00:49:09

unresolved past life, because there's a whole lot of past

Christina Lee pratt: 00:49:12

lives that are just the sum total of who you are in this

Christina Lee pratt: 00:49:15

moment. And all of these gifts you came into this life with. So

Christina Lee pratt: 00:49:18

not every past life is an issue, but some are, because they're

Christina Lee pratt: 00:49:21

unreconciled. They're they're problematic in some way. And so

Christina Lee pratt: 00:49:28

and forgot where I was going with that. Oh, yeah, go ahead.

Anna Maydonova: 00:49:34

Let me ask you a question. How is our ancestors

Anna Maydonova: 00:49:39

past life unresolved history of abuse and trauma impacts our

Anna Maydonova: 00:49:47

life?

Christina Lee pratt: 00:49:48

Yeah, but so these are all this is the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:49:50

important thing for people to understand is these are all

Christina Lee pratt: 00:49:53

three different things and they're all real. And so that's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:49:56

what I was saying is knowing getting a good day. notes have

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:00

about what is going on. And having that happen is really

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:04

valuable. Oh, I'm just gonna say what how, you know if it's past

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:07

life anyway, okay, so we're on ancestors, we can come back to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:09

past lives. So past lives, or their own thing, right, they

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:14

have to do with your own soul as you're moving through lifetimes.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:17

So are just conceiving of that as a way to think about things.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:21

Ancestral issues are different issues, because they are

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:25

potentially different people, there are lots of souls involved

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:28

in unresolved ancestral issues. And as much as I know, some

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:33

people believe in systems that we always constellate with the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:37

same Pete same souls over and over and over again, in every

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:40

lifetime. Human beings are way messier than that. Think it

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:44

always works that way. All right. And the other thing that

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:48

happened is people can receive a guide or a helping spirit would

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:51

be what I would call it, but you know, some sort of guide or

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:54

Spirit help, that says, I'm an ancestor, but they're not from

Christina Lee pratt: 00:50:58

your lineage, you know, like, how am I supposed to make sense

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:01

out of that, you know, so that's another thing that happens. And

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:03

so my sense out of that would be it is an ancestor from a life in

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:08

which you incarnated as a Chinese person or something, you

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:11

know, you incarnated outside of this particular gene pool. But

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:15

you would have to incarnate in different gene pools, how would

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:18

you learn stuff anyway, back to your so unresolved ancestral

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:25

issues tend to wait, those issues in our life, so they

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:34

weigh more heavily on us, and tend to bias our perspective

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:38

about life, our perspective about ourselves and our

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:41

potential. And they tend through that bias, to get us to make a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:46

contemporary version of the same choices in the same pattern. So

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:51

unresolved ancestral issues are extremely problematic right now.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:51:57

And unresolved family trauma may or may not propagate the same

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:02

trauma, but it propagates problems for the living, we

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:06

don't we end up not really having kind of a clean slate to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:10

write our life on, we end up with a biased bias perspectives.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:16

I do a lot of ancestral healing, in addition to Soul Retrieval

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:20

work. And then past lives do show up in all of these

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:23

different things that I do. So these are all things that that I

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:28

work with, but what I try to train people to do as students,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:31

but then also with the small groups of people that I teach,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:34

to do healing work, the way I do is diagnose what you're working

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:37

on, because they all feel like parts of ourselves. But just

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:41

because it's a part of our self doesn't mean it's the same kind

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:43

of part of ourselves. So there's that issue. And so really

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:46

understanding what happens and with like a big

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:51

a big family pattern, can create trauma that creates soul loss.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:56

But there's also the ancestral issue. And then in the midst of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:52:59

all of that can create some really shadowy things that we do

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:02

as well, as well as a whole bunch of personal fragmentation.

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:05

So one problematic ancestral pattern can generate a whole lot

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:10

of different fragmentations as we as a kid tried to struggle

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:14

with an issue nobody's talking about, because that's the other

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:17

thing. I mean, I'm sure you know this, and anyone who's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:20

experienced trauma, half the issue is you've had this

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:23

experience, no one will talk. No one acknowledges it, or they

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:28

gaslight you and tell you something else was going on. But

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:31

as kids, we feel this miasma of this unresolved ancestral

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:36

energy. And if it's, it's feels attacking. Because what it's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:41

doing is it's looking for lifeforce to create change, it

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:46

wants out, it wants freedom from being stuck in what it is, but

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:51

it can only get that through the living. And so it tends to kind

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:55

of cannibalize our life, not because it's evil or bad, but

Christina Lee pratt: 00:53:59

because it wants an opportunity for somebody to make a new

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:01

decision. But we're so biased by it, we don't make a new

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:06

decision, we make a new version of the same old decision. So

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:10

it's a mess. It's really a mess right now. And we can see just a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:14

little tiny context with the war in the Ukraine, with all of the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:19

stuff that's going on in our world right now in the United

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:21

States is such a mess right now. So much of this is rooted in

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:26

ancestral issues. And so I offer a whole arc of how to begin to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:31

deal with your ancestors from the absolute most basic What do

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:35

I do when I don't even know who my ancestors are? Which is not

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:38

an untypical American thing to experience or what do I do if I

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:41

don't like my relations? I don't want to have anything to do with

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:44

them. That's pretty common, all the way through learning to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:48

transform those patterns I was just talking about. And then the

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:51

third part of that for people that learn all those skills, is

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:54

how do we work together as a collective with the skills to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:54:58

change social issues, you know, systematic patterns of abuse and

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:04

injustice. And in so we're just learning how to do all those

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:08

things not to totally hijack the show. But, but that is a real

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:11

issue. It's a big thing. And and they tend to get conflated

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:17

because it's similar patterns, you know. So different patterns

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:24

of abuse that are getting handed down through the family line,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:27

then hit this generation, and some people are able to respond

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:30

to it and say no, and other people in the family kind of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:34

cave into it, and then become the next generations expression

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:37

of that pattern. And then the young are angry at everybody,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:41

because they're handing the stuff on to them. And so we

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:44

don't understand, you know, why are teenagers are so angry right

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:47

now? Well, look at the world we're handing to them. There's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:50

all this baggage we're handing to them, you know? Yeah, so it's

Christina Lee pratt: 00:55:53

kind of a mess. You know,

Anna Maydonova: 00:55:55

this is a gold nugget. Honestly, Christina,

Anna Maydonova: 00:55:58

because I had a guest on my podcast, Vanessa Reuters. She

Anna Maydonova: 00:56:06

mentioned that our trauma takes 14 generations to two to repair,

Anna Maydonova: 00:56:15

and my Peeth one repair for the whole life. So I think it takes

Anna Maydonova: 00:56:20

like seven past life and seven new lives. What I was trying to

Anna Maydonova: 00:56:28

say that, don't educate your kids, educate yourself. Because

Anna Maydonova: 00:56:34

that's, that's how you passing Christina, and Hunter you? What

Anna Maydonova: 00:56:41

tools do you have? What tools do you use for people to help them

Anna Maydonova: 00:56:46

with healing?

Christina Lee pratt: 00:56:48

So one of the interests is a really good

Christina Lee pratt: 00:56:50

question, because we're the first thing I experienced a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:56:52

brand new practitioner, this is now over 30 years ago, is I'm

Christina Lee pratt: 00:56:57

doing Soul Retrieval work with people and in an extraction of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:01

those invasive energies over time. So I'm doing that work

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:04

with people, and mostly handing them back to their own support

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:07

network, because I was working at the time with a lot of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:10

therapists that were interested in collaborating with their

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:14

people. So they would send me people, I do one session with

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:17

them and send them back, and they would integrate the work

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:19

with their therapist. It's a wonderful setup. So what

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:25

happened though, is the more people received soul parts back

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:30

and grew healthier internally, they had no skills to be healthy

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:35

externally, yet, they didn't have any new communication

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:39

skills, they didn't know how to manage their energy body and be

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:43

grounded and have boundaries, you know, there was just all of

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:46

this lack of education for how to be in the world as a healthy

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:51

person. And so I started teaching classes, to help people

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:55

learn how to do that. And mostly, I just took what I

Christina Lee pratt: 00:57:57

learned and taught them how to do that. And then the other

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:01

thing that was happening while this was happening, which I

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:03

won't go too much into, but I was also receiving this whole

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:06

system of teachings with its own cosmology. And so for people

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:12

that want this big overhaul answer to this whole question

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:15

you're asking, they do this four year training. But most people

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:18

don't have the time to do that, these days. And it's hard,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:22

almost people don't want to. And so right here, kind of in the in

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:25

the belly of the beast, which is a person who has experienced

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:28

trauma is in recovery, wants some additional skills to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:32

whatever they have. So what we offer is healing services. So we

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:38

offer people to do Soul Retrieval work potentially, to

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:41

do extraction work, essentially, to help you get back the energy

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:45

that's yours, and get it back in your energy body where it

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:48

belongs, and get out the energy that's not yours, and put it

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:51

back wherever it belongs, or do whatever needs to be done with

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:53

it. But the idea is to at least get you in one place where you

Christina Lee pratt: 00:58:58

belong. So that's the healing services that are offered. But

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:02

we also have online classes. And there's three arcs of online

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:07

classes. But the main arc for just anybody doesn't require

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:12

shamanism. The main art for any body is those is based on those

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:17

life skills classes I was talking about in the beginning,

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:19

which is how do you maintain yourself so that you can be a

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:23

healthy person in a world that in many environments you're in

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:27

isn't healthy? In many relationships, you'll be in

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:30

their very, at least dysfunctional, if not

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:34

potentially abusive? How do you navigate an environment that

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:37

isn't? Well, potentially, alright, and then how do you

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:41

gain the skills with others to create real connection and begin

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:46

to rebuild community in your life, build family in a new way?

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:50

You know, like you were saying, based on the education you've

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:52

given yourself, how do you build new relationships and new

Christina Lee pratt: 00:59:56

community that doesn't end up just falling apart? See the way

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:00

so much does in in our world. And so there's an arc of 377

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:07

week classes that are progressive, that build from the

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:10

energy body skills to that looking at those internal

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:13

selves. And understanding which which of those internal selves I

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:17

can integrate with? And which are those internal selves I need

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:20

help with back to that diagnostic piece? Is it a sole

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:23

part? Is it ancestral? Is it a shadow energy? Or can I clear

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:27

this myself? Can I work on this myself, so there's that that

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:30

piece is like, life skills for everybody. Then there's like an

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:34

another level of learning a little bit more complex, not

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:38

complex, more strategic clearing skills, and then the next level

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:43

is even more strategic. But they're all built on each other.

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:47

And so that just helps people? How do I live in a healthy in

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:49

the world? How do I integrate these aspects of myself that

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:54

come back? Whether it's a soul part, or, or just had a big, you

Christina Lee pratt: 01:00:59

know, Ayahuasca experience, I don't even know what happened,

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:03

how do I integrate that? So it's giving people those internal

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:06

skills to do that? How do I notice if there's an energy

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:10

that's invasive? And recognize I actually need help with this? Or

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:14

I can just put on the boots and kick them out in a hole? Like,

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:16

what is it that ability to understand? Can I do this

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:19

myself? Is this in my skill set?

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:22

B. Let me say that a little more clearly, can I do this myself,

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:27

because I am the sovereign in my own body, I make the rules.

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:33

Nobody else gets to be here. And nobody else should be here.

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:36

Like, every person should be able, and I say should, in the

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:43

sense of we need to give them the skills to be able to be the

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:48

person in the driver's seat of their own life and

Anna Maydonova: 01:01:53

to heal ourselves. Yeah. So because

Anna Maydonova: 01:01:55

there's

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:55

so much only we can do. And we need to

Christina Lee pratt: 01:01:59

know when to ask for help. And that being able to feel

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:02

confident in that. Alright, this is mine to do. I don't want to

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:05

do it. But okay, I know how to do it, right? And then you do

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:07

it. And then it's better. And then you go, you know what, this

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:10

isn't mine to do. I can't do this myself, I need to ask for

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:13

help. I need to ask for help from this kind of practitioner,

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:15

knowing that is also really helpful in our process, because

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:19

it's not either or. It's both. And there's a lot of sort of New

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:23

Age Oh, you can do it all yourself and psych. No,

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:27

actually, that's never been the way humans were in healthy

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:32

cultures, people helped each other. And yet, in that

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:37

sovereignty place, yes, you're right. You are the only person

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:39

who can do that. Bottom line is you're the one who has to say

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:43

yes or no. Yes. And the problem with childhood is we're not

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:47

there yet. We're kids. Right? Yeah. So so yeah. So basically

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:54

teaching people a lot of skills to do their own work and where

Christina Lee pratt: 01:02:58

we need help training people to to be available as practitioners

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:03

to help people in that way.

Anna Maydonova: 01:03:06

For those who want this help, where people can

Anna Maydonova: 01:03:09

find you.

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:11

Yeah, okay, so my, I can be reached at last

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:15

mask center, las TMS, que los mas center.org. And you can find

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:21

online classes there, you can connect to me through that

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:24

website to get sessions. You can also get referred to other

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:28

people. If you don't like to wait to get a session with me. I

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:31

have a short list of people that I've trained that do healing

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:34

work very much like I do. Let's see, though, and then there's

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:40

also a huge archive of podcasts. I have over 500 hours of

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:46

podcasts that are free for people to listen to at why

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:48

shamanism. now.com And so sometimes you can find the

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:51

answer you're looking for there. It's a bit of a deep dive. That

Christina Lee pratt: 01:03:57

that's a lot of hours, right. But um, but there's a lot of

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:00

information there to support people and exactly what you're

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:03

talking about. How do I understand how to do this

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:06

differently in my life, because it is mine to do but I don't

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:08

know how to do it. Right. That's what that podcast was mostly

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:12

about.

Anna Maydonova: 01:04:12

Yeah. It's an amazing podcast, and there's so

Anna Maydonova: 01:04:15

much value. Christina, thank you so much. Before we go, do you

Anna Maydonova: 01:04:22

have any concluding thoughts?

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:25

First is just to thank you. Thank you for

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:29

walking your path for offering this place as a resource for

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:34

people to do the work they need to do around their own life

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:39

experience because we humanity that big way. We need your

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:44

gifts. We need yours. We need every the only way we're going

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:47

to do this together. And we need to do it as people that have

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:52

learned how to bring their own unique gifts out and so I thank

Christina Lee pratt: 01:04:57

you for the role that you're you're Playing in helping people

Christina Lee pratt: 01:05:01

to do that is a hard way to learn to experience trauma. But

Christina Lee pratt: 01:05:09

if we can turn it into that gold, you were talking about

Christina Lee pratt: 01:05:13

turning it into that way that I still find my way to my purpose

Christina Lee pratt: 01:05:18

to who I am and to bring my gifts to the world then, so be

Christina Lee pratt: 01:05:22

it

Anna Maydonova: 01:05:24

to your superpower. Ladies and

Anna Maydonova: 01:05:28

gentlemen, Christina Lee Pratt. Thank you for being here. I know

Anna Maydonova: 01:05:35

it's not easy, but there is a part of you, who is ready to

Anna Maydonova: 01:05:39

take this journey all the way. And I can help. Reach out to me

Anna Maydonova: 01:05:44

directly at ena at nma. The nova.com to get to work. You can

Anna Maydonova: 01:05:51

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Anna Maydonova: 01:05:54

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Anna Maydonova: 01:06:10

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Anna Maydonova: 01:06:14

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Anna Maydonova: 01:06:19

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Anna Maydonova: 01:06:23

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