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While everyone agrees that transcribing your podcast is a good idea, there is some confusion over its value in SEO, and is investing the time it takes worth it? The Podcast Superfriends get together to discuss their experiences with transcription... so far.
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Headliner: https://www.headliner.app/
VEED: https://www.veed.io/
Trint: https://trint.com/
Descript: https://www.descript.com/
Gotranscript: https://gotranscript.com/
Otter: https://otter.ai/home
Riverside: https://riverside.fm/homepage
Temi: https://www.temi.com/try-rev
Podsqueeze: https://podsqueeze.com/
Capsho: https://www.capsho.com/
SwellAI: https://www.swellai.com/
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Sarah Burke (Voiceover) 00:01
welcome to the podcast Super Friends. Five podcast producers from across North America get together to discuss podcasting.
Matt Cundill 00:13
As we welcome it is
Johnny Podcasts 00:14
everybody I am Johnny podcast and I have coming from Horned Frog country baseball team is currently doing very well. I'm a full time I don't even know why we say full time anymore. I'm a Podcast Producer I focus a lot on audio and video. And I'm really excited to be here with my Super Friends.
Catherine O'Brien 00:32
Coming in with the probably the most prepared Super Friends episode we've ever had. My name is Catherine O'Brien I'm tuning in from Baton Rouge, Louisiana. I'm a podcast I'm also a full time Podcast Producer, and my company's called branch out programs.
David Yas 00:47
David yeahs in Boston pod 617 dot com the Boston Podcast Network. I am a Podcast Producer 110% of the time, even more than full time
Jon Gay 01:03
John Gage Agon Detroit podcast. Like Johnny I am repping my alma mater today although I don't believe we have a baseball team. But best of luck to y'all. John gave Jack in the trade podcast I produce podcasts branded podcast for businesses and nonprofits based out of the Detroit area.
Matt Cundill 01:18
Matt Cundill, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, the sound podcast network and we are the home of about 70 some odd podcasts and we also make them produce a bunch of them. Thanks for everyone for being here today. There's not a lot of excitement when I sort of mentioned what the subject matter is, because it's a weird one and an outlier. Now, just so if you're listening to the show for the first time, we work with podcasters. And they have a lot of questions. And I think one of the questions that has come up a lot over the last year. And I went back in my notes, and it really started to ramp up in March of 2022. And that's the idea of transcription.
Jon Gay 01:57
We had one of us taking notes.
Matt Cundill 02:00
I had to look back to find out and so I'll just tell my stories that I went back around that time and I started to push in a little bit on transcription, I got into a bit of a Twitter discussion with James Cridland and Rob Greenlee who were on stage a podcast evolutions. And I said, Why is it that we would have to pick up the bill for transcriptions? Is it really worth it? Blah, blah, blah. And I got some pushback from James Cridland said You of all people should be able to cover the cost of this and find a sponsor on your podcast of which I did find a sponsor the same day. So he was right, I could find a sponsor to cover the cost of that thing. But but in that time, it has been a bit of an adventure. And one thing we've talked a lot about, and had questions from our clients. So that's why we're going to discuss this today. And that's transcriptions. But first, I want to start off with one question and just go around the table and you can you can weigh in as, as you can hear, and that's what's the difference between captions and transcriptions? Jack
Jon Gay 02:58
Wow, on the hot seat, ah captions to make I might be wrong. So feel free to, you know, buzz me or Gong me on this. But to me, a caption is auto generated pops up on the screen as it's happening. A transcription is a preset document that has a list of what everything said that's very useful. We'll come back to this especially for accessibility, those who may be hard of hearing, or differently abled. So to me a caption kind of pops up automatically a transcription is a more formal document. IMHO
Matt Cundill 03:33
any disagreement?
Johnny Podcasts 03:38
I wouldn't, I wouldn't disagree. I wouldn't necessarily, I would think that their uses are different, which is why they're titled differently. So captions are normal, at least in my experience, we're usually no, we're normally using captions for 15 to one minute long videos that we're sharing on social that way. The reason that you're adding those on there is so combining with the visual element or if you're doing an audio Graham, but if you're doing we're doing video podcast, and we're putting the we're we're burning on the captions on there. So it gives that person an extra excuse that they don't have to open the video, but they can stop and read what's happening. And hopefully, after they read a sentence or two, they find it interesting enough to actually click onto the video and consume the rest of the that little clip that we're posting, which would then hopefully drive them to listen to a full episode of the podcast to drive them to become a full subscriber versus like Jack said with people who may be hard of hearing or consume podcast by reading them, which I would make the argument has maybe like 1% of the total listening population, which is not a percent of the population that we should discount totally. But you're reading the podcast as if it were like a blog post or an essay or a book maybe and that would be my kind of detailing it out a little bit more of what Jack said.
David Yas 04:52
Yeah, I'll jump in and say when you caption something like an audiogram to promote your podcast, like Johnny was rough pronouncing, those are the ones when when we, when I create those, I want to make sure that the, the words are perfect, because those are your only you only got like 60 seconds or so to capture someone's attention. And they are powerful, right when you see a captioned, you know, tick tock video or Yeah, and it's got the animated words and certain words are popping, that is a persuasive way to get people in to your podcast. And transcription is, you know, you want them to be accurate. And but if you were trying to produce a podcast, a video podcast, where you're going to edit every word and have that caption at the bottom of the screen, that's something that's very time and time intensive. And I'm not sure any of us go through that level, or people want to necessarily pay for that now. But there are good services that can produce pretty accurate transcripts.
Johnny Podcasts 06:00
David, you may be just think of it, there is one startling similarity between captions and transcriptions that we may be overlooking, and it's that they're boilerplate. Now, you have to have them both, every podcast, it has a transcription element, at least somewhat to them now and clients and people who are hosting podcasts and would expect that from the people that they're working with. And if you're creating video or promotional material, audiograms videos, having captions on there is kind of like you sort of have to have that now. And there's just too many tools out there available, whether it's headliner, or whether it's v.io, which I use, that they just automatically do it in there. And if it's only a minute long, yeah, you can edit those and make them correct. They're not perfect, but it's sort of that extra step that you kind of have to take. Now, if you want your podcast to even compete with all the other ones.
Jon Gay 06:48
Here, Johnny, you're saying it's table stakes to have these transcriptions? I think, you know, and we'll get into this a little bit more as we go through this today. But, you know, there are services, as you mentioned, that will generate your transcription with AI and I have found them generally 90 ish percent accurate, depending on the service. And then it's a matter of going in and tweaking what they made, you know, whether it's punctuation or misspelling, names, things like that. I have actually recently begun paying a service that has a human person, a human person, a human person transcribing the episodes, it costs a little bit more than the AI. But to me, it was worth it to buy my time back, it was worth it. For me as a producer, it was worth it. They range depending on the bells and whistles you need, if there's thick accents, if there's more than two people, if things have that that audio transcription service typically raised between one and $2 a minute, for an actual person to go through and transcribe the podcast, which I get a 15 or 30 minute podcast for a client, it's worth it to me to have some pay someone to do it and I can skim it, copy paste it or not spend a half an hour tweaking it or put something generated by AI afterwards, that's not totally accurate.
Matt Cundill 07:57
Catherine, why should podcasters transcribe the show?
Catherine O'Brien 08:01
Ah, there's a couple of reasons that I would suggest some of them are obvious, we've talked about a little bit of the accessibility issue that is real people who are hard of hearing or deaf, they would like to access pod casts. And so a transcript is a great reason to do that. Accessibility. The other reason and this one kind of has come up for some of my clients is if you are talking about a controversial topic, you would like to have a transcript that is a record of what you actually said, let's check the transcript and see what we actually said about this particular issue if something should come up. So that's your honor, I read it in the transcript, it's a PDF, it can't be changed, like these captions you've been talking about? Yeah. So that's a great reason to have it as a as a record. And then I have also found, this is one of those that because we are in podcasts, and we'd love podcasts. It's not this is not for us. But some people, they're not fans of listening to podcasts, and they much would much rather skim a PDF document and get the information that way. So I know for exactly I'm thinking of one client in particular, they do some materials for that they expect their staff to listen to so it's not quite an internal podcasts, but there's information about the organization. And some people just aren't audio listeners, they want to be able to read something and get the same information. So those are some reasons right off the top of my head.
Matt Cundill 09:23
But Katherine, I don't want people to read the show. I want them to listen to the show.
Catherine O'Brien 09:28
I know Matt, I know you want people to listen to the show, but sometimes I can't. We can't choose how people want to consume our content all the time fish where
Jon Gay 09:39
the fish are make your show available to everybody I would assume not put shows on YouTube but at the same time people are going to consume shows on YouTube so it's
Catherine O'Brien 09:46
I was just gonna say we've we've we're losing that battle for all the people who said I don't want to make an mp4 of my of my show. So sometimes we just have to do what the audience wants and not always what we want to do, Matt
Matt Cundill 09:59
I know we were talking about captions a second ago. I think we're being captioned right now, if anybody's watching this on Facebook, is that possible?
David Yas 10:08
Yeah, the Facebook Live will auto generate captions. Now, those aren't necessarily going to be accurate. I don't know if it's properly interpreting my Boston accent for example.
Jon Gay 10:21
Wicked close
Johnny Podcasts 10:22
with that a David, it just says Matt Damon call
Matt Cundill 10:26
Goodwill Hunting. Apples are the reasons why we should transcribe show
Johnny Podcasts 10:35
SEO. So Matt has hit on it, you know more times where we can count, you have to have a website for your podcast. And you'll notice that in your hosting site, which is different from your website, the hosting is where you're actually uploading each episode, the episode description, you can't fit an entire transcript in there. And even then SEO crawlers and websites like Google are pulling from the episode title, rather than what's normally in your description, something we've found out in the recent past. And if you're going to have a website, which you should, then you should probably have a transcription of your episode because Google will pull your transcript for SEO purposes. And what better way than having the entire episode written out and having that boost your website up when people search for your guest, the company they work for the 10 or 12 different topics that you talked about books that were mentioned, websites, other podcasts, people, that's all boosting you up the rankings on your web on Google or whatever search engine people are using to help more people find your website.
Jon Gay 11:40
Forgive me for stating the obvious here. But this is what I tell my clients, the Johnny's point, Google can search text, Google hasn't yet been able to search audio. So you need a text version of your content for Google to find it for SEO. Catherine, I cut you off I'm sorry,
Catherine O'Brien 11:55
not sorry. And also if you find people who in your audience who do want the transcript, that can be a great email opt in. So if you have an email list, which you should have an email list, that's a great little gimme, for people who want to get on your list if they are interested in getting that transcript.
Matt Cundill 12:11
I think Apple's crawling the audio, they're already pulling keywords in order to categorize shows, I think Dan Meisner found that a few months ago. So I think at some point, Google is going to be doing the same thing and creating their own transcripts, and then using that to figure the whole thing out.
Jon Gay 12:27
Well, as we all know, Google tends to lag behind Apple in the world of podcasting.
David Yas 12:33
I have, oh, do you want to keep going on SEO? Matt, I have a different? Nope, keep going. Okay, well, another reason to explore the world of transcription is maybe, maybe it's an obvious one, oh, no, but editing, it makes editing your podcast a heck of a lot easier. If you're working with someone, say you have a guest on your show, the guest calls the next day and say, I want to take out the part about when I talked about how much I love my dog, because my dog just died. That's terrible. That's a really dark example. But let's say something like that, and you know, geez, I gotta get that part out. It's gonna make it a lot easier for you to find that without having to search through I don't remember what he said that, you know, you can keyword search for the name of the dog or whatever. And, you know, I had a, I was producing a podcast last week, and it was an expert talking about generative AI. And he kept saying, generative AI. And finally, finally, I stopped and I said, you know, I don't mean to tell you your business, but I think you're saying genitive AI instead of generative. He said, I am Oh, man. And so I said, don't worry about it. Just make it right. From now on, I was able to do a search and replace with the audio of the way the word was supposed to be pronounced. So
Johnny Podcasts 13:54
I suppose it's better than genital AI? Yeah, in
David Yas 13:57
my mind, that was a different, that's a different podcast. But that
Matt Cundill 14:00
sort of brings me to the intersection though, of you know, transcriptions and editing. Is anybody using descript? To do that? Yes. Love it. Yeah, I mean, so editing and transcription are kind of coming together in that in that facet.
David Yas 14:16
Yeah, that's why I continue to use the script, even though it is not the most super accurate transcription tool. But, you know, it gets up there to, you know, around 90%, probably, but it's just such a timesaver when you're looking to cut out certain language, you know, or move things around. And, you know, for those who haven't used the script, there are some useful tools you can search for a host of filler words. Usually do take out the ALMS and us with one click of the mouse and so you do have to be careful you're not like cutting anything that shouldn't be cut, but it's a fantastic time saver. I find
Jon Gay 14:59
what I signed up to The script is that it has it. For long podcasts where you need to take big chunks out, we need to take out a whole sections of audio or move it around. It's fantastic for that, and I just interrupted over it again, I'm sorry.
Catherine O'Brien 15:14
I would like to now do a dramatic reenactment of every single time a new transcription service comes into the realm of the podcast, Super Friends, Super Friends, guess what I learned about a new transcription service? The rest of the Super Friends? Oh my gosh, tell us all about it. How is it going? It's pretty good. It works at about, I would say 90% of the rest of the Superfriends nod knowingly. It seems like we've all had the same transcription issues. They they come on strong. We try them out. 90. But we get to that we get to that nice, juicy ai 90%. And we all either need to do human tweaks or you know, some sort of correction that we know it's going to come up every single time. And we're all we're all just right there right at that 90% It's just it just can't get to that 100%. And especially if you have any kind of dial like like David was saying before any sort of accent or jargon or terminology that's specific to as an industry. It rarely can catch up on those things. But so we're all just right at that seven, seen and seen
David Yas 16:21
Matt Cundill 17:27
know. David, I've heard that Trent is very good. It is quite pricey, though, isn't it? Yep.
David Yas 17:32
Well, yeah, I know. We'll call off top my head, how much it costs. But yes, you pay for it?
Catherine O'Brien 17:39
Counterpoint, maybe, maybe we should keep it at the 90%. So that then it doesn't take over and destroy all of civilization. That's just also another thought.
David Yas 17:50
Well, I have seen some podcasters, where you'll see the transcript of the show posted on a website. And it'll say, you know, this is generated by a transcription service, please know that it might not be 100% accurate. And if, if you're putting it up there for SEO purposes, then you know, 95% is really just fine. But if but there are some people who are going to work with that one every word, you know, spot on accurate.
Johnny Podcasts 18:16
Yeah. Another kind of way that I'm using it is, I have some clients that I'm working with, rather than posting videos, like short clips to promote the podcasts on social media, or turning them into like, kind of quote, graphics. So we're pulling like really interesting things that people can read. So if you're consuming something on Twitter, or Instagram, rather than scrolling by and seeing another podcast, where do you see oh, this is six sentences of a really interesting piece of dialogue from an episode. And the transcript can be really helpful in pulling that. So you can search by keyword, whether it's entrepreneurship, business investing, that's the space that I play. And so those are just the words that come to my mind. And then you can pull that tax, put it into figma or Adobe Illustrator or Photoshop make a really cool quote, graphic card that's engaging and bright. And that's another way that you were using the transcripts. Jag What do you
Matt Cundill 19:09
use for transcripts? The scripts so
Jon Gay 19:11
so I use the script, what I do when I generate one through AI, the service that I use that pays actual people to do it is called Go transcript, which was recommended to me by a guest of one of my podcast clients, who was the Dean of a medical school somewhere and said, it this is, this is the one I use for lectures and it's better, it's probably it's probably 99% accurate.
David Yas 19:34
Another thing to script as to, to sort of put a little shine on your transcripts or really your podcasts is there are stock voices, really robotic voiceover artists, some better than others, but they give you about a dozen different voices you can choose from literally type the text and and it's good for if you need a quick way to create An opening to a to a segment, you know, it says, Now let's check the mailbag, something like that. Now that'll sound fine. If it's if it's anything, you know, super long, the listener will realize it's a robot, but, and you can create your own virtual voice as well, if you read a script, and then type in mixed results there, but the scary world of artificial intelligence, if you try that, Dave, yeah, I have. Which my own voice? Yes, yeah. And I've used it, if I just need if I've voiced something over on the past, and like, I have to insert a couple of words, for some reason that the client is requesting, it can often work pretty well. But if you if you were, you know, this comes in handy if you're not near a microphone or anything, and your only option is to talk into your crappy laptop, microphone. But if you needed to say something like on today's show, we'll be talking with Janet Smith, who is a CEO of blah, blah, blah, it probably is not going to be great, because it won't pick up all the correct intonations and sort of your usual cadence and flow of your speaking style. That may improve over time. But I've used the robot ones the the first, the first choice they give you is sounds a lot like the guy that used to do the voiceover for every movie of the 80s. You know. That's what it sounds like. So it's, you can have fun with it. You know, if you want it works, if it's kind of a light segment, you know,
Catherine O'Brien 21:33
I have to say, David, you you're hearing you do that demonstration with your voice was the very first time I'd ever heard the descript generate the voice for you. And it gave it I remember, I had chills because it was sort of like, there was something uncanny valley for me about hearing your voice, you know, your voice generated Just out of nowhere. And I remember thinking like, Okay, I as a human being I can tell this is not a human speaking, but it was it was a little too close for comfort. So there's been a couple of moments with the AI. There's a couple of Boston dynamic robots that I've seen where I'm like, Okay, I feel it in my the fiber of my humaneness. And but that was one of the moments where I was like, Oh, this is just getting started. It's it's going to be going somewhere plate pretty soon, that's going to be interesting times for sure. I
Matt Cundill 22:22
mean, is there a lawyer in the house? Like, should we be changing the words of our clients after they record something? Do I need to get a waiver signed? Is there a lawyer around here? Good idea.
David Yas 22:32
The way that descriptors I think is getting around any legal issue is you have to read a script that takes about 10 to 15 minutes to read. And so because of that, at least through the script, you're not able to generate a robot of someone else. Right? So because that that would be even scarier, but now I'm sure that's coming too. But you don't want a case where, you know, you could literally say, Hey, I, I interviewed Tom Cruise this morning, and here's what he had to say. And, and you could make Tom Cruise say anything you want. But so yeah, but But again, it's so far, it's it's useful, but I mean, it's coming. It's crazy.
Matt Cundill 23:17
I use otter and I think otter is one of the first ones to get in on this. And it's otter.ai if you'd like to check it out a few $100 does a really good job, but at something that is an absolute I must have. And I've been shopping for a transcription service for quite a long time, is the separation of speakers is an absolute must. And headliner. I love headliner, you don't separate the speakers. Is it just me or is is that sort of form of transcription completely useless if you don't separate the speakers?
Jon Gay 23:51
If you don't know who's saying what yeah. It's think you're trying to get better at that Adobe, Adobe does that in Adobe Premiere. They can generate transcript from not not an audition yet the audio but in Premiere the video yes.
Matt Cundill 24:05
And jag you had a you had a hack with Microsoft?
Jon Gay 24:10
Yeah, so this was actually at the credit where credit is due. The podcast editors mastermind sponsored a show notes summit a couple weekends ago, and I've been catching up on the seminars, they didn't watch it live. And they were there was actually a blind couple that talked about the importance of accessibility in podcasting. They showed screen readers and how those work and one of the tools they use when it came to transcription to cover the you know, to cover. Those who are hard of hearing is the newer version of Microsoft Word, not the standalone, but the one that's more focused online and lives online in the cloud has a transcription service where you can upload audio to it and it will generate the text from it. And I believe that will separate speakers as well. Matt So I, I don't have the newest version of words, so I haven't had a chance to play with it. But if any of our listeners are or even the call does have the newest online version of Word that is a new bell slash whistle that they have offered.
Catherine O'Brien 25:07
Does anybody have any insight? I think, Matt, you might have a little insight on this, how when we are talking about these different services, how much are we? How different are they? Are they all is it? Is it one company that's being used by under different brand names? Is it? Is it one sort of brain that's doing all of this? Or are there literally all these multiple companies that are competing with each other?
Matt Cundill 25:31
I think they're borrowing. So we discovered I think the last time we spoke, I don't know if it was our group meeting or in the podcast, Super Friends, that it was descript was taking the transcription from otter.
Jon Gay 25:47
Yes, I believe they told us that a Podcast Movement last year, we were talking about that on our private call the five of us Yeah,
Matt Cundill 25:52
yeah. And, and you had mentioned a fault in it jag where the next person starts talking. The first word is left behind with the last speaker. Yes. And you had mentioned that, as you mentioned that as a phone for descript. And I've noticed it in Otter as well. So those gather headliner, I know, takes from Google. So yeah, they're kind of all borrowing from one another. And I think there's probably an API that a company can go into and just use transcription. I mean, it's simple. This is why we have so many companies like Riverside now jumping into, hey, we've got transcription. And who's our Riverside person here? Is that you, Johnny?
Johnny Podcasts 26:33
Yes. And we went through the Riverside transcription tool on our private call. And the words that it did capture were accurate. However, there was a lot that it didn't capture, and it would just show up as a wave form. So I think it was even less than what you would get on a descriptor or, or any number one of these other services. So I think in terms of ranking all of these services, I would put Riverside transcription, specifically probably at the bottom. Interesting.
David Yas 27:03
Matt, Matt, do you want me to play an example of the robot? Dave talking through the script?
Matt Cundill 27:09
Yeah, why not? We got We got lots of time today.
David Yas 27:13
This is robot Dave, coming to you from Boston. I just got done recording my own podcast with the robot Super Friends. I hope this doesn't freak Catherine out too much. And now here's the guy who sounds like the movie trailer,
27:27
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Jon Gay 27:38
that have that. That's our radio host called pukey 12 in a row next. For sure,
Matt Cundill 27:48
that's funny. How's the accuracy? Because I think it 90% doesn't feel like it's good enough.
David Yas 27:57
It's not I think 90% is somewhat embarrassing. I mean, if you were if one of us were to provide that to a client, they would notice right away that it's so it but again, I think it depends on your, your, your use for the transcript. Now I produce some podcasts for financial entities, and they need to run it to compliance. Right. And for them, I try to get it as accurately as possible because this is like a legal issue. And so, you know, you don't want to miss a word and trip up. But I, I'd love to live in a world Oh, here I go. I'd love to live in a world where, where it was just sort of accepted that most transcripts are going to be in the 90 95% range for the purposes of something like SEO, because I think it gets the job done. And it's it's all a matter of time and resources. I mean, you can you can outsource your transcript to Jonny, maybe you do this. I know you outsource certain things to people overseas. Yeah.
Johnny Podcasts 29:00
Yeah, I have to I have two people currently that do things for me. So basically, what what I have them do is I have them, I have both of them on otter. So I bought them otter subscriptions. And then what their job is, is to proofread it for me. So I've cut out that time of taking back the AI transcript that, you know, I could pay someone and say, Hey, make a transcript of this. And they could just run it through otter without telling me and send it to me and then I'd be like, Oh, this isn't perfect. Let me go through and fix it. But that's what I pay them for is fixing up the transcriptions as best as possible. And granted, you know, there's a there's a there's a language barrier. I have a guy in Pakistan doing stuff and you know, fluency in English was part of the part of the deal when I hired him and he I would say he does 98 99% accuracy. And granted, we are talking some of these business podcasts have crazy terms like a Sofer curve, I don't know what that is. It's sosR it's some kind of real estate thing, but I don't expect him to know stuff like that. And then I have A girl over in Greece has been working for me for several years. And she's from America. But she lives overseas now. And she does a fantastic job as well. And what is a big differentiator that they're providing, as well as I have them go through and bold, every time the host asks a question. So if any of these clients are going to turn these transcripts into blog posts, or use them for any anything else, they can easily, you know, depict between who the speaker is and when a new part of the episode starts. So it's like a visual cue of a timecode.
David Yas 30:30
Proper nouns are a big thing, right? Because I do certain sports podcasts and when I use headliner to create those audio grams, and if there's like a baseball coach on he starts naming all of his players very well. And this guy, you know, Billy Ray, oh, flannel, steamed, or whatever. That's a bad example. But
Jon Gay 30:48
like Irish and Jewish David.
David Yas 30:51
That's why the transcripts and service had problems with the but like, if he starts running, I start to cringe. I'm like, Oh, God, I'm gonna have to look up the spelling of all of these people. You know, I hope I can find them on Google. Because Lord knows that that headline is not going to know how to spell unusual names, you know? So, the other thing to look out for and that's something people are going to care about, obviously, if it's if the person in question is actually looking at it, they want their name spelled correctly.
Matt Cundill 31:19
I love the compliance aspect of the whole thing. I also think it's great that Don that Don LaFontaine has come up twice in this show with the world. Yeah, I think we'd also like to have Morgan Freeman narrate the transcript of all of our shows that would be a good
Catherine O'Brien 31:36
dog option as well. That's always a good one.
Jon Gay 31:38
Isn't he in ways or GPS comedies? GPS. Oh,
Johnny Podcasts 31:41
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Jon Gay 31:45
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Matt Cundill 31:47
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Johnny Podcasts 31:53
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Jon Gay 31:58
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Matt Cundill 32:22
So I guess another thing that I mean, when I looked back at the route of transcriptions, the only transcription you could ever get was from public television or public radio about 25 years ago, and at the end of the show for a complete show, send 399 and a sound self addressed stamped envelope to your local PBS station.
Jon Gay 32:40
Okay, so Johnny is selfless just stamped in
Johnny Podcasts 32:44
with these paper bills coming.
Matt Cundill 32:51
All right. So I mean, I guess what about the cost of it? Is anybody find it too much? I mean, it's nice when it's built into Riverside. It's nice if you don't need to have speakers separated in, in the whole thing. I think it's great to be able to send it off to a client so they can find the part that they want. Hey, can you isolate that part for a clip? Yeah, or something like that? But what is your right as of right now, I'm new to podcasting. Tell me which one to use? And why should use it?
Johnny Podcasts 33:22
I think $1 I think Jack, do you pay way too much? I think $1 a minute is way too expensive. If we're talking a 90 minute podcast $90 for a trip for fully edited transcripts. And let's say three people are hard of hearing that listen to your podcast that get 1000 downloads an episode like I don't I don't I don't think you're getting a sufficient return on your investment into that granted long term. You have perfect transcripts for all 800 episodes of your podcast. That's great, but I would outsource it to a person overseas that's that's I've found that to be the cheapest, least expensive option. I think I pay I pay my guy in Pakistan, I pay him like 20 bucks. Starting at like an hour. So if it's at an hour, it's like 20 bucks. And if it gets to an hour, hour and a half I give him like 25
Jon Gay 34:08
Also if you need a new pair of sneakers, Johnny knows where to get them. Yeah, but
Johnny Podcasts 34:13
you know people people shit on and I'm assuming you're doing this job but people shit on like, you know, hiring people overseas. What I'm paying this guy he'd be making $3 an hour doing manual labor outside, I'm asking him to do something that requires significantly less labor intensive from his end, and he's getting quadruple what he normally would be making. So I would call that a win win on both sides. And
Jon Gay 34:34
to that point, Johnny and Catherine was kind enough to recommend a transcript proofreader to me through Fiverr. That was also overseas, that the scripts did the transcript. I sent it off to her, she corrected it, but there were some mistakes and for what I was paying her to have an actual human do it and then what I like about GoTranscript is they actually promote that they have native English speakers doing it whether they're in England or Australia, Canada or the US. And so, for me to spend a few more bucks tend to be able to sort of quote unquote, set it and forget it is worth it to me, I have a, I have some clients that are on, you know, ala carte plans that will pay for the actual transcript, I have some clients that pay me a full boat to handle all the production and handle everything. And then I include the transcript in that higher rate for them. So depends on what you need. But I think what's the key here is, if you're a client, and you are hiring any of the five of us to work on your podcast, you don't want to worry about the nuts and bolts of this thing. You just want to say, Katherine, Johnny, Matt, Dave, handle this for me. So I think what we're talking to here with the ins and outs of all the transcriptions, the transcription stuff is probably for the more of the DIY podcaster, who's, you know, knows they have to get a transcript up.
David Yas 35:50
By the way, I didn't know of course, I didn't know how much I paid Trent. But now I know, because I just looked it up. But it's I pay 75 $75 a month. And I probably use it at least 10 times a month, sometimes more. I like the luxury of not worrying about whether it's going to be there or not not getting hit with a bunch of it, I used to use a service called temi tea Am I which is pretty good, pretty accurate. And that was probably 95, but whatever. But But with that, I remember that if it was short, like on the 15 to 20 minutes side, you'd probably only pay like five to seven bucks. And if it was like an hour long, you might pay as much as 13 to 15 bucks for the transcript. So you know, it's to me, it's the cost of doing business. And yes, certain clients, I'm charging them for the transcript. So it's fine for me, but you know, make your own call.
Jon Gay 36:42
David, on Trent, was that unlimited for that monthly fee? Or was there a limit on how much you could use?
David Yas 36:48
I'm pretty sure it's unlimited. It's no, no.
Matt Cundill 36:53
I think it's a good idea to go and find somebody reputable, like a Trent a temi. Otter descript, because I got stuck in some fly by night stuff. And companies that actually disappeared and got sold to halfway through. And, you know, one of the things instead of, I will just want to mention because I wanted to go back to this question about optimizing transcriptions, for SEO. So I thought that least I was told, which is always a big mistake in podcasting, than if I just copied and pasted the entire transcription into the show, note or into the episode page on my website that Google would listed as being too long to read. And wouldn't, you know, mark it into a, you know, the three or four minutes that they wanted to
Johnny Podcasts 37:38
come back told you that?
Matt Cundill 37:40
I don't know. But I'm dumb for believing it. And maybe it was true at one point. But maybe it's not true anymore. Maybe there maybe Google is smart enough to actually recognize the transcription. So this one company poden had, you can embed the podcast as a widget into the website, I thought that was pretty good, until the company disappeared and got sold and went broke. And then the mechanism broke. And then my websites were like, had like this big box of nothing, which was supposed to be the transcriptions that disappeared from the website. So be careful who you get involved with. And then I gave my money to a second company called average to a V R I O, which really, I think was dealing more with like companies and groups like, like medical groups, or people who dinner interviews or seminars. Anyway, they were from Cyprus, that thing went broke last week. So there I was with my second company. And so I feel like I've kind of been throwing my money down the drain. And if I were to add up all the transcription money I peeled off this year, it's probably close close to seven or $800. So get get somebody reputable that's been in the business in the game for a long time that comes recommended. Don't be like me, and try to go chasing something that you think might be the new and innovative thing. Because there's a lot of fraud out there.
Catherine O'Brien 39:01
Can I share sort of hearing that tale, Matt? One of the things I think is frustrating for me about transcription is it seems necessary. But it doesn't seem major. And again, not to diminish anybody who relies on them as that's their way for getting a podcast episode. I'm not trying to take anything away from from that at all. But it it's it's hard to spend this much time and money and effort to make something so perfect and branded and ready for public consumption. And the impact is just not that great. So it seems so disproportional the amount of time and money and effort that we have to talk about and think about these things. And it just always seems like it's not the thing that's moving the needle, at least for my clients. I guess I know some people really appreciate it. And there are reasons to have it. But this this is exactly you know, this is a lot more now we're starting to talk about hundreds and hundreds of dollars, the average hobbyist podcaster, or somebody who's just getting started, they're not going to have that kind of time and effort. They should be spending their time and effort doing so many other things to make their podcasts strong. So I always whenever we talk about transcripts, it always feels just very necessary evil in a way for me. Yeah, it feels
Matt Cundill 40:21
icky.
Catherine O'Brien 40:23
There's an ick factor. Yeah,
Matt Cundill 40:26
I mean, I mean, 10 I mean, a successful podcast, we'll call it five digit downloads. It could be four digit downloads, that's 1000s of people. And how many people are going to touch the transcript? one hand or two hands? Three or zero zeros I had. So I had one request for a transcript in 350 episodes of the sound off podcast, and it was one person who was who was hard of hearing. That's one request. Now, I don't know if I don't know if I should be doing this for the SEO and how much that really does benefit the SEO but yet I still feel compelled to to do a transcript every week and keep up with
Johnny Podcasts 41:04
the Joneses. Yeah, I feel like and yet we've cranked out 40 minutes on this topic.
Matt Cundill 41:12
Yeah, well, some people are gonna want to I mean, it's I mean, every one of our clients I think asks about it at some point.
Johnny Podcasts 41:20
Sorry, Jack, we cut you off.
Jon Gay 41:21
No, it's fine. I was. I was gonna say the college podcast I did for my college radio stations. 50th anniversary, we have an alum who is deaf. In fact, he when he was a radio DJ, he went by Deaf Jeff on the air he was born 90% hearing loss, I think it was. And I remember when I when I spoke to him, and I interviewed him for the podcast, he actually thanked me for doing transcripts of the podcast, because he doesn't always catch everything when he's, you know, when he's listening to a podcast. And so this project that I've done 100 episodes in or so. And yeah, it's time to hand edit all these transcripts, because it's not a moneymaker. For me. It's a passion project. And every time I'm like, you know, I don't think I feel like doing the transfer. Well, you know, Jeff might want to see it. You know, I think Jeff, Jeff's a really good guy. And the fact that he went out of his way to thank me for doing it as an individual is hard of hearing that that really resonated with me. And the SEO. And I'll bring it full circle. Jeff, Jeff's in his day job actually works on SEO. So he's got both.
Catherine O'Brien 42:22
We need to have him come weigh in on this, then
Johnny Podcasts 42:26
we'd have to type out we'd have to write out what we're saying on whiteboards.
Jon Gay 42:32
He reads lips. Okay. He's a great follow on Twitter during a Syracuse basketball game because when Jim Boeheim was the coach, he would post whatever Jim Boeheim was saying in the huddle.
Matt Cundill 42:42
So I think a lot of the transcription that gets done, there's an AI component to it in some facet, or another. So I want to talk a little bit about because we talked about the transcription toys that are all out there. There's also a lot of AI toys that have come to the front that will do your clips that will, reels and shorts and all that stuff. So what's shown up spirit. Yeah, what's been your show notes, too. So what's been your experience so far?
Johnny Podcasts 43:14
Anyone? Bueller. So I can talk about this extensively. So please cut me off if I get on too much of a soapbox. But I did a four part series on my substack about AI uses in podcasting. And I'll make it very high level. Essentially what I did is I broke up AI and podcasting into two sections of what it's currently being used for, there's production, and then there's content within production. Ultimately, the argument is, is that as far as AI has progressed, it's we're still in the infancy right now. But in terms of production versus content, it is much more helpful in production and the two. Within production, I highlighted the script, and I highlighted isotope RX as tools that you can use. And then some plugins here and there that people can use. But essentially, in terms of speeding up the turnaround process of your podcast, AI is really helpful, whether it's using the script, to transcribe your podcast so that you can edit, whether it's using isotope RX, or a number of other plugins that will actually listen to your audio and give you recommendations to help reduce plosives de essing, reducing reverb or echo, background, noise removal, things like that. It's really, really powerful. So you don't have to go in and actually learn these things yourself. So this is really applies more to producers or people that are working on, either on their own podcasts, or producers who are doing what we do and working with clients. If you want to be able to create really great sounding podcast, you need to utilize some of these AI tools. Then I moved over into the content side of things versus where it's actually using AI to come up with content for your podcast or using AI to repurpose content for your podcast. So the two companies that I highlighted within that are the two tools. One of them was chat GPT chat GPT can be really, really helpful or it can be really, really A lackluster and that all depends on your level of input. If you're using chat GPT to help can, you know come up with ideas for your podcast, you have to be very, very detailed use that whole limit of the input that you can type in this is exactly what my podcast is about. This is exactly what I'm looking to do with it. And the example that I used for chat GPT was that I think the first input I put on the substack post was I have an entrepreneurship podcast, I need to do 10 episodes, give me 10 topics. And it gave me 10 Really, you know, basic topics, and that anybody would look at and go, Oh, that's kind of click Beatty, I don't want to do that, then I contradicted that with a much more detailed input, which was, I need to do a 10 episode series, I'm using no guests, all of these need to be built around the idea of what it takes to become a successful entrepreneur. And I need all of these 10 episodes to connect to each other. And I used to explain to me what each episode is going to be about and how they connect to each episode to create its own series, so that someone could listen to all 10 of these episodes, and nothing else and still get a really big takeaway from it. And it gave me this huge breakdown of everything that you as a podcaster can take. And so all of that's available on the sub stack, you can read it all for free. And then the final one I put out, which is what we've just been talking about to be curious on your thoughts is a company called, we pulled the post, it was called momentum.fm. And so what momentum.fm does is it takes your mannequin even pull it up. Essentially what it does is it takes your RSS feed or it takes your YouTube channel. And the first problem that sticks out to me here is that it's only taking stuff that's already published. So for one of the tools that it offered was, oh, here's a bunch of title suggestions. Well, that doesn't mean anything to me. The episode is already out, why would I change the title after the fact that doesn't help me at all. The other one was, oh, here, the AI will transcribe out the episode, that's great, then it will go in even further and say here are segments that the AI thinks would be useful for videos and we can even create videos beyond that. So momentum does all of that stuff and kind of just goes deeper and deeper and deeper to help create content from stuff that you've already put out. And then the final thing that I thought was funny was it said, Oh, we can highlight people in links that were mentioned in the podcast. And so the episode that I highlighted on the substack was between two men. And it says, Oh, here's a suggestion. Here's a story about the guest as a daughter and her hard working. So it thought that the guest was a girl. And so that clearly is not going to be helpful to anybody. And then the other one was, Oh, we've highlighted all these people in links. One of them was you are BS, I've never heard of that person. So a lot of these tools are really really new and fresh and are still building to become better and better and I'm sure that they will over time. But in terms of whether you're using AI to help speed along the turnaround of an episode or help create extra content, I would focus much more on the former
David Yas 48:06
sorry, Johnny is the website actually momentum.fm Because that's not coming up for me summary I
Matt Cundill 48:12
got I gotta fall to
Johnny Podcasts 48:14
studio.momentum.fm There you go.
Jon Gay 48:20
was gonna say to Johnny's planetoid chat GPT while you guys are pulling that up. What was interesting to me was also in that show notes Summit, there was a section on creating show notes from chat GPT so what was interesting about it, because there's a character input limit, the person doing the demonstration actually broke the show into four chunks that took the transcript, you know, write a summary of chunk one chunk to chunk three, chunk four, and then it took the four generated summaries and they put all that in together and then it gave show notes on the entire show. There are other services out there that I've been playing with none really stick out to me more than another but pod squeezes one cap show ca p s h o n swell.ai What they will do is for various prices and I haven't spent a lot of time with them you can upload your audio it will generate a transcript and or show notes so it can theoretically do both for you and handle a lot of that production post production for you. And from the little bit I've played with not a bad start. I can write better show notes as a human being than then the AI and that it might give me a start or it might give me okay well that's not a bad summary I can I can add and tweak from here but I think that's where we are a lot of the AI is it's not it's a good start and it might save some time but you need human as a gatekeeper for most of it.
Johnny Podcasts 49:42
It's for sure and it's not momentum momento.
David Yas 49:45
Okay. That explains why I still wasn't able to find in John Jack excellent points because AI is it can be powerful. It can be a great thing. It's it can be a great time saver, but it It's a It's so far it's a tool, you know, coming up with in Gianni, maybe you said it like, you know, coming up with 10. I have some podcasters I work with that say, I don't have time to put together a list of questions for this guest. Can you help me? And so, you know, I would always say less question. fewer questions are usually better. But nevertheless, if Yeah, if you punch that into, you know, for a forensic accountant, who, who deals with corporations in the construction industry, give me 10 Interesting questions to ask them in an interview. And they'll give it to you, Chuck GPT will do it for you. They're not necessarily great questions. But you know, if you have a little bit of writer's block, or whatever, it could possibly save a ton of time for you.
Johnny Podcasts 50:43
That's essentially what I said is it's not it's not the end all be all, but it will help get the gears turning in your head so you can take what they give you and then kind of add the human touch to it.
Matt Cundill 50:55
I used to think I still think writing show notes is a pain in the ass. I think when we write show notes, we want to write them for Google more than we write them for people. People know that sad to say, but it's the truth. But I really like what otter does here. This is an episode that's coming up tonight from the sound off podcast. But on the on the iPad, I believe this is counts as a form of AI. And that's, you know, a little bit of a summary. Here's what you spoke about throughout your show. And I think it's Oh, yeah, no, I remember Oh, I did ask that question. Okay, I will put that in the show notes. And so I find that sort of form of AI to be kind of helpful when you're when I'm doing shout outs. For me just when I see it. That's a
David Yas 51:36
great example, that the the thing now I'm forgetting who said it, I guess it was you Jag, the having to split a transcript into four parts, it's already given me a headache is there is there a paid version of GPT where you were, you could put it in
Jon Gay 51:55
today's day, that's where these other ones come in that specialize in podcasts, you can either upload the audio or the transcript of the three again that I know of our swell.ai cap show and pod squeeze that
Johnny Podcasts 52:09
I've played with all three of those jag leads, and they they do a great job of giving you the transcript and kind of what they they pitch is their value add is like is the content repurposing? And so I one of them, I think it was capped show or PA, I think it was cap show was like, Oh, well, if you want to use uh, do a social media post, you click this and here's a bunch of generated headlines and generated episode descriptions to specifically for LinkedIn, and then an email newsletter, and you can drag and drop different pieces of content, the problem that I've that I ran into, and the reason I canceled all of the subscriptions to all of those is it's all clickbait. It's all very much like, not even just writing it for Google, it's writing it for like the 12 year old on YouTube that's looking for Minecraft hacks. And it's like, it is just, it is just this most vanilla, just any person with a functioning prefrontal cortex is gonna look at that and go, either a robot wrote that, or it's something that is just so Tai Lopez II, that I don't even want to click on it. And it's just, I was very unimpressed by all of it. But I'm not saying I'm all out on AI. I think it's just I think we're I've made the comparison that it's like where we are with Tesla's now, at the stage of AI, we're at the horse and buggy stage of AI.
David Yas 53:23
You can you could do an interview podcast with say, an interior decorator and punch it into one of those and it comes up with you know, a proposed audiogram or clip from the pod and the headline will say the shocking truth about your bathroom is revealed by this interior decorator and yeah, you know, you meanwhile your your, your interior decorator didn't say anything shocking at all. But but this is what this is where it's aiming.
Catherine O'Brien 53:50
I have a counter example that I think is actually helpful. I know I've mentioned within our group that headlines have always been a or titles have been a struggle for me. And I started using from CO schedule the headline analyzer. So this is like the titles of things. And I have to say so I've been using this program for a year, it has been very helpful to sort of teach me what Google and other search engines are looking for in a non click Beatty way of what it's what they're looking for in questions. I've learned a lot about how to think in questions because the search engines are trying to answer questions. So back to Matt's example. You know, and even Johnny with you're getting your transcribers to highlight and bold the questions starting to think about the internet is trying to answer questions. If you're thinking in questions, you can start marrying those two things together. And as I was using the headline analyzer, learning more about what the what is considered to be good SEO in those headlines, and I have to say, Johnny, you were saying, you know, what good does it do for us to change the titles of past episodes? There's one client of mine, where we're actually considering changing some of the titles to make them a little bit more optimized. Because as we all know, podcasts have legs. And it's it's been sort of interesting to start thinking about. Let me switch gears a little bit and say, as I'm putting into these headlines, proposing them in the headline analyzer, it's pleasing to me to be getting these great SEO scores and these great headline scores right off the bat, which teaches me like, Okay, I've learned how to sort of think in the words the word choice and the phrasing in a way that's going to be SEO friendly. But anyway, we do have a client that I'm, we're thinking about changing some of the titles, not for clickbait purposes, but because there's good content there. And we want to, we want people to connect to it. And so if we're able to get titles that are bringing people in and bringing listeners in, that might be worth it for us to just kind of as an experiment with some of these older episodes.
Jon Gay 55:57
It's a fascinating case study, Katherine, I'd be curious to see if you got a boost and downloads on previous episodes after you do that.
Catherine O'Brien 56:03
We're, we're just we're in the thinking stage right now. So
Matt Cundill 56:08
I like that. The ability to go in and just change all the all the headlines going, you know, the titles of the episode and going right back to the beginning, and it is you probably get an SEO boost off all that.
Catherine O'Brien 56:20
But and also, but let me stress that i i not clickbait, but it has been, it's been a very good lesson for me to just learn what is being looked for. And now it's specifically the tool that I use, they've, you know, they now have an AI feature. So you can ask the AI, what's their way of writing this headline, and just seeing what some of the options are? Some of them are totally inappropriate there for the Minecrafters. But then other ones are they're right on the money or, you know, it's like, oh, that's a that's a great way of saying the exact same thing I was trying to say. So, you know, I don't know. For all the fears that I have about AI. There are some some benefits too, but yeah, there you go. Oh, go ahead, David.
David Yas 57:07
No, I was just gonna say, I'm gonna Mister, did you mention what service that was counseling? Because I know you've talked about that one before?
Catherine O'Brien 57:13
Yeah, it's so the the it's co schedule is the company and then they have a headline analyzer. That's the tool that I
Matt Cundill 57:21
use Schedule. Okay. Thanks for the program, or is that a Chrome extension?
Catherine O'Brien 57:26
It is. It is a website on the internet. That's, I think probably they probably haven't. They have an extension, I'm sure. But I just yeah, it's it. Yeah. It's the Yes, it is. It is a paid service. But I have found it for all the copywriting. I do. I ended the because shownotes I enjoy writing the show notes. It's been extremely helpful.
Johnny Podcasts 57:48
I have ads. That's not allowed to sign up. Given his track record. As soon as he puts it. It'll go out of company.
Catherine O'Brien 57:56
Do not do not Jinx this one for me. Matt. Let me see if I have an there's let me let me see if
David Yas 58:02
Black Plague. Can I let me see if they if
Catherine O'Brien 58:05
they'll give me a bump for putting you in touch in touch with that.
Matt Cundill 58:09
I'm okay. Oh, it's I mean, it's great. I mean, maybe I'm disappointed all the time, because I expect these things to perform as well as I can. And none of them really do. It's
Catherine O'Brien 58:21
I've used it for already a year. I've used it a year. So I've used it for a whole year and I've already signed up for the second year. So just again
Johnny Podcasts 58:31
for the listeners, she has been using this for a year. She told us about it a month ago.
Catherine O'Brien 58:35
How dare you Johnny hiding it from? How dare you? You just remembered I talked about it a month ago.
Matt Cundill 58:42
Yeah. Catherine is a type and you go to see the band because I was I was here when they were playing like bars
Johnny Podcasts 58:50
you know those all those nights? I told you we couldn't hang out. I was going to see them. I didn't want you guys to know I have
Catherine O'Brien 58:55
their first album, which was a demo reel, which was I bought out of somebody's trunk. So yeah.
Jon Gay 59:00
on cassette. Yeah.
Matt Cundill 59:04
So if we mentioned anything in this show, any form of service, I'm gonna make sure that it hits the show notes. I won't bother with getting the prices, people can go and find that themselves. But whatever services got mentioned, we'll go in the show notes of this episode. And the way we're going to find out is we're going to get a transcript of the episode. I'm going to put a self addressed stamped envelope for $3.99 to the sound off media company. I'll send myself a transcript and then we're gonna find out exactly what was said in the entire show
Jon Gay 59:33
and then have a read the show notes for you, Matt. Yeah, that's right.
Johnny Podcasts 59:41
And all the other websites we mentioned are gonna be screwed up. Five
Jon Gay 59:44
super friends tell you the horrible things you're doing wrong on your
Catherine O'Brien 59:49
the shocking we'll get 90% 90% will be correct and our title is going to be amazing
Johnny Podcasts 59:54
Why 90% Transcription rates
Catherine O'Brien 59:58
and what you can do about it
Matt Cundill 1:00:00
I mean, listen, I know we kind of thought is, are we going to be able to get an hour out of this? And it turns out we did. We did get an hour out of transcript and show notes and a little bit of AI. To change, is it going to is what we spoke about here are going to change the way you do anything?
David Yas 1:00:18
Yes. For me, I've been taken, taken on all these timesavers. And just in the spirit of what we talked about, I'm going to check out Catherine's joined Catherine's cult, because you know it more and more. I don't know. But you guys, it's it's not going away. The fact that we have to I hate writing show notes to it's a pain in the neck. But if there are quick ways to do it, and effective ways to do it, that's one thing. So for me, all right.
Matt Cundill 1:00:47
I'm still gonna continue to subscribe to things and put companies out of business.
Johnny Podcasts 1:00:52
David, David, we've reached the end of the episode, can you please do your obligatory plug of your music podcasts I don't want to bring
David Yas 1:01:02
Well, since you asked in the most recent episode of past ns, the top 10 Time Machine we took the time machine back to 1979 to consider the top 10 albums this week in 1979. Time Machine pod.com Thank you, Johnny. Rock on.
Matt Cundill 1:01:19
round we go say goodbye, everyone.
Johnny Podcasts 1:01:22
Bye, everybody. Reads go read my AI series on substack substack.com/johnny podcasts.
Matt Cundill 1:01:29
Anybody else want to put anything in the shownotes? Well, yeah, I'm
Catherine O'Brien 1:01:31
gonna find out if there is a promo code for me or something an affiliate for the CO schedule.
Matt Cundill 1:01:37
You totally deserve to have one. Yes.
Jon Gay 1:01:39
Valid for everybody except Matt Cundill.
Catherine O'Brien 1:01:43
Sorry, not No, Canada. Oh, no.
David Yas 1:01:48
Bye, everyone, everyone.
Sarah Burke (Voiceover) 1:01:50
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