Shark Communication: Graduate Studies, Sharks Science, and TikTok with Kenzie Horton

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Marine Biology is

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one of those

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careers where you

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are driven by

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passion. And on

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today's episode

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of the How to

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Protect the Ocean

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podcast, I'm

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going to be

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talking to marine

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biologist Kenzie

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Horton, who is

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here to talk

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about her drive

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and her passion

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and how it's

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become a huge

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part of her life

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and

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demonstrates it

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in her career as

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a marine

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biologist. She

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works for the

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state government

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in Florida. She

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is doing a

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master's

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at the same

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time on white

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sharks. She is

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doing science

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communication on

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TikTok to talk

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about everything

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surrounding marine

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biology and

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busting up those

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myths and giving

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you advice

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of what to

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wear and what not

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to wear while

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you're swimming

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in the ocean.

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I do not wear a

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sequined bikini

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because

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apparently

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that may or

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may not have been

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a thing. But she

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talks about a lot

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of stuff

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on today's

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episode and we're

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gonna find out by

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starting the

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show. Hey,

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everybody,

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welcome back to

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another

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exciting episode

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of the How to

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Protect the Ocean

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podcast. I am

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your host Andrew

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Lewin. And this

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is the podcast

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where you find

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out what's

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happening with

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the ocean, how

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you can speak up

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for the ocean,

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what you can do

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to live for a

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better ocean by

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taking action.

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I've got a very

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special guest

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today, Kenzie

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Horton, who is a

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marine biologist.

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I feel like

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she's, you know,

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she's been in the

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career for a

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while. She's been

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in the field for

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a while. And

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she's here to

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talk about her

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experience of how

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she got a job

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coming out of

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universities, the

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struggles that

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she had. But

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she's also here

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to talk about the

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passion that she

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has for marine

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biology, how she

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likes to educate

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people through

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science

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communication,

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how she's doing a

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master's and she

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wants to pursue

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academia, which

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she don't see a lot of people.

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A lot of people

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doing these days,

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but doing a PhD,

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becoming

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professor

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teaching,

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becoming an

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educator, it's

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all here. You

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have everything

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you need in, you

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know, what to

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know about a

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marine biologist.

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Kenzie is that

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formula and it is

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fun to learn her

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story, even

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stretching from

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her inspiration

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of her

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grandfather and

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his legacy and

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how that's come

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out in her

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passion for

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marine biology.

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It is a great

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episode. I can't

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wait for you to

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see the

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interview. So

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here's the

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interview with

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Kenzie Horton

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talking about her

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career in marine

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biology.

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She's a great person to talk about science

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communication and

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doing a master's.

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She is amazing.

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You're going to

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love the

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interview. Enjoy

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and I will talk

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to you after.

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Hey, Kenzie.

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Welcome to the

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how to protect

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the ocean

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podcast. Are you

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ready to talk

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about the ocean?

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Yes, I'm really

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excited. Thank

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you for having

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me. No problem. I

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am very excited

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as well. I've

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been you've been

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on the bucket

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list for the

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podcast for quite

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some time since I

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discovered you on

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TikTok in your

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videos. It's been a real treat to get to know you through through TikTok. But now we're really going to get to know each other through this through this podcast. And I'm very, very excited. Thank you for having me.

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I'm very excited

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because I get I

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want the audience

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to know who you

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are as well.

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Hopefully they'll

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follow you on on

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TikTok as well.

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And we get to see

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what you're doing

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on those videos

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talking about

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sharks talking

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about the ocean,

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making sure

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people are doing

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the right things

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when they swim

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and wearing the

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right things when

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they swim. We'll

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talk about that

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in a second as

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well. But it's

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going to be a lot

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of fun. I'm

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looking forward

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to it and really

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talking about,

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you know, the

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science

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communication

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that you're

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doing. But also

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you're doing

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something really

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special and it

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doesn't happen

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often. You're

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working

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full time in.

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field of marine

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biology, but

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you're also doing

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graduate work in

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the field of

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marine biology at

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the same time. I

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don't know how

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you do it. We're

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going to find out

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today. I can't

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wait before we

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do. I want you to

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let the audience

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know who you are

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and what you do.

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Awesome. Yeah. So

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my name is Kenzie

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Horton. I'm a

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fisheries

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biologist with

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the Florida Fish

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and Wildlife

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Conservation

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Commission in

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Florida. But I

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also am a full

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time grad student

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at Jacksonville

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University where

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I studied the

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movements of

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white sharks in

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their

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overwintering

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residency phase

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Carolinas region.

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with fisheries

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biologists with

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as well as full

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time work with

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Jackson

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University. But

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unique because

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the FWC office

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that I work in is

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marine science

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research

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Jay's campus. So

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everything is in

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one building.

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You have hit the

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perfect note

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there because

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that is like

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you're able to do

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the work and do

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your masters at

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which I love. I

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think that that's

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that's how you

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have to marry it.

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Right. And we'll

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get into that a

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little bit more.

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the key so that

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you don't go

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crazy. You know

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what I mean? Like

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doing two

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separate projects

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is is going to be

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very difficult.

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Having this. I

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think that's

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that's wonderful.

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We're going to

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dive into that. I

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want to get to

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know you a little

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bit more. You

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know, we all all

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marine biologists

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01:04:13,666 --> 01:04:14,500
have a story of

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01:04:14,500 --> 01:04:15,541
how we got into

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01:04:15,541 --> 01:04:15,916
to marine biology.

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01:04:15,958 --> 01:04:17,375
I want to hear

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01:04:17,375 --> 01:04:18,000
your story. I

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01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:18,458
want the audience

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01:04:18,458 --> 01:04:18,791
to hear your

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01:04:18,791 --> 01:04:19,333
story because

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01:04:19,333 --> 01:04:20,041
I've read a

325
01:04:20,041 --> 01:04:20,708
little bit about

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01:04:20,708 --> 01:04:21,666
it. It's quite

327
01:04:21,666 --> 01:04:22,541
quite special.

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01:04:23,125 --> 01:04:23,583
Can you just talk

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01:04:23,583 --> 01:04:24,833
about how you got

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01:04:24,833 --> 01:04:25,541
interested? Like

331
01:04:25,541 --> 01:04:26,458
what was that

332
01:04:26,458 --> 01:04:27,541
factor that made

333
01:04:27,541 --> 01:04:28,125
you interested in

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01:04:28,125 --> 01:04:28,500
the ocean?

335
01:04:29,500 --> 01:04:30,250
Yeah. So I

336
01:04:30,250 --> 01:04:31,000
mentioned I'm in

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01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:31,375
Florida right

338
01:04:31,375 --> 01:04:32,083
now, but I was

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01:04:32,083 --> 01:04:32,541
born and raised

340
01:04:32,541 --> 01:04:33,458
in Florida. I

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01:04:33,458 --> 01:04:33,833
grew up in

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01:04:33,833 --> 01:04:34,375
Orlando, so

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01:04:34,375 --> 01:04:35,000
central Florida.

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01:04:35,625 --> 01:04:36,458
But every year my

345
01:04:36,458 --> 01:04:36,958
parents and I

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01:04:36,958 --> 01:04:37,333
would take a

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01:04:37,333 --> 01:04:38,000
family vacation

348
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:38,916
down to Key West

349
01:04:38,916 --> 01:04:39,833
and we'd always

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01:04:39,833 --> 01:04:40,583
go snorkeling.

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01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:42,208
And I fell in

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01:04:42,208 --> 01:04:42,916
love with every

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01:04:42,916 --> 01:04:43,958
all the fish and

354
01:04:43,958 --> 01:04:44,458
everything in the

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01:04:44,458 --> 01:04:44,916
reefs. And it was right when I was in Florida.

356
01:04:44,916 --> 01:04:45,833
And it was right

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01:04:45,833 --> 01:04:46,916
when underwater

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01:04:46,916 --> 01:04:47,375
disposable

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01:04:47,375 --> 01:04:48,125
cameras were

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01:04:48,125 --> 01:04:49,250
becoming popular.

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01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,125
And so I saved my

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01:04:52,125 --> 01:04:52,708
allowance when I

363
01:04:52,708 --> 01:04:53,041
had this little

364
01:04:53,041 --> 01:04:53,500
piggy bank all

365
01:04:53,500 --> 01:04:54,875
year. I find

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01:04:54,875 --> 01:04:55,458
change in the

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01:04:55,458 --> 01:04:56,458
couch for my my

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01:04:56,458 --> 01:04:57,125
dad's you know

369
01:04:57,125 --> 01:04:57,833
that you'd sit

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01:04:57,833 --> 01:04:58,416
down and his

371
01:04:58,416 --> 01:04:59,291
change would fall

372
01:04:59,291 --> 01:04:59,833
to the couch and

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01:04:59,833 --> 01:05:00,833
I get all those

374
01:05:00,833 --> 01:05:01,333
change. And then

375
01:05:01,333 --> 01:05:02,250
I would go and I

376
01:05:02,250 --> 01:05:02,666
would get my

377
01:05:02,666 --> 01:05:03,208
money for it. And

378
01:05:03,208 --> 01:05:03,625
that'd be my

379
01:05:03,625 --> 01:05:04,250
allowance money

380
01:05:04,250 --> 01:05:04,916
for this trip.

381
01:05:05,916 --> 01:05:07,416
And I bought a

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01:05:07,416 --> 01:05:07,750
fish

383
01:05:07,750 --> 01:05:08,291
identification

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01:05:08,291 --> 01:05:09,166
book to take down

385
01:05:09,166 --> 01:05:09,791
with me and I was

386
01:05:09,791 --> 01:05:10,833
so excited. And

387
01:05:10,833 --> 01:05:12,250
so I spent the

388
01:05:12,250 --> 01:05:13,125
entire eight hour

389
01:05:13,125 --> 01:05:14,000
drive reading

390
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:14,541
through this

391
01:05:14,541 --> 01:05:15,166
book, you know,

392
01:05:15,166 --> 01:05:15,666
not understanding

393
01:05:15,666 --> 01:05:16,291
some of it, but

394
01:05:16,291 --> 01:05:16,958
then I was very

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01:05:16,958 --> 01:05:17,750
young. So half

396
01:05:17,750 --> 01:05:18,541
the words I was

397
01:05:18,541 --> 01:05:19,708
were jargon to

398
01:05:19,708 --> 01:05:20,708
me, but I was

399
01:05:20,708 --> 01:05:21,083
looking at the

400
01:05:21,083 --> 01:05:21,625
pretty pictures

401
01:05:21,625 --> 01:05:22,041
and trying to

402
01:05:22,041 --> 01:05:22,625
learn as much as

403
01:05:22,625 --> 01:05:22,916
I could.

404
01:05:23,916 --> 01:05:24,958
And when we were

405
01:05:24,958 --> 01:05:25,666
down there, I

406
01:05:25,666 --> 01:05:26,083
started taking

407
01:05:26,083 --> 01:05:27,208
pictures of all

408
01:05:27,208 --> 01:05:28,375
these fish and

409
01:05:28,375 --> 01:05:28,875
playing the

410
01:05:28,875 --> 01:05:29,791
matching game in

411
01:05:29,791 --> 01:05:30,333
this fish ID

412
01:05:30,333 --> 01:05:32,083
book. And I just

413
01:05:32,083 --> 01:05:33,125
became so in love

414
01:05:33,125 --> 01:05:33,708
with just trying

415
01:05:33,708 --> 01:05:34,083
to figure out

416
01:05:34,083 --> 01:05:34,750
what they were.

417
01:05:34,750 --> 01:05:35,500
And I would read

418
01:05:35,500 --> 01:05:36,541
every bit of

419
01:05:36,541 --> 01:05:37,083
information I

420
01:05:37,083 --> 01:05:37,541
could understand

421
01:05:37,541 --> 01:05:38,375
about these fish.

422
01:05:38,375 --> 01:05:38,666
And then I would

423
01:05:38,666 --> 01:05:39,250
go and tell my

424
01:05:39,250 --> 01:05:39,916
parents about it.

425
01:05:39,916 --> 01:05:40,875
And then we would

426
01:05:40,875 --> 01:05:41,625
go out snorkeling

427
01:05:41,625 --> 01:05:42,125
and I would come

428
01:05:42,125 --> 01:05:42,833
up to the surface

429
01:05:42,833 --> 01:05:43,500
and I'd be like,

430
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:44,125
Hey, did you see

431
01:05:44,125 --> 01:05:44,583
that blue

432
01:05:44,583 --> 01:05:45,291
parrotfish? You

433
01:05:45,291 --> 01:05:45,958
know, blue

434
01:05:45,958 --> 01:05:46,625
parrotfish, you

435
01:05:46,625 --> 01:05:47,208
know, eats, you

436
01:05:47,208 --> 01:05:48,000
know, you know,

437
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:48,708
you can hear it.

438
01:05:48,708 --> 01:05:49,500
It has a beak and

439
01:05:49,500 --> 01:05:50,083
it's eating, you

440
01:05:50,083 --> 01:05:50,583
know, organisms

441
01:05:50,583 --> 01:05:51,291
off the coral.

442
01:05:51,291 --> 01:05:52,458
I would I would

443
01:05:52,458 --> 01:05:53,083
just go into

444
01:05:53,083 --> 01:05:54,541
these spules as a

445
01:05:54,541 --> 01:05:55,208
kid talking

446
01:05:55,208 --> 01:05:56,500
about, you know,

447
01:05:56,500 --> 01:05:57,000
all the different

448
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:57,583
fish I was

449
01:05:57,583 --> 01:05:58,208
seeing. And I

450
01:05:58,208 --> 01:05:59,708
subconsciously at

451
01:05:59,708 --> 01:06:00,541
that age kind of

452
01:06:00,541 --> 01:06:01,166
knew that was

453
01:06:01,166 --> 01:06:01,791
going to be my

454
01:06:01,791 --> 01:06:03,083
progression. I

455
01:06:03,083 --> 01:06:03,750
think my parents

456
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:04,583
really knew that

457
01:06:04,583 --> 01:06:05,791
that was what the

458
01:06:05,791 --> 01:06:06,375
rest of my life

459
01:06:06,375 --> 01:06:06,625
was going

460
01:06:06,625 --> 01:06:06,916
to look like.

461
01:06:06,958 --> 01:06:09,416
And I kind of

462
01:06:09,416 --> 01:06:11,000
like point it

463
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:11,875
probably started

464
01:06:11,875 --> 01:06:12,916
at like four or

465
01:06:12,916 --> 01:06:14,000
five and went up

466
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:14,916
to like, I mean,

467
01:06:14,916 --> 01:06:17,500
I mean, yeah, it

468
01:06:17,500 --> 01:06:19,083
was we went every

469
01:06:19,083 --> 01:06:19,750
year and every

470
01:06:19,750 --> 01:06:20,083
year I would

471
01:06:20,083 --> 01:06:20,541
learn something

472
01:06:20,541 --> 01:06:21,166
new and I would

473
01:06:21,166 --> 01:06:21,875
find new fish.

474
01:06:22,041 --> 01:06:22,541
And, you know,

475
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:23,625
there we went to

476
01:06:23,625 --> 01:06:24,291
the dry tour to

477
01:06:24,291 --> 01:06:24,791
guess and I'll

478
01:06:24,791 --> 01:06:25,416
never forget. I

479
01:06:25,416 --> 01:06:25,708
actually have a

480
01:06:25,708 --> 01:06:26,000
couple of

481
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:26,500
hogfish. So

482
01:06:26,500 --> 01:06:27,000
hogfish have

483
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:27,625
become one of my

484
01:06:27,625 --> 01:06:28,125
favorite fish

485
01:06:28,125 --> 01:06:28,500
because of this

486
01:06:28,500 --> 01:06:28,916
one moment.

487
01:06:28,958 --> 01:06:31,833
I dove down and

488
01:06:31,833 --> 01:06:32,375
it was sitting

489
01:06:32,375 --> 01:06:32,708
there and it

490
01:06:32,708 --> 01:06:33,291
opened and they

491
01:06:33,291 --> 01:06:34,208
had a very large

492
01:06:34,208 --> 01:06:34,875
mouth and it

493
01:06:34,875 --> 01:06:35,541
freaked me out

494
01:06:35,541 --> 01:06:36,166
for a second when

495
01:06:36,166 --> 01:06:36,916
I was a kid.

496
01:06:36,916 --> 01:06:37,500
So I swam to the

497
01:06:37,500 --> 01:06:38,000
surface and I was

498
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:38,875
panicking. My mom

499
01:06:38,875 --> 01:06:39,583
was panicking.

500
01:06:39,583 --> 01:06:39,791
She couldn't

501
01:06:39,791 --> 01:06:40,083
figure out what

502
01:06:40,083 --> 01:06:40,750
was going on. And

503
01:06:40,750 --> 01:06:41,333
I tried to tell

504
01:06:41,333 --> 01:06:41,875
her this fish

505
01:06:41,875 --> 01:06:42,750
yawned at me and

506
01:06:42,750 --> 01:06:43,583
had these giant

507
01:06:43,583 --> 01:06:44,250
teeth and they

508
01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:45,375
had two, you

509
01:06:45,375 --> 01:06:45,916
know, giant

510
01:06:45,916 --> 01:06:46,708
canines by the

511
01:06:46,708 --> 01:06:46,916
time I didn't know.

512
01:06:47,916 --> 01:06:49,166
And so we get

513
01:06:49,166 --> 01:06:49,958
back, you know,

514
01:06:50,208 --> 01:06:51,333
back to the hotel

515
01:06:51,333 --> 01:06:52,000
and I'm flipping

516
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:52,458
through the book

517
01:06:52,458 --> 01:06:52,958
trying to find

518
01:06:52,958 --> 01:06:53,666
this fish and

519
01:06:53,666 --> 01:06:54,166
she's like, no,

520
01:06:54,166 --> 01:06:54,583
no, it doesn't

521
01:06:54,583 --> 01:06:55,500
have any teeth.

522
01:06:55,500 --> 01:06:55,916
It's you know,

523
01:06:56,333 --> 01:06:56,916
but don't worry

524
01:06:56,916 --> 01:06:57,500
about it.

525
01:06:57,500 --> 01:06:57,916
And she was just

526
01:06:57,916 --> 01:06:58,541
trying to calm me

527
01:06:58,541 --> 01:06:59,125
down. She knew

528
01:06:59,125 --> 01:06:59,833
what it was, but

529
01:06:59,833 --> 01:07:00,458
she was trying to

530
01:07:00,458 --> 01:07:01,666
calm me down. She

531
01:07:01,666 --> 01:07:02,166
was like, don't

532
01:07:02,166 --> 01:07:03,500
worry. And then I

533
01:07:03,500 --> 01:07:04,083
find it and I

534
01:07:04,083 --> 01:07:04,583
said, you know,

535
01:07:04,583 --> 01:07:05,041
too large

536
01:07:05,041 --> 01:07:05,583
canines.

537
01:07:05,583 --> 01:07:06,458
I'm pointing to

538
01:07:06,458 --> 01:07:06,958
the book and I'm

539
01:07:06,958 --> 01:07:09,208
like, see, they

540
01:07:09,208 --> 01:07:10,958
have teeth. I'm

541
01:07:10,958 --> 01:07:12,250
not crazy. Yeah.

542
01:07:12,375 --> 01:07:14,583
Yeah. So I mean,

543
01:07:14,583 --> 01:07:15,916
I did that for so many years.

544
01:07:16,958 --> 01:07:17,833
And, you know,

545
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:18,541
not realizing

546
01:07:18,541 --> 01:07:19,458
that my life

547
01:07:19,458 --> 01:07:20,333
would end up

548
01:07:20,333 --> 01:07:21,416
being just that.

549
01:07:22,083 --> 01:07:24,500
And and another

550
01:07:24,500 --> 01:07:25,541
part was like I

551
01:07:25,541 --> 01:07:26,208
was really I

552
01:07:26,208 --> 01:07:27,041
always love, you

553
01:07:27,041 --> 01:07:28,458
know, the movies

554
01:07:28,458 --> 01:07:29,833
like the

555
01:07:29,833 --> 01:07:30,500
Living Seas.

556
01:07:30,500 --> 01:07:31,333
That was I was

557
01:07:31,333 --> 01:07:32,500
mesmerized by

558
01:07:32,500 --> 01:07:33,416
that. I was it

559
01:07:33,416 --> 01:07:33,958
talked about all

560
01:07:33,958 --> 01:07:34,375
these different

561
01:07:34,375 --> 01:07:35,458
aspects of the

562
01:07:35,458 --> 01:07:36,041
marine science

563
01:07:36,041 --> 01:07:36,958
world and it, you

564
01:07:36,958 --> 01:07:37,958
know, explore,

565
01:07:37,958 --> 01:07:39,041
you know, more

566
01:07:39,041 --> 01:07:39,916
uncharted areas.

567
01:07:39,958 --> 01:07:40,625
And I just

568
01:07:40,625 --> 01:07:41,166
remember I would

569
01:07:41,166 --> 01:07:42,541
watch that and I,

570
01:07:42,541 --> 01:07:42,875
you know, the

571
01:07:42,875 --> 01:07:43,958
sting soundtrack,

572
01:07:43,958 --> 01:07:44,625
you know, even to

573
01:07:44,625 --> 01:07:45,291
this day, I'll

574
01:07:45,291 --> 01:07:45,791
listen to that

575
01:07:45,791 --> 01:07:46,833
song fragile by

576
01:07:46,833 --> 01:07:47,291
sting. And I'm

577
01:07:47,291 --> 01:07:48,166
like transported

578
01:07:48,166 --> 01:07:49,166
back to being a

579
01:07:49,166 --> 01:07:49,791
kid sitting in

580
01:07:49,791 --> 01:07:50,416
front of the TV

581
01:07:50,416 --> 01:07:51,333
watching this.

582
01:07:51,958 --> 01:07:52,791
So I was

583
01:07:52,791 --> 01:07:53,458
influenced by so

584
01:07:53,458 --> 01:07:53,750
many different

585
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:54,500
things. And one

586
01:07:54,500 --> 01:07:55,416
of that's really

587
01:07:55,416 --> 01:07:56,250
deeply connected

588
01:07:56,250 --> 01:07:57,375
to me is my

589
01:07:57,375 --> 01:07:59,000
grandfather. I

590
01:07:59,000 --> 01:07:59,500
think I mentioned

591
01:07:59,500 --> 01:08:00,250
this briefly in

592
01:08:00,250 --> 01:08:01,291
our in my email

593
01:08:01,291 --> 01:08:01,916
to you. Yes.

594
01:08:01,916 --> 01:08:03,250
But my

595
01:08:03,250 --> 01:08:04,083
grandfather was a

596
01:08:04,083 --> 01:08:04,750
submariner with

597
01:08:04,750 --> 01:08:06,375
the US Navy. They

598
01:08:06,375 --> 01:08:07,000
were coming back

599
01:08:07,000 --> 01:08:07,750
from the

600
01:08:07,750 --> 01:08:08,750
Mediterranean and

601
01:08:08,750 --> 01:08:09,333
the Navy lost

602
01:08:09,333 --> 01:08:10,000
communication

603
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:10,583
with them.

604
01:08:10,583 --> 01:08:11,708
They're about a

605
01:08:11,708 --> 01:08:12,083
day out of

606
01:08:12,083 --> 01:08:12,583
Norfolk. They're

607
01:08:12,583 --> 01:08:14,125
about 100 miles, I think,

608
01:08:14,125 --> 01:08:15,291
southwest of

609
01:08:15,291 --> 01:08:15,791
the Azores.

610
01:08:16,875 --> 01:08:17,708
And it was on May

611
01:08:17,708 --> 01:08:19,250
22nd and they

612
01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:19,541
lost all

613
01:08:19,541 --> 01:08:20,000
communication.

614
01:08:20,416 --> 01:08:20,708
And it wasn't

615
01:08:20,708 --> 01:08:21,333
until about a

616
01:08:21,333 --> 01:08:22,000
week later that

617
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:22,583
they were

618
01:08:22,583 --> 01:08:23,291
officially

619
01:08:23,291 --> 01:08:24,166
announced lost at

620
01:08:24,166 --> 01:08:26,541
sea. My mother

621
01:08:26,541 --> 01:08:27,666
was two years

622
01:08:27,666 --> 01:08:28,541
old. My uncle was

623
01:08:28,541 --> 01:08:29,541
five. So my

624
01:08:29,541 --> 01:08:30,125
grandmother had

625
01:08:30,125 --> 01:08:30,916
two very young children.

626
01:08:30,958 --> 01:08:33,041
Yeah. And so it

627
01:08:33,041 --> 01:08:34,250
was very hard for

628
01:08:34,250 --> 01:08:34,708
her. And she

629
01:08:34,708 --> 01:08:35,500
never remarried.

630
01:08:35,750 --> 01:08:36,166
She always wore

631
01:08:36,166 --> 01:08:36,958
her wedding ring.

632
01:08:38,041 --> 01:08:38,500
But she always

633
01:08:38,500 --> 01:08:39,375
talked so fondly

634
01:08:39,375 --> 01:08:40,041
about him. And I

635
01:08:40,041 --> 01:08:40,958
know, like, we've

636
01:08:40,958 --> 01:08:41,375
always stayed

637
01:08:41,375 --> 01:08:42,333
connected through

638
01:08:42,333 --> 01:08:43,833
memorial groups

639
01:08:43,833 --> 01:08:44,291
through with the

640
01:08:44,291 --> 01:08:45,500
scorpion. That

641
01:08:45,500 --> 01:08:45,916
was the sub that he was on.

642
01:08:45,916 --> 01:08:49,416
And she'd always

643
01:08:49,416 --> 01:08:50,083
tell me stories

644
01:08:50,083 --> 01:08:51,625
growing up of how

645
01:08:51,625 --> 01:08:52,500
much he loved the

646
01:08:52,500 --> 01:08:53,458
sea and he loved

647
01:08:53,458 --> 01:08:54,375
history. And he

648
01:08:54,375 --> 01:08:55,500
was planning this

649
01:08:55,500 --> 01:08:56,666
sailing trip

650
01:08:56,666 --> 01:08:57,458
around the world.

651
01:08:57,458 --> 01:08:58,000
And he had these

652
01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:58,791
maps and he was

653
01:08:58,791 --> 01:08:59,916
chartering it. He

654
01:08:59,916 --> 01:09:00,708
had a sex that he

655
01:09:00,708 --> 01:09:01,333
was learning how

656
01:09:01,333 --> 01:09:02,625
to navigate using

657
01:09:02,625 --> 01:09:04,000
the stars. I

658
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:04,458
actually still

659
01:09:04,458 --> 01:09:05,125
have. I actually

660
01:09:05,125 --> 01:09:06,166
have his the sex

661
01:09:06,166 --> 01:09:07,083
that he used. He

662
01:09:07,083 --> 01:09:08,041
was trying to

663
01:09:08,041 --> 01:09:08,916
learn on.

664
01:09:09,916 --> 01:09:12,416
And she always

665
01:09:12,416 --> 01:09:13,125
told me that I

666
01:09:13,125 --> 01:09:13,916
had his spirit.

667
01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:15,041
She's always said

668
01:09:15,041 --> 01:09:15,583
that I feel like

669
01:09:15,583 --> 01:09:16,250
I'm talking to

670
01:09:16,250 --> 01:09:16,833
George again.

671
01:09:17,333 --> 01:09:18,083
She's like, when

672
01:09:18,083 --> 01:09:18,666
I talk to you and

673
01:09:18,666 --> 01:09:20,416
I see how you

674
01:09:20,416 --> 01:09:21,041
light up when you

675
01:09:21,041 --> 01:09:21,666
talk about the

676
01:09:21,666 --> 01:09:22,125
ocean and you're

677
01:09:22,125 --> 01:09:22,541
talking about

678
01:09:22,541 --> 01:09:23,041
these fish, she's

679
01:09:23,041 --> 01:09:23,916
like, I see him

680
01:09:23,916 --> 01:09:24,791
through you. And

681
01:09:24,791 --> 01:09:26,958
so that growing

682
01:09:26,958 --> 01:09:27,375
up and not

683
01:09:27,375 --> 01:09:27,916
knowing this

684
01:09:27,916 --> 01:09:28,333
person and

685
01:09:28,333 --> 01:09:29,375
knowing that I

686
01:09:29,375 --> 01:09:29,916
would have loved

687
01:09:29,916 --> 01:09:30,500
this person, we

688
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:30,833
would have been

689
01:09:30,833 --> 01:09:31,458
two peas in a

690
01:09:31,458 --> 01:09:32,250
pod, but just

691
01:09:32,250 --> 01:09:32,791
still feeling

692
01:09:32,791 --> 01:09:33,416
connected to

693
01:09:33,416 --> 01:09:33,833
someone I've

694
01:09:33,833 --> 01:09:34,500
never met.

695
01:09:35,333 --> 01:09:36,458
But because we

696
01:09:36,458 --> 01:09:37,500
shared so many

697
01:09:37,500 --> 01:09:38,333
similar interests

698
01:09:38,333 --> 01:09:39,250
and loves for the

699
01:09:39,250 --> 01:09:39,791
ocean and

700
01:09:39,791 --> 01:09:40,375
learning and

701
01:09:40,375 --> 01:09:41,375
history and just

702
01:09:41,375 --> 01:09:42,541
being surrounded

703
01:09:42,541 --> 01:09:43,625
by the ocean. So

704
01:09:43,625 --> 01:09:45,375
I think with all

705
01:09:45,375 --> 01:09:46,583
those factors of

706
01:09:46,583 --> 01:09:47,208
just growing up

707
01:09:47,208 --> 01:09:47,541
and being

708
01:09:47,541 --> 01:09:48,458
surrounded by the

709
01:09:48,458 --> 01:09:49,458
ocean and the sea

710
01:09:49,458 --> 01:09:51,041
and learning, my

711
01:09:51,041 --> 01:09:51,416
natural

712
01:09:51,416 --> 01:09:52,208
progression into

713
01:09:52,208 --> 01:09:52,750
marine science

714
01:09:52,750 --> 01:09:54,083
was just always

715
01:09:54,083 --> 01:09:54,541
going to be

716
01:09:54,541 --> 01:09:55,333
there. And I knew

717
01:09:55,333 --> 01:09:56,833
that that was my

718
01:09:56,833 --> 01:09:57,541
passion. You

719
01:09:57,541 --> 01:09:58,333
know, I always

720
01:09:58,333 --> 01:09:59,041
say, you know,

721
01:09:59,500 --> 01:10:00,000
you never work a

722
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:00,583
day in your life

723
01:10:00,583 --> 01:10:01,958
if you truly love

724
01:10:01,958 --> 01:10:02,958
what you do. And

725
01:10:02,958 --> 01:10:03,416
I truly

726
01:10:03,416 --> 01:10:03,916
love what I do.

727
01:10:03,916 --> 01:10:05,000
I do every day.

728
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:05,375
You know, there

729
01:10:05,375 --> 01:10:06,250
are days when

730
01:10:06,250 --> 01:10:06,833
I've been in the

731
01:10:06,833 --> 01:10:08,250
mud and I'm

732
01:10:08,250 --> 01:10:08,833
looking at myself

733
01:10:08,833 --> 01:10:09,916
going, what am I

734
01:10:09,916 --> 01:10:12,583
doing? Why am I

735
01:10:12,583 --> 01:10:13,541
here? But then

736
01:10:13,541 --> 01:10:14,000
there are days

737
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:14,666
I'm not at sea

738
01:10:14,666 --> 01:10:16,166
and I've been out

739
01:10:16,166 --> 01:10:17,500
for days on end

740
01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:17,958
and it's a

741
01:10:17,958 --> 01:10:19,125
beautiful sunset.

742
01:10:19,791 --> 01:10:20,833
And I'm just

743
01:10:20,833 --> 01:10:21,166
sitting there

744
01:10:21,166 --> 01:10:21,833
looking out and

745
01:10:21,833 --> 01:10:22,791
I'm 100 miles

746
01:10:22,791 --> 01:10:24,250
offshore and the

747
01:10:24,250 --> 01:10:25,125
stars come out at

748
01:10:25,125 --> 01:10:25,583
night. And I'm

749
01:10:25,583 --> 01:10:26,750
like, wow, this

750
01:10:26,750 --> 01:10:28,666
is my job. I am

751
01:10:28,666 --> 01:10:29,416
getting paid to

752
01:10:29,416 --> 01:10:30,000
do what people

753
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:30,916
pay to do.

754
01:10:30,916 --> 01:10:32,500
And I get to see

755
01:10:32,500 --> 01:10:33,000
things that

756
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:33,500
people don't

757
01:10:33,500 --> 01:10:34,166
normally get to

758
01:10:34,166 --> 01:10:35,208
see or interact

759
01:10:35,208 --> 01:10:36,041
with animals that

760
01:10:36,041 --> 01:10:36,875
you don't

761
01:10:36,875 --> 01:10:37,416
normally get to

762
01:10:37,416 --> 01:10:38,708
interact with. So

763
01:10:38,708 --> 01:10:40,333
that's just kind

764
01:10:40,333 --> 01:10:41,041
of how my life

765
01:10:41,041 --> 01:10:42,666
has led me up

766
01:10:42,666 --> 01:10:43,416
into this point.

767
01:10:43,791 --> 01:10:44,500
So I think I'm

768
01:10:44,500 --> 01:10:45,208
very fortunate in

769
01:10:45,208 --> 01:10:46,291
that. But that's

770
01:10:46,291 --> 01:10:47,500
kind of my story.

771
01:10:47,875 --> 01:10:48,708
And I feel like

772
01:10:48,708 --> 01:10:49,750
that's why

773
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:49,916
I'm here.

774
01:10:49,958 --> 01:10:51,208
Well, I love and

775
01:10:51,208 --> 01:10:51,875
I love it. I love

776
01:10:51,875 --> 01:10:52,625
you can obviously

777
01:10:52,625 --> 01:10:53,166
see the passion,

778
01:10:53,166 --> 01:10:54,833
you know, through

779
01:10:54,833 --> 01:10:55,875
just the story

780
01:10:55,875 --> 01:10:56,666
that you told it.

781
01:10:57,250 --> 01:10:57,625
It's it's

782
01:10:57,625 --> 01:10:58,416
amazing. It's

783
01:10:58,416 --> 01:10:59,500
shared by a lot

784
01:10:59,500 --> 01:10:59,875
of marine

785
01:10:59,875 --> 01:11:00,625
biologists like

786
01:11:00,625 --> 01:11:01,458
who get to the

787
01:11:01,458 --> 01:11:01,833
point where

788
01:11:01,833 --> 01:11:02,625
you're at, which

789
01:11:02,625 --> 01:11:03,291
is not easy.

790
01:11:03,666 --> 01:11:04,458
Let's be honest.

791
01:11:04,458 --> 01:11:05,166
It's not an easy

792
01:11:05,166 --> 01:11:06,250
road. You know,

793
01:11:06,250 --> 01:11:07,125
we talk about

794
01:11:07,125 --> 01:11:07,833
passion. We talk

795
01:11:07,833 --> 01:11:08,500
about how that

796
01:11:08,500 --> 01:11:09,000
takes you. And it

797
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:09,541
does take you

798
01:11:09,541 --> 01:11:10,166
far. It does take

799
01:11:10,166 --> 01:11:11,375
you through the

800
01:11:11,375 --> 01:11:12,125
hard times. It

801
01:11:12,125 --> 01:11:12,583
does take you

802
01:11:12,583 --> 01:11:12,916
through the

803
01:11:12,916 --> 01:11:13,666
nicest studying

804
01:11:13,666 --> 01:11:14,250
the staying up

805
01:11:14,250 --> 01:11:15,291
late. The long

806
01:11:15,291 --> 01:11:16,041
days at sea.

807
01:11:16,291 --> 01:11:16,750
Those are never

808
01:11:16,750 --> 01:11:17,958
easy. You know,

809
01:11:17,958 --> 01:11:18,916
sometimes the sea works with you.

810
01:11:18,916 --> 01:11:20,958
And sometimes it

811
01:11:20,958 --> 01:11:21,875
works against you

812
01:11:21,875 --> 01:11:22,958
and it can be

813
01:11:22,958 --> 01:11:23,791
dangerous and you

814
01:11:23,791 --> 01:11:24,166
know, you have to

815
01:11:24,166 --> 01:11:24,791
be careful. And

816
01:11:24,791 --> 01:11:25,708
so there's a lot

817
01:11:25,708 --> 01:11:27,083
of things that go

818
01:11:27,083 --> 01:11:27,625
with the job,

819
01:11:27,625 --> 01:11:28,291
like any job

820
01:11:28,291 --> 01:11:28,875
where there's

821
01:11:28,875 --> 01:11:29,458
some good days

822
01:11:29,458 --> 01:11:30,250
and some bad days

823
01:11:30,250 --> 01:11:31,625
and so forth. But

824
01:11:31,625 --> 01:11:32,916
to get to where

825
01:11:32,916 --> 01:11:34,125
you are, like I

826
01:11:34,125 --> 01:11:34,750
mentioned before,

827
01:11:34,750 --> 01:11:35,708
is not easy. You

828
01:11:35,708 --> 01:11:36,000
know, the

829
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:37,208
schooling is can

830
01:11:37,208 --> 01:11:37,833
be difficult.

831
01:11:37,833 --> 01:11:38,625
Just getting in

832
01:11:38,625 --> 01:11:39,916
to university in college can be difficult.

833
01:11:40,916 --> 01:11:43,333
Going through

834
01:11:43,333 --> 01:11:44,583
college, you

835
01:11:44,583 --> 01:11:45,250
know, in a marine

836
01:11:45,250 --> 01:11:46,208
biology program

837
01:11:46,208 --> 01:11:47,208
is difficult,

838
01:11:47,458 --> 01:11:47,708
right? Getting

839
01:11:47,708 --> 01:11:48,541
that job

840
01:11:48,541 --> 01:11:49,958
afterwards is not

841
01:11:49,958 --> 01:11:50,833
easy. You know,

842
01:11:50,833 --> 01:11:51,791
you have to be

843
01:11:51,791 --> 01:11:52,791
vigilant. You

844
01:11:52,791 --> 01:11:53,333
have to be

845
01:11:53,333 --> 01:11:54,125
connected. You

846
01:11:54,125 --> 01:11:54,583
know, you have to

847
01:11:54,583 --> 01:11:55,750
have a network. I

848
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:56,416
talk about this

849
01:11:56,416 --> 01:11:58,541
all the time. Was

850
01:11:58,541 --> 01:11:59,541
there any knowing

851
01:11:59,541 --> 01:12:00,250
since you were

852
01:12:00,250 --> 01:12:00,916
like four or five that you had this passion in you?

853
01:12:01,916 --> 01:12:04,500
I had it when I

854
01:12:04,500 --> 01:12:05,666
was 14. You know,

855
01:12:05,666 --> 01:12:06,000
that's when I

856
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:06,625
realized like I

857
01:12:06,625 --> 01:12:07,416
want to be marine

858
01:12:07,416 --> 01:12:08,583
biologist. Were

859
01:12:08,583 --> 01:12:10,000
there any points

860
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:11,125
in that time

861
01:12:11,125 --> 01:12:12,250
where you

862
01:12:12,250 --> 01:12:13,500
wavered, you

863
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:14,208
know, once you

864
01:12:14,208 --> 01:12:14,750
discovered that,

865
01:12:14,750 --> 01:12:15,375
hey, well, I

866
01:12:15,375 --> 01:12:15,666
guess the first

867
01:12:15,666 --> 01:12:16,208
thing when did

868
01:12:16,208 --> 01:12:16,750
you discover that

869
01:12:16,750 --> 01:12:17,416
you could do this

870
01:12:17,416 --> 01:12:18,208
for a living and

871
01:12:18,208 --> 01:12:18,916
get paid to do

872
01:12:18,916 --> 01:12:20,000
this? And then

873
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:20,500
were there any

874
01:12:20,500 --> 01:12:21,583
those at any

875
01:12:21,583 --> 01:12:22,083
point in time

876
01:12:22,083 --> 01:12:23,000
during schooling,

877
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:23,416
whether it be

878
01:12:23,416 --> 01:12:24,000
high school,

879
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:24,500
whether it be

880
01:12:24,500 --> 01:12:25,750
university that

881
01:12:25,750 --> 01:12:26,958
you struggled at

882
01:12:26,958 --> 01:12:27,500
and you were

883
01:12:27,500 --> 01:12:27,916
like, maybe this isn't for me.

884
01:12:28,041 --> 01:12:32,000
I would say there

885
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:33,000
was never a time

886
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:33,958
that I was like,

887
01:12:33,958 --> 01:12:34,708
this is not for

888
01:12:34,708 --> 01:12:35,291
me, but there

889
01:12:35,291 --> 01:12:36,083
were times where

890
01:12:36,083 --> 01:12:37,333
I thought, can I

891
01:12:37,333 --> 01:12:38,166
really do this?

892
01:12:38,375 --> 01:12:38,791
You know, and I

893
01:12:38,791 --> 01:12:39,875
found out early

894
01:12:39,875 --> 01:12:40,583
on is my parents,

895
01:12:40,875 --> 01:12:41,333
you know, they

896
01:12:41,333 --> 01:12:41,875
were my, you

897
01:12:41,875 --> 01:12:42,333
know, my dad was

898
01:12:42,333 --> 01:12:42,958
in the Navy. So

899
01:12:42,958 --> 01:12:44,666
my parents grew

900
01:12:44,666 --> 01:12:45,166
up around the

901
01:12:45,166 --> 01:12:46,333
ocean. So they I

902
01:12:46,333 --> 01:12:47,833
knew that jobs in

903
01:12:47,833 --> 01:12:48,708
the marine world

904
01:12:48,708 --> 01:12:50,041
were there. I

905
01:12:50,041 --> 01:12:50,625
didn't know how

906
01:12:50,625 --> 01:12:51,125
many I didn't

907
01:12:51,125 --> 01:12:53,125
learn about how

908
01:12:53,125 --> 01:12:54,458
vast the industry

909
01:12:54,458 --> 01:12:55,083
really is. You

910
01:12:55,083 --> 01:12:55,458
know, you always

911
01:12:55,458 --> 01:12:56,000
think about a

912
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:56,541
dolphin trainer

913
01:12:56,541 --> 01:12:56,916
or, you know, being a dolphin trainer.

914
01:12:57,125 --> 01:12:57,833
Or, you know,

915
01:12:57,833 --> 01:12:58,541
being working in

916
01:12:58,541 --> 01:12:59,083
aquarium, which

917
01:12:59,083 --> 01:12:59,791
are amazing

918
01:12:59,791 --> 01:13:01,291
positions, but

919
01:13:01,291 --> 01:13:02,166
those the only

920
01:13:02,166 --> 01:13:03,000
two that when you

921
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:03,708
grow up that you

922
01:13:03,708 --> 01:13:04,708
think of and they

923
01:13:04,708 --> 01:13:05,250
don't they don't

924
01:13:05,250 --> 01:13:06,375
tell you all the

925
01:13:06,375 --> 01:13:07,125
small, you know,

926
01:13:07,125 --> 01:13:07,541
that you could be

927
01:13:07,541 --> 01:13:08,375
working with just

928
01:13:08,375 --> 01:13:09,041
plankton, you'd

929
01:13:09,041 --> 01:13:09,583
be working with

930
01:13:09,583 --> 01:13:10,916
mollus. You could

931
01:13:10,916 --> 01:13:11,500
go into the

932
01:13:11,500 --> 01:13:12,083
private sector,

933
01:13:12,083 --> 01:13:12,666
you could be an

934
01:13:12,666 --> 01:13:13,416
academia. There's

935
01:13:13,416 --> 01:13:14,125
so many things

936
01:13:14,125 --> 01:13:14,583
that you just

937
01:13:14,583 --> 01:13:15,583
aren't aware of

938
01:13:15,583 --> 01:13:16,250
unless you are

939
01:13:16,250 --> 01:13:17,166
exposed to that.

940
01:13:17,166 --> 01:13:17,583
And that usually

941
01:13:17,583 --> 01:13:18,125
happens in

942
01:13:18,125 --> 01:13:20,291
university. So I

943
01:13:20,291 --> 01:13:21,000
didn't know about

944
01:13:21,000 --> 01:13:22,208
options in the

945
01:13:22,208 --> 01:13:22,666
marine science

946
01:13:22,666 --> 01:13:23,541
world until high

947
01:13:23,541 --> 01:13:24,250
school and into

948
01:13:24,250 --> 01:13:24,583
university.

949
01:13:24,958 --> 01:13:26,916
But I will say

950
01:13:26,916 --> 01:13:28,166
that I have had

951
01:13:28,166 --> 01:13:29,875
many people, not

952
01:13:29,875 --> 01:13:30,083
necessarily

953
01:13:30,083 --> 01:13:30,666
family, just

954
01:13:30,666 --> 01:13:31,416
people that were

955
01:13:31,416 --> 01:13:32,750
outside or I

956
01:13:32,750 --> 01:13:33,500
would talk to

957
01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:34,000
them about like

958
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:34,958
my jobs or even

959
01:13:34,958 --> 01:13:35,875
people in college

960
01:13:35,875 --> 01:13:37,250
and in some in

961
01:13:37,250 --> 01:13:37,833
high school and I

962
01:13:37,833 --> 01:13:38,166
would be like,

963
01:13:38,166 --> 01:13:38,708
Yeah, I really

964
01:13:38,708 --> 01:13:39,125
want to be a

965
01:13:39,125 --> 01:13:39,666
marine biologist

966
01:13:39,666 --> 01:13:40,875
and they go, so

967
01:13:40,875 --> 01:13:41,250
does everyone

968
01:13:41,250 --> 01:13:42,291
else find

969
01:13:42,291 --> 01:13:42,916
something else.

970
01:13:42,958 --> 01:13:44,583
You know, it's

971
01:13:44,583 --> 01:13:45,750
every nineties

972
01:13:45,750 --> 01:13:46,916
child, you know,

973
01:13:47,125 --> 01:13:47,708
dream with your

974
01:13:47,708 --> 01:13:48,458
Lisa Frank

975
01:13:48,458 --> 01:13:50,166
dolphin folders,

976
01:13:50,166 --> 01:13:51,000
you know,

977
01:13:51,958 --> 01:13:53,166
everyone wants to

978
01:13:53,166 --> 01:13:53,458
be a marine

979
01:13:53,458 --> 01:13:54,375
biologist. And

980
01:13:54,375 --> 01:13:55,583
and so I think a

981
01:13:55,583 --> 01:13:56,125
lot of people

982
01:13:56,125 --> 01:13:57,000
didn't realize

983
01:13:57,000 --> 01:13:57,750
that, you know,

984
01:13:57,750 --> 01:13:58,083
didn't really

985
01:13:58,083 --> 01:13:59,250
know my backstory

986
01:13:59,250 --> 01:14:00,500
and just how I

987
01:14:00,500 --> 01:14:00,916
grew up.

988
01:14:00,958 --> 01:14:02,041
You know, that

989
01:14:02,041 --> 01:14:02,625
was what everyone

990
01:14:02,625 --> 01:14:03,500
wanted to do as a

991
01:14:03,500 --> 01:14:04,791
kid, and

992
01:14:04,791 --> 01:14:05,583
especially in

993
01:14:05,583 --> 01:14:08,000
Florida. So, so I

994
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:08,708
think hearing

995
01:14:08,708 --> 01:14:11,291
that early on

996
01:14:11,291 --> 01:14:12,208
wasn't too bad,

997
01:14:12,208 --> 01:14:12,666
but it was really

998
01:14:12,666 --> 01:14:13,250
when I got into

999
01:14:13,250 --> 01:14:14,041
university when I

1000
01:14:14,041 --> 01:14:14,708
had some people

1001
01:14:14,708 --> 01:14:16,750
that I, you know,

1002
01:14:17,000 --> 01:14:17,375
were, were in

1003
01:14:17,375 --> 01:14:18,000
the, you know,

1004
01:14:18,291 --> 01:14:18,625
professors and

1005
01:14:18,625 --> 01:14:18,916
they would be

1006
01:14:18,916 --> 01:14:19,791
like, kind of

1007
01:14:19,791 --> 01:14:20,208
warning you

1008
01:14:20,208 --> 01:14:20,708
against it

1009
01:14:20,708 --> 01:14:21,666
because it

1010
01:14:21,666 --> 01:14:22,916
doesn't pay all that well.

1011
01:14:22,916 --> 01:14:24,416
I mean, the main

1012
01:14:24,416 --> 01:14:25,250
thing is marine,

1013
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:26,208
marine science is

1014
01:14:26,208 --> 01:14:26,500
usually

1015
01:14:26,500 --> 01:14:27,500
underfunded.

1016
01:14:27,500 --> 01:14:28,083
You're always

1017
01:14:28,083 --> 01:14:29,416
applying for

1018
01:14:29,416 --> 01:14:29,875
grants. You're

1019
01:14:29,875 --> 01:14:30,375
always trying to

1020
01:14:30,375 --> 01:14:31,583
find funding. And

1021
01:14:31,583 --> 01:14:32,916
so finding stable

1022
01:14:32,916 --> 01:14:33,708
funds and stable

1023
01:14:33,708 --> 01:14:34,291
grants,

1024
01:14:34,291 --> 01:14:34,916
especially in

1025
01:14:34,916 --> 01:14:35,916
academia is very difficult.

1026
01:14:35,958 --> 01:14:39,291
So they always

1027
01:14:39,291 --> 01:14:40,208
worry about that,

1028
01:14:40,208 --> 01:14:40,791
like, Hey, you

1029
01:14:40,791 --> 01:14:41,458
might not have

1030
01:14:41,458 --> 01:14:42,000
an, you know, if

1031
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:42,375
you go into

1032
01:14:42,375 --> 01:14:43,208
finance, if you

1033
01:14:43,208 --> 01:14:44,083
go into business,

1034
01:14:44,083 --> 01:14:45,208
you go into, you

1035
01:14:45,208 --> 01:14:45,708
know, marketing

1036
01:14:45,708 --> 01:14:46,125
accounting,

1037
01:14:46,500 --> 01:14:46,916
you're going to

1038
01:14:46,916 --> 01:14:48,375
have a salary,

1039
01:14:48,375 --> 01:14:48,500
you're going to

1040
01:14:48,500 --> 01:14:48,875
have a set

1041
01:14:48,875 --> 01:14:49,541
paycheck, you

1042
01:14:49,541 --> 01:14:50,416
know, you know,

1043
01:14:50,583 --> 01:14:51,333
no matter what,

1044
01:14:51,708 --> 01:14:52,166
nothing is

1045
01:14:52,166 --> 01:14:52,458
necessarily

1046
01:14:52,458 --> 01:14:53,500
changing per se.

1047
01:14:53,958 --> 01:14:54,458
But in marine

1048
01:14:54,458 --> 01:14:55,083
science,

1049
01:14:55,666 --> 01:14:56,458
depending on what

1050
01:14:56,458 --> 01:14:57,750
sector you're in,

1051
01:14:58,125 --> 01:14:58,708
you know, you're

1052
01:14:58,708 --> 01:15:00,166
kind of reliant

1053
01:15:00,166 --> 01:15:00,958
on your grants,

1054
01:15:01,166 --> 01:15:01,958
you're reliant on

1055
01:15:01,958 --> 01:15:02,416
the funding

1056
01:15:02,416 --> 01:15:03,458
coming in. And so

1057
01:15:03,458 --> 01:15:04,583
there is that

1058
01:15:04,583 --> 01:15:05,208
level of

1059
01:15:05,208 --> 01:15:06,458
uncertainty is,

1060
01:15:06,458 --> 01:15:08,083
you know, am I

1061
01:15:08,083 --> 01:15:08,375
going to have

1062
01:15:08,375 --> 01:15:09,000
money in a year?

1063
01:15:09,333 --> 01:15:09,833
You know, is this

1064
01:15:09,833 --> 01:15:10,458
project going to

1065
01:15:10,458 --> 01:15:11,250
be funded in the

1066
01:15:11,250 --> 01:15:11,666
next few years?

1067
01:15:11,666 --> 01:15:12,083
Like, yeah, right

1068
01:15:12,083 --> 01:15:12,750
now, it's great.

1069
01:15:13,000 --> 01:15:13,916
But when I have,

1070
01:15:13,916 --> 01:15:14,416
when it's up and

1071
01:15:14,416 --> 01:15:14,708
I need to

1072
01:15:14,708 --> 01:15:15,750
reapply, is it

1073
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:16,750
going to be as

1074
01:15:16,750 --> 01:15:17,041
readily

1075
01:15:17,041 --> 01:15:17,958
available? So

1076
01:15:17,958 --> 01:15:18,750
those are the

1077
01:15:18,750 --> 01:15:19,208
things I think

1078
01:15:19,208 --> 01:15:19,625
people will

1079
01:15:19,625 --> 01:15:20,375
warning me about

1080
01:15:20,375 --> 01:15:21,000
that you don't,

1081
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:21,916
again, truly know

1082
01:15:21,916 --> 01:15:22,458
until you're

1083
01:15:22,458 --> 01:15:22,916
really in it.

1084
01:15:22,916 --> 01:15:24,333
But there was a

1085
01:15:24,333 --> 01:15:25,166
few times where I

1086
01:15:25,166 --> 01:15:26,083
was, I would say,

1087
01:15:26,083 --> 01:15:26,791
like, discourage

1088
01:15:26,791 --> 01:15:27,500
where I was like,

1089
01:15:27,875 --> 01:15:28,833
I'm a little

1090
01:15:28,833 --> 01:15:31,333
nervous. But

1091
01:15:31,333 --> 01:15:32,000
there's a few

1092
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:32,625
times that people

1093
01:15:32,625 --> 01:15:33,083
will be like,

1094
01:15:33,083 --> 01:15:33,416
especially with

1095
01:15:33,416 --> 01:15:34,041
shark biology,

1096
01:15:34,041 --> 01:15:34,708
everyone wants to

1097
01:15:34,708 --> 01:15:35,166
work for sharks.

1098
01:15:35,625 --> 01:15:36,583
They are the

1099
01:15:36,583 --> 01:15:37,208
charismatic

1100
01:15:37,208 --> 01:15:38,166
megafauna, you

1101
01:15:38,166 --> 01:15:38,541
know, especially

1102
01:15:38,541 --> 01:15:39,333
with all the TV

1103
01:15:39,333 --> 01:15:41,291
shows, they, they

1104
01:15:41,291 --> 01:15:42,083
get all you know,

1105
01:15:42,083 --> 01:15:44,000
they're the

1106
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:45,125
shiny, the, you

1107
01:15:45,125 --> 01:15:45,333
know, the

1108
01:15:45,333 --> 01:15:45,666
impressive

1109
01:15:45,666 --> 01:15:46,166
things, which

1110
01:15:46,166 --> 01:15:47,416
they are, but

1111
01:15:47,416 --> 01:15:48,041
everyone wants to

1112
01:15:48,041 --> 01:15:49,416
do it. And so as

1113
01:15:49,416 --> 01:15:50,000
you move through

1114
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:50,833
the field, you

1115
01:15:50,833 --> 01:15:51,291
get people that

1116
01:15:51,291 --> 01:15:51,916
are like, find backup plans.

1117
01:15:51,958 --> 01:15:53,541
You know, and,

1118
01:15:53,541 --> 01:15:54,458
and, you know,

1119
01:15:54,458 --> 01:15:55,166
everyone that I,

1120
01:15:55,166 --> 01:15:55,708
you know, on your

1121
01:15:55,708 --> 01:15:56,375
other podcast,

1122
01:15:56,375 --> 01:15:56,791
like the Beyond

1123
01:15:56,791 --> 01:15:57,500
Jaws one, you

1124
01:15:57,500 --> 01:15:58,625
know, everyone's

1125
01:15:58,625 --> 01:15:59,916
always like, my

1126
01:15:59,916 --> 01:16:00,708
path to sharks

1127
01:16:00,708 --> 01:16:01,583
was never a

1128
01:16:01,583 --> 01:16:02,250
direct line. And

1129
01:16:02,250 --> 01:16:02,875
there may be a

1130
01:16:02,875 --> 01:16:03,416
handful. There's

1131
01:16:03,416 --> 01:16:04,250
always the few

1132
01:16:04,250 --> 01:16:05,000
that just were

1133
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:06,416
able to, to do

1134
01:16:06,416 --> 01:16:07,291
it. But it's

1135
01:16:07,291 --> 01:16:07,958
usually some

1136
01:16:07,958 --> 01:16:10,208
windy road. And

1137
01:16:10,208 --> 01:16:10,958
so I think a lot

1138
01:16:10,958 --> 01:16:11,500
of people were

1139
01:16:11,500 --> 01:16:12,083
trying to tell me

1140
01:16:12,083 --> 01:16:12,666
that and, you

1141
01:16:12,666 --> 01:16:13,125
know, when you're

1142
01:16:13,125 --> 01:16:13,833
early on in your

1143
01:16:13,833 --> 01:16:14,416
career, you

1144
01:16:14,416 --> 01:16:15,208
think, well, if I

1145
01:16:15,208 --> 01:16:15,625
want to work for

1146
01:16:15,625 --> 01:16:15,916
sharks,

1147
01:16:16,333 --> 01:16:17,000
everything has to

1148
01:16:17,000 --> 01:16:18,416
be sharks. Or I

1149
01:16:18,416 --> 01:16:18,666
want to work

1150
01:16:18,666 --> 01:16:19,250
with, you know,

1151
01:16:19,250 --> 01:16:19,625
this certain type

1152
01:16:19,625 --> 01:16:20,125
of fish,

1153
01:16:20,125 --> 01:16:20,916
everything has to be this. Otherwise,

1154
01:16:20,916 --> 01:16:23,125
I'm not going to

1155
01:16:23,125 --> 01:16:24,000
be an expert in

1156
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:24,875
this. But the

1157
01:16:24,875 --> 01:16:25,708
reality of it is,

1158
01:16:25,708 --> 01:16:26,500
is you're more

1159
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:27,208
well rounded when

1160
01:16:27,208 --> 01:16:28,000
you can kind of

1161
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:29,000
move in between

1162
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,666
animals or, you

1163
01:16:31,666 --> 01:16:32,000
know, just

1164
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:32,333
different

1165
01:16:32,333 --> 01:16:33,208
projects that

1166
01:16:33,208 --> 01:16:33,833
might not be

1167
01:16:33,833 --> 01:16:35,125
like, I said, I'm

1168
01:16:35,125 --> 01:16:35,875
my most of my

1169
01:16:35,875 --> 01:16:36,458
work is in

1170
01:16:36,458 --> 01:16:37,250
fisheries. It's

1171
01:16:37,250 --> 01:16:37,666
not necessarily

1172
01:16:37,666 --> 01:16:37,958
like, quote

1173
01:16:37,958 --> 01:16:38,583
unquote, shark

1174
01:16:38,583 --> 01:16:41,833
biology. But I've

1175
01:16:41,833 --> 01:16:42,833
kind of been able

1176
01:16:42,833 --> 01:16:43,458
to maneuver my

1177
01:16:43,458 --> 01:16:44,833
way and I've gone

1178
01:16:44,833 --> 01:16:45,750
back to sharks.

1179
01:16:46,625 --> 01:16:47,916
So I think the

1180
01:16:47,916 --> 01:16:48,416
moment there was

1181
01:16:48,416 --> 01:16:49,375
a few times early

1182
01:16:49,375 --> 01:16:49,916
on where I was discouraged, where I was thinking, well, I'm going to do this.

1183
01:16:49,916 --> 01:16:50,166
I was

1184
01:16:50,166 --> 01:16:50,541
discouraged,

1185
01:16:50,541 --> 01:16:50,833
where I was

1186
01:16:50,833 --> 01:16:51,291
thinking that,

1187
01:16:51,500 --> 01:16:52,000
oh, you know,

1188
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:52,500
maybe I'll never

1189
01:16:52,500 --> 01:16:53,125
get a chance to

1190
01:16:53,125 --> 01:16:54,500
work with sharks.

1191
01:16:54,500 --> 01:16:55,000
I'll never get a

1192
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:55,875
chance to be in

1193
01:16:55,875 --> 01:16:56,333
this field

1194
01:16:56,333 --> 01:16:57,583
because, you

1195
01:16:57,583 --> 01:16:58,041
know, everything

1196
01:16:58,041 --> 01:16:58,583
seems so

1197
01:16:58,583 --> 01:16:59,666
uncertain. But I

1198
01:16:59,666 --> 01:17:00,458
just kind of use

1199
01:17:00,458 --> 01:17:01,208
those things as

1200
01:17:01,208 --> 01:17:01,958
tournament of

1201
01:17:01,958 --> 01:17:02,541
motivators when

1202
01:17:02,541 --> 01:17:03,041
people were like,

1203
01:17:03,041 --> 01:17:03,625
I don't think you

1204
01:17:03,625 --> 01:17:04,250
can do it. And I

1205
01:17:04,250 --> 01:17:04,708
was like, you

1206
01:17:04,708 --> 01:17:05,458
know what? I can

1207
01:17:05,458 --> 01:17:06,208
do it. And I'm

1208
01:17:06,208 --> 01:17:06,916
going to do it.

1209
01:17:07,916 --> 01:17:09,291
I like that. And

1210
01:17:09,291 --> 01:17:10,166
in some way, you

1211
01:17:10,166 --> 01:17:10,708
kind of have to

1212
01:17:10,708 --> 01:17:11,291
prove people

1213
01:17:11,291 --> 01:17:12,458
wrong because

1214
01:17:12,458 --> 01:17:12,958
like, look,

1215
01:17:13,083 --> 01:17:13,583
anytime you

1216
01:17:13,583 --> 01:17:14,416
mention anything

1217
01:17:14,416 --> 01:17:15,916
about marine

1218
01:17:15,916 --> 01:17:16,833
biology or really

1219
01:17:16,833 --> 01:17:17,500
any kind of job

1220
01:17:17,500 --> 01:17:18,166
as a young

1221
01:17:18,166 --> 01:17:19,291
person, right?

1222
01:17:19,916 --> 01:17:20,125
People, there's

1223
01:17:20,125 --> 01:17:20,500
always going to

1224
01:17:20,500 --> 01:17:20,916
be doubters.

1225
01:17:20,958 --> 01:17:21,708
So like, is this

1226
01:17:21,708 --> 01:17:22,333
what you really

1227
01:17:22,333 --> 01:17:23,333
want to do? Like,

1228
01:17:23,333 --> 01:17:23,875
yeah, it seems

1229
01:17:23,875 --> 01:17:24,750
fun to be out on

1230
01:17:24,750 --> 01:17:25,333
the ocean and

1231
01:17:25,333 --> 01:17:26,458
diving and, you

1232
01:17:26,458 --> 01:17:27,500
know, sampling

1233
01:17:27,500 --> 01:17:28,166
and all that kind

1234
01:17:28,166 --> 01:17:28,708
of stuff being

1235
01:17:28,708 --> 01:17:29,375
out in the sun.

1236
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:30,541
But is it really

1237
01:17:30,541 --> 01:17:31,083
like, is it

1238
01:17:31,083 --> 01:17:32,000
stable enough?

1239
01:17:32,333 --> 01:17:32,750
Can you have a

1240
01:17:32,750 --> 01:17:34,125
good career like

1241
01:17:34,125 --> 01:17:34,833
you would as a

1242
01:17:34,833 --> 01:17:35,583
lawyer, as a

1243
01:17:35,583 --> 01:17:36,541
doctor, as a

1244
01:17:36,541 --> 01:17:37,291
marketer, a

1245
01:17:37,291 --> 01:17:37,875
business person

1246
01:17:37,875 --> 01:17:38,916
and all that

1247
01:17:38,916 --> 01:17:39,500
stuff? And you

1248
01:17:39,500 --> 01:17:40,500
always get that

1249
01:17:40,500 --> 01:17:42,708
negative talk,

1250
01:17:42,708 --> 01:17:43,458
right? And I

1251
01:17:43,458 --> 01:17:43,791
always tell

1252
01:17:43,791 --> 01:17:45,500
people, I had a

1253
01:17:45,500 --> 01:17:47,125
friend of mine, I

1254
01:17:47,125 --> 01:17:47,833
presented in

1255
01:17:47,833 --> 01:17:48,041
front of

1256
01:17:48,041 --> 01:17:48,750
his class.

1257
01:17:48,916 --> 01:17:50,375
And one of the

1258
01:17:50,375 --> 01:17:51,208
classmates was

1259
01:17:51,208 --> 01:17:51,875
just like, yeah,

1260
01:17:51,875 --> 01:17:52,333
like, how do you

1261
01:17:52,333 --> 01:17:52,833
like, how do you

1262
01:17:52,833 --> 01:17:53,500
deal with that?

1263
01:17:53,500 --> 01:17:53,750
And I'm just

1264
01:17:53,750 --> 01:17:54,875
like, if you want

1265
01:17:54,875 --> 01:17:55,875
it, go for it.

1266
01:17:55,875 --> 01:17:56,666
Like, try it.

1267
01:17:57,041 --> 01:17:58,333
You're young. Try

1268
01:17:58,333 --> 01:17:59,083
it. Like, if it

1269
01:17:59,083 --> 01:17:59,833
doesn't work out,

1270
01:18:00,250 --> 01:18:00,958
pivot. You can

1271
01:18:00,958 --> 01:18:01,833
always go back to

1272
01:18:01,833 --> 01:18:02,458
school or you can

1273
01:18:02,458 --> 01:18:02,875
always do

1274
01:18:02,875 --> 01:18:04,125
something and and

1275
01:18:04,125 --> 01:18:05,000
work with

1276
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:05,375
something like

1277
01:18:05,375 --> 01:18:05,750
you have.

1278
01:18:05,750 --> 01:18:06,125
You'll have a

1279
01:18:06,125 --> 01:18:07,250
degree. You'll

1280
01:18:07,250 --> 01:18:07,833
have a university

1281
01:18:07,833 --> 01:18:08,666
degree and you'll

1282
01:18:08,666 --> 01:18:09,375
be able to pivot.

1283
01:18:09,375 --> 01:18:09,916
I've done it a

1284
01:18:09,916 --> 01:18:10,541
couple of times.

1285
01:18:10,958 --> 01:18:11,333
I'm doing it

1286
01:18:11,333 --> 01:18:11,958
right now and

1287
01:18:11,958 --> 01:18:12,625
you'll be able to

1288
01:18:12,625 --> 01:18:13,291
figure it out.

1289
01:18:13,291 --> 01:18:14,208
But you got to

1290
01:18:14,208 --> 01:18:15,000
try it or else

1291
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:15,375
you're just going

1292
01:18:15,375 --> 01:18:16,083
to regret it for

1293
01:18:16,083 --> 01:18:16,625
the rest of your

1294
01:18:16,625 --> 01:18:16,916
life. Right.

1295
01:18:16,958 --> 01:18:19,041
And it's just you

1296
01:18:19,041 --> 01:18:19,791
have to almost

1297
01:18:19,791 --> 01:18:20,541
tell them it like

1298
01:18:20,541 --> 01:18:21,041
throw it back in

1299
01:18:21,041 --> 01:18:21,500
their face like,

1300
01:18:21,500 --> 01:18:21,875
you know what,

1301
01:18:21,875 --> 01:18:22,750
I'm doing it. And

1302
01:18:22,750 --> 01:18:23,458
this is and I'm

1303
01:18:23,458 --> 01:18:24,375
having a blast.

1304
01:18:24,750 --> 01:18:25,166
You know, you're

1305
01:18:25,166 --> 01:18:25,916
clearly having a

1306
01:18:25,916 --> 01:18:27,000
blast doing this

1307
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:27,750
type of work. And

1308
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:28,208
you can just be

1309
01:18:28,208 --> 01:18:28,666
like, look, I'm

1310
01:18:28,666 --> 01:18:29,208
out. I'm out in

1311
01:18:29,208 --> 01:18:30,166
the sun getting

1312
01:18:30,166 --> 01:18:31,291
paid to do this.

1313
01:18:31,500 --> 01:18:31,875
You know, this is

1314
01:18:31,875 --> 01:18:32,708
a lot of fun. I'm

1315
01:18:32,708 --> 01:18:33,375
learning a lot.

1316
01:18:33,708 --> 01:18:34,375
And I feel as

1317
01:18:34,375 --> 01:18:34,916
though there is.

1318
01:18:34,958 --> 01:18:35,916
And you can answer this too. For me, there's a lot more to marine biology than just having a stable income. Obviously that matters. But if you look at any job, nothing stable these days, you can get laid off. Whether you're in these days, whether you're in the private sector or government,
which used to be stable and it doesn't matter where you're from in whatever country, this can happen. So you never know what's going to be secure. You might as well do something you love or else you're not going to love. Life is going to be boring. And so I feel like you're going to be

1319
01:19:04,958 --> 01:19:05,666
like, do you feel

1320
01:19:05,666 --> 01:19:07,916
in a way like you

1321
01:19:07,916 --> 01:19:08,375
got to

1322
01:19:08,375 --> 01:19:09,083
just try it?

1323
01:19:10,125 --> 01:19:11,291
Oh, 100%. I mean,

1324
01:19:11,291 --> 01:19:12,125
that was kind of

1325
01:19:12,125 --> 01:19:12,916
what my my

1326
01:19:12,916 --> 01:19:13,500
thought process

1327
01:19:13,500 --> 01:19:15,500
was, was why not?

1328
01:19:15,750 --> 01:19:16,666
If I don't try

1329
01:19:16,666 --> 01:19:17,666
it, I'll never

1330
01:19:17,666 --> 01:19:18,458
know if I get it.

1331
01:19:18,458 --> 01:19:19,333
But if I try and

1332
01:19:19,333 --> 01:19:20,166
I get it, then it

1333
01:19:20,166 --> 01:19:21,000
was all worth it.

1334
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:21,666
And if not, I'd

1335
01:19:21,666 --> 01:19:22,208
learn something

1336
01:19:22,208 --> 01:19:23,083
along the way. It

1337
01:19:23,083 --> 01:19:23,500
was a fun

1338
01:19:23,500 --> 01:19:24,875
journey. And I

1339
01:19:24,875 --> 01:19:25,708
can say I tried.

1340
01:19:25,708 --> 01:19:26,000
And there's no

1341
01:19:26,000 --> 01:19:27,000
regret later on

1342
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:27,458
and being like,

1343
01:19:27,458 --> 01:19:29,375
well, you know, I

1344
01:19:29,375 --> 01:19:30,166
probably should

1345
01:19:30,166 --> 01:19:30,833
have tried it,

1346
01:19:30,833 --> 01:19:31,125
you know, who

1347
01:19:31,125 --> 01:19:32,000
knows? I would

1348
01:19:32,000 --> 01:19:32,875
rather just give

1349
01:19:32,875 --> 01:19:33,541
it a shot, give

1350
01:19:33,541 --> 01:19:34,625
it the best I can

1351
01:19:34,625 --> 01:19:35,125
and just see

1352
01:19:35,125 --> 01:19:35,583
where it goes.

1353
01:19:35,916 --> 01:19:38,041
Yeah, I love

1354
01:19:38,041 --> 01:19:38,708
that. I love that

1355
01:19:38,708 --> 01:19:39,958
aspect. You know,

1356
01:19:40,666 --> 01:19:41,625
working in

1357
01:19:41,625 --> 01:19:42,750
fisheries and

1358
01:19:42,750 --> 01:19:43,333
working in marine

1359
01:19:43,333 --> 01:19:44,500
biology is always

1360
01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:47,083
fun. And in

1361
01:19:47,083 --> 01:19:47,833
science, just in

1362
01:19:47,833 --> 01:19:48,708
general, it's fun

1363
01:19:48,708 --> 01:19:49,416
because like I've

1364
01:19:49,416 --> 01:19:49,875
talked to a lot

1365
01:19:49,875 --> 01:19:50,250
of people,

1366
01:19:50,250 --> 01:19:50,708
whether it be on

1367
01:19:50,708 --> 01:19:51,708
this podcast or

1368
01:19:51,708 --> 01:19:52,416
the Beyond Jaws

1369
01:19:52,416 --> 01:19:54,041
podcast, where

1370
01:19:54,041 --> 01:19:54,791
I'm not like,

1371
01:19:54,791 --> 01:19:55,166
there's some

1372
01:19:55,166 --> 01:19:56,375
people who have

1373
01:19:56,375 --> 01:19:57,958
gone through

1374
01:19:57,958 --> 01:19:59,166
their career.

1375
01:19:59,416 --> 01:19:59,625
They've gone

1376
01:19:59,625 --> 01:20:00,125
through like, you

1377
01:20:00,125 --> 01:20:00,708
know, some of the

1378
01:20:00,708 --> 01:20:01,375
people we've had,

1379
01:20:01,375 --> 01:20:02,000
like they've been

1380
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,375
in 35 years plus

1381
01:20:03,375 --> 01:20:04,583
of fisheries or

1382
01:20:04,583 --> 01:20:04,875
marine biology or sharks.

1383
01:20:04,875 --> 01:20:06,791
Or whatever that

1384
01:20:06,791 --> 01:20:08,083
might be. But

1385
01:20:08,083 --> 01:20:08,500
some of the

1386
01:20:08,500 --> 01:20:09,208
pivots that

1387
01:20:09,208 --> 01:20:09,708
they've taken

1388
01:20:09,708 --> 01:20:10,708
within the field

1389
01:20:10,708 --> 01:20:12,083
have really come

1390
01:20:12,083 --> 01:20:12,625
from like a

1391
01:20:12,625 --> 01:20:13,791
question, like a

1392
01:20:13,791 --> 01:20:14,333
scientific

1393
01:20:14,333 --> 01:20:15,541
question, like

1394
01:20:15,541 --> 01:20:16,208
they want to know

1395
01:20:16,208 --> 01:20:16,666
more about

1396
01:20:16,666 --> 01:20:17,375
predator prey

1397
01:20:17,375 --> 01:20:18,208
dynamics. They

1398
01:20:18,208 --> 01:20:19,000
want to know more

1399
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:19,500
about like

1400
01:20:19,500 --> 01:20:20,458
conservation or

1401
01:20:20,458 --> 01:20:21,666
exploring how

1402
01:20:21,666 --> 01:20:22,416
many how many

1403
01:20:22,416 --> 01:20:23,458
species can they

1404
01:20:23,458 --> 01:20:24,333
identify and

1405
01:20:24,333 --> 01:20:25,208
discover, right?

1406
01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:26,125
As my co host

1407
01:20:26,125 --> 01:20:27,708
does Dr. David

1408
01:20:27,708 --> 01:20:30,375
Ebert. Do you

1409
01:20:30,375 --> 01:20:31,083
have one of

1410
01:20:31,083 --> 01:20:31,958
those? Like, is

1411
01:20:31,958 --> 01:20:32,375
there something

1412
01:20:32,375 --> 01:20:33,416
that I know

1413
01:20:33,416 --> 01:20:33,875
you're doing a master. So that's probably the most important thing.

1414
01:20:33,875 --> 01:20:34,458
I'm a master. So

1415
01:20:34,458 --> 01:20:34,916
that's probably

1416
01:20:34,916 --> 01:20:35,500
your focus right

1417
01:20:35,500 --> 01:20:36,416
now. But overall,

1418
01:20:36,666 --> 01:20:37,291
is there are

1419
01:20:37,291 --> 01:20:38,000
there specific

1420
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:38,916
questions that

1421
01:20:38,916 --> 01:20:39,583
you're curious

1422
01:20:39,583 --> 01:20:41,000
about that will

1423
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:41,708
that will drive

1424
01:20:41,708 --> 01:20:42,041
you whether

1425
01:20:42,041 --> 01:20:42,958
you're working on

1426
01:20:42,958 --> 01:20:44,541
sharks or fish or

1427
01:20:44,541 --> 01:20:45,541
mammals or

1428
01:20:45,541 --> 01:20:45,958
whatever?

1429
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:47,500
I wouldn't say

1430
01:20:47,500 --> 01:20:48,458
like a specific

1431
01:20:48,458 --> 01:20:49,291
question to a

1432
01:20:49,291 --> 01:20:49,750
project. I mean,

1433
01:20:49,750 --> 01:20:50,375
I have tons of

1434
01:20:50,375 --> 01:20:52,416
those. But in a

1435
01:20:52,416 --> 01:20:53,541
general sense, I

1436
01:20:53,541 --> 01:20:54,625
think it's and I

1437
01:20:54,625 --> 01:20:55,000
think it comes

1438
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:55,416
with everyone

1439
01:20:55,416 --> 01:20:56,375
else. And if

1440
01:20:56,375 --> 01:20:56,916
people you've

1441
01:20:56,916 --> 01:20:57,500
interviewed, it

1442
01:20:57,500 --> 01:20:58,458
starts with like

1443
01:20:58,458 --> 01:20:59,416
a passion. Like,

1444
01:20:59,416 --> 01:21:00,666
we obviously love

1445
01:21:00,666 --> 01:21:01,541
this. And there's

1446
01:21:01,541 --> 01:21:01,916
something that

1447
01:21:01,916 --> 01:21:02,875
draws us to it. So we have a connection with it.

1448
01:21:02,875 --> 01:21:05,791
And then it's the

1449
01:21:05,791 --> 01:21:07,000
curiosity part,

1450
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:07,541
you know, we,

1451
01:21:07,958 --> 01:21:09,208
when we see how

1452
01:21:09,208 --> 01:21:10,041
many questions

1453
01:21:10,041 --> 01:21:10,750
you can ask. And

1454
01:21:10,750 --> 01:21:11,333
it's that thing

1455
01:21:11,333 --> 01:21:11,958
where it's like,

1456
01:21:11,958 --> 01:21:12,541
the more you

1457
01:21:12,541 --> 01:21:13,083
know, the more

1458
01:21:13,083 --> 01:21:13,708
you realize you

1459
01:21:13,708 --> 01:21:14,958
don't know. And I

1460
01:21:14,958 --> 01:21:15,583
think that's the

1461
01:21:15,583 --> 01:21:16,166
exciting part

1462
01:21:16,166 --> 01:21:16,916
about science and

1463
01:21:16,916 --> 01:21:17,666
a part of us that

1464
01:21:17,666 --> 01:21:18,500
gets excited when

1465
01:21:18,500 --> 01:21:19,583
we're like, you

1466
01:21:19,583 --> 01:21:20,375
know, we learn

1467
01:21:20,375 --> 01:21:20,791
more and then

1468
01:21:20,791 --> 01:21:21,291
we're like, Oh,

1469
01:21:21,291 --> 01:21:21,791
well, what about

1470
01:21:21,791 --> 01:21:22,541
this? Well, what

1471
01:21:22,541 --> 01:21:23,416
about that? How

1472
01:21:23,416 --> 01:21:24,000
can this happen?

1473
01:21:24,208 --> 01:21:25,125
So the questions

1474
01:21:25,125 --> 01:21:26,500
start pouring in.

1475
01:21:26,500 --> 01:21:27,208
And I think that

1476
01:21:27,208 --> 01:21:28,000
is the excitement

1477
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:28,500
part. And it

1478
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:29,833
draws us into

1479
01:21:29,833 --> 01:21:30,375
more and more

1480
01:21:30,375 --> 01:21:30,875
projects. And it makes us want to do more and more projects.

1481
01:21:30,875 --> 01:21:31,708
And it makes us

1482
01:21:31,708 --> 01:21:32,750
want to do more

1483
01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:33,375
and more work.

1484
01:21:33,375 --> 01:21:33,708
Because we want

1485
01:21:33,708 --> 01:21:34,000
to just

1486
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:34,625
understand our

1487
01:21:34,625 --> 01:21:35,916
world, you know,

1488
01:21:36,166 --> 01:21:37,541
as, as things are

1489
01:21:37,541 --> 01:21:37,833
kind of

1490
01:21:37,833 --> 01:21:38,250
constantly

1491
01:21:38,250 --> 01:21:39,291
changing with the

1492
01:21:39,291 --> 01:21:40,375
environment. And,

1493
01:21:40,375 --> 01:21:41,250
you know, we want

1494
01:21:41,250 --> 01:21:41,916
to understand

1495
01:21:41,916 --> 01:21:42,458
these changes.

1496
01:21:42,458 --> 01:21:42,916
And if we start

1497
01:21:42,916 --> 01:21:43,666
now, we've done a

1498
01:21:43,666 --> 01:21:44,541
really good job,

1499
01:21:44,541 --> 01:21:45,125
you know, the

1500
01:21:45,125 --> 01:21:46,041
past few decades,

1501
01:21:46,041 --> 01:21:47,416
you know, in the

1502
01:21:47,416 --> 01:21:48,250
future, you know,

1503
01:21:48,375 --> 01:21:48,666
hopefully, we'll

1504
01:21:48,666 --> 01:21:49,125
have these

1505
01:21:49,125 --> 01:21:49,750
long-term

1506
01:21:49,750 --> 01:21:51,041
datasets that,

1507
01:21:51,041 --> 01:21:51,708
you know, we can

1508
01:21:51,708 --> 01:21:52,458
watch these

1509
01:21:52,458 --> 01:21:53,041
changes through

1510
01:21:53,041 --> 01:21:53,583
time and

1511
01:21:53,583 --> 01:21:54,416
understand these

1512
01:21:54,416 --> 01:21:54,833
environmental

1513
01:21:54,833 --> 01:21:55,458
changes. You

1514
01:21:55,458 --> 01:21:55,750
know, we talk

1515
01:21:55,750 --> 01:21:56,166
about climate

1516
01:21:56,166 --> 01:21:56,708
change all the

1517
01:21:56,708 --> 01:21:57,708
time. You know,

1518
01:21:57,708 --> 01:21:58,625
it's so hard to

1519
01:21:58,625 --> 01:21:59,083
look at climate

1520
01:21:59,083 --> 01:21:59,916
change on such a

1521
01:21:59,916 --> 01:22:00,250
small

1522
01:22:00,250 --> 01:22:00,875
scale, you know.

1523
01:22:00,875 --> 01:22:01,166
needs such

1524
01:22:01,166 --> 01:22:02,208
a long term.

1525
01:22:02,500 --> 01:22:03,458
So we get, I

1526
01:22:03,458 --> 01:22:03,875
think as a

1527
01:22:03,875 --> 01:22:04,083
scientist,

1528
01:22:04,083 --> 01:22:04,458
we get excited

1529
01:22:04,458 --> 01:22:04,958
because if we

1530
01:22:04,958 --> 01:22:06,000
start things now

1531
01:22:06,000 --> 01:22:07,083
for the future

1532
01:22:07,083 --> 01:22:07,708
generations,

1533
01:22:08,666 --> 01:22:09,500
we can have these

1534
01:22:09,500 --> 01:22:10,083
data sets, we can

1535
01:22:10,083 --> 01:22:10,500
watch

1536
01:22:10,500 --> 01:22:11,083
them change.

1537
01:22:11,375 --> 01:22:12,250
So those big

1538
01:22:12,250 --> 01:22:13,000
picture questions

1539
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:13,625
that we are

1540
01:22:13,625 --> 01:22:14,166
currently trying

1541
01:22:14,166 --> 01:22:14,708
to ask

1542
01:22:14,708 --> 01:22:15,291
and answer,

1543
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:16,750
we might not be

1544
01:22:16,750 --> 01:22:17,250
able to answer in

1545
01:22:17,250 --> 01:22:17,666
our lifetime,

1546
01:22:17,958 --> 01:22:18,500
but we're setting

1547
01:22:18,500 --> 01:22:19,291
it up for

1548
01:22:19,291 --> 01:22:19,750
the future

1549
01:22:19,750 --> 01:22:20,291
to be able to

1550
01:22:20,291 --> 01:22:20,708
answer those

1551
01:22:20,708 --> 01:22:21,041
questions.

1552
01:22:21,250 --> 01:22:21,750
So I think that's

1553
01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:22,583
also, it's like,

1554
01:22:22,750 --> 01:22:23,375
we're trying to

1555
01:22:23,375 --> 01:22:24,125
make our world a

1556
01:22:24,125 --> 01:22:24,708
better place.

1557
01:22:25,083 --> 01:22:25,708
It starts at a

1558
01:22:25,708 --> 01:22:26,500
curiosity of just

1559
01:22:26,500 --> 01:22:27,250
learning more,

1560
01:22:27,250 --> 01:22:27,625
but then it's

1561
01:22:27,625 --> 01:22:28,416
also that drive

1562
01:22:28,416 --> 01:22:29,875
to wanting to

1563
01:22:29,875 --> 01:22:30,333
conserve

1564
01:22:30,500 --> 01:22:31,291
and protect what

1565
01:22:31,291 --> 01:22:32,666
we have now and

1566
01:22:32,666 --> 01:22:33,250
then make the

1567
01:22:33,250 --> 01:22:34,000
world better for

1568
01:22:34,000 --> 01:22:34,291
the future

1569
01:22:34,291 --> 01:22:34,750
generations.

1570
01:22:34,750 --> 01:22:36,125
I love that.

1571
01:22:36,125 --> 01:22:36,791
That's awesome. I

1572
01:22:36,791 --> 01:22:37,458
love that motto.

1573
01:22:37,666 --> 01:22:38,541
Like just figure

1574
01:22:38,541 --> 01:22:39,041
out how to make

1575
01:22:39,041 --> 01:22:39,833
the world better.

1576
01:22:39,833 --> 01:22:40,458
Like no matter

1577
01:22:40,458 --> 01:22:41,000
what, like just

1578
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:41,625
figure it out.

1579
01:22:41,625 --> 01:22:42,000
And you have

1580
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:42,500
these certain

1581
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:43,041
questions.

1582
01:22:43,458 --> 01:22:43,958
I mean, I know as

1583
01:22:43,958 --> 01:22:44,166
a marine

1584
01:22:44,166 --> 01:22:44,541
biologist, we

1585
01:22:44,541 --> 01:22:45,000
always have

1586
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:45,333
questions.

1587
01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:00,458
She wants to go

1588
01:23:00,458 --> 01:23:01,041
into wildlife

1589
01:23:01,041 --> 01:23:01,791
biology. I'm

1590
01:23:01,791 --> 01:23:02,583
like, she's not

1591
01:23:02,583 --> 01:23:03,125
marine biology.

1592
01:23:03,125 --> 01:23:03,458
I'm like,

1593
01:23:03,458 --> 01:23:03,875
nobody's perfect.

1594
01:23:04,083 --> 01:23:04,291
That's

1595
01:23:04,291 --> 01:23:05,041
fine. I get it.

1596
01:23:05,208 --> 01:23:06,458
You can go on

1597
01:23:06,458 --> 01:23:07,083
land animals, but

1598
01:23:07,083 --> 01:23:07,625
now I'm starting

1599
01:23:07,625 --> 01:23:08,125
to like think

1600
01:23:08,125 --> 01:23:08,541
about it.

1601
01:23:08,541 --> 01:23:09,208
I'm starting to,

1602
01:23:09,208 --> 01:23:10,416
we're starting to

1603
01:23:10,416 --> 01:23:10,916
ask each other

1604
01:23:10,916 --> 01:23:11,416
questions.

1605
01:23:11,416 --> 01:23:11,750
Like, I wonder

1606
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:12,291
what would happen

1607
01:23:12,291 --> 01:23:12,625
to this.

1608
01:23:12,625 --> 01:23:12,958
How would we

1609
01:23:12,958 --> 01:23:13,833
design the study

1610
01:23:13,833 --> 01:23:14,500
to figure it out?

1611
01:23:14,666 --> 01:23:15,291
So introducing

1612
01:23:15,291 --> 01:23:16,000
like statistics

1613
01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:16,583
and all that kind

1614
01:23:16,583 --> 01:23:16,875
of stuff.

1615
01:23:16,875 --> 01:23:17,250
So it's a lot of

1616
01:23:17,250 --> 01:23:17,958
fun to even just

1617
01:23:17,958 --> 01:23:19,083
think about those

1618
01:23:19,083 --> 01:23:19,750
questions and

1619
01:23:19,750 --> 01:23:20,125
talking

1620
01:23:20,125 --> 01:23:20,750
about school,

1621
01:23:21,000 --> 01:23:21,583
like you're

1622
01:23:21,583 --> 01:23:22,166
working

1623
01:23:22,166 --> 01:23:23,208
full time.

1624
01:23:23,208 --> 01:23:23,541
You had your

1625
01:23:23,541 --> 01:23:23,875
undergraduate

1626
01:23:23,875 --> 01:23:24,625
degree, you get

1627
01:23:24,625 --> 01:23:25,208
this job.

1628
01:23:25,208 --> 01:23:25,791
It's wonderful.

1629
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:27,916
What made you

1630
01:23:27,916 --> 01:23:29,208
decide to have

1631
01:23:29,208 --> 01:23:30,375
this crazy idea

1632
01:23:30,375 --> 01:23:30,708
of going

1633
01:23:30,708 --> 01:23:31,666
back to school?

1634
01:23:32,375 --> 01:23:33,541
What was the

1635
01:23:33,541 --> 01:23:35,416
trigger for that?

1636
01:23:35,416 --> 01:23:35,875
Like what made

1637
01:23:35,875 --> 01:23:36,875
you ignite that?

1638
01:23:36,875 --> 01:23:37,375
Oh, I want to go

1639
01:23:37,375 --> 01:23:38,125
back. And did you

1640
01:23:38,125 --> 01:23:38,708
always want to go

1641
01:23:38,708 --> 01:23:39,000
back for

1642
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:40,250
graduate school?

1643
01:23:40,916 --> 01:23:41,708
I'd always wanted

1644
01:23:41,708 --> 01:23:43,416
to go back. I

1645
01:23:43,416 --> 01:23:44,000
definitely took

1646
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:44,125
an

1647
01:23:44,125 --> 01:23:45,166
untraditional route.

1648
01:23:45,875 --> 01:23:47,083
So I graduated in

1649
01:23:47,083 --> 01:23:48,291
2016 with my

1650
01:23:48,291 --> 01:23:49,291
undergraduate and

1651
01:23:49,291 --> 01:23:50,166
then I got my job

1652
01:23:50,166 --> 01:23:50,750
and I was

1653
01:23:50,750 --> 01:23:51,291
working there.

1654
01:23:51,291 --> 01:23:51,666
And I know I

1655
01:23:51,666 --> 01:23:52,208
wanted to go

1656
01:23:52,208 --> 01:23:52,791
back, but I

1657
01:23:52,791 --> 01:23:53,500
really wanted to

1658
01:23:53,500 --> 01:23:54,750
get some real

1659
01:23:54,750 --> 01:23:55,916
world like

1660
01:23:55,916 --> 01:23:56,458
experience

1661
01:23:56,708 --> 01:23:58,416
in the field. And

1662
01:23:58,416 --> 01:23:59,291
I was trying to

1663
01:23:59,291 --> 01:24:00,250
also set myself

1664
01:24:00,250 --> 01:24:01,333
apart from some

1665
01:24:01,333 --> 01:24:01,625
of the other

1666
01:24:01,625 --> 01:24:02,083
applicants.

1667
01:24:02,791 --> 01:24:03,208
I was like, no

1668
01:24:03,208 --> 01:24:03,916
going into marine

1669
01:24:03,916 --> 01:24:04,208
science,

1670
01:24:04,208 --> 01:24:04,541
especially when

1671
01:24:04,541 --> 01:24:05,000
you're going into

1672
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:05,500
grad school,

1673
01:24:05,708 --> 01:24:06,208
you have to be

1674
01:24:06,208 --> 01:24:07,208
competitive. You

1675
01:24:07,208 --> 01:24:07,500
know, there's a

1676
01:24:07,500 --> 01:24:08,291
lot of people and

1677
01:24:08,291 --> 01:24:08,750
there's a lot of

1678
01:24:08,750 --> 01:24:09,208
amazing,

1679
01:24:09,416 --> 01:24:10,791
smart people. So

1680
01:24:10,791 --> 01:24:11,750
I was trying to

1681
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:12,583
find a way to set

1682
01:24:12,583 --> 01:24:14,000
myself apart. So

1683
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:14,875
my thought

1684
01:24:14,875 --> 01:24:15,583
process was,

1685
01:24:15,583 --> 01:24:16,083
I'm going to take

1686
01:24:16,083 --> 01:24:16,791
some time off.

1687
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:17,458
I'm going to kind

1688
01:24:17,458 --> 01:24:18,208
of reframe

1689
01:24:18,208 --> 01:24:19,083
myself, kind of

1690
01:24:19,083 --> 01:24:20,166
get back into the

1691
01:24:20,166 --> 01:24:20,833
mindset. I'm

1692
01:24:20,833 --> 01:24:21,333
going to work as

1693
01:24:21,333 --> 01:24:22,000
hard as I can,

1694
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:22,583
learn as much as

1695
01:24:22,583 --> 01:24:22,958
I can through

1696
01:24:22,958 --> 01:24:24,000
this job. And

1697
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:24,125
then I can

1698
01:24:24,125 --> 01:24:24,958
go back to grad

1699
01:24:24,958 --> 01:24:25,500
school and I can

1700
01:24:25,500 --> 01:24:26,375
apply what I

1701
01:24:26,375 --> 01:24:27,666
learned in my job

1702
01:24:27,666 --> 01:24:28,375
to the grad

1703
01:24:28,375 --> 01:24:28,791
school. And you

1704
01:24:28,791 --> 01:24:29,333
know, maybe it'll

1705
01:24:29,333 --> 01:24:29,958
help me because

1706
01:24:29,958 --> 01:24:30,750
I'm these

1707
01:24:30,750 --> 01:24:31,625
concepts are not

1708
01:24:31,625 --> 01:24:32,083
just in the

1709
01:24:32,083 --> 01:24:32,583
textbook.

1710
01:24:32,583 --> 01:24:33,375
I've, I've

1711
01:24:33,375 --> 01:24:34,208
seen the concepts

1712
01:24:34,208 --> 01:24:34,958
in real life.

1713
01:24:34,958 --> 01:24:35,625
I've seen them

1714
01:24:35,625 --> 01:24:36,875
applied. So I

1715
01:24:36,875 --> 01:24:37,458
thought that that

1716
01:24:37,458 --> 01:24:38,291
maybe would also

1717
01:24:38,291 --> 01:24:39,208
just just help me

1718
01:24:39,208 --> 01:24:41,500
in general. So I

1719
01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:42,208
went back to grad

1720
01:24:42,208 --> 01:24:43,041
school in 2021.

1721
01:24:43,041 --> 01:24:44,208
And it was kind

1722
01:24:44,208 --> 01:24:44,541
of during

1723
01:24:44,541 --> 01:24:45,291
COVID when I kind

1724
01:24:45,291 --> 01:24:45,916
of made this

1725
01:24:45,916 --> 01:24:46,583
decision, like

1726
01:24:46,583 --> 01:24:47,375
this is the time

1727
01:24:47,375 --> 01:24:48,750
because what else

1728
01:24:48,750 --> 01:24:48,916
was I

1729
01:24:48,916 --> 01:24:49,250
going to do?

1730
01:24:49,250 --> 01:24:49,958
I needed to study

1731
01:24:49,958 --> 01:24:51,083
for the GRE and

1732
01:24:51,083 --> 01:24:51,791
everything was

1733
01:24:51,791 --> 01:24:52,833
closed. So I

1734
01:24:52,833 --> 01:24:53,750
might as well buy

1735
01:24:53,750 --> 01:24:54,583
the textbook and

1736
01:24:54,625 --> 01:24:55,416
start studying.

1737
01:24:56,708 --> 01:24:57,458
And so that was

1738
01:24:57,458 --> 01:24:57,958
kind of that

1739
01:24:57,958 --> 01:24:58,416
moment where I

1740
01:24:58,416 --> 01:24:58,750
was like, all

1741
01:24:58,750 --> 01:24:59,333
right, this is

1742
01:24:59,333 --> 01:24:59,791
the time,

1743
01:25:00,166 --> 01:25:00,791
like the world,

1744
01:25:00,791 --> 01:25:01,583
even though this

1745
01:25:01,583 --> 01:25:02,458
is terrible, it's

1746
01:25:02,458 --> 01:25:02,875
kind of setting

1747
01:25:02,875 --> 01:25:03,708
me up to kind of

1748
01:25:03,708 --> 01:25:04,208
give me the right

1749
01:25:04,208 --> 01:25:06,000
time to, to give

1750
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,458
myself to study,

1751
01:25:07,458 --> 01:25:07,875
get into a

1752
01:25:07,875 --> 01:25:08,458
university and

1753
01:25:08,458 --> 01:25:08,916
kind of figure

1754
01:25:08,916 --> 01:25:09,666
out, you know,

1755
01:25:09,666 --> 01:25:10,166
the next steps

1756
01:25:10,166 --> 01:25:11,541
from there. I

1757
01:25:11,541 --> 01:25:11,833
think that's

1758
01:25:11,833 --> 01:25:12,291
great. I mean,

1759
01:25:12,291 --> 01:25:12,791
it's a great, it

1760
01:25:12,791 --> 01:25:13,458
was a great time

1761
01:25:13,458 --> 01:25:13,916
to do it

1762
01:25:13,916 --> 01:25:14,541
because we did,

1763
01:25:14,541 --> 01:25:15,250
everybody had

1764
01:25:15,250 --> 01:25:15,833
extra time,

1765
01:25:15,833 --> 01:25:16,583
right? We're

1766
01:25:16,583 --> 01:25:17,041
either stuck at

1767
01:25:17,041 --> 01:25:17,833
home or, you

1768
01:25:17,833 --> 01:25:18,375
know, things

1769
01:25:18,375 --> 01:25:19,125
are a little bit

1770
01:25:19,125 --> 01:25:19,750
more limited to

1771
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:20,416
where you can go

1772
01:25:20,416 --> 01:25:21,083
and whether you

1773
01:25:21,083 --> 01:25:21,458
want to be

1774
01:25:21,458 --> 01:25:22,041
limited or not,

1775
01:25:22,500 --> 01:25:22,750
you know,

1776
01:25:22,750 --> 01:25:23,166
everybody had

1777
01:25:23,166 --> 01:25:23,875
that decision to

1778
01:25:23,875 --> 01:25:25,125
make. And I think

1779
01:25:25,125 --> 01:25:25,750
that's, I think

1780
01:25:25,750 --> 01:25:26,500
it's a great

1781
01:25:26,500 --> 01:25:26,916
opportunity

1782
01:25:26,958 --> 01:25:27,625
when I always

1783
01:25:27,625 --> 01:25:28,375
said like, when

1784
01:25:28,375 --> 01:25:29,083
recessions hit

1785
01:25:29,083 --> 01:25:29,708
and stuff like

1786
01:25:29,708 --> 01:25:30,500
that, and you

1787
01:25:30,500 --> 01:25:31,041
have the chance,

1788
01:25:31,041 --> 01:25:31,833
like try and do

1789
01:25:31,833 --> 01:25:32,541
something extra,

1790
01:25:32,541 --> 01:25:33,166
go back to

1791
01:25:33,166 --> 01:25:33,958
school, get it

1792
01:25:33,958 --> 01:25:35,625
like a diploma or

1793
01:25:35,625 --> 01:25:36,166
get like a

1794
01:25:36,166 --> 01:25:37,125
degree or even

1795
01:25:37,125 --> 01:25:37,875
get, you know,

1796
01:25:37,875 --> 01:25:38,583
just go back and

1797
01:25:38,583 --> 01:25:39,083
get like a

1798
01:25:39,083 --> 01:25:39,333
project

1799
01:25:39,333 --> 01:25:40,208
management, you

1800
01:25:40,208 --> 01:25:40,833
know, diploma or

1801
01:25:40,833 --> 01:25:41,333
whatever that is,

1802
01:25:41,333 --> 01:25:42,333
certificate, and

1803
01:25:42,333 --> 01:25:42,916
then try and just

1804
01:25:42,916 --> 01:25:43,791
get a little

1805
01:25:43,791 --> 01:25:44,666
higher in that

1806
01:25:44,666 --> 01:25:45,500
education to set

1807
01:25:45,500 --> 01:25:45,958
yourself apart.

1808
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:46,625
I really like

1809
01:25:46,625 --> 01:25:48,041
that, that, that

1810
01:25:48,041 --> 01:25:49,125
knowledge before

1811
01:25:49,125 --> 01:25:49,958
we just go into

1812
01:25:49,958 --> 01:25:50,333
the, the

1813
01:25:50,333 --> 01:25:50,666
graduates

1814
01:25:50,666 --> 01:25:51,375
and how you

1815
01:25:51,375 --> 01:25:52,500
balance that. Can

1816
01:25:52,500 --> 01:25:53,000
you talk a little

1817
01:25:53,000 --> 01:25:54,083
bit about like

1818
01:25:54,083 --> 01:25:55,291
the methods you

1819
01:25:55,291 --> 01:25:56,333
use to get your

1820
01:25:56,333 --> 01:25:57,000
first job,

1821
01:25:57,166 --> 01:25:57,791
like out of

1822
01:25:57,791 --> 01:25:58,166
university?

1823
01:25:58,166 --> 01:25:58,791
Because a lot of

1824
01:25:58,791 --> 01:25:59,625
people struggle

1825
01:25:59,625 --> 01:26:00,458
with getting

1826
01:26:00,458 --> 01:26:01,458
that, that

1827
01:26:01,458 --> 01:26:02,083
job, right?

1828
01:26:02,250 --> 01:26:02,875
People all the

1829
01:26:02,875 --> 01:26:03,458
times, like I've

1830
01:26:03,458 --> 01:26:04,541
just graduated,

1831
01:26:04,541 --> 01:26:05,833
I've undergrad, I

1832
01:26:05,833 --> 01:26:06,291
don't necessarily

1833
01:26:06,291 --> 01:26:07,000
want to go back

1834
01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:08,125
to grad, to do a

1835
01:26:08,125 --> 01:26:08,833
graduate degree,

1836
01:26:09,250 --> 01:26:10,541
but God, I can't

1837
01:26:10,541 --> 01:26:11,250
get, like, I

1838
01:26:11,250 --> 01:26:11,583
can't get

1839
01:26:11,583 --> 01:26:12,083
somebody to

1840
01:26:12,083 --> 01:26:12,791
answer my, my,

1841
01:26:12,875 --> 01:26:13,250
to my

1842
01:26:13,250 --> 01:26:14,000
application. Like

1843
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:14,541
I can't get an

1844
01:26:14,541 --> 01:26:15,875
interview. Did

1845
01:26:15,875 --> 01:26:16,416
you do anything

1846
01:26:16,416 --> 01:26:17,375
that, that you

1847
01:26:17,375 --> 01:26:17,750
particularly

1848
01:26:17,750 --> 01:26:18,333
like realized

1849
01:26:18,333 --> 01:26:18,791
like, Oh, this

1850
01:26:18,791 --> 01:26:19,291
actually really

1851
01:26:19,291 --> 01:26:20,083
helped? Or did

1852
01:26:20,083 --> 01:26:20,750
you have a

1853
01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:21,791
network that

1854
01:26:21,791 --> 01:26:22,000
helped

1855
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:22,583
you get that

1856
01:26:22,583 --> 01:26:23,333
job? Like what

1857
01:26:23,333 --> 01:26:24,625
did you feel you

1858
01:26:24,625 --> 01:26:26,458
did to get that,

1859
01:26:26,625 --> 01:26:27,083
that interview to

1860
01:26:27,083 --> 01:26:28,750
get that job? So

1861
01:26:28,750 --> 01:26:29,333
a few things.

1862
01:26:29,708 --> 01:26:30,375
First off, I will

1863
01:26:30,375 --> 01:26:31,833
say, I also

1864
01:26:31,833 --> 01:26:33,666
struggled. I, I

1865
01:26:33,666 --> 01:26:34,250
had two years

1866
01:26:34,250 --> 01:26:35,166
where I, I

1867
01:26:35,166 --> 01:26:36,208
graduated, I got

1868
01:26:36,208 --> 01:26:36,666
my degree,

1869
01:26:36,791 --> 01:26:37,458
and I was

1870
01:26:37,458 --> 01:26:37,916
actively

1871
01:26:37,916 --> 01:26:38,500
searching for

1872
01:26:38,500 --> 01:26:39,000
jobs. I was

1873
01:26:39,000 --> 01:26:39,708
bartending at the

1874
01:26:39,708 --> 01:26:40,500
time, I was

1875
01:26:40,500 --> 01:26:41,833
working odd jobs

1876
01:26:41,916 --> 01:26:42,666
and, you know,

1877
01:26:42,666 --> 01:26:43,083
save up some

1878
01:26:43,083 --> 01:26:44,333
money. And, you

1879
01:26:44,333 --> 01:26:44,666
know, there was a

1880
01:26:44,666 --> 01:26:45,041
point where I

1881
01:26:45,041 --> 01:26:45,458
got, I got

1882
01:26:45,458 --> 01:26:46,208
discouraged,

1883
01:26:46,291 --> 01:26:47,583
but I had reached

1884
01:26:47,583 --> 01:26:48,333
out, I had some

1885
01:26:48,333 --> 01:26:48,958
networks I

1886
01:26:48,958 --> 01:26:49,791
created during my

1887
01:26:49,791 --> 01:26:50,541
undergrad, I was,

1888
01:26:50,541 --> 01:26:51,791
I was very

1889
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:54,666
involved in the

1890
01:26:54,666 --> 01:26:55,541
university and

1891
01:26:55,541 --> 01:26:56,791
biology club. And

1892
01:26:56,791 --> 01:26:57,291
I, you know, I

1893
01:26:57,291 --> 01:26:58,083
was an officer in

1894
01:26:58,083 --> 01:26:58,791
there and I had,

1895
01:26:58,791 --> 01:26:59,166
you know, I did

1896
01:26:59,166 --> 01:26:59,500
undergrad

1897
01:26:59,500 --> 01:27:00,208
research. So I

1898
01:27:00,208 --> 01:27:00,708
had a lot of

1899
01:27:00,708 --> 01:27:01,250
connections, and

1900
01:27:01,250 --> 01:27:01,958
obviously people

1901
01:27:01,958 --> 01:27:02,541
had moved on,

1902
01:27:02,541 --> 01:27:02,958
but I started

1903
01:27:02,958 --> 01:27:03,500
reaching out to

1904
01:27:03,500 --> 01:27:04,541
people. And a

1905
01:27:04,541 --> 01:27:05,125
friend of mine,

1906
01:27:05,375 --> 01:27:05,916
Jordy, who

1907
01:27:05,916 --> 01:27:06,416
actually worked

1908
01:27:06,416 --> 01:27:06,916
for the agency,

1909
01:27:06,958 --> 01:27:07,708
I reached out to

1910
01:27:07,708 --> 01:27:08,041
her and we were

1911
01:27:08,041 --> 01:27:09,750
talking. And she

1912
01:27:09,750 --> 01:27:10,916
said that there,

1913
01:27:11,291 --> 01:27:12,166
this group was

1914
01:27:12,166 --> 01:27:12,541
looking for

1915
01:27:12,541 --> 01:27:14,541
volunteers. And I

1916
01:27:14,541 --> 01:27:15,208
was, I was

1917
01:27:15,208 --> 01:27:15,666
fortunate enough

1918
01:27:15,666 --> 01:27:17,750
to have, you

1919
01:27:17,750 --> 01:27:18,291
know, the, I

1920
01:27:18,291 --> 01:27:18,791
guess the

1921
01:27:18,791 --> 01:27:19,708
network within

1922
01:27:19,708 --> 01:27:20,916
the area, but

1923
01:27:20,916 --> 01:27:23,166
also have being

1924
01:27:23,166 --> 01:27:23,458
able to

1925
01:27:23,458 --> 01:27:24,208
volunteer. And I

1926
01:27:24,208 --> 01:27:25,208
know, I always

1927
01:27:25,208 --> 01:27:26,041
say the best way

1928
01:27:26,041 --> 01:27:26,583
to really

1929
01:27:26,583 --> 01:27:27,166
get a job,

1930
01:27:27,166 --> 01:27:27,458
especially in

1931
01:27:27,458 --> 01:27:27,833
this field is

1932
01:27:27,833 --> 01:27:29,041
volunteer. But

1933
01:27:29,041 --> 01:27:30,041
even that I know,

1934
01:27:30,041 --> 01:27:31,458
you know, it's

1935
01:27:31,458 --> 01:27:31,875
privileged in

1936
01:27:31,916 --> 01:27:32,541
itself because

1937
01:27:32,541 --> 01:27:33,375
not everyone can

1938
01:27:33,375 --> 01:27:34,333
work for free. I

1939
01:27:34,333 --> 01:27:35,750
mean, it's so

1940
01:27:35,750 --> 01:27:36,708
hard because, you

1941
01:27:36,708 --> 01:27:37,166
know, I always

1942
01:27:37,166 --> 01:27:38,166
say even just a

1943
01:27:38,166 --> 01:27:38,958
few hours a day,

1944
01:27:38,958 --> 01:27:39,625
if you can, if

1945
01:27:39,625 --> 01:27:40,333
you can find it,

1946
01:27:40,875 --> 01:27:41,458
is better than

1947
01:27:41,458 --> 01:27:42,833
nothing. I was

1948
01:27:42,833 --> 01:27:43,666
able, I kind of

1949
01:27:43,666 --> 01:27:44,208
just gave up my

1950
01:27:44,208 --> 01:27:45,500
weekends. So I

1951
01:27:45,500 --> 01:27:46,000
was bartending

1952
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:46,458
the weekends, but

1953
01:27:46,458 --> 01:27:47,291
my quote unquote

1954
01:27:47,416 --> 01:27:48,041
weekends during

1955
01:27:48,041 --> 01:27:48,916
the day, I just

1956
01:27:48,916 --> 01:27:50,833
volunteered. So I

1957
01:27:50,833 --> 01:27:52,041
volunteered for

1958
01:27:52,041 --> 01:27:52,625
about six to

1959
01:27:52,625 --> 01:27:53,458
eight hours a day

1960
01:27:53,458 --> 01:27:54,208
for two times a

1961
01:27:54,208 --> 01:27:55,333
week for a few

1962
01:27:55,375 --> 01:27:56,458
months. And it

1963
01:27:56,458 --> 01:27:56,625
was basically

1964
01:27:56,625 --> 01:27:58,125
just training for

1965
01:27:58,125 --> 01:28:00,375
the job. So I

1966
01:28:00,375 --> 01:28:00,708
always tell

1967
01:28:00,708 --> 01:28:01,208
people, I'm like,

1968
01:28:01,625 --> 01:28:02,000
if you can

1969
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:02,583
volunteer at

1970
01:28:02,583 --> 01:28:03,000
several different

1971
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:03,833
places, if you

1972
01:28:03,833 --> 01:28:04,375
don't really know

1973
01:28:04,375 --> 01:28:04,833
what you want to

1974
01:28:04,833 --> 01:28:06,375
do, and you have

1975
01:28:06,375 --> 01:28:07,458
the ability, try

1976
01:28:07,458 --> 01:28:07,916
to find some

1977
01:28:07,916 --> 01:28:08,583
places and you

1978
01:28:08,583 --> 01:28:09,375
know, give it a

1979
01:28:09,375 --> 01:28:09,916
month or a few

1980
01:28:09,916 --> 01:28:10,583
months, or just

1981
01:28:10,583 --> 01:28:11,166
let them know

1982
01:28:11,166 --> 01:28:11,583
that you're just

1983
01:28:11,583 --> 01:28:12,208
trying to figure

1984
01:28:12,208 --> 01:28:12,666
out some things,

1985
01:28:12,666 --> 01:28:13,291
but you want to,

1986
01:28:13,291 --> 01:28:13,875
you know, give

1987
01:28:13,875 --> 01:28:14,500
them your time

1988
01:28:14,500 --> 01:28:14,958
and learn

1989
01:28:14,958 --> 01:28:15,541
and learn from

1990
01:28:15,541 --> 01:28:17,916
them. But just

1991
01:28:17,916 --> 01:28:19,208
explore, like the

1992
01:28:19,208 --> 01:28:20,125
time to volunteer

1993
01:28:20,125 --> 01:28:20,750
is a time to

1994
01:28:20,750 --> 01:28:21,416
explore and you

1995
01:28:21,416 --> 01:28:23,083
can figure out if

1996
01:28:23,083 --> 01:28:23,458
you, you

1997
01:28:23,458 --> 01:28:24,125
know, if you

1998
01:28:24,166 --> 01:28:25,333
want to be a, you

1999
01:28:25,333 --> 01:28:25,458
know, a

2000
01:28:25,458 --> 01:28:26,166
zookeeper, if you

2001
01:28:26,166 --> 01:28:26,583
want to work in

2002
01:28:26,583 --> 01:28:27,166
the aquariums,

2003
01:28:27,166 --> 01:28:27,500
you want to do

2004
01:28:27,500 --> 01:28:29,041
husbandry. For

2005
01:28:29,041 --> 01:28:30,125
me, I, you know,

2006
01:28:30,125 --> 01:28:30,375
I did an

2007
01:28:30,375 --> 01:28:31,041
internship and I

2008
01:28:31,041 --> 01:28:31,708
realized that

2009
01:28:31,708 --> 01:28:32,458
husbandry full

2010
01:28:32,458 --> 01:28:33,125
time wasn't for

2011
01:28:33,125 --> 01:28:33,666
me. I loved

2012
01:28:33,666 --> 01:28:34,333
husbandry, but

2013
01:28:34,333 --> 01:28:35,833
just full time, I

2014
01:28:35,833 --> 01:28:36,791
wanted, I wanted

2015
01:28:37,041 --> 01:28:38,000
more research. So

2016
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:38,666
I knew that I

2017
01:28:38,666 --> 01:28:39,166
needed to add

2018
01:28:39,166 --> 01:28:39,791
that in there.

2019
01:28:40,083 --> 01:28:40,833
But I wouldn't

2020
01:28:40,833 --> 01:28:41,458
have known unless

2021
01:28:41,458 --> 01:28:42,458
I tried. So I

2022
01:28:42,458 --> 01:28:42,958
think doing the

2023
01:28:42,958 --> 01:28:44,125
internships and

2024
01:28:44,125 --> 01:28:45,125
volunteering was

2025
01:28:45,125 --> 01:28:46,541
just, it set me

2026
01:28:46,541 --> 01:28:47,416
up to figure out

2027
01:28:47,416 --> 01:28:48,166
what I wanted to

2028
01:28:48,166 --> 01:28:48,708
do. And it was

2029
01:28:48,708 --> 01:28:49,791
also giving me

2030
01:28:49,791 --> 01:28:50,666
skill sets that I

2031
01:28:50,708 --> 01:28:51,083
could have then

2032
01:28:51,083 --> 01:28:52,250
apply for the job

2033
01:28:52,250 --> 01:28:53,166
applications and

2034
01:28:53,166 --> 01:28:54,416
or give me an in

2035
01:28:54,416 --> 01:28:55,000
with someone was

2036
01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:55,500
once the job

2037
01:28:55,500 --> 01:28:56,166
opened up. And if

2038
01:28:56,166 --> 01:28:56,541
I was in an

2039
01:28:56,541 --> 01:28:57,333
internship or

2040
01:28:57,333 --> 01:28:57,583
volunteer

2041
01:28:57,583 --> 01:28:59,250
position, I was

2042
01:28:59,250 --> 01:29:00,041
basically trained

2043
01:29:00,041 --> 01:29:01,500
for the job. So

2044
01:29:01,500 --> 01:29:02,000
when I would

2045
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:02,708
instead of having

2046
01:29:02,708 --> 01:29:03,500
to hire someone

2047
01:29:03,500 --> 01:29:03,958
that had

2048
01:29:03,958 --> 01:29:04,375
never been

2049
01:29:04,375 --> 01:29:05,208
familiar with

2050
01:29:05,208 --> 01:29:05,708
the, you know,

2051
01:29:05,708 --> 01:29:06,333
their protocols

2052
01:29:06,333 --> 01:29:06,666
and their

2053
01:29:06,666 --> 01:29:07,916
procedures, I had

2054
01:29:07,916 --> 01:29:08,541
been for months.

2055
01:29:08,833 --> 01:29:10,083
So it was a

2056
01:29:10,083 --> 01:29:10,458
natural

2057
01:29:10,458 --> 01:29:10,875
progression

2058
01:29:10,958 --> 01:29:11,750
into a position.

2059
01:29:12,291 --> 01:29:13,958
But I know, I

2060
01:29:13,958 --> 01:29:14,250
know with like

2061
01:29:14,250 --> 01:29:14,958
internships, I

2062
01:29:14,958 --> 01:29:16,166
did one paid one

2063
01:29:16,166 --> 01:29:17,083
through Mote

2064
01:29:17,083 --> 01:29:18,416
Marine, it was a

2065
01:29:18,416 --> 01:29:19,416
USF Mote Marine,

2066
01:29:20,416 --> 01:29:21,833
collab, but it

2067
01:29:21,833 --> 01:29:22,333
was very similar

2068
01:29:22,333 --> 01:29:23,000
to the REU

2069
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:23,708
program. I always

2070
01:29:23,708 --> 01:29:24,708
tell like

2071
01:29:24,708 --> 01:29:25,458
students that are

2072
01:29:25,458 --> 01:29:26,125
undergrad. So I

2073
01:29:26,125 --> 01:29:26,833
said, look

2074
01:29:26,833 --> 01:29:27,458
at the REU

2075
01:29:27,458 --> 01:29:28,125
program, it is a

2076
01:29:28,125 --> 01:29:28,916
paid internship

2077
01:29:28,916 --> 01:29:30,083
program funded

2078
01:29:30,083 --> 01:29:30,875
through the NSF

2079
01:29:30,875 --> 01:29:31,958
grants. And I was

2080
01:29:31,958 --> 01:29:32,291
like, it's a

2081
01:29:32,291 --> 01:29:33,541
great time

2082
01:29:33,541 --> 01:29:33,833
because you

2083
01:29:33,833 --> 01:29:34,416
get to do a

2084
01:29:34,416 --> 01:29:35,000
full research

2085
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:35,833
project, you do a

2086
01:29:35,833 --> 01:29:36,833
proposal, you do

2087
01:29:36,833 --> 01:29:37,666
the research, you

2088
01:29:37,666 --> 01:29:38,500
are basically a

2089
01:29:38,500 --> 01:29:39,125
lab check that

2090
01:29:39,125 --> 01:29:40,375
entire time, you

2091
01:29:40,375 --> 01:29:40,875
go in the

2092
01:29:40,875 --> 01:29:42,291
field, and you do

2093
01:29:42,291 --> 01:29:43,541
a full poster

2094
01:29:43,541 --> 01:29:44,458
presentation and

2095
01:29:44,458 --> 01:29:45,666
basically like a

2096
01:29:45,666 --> 01:29:46,500
manuscript at the

2097
01:29:46,500 --> 01:29:48,125
end. Publishing

2098
01:29:48,125 --> 01:29:48,458
is

2099
01:29:48,458 --> 01:29:49,166
dependent on, you

2100
01:29:49,208 --> 01:29:50,250
know, the, the

2101
01:29:50,250 --> 01:29:51,000
advisor, but it

2102
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:52,041
gives you a

2103
01:29:52,041 --> 01:29:52,666
chance to really

2104
01:29:52,666 --> 01:29:53,416
see what research

2105
01:29:53,416 --> 01:29:54,625
is from start to

2106
01:29:54,625 --> 01:29:55,500
finish and, you

2107
01:29:55,500 --> 01:29:56,250
know, determine

2108
01:29:56,250 --> 01:29:57,166
if do you like

2109
01:29:57,166 --> 01:29:57,750
research? I've

2110
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:58,291
had friends that

2111
01:29:58,291 --> 01:29:58,750
have done it and

2112
01:29:58,750 --> 01:29:59,041
been like,

2113
01:29:59,208 --> 01:29:59,666
research isn't

2114
01:29:59,666 --> 01:30:00,458
for me, I rather,

2115
01:30:00,750 --> 01:30:01,250
you know, go into

2116
01:30:01,250 --> 01:30:02,375
teaching or do

2117
01:30:02,375 --> 01:30:04,625
consulting. So I

2118
01:30:04,625 --> 01:30:05,125
always say like,

2119
01:30:05,125 --> 01:30:05,583
those are the

2120
01:30:05,583 --> 01:30:05,875
opportunities

2121
01:30:05,875 --> 01:30:06,541
when you can get

2122
01:30:06,541 --> 01:30:07,083
paid to do

2123
01:30:07,083 --> 01:30:08,291
it, you can

2124
01:30:08,500 --> 01:30:09,375
experience what

2125
01:30:09,375 --> 01:30:10,333
research is like

2126
01:30:10,333 --> 01:30:11,000
from a start to

2127
01:30:11,000 --> 01:30:11,333
finish

2128
01:30:11,333 --> 01:30:12,500
standpoint, and,

2129
01:30:12,791 --> 01:30:14,000
and then be able

2130
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:14,833
to come out of

2131
01:30:14,833 --> 01:30:15,416
that with a

2132
01:30:15,416 --> 01:30:15,916
really good

2133
01:30:15,958 --> 01:30:17,000
skill set and

2134
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:17,666
kind of set

2135
01:30:17,666 --> 01:30:18,375
yourself up for

2136
01:30:18,375 --> 01:30:18,750
these jobs

2137
01:30:18,750 --> 01:30:19,500
because you've

2138
01:30:19,500 --> 01:30:20,750
also broadened

2139
01:30:20,750 --> 01:30:21,708
your network by

2140
01:30:21,708 --> 01:30:21,875
just

2141
01:30:21,875 --> 01:30:22,416
working with all

2142
01:30:22,416 --> 01:30:22,875
these people.

2143
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:24,333
Yeah, it's

2144
01:30:24,333 --> 01:30:25,291
amazing. And also

2145
01:30:25,291 --> 01:30:25,791
like when you

2146
01:30:25,791 --> 01:30:26,416
work for like

2147
01:30:26,416 --> 01:30:26,625
when you

2148
01:30:26,625 --> 01:30:27,250
volunteer in a

2149
01:30:27,250 --> 01:30:28,625
lab, like REU

2150
01:30:28,625 --> 01:30:29,333
program or any

2151
01:30:29,333 --> 01:30:30,416
other lab, you

2152
01:30:30,416 --> 01:30:31,291
work on multiple

2153
01:30:31,291 --> 01:30:32,000
projects, you

2154
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:32,750
learn how to use

2155
01:30:32,750 --> 01:30:33,041
different

2156
01:30:33,041 --> 01:30:33,958
instrumentation,

2157
01:30:33,958 --> 01:30:34,125
you learn

2158
01:30:34,125 --> 01:30:34,458
different

2159
01:30:34,458 --> 01:30:35,458
methods of

2160
01:30:35,458 --> 01:30:36,458
analysis and

2161
01:30:36,458 --> 01:30:37,166
statistics and

2162
01:30:37,166 --> 01:30:38,166
all that. And you

2163
01:30:38,166 --> 01:30:39,000
really get that

2164
01:30:39,000 --> 01:30:39,916
experience. So I

2165
01:30:39,916 --> 01:30:40,666
love that. I love

2166
01:30:40,666 --> 01:30:41,500
how you you

2167
01:30:41,500 --> 01:30:42,000
volunteer. And I

2168
01:30:42,041 --> 01:30:42,916
think, you know,

2169
01:30:43,333 --> 01:30:43,958
volunteering has

2170
01:30:43,958 --> 01:30:44,791
got a bad rap

2171
01:30:44,791 --> 01:30:45,375
over the last

2172
01:30:45,375 --> 01:30:46,250
decade, because

2173
01:30:46,250 --> 01:30:46,708
there's been a

2174
01:30:46,708 --> 01:30:47,750
lot of and I call

2175
01:30:47,750 --> 01:30:48,041
them like

2176
01:30:48,166 --> 01:30:48,500
predatory

2177
01:30:48,500 --> 01:30:49,208
organizations

2178
01:30:49,208 --> 01:30:50,000
where you have to

2179
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,166
pay to do the

2180
01:30:51,166 --> 01:30:52,041
work for them,

2181
01:30:52,041 --> 01:30:52,500
which I don't

2182
01:30:52,500 --> 01:30:53,375
like, I really

2183
01:30:53,375 --> 01:30:54,375
feel like that is

2184
01:30:54,833 --> 01:30:56,333
detrimental to to

2185
01:30:56,333 --> 01:30:57,208
not only being a

2186
01:30:57,208 --> 01:30:58,041
marine biologist,

2187
01:30:58,041 --> 01:30:58,708
but just the work

2188
01:30:58,708 --> 01:31:00,041
in general. But I

2189
01:31:00,041 --> 01:31:00,708
liked what you

2190
01:31:00,708 --> 01:31:01,000
did is

2191
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:01,333
like, look,

2192
01:31:01,750 --> 01:31:02,791
you and look, I'm

2193
01:31:02,791 --> 01:31:03,375
not saying this

2194
01:31:03,375 --> 01:31:04,375
is not easy. You

2195
01:31:04,375 --> 01:31:05,625
worked all day in

2196
01:31:05,625 --> 01:31:06,583
the field, and

2197
01:31:06,583 --> 01:31:06,958
then you go

2198
01:31:06,958 --> 01:31:07,583
bartend at

2199
01:31:07,583 --> 01:31:08,250
night, like on

2200
01:31:08,250 --> 01:31:08,791
the weekends.

2201
01:31:09,333 --> 01:31:10,041
That's not easy.

2202
01:31:10,458 --> 01:31:11,208
I don't care what

2203
01:31:11,208 --> 01:31:11,583
anybody says,

2204
01:31:11,583 --> 01:31:12,166
that's tiring

2205
01:31:12,166 --> 01:31:13,458
stuff. And that

2206
01:31:13,458 --> 01:31:14,125
but you did it

2207
01:31:14,125 --> 01:31:14,541
because you

2208
01:31:14,541 --> 01:31:15,166
loved it, you did

2209
01:31:15,166 --> 01:31:15,625
it because you

2210
01:31:15,625 --> 01:31:16,208
wanted to do it.

2211
01:31:16,208 --> 01:31:16,750
And that was the

2212
01:31:16,750 --> 01:31:17,666
one way that you

2213
01:31:17,666 --> 01:31:18,083
could do it.

2214
01:31:18,083 --> 01:31:18,333
Obviously,

2215
01:31:18,333 --> 01:31:18,833
if you could

2216
01:31:18,833 --> 01:31:19,791
apply, get an

2217
01:31:19,791 --> 01:31:20,541
interview and get

2218
01:31:20,541 --> 01:31:21,041
the job right

2219
01:31:21,041 --> 01:31:22,041
away, that would

2220
01:31:22,041 --> 01:31:22,500
have been great

2221
01:31:22,500 --> 01:31:23,000
too. But

2222
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:24,000
sometimes it just

2223
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:24,291
doesn't

2224
01:31:24,291 --> 01:31:25,333
happen. For a

2225
01:31:25,333 --> 01:31:25,875
lot of us, it

2226
01:31:25,875 --> 01:31:26,166
just doesn't

2227
01:31:26,166 --> 01:31:26,500
happen.

2228
01:31:27,500 --> 01:31:27,875
Volunteering

2229
01:31:27,875 --> 01:31:28,666
gives them the

2230
01:31:28,666 --> 01:31:29,708
team a chance to

2231
01:31:29,708 --> 01:31:30,333
get to know you.

2232
01:31:30,666 --> 01:31:31,750
Are you good with

2233
01:31:31,750 --> 01:31:32,250
the team? Do

2234
01:31:32,291 --> 01:31:32,958
you fit in with

2235
01:31:32,958 --> 01:31:33,500
the team? Are you

2236
01:31:33,500 --> 01:31:34,416
hardworking? That

2237
01:31:34,416 --> 01:31:35,583
shows you, you

2238
01:31:35,583 --> 01:31:36,583
have a second, a

2239
01:31:36,583 --> 01:31:37,208
long term

2240
01:31:37,208 --> 01:31:38,250
interview that

2241
01:31:38,250 --> 01:31:38,750
just that

2242
01:31:38,750 --> 01:31:39,958
shows them

2243
01:31:39,958 --> 01:31:40,875
what you can do.

2244
01:31:40,875 --> 01:31:41,500
And I think and

2245
01:31:41,500 --> 01:31:42,333
shows the passion

2246
01:31:42,333 --> 01:31:43,250
going at that

2247
01:31:43,250 --> 01:31:44,083
extra little mile

2248
01:31:44,083 --> 01:31:45,000
and to put in,

2249
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,000
you know, a

2250
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:46,875
number of

2251
01:31:46,875 --> 01:31:47,083
hours on

2252
01:31:47,291 --> 01:31:48,541
the weekend for a

2253
01:31:48,541 --> 01:31:49,083
couple of months

2254
01:31:49,083 --> 01:31:49,958
or three or four

2255
01:31:49,958 --> 01:31:50,333
months or

2256
01:31:50,333 --> 01:31:50,750
whatever they

2257
01:31:50,750 --> 01:31:51,666
that might be.

2258
01:31:51,958 --> 01:31:52,333
And then you get

2259
01:31:52,333 --> 01:31:52,833
a job, it's

2260
01:31:52,833 --> 01:31:53,541
worth it. And

2261
01:31:53,541 --> 01:31:54,500
even if it's not,

2262
01:31:54,500 --> 01:31:55,000
at least you got

2263
01:31:55,000 --> 01:31:55,750
the experience

2264
01:31:55,750 --> 01:31:56,583
and maybe get a

2265
01:31:56,583 --> 01:31:57,333
reference from

2266
01:31:57,333 --> 01:31:57,958
someone else,

2267
01:31:57,958 --> 01:31:58,500
right? That's the

2268
01:31:58,500 --> 01:31:59,500
power of

2269
01:31:59,500 --> 01:32:00,125
networking and

2270
01:32:00,125 --> 01:32:00,500
the power of

2271
01:32:00,500 --> 01:32:01,208
putting yourself

2272
01:32:01,208 --> 01:32:01,583
out there. And

2273
01:32:01,583 --> 01:32:02,458
what was nice is

2274
01:32:02,458 --> 01:32:02,958
you didn't have

2275
01:32:02,958 --> 01:32:03,708
to pay to do it.

2276
01:32:04,083 --> 01:32:04,333
You didn't have

2277
01:32:04,333 --> 01:32:05,083
to go away to

2278
01:32:05,083 --> 01:32:05,500
do it. It was

2279
01:32:05,500 --> 01:32:06,041
right in your

2280
01:32:06,041 --> 01:32:06,833
backyard. So that

2281
01:32:06,833 --> 01:32:07,500
helped too. I

2282
01:32:07,500 --> 01:32:08,041
think that that

2283
01:32:08,041 --> 01:32:08,791
was really good.

2284
01:32:09,125 --> 01:32:09,333
And then of

2285
01:32:09,333 --> 01:32:09,583
course,

2286
01:32:09,583 --> 01:32:10,458
showing how how

2287
01:32:10,458 --> 01:32:11,166
good you are and

2288
01:32:11,166 --> 01:32:12,000
how excited you

2289
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:12,750
are to do the

2290
01:32:12,750 --> 01:32:14,541
work. And like I

2291
01:32:14,541 --> 01:32:15,375
said, working in

2292
01:32:15,375 --> 01:32:15,750
the field is

2293
01:32:15,750 --> 01:32:16,875
never easy at

2294
01:32:16,875 --> 01:32:17,958
all. And so to

2295
01:32:17,958 --> 01:32:18,208
show that

2296
01:32:18,208 --> 01:32:18,875
you can do it and

2297
01:32:18,875 --> 01:32:19,583
you enjoy it, I

2298
01:32:19,583 --> 01:32:19,916
think that's

2299
01:32:19,916 --> 01:32:20,500
that's really

2300
01:32:20,500 --> 01:32:21,041
that's really

2301
01:32:21,041 --> 01:32:22,375
helpful. So

2302
01:32:22,375 --> 01:32:22,791
that's great. So

2303
01:32:22,791 --> 01:32:23,583
let's go back to

2304
01:32:23,583 --> 01:32:24,583
masters and

2305
01:32:25,208 --> 01:32:26,708
job. Those are

2306
01:32:26,708 --> 01:32:27,833
not easy to do

2307
01:32:27,833 --> 01:32:28,375
it. We talked

2308
01:32:28,375 --> 01:32:29,000
earlier, you

2309
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:29,375
married them

2310
01:32:29,375 --> 01:32:30,666
together by, you

2311
01:32:30,666 --> 01:32:31,166
know, doing a

2312
01:32:31,166 --> 01:32:32,333
project that I

2313
01:32:32,333 --> 01:32:33,041
assume

2314
01:32:33,041 --> 01:32:34,500
was part of

2315
01:32:34,583 --> 01:32:35,333
some of the work

2316
01:32:35,333 --> 01:32:35,916
that you were

2317
01:32:35,916 --> 01:32:36,458
that you were

2318
01:32:36,458 --> 01:32:37,000
doing, or maybe a

2319
01:32:37,000 --> 01:32:37,583
project that was

2320
01:32:37,583 --> 01:32:38,125
going to happen.

2321
01:32:38,125 --> 01:32:38,541
Can you just talk

2322
01:32:38,541 --> 01:32:39,125
a little bit

2323
01:32:39,125 --> 01:32:40,625
about how the

2324
01:32:40,625 --> 01:32:41,625
project got

2325
01:32:41,625 --> 01:32:42,208
married together

2326
01:32:42,208 --> 01:32:43,416
with the masters?

2327
01:32:44,416 --> 01:32:45,708
So it was kind of

2328
01:32:45,708 --> 01:32:47,250
unintentional. I

2329
01:32:47,250 --> 01:32:48,791
applied to the

2330
01:32:48,791 --> 01:32:49,208
university,

2331
01:32:49,208 --> 01:32:50,875
knowing that

2332
01:32:50,875 --> 01:32:51,666
there was a field

2333
01:32:51,666 --> 01:32:52,333
lab up in the

2334
01:32:52,333 --> 01:32:53,000
region, but

2335
01:32:53,000 --> 01:32:53,291
didn't

2336
01:32:53,291 --> 01:32:53,666
know how it

2337
01:32:53,750 --> 01:32:54,500
was gonna work. I

2338
01:32:54,500 --> 01:32:55,750
was just going to

2339
01:32:55,750 --> 01:32:56,416
make it work.

2340
01:32:56,416 --> 01:32:57,541
However, I can,

2341
01:32:57,541 --> 01:32:57,791
you know, if I

2342
01:32:57,791 --> 01:32:58,166
was like, if I

2343
01:32:58,166 --> 01:32:58,708
need to bump down

2344
01:32:58,708 --> 01:32:59,750
to part time, or

2345
01:32:59,750 --> 01:33:00,541
I was just

2346
01:33:00,541 --> 01:33:01,083
gonna figure it

2347
01:33:01,083 --> 01:33:02,375
out. Gotcha. But

2348
01:33:02,375 --> 01:33:03,250
I really want I

2349
01:33:03,250 --> 01:33:03,791
really liked the

2350
01:33:03,791 --> 01:33:04,500
program at

2351
01:33:04,500 --> 01:33:05,208
Jackson

2352
01:33:05,208 --> 01:33:06,416
University. And

2353
01:33:06,416 --> 01:33:08,791
I, again, it, I

2354
01:33:08,791 --> 01:33:09,458
will say what

2355
01:33:09,458 --> 01:33:10,083
drew me in

2356
01:33:10,166 --> 01:33:10,875
was white sharks,

2357
01:33:11,166 --> 01:33:11,791
you know, that

2358
01:33:11,791 --> 01:33:13,625
not not very

2359
01:33:13,625 --> 01:33:15,083
often you you get

2360
01:33:15,083 --> 01:33:16,000
a chance to work

2361
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:16,541
with them. And I

2362
01:33:16,541 --> 01:33:17,291
saw it and I was

2363
01:33:17,291 --> 01:33:19,125
like, wow. And

2364
01:33:19,125 --> 01:33:19,708
you know, I had

2365
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:20,583
been following it

2366
01:33:20,583 --> 01:33:21,166
was her son as a

2367
01:33:21,166 --> 01:33:21,833
kid, you know,

2368
01:33:21,833 --> 01:33:22,500
watching them on

2369
01:33:22,500 --> 01:33:23,916
TV and show and I

2370
01:33:23,916 --> 01:33:24,958
was like, wow, a

2371
01:33:24,958 --> 01:33:25,708
chance to work

2372
01:33:25,708 --> 01:33:26,583
with these large

2373
01:33:26,625 --> 01:33:27,291
individuals that

2374
01:33:27,291 --> 01:33:28,000
I would never get

2375
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:28,875
a chance to even

2376
01:33:28,875 --> 01:33:30,916
be near. And

2377
01:33:30,916 --> 01:33:31,250
then, you know,

2378
01:33:31,250 --> 01:33:31,583
working with this

2379
01:33:31,583 --> 01:33:32,041
organization,

2380
01:33:32,041 --> 01:33:32,291
where I could

2381
01:33:32,291 --> 01:33:32,708
learn so

2382
01:33:32,708 --> 01:33:33,166
much from so many

2383
01:33:33,166 --> 01:33:33,791
different people

2384
01:33:33,791 --> 01:33:35,125
and go to school,

2385
01:33:35,125 --> 01:33:35,833
I was like, this

2386
01:33:35,833 --> 01:33:37,000
this seems too

2387
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:37,583
good to be true.

2388
01:33:37,583 --> 01:33:38,125
But I was like,

2389
01:33:38,125 --> 01:33:39,041
let me go for it.

2390
01:33:39,291 --> 01:33:40,541
So I applied

2391
01:33:40,833 --> 01:33:43,208
and I got in. And

2392
01:33:43,208 --> 01:33:43,833
I will say with

2393
01:33:43,833 --> 01:33:45,416
JU's, they you

2394
01:33:45,416 --> 01:33:46,875
don't, you don't

2395
01:33:46,875 --> 01:33:47,583
go in with a

2396
01:33:47,583 --> 01:33:48,250
project, you

2397
01:33:48,250 --> 01:33:48,791
spend your first semester

2398
01:33:48,791 --> 01:33:50,708
meeting with

2399
01:33:50,708 --> 01:33:51,333
professors and

2400
01:33:51,333 --> 01:33:51,833
kind of figuring

2401
01:33:51,833 --> 01:33:53,416
out projects, and

2402
01:33:53,416 --> 01:33:53,916
what's a good fit

2403
01:33:53,916 --> 01:33:54,541
for you and who

2404
01:33:54,541 --> 01:33:54,958
is taking

2405
01:33:54,958 --> 01:33:56,416
students. So that

2406
01:33:56,416 --> 01:33:57,083
was also nerve

2407
01:33:57,083 --> 01:33:57,541
racking, because

2408
01:33:57,541 --> 01:33:58,416
I didn't know if

2409
01:33:58,416 --> 01:33:58,833
I was gonna get

2410
01:33:58,833 --> 01:33:59,500
the project that

2411
01:33:59,500 --> 01:34:00,416
I necessarily,

2412
01:34:00,416 --> 01:34:01,500
you know, wanted.

2413
01:34:01,875 --> 01:34:03,458
So, but it worked

2414
01:34:03,458 --> 01:34:04,208
out because

2415
01:34:04,916 --> 01:34:06,041
I, and the main

2416
01:34:06,041 --> 01:34:06,791
reason when I was

2417
01:34:06,791 --> 01:34:07,125
thinking about

2418
01:34:07,125 --> 01:34:07,750
this particular

2419
01:34:07,750 --> 01:34:08,666
project and this

2420
01:34:08,666 --> 01:34:09,250
university for

2421
01:34:09,250 --> 01:34:10,083
grad school is I

2422
01:34:10,083 --> 01:34:10,791
really wanted a

2423
01:34:10,791 --> 01:34:11,416
data heavy

2424
01:34:11,416 --> 01:34:13,083
thesis. So I had

2425
01:34:13,083 --> 01:34:13,750
a lot of field

2426
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:14,750
work through my

2427
01:34:14,750 --> 01:34:16,375
normal work, but

2428
01:34:16,375 --> 01:34:17,708
I was more of a

2429
01:34:17,708 --> 01:34:18,416
field biologist.

2430
01:34:18,416 --> 01:34:19,041
I was doing you

2431
01:34:19,041 --> 01:34:19,375
know, some

2432
01:34:19,375 --> 01:34:20,291
analysis. But it

2433
01:34:20,291 --> 01:34:21,083
was more I'm more

2434
01:34:21,083 --> 01:34:21,625
in the field, I'm

2435
01:34:21,625 --> 01:34:23,041
in, in shore and

2436
01:34:23,041 --> 01:34:24,958
offshore. But the

2437
01:34:24,958 --> 01:34:25,708
analysis side, I

2438
01:34:25,708 --> 01:34:26,458
could tell was

2439
01:34:26,458 --> 01:34:27,250
where I was, I

2440
01:34:27,250 --> 01:34:28,000
was lacking and I

2441
01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:28,708
needed something

2442
01:34:28,708 --> 01:34:29,416
for grad school.

2443
01:34:29,416 --> 01:34:29,666
I was like, this

2444
01:34:29,666 --> 01:34:30,250
is the time to

2445
01:34:30,250 --> 01:34:30,625
kind of bring

2446
01:34:30,625 --> 01:34:31,208
that up to make

2447
01:34:31,208 --> 01:34:32,000
me more of a well

2448
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:32,291
rounded

2449
01:34:32,291 --> 01:34:33,416
scientist. And so with that project, I didn't want to do that.

2450
01:34:33,416 --> 01:34:34,333
And so with that

2451
01:34:34,333 --> 01:34:35,333
project through

2452
01:34:35,333 --> 01:34:36,500
what I was using

2453
01:34:36,500 --> 01:34:36,958
the O search

2454
01:34:36,958 --> 01:34:37,916
data, it is all

2455
01:34:37,916 --> 01:34:38,666
tagged data.

2456
01:34:38,666 --> 01:34:39,333
So it is all

2457
01:34:39,333 --> 01:34:40,125
analyses.

2458
01:34:41,041 --> 01:34:41,750
And so it worked

2459
01:34:41,750 --> 01:34:42,875
out because the

2460
01:34:42,875 --> 01:34:43,458
field time

2461
01:34:43,458 --> 01:34:44,208
was more limited

2462
01:34:44,208 --> 01:34:44,750
to certain

2463
01:34:44,750 --> 01:34:45,375
expeditions

2464
01:34:45,375 --> 01:34:45,833
based on

2465
01:34:45,833 --> 01:34:46,833
time of year.

2466
01:34:48,333 --> 01:34:50,416
But the nitty

2467
01:34:50,416 --> 01:34:50,875
gritty of

2468
01:34:50,875 --> 01:34:51,541
the thesis

2469
01:34:51,791 --> 01:34:52,416
is sitting in

2470
01:34:52,416 --> 01:34:52,708
front of a

2471
01:34:52,708 --> 01:34:53,291
computer and

2472
01:34:53,291 --> 01:34:54,125
learning R code

2473
01:34:54,291 --> 01:34:55,083
and you know,

2474
01:34:55,083 --> 01:34:55,750
manipulating the

2475
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:56,416
tag data and

2476
01:34:56,416 --> 01:34:57,083
learning GIS.

2477
01:34:57,416 --> 01:34:57,916
And that was what

2478
01:34:57,916 --> 01:34:58,375
I wanted.

2479
01:34:58,625 --> 01:34:59,541
So it happened to

2480
01:34:59,541 --> 01:35:00,416
work out that

2481
01:35:00,416 --> 01:35:01,375
what I was

2482
01:35:01,375 --> 01:35:01,875
looking for

2483
01:35:01,958 --> 01:35:02,208
and what I wanted to do was to work out what I was doing.

2484
01:35:02,208 --> 01:35:03,000
And so I was looking for a way to get that kind of a master's kind

2485
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:03,375
of presented

2486
01:35:03,375 --> 01:35:04,375
itself at this

2487
01:35:04,375 --> 01:35:05,333
university and

2488
01:35:05,333 --> 01:35:05,708
kind of gave

2489
01:35:05,708 --> 01:35:06,375
me a chance.

2490
01:35:06,375 --> 01:35:06,916
And I think

2491
01:35:06,916 --> 01:35:07,750
because I had the

2492
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:08,416
field experience

2493
01:35:08,416 --> 01:35:10,375
prior that this

2494
01:35:10,375 --> 01:35:11,000
was a good

2495
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:12,500
project for me

2496
01:35:12,500 --> 01:35:13,375
and kind of gave

2497
01:35:13,375 --> 01:35:14,416
me that ability

2498
01:35:14,416 --> 01:35:15,041
to get this

2499
01:35:15,041 --> 01:35:15,958
project because I

2500
01:35:15,958 --> 01:35:16,916
most times in a

2501
01:35:16,916 --> 01:35:17,375
master's

2502
01:35:17,375 --> 01:35:17,833
you're trying to

2503
01:35:17,833 --> 01:35:18,291
get that field

2504
01:35:18,291 --> 01:35:19,041
experience, but I

2505
01:35:19,041 --> 01:35:19,750
already had it.

2506
01:35:20,083 --> 01:35:21,000
So this kind of

2507
01:35:21,000 --> 01:35:21,708
set me up in a

2508
01:35:21,708 --> 01:35:22,375
unique way.

2509
01:35:22,916 --> 01:35:25,875
So my work has

2510
01:35:25,875 --> 01:35:26,958
nothing to do

2511
01:35:26,958 --> 01:35:28,250
with my master's

2512
01:35:28,250 --> 01:35:28,708
thesis in

2513
01:35:28,708 --> 01:35:29,250
any way.

2514
01:35:29,291 --> 01:35:30,125
There's almost no

2515
01:35:30,125 --> 01:35:30,833
overlap except

2516
01:35:30,833 --> 01:35:31,708
for the

2517
01:35:31,708 --> 01:35:33,166
university and my

2518
01:35:33,166 --> 01:35:34,000
office is in the

2519
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:34,416
same building.

2520
01:35:34,791 --> 01:35:35,500
That is the only

2521
01:35:35,500 --> 01:35:36,000
overlap.

2522
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:36,541
And I didn't know

2523
01:35:36,541 --> 01:35:36,833
they were in the

2524
01:35:36,833 --> 01:35:37,208
same building

2525
01:35:37,208 --> 01:35:37,916
until I showed up

2526
01:35:37,916 --> 01:35:38,541
for orientation.

2527
01:35:39,583 --> 01:35:40,208
And I was walking

2528
01:35:40,208 --> 01:35:40,916
down the hallway

2529
01:35:40,916 --> 01:35:43,291
and I went, oh, I

2530
01:35:43,291 --> 01:35:43,916
guess this is my

2531
01:35:43,916 --> 01:35:44,583
new office.

2532
01:35:46,625 --> 01:35:47,291
That's awesome.

2533
01:35:48,041 --> 01:35:48,541
Well, and I think

2534
01:35:48,541 --> 01:35:49,500
there's something

2535
01:35:49,500 --> 01:35:50,166
to be said too,

2536
01:35:50,166 --> 01:35:50,625
when you have all

2537
01:35:50,625 --> 01:35:51,291
that field work

2538
01:35:51,291 --> 01:35:51,833
experience,

2539
01:35:52,083 --> 01:35:52,416
you know, you've

2540
01:35:52,416 --> 01:35:53,750
worked at, so I

2541
01:35:53,750 --> 01:35:54,916
assume, and you

2542
01:35:54,916 --> 01:35:55,500
can correct me if

2543
01:35:55,500 --> 01:35:55,750
I'm wrong,

2544
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:56,125
you were probably

2545
01:35:56,125 --> 01:35:57,125
working at your

2546
01:35:57,125 --> 01:35:57,750
job for about

2547
01:35:57,750 --> 01:35:58,166
seven or

2548
01:35:58,166 --> 01:35:58,500
eight years.

2549
01:35:58,666 --> 01:35:58,958
And then when you

2550
01:35:58,958 --> 01:35:59,291
started your

2551
01:35:59,291 --> 01:35:59,958
master's, is that

2552
01:35:59,958 --> 01:36:00,375
what we're

2553
01:36:00,375 --> 01:36:01,250
looking at 2016

2554
01:36:01,250 --> 01:36:01,916
in and around

2555
01:36:01,916 --> 01:36:02,375
that time?

2556
01:36:02,500 --> 01:36:04,041
2016, I was

2557
01:36:04,041 --> 01:36:06,000
about, I started

2558
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:06,416
technically

2559
01:36:06,416 --> 01:36:07,833
in 2018.

2560
01:36:08,250 --> 01:36:08,625
So I graduated

2561
01:36:08,625 --> 01:36:09,083
the two

2562
01:36:09,083 --> 01:36:09,750
years off 2018.

2563
01:36:09,750 --> 01:36:10,291
I think it was

2564
01:36:10,291 --> 01:36:10,958
like three and a

2565
01:36:10,958 --> 01:36:11,500
half,

2566
01:36:11,500 --> 01:36:12,083
three years.

2567
01:36:12,791 --> 01:36:13,500
Yeah, which is

2568
01:36:13,500 --> 01:36:14,083
good, a good

2569
01:36:14,083 --> 01:36:14,625
amount of field

2570
01:36:14,625 --> 01:36:15,125
experience,

2571
01:36:15,125 --> 01:36:15,458
especially if

2572
01:36:15,458 --> 01:36:15,625
you're in the

2573
01:36:15,625 --> 01:36:16,291
field most of the

2574
01:36:16,291 --> 01:36:17,166
time in Florida,

2575
01:36:17,166 --> 01:36:17,666
you can be in the

2576
01:36:17,666 --> 01:36:18,500
field all year

2577
01:36:18,500 --> 01:36:19,083
long, not like

2578
01:36:19,083 --> 01:36:19,708
here in Ontario,

2579
01:36:19,916 --> 01:36:20,333
where if you're

2580
01:36:20,333 --> 01:36:20,875
in the field all

2581
01:36:20,875 --> 01:36:21,750
year long, you

2582
01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:22,708
are miserable for

2583
01:36:22,708 --> 01:36:23,875
about four to six

2584
01:36:23,875 --> 01:36:24,291
months out of

2585
01:36:24,291 --> 01:36:24,708
that year.

2586
01:36:25,666 --> 01:36:26,000
But regardless,

2587
01:36:26,000 --> 01:36:26,416
you're in the

2588
01:36:26,416 --> 01:36:26,916
field, you got

2589
01:36:26,916 --> 01:36:27,375
lots of field

2590
01:36:27,375 --> 01:36:27,708
experience,

2591
01:36:27,791 --> 01:36:28,125
and then you get

2592
01:36:28,125 --> 01:36:29,625
to do everything

2593
01:36:29,625 --> 01:36:31,500
in front of a

2594
01:36:31,500 --> 01:36:32,500
computer, right?

2595
01:36:32,541 --> 01:36:32,750
You know,

2596
01:36:32,750 --> 01:36:33,000
multiple

2597
01:36:33,000 --> 01:36:33,791
monitors, looking

2598
01:36:33,791 --> 01:36:34,833
at GIS, looking

2599
01:36:34,833 --> 01:36:35,750
at spatial

2600
01:36:35,750 --> 01:36:36,333
analysis.

2601
01:36:36,458 --> 01:36:38,708
Now, again, I say

2602
01:36:38,708 --> 01:36:39,333
field work is

2603
01:36:39,333 --> 01:36:40,833
hard until you

2604
01:36:40,833 --> 01:36:41,166
have to

2605
01:36:41,166 --> 01:36:41,916
learn R code.

2606
01:36:43,041 --> 01:36:43,750
It's probably,

2607
01:36:44,958 --> 01:36:45,625
it's like for

2608
01:36:45,625 --> 01:36:46,333
graduate students

2609
01:36:46,333 --> 01:36:46,916
to like torture

2610
01:36:46,916 --> 01:36:47,458
and watching

2611
01:36:47,458 --> 01:36:47,958
graduate students

2612
01:36:47,958 --> 01:36:48,583
go through it,

2613
01:36:48,583 --> 01:36:49,375
because as I have

2614
01:36:49,375 --> 01:36:50,666
in the past and

2615
01:36:50,666 --> 01:36:51,166
gone through it

2616
01:36:51,166 --> 01:36:52,500
myself, it is

2617
01:36:52,500 --> 01:36:53,666
like crying

2618
01:36:53,666 --> 01:36:54,208
frustrating

2619
01:36:54,208 --> 01:36:54,833
at times.

2620
01:36:54,875 --> 01:36:55,333
Like there's

2621
01:36:55,333 --> 01:36:56,125
tears. It doesn't

2622
01:36:56,125 --> 01:36:56,416
matter

2623
01:36:56,416 --> 01:36:57,166
who you are.

2624
01:36:57,875 --> 01:36:58,416
It doesn't matter

2625
01:36:58,416 --> 01:36:58,916
your gender.

2626
01:36:58,958 --> 01:36:59,583
You're going to

2627
01:36:59,583 --> 01:37:00,541
cry at some point

2628
01:37:00,541 --> 01:37:01,416
for that computer

2629
01:37:01,416 --> 01:37:02,250
because this code

2630
01:37:02,250 --> 01:37:03,083
is not working,

2631
01:37:03,083 --> 01:37:04,166
especially I

2632
01:37:04,166 --> 01:37:04,791
bought the

2633
01:37:04,791 --> 01:37:05,666
spatial analysis

2634
01:37:05,666 --> 01:37:07,041
R code book

2635
01:37:08,166 --> 01:37:09,000
before I learned

2636
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:10,125
R and I

2637
01:37:10,125 --> 01:37:10,666
looked at it.

2638
01:37:10,666 --> 01:37:11,166
I'm like this, I

2639
01:37:11,166 --> 01:37:11,666
can't, this is

2640
01:37:11,666 --> 01:37:12,208
this is a

2641
01:37:12,208 --> 01:37:12,375
different

2642
01:37:12,375 --> 01:37:12,875
language.

2643
01:37:12,875 --> 01:37:13,416
I don't know what

2644
01:37:13,416 --> 01:37:14,000
this is.

2645
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:14,791
Like it's it is

2646
01:37:14,791 --> 01:37:15,416
hard, right?

2647
01:37:15,666 --> 01:37:16,291
I'm a GIS analyst

2648
01:37:16,291 --> 01:37:16,875
as well.

2649
01:37:16,875 --> 01:37:17,750
And so I learned

2650
01:37:17,750 --> 01:37:18,708
a lot on that.

2651
01:37:18,916 --> 01:37:19,625
And once you

2652
01:37:19,625 --> 01:37:20,208
said, oh, yeah, I

2653
01:37:20,208 --> 01:37:21,083
got tagged data

2654
01:37:21,083 --> 01:37:22,000
like for decades

2655
01:37:22,000 --> 01:37:23,125
of work for

2656
01:37:23,125 --> 01:37:23,750
white sharks.

2657
01:37:24,291 --> 01:37:25,333
That that got my

2658
01:37:25,333 --> 01:37:26,791
GIS going like I

2659
01:37:26,791 --> 01:37:27,500
was like, okay,

2660
01:37:27,500 --> 01:37:28,500
this you're set.

2661
01:37:28,500 --> 01:37:29,500
Like you've got a

2662
01:37:29,500 --> 01:37:30,375
cool species

2663
01:37:30,375 --> 01:37:31,583
obviously iconic

2664
01:37:31,583 --> 01:37:32,458
and then being

2665
01:37:32,458 --> 01:37:33,583
able to discover

2666
01:37:33,583 --> 01:37:34,833
and identify

2667
01:37:34,833 --> 01:37:35,708
like, you know,

2668
01:37:35,708 --> 01:37:36,541
spatial patterns

2669
01:37:36,541 --> 01:37:37,625
that we've

2670
01:37:37,625 --> 01:37:38,125
discovered the

2671
01:37:38,125 --> 01:37:39,333
last decade of

2672
01:37:39,333 --> 01:37:39,916
this of this

2673
01:37:39,916 --> 01:37:40,291
great white

2674
01:37:40,291 --> 01:37:41,541
population that

2675
01:37:41,541 --> 01:37:42,125
basically comes

2676
01:37:42,125 --> 01:37:42,500
down to

2677
01:37:42,500 --> 01:37:43,125
Jacksonville in

2678
01:37:43,125 --> 01:37:43,541
the winter.

2679
01:37:43,791 --> 01:37:44,583
And then and then

2680
01:37:44,583 --> 01:37:45,041
goes is it

2681
01:37:45,041 --> 01:37:45,583
Jacksonville as

2682
01:37:45,583 --> 01:37:46,083
it come as far

2683
01:37:46,083 --> 01:37:46,375
down as

2684
01:37:46,375 --> 01:37:46,916
Jacksonville or

2685
01:37:46,916 --> 01:37:47,333
is it go to

2686
01:37:47,333 --> 01:37:48,166
Carolina's they

2687
01:37:48,166 --> 01:37:49,208
go and well, so

2688
01:37:49,208 --> 01:37:49,875
they're

2689
01:37:49,875 --> 01:37:50,583
overwintering

2690
01:37:50,583 --> 01:37:51,333
region ranges

2691
01:37:51,333 --> 01:37:51,916
from the

2692
01:37:51,916 --> 01:37:52,125
Carolina.

2693
01:37:52,291 --> 01:37:52,833
So the North

2694
01:37:52,833 --> 01:37:53,125
Carolina,

2695
01:37:53,125 --> 01:37:53,666
especially out of

2696
01:37:53,666 --> 01:37:54,291
the outer banks

2697
01:37:54,291 --> 01:37:55,458
all the way along

2698
01:37:55,458 --> 01:37:56,541
Florida into the

2699
01:37:56,541 --> 01:37:57,750
Gulf so they can

2700
01:37:57,750 --> 01:37:58,333
even go to

2701
01:37:58,333 --> 01:37:58,708
the Gulf.

2702
01:37:58,708 --> 01:37:59,250
Yeah, the

2703
01:37:59,250 --> 01:38:00,541
furthest point

2704
01:38:00,541 --> 01:38:01,500
and through the

2705
01:38:01,500 --> 01:38:02,166
research tag

2706
01:38:02,166 --> 01:38:02,541
telemetry is

2707
01:38:02,541 --> 01:38:03,083
almost

2708
01:38:03,083 --> 01:38:03,750
near Texas.

2709
01:38:04,375 --> 01:38:05,000
It's only a

2710
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:05,500
few points.

2711
01:38:05,500 --> 01:38:05,875
A lot of them

2712
01:38:05,875 --> 01:38:06,333
will hang out

2713
01:38:06,333 --> 01:38:06,875
near Louisiana,

2714
01:38:07,166 --> 01:38:07,916
but we do see

2715
01:38:07,916 --> 01:38:08,500
them all the way.

2716
01:38:09,083 --> 01:38:09,875
And recently they

2717
01:38:09,875 --> 01:38:10,291
have found out

2718
01:38:10,291 --> 01:38:11,583
about 50% of the

2719
01:38:11,583 --> 01:38:12,375
tag individuals

2720
01:38:12,375 --> 01:38:12,916
that they have

2721
01:38:12,916 --> 01:38:13,583
actually make

2722
01:38:13,583 --> 01:38:14,208
their way into

2723
01:38:14,208 --> 01:38:16,333
the Gulf, which I

2724
01:38:16,333 --> 01:38:16,833
didn't know.

2725
01:38:38,958 --> 01:38:40,166
I mean, we didn't know up until not that long ago. And then as more

2726
01:38:40,166 --> 01:38:40,875
tag data, you

2727
01:38:40,875 --> 01:38:41,541
know, has become

2728
01:38:41,541 --> 01:38:42,291
readily available

2729
01:38:42,291 --> 01:38:42,750
and the

2730
01:38:42,750 --> 01:38:43,416
technologies have

2731
01:38:43,416 --> 01:38:44,666
increased, we

2732
01:38:44,666 --> 01:38:45,000
have

2733
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:45,541
better chance.

2734
01:38:45,541 --> 01:38:46,083
And now we

2735
01:38:46,083 --> 01:38:47,083
realize they're

2736
01:38:47,083 --> 01:38:48,708
along Florida all

2737
01:38:48,708 --> 01:38:48,958
throughout

2738
01:38:48,958 --> 01:38:49,500
the winter.

2739
01:38:49,500 --> 01:38:49,750
I mean, the

2740
01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:50,458
Carolina's I

2741
01:38:50,458 --> 01:38:51,208
mean, they use

2742
01:38:51,208 --> 01:38:51,791
that coastline

2743
01:38:51,791 --> 01:38:52,583
back and forth

2744
01:38:52,583 --> 01:38:53,416
all the time.

2745
01:38:53,416 --> 01:38:54,375
And and we don't.

2746
01:38:54,375 --> 01:38:54,958
And the thing is,

2747
01:38:54,958 --> 01:38:56,000
there's a lot of

2748
01:38:56,000 --> 01:38:56,500
research being

2749
01:38:56,500 --> 01:38:57,250
done in that New

2750
01:38:57,250 --> 01:38:58,875
England and Nova

2751
01:38:58,875 --> 01:38:59,500
Scotia and

2752
01:38:59,500 --> 01:38:59,833
Newfoundland

2753
01:38:59,833 --> 01:39:00,166
area.

2754
01:39:00,541 --> 01:39:01,041
But this

2755
01:39:01,041 --> 01:39:02,000
southeast part of

2756
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:02,166
the United

2757
01:39:02,166 --> 01:39:03,125
States, we're

2758
01:39:03,125 --> 01:39:03,958
beginning to get

2759
01:39:03,958 --> 01:39:04,625
more data on.

2760
01:39:04,666 --> 01:39:05,083
And that's kind

2761
01:39:05,083 --> 01:39:06,166
of where my my

2762
01:39:06,166 --> 01:39:06,958
thesis comes in

2763
01:39:06,958 --> 01:39:07,541
is we're

2764
01:39:07,541 --> 01:39:08,083
beginning to kind

2765
01:39:08,083 --> 01:39:09,125
of get a better

2766
01:39:09,125 --> 01:39:09,791
idea of how

2767
01:39:09,791 --> 01:39:10,375
they're utilizing

2768
01:39:10,375 --> 01:39:11,916
this area and to

2769
01:39:11,916 --> 01:39:12,083
kind of

2770
01:39:12,083 --> 01:39:12,708
understand their

2771
01:39:12,708 --> 01:39:13,500
more fine scale

2772
01:39:13,500 --> 01:39:14,166
movements.

2773
01:39:14,166 --> 01:39:14,583
And then that we

2774
01:39:14,583 --> 01:39:15,000
can begin to

2775
01:39:15,000 --> 01:39:15,208
answer these

2776
01:39:15,208 --> 01:39:16,083
questions and to

2777
01:39:16,083 --> 01:39:17,083
understand how

2778
01:39:17,083 --> 01:39:18,125
are they how are

2779
01:39:18,125 --> 01:39:18,416
they using

2780
01:39:18,416 --> 01:39:18,916
these areas?

2781
01:39:19,041 --> 01:39:19,541
What are they

2782
01:39:19,541 --> 01:39:19,958
doing while

2783
01:39:19,958 --> 01:39:20,458
they're here?

2784
01:39:20,833 --> 01:39:21,583
Or what are their

2785
01:39:21,583 --> 01:39:22,291
diving profiles

2786
01:39:22,291 --> 01:39:22,666
look like?

2787
01:39:22,666 --> 01:39:23,791
Because we don't

2788
01:39:23,791 --> 01:39:24,166
have the

2789
01:39:24,166 --> 01:39:24,666
information that

2790
01:39:24,666 --> 01:39:26,333
we have here as

2791
01:39:26,333 --> 01:39:26,833
they do up

2792
01:39:26,833 --> 01:39:27,333
in the north.

2793
01:39:28,041 --> 01:39:28,458
Kenzie, that is

2794
01:39:28,458 --> 01:39:29,875
so freaking cool.

2795
01:39:30,416 --> 01:39:31,666
Like if you think

2796
01:39:31,666 --> 01:39:32,625
about like, I

2797
01:39:32,625 --> 01:39:32,916
know we're

2798
01:39:32,916 --> 01:39:33,458
geeking out here,

2799
01:39:33,458 --> 01:39:34,250
but this is so

2800
01:39:34,250 --> 01:39:36,000
cool to be like

2801
01:39:36,000 --> 01:39:37,166
the white shark,

2802
01:39:37,458 --> 01:39:38,375
like Jaws, you

2803
01:39:38,375 --> 01:39:39,083
know, everybody's

2804
01:39:39,083 --> 01:39:39,875
afraid of it.

2805
01:39:40,333 --> 01:39:40,583
You know, there's

2806
01:39:40,583 --> 01:39:41,166
a whole history

2807
01:39:41,166 --> 01:39:41,583
behind it.

2808
01:39:41,583 --> 01:39:42,083
We're hitting 50

2809
01:39:42,083 --> 01:39:43,250
years of Jaws in

2810
01:39:43,250 --> 01:39:44,708
June this year.

2811
01:39:46,333 --> 01:39:47,541
And you get to

2812
01:39:47,541 --> 01:39:48,958
discover like in

2813
01:39:48,958 --> 01:39:49,875
the 50th year of

2814
01:39:49,875 --> 01:39:50,708
Jaws, that

2815
01:39:50,708 --> 01:39:51,708
there's like what

2816
01:39:51,708 --> 01:39:52,416
they're doing in

2817
01:39:52,416 --> 01:39:53,291
this area that

2818
01:39:53,291 --> 01:39:54,291
really we haven't

2819
01:39:54,291 --> 01:39:55,791
known ever, you

2820
01:39:55,791 --> 01:39:57,250
know, that is so

2821
01:39:57,250 --> 01:39:58,458
cool because, you

2822
01:39:58,458 --> 01:39:59,083
know, down

2823
01:39:59,083 --> 01:39:59,458
the road.

2824
01:39:59,500 --> 01:40:00,291
10 years, 20

2825
01:40:00,291 --> 01:40:00,916
years down the

2826
01:40:00,916 --> 01:40:01,875
road, you're

2827
01:40:01,875 --> 01:40:02,291
going to tell

2828
01:40:02,291 --> 01:40:02,500
people like,

2829
01:40:02,500 --> 01:40:03,041
yeah, I helped

2830
01:40:03,041 --> 01:40:04,000
figure this out.

2831
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:04,875
Like I was that

2832
01:40:04,875 --> 01:40:05,541
was my master's.

2833
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:06,833
I mean, I my

2834
01:40:06,833 --> 01:40:07,500
master's.

2835
01:40:07,958 --> 01:40:09,375
I don't I mean,

2836
01:40:09,625 --> 01:40:10,125
unfortunately, I

2837
01:40:10,125 --> 01:40:10,875
don't have like

2838
01:40:10,875 --> 01:40:12,250
amazing data in a

2839
01:40:12,250 --> 01:40:13,083
sense that like I

2840
01:40:13,083 --> 01:40:13,791
am not answering

2841
01:40:13,791 --> 01:40:14,625
all of these like

2842
01:40:14,625 --> 01:40:15,458
massively in

2843
01:40:15,458 --> 01:40:15,875
question.

2844
01:40:15,958 --> 01:40:17,791
But I like to

2845
01:40:17,791 --> 01:40:18,583
think that I am a

2846
01:40:18,583 --> 01:40:19,166
part of the

2847
01:40:19,166 --> 01:40:19,916
stepping stones

2848
01:40:19,916 --> 01:40:20,500
and the building

2849
01:40:20,500 --> 01:40:21,416
blocks to kind of

2850
01:40:21,416 --> 01:40:22,083
understanding

2851
01:40:22,083 --> 01:40:22,791
their movements

2852
01:40:22,791 --> 01:40:23,625
on down here.

2853
01:40:23,625 --> 01:40:24,000
And so that's

2854
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:24,500
kind of cool to

2855
01:40:24,500 --> 01:40:25,125
kind of be a part

2856
01:40:25,125 --> 01:40:25,833
of that story.

2857
01:40:25,833 --> 01:40:26,250
And as we learn

2858
01:40:26,250 --> 01:40:27,250
more, I can know

2859
01:40:27,250 --> 01:40:28,125
that like I

2860
01:40:28,125 --> 01:40:28,583
played my

2861
01:40:28,583 --> 01:40:28,958
part in that.

2862
01:40:28,958 --> 01:40:29,500
So like what you

2863
01:40:29,500 --> 01:40:29,791
were saying,

2864
01:40:30,041 --> 01:40:31,208
yeah, but I wish

2865
01:40:31,208 --> 01:40:31,750
I could answer

2866
01:40:31,750 --> 01:40:32,208
some of these

2867
01:40:32,208 --> 01:40:33,250
bigger like, you

2868
01:40:33,250 --> 01:40:34,041
know, under like

2869
01:40:34,041 --> 01:40:34,625
questions that we

2870
01:40:34,625 --> 01:40:35,791
can always

2871
01:40:35,791 --> 01:40:36,833
asking, you know,

2872
01:40:36,833 --> 01:40:37,083
where are

2873
01:40:37,083 --> 01:40:37,541
they mating?

2874
01:40:37,875 --> 01:40:38,500
You know, what

2875
01:40:38,500 --> 01:40:39,041
are they eating

2876
01:40:39,041 --> 01:40:39,666
on down there?

2877
01:40:39,666 --> 01:40:39,916
Are they

2878
01:40:39,916 --> 01:40:40,291
targeting

2879
01:40:40,291 --> 01:40:41,083
certain areas?

2880
01:40:41,083 --> 01:40:41,291
Are there

2881
01:40:41,291 --> 01:40:41,958
hotspots?

2882
01:40:41,958 --> 01:40:42,750
There's like so

2883
01:40:42,750 --> 01:40:43,083
much we

2884
01:40:43,083 --> 01:40:43,500
want to know.

2885
01:40:43,500 --> 01:40:44,041
And that's like

2886
01:40:44,041 --> 01:40:44,291
when you're

2887
01:40:44,291 --> 01:40:44,583
talking about

2888
01:40:44,583 --> 01:40:45,208
questions, like

2889
01:40:45,208 --> 01:40:46,541
my mind just

2890
01:40:46,541 --> 01:40:47,208
starts reeling.

2891
01:40:47,208 --> 01:40:48,000
I'm like, even

2892
01:40:48,000 --> 01:40:48,791
the master's, you

2893
01:40:48,791 --> 01:40:49,750
know, my advisor,

2894
01:40:49,750 --> 01:40:51,250
he always tells

2895
01:40:51,250 --> 01:40:52,000
me he's like real

2896
01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:52,958
it in real it.

2897
01:40:52,958 --> 01:40:53,583
And he's like,

2898
01:40:53,583 --> 01:40:54,000
remember,

2899
01:40:54,000 --> 01:40:54,833
remember the

2900
01:40:54,833 --> 01:40:55,500
scope of your

2901
01:40:55,500 --> 01:40:56,208
master's because

2902
01:40:56,208 --> 01:40:57,625
I, I would have

2903
01:40:57,625 --> 01:40:58,375
turned it into a

2904
01:40:58,375 --> 01:40:59,000
PhD too quickly.

2905
01:40:59,791 --> 01:41:00,458
I mind you. I

2906
01:41:00,458 --> 01:41:01,208
would I'm trying

2907
01:41:01,208 --> 01:41:02,000
to go for a PhD,

2908
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:03,041
but I mean, not

2909
01:41:03,041 --> 01:41:03,250
at the

2910
01:41:03,250 --> 01:41:03,625
university.

2911
01:41:03,625 --> 01:41:04,041
They don't have a

2912
01:41:04,041 --> 01:41:06,000
PhD, but but he I

2913
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:07,333
was naturally

2914
01:41:07,333 --> 01:41:08,041
just turning it

2915
01:41:08,041 --> 01:41:08,750
into and I, you

2916
01:41:08,750 --> 01:41:09,250
know, the

2917
01:41:09,250 --> 01:41:09,958
curiosity there,

2918
01:41:09,958 --> 01:41:10,416
which is great.

2919
01:41:10,625 --> 01:41:11,208
But again, you

2920
01:41:11,208 --> 01:41:12,333
have to like reel

2921
01:41:12,333 --> 01:41:13,291
yourself in or

2922
01:41:13,291 --> 01:41:13,875
remind yourself,

2923
01:41:13,875 --> 01:41:14,750
like focus on

2924
01:41:14,750 --> 01:41:15,333
your questions at

2925
01:41:15,333 --> 01:41:16,416
hand because when

2926
01:41:16,416 --> 01:41:17,041
you have too many

2927
01:41:17,041 --> 01:41:18,416
questions, you're

2928
01:41:18,416 --> 01:41:18,916
not you're never

2929
01:41:18,916 --> 01:41:19,541
going to answer

2930
01:41:19,541 --> 01:41:20,208
anything because

2931
01:41:20,208 --> 01:41:20,875
you have so many

2932
01:41:20,875 --> 01:41:21,041
going on.

2933
01:41:21,041 --> 01:41:21,625
You have to like

2934
01:41:21,625 --> 01:41:23,166
focus at like the very the

2935
01:41:23,166 --> 01:41:24,333
foundation, get

2936
01:41:24,333 --> 01:41:24,791
that done.

2937
01:41:25,041 --> 01:41:25,625
And then if more

2938
01:41:25,625 --> 01:41:26,416
projects come out

2939
01:41:26,416 --> 01:41:27,250
of that, great.

2940
01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:28,125
But let's get the

2941
01:41:28,125 --> 01:41:28,500
masters.

2942
01:41:28,958 --> 01:41:29,541
Let's get that

2943
01:41:29,541 --> 01:41:30,458
that foundation

2944
01:41:30,458 --> 01:41:31,416
project done and

2945
01:41:31,416 --> 01:41:31,791
then we can go

2946
01:41:31,791 --> 01:41:32,166
from there.

2947
01:41:32,666 --> 01:41:32,875
It's the

2948
01:41:32,875 --> 01:41:33,833
research ADHD.

2949
01:41:34,500 --> 01:41:34,833
I think every

2950
01:41:34,833 --> 01:41:35,416
student I went

2951
01:41:35,416 --> 01:41:35,875
through it.

2952
01:41:35,875 --> 01:41:36,208
Every student

2953
01:41:36,208 --> 01:41:36,750
goes because

2954
01:41:36,750 --> 01:41:37,000
you're like

2955
01:41:37,000 --> 01:41:37,458
you're asking all

2956
01:41:37,458 --> 01:41:37,875
these questions

2957
01:41:37,875 --> 01:41:38,208
like what

2958
01:41:38,208 --> 01:41:38,791
about this?

2959
01:41:38,791 --> 01:41:39,375
What about this?

2960
01:41:39,375 --> 01:41:39,916
Can we figure out

2961
01:41:39,916 --> 01:41:40,625
this and then

2962
01:41:40,625 --> 01:41:41,333
every supervisor

2963
01:41:41,333 --> 01:41:42,166
is like, hold on

2964
01:41:42,166 --> 01:41:42,541
a second.

2965
01:41:42,791 --> 01:41:43,500
Like let's focus

2966
01:41:43,500 --> 01:41:44,166
on the on

2967
01:41:44,166 --> 01:41:45,250
finishing your

2968
01:41:45,250 --> 01:41:45,791
master's.

2969
01:41:45,791 --> 01:41:46,416
Then we'll you

2970
01:41:46,416 --> 01:41:46,708
know, we'll

2971
01:41:46,708 --> 01:41:47,250
discuss other

2972
01:41:47,250 --> 01:41:48,375
papers and other

2973
01:41:48,375 --> 01:41:48,833
questions.

2974
01:41:48,875 --> 01:41:49,708
And I think it's

2975
01:41:49,708 --> 01:41:50,166
awesome.

2976
01:41:50,166 --> 01:41:50,625
Like it's awesome

2977
01:41:50,625 --> 01:41:51,458
to see because

2978
01:41:51,458 --> 01:41:52,458
that's when the

2979
01:41:52,458 --> 01:41:52,750
passion

2980
01:41:52,750 --> 01:41:53,291
hits, right?

2981
01:41:53,291 --> 01:41:53,708
That's when you

2982
01:41:53,708 --> 01:41:54,291
know, like

2983
01:41:54,291 --> 01:41:55,125
research is for

2984
01:41:55,125 --> 01:41:55,958
me like research

2985
01:41:55,958 --> 01:41:56,875
is is here.

2986
01:41:56,875 --> 01:41:57,625
Like I've hit the

2987
01:41:57,625 --> 01:41:58,458
jackpot in terms

2988
01:41:58,458 --> 01:41:59,625
of what I want to

2989
01:41:59,625 --> 01:42:00,583
learn and you

2990
01:42:00,583 --> 01:42:01,166
know, what I want

2991
01:42:01,166 --> 01:42:01,875
to find out and

2992
01:42:01,875 --> 01:42:02,333
what I want to

2993
01:42:02,333 --> 01:42:02,791
tell the world

2994
01:42:02,791 --> 01:42:03,625
like the story to

2995
01:42:03,625 --> 01:42:04,291
tell the world.

2996
01:42:04,541 --> 01:42:05,541
It is a story is

2997
01:42:05,541 --> 01:42:06,333
essentially what

2998
01:42:06,333 --> 01:42:06,750
you're saying,

2999
01:42:06,750 --> 01:42:07,291
but you're using

3000
01:42:07,291 --> 01:42:08,000
math to kind of

3001
01:42:08,000 --> 01:42:08,625
figure it out,

3002
01:42:08,625 --> 01:42:09,333
you know, and

3003
01:42:09,333 --> 01:42:11,000
geolocation to to

3004
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:11,666
figure it out.

3005
01:42:11,666 --> 01:42:12,541
So I just

3006
01:42:12,541 --> 01:42:13,083
love that.

3007
01:42:13,083 --> 01:42:13,250
I think

3008
01:42:13,250 --> 01:42:13,666
it's cool.

3009
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:14,791
And and and to be

3010
01:42:14,791 --> 01:42:15,000
honest, like

3011
01:42:15,000 --> 01:42:15,583
speaking of

3012
01:42:15,583 --> 01:42:16,041
storytelling,

3013
01:42:16,041 --> 01:42:16,833
you're

3014
01:42:16,833 --> 01:42:17,541
doing this.

3015
01:42:17,541 --> 01:42:18,458
You're doing a

3016
01:42:18,458 --> 01:42:19,208
full time job.

3017
01:42:19,458 --> 01:42:20,208
You're doing a

3018
01:42:20,208 --> 01:42:21,541
master's and then

3019
01:42:21,541 --> 01:42:22,166
you've taken it

3020
01:42:22,166 --> 01:42:23,541
upon yourself to

3021
01:42:23,541 --> 01:42:24,083
be like, hey,

3022
01:42:24,083 --> 01:42:24,458
yeah, let's talk

3023
01:42:24,458 --> 01:42:24,958
about it.

3024
01:42:24,958 --> 01:42:25,625
Let's talk about

3025
01:42:25,625 --> 01:42:26,250
to the public.

3026
01:42:26,250 --> 01:42:26,666
Like, let's just

3027
01:42:26,666 --> 01:42:27,166
go on social

3028
01:42:27,166 --> 01:42:28,125
media and I'll

3029
01:42:28,125 --> 01:42:29,125
just I'll, you

3030
01:42:29,125 --> 01:42:29,708
know, riff on

3031
01:42:29,708 --> 01:42:30,458
some videos and

3032
01:42:30,458 --> 01:42:30,958
I'll just publish

3033
01:42:30,958 --> 01:42:31,750
them so that

3034
01:42:31,750 --> 01:42:32,458
people can get to

3035
01:42:32,458 --> 01:42:32,875
know one

3036
01:42:32,875 --> 01:42:33,500
what I do.

3037
01:42:33,500 --> 01:42:34,750
But also what I

3038
01:42:34,750 --> 01:42:35,375
love what you

3039
01:42:35,375 --> 01:42:35,958
were doing with

3040
01:42:35,958 --> 01:42:36,708
your parents back

3041
01:42:36,708 --> 01:42:37,208
when you were

3042
01:42:37,208 --> 01:42:37,750
four or five

3043
01:42:37,750 --> 01:42:38,291
years old

3044
01:42:38,291 --> 01:42:39,333
snorkeling in the

3045
01:42:39,333 --> 01:42:39,958
keys and being

3046
01:42:39,958 --> 01:42:40,541
like, hey, have

3047
01:42:40,541 --> 01:42:41,083
you seen this

3048
01:42:41,083 --> 01:42:41,958
like, you know,

3049
01:42:41,958 --> 01:42:42,500
blue parrotfish?

3050
01:42:42,500 --> 01:42:43,125
Like it does.

3051
01:42:43,125 --> 01:42:43,875
It eats algae and

3052
01:42:43,875 --> 01:42:44,333
it does this.

3053
01:42:44,666 --> 01:42:45,166
You're telling

3054
01:42:45,166 --> 01:42:46,166
that to to

3055
01:42:46,166 --> 01:42:46,541
the people.

3056
01:42:47,208 --> 01:42:47,666
Obviously, you're

3057
01:42:47,666 --> 01:42:48,375
busy with a lot

3058
01:42:48,375 --> 01:42:48,750
of things.

3059
01:42:49,083 --> 01:42:49,791
What made you

3060
01:42:49,791 --> 01:42:50,625
decide to be

3061
01:42:50,625 --> 01:42:51,625
like, look, I'm

3062
01:42:51,625 --> 01:42:52,208
going to start

3063
01:42:52,208 --> 01:42:53,375
talking about not

3064
01:42:53,375 --> 01:42:53,958
only the work

3065
01:42:53,958 --> 01:42:54,375
that I'm doing,

3066
01:42:54,375 --> 01:42:55,041
but also just

3067
01:42:55,041 --> 01:42:55,750
science in

3068
01:42:55,750 --> 01:42:56,333
general and

3069
01:42:56,333 --> 01:42:57,083
marine biology

3070
01:42:57,083 --> 01:42:57,666
and ocean in

3071
01:42:57,666 --> 01:42:57,958
general.

3072
01:42:58,833 --> 01:42:59,041
There's a

3073
01:42:59,041 --> 01:42:59,625
few things.

3074
01:43:00,333 --> 01:43:01,041
One is more of

3075
01:43:01,041 --> 01:43:02,000
just a funnier

3076
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,666
reason is because

3077
01:43:04,666 --> 01:43:05,666
I always said I

3078
01:43:05,666 --> 01:43:06,375
love learning.

3079
01:43:06,375 --> 01:43:06,958
I think it's just

3080
01:43:06,958 --> 01:43:07,541
in all of us

3081
01:43:07,541 --> 01:43:08,000
scientists.

3082
01:43:08,375 --> 01:43:09,208
But, you know,

3083
01:43:10,041 --> 01:43:10,583
we'll be in a

3084
01:43:10,583 --> 01:43:11,458
conversation and

3085
01:43:11,458 --> 01:43:12,000
someone's talking

3086
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:12,458
about something

3087
01:43:12,458 --> 01:43:13,250
and then I know a

3088
01:43:13,250 --> 01:43:13,833
fun fact and I'm

3089
01:43:13,833 --> 01:43:14,333
like, oh,

3090
01:43:14,333 --> 01:43:14,833
fun fact.

3091
01:43:15,875 --> 01:43:17,583
And so like I

3092
01:43:17,583 --> 01:43:18,500
love just like

3093
01:43:18,500 --> 01:43:19,333
talking about

3094
01:43:19,333 --> 01:43:19,958
things that I

3095
01:43:19,958 --> 01:43:20,833
found out, you

3096
01:43:20,833 --> 01:43:21,625
know, if it's

3097
01:43:21,625 --> 01:43:22,291
through a paper

3098
01:43:22,291 --> 01:43:23,083
or, you know,

3099
01:43:23,083 --> 01:43:24,083
news article or,

3100
01:43:24,083 --> 01:43:24,500
you know,

3101
01:43:24,500 --> 01:43:26,000
journal, like I I

3102
01:43:26,000 --> 01:43:26,541
love to just

3103
01:43:26,541 --> 01:43:26,875
share the

3104
01:43:26,875 --> 01:43:27,333
information.

3105
01:43:27,541 --> 01:43:28,333
Some, you know,

3106
01:43:28,333 --> 01:43:29,416
my friends share

3107
01:43:29,416 --> 01:43:30,000
a similar

3108
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:30,541
interest.

3109
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:32,041
And so we always

3110
01:43:32,041 --> 01:43:32,666
kind of do this

3111
01:43:32,666 --> 01:43:33,333
back and forth.

3112
01:43:33,333 --> 01:43:33,708
And I thought

3113
01:43:33,708 --> 01:43:35,125
about why not

3114
01:43:35,125 --> 01:43:36,375
just do this to

3115
01:43:36,375 --> 01:43:36,500
the

3116
01:43:36,500 --> 01:43:37,166
everyday public?

3117
01:43:37,166 --> 01:43:38,125
And I and I do it

3118
01:43:38,125 --> 01:43:38,541
with like my

3119
01:43:38,541 --> 01:43:38,916
friends and

3120
01:43:38,916 --> 01:43:39,916
family who are

3121
01:43:39,916 --> 01:43:40,875
not even in

3122
01:43:40,875 --> 01:43:41,416
this field.

3123
01:43:42,041 --> 01:43:42,708
And, you know, I

3124
01:43:42,708 --> 01:43:43,500
also and I start

3125
01:43:43,500 --> 01:43:44,208
chatting and next

3126
01:43:44,208 --> 01:43:44,791
thing I know,

3127
01:43:44,791 --> 01:43:45,666
like I've given a

3128
01:43:45,666 --> 01:43:46,541
full 45 minute

3129
01:43:46,541 --> 01:43:47,583
lecture on some

3130
01:43:47,583 --> 01:43:48,875
random topic.

3131
01:43:50,416 --> 01:43:51,041
And I was like,

3132
01:43:51,041 --> 01:43:51,875
why don't I just

3133
01:43:51,875 --> 01:43:53,416
do this for for

3134
01:43:53,416 --> 01:43:54,583
everyone?

3135
01:43:54,750 --> 01:43:55,375
You know, what

3136
01:43:55,375 --> 01:43:56,375
why don't I like

3137
01:43:56,375 --> 01:43:57,791
make this

3138
01:43:57,791 --> 01:43:58,375
accessible?

3139
01:43:58,541 --> 01:43:59,000
And I, you know,

3140
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:00,000
I think, you

3141
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:01,000
know, I always

3142
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:01,833
felt education is

3143
01:44:01,833 --> 01:44:02,250
so important

3144
01:44:02,250 --> 01:44:03,000
because it was so

3145
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:04,458
inspiring to me.

3146
01:44:04,458 --> 01:44:04,875
And I, you know,

3147
01:44:04,875 --> 01:44:05,541
I had teachers

3148
01:44:05,541 --> 01:44:06,291
growing up that

3149
01:44:06,291 --> 01:44:07,666
made science fun

3150
01:44:07,666 --> 01:44:08,333
and engaging.

3151
01:44:09,333 --> 01:44:10,000
And I always

3152
01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,541
wanted to kind of

3153
01:44:11,541 --> 01:44:12,333
be a part of that

3154
01:44:12,333 --> 01:44:12,875
because I feel

3155
01:44:12,875 --> 01:44:13,208
like when

3156
01:44:13,208 --> 01:44:14,916
science, it can

3157
01:44:14,916 --> 01:44:15,541
be boring.

3158
01:44:15,541 --> 01:44:16,208
It can be tough.

3159
01:44:16,208 --> 01:44:16,541
It can be

3160
01:44:16,541 --> 01:44:17,500
frustrating.

3161
01:44:17,500 --> 01:44:18,000
But I think when

3162
01:44:18,000 --> 01:44:18,666
you make it fun

3163
01:44:18,666 --> 01:44:20,000
and engaging and

3164
01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:20,625
you get excited

3165
01:44:20,625 --> 01:44:21,375
about things,

3166
01:44:21,375 --> 01:44:21,791
you're going to

3167
01:44:21,791 --> 01:44:22,125
want to

3168
01:44:22,125 --> 01:44:22,541
learn more.

3169
01:44:22,541 --> 01:44:22,916
And I think

3170
01:44:22,916 --> 01:44:23,375
that's so

3171
01:44:23,375 --> 01:44:24,125
important is

3172
01:44:24,125 --> 01:44:25,250
like, again,

3173
01:44:25,541 --> 01:44:26,125
fostering this

3174
01:44:26,125 --> 01:44:27,583
curiosity, even

3175
01:44:27,583 --> 01:44:28,291
even doesn't have

3176
01:44:28,291 --> 01:44:28,583
to be about

3177
01:44:28,583 --> 01:44:29,291
marine science,

3178
01:44:29,291 --> 01:44:29,750
but just in

3179
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:30,333
general, like

3180
01:44:30,333 --> 01:44:31,500
just always

3181
01:44:31,500 --> 01:44:32,291
questioning and

3182
01:44:32,291 --> 01:44:32,958
asking and

3183
01:44:32,958 --> 01:44:33,791
looking at the

3184
01:44:33,791 --> 01:44:34,458
world and, you

3185
01:44:34,458 --> 01:44:34,666
know, through

3186
01:44:34,666 --> 01:44:35,250
different eyes

3187
01:44:35,250 --> 01:44:35,916
and, you know,

3188
01:44:36,041 --> 01:44:36,208
different

3189
01:44:36,208 --> 01:44:36,583
perspectives.

3190
01:44:37,250 --> 01:44:38,375
So I kind of

3191
01:44:38,375 --> 01:44:39,250
really wanted to

3192
01:44:39,250 --> 01:44:40,000
one, just have

3193
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:41,166
fun with it, but

3194
01:44:41,166 --> 01:44:42,666
also just bring

3195
01:44:42,666 --> 01:44:43,333
out fun facts

3196
01:44:43,333 --> 01:44:43,750
because, you

3197
01:44:43,750 --> 01:44:44,625
know, sometimes I

3198
01:44:44,625 --> 01:44:45,416
have a bunch of

3199
01:44:45,416 --> 01:44:46,166
fun facts about

3200
01:44:46,166 --> 01:44:47,250
random fish that

3201
01:44:47,250 --> 01:44:47,875
people have never

3202
01:44:47,875 --> 01:44:49,000
heard of and then

3203
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:49,250
they get excited

3204
01:44:49,250 --> 01:44:49,916
and they're like,

3205
01:44:49,916 --> 01:44:50,458
oh, I've never

3206
01:44:50,458 --> 01:44:50,750
heard about

3207
01:44:50,750 --> 01:44:51,458
what's that fish.

3208
01:44:51,458 --> 01:44:51,916
And I'm hoping

3209
01:44:51,916 --> 01:44:53,625
that by kind of

3210
01:44:53,625 --> 01:44:53,916
getting them

3211
01:44:53,916 --> 01:44:54,875
excited and, you

3212
01:44:54,875 --> 01:44:55,208
know, showing

3213
01:44:55,208 --> 01:44:55,583
them something

3214
01:44:55,583 --> 01:44:55,916
that they've

3215
01:44:55,916 --> 01:44:56,416
never seen

3216
01:44:56,416 --> 01:44:57,041
before, that

3217
01:44:57,041 --> 01:44:57,375
they're more

3218
01:44:57,375 --> 01:44:58,041
likely to go

3219
01:44:58,041 --> 01:44:58,541
research it

3220
01:44:58,541 --> 01:44:59,708
themselves or

3221
01:44:59,708 --> 01:45:00,375
tell someone else

3222
01:45:00,375 --> 01:45:00,833
about it.

3223
01:45:00,875 --> 01:45:01,708
Or when they see,

3224
01:45:01,708 --> 01:45:02,250
you know, an

3225
01:45:02,250 --> 01:45:03,416
article or, you

3226
01:45:03,416 --> 01:45:04,166
know, here, you

3227
01:45:04,166 --> 01:45:05,500
know, around

3228
01:45:05,500 --> 01:45:06,416
town, they'll be

3229
01:45:06,416 --> 01:45:07,041
like, Oh, I

3230
01:45:07,041 --> 01:45:07,500
actually have a

3231
01:45:07,500 --> 01:45:07,916
fun fact

3232
01:45:07,916 --> 01:45:08,500
about that.

3233
01:45:08,500 --> 01:45:09,291
And then they'll

3234
01:45:09,291 --> 01:45:09,875
start talking.

3235
01:45:10,041 --> 01:45:10,583
So it just helps

3236
01:45:10,583 --> 01:45:11,666
spread education

3237
01:45:11,666 --> 01:45:12,250
and knowledge,

3238
01:45:12,250 --> 01:45:12,958
but I think it's

3239
01:45:12,958 --> 01:45:14,208
just, it's so

3240
01:45:14,208 --> 01:45:15,166
vital right now.

3241
01:45:15,541 --> 01:45:16,083
And I just, and

3242
01:45:16,083 --> 01:45:16,625
again, and making

3243
01:45:16,625 --> 01:45:17,250
it accessible

3244
01:45:17,250 --> 01:45:17,916
because, you

3245
01:45:17,916 --> 01:45:18,750
know, marine

3246
01:45:18,750 --> 01:45:19,583
science can be so

3247
01:45:19,583 --> 01:45:20,208
limiting, just,

3248
01:45:20,208 --> 01:45:20,583
you know, certain

3249
01:45:20,583 --> 01:45:21,333
groups or, you

3250
01:45:21,333 --> 01:45:21,916
know, especially

3251
01:45:21,916 --> 01:45:22,416
being around

3252
01:45:22,416 --> 01:45:23,500
Florida, like a

3253
01:45:23,500 --> 01:45:24,208
lot of people in,

3254
01:45:24,208 --> 01:45:25,791
you know, in the

3255
01:45:25,791 --> 01:45:26,000
middle of the

3256
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:26,541
United States and

3257
01:45:26,541 --> 01:45:27,250
landlocked states

3258
01:45:27,250 --> 01:45:27,791
that, you know,

3259
01:45:27,791 --> 01:45:28,833
don't have access

3260
01:45:28,833 --> 01:45:29,500
to the beach 30

3261
01:45:29,500 --> 01:45:29,708
minutes

3262
01:45:29,708 --> 01:45:30,166
down the road.

3263
01:45:30,500 --> 01:45:31,250
And so some of

3264
01:45:31,250 --> 01:45:31,541
these marine

3265
01:45:31,541 --> 01:45:32,250
science classes

3266
01:45:32,250 --> 01:45:32,958
aren't available

3267
01:45:32,958 --> 01:45:33,666
because the water

3268
01:45:33,666 --> 01:45:34,750
is not there. And

3269
01:45:34,750 --> 01:45:35,416
so it's only when

3270
01:45:35,416 --> 01:45:35,916
they come down in

3271
01:45:35,916 --> 01:45:36,583
these states. But

3272
01:45:36,583 --> 01:45:37,500
when with social

3273
01:45:37,500 --> 01:45:38,250
media, we have a

3274
01:45:38,250 --> 01:45:39,083
way to access the

3275
01:45:39,083 --> 01:45:39,958
entire world.

3276
01:45:40,583 --> 01:45:41,791
And so it's, it's

3277
01:45:41,791 --> 01:45:42,458
always good to

3278
01:45:42,458 --> 01:45:42,958
kind of just put

3279
01:45:42,958 --> 01:45:43,458
it out there. And

3280
01:45:43,458 --> 01:45:44,125
so that was kind

3281
01:45:44,125 --> 01:45:44,791
of my thought

3282
01:45:44,791 --> 01:45:46,000
process was, I

3283
01:45:46,000 --> 01:45:46,416
love talking

3284
01:45:46,416 --> 01:45:47,416
about science. I

3285
01:45:47,416 --> 01:45:47,958
love educating

3286
01:45:47,958 --> 01:45:49,333
people. Why not

3287
01:45:49,333 --> 01:45:50,791
do it through

3288
01:45:50,791 --> 01:45:51,541
social media and

3289
01:45:51,541 --> 01:45:52,041
use the Internet

3290
01:45:52,041 --> 01:45:53,916
as like the best

3291
01:45:53,916 --> 01:45:54,833
educational tool

3292
01:45:54,833 --> 01:45:55,291
that there is

3293
01:45:55,291 --> 01:45:55,833
right now.

3294
01:45:55,875 --> 01:45:56,875
You are preaching

3295
01:45:56,875 --> 01:45:57,708
to the choir, my

3296
01:45:57,708 --> 01:45:58,375
friend, you are

3297
01:45:58,375 --> 01:45:59,000
preaching to the

3298
01:45:59,000 --> 01:45:59,666
choir. And I love

3299
01:45:59,666 --> 01:46:00,166
that, though. But

3300
01:46:00,166 --> 01:46:01,166
I think that's

3301
01:46:01,166 --> 01:46:01,791
the thing is it's

3302
01:46:01,791 --> 01:46:02,333
fun for you.

3303
01:46:02,875 --> 01:46:03,291
Again, it's fun

3304
01:46:03,291 --> 01:46:03,708
for you. You're

3305
01:46:03,708 --> 01:46:04,333
already doing it

3306
01:46:04,333 --> 01:46:04,833
with your family

3307
01:46:04,833 --> 01:46:05,416
and friends.

3308
01:46:05,958 --> 01:46:06,625
Right. And maybe

3309
01:46:06,625 --> 01:46:07,125
after a while,

3310
01:46:07,125 --> 01:46:07,583
your family and

3311
01:46:07,583 --> 01:46:07,875
friends like,

3312
01:46:07,875 --> 01:46:08,583
okay, can do

3313
01:46:08,583 --> 01:46:09,708
like, hold your

3314
01:46:09,708 --> 01:46:10,208
horses. That's

3315
01:46:10,208 --> 01:46:10,625
happened all the

3316
01:46:10,625 --> 01:46:11,625
time. My wife

3317
01:46:11,625 --> 01:46:12,291
will just like

3318
01:46:12,291 --> 01:46:13,333
glaze over and be

3319
01:46:13,333 --> 01:46:13,791
like, okay,

3320
01:46:13,791 --> 01:46:14,166
Andrew, get it

3321
01:46:14,166 --> 01:46:14,500
out of your

3322
01:46:14,500 --> 01:46:15,666
system and move

3323
01:46:15,666 --> 01:46:16,583
on. But that's

3324
01:46:16,583 --> 01:46:17,208
the thing. You go

3325
01:46:17,208 --> 01:46:17,791
to people like

3326
01:46:17,791 --> 01:46:18,291
you don't know

3327
01:46:18,291 --> 01:46:19,083
who you're gonna

3328
01:46:19,083 --> 01:46:19,791
who you're gonna

3329
01:46:19,791 --> 01:46:20,416
do. So is that

3330
01:46:20,416 --> 01:46:20,833
what like when

3331
01:46:20,833 --> 01:46:21,375
you like, what

3332
01:46:21,375 --> 01:46:22,166
was the goal?

3333
01:46:22,458 --> 01:46:23,000
Because because

3334
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:23,666
like, let's be

3335
01:46:23,666 --> 01:46:24,000
honest, like

3336
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:24,875
social media is

3337
01:46:24,875 --> 01:46:25,666
its own thing.

3338
01:46:25,666 --> 01:46:25,833
Content is not a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing.
It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's a thing. It's

3339
01:46:25,875 --> 01:46:26,166
content creation

3340
01:46:26,166 --> 01:46:27,208
is its own thing.

3341
01:46:27,208 --> 01:46:28,041
People make their

3342
01:46:28,041 --> 01:46:29,291
living off of

3343
01:46:29,291 --> 01:46:29,541
content

3344
01:46:29,541 --> 01:46:30,166
creation. Some

3345
01:46:30,166 --> 01:46:30,916
even that are

3346
01:46:30,916 --> 01:46:31,458
like marine

3347
01:46:31,458 --> 01:46:32,166
biology just make

3348
01:46:32,166 --> 01:46:33,291
like, you know,

3349
01:46:33,291 --> 01:46:33,583
they'll have

3350
01:46:33,583 --> 01:46:34,000
like, there's

3351
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:34,708
a creator fund

3352
01:46:34,708 --> 01:46:35,541
for each platform

3353
01:46:35,541 --> 01:46:36,083
and stuff. And

3354
01:46:36,083 --> 01:46:36,541
they could make

3355
01:46:36,541 --> 01:46:37,458
money off of

3356
01:46:37,458 --> 01:46:38,625
this. What

3357
01:46:38,625 --> 01:46:39,500
was your goal

3358
01:46:39,500 --> 01:46:40,291
when you start,

3359
01:46:40,291 --> 01:46:40,833
like you pick

3360
01:46:40,833 --> 01:46:41,750
tick tock, right?

3361
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:42,208
Obviously,

3362
01:46:42,458 --> 01:46:43,083
like I assume

3363
01:46:43,208 --> 01:46:44,000
pandemic tick

3364
01:46:44,000 --> 01:46:44,541
tock started to

3365
01:46:44,541 --> 01:46:45,458
blow up. You

3366
01:46:45,458 --> 01:46:46,208
started to see it

3367
01:46:46,208 --> 01:46:47,125
like, Hey, let's

3368
01:46:47,125 --> 01:46:47,541
start using

3369
01:46:47,541 --> 01:46:48,000
it. It's a fun

3370
01:46:48,000 --> 01:46:50,708
platform. What

3371
01:46:50,708 --> 01:46:51,583
was the goal when

3372
01:46:51,583 --> 01:46:52,166
you first started

3373
01:46:52,166 --> 01:46:52,583
was it to

3374
01:46:52,583 --> 01:46:53,166
get as many

3375
01:46:53,166 --> 01:46:53,875
followers as

3376
01:46:53,875 --> 01:46:54,541
possible? Was it

3377
01:46:54,541 --> 01:46:55,375
get like big,

3378
01:46:55,625 --> 01:46:56,166
that kind of

3379
01:46:56,166 --> 01:46:56,833
stuff? What was

3380
01:46:56,833 --> 01:46:57,208
the goal?

3381
01:46:58,208 --> 01:46:58,708
So I mean, it's

3382
01:46:58,708 --> 01:46:59,791
natural to want

3383
01:46:59,791 --> 01:47:01,041
followers and a

3384
01:47:01,041 --> 01:47:01,625
big following,

3385
01:47:01,625 --> 01:47:02,750
but that wasn't

3386
01:47:02,750 --> 01:47:04,500
the push. That

3387
01:47:04,500 --> 01:47:04,958
wasn't the

3388
01:47:04,958 --> 01:47:05,791
reasoning behind

3389
01:47:05,791 --> 01:47:06,833
it. The followers

3390
01:47:06,833 --> 01:47:08,041
would just be an

3391
01:47:08,041 --> 01:47:08,958
added bonus to

3392
01:47:08,958 --> 01:47:09,166
get the

3393
01:47:09,166 --> 01:47:09,458
information

3394
01:47:09,458 --> 01:47:10,458
out to a broader

3395
01:47:10,458 --> 01:47:12,041
audience. I just

3396
01:47:12,041 --> 01:47:14,125
wanted to promote

3397
01:47:14,125 --> 01:47:15,000
science. I just

3398
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:15,500
wanted to

3399
01:47:15,500 --> 01:47:16,041
talk. I wanted

3400
01:47:16,041 --> 01:47:16,708
to get it out

3401
01:47:16,708 --> 01:47:18,500
there. And I

3402
01:47:18,500 --> 01:47:21,000
always worry

3403
01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:22,833
about the being

3404
01:47:22,833 --> 01:47:23,916
on social. I was

3405
01:47:23,916 --> 01:47:25,041
so skeptical

3406
01:47:25,041 --> 01:47:25,500
about doing

3407
01:47:25,500 --> 01:47:26,250
this for so long.

3408
01:47:26,791 --> 01:47:27,708
So I never wanted

3409
01:47:27,708 --> 01:47:28,333
someone to think

3410
01:47:28,333 --> 01:47:29,000
that I was doing

3411
01:47:29,000 --> 01:47:30,208
it strictly for

3412
01:47:30,208 --> 01:47:30,583
the money

3413
01:47:30,708 --> 01:47:31,500
or to be some

3414
01:47:31,500 --> 01:47:31,916
type of

3415
01:47:31,916 --> 01:47:32,500
influencer

3416
01:47:32,500 --> 01:47:33,000
personality.

3417
01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:34,666
That's not the

3418
01:47:34,666 --> 01:47:36,333
goal. If they

3419
01:47:36,333 --> 01:47:36,708
were something

3420
01:47:36,708 --> 01:47:37,333
to come up

3421
01:47:37,333 --> 01:47:38,458
because of being

3422
01:47:38,458 --> 01:47:39,166
on social media,

3423
01:47:39,458 --> 01:47:39,791
great, that's

3424
01:47:39,791 --> 01:47:41,250
just a bonus. But

3425
01:47:41,250 --> 01:47:42,166
that's not the

3426
01:47:42,291 --> 01:47:42,875
root of it.

3427
01:47:42,875 --> 01:47:43,208
That's not the

3428
01:47:43,208 --> 01:47:43,708
reason why I was

3429
01:47:43,708 --> 01:47:44,250
doing it. I

3430
01:47:44,250 --> 01:47:44,791
wanted to do it

3431
01:47:44,791 --> 01:47:45,291
because I

3432
01:47:45,291 --> 01:47:45,875
loved it.

3433
01:47:46,708 --> 01:47:47,875
And I think, you

3434
01:47:47,875 --> 01:47:49,458
know, we have

3435
01:47:49,458 --> 01:47:50,458
misinformation

3436
01:47:50,458 --> 01:47:51,375
can be spread so

3437
01:47:51,375 --> 01:47:52,333
easily. So I want

3438
01:47:52,333 --> 01:47:53,000
to be a part of

3439
01:47:53,000 --> 01:47:53,500
the person, you

3440
01:47:53,500 --> 01:47:54,000
know, people that

3441
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:54,583
are spreading

3442
01:47:54,583 --> 01:47:55,083
correct

3443
01:47:55,083 --> 01:47:56,166
information and

3444
01:47:56,166 --> 01:47:56,375
showing

3445
01:47:56,375 --> 01:47:57,291
people how to

3446
01:47:57,291 --> 01:47:57,958
how to research

3447
01:47:57,958 --> 01:47:58,916
how to look for,

3448
01:47:58,916 --> 01:47:59,791
you know,

3449
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:01,208
information

3450
01:48:01,208 --> 01:48:02,041
that's, you know,

3451
01:48:02,041 --> 01:48:02,875
incorrect, or

3452
01:48:02,958 --> 01:48:03,416
be able to

3453
01:48:03,416 --> 01:48:04,291
question things.

3454
01:48:04,291 --> 01:48:04,708
You'd be like,

3455
01:48:04,708 --> 01:48:05,791
well, you know,

3456
01:48:05,791 --> 01:48:06,250
that sounds a

3457
01:48:06,250 --> 01:48:06,791
little odd.

3458
01:48:06,791 --> 01:48:07,083
Let me look

3459
01:48:07,083 --> 01:48:08,000
this up, you

3460
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:08,791
know, or oh, that

3461
01:48:08,791 --> 01:48:09,375
was a that's a

3462
01:48:09,375 --> 01:48:10,083
neat fact. Let me

3463
01:48:10,083 --> 01:48:11,208
look this up. So

3464
01:48:11,208 --> 01:48:11,500
I just

3465
01:48:11,500 --> 01:48:12,375
wanted to be

3466
01:48:13,083 --> 01:48:13,958
part of the push

3467
01:48:13,958 --> 01:48:16,291
to just promote

3468
01:48:16,291 --> 01:48:17,291
more learning.

3469
01:48:17,666 --> 01:48:18,791
And so like the

3470
01:48:18,791 --> 01:48:19,500
follower thing,

3471
01:48:19,500 --> 01:48:19,791
you know,

3472
01:48:19,791 --> 01:48:20,125
I picked

3473
01:48:20,125 --> 01:48:20,791
TikTok just

3474
01:48:20,791 --> 01:48:23,000
because it was so

3475
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:23,625
easily accessible

3476
01:48:23,625 --> 01:48:24,791
to so many people

3477
01:48:24,791 --> 01:48:25,083
without

3478
01:48:25,083 --> 01:48:25,500
necessarily

3479
01:48:25,500 --> 01:48:25,916
having to

3480
01:48:25,916 --> 01:48:26,500
have followers,

3481
01:48:26,500 --> 01:48:27,000
like if you have

3482
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:27,625
a Facebook or

3483
01:48:27,625 --> 01:48:28,125
Instagram, they

3484
01:48:28,125 --> 01:48:28,791
usually have to

3485
01:48:28,791 --> 01:48:29,125
follow

3486
01:48:29,125 --> 01:48:30,083
you for you

3487
01:48:30,083 --> 01:48:31,250
to pop up on on

3488
01:48:31,250 --> 01:48:32,000
their on their

3489
01:48:32,000 --> 01:48:32,916
like page or

3490
01:48:32,916 --> 01:48:34,083
their feed. But

3491
01:48:34,083 --> 01:48:35,166
with TikTok, they

3492
01:48:35,166 --> 01:48:35,583
can follow

3493
01:48:35,583 --> 01:48:35,958
you so they

3494
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:36,833
can see more of

3495
01:48:36,833 --> 01:48:37,583
your stuff, but

3496
01:48:37,583 --> 01:48:39,166
your videos just

3497
01:48:39,166 --> 01:48:39,875
get sent out to

3498
01:48:39,875 --> 01:48:41,458
the world. And so

3499
01:48:41,458 --> 01:48:42,666
I think that will

3500
01:48:42,666 --> 01:48:43,291
experiment in

3501
01:48:43,291 --> 01:48:43,500
front of

3502
01:48:43,500 --> 01:48:44,333
everybody. Right?

3503
01:48:44,333 --> 01:48:45,250
Yeah. Yeah. And

3504
01:48:45,250 --> 01:48:45,958
it's I mean, it's

3505
01:48:45,958 --> 01:48:46,166
nerve

3506
01:48:46,166 --> 01:48:46,708
wracking knowing

3507
01:48:46,708 --> 01:48:47,208
that you're

3508
01:48:47,208 --> 01:48:47,708
putting yourself

3509
01:48:47,708 --> 01:48:48,833
out there for

3510
01:48:48,833 --> 01:48:50,666
millions of

3511
01:48:50,666 --> 01:48:51,500
people to

3512
01:48:51,500 --> 01:48:52,375
critique and

3513
01:48:52,375 --> 01:48:53,750
criticize and,

3514
01:48:53,750 --> 01:48:54,166
you know,

3515
01:48:54,708 --> 01:48:56,458
question you. And

3516
01:48:56,458 --> 01:48:57,000
so you have to

3517
01:48:57,000 --> 01:48:57,958
like, take that into

3518
01:48:57,958 --> 01:48:58,416
consideration.

3519
01:48:58,416 --> 01:48:58,791
You're like, are

3520
01:48:58,791 --> 01:48:59,416
you prepared

3521
01:48:59,833 --> 01:49:01,166
for people to

3522
01:49:01,166 --> 01:49:02,083
question you, you

3523
01:49:02,083 --> 01:49:03,458
know, or they

3524
01:49:03,458 --> 01:49:04,250
might make fun of

3525
01:49:04,250 --> 01:49:04,875
you, you know,

3526
01:49:04,875 --> 01:49:05,291
for whatever

3527
01:49:05,291 --> 01:49:06,583
reason. So you

3528
01:49:06,583 --> 01:49:06,958
kind of have

3529
01:49:06,958 --> 01:49:07,333
it's like a

3530
01:49:07,333 --> 01:49:07,708
mental

3531
01:49:07,708 --> 01:49:08,333
preparation. But

3532
01:49:08,333 --> 01:49:09,875
also, there was

3533
01:49:09,875 --> 01:49:10,375
another part of

3534
01:49:10,375 --> 01:49:11,000
it that I thought

3535
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:11,750
it'd be a good

3536
01:49:11,750 --> 01:49:12,500
practice for me.

3537
01:49:12,875 --> 01:49:13,750
You know, as a

3538
01:49:13,750 --> 01:49:14,208
scientist and

3539
01:49:14,208 --> 01:49:14,875
educator, I

3540
01:49:14,875 --> 01:49:15,416
always feel like

3541
01:49:15,416 --> 01:49:16,916
it's important to

3542
01:49:16,916 --> 01:49:18,833
be able to relay

3543
01:49:18,833 --> 01:49:20,375
science to all

3544
01:49:20,375 --> 01:49:21,625
audiences. So we

3545
01:49:21,625 --> 01:49:21,875
go to

3546
01:49:21,875 --> 01:49:22,458
conferences, and

3547
01:49:22,458 --> 01:49:23,041
we use all the

3548
01:49:23,041 --> 01:49:23,416
scientific

3549
01:49:23,416 --> 01:49:24,000
jargon, and we

3550
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:24,250
talk to

3551
01:49:24,250 --> 01:49:24,666
people that

3552
01:49:24,708 --> 01:49:25,750
are experts in

3553
01:49:25,750 --> 01:49:26,583
what we do. And

3554
01:49:26,583 --> 01:49:28,166
that's great. But

3555
01:49:28,166 --> 01:49:28,708
we need to be

3556
01:49:28,708 --> 01:49:29,500
able to take that

3557
01:49:29,500 --> 01:49:30,375
to the public,

3558
01:49:30,375 --> 01:49:30,708
because if the

3559
01:49:30,791 --> 01:49:31,208
public gets

3560
01:49:31,208 --> 01:49:32,333
excited, we get

3561
01:49:32,333 --> 01:49:32,708
more people

3562
01:49:32,708 --> 01:49:33,208
excited. That

3563
01:49:33,208 --> 01:49:33,791
means usually

3564
01:49:33,791 --> 01:49:34,666
more funding for

3565
01:49:34,666 --> 01:49:35,208
us to do

3566
01:49:35,208 --> 01:49:35,958
more work.

3567
01:49:35,958 --> 01:49:37,833
That's true. So

3568
01:49:37,833 --> 01:49:38,333
when more people

3569
01:49:38,333 --> 01:49:38,958
know about it,

3570
01:49:38,958 --> 01:49:39,250
more people are

3571
01:49:39,250 --> 01:49:39,916
like, Well, yeah,

3572
01:49:39,916 --> 01:49:40,500
I'll donate to

3573
01:49:40,500 --> 01:49:41,125
that. Or yeah,

3574
01:49:41,125 --> 01:49:41,458
I'm more

3575
01:49:41,458 --> 01:49:42,458
likely to help

3576
01:49:42,458 --> 01:49:43,250
pay for that. Or

3577
01:49:43,250 --> 01:49:43,750
I'm more, you

3578
01:49:43,750 --> 01:49:44,833
know, it creates

3579
01:49:44,833 --> 01:49:45,958
just a better

3580
01:49:45,958 --> 01:49:47,041
system overall.

3581
01:49:47,791 --> 01:49:50,041
Yeah. But I

3582
01:49:50,041 --> 01:49:51,250
just, I, I

3583
01:49:51,250 --> 01:49:52,250
think being able

3584
01:49:52,250 --> 01:49:53,375
to also explain

3585
01:49:53,375 --> 01:49:54,750
concepts to

3586
01:49:54,750 --> 01:49:57,541
experts, to the

3587
01:49:57,541 --> 01:49:58,125
general public,

3588
01:49:58,666 --> 01:49:59,500
and to children,

3589
01:50:00,083 --> 01:50:00,916
just makes almost

3590
01:50:00,916 --> 01:50:01,500
solidifies

3591
01:50:01,500 --> 01:50:02,416
concepts in

3592
01:50:02,416 --> 01:50:02,875
your head and

3593
01:50:02,875 --> 01:50:03,250
makes you

3594
01:50:03,250 --> 01:50:03,875
understand like,

3595
01:50:03,875 --> 01:50:04,625
do I actually

3596
01:50:04,625 --> 01:50:05,208
really know what

3597
01:50:05,208 --> 01:50:05,583
I'm talking

3598
01:50:05,583 --> 01:50:06,125
about? I know

3599
01:50:06,125 --> 01:50:06,625
that sounds weird

3600
01:50:06,625 --> 01:50:07,791
to say, but you

3601
01:50:07,791 --> 01:50:08,208
know, you get

3602
01:50:08,208 --> 01:50:09,125
almost

3603
01:50:09,125 --> 01:50:09,916
regurgitating

3604
01:50:09,916 --> 01:50:10,500
some of these

3605
01:50:10,500 --> 01:50:11,416
textbook or, you

3606
01:50:11,416 --> 01:50:12,791
know, scientific

3607
01:50:12,791 --> 01:50:13,416
article

3608
01:50:13,416 --> 01:50:14,250
sentences,

3609
01:50:14,250 --> 01:50:14,666
because

3610
01:50:14,666 --> 01:50:14,833
you're like,

3611
01:50:14,875 --> 01:50:15,291
All right, this

3612
01:50:15,291 --> 01:50:15,958
is what it says.

3613
01:50:15,958 --> 01:50:16,500
And you just say

3614
01:50:16,500 --> 01:50:17,083
it, and you state

3615
01:50:17,083 --> 01:50:17,541
it. And that's

3616
01:50:17,541 --> 01:50:18,125
just the fact.

3617
01:50:18,875 --> 01:50:19,375
But it's not

3618
01:50:19,375 --> 01:50:20,416
until you're

3619
01:50:20,416 --> 01:50:21,500
talking to

3620
01:50:21,500 --> 01:50:22,125
everyday

3621
01:50:22,208 --> 01:50:23,458
people that don't

3622
01:50:23,458 --> 01:50:24,083
work in that, I

3623
01:50:24,083 --> 01:50:24,750
don't use those

3624
01:50:24,750 --> 01:50:25,375
types of terms,

3625
01:50:25,375 --> 01:50:25,750
or, you know,

3626
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:26,333
might not know

3627
01:50:26,333 --> 01:50:27,375
the anatomy of

3628
01:50:27,375 --> 01:50:27,833
sharks and

3629
01:50:27,833 --> 01:50:28,791
fish. And so

3630
01:50:28,791 --> 01:50:29,333
you're talking

3631
01:50:29,333 --> 01:50:30,500
about, you know,

3632
01:50:30,500 --> 01:50:31,166
cartilaginous,

3633
01:50:31,166 --> 01:50:31,833
you know, fish

3634
01:50:31,833 --> 01:50:32,416
and a plasma

3635
01:50:32,416 --> 01:50:33,916
branks, you know,

3636
01:50:34,208 --> 01:50:34,750
looking at the

3637
01:50:34,750 --> 01:50:35,625
highway, highway

3638
01:50:35,625 --> 01:50:36,083
arch, they

3639
01:50:36,083 --> 01:50:36,541
don't know what

3640
01:50:36,541 --> 01:50:38,458
that means. So

3641
01:50:38,458 --> 01:50:39,458
being able to

3642
01:50:39,458 --> 01:50:40,458
take those higher

3643
01:50:40,458 --> 01:50:41,208
level concepts

3644
01:50:41,208 --> 01:50:41,708
that you've

3645
01:50:41,708 --> 01:50:42,250
become an expert

3646
01:50:42,250 --> 01:50:42,875
in, and then

3647
01:50:42,875 --> 01:50:43,458
relay them to

3648
01:50:43,458 --> 01:50:43,791
the general

3649
01:50:43,791 --> 01:50:44,833
public in a way

3650
01:50:44,833 --> 01:50:45,125
that they can

3651
01:50:45,125 --> 01:50:45,708
understand and

3652
01:50:45,708 --> 01:50:46,458
get excited about

3653
01:50:46,458 --> 01:50:47,166
was kind of also

3654
01:50:47,166 --> 01:50:47,833
that push where it's

3655
01:50:47,833 --> 01:50:48,416
like, it also

3656
01:50:48,416 --> 01:50:49,416
helps me practice

3657
01:50:49,416 --> 01:50:50,583
as a scientist to

3658
01:50:50,583 --> 01:50:51,750
really understand

3659
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:52,916
the concepts that

3660
01:50:52,916 --> 01:50:54,416
I'm learning, and

3661
01:50:54,416 --> 01:50:55,125
also researching.

3662
01:50:55,416 --> 01:50:56,250
So there were so

3663
01:50:56,250 --> 01:50:56,916
many points to

3664
01:50:56,916 --> 01:50:57,500
it, but none of

3665
01:50:57,500 --> 01:50:58,166
it really ever

3666
01:50:58,166 --> 01:50:59,625
came from, I want

3667
01:50:59,625 --> 01:51:00,250
to get famous,

3668
01:51:00,250 --> 01:51:00,583
and I want more

3669
01:51:00,583 --> 01:51:01,041
followers. That

3670
01:51:01,041 --> 01:51:03,000
was never, no, I

3671
01:51:03,000 --> 01:51:03,458
mean, I don't

3672
01:51:03,458 --> 01:51:04,000
even have that

3673
01:51:04,000 --> 01:51:04,583
many followers.

3674
01:51:04,583 --> 01:51:05,250
And that's fine.

3675
01:51:05,666 --> 01:51:06,750
I just love doing

3676
01:51:06,750 --> 01:51:07,666
it. And I think

3677
01:51:07,666 --> 01:51:08,916
that if, and I

3678
01:51:08,916 --> 01:51:09,083
always

3679
01:51:09,083 --> 01:51:09,500
thought, is

3680
01:51:09,500 --> 01:51:10,375
my duty as a

3681
01:51:10,375 --> 01:51:11,541
scientist to

3682
01:51:11,541 --> 01:51:12,875
educate people

3683
01:51:12,875 --> 01:51:13,958
and put science

3684
01:51:13,958 --> 01:51:14,708
out there for

3685
01:51:14,708 --> 01:51:16,208
everyone. And so

3686
01:51:16,208 --> 01:51:16,750
I thought, you

3687
01:51:16,750 --> 01:51:18,083
know, if I am

3688
01:51:18,083 --> 01:51:19,416
able to inspire

3689
01:51:19,416 --> 01:51:20,916
or educate a

3690
01:51:21,708 --> 01:51:22,208
handful of

3691
01:51:22,208 --> 01:51:22,916
people, even one

3692
01:51:22,916 --> 01:51:23,625
person, if one

3693
01:51:23,625 --> 01:51:24,000
person got

3694
01:51:24,000 --> 01:51:24,375
inspired,

3695
01:51:24,375 --> 01:51:26,666
inspired by a

3696
01:51:26,666 --> 01:51:27,458
video I made,

3697
01:51:27,458 --> 01:51:28,250
then I have done

3698
01:51:28,250 --> 01:51:29,250
my duty as an

3699
01:51:29,250 --> 01:51:29,875
educator, as a

3700
01:51:29,875 --> 01:51:31,000
scientist to, you

3701
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:32,291
know, help future

3702
01:51:32,291 --> 01:51:33,083
generations or,

3703
01:51:33,083 --> 01:51:33,583
you know, inspire

3704
01:51:33,583 --> 01:51:34,166
someone else to

3705
01:51:34,166 --> 01:51:34,791
kind of learn

3706
01:51:34,791 --> 01:51:35,458
more or

3707
01:51:35,458 --> 01:51:36,500
pursue a career.

3708
01:51:37,083 --> 01:51:38,166
I love that. I

3709
01:51:38,166 --> 01:51:39,250
love that. And to

3710
01:51:39,250 --> 01:51:40,000
kind of push back

3711
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:40,500
on your like, I

3712
01:51:40,500 --> 01:51:41,000
don't have many

3713
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:43,291
followers. I hear

3714
01:51:43,291 --> 01:51:44,958
this a lot from a

3715
01:51:44,958 --> 01:51:45,375
lot of people,

3716
01:51:45,625 --> 01:51:45,875
right? It's

3717
01:51:45,875 --> 01:51:46,083
like, I don't

3718
01:51:46,083 --> 01:51:46,500
know. And I say

3719
01:51:46,500 --> 01:51:47,125
the same thing. I

3720
01:51:47,125 --> 01:51:47,500
don't have a lot

3721
01:51:47,500 --> 01:51:47,833
of followers.

3722
01:51:48,458 --> 01:51:49,041
Somebody told me

3723
01:51:49,041 --> 01:51:49,750
this one time,

3724
01:51:49,750 --> 01:51:50,208
because like,

3725
01:51:50,208 --> 01:51:50,583
when I first

3726
01:51:50,583 --> 01:51:50,916
started the

3727
01:51:50,916 --> 01:51:51,541
podcast, I

3728
01:51:51,541 --> 01:51:51,750
would get

3729
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:53,166
like, maybe 10

3730
01:51:53,166 --> 01:51:54,291
downloads, you

3731
01:51:54,291 --> 01:51:54,666
know, off the

3732
01:51:54,666 --> 01:51:54,958
bat, and you're

3733
01:51:54,958 --> 01:51:55,333
like, Oh,

3734
01:51:55,333 --> 01:51:55,666
nobody's

3735
01:51:55,666 --> 01:51:56,250
listening to my

3736
01:51:56,250 --> 01:51:57,166
stuff. Then I get

3737
01:51:57,166 --> 01:51:57,708
like 50

3738
01:51:57,708 --> 01:51:58,166
downloads,

3739
01:51:58,166 --> 01:51:58,583
I'm still

3740
01:51:58,666 --> 01:51:59,208
complaining,

3741
01:51:59,208 --> 01:51:59,583
because I, you

3742
01:51:59,583 --> 01:52:00,125
know, hear other

3743
01:52:00,125 --> 01:52:01,291
Joe Rogan gets a

3744
01:52:01,291 --> 01:52:02,041
million and all

3745
01:52:02,041 --> 01:52:02,333
this, and

3746
01:52:02,333 --> 01:52:02,958
everybody thinks

3747
01:52:02,958 --> 01:52:03,416
that, Oh, I

3748
01:52:03,416 --> 01:52:03,916
should be getting

3749
01:52:03,916 --> 01:52:04,208
that.

3750
01:52:05,041 --> 01:52:05,666
Somebody told me

3751
01:52:05,708 --> 01:52:06,625
this, if you put

3752
01:52:06,625 --> 01:52:07,541
like, if you have

3753
01:52:07,541 --> 01:52:08,708
100 followers,

3754
01:52:08,708 --> 01:52:09,375
100 downloads,

3755
01:52:10,125 --> 01:52:10,625
and you put 100

3756
01:52:10,625 --> 01:52:11,208
people in a

3757
01:52:11,208 --> 01:52:12,208
classroom, that's

3758
01:52:12,208 --> 01:52:13,000
the standing room

3759
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:13,791
only in a

3760
01:52:13,791 --> 01:52:14,750
classroom, right?

3761
01:52:14,750 --> 01:52:15,375
Like, that's,

3762
01:52:15,375 --> 01:52:15,875
that's a huge

3763
01:52:15,875 --> 01:52:16,458
amount of people

3764
01:52:16,458 --> 01:52:17,000
when you're

3765
01:52:17,000 --> 01:52:17,500
presenting in

3766
01:52:17,500 --> 01:52:17,750
front of a

3767
01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:18,166
classroom, like

3768
01:52:18,166 --> 01:52:19,666
in person. I'm

3769
01:52:19,666 --> 01:52:20,291
looking at your,

3770
01:52:20,291 --> 01:52:21,125
your, your

3771
01:52:21,125 --> 01:52:21,708
profile here on

3772
01:52:21,708 --> 01:52:22,458
TikTok, you have

3773
01:52:22,458 --> 01:52:23,458
at this point,

3774
01:52:23,458 --> 01:52:25,208
you have 691. And

3775
01:52:25,208 --> 01:52:25,750
I'm sure that's

3776
01:52:25,750 --> 01:52:26,166
increasing

3777
01:52:26,166 --> 01:52:27,583
followers. That's

3778
01:52:27,583 --> 01:52:28,166
a lecture hall.

3779
01:52:28,166 --> 01:52:28,708
That's almost two

3780
01:52:28,708 --> 01:52:29,291
lecture halls.

3781
01:52:29,291 --> 01:52:29,708
That's a huge

3782
01:52:29,708 --> 01:52:30,583
lecture hall of

3783
01:52:30,583 --> 01:52:31,208
people that

3784
01:52:31,208 --> 01:52:32,041
you're teaching

3785
01:52:32,041 --> 01:52:33,208
each and every

3786
01:52:33,208 --> 01:52:33,833
time you post

3787
01:52:33,833 --> 01:52:34,250
that could

3788
01:52:34,250 --> 01:52:35,041
potentially see

3789
01:52:35,041 --> 01:52:35,458
it. And if

3790
01:52:35,458 --> 01:52:35,625
you're on

3791
01:52:35,666 --> 01:52:36,666
TikTok, as you

3792
01:52:36,666 --> 01:52:38,333
mentioned, the

3793
01:52:38,333 --> 01:52:38,750
amount is

3794
01:52:38,750 --> 01:52:39,208
probably more

3795
01:52:39,208 --> 01:52:39,541
than that, that

3796
01:52:39,541 --> 01:52:39,833
are actually

3797
01:52:39,833 --> 01:52:41,250
seeing your, your

3798
01:52:41,250 --> 01:52:41,708
videos, right?

3799
01:52:42,291 --> 01:52:42,708
Because it's not

3800
01:52:42,708 --> 01:52:43,166
just to your

3801
01:52:43,166 --> 01:52:43,875
followers, it's

3802
01:52:43,875 --> 01:52:45,708
to everybody, you

3803
01:52:45,708 --> 01:52:46,041
know, you just

3804
01:52:46,041 --> 01:52:46,583
never know who

3805
01:52:46,583 --> 01:52:46,916
you're being

3806
01:52:46,916 --> 01:52:47,458
presented to. So

3807
01:52:47,458 --> 01:52:47,875
I want you to

3808
01:52:47,875 --> 01:52:48,416
think about that

3809
01:52:48,416 --> 01:52:48,916
way too. I want

3810
01:52:48,916 --> 01:52:49,416
everybody think

3811
01:52:49,416 --> 01:52:50,000
about that. Like

3812
01:52:50,000 --> 01:52:50,875
the audience here

3813
01:52:50,875 --> 01:52:51,083
who are

3814
01:52:51,083 --> 01:52:51,500
listening, I was

3815
01:52:51,500 --> 01:52:52,583
like, you never

3816
01:52:52,583 --> 01:52:53,625
know who's going

3817
01:52:53,625 --> 01:52:54,208
to see you. You

3818
01:52:54,208 --> 01:52:55,166
never know, like,

3819
01:52:55,166 --> 01:52:56,000
what impact you

3820
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:56,625
might have. And I

3821
01:52:56,625 --> 01:52:57,333
love that, that

3822
01:52:57,333 --> 01:52:58,083
the thought of

3823
01:52:58,083 --> 01:52:58,916
like, if I can

3824
01:52:58,916 --> 01:52:59,833
just get one

3825
01:52:59,833 --> 01:53:00,833
person to really

3826
01:53:00,833 --> 01:53:01,583
get excited about

3827
01:53:01,583 --> 01:53:02,250
the ocean, who

3828
01:53:02,250 --> 01:53:03,000
knows what that

3829
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:03,833
person will do

3830
01:53:03,833 --> 01:53:04,500
with that

3831
01:53:04,500 --> 01:53:05,000
information,

3832
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:05,583
you just,

3833
01:53:05,666 --> 01:53:06,666
never know. You

3834
01:53:06,666 --> 01:53:07,250
never know who's

3835
01:53:07,250 --> 01:53:08,083
listening. You

3836
01:53:08,083 --> 01:53:08,541
never know what

3837
01:53:08,541 --> 01:53:08,916
they're going to

3838
01:53:08,916 --> 01:53:09,416
do. And I think

3839
01:53:09,416 --> 01:53:10,208
that's the power

3840
01:53:10,208 --> 01:53:11,291
of being a

3841
01:53:11,291 --> 01:53:12,458
creator and, and

3842
01:53:12,458 --> 01:53:13,166
talking about

3843
01:53:13,166 --> 01:53:14,500
stuff. And we all

3844
01:53:14,500 --> 01:53:15,625
get criticism. We

3845
01:53:15,625 --> 01:53:16,500
all get bots. We

3846
01:53:16,500 --> 01:53:17,208
all get people

3847
01:53:17,208 --> 01:53:17,625
who take

3848
01:53:17,625 --> 01:53:18,416
messages, you

3849
01:53:18,416 --> 01:53:19,000
know, politically

3850
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:19,875
and all this kind

3851
01:53:19,875 --> 01:53:20,375
of stuff. And

3852
01:53:20,375 --> 01:53:21,250
they, they don't

3853
01:53:21,250 --> 01:53:22,458
know really what

3854
01:53:22,458 --> 01:53:22,875
they're talking

3855
01:53:22,875 --> 01:53:23,291
about. I had a

3856
01:53:23,291 --> 01:53:24,625
guy the other day

3857
01:53:24,625 --> 01:53:26,875
on my, on, I

3858
01:53:26,875 --> 01:53:27,333
forget what

3859
01:53:27,333 --> 01:53:28,166
platform it was,

3860
01:53:28,166 --> 01:53:29,291
but talking about

3861
01:53:29,291 --> 01:53:29,833
the importance

3862
01:53:29,833 --> 01:53:30,666
of, I did an

3863
01:53:30,666 --> 01:53:31,208
episode a couple

3864
01:53:31,208 --> 01:53:31,666
of weeks ago,

3865
01:53:31,666 --> 01:53:32,416
talking about the

3866
01:53:32,416 --> 01:53:33,083
importance of

3867
01:53:33,083 --> 01:53:33,708
talking about the

3868
01:53:33,708 --> 01:53:34,166
ocean, how

3869
01:53:34,166 --> 01:53:34,708
important it is

3870
01:53:34,708 --> 01:53:35,041
to talk to your

3871
01:53:35,041 --> 01:53:35,250
friends

3872
01:53:35,250 --> 01:53:35,500
and family.

3873
01:53:35,583 --> 01:53:36,083
As you know,

3874
01:53:36,083 --> 01:53:36,708
right? You do it,

3875
01:53:36,708 --> 01:53:37,166
you do the same

3876
01:53:37,166 --> 01:53:38,291
thing. And the

3877
01:53:38,291 --> 01:53:38,583
guy was like,

3878
01:53:38,583 --> 01:53:39,041
well, who cares

3879
01:53:39,041 --> 01:53:39,958
about the ocean?

3880
01:53:39,958 --> 01:53:40,458
Like, there are

3881
01:53:40,458 --> 01:53:41,083
so many homeless

3882
01:53:41,083 --> 01:53:41,541
people in

3883
01:53:41,541 --> 01:53:42,750
California. And

3884
01:53:42,750 --> 01:53:43,750
I'm like, okay,

3885
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:44,833
yeah, totally get

3886
01:53:44,833 --> 01:53:46,083
it. Like, that's

3887
01:53:46,083 --> 01:53:46,375
not what we're

3888
01:53:46,375 --> 01:53:46,791
talking about

3889
01:53:46,791 --> 01:53:47,291
here. Like

3890
01:53:47,291 --> 01:53:47,750
completely

3891
01:53:47,750 --> 01:53:48,500
different issues,

3892
01:53:48,500 --> 01:53:49,041
you know, but I

3893
01:53:49,041 --> 01:53:49,625
get it. Like,

3894
01:53:49,625 --> 01:53:50,041
it's, there's

3895
01:53:50,041 --> 01:53:51,083
other people have

3896
01:53:51,083 --> 01:53:51,666
other issues. But

3897
01:53:51,666 --> 01:53:52,458
the, you know,

3898
01:53:53,041 --> 01:53:53,666
and, and you just

3899
01:53:53,666 --> 01:53:54,500
never know who

3900
01:53:54,500 --> 01:53:55,208
you're getting to

3901
01:53:55,208 --> 01:53:55,833
watch it, what

3902
01:53:55,833 --> 01:53:56,166
they're going to

3903
01:53:56,166 --> 01:53:56,708
comment. And you

3904
01:53:56,708 --> 01:53:57,541
just have to like

3905
01:53:57,541 --> 01:53:58,625
answer those

3906
01:53:58,625 --> 01:53:59,708
properly. And,

3907
01:53:59,708 --> 01:54:01,166
and, you know, I,

3908
01:54:01,166 --> 01:54:02,041
I like to try and

3909
01:54:02,041 --> 01:54:02,541
be nice to

3910
01:54:02,541 --> 01:54:03,166
everybody.

3911
01:54:03,166 --> 01:54:04,083
There's some, I'm

3912
01:54:04,083 --> 01:54:04,541
a little more

3913
01:54:04,541 --> 01:54:05,125
aggressive with.

3914
01:54:05,125 --> 01:54:05,500
But every

3915
01:54:05,583 --> 01:54:06,375
once in a while,

3916
01:54:06,375 --> 01:54:07,291
you know, there's

3917
01:54:07,291 --> 01:54:07,708
people who are

3918
01:54:07,708 --> 01:54:08,375
just genuinely

3919
01:54:08,375 --> 01:54:08,958
worried about

3920
01:54:08,958 --> 01:54:09,458
other things in

3921
01:54:09,458 --> 01:54:09,750
the world. And

3922
01:54:09,750 --> 01:54:10,041
you're like, I

3923
01:54:10,041 --> 01:54:10,875
get it. I, I

3924
01:54:10,875 --> 01:54:11,500
responded. I was

3925
01:54:11,500 --> 01:54:12,791
like, yeah, I

3926
01:54:12,791 --> 01:54:13,208
hope you do

3927
01:54:13,208 --> 01:54:13,750
something about

3928
01:54:13,750 --> 01:54:14,583
it. Like, I would

3929
01:54:14,583 --> 01:54:15,416
love to hear. I'd

3930
01:54:15,416 --> 01:54:16,000
love to see what

3931
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:17,000
you create online

3932
01:54:17,000 --> 01:54:17,958
to help with that

3933
01:54:17,958 --> 01:54:18,375
homeless. Because

3934
01:54:18,375 --> 01:54:18,916
that's obviously

3935
01:54:18,916 --> 01:54:19,541
something that's

3936
01:54:19,541 --> 01:54:20,083
important, but

3937
01:54:20,083 --> 01:54:20,875
not what we're

3938
01:54:20,875 --> 01:54:21,375
talking about

3939
01:54:21,375 --> 01:54:21,875
here. So I

3940
01:54:21,875 --> 01:54:22,375
appreciate the

3941
01:54:22,375 --> 01:54:23,125
comment. But, you

3942
01:54:23,125 --> 01:54:23,875
know, thank you.

3943
01:54:23,875 --> 01:54:24,708
Yeah, but that's,

3944
01:54:24,708 --> 01:54:25,083
you know, but,

3945
01:54:25,083 --> 01:54:27,208
but I've also had

3946
01:54:27,208 --> 01:54:27,791
a lot of people

3947
01:54:27,791 --> 01:54:29,291
who have changed

3948
01:54:29,291 --> 01:54:29,666
their lives

3949
01:54:29,666 --> 01:54:30,416
because of it.

3950
01:54:30,416 --> 01:54:30,750
They've either

3951
01:54:30,750 --> 01:54:31,541
gone to do a PhD

3952
01:54:31,541 --> 01:54:32,208
or they've gone

3953
01:54:32,208 --> 01:54:33,500
to change and

3954
01:54:33,500 --> 01:54:34,083
start an

3955
01:54:34,083 --> 01:54:35,000
organization and

3956
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:35,541
all that kind of stuff.

3957
01:54:35,583 --> 01:54:36,500
So you just never

3958
01:54:36,500 --> 01:54:37,916
know who's going

3959
01:54:37,916 --> 01:54:39,708
to listen. And

3960
01:54:39,708 --> 01:54:40,500
it's also cool.

3961
01:54:40,500 --> 01:54:41,208
Some of the

3962
01:54:41,208 --> 01:54:41,708
stories you

3963
01:54:41,708 --> 01:54:42,541
cover, we just

3964
01:54:42,541 --> 01:54:43,041
talked about this

3965
01:54:43,041 --> 01:54:43,625
before we press

3966
01:54:43,625 --> 01:54:44,958
record and I hope

3967
01:54:44,958 --> 01:54:45,625
it's okay to talk

3968
01:54:45,625 --> 01:54:46,125
about this. But

3969
01:54:46,125 --> 01:54:46,500
one of your

3970
01:54:46,500 --> 01:54:47,166
recent, I guess

3971
01:54:47,166 --> 01:54:47,708
it was a series

3972
01:54:47,708 --> 01:54:48,500
of episode, you

3973
01:54:48,500 --> 01:54:49,083
did a couple of

3974
01:54:49,083 --> 01:54:49,583
parts. They gave

3975
01:54:49,583 --> 01:54:50,208
like four or five

3976
01:54:50,208 --> 01:54:50,791
parts of this.

3977
01:54:51,166 --> 01:54:51,500
Could you talk

3978
01:54:51,500 --> 01:54:52,333
about this recent

3979
01:54:52,333 --> 01:54:54,125
one? It got a lot

3980
01:54:54,125 --> 01:54:55,500
of views, like

3981
01:54:55,500 --> 01:54:56,750
almost 40,000

3982
01:54:56,750 --> 01:54:57,416
views on that

3983
01:54:57,416 --> 01:54:59,291
first video. What

3984
01:54:59,291 --> 01:55:00,000
was the scenario

3985
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,000
and why did you

3986
01:55:01,000 --> 01:55:01,750
feel the need to

3987
01:55:01,750 --> 01:55:02,166
comment?

3988
01:55:03,041 --> 01:55:05,291
So it's all so

3989
01:55:05,291 --> 01:55:05,958
ridiculous. And

3990
01:55:05,958 --> 01:55:06,500
it always makes

3991
01:55:06,500 --> 01:55:07,291
me laugh. What

3992
01:55:07,291 --> 01:55:09,250
gets popular on

3993
01:55:09,250 --> 01:55:10,000
the internet. And

3994
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:11,208
it's always this

3995
01:55:11,208 --> 01:55:12,208
just strange

3996
01:55:12,208 --> 01:55:12,708
thing. And it's

3997
01:55:12,708 --> 01:55:13,291
always the one

3998
01:55:13,291 --> 01:55:14,083
thing you least

3999
01:55:14,083 --> 01:55:14,833
expect. You know,

4000
01:55:15,208 --> 01:55:15,708
I was I think I

4001
01:55:15,708 --> 01:55:16,000
was telling you

4002
01:55:16,000 --> 01:55:16,500
before this, the

4003
01:55:16,500 --> 01:55:17,250
videos that I put

4004
01:55:17,250 --> 01:55:17,750
the time and

4005
01:55:17,750 --> 01:55:18,375
effort to, you

4006
01:55:18,375 --> 01:55:19,041
know, do their

4007
01:55:19,041 --> 01:55:19,541
background

4008
01:55:19,541 --> 01:55:20,916
research to find

4009
01:55:20,916 --> 01:55:21,875
the good images,

4010
01:55:21,875 --> 01:55:23,041
then to record

4011
01:55:23,041 --> 01:55:23,833
and then to edit,

4012
01:55:23,833 --> 01:55:24,125
you know, their

4013
01:55:24,125 --> 01:55:25,375
hours of time and

4014
01:55:25,375 --> 01:55:26,375
effort. You know,

4015
01:55:26,375 --> 01:55:27,083
they get views, I

4016
01:55:27,083 --> 01:55:27,291
get some

4017
01:55:27,291 --> 01:55:27,708
comments. I'm

4018
01:55:27,708 --> 01:55:28,166
like, Yeah, it's

4019
01:55:28,166 --> 01:55:29,250
awesome. The one

4020
01:55:29,250 --> 01:55:29,750
that I really

4021
01:55:29,750 --> 01:55:30,333
wake up in the

4022
01:55:30,333 --> 01:55:31,000
morning, do a

4023
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:31,416
response

4024
01:55:31,416 --> 01:55:32,125
video to.

4025
01:55:32,416 --> 01:55:34,000
That took me five

4026
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:35,083
minutes maximum

4027
01:55:35,083 --> 01:55:36,041
to do gets the

4028
01:55:36,041 --> 01:55:37,416
most views. But

4029
01:55:37,416 --> 01:55:39,583
the video was,

4030
01:55:39,833 --> 01:55:40,625
and I must date

4031
01:55:40,625 --> 01:55:41,791
this, this video,

4032
01:55:41,791 --> 01:55:43,583
this statement is

4033
01:55:43,583 --> 01:55:44,666
fake. It was a

4034
01:55:44,666 --> 01:55:45,000
created

4035
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:45,916
statement. But at

4036
01:55:45,916 --> 01:55:46,500
the time, I

4037
01:55:46,500 --> 01:55:47,125
wasn't sure.

4038
01:55:47,666 --> 01:55:49,250
Right. So this

4039
01:55:49,250 --> 01:55:49,916
woman online

4040
01:55:49,916 --> 01:55:50,916
stated that she

4041
01:55:50,916 --> 01:55:51,750
was diving with

4042
01:55:51,750 --> 01:55:52,375
sharks and was

4043
01:55:52,375 --> 01:55:53,208
wearing a sequin

4044
01:55:53,208 --> 01:55:55,000
bikini and had an

4045
01:55:55,000 --> 01:55:55,708
encounter with

4046
01:55:55,708 --> 01:55:57,166
the shark. And

4047
01:55:57,166 --> 01:55:58,166
the internet lost

4048
01:55:58,166 --> 01:55:58,916
its mind. You

4049
01:55:58,916 --> 01:55:59,458
know, there's a

4050
01:55:59,458 --> 01:55:59,916
lot of people

4051
01:55:59,916 --> 01:56:00,791
that I was and I

4052
01:56:00,791 --> 01:56:01,500
was I was kind of

4053
01:56:01,500 --> 01:56:01,958
happy to

4054
01:56:01,958 --> 01:56:02,166
see that.

4055
01:56:02,208 --> 01:56:02,541
Everyone was

4056
01:56:02,541 --> 01:56:02,916
like, What are

4057
01:56:02,916 --> 01:56:03,458
you doing? You

4058
01:56:03,458 --> 01:56:03,958
would you should

4059
01:56:03,958 --> 01:56:04,541
never do that.

4060
01:56:04,541 --> 01:56:05,041
You look like a

4061
01:56:05,041 --> 01:56:07,208
giant fish. So I

4062
01:56:07,208 --> 01:56:07,791
was happy to see

4063
01:56:07,791 --> 01:56:08,375
that people were

4064
01:56:08,375 --> 01:56:08,875
recognizing,

4065
01:56:09,125 --> 01:56:09,500
Yeah, that's

4066
01:56:09,500 --> 01:56:10,333
probably a bad

4067
01:56:10,333 --> 01:56:12,666
idea. So I just

4068
01:56:12,666 --> 01:56:13,500
commented one

4069
01:56:13,500 --> 01:56:14,416
stating, Yes,

4070
01:56:14,875 --> 01:56:15,500
everyone saying

4071
01:56:15,500 --> 01:56:16,000
this is a bad

4072
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:17,666
idea. Yes, it is.

4073
01:56:18,333 --> 01:56:19,833
You know, the

4074
01:56:19,833 --> 01:56:20,958
sequins reflect

4075
01:56:20,958 --> 01:56:21,750
the light and

4076
01:56:21,750 --> 01:56:22,375
they can mimic

4077
01:56:22,375 --> 01:56:24,000
fish scales. And

4078
01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:24,375
when you're

4079
01:56:24,375 --> 01:56:25,333
diving with

4080
01:56:25,333 --> 01:56:26,583
things that eat

4081
01:56:26,583 --> 01:56:28,000
fish, you don't

4082
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:28,750
want to look like

4083
01:56:28,750 --> 01:56:29,458
that. And I'm not

4084
01:56:29,458 --> 01:56:30,041
saying just

4085
01:56:30,041 --> 01:56:30,666
because she was

4086
01:56:30,666 --> 01:56:31,291
wearing that,

4087
01:56:31,291 --> 01:56:32,166
that initiative, you know,

4088
01:56:32,166 --> 01:56:34,041
she did that fake

4089
01:56:34,041 --> 01:56:34,666
interaction.

4090
01:56:35,291 --> 01:56:36,291
Right. But you

4091
01:56:36,291 --> 01:56:37,041
don't want to put

4092
01:56:37,041 --> 01:56:37,958
yourself in any

4093
01:56:37,958 --> 01:56:39,041
way, shape or

4094
01:56:39,041 --> 01:56:40,458
form in harm or

4095
01:56:40,458 --> 01:56:41,041
in a way that

4096
01:56:41,041 --> 01:56:42,250
could create or

4097
01:56:42,250 --> 01:56:43,708
allow the

4098
01:56:43,708 --> 01:56:44,416
interaction to

4099
01:56:44,416 --> 01:56:44,875
potentially

4100
01:56:44,875 --> 01:56:45,666
happen. I'm gonna

4101
01:56:45,666 --> 01:56:46,541
say it that way.

4102
01:56:46,541 --> 01:56:48,166
Yeah. So you just

4103
01:56:48,166 --> 01:56:48,750
want to be

4104
01:56:48,750 --> 01:56:49,458
cognizant of what

4105
01:56:49,458 --> 01:56:50,208
you're doing.

4106
01:56:50,208 --> 01:56:51,708
Yeah. So I stated

4107
01:56:51,708 --> 01:56:53,208
that one. Just

4108
01:56:53,208 --> 01:56:54,208
don't wear that.

4109
01:56:54,208 --> 01:56:54,625
I would suggest

4110
01:56:54,625 --> 01:56:55,333
not wearing that.

4111
01:56:55,333 --> 01:56:56,458
If you if you

4112
01:56:56,458 --> 01:56:56,875
really want to

4113
01:56:56,875 --> 01:56:57,666
wear it, wear a

4114
01:56:57,666 --> 01:56:58,500
wetsuit or wear,

4115
01:56:58,500 --> 01:56:59,250
you know, a sun

4116
01:56:59,250 --> 01:56:59,750
shirt, wear

4117
01:56:59,750 --> 01:57:01,000
something that

4118
01:57:01,000 --> 01:57:01,708
takes away that

4119
01:57:01,708 --> 01:57:02,166
shimes. I

4120
01:57:02,166 --> 01:57:02,916
always say the

4121
01:57:02,916 --> 01:57:03,750
same thing with

4122
01:57:03,750 --> 01:57:04,500
jewelry does the

4123
01:57:04,500 --> 01:57:05,375
same thing. You

4124
01:57:05,375 --> 01:57:05,875
know, people go

4125
01:57:05,875 --> 01:57:06,208
swimming in

4126
01:57:06,208 --> 01:57:07,166
jewelry and I've

4127
01:57:07,166 --> 01:57:08,291
actually had more

4128
01:57:08,291 --> 01:57:09,416
closer

4129
01:57:09,416 --> 01:57:10,333
interactions with

4130
01:57:10,333 --> 01:57:11,583
barracuda than I

4131
01:57:11,583 --> 01:57:12,125
have with sharks

4132
01:57:12,125 --> 01:57:12,833
and I've swam

4133
01:57:12,833 --> 01:57:13,833
with hundreds of

4134
01:57:13,833 --> 01:57:15,208
sharks. But the

4135
01:57:15,208 --> 01:57:15,833
few barracuda

4136
01:57:15,833 --> 01:57:16,791
they, you know,

4137
01:57:16,791 --> 01:57:17,041
again, I

4138
01:57:17,041 --> 01:57:17,500
mentioned my

4139
01:57:17,500 --> 01:57:18,000
bracelet keeping

4140
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:18,875
it on and you're

4141
01:57:18,875 --> 01:57:19,375
sitting there

4142
01:57:19,375 --> 01:57:19,791
holding it

4143
01:57:19,791 --> 01:57:20,833
because that

4144
01:57:20,833 --> 01:57:21,500
little bit of

4145
01:57:21,500 --> 01:57:22,333
shine kind of

4146
01:57:22,333 --> 01:57:22,958
looks like a fish

4147
01:57:22,958 --> 01:57:23,833
scale. And again,

4148
01:57:23,833 --> 01:57:24,583
even if it's not

4149
01:57:24,583 --> 01:57:25,041
necessarily

4150
01:57:25,041 --> 01:57:26,250
looking like a

4151
01:57:26,250 --> 01:57:27,291
fish, it's

4152
01:57:27,291 --> 01:57:27,583
something

4153
01:57:27,583 --> 01:57:28,166
different in the

4154
01:57:28,166 --> 01:57:28,833
environment that

4155
01:57:28,833 --> 01:57:29,250
something is

4156
01:57:29,250 --> 01:57:29,791
gonna be curious

4157
01:57:29,791 --> 01:57:30,791
about and then go

4158
01:57:30,791 --> 01:57:31,583
investigate it to

4159
01:57:31,583 --> 01:57:31,916
figure out

4160
01:57:32,166 --> 01:57:33,750
what is this? So

4161
01:57:33,750 --> 01:57:34,916
you don't you

4162
01:57:34,916 --> 01:57:35,333
don't want to

4163
01:57:35,333 --> 01:57:36,208
draw that attention that

4164
01:57:36,208 --> 01:57:36,791
that's not the

4165
01:57:36,791 --> 01:57:37,375
attention you're

4166
01:57:37,375 --> 01:57:37,958
looking for about

4167
01:57:37,958 --> 01:57:38,333
being in the

4168
01:57:38,333 --> 01:57:38,791
ocean. And you

4169
01:57:38,791 --> 01:57:39,416
know, most times

4170
01:57:39,416 --> 01:57:40,250
for shark badges,

4171
01:57:40,250 --> 01:57:40,791
we're going to

4172
01:57:40,791 --> 01:57:41,458
find sharks, but

4173
01:57:41,458 --> 01:57:41,958
most people that

4174
01:57:41,958 --> 01:57:42,375
are swimming in

4175
01:57:42,375 --> 01:57:43,541
the ocean aren't

4176
01:57:43,541 --> 01:57:44,750
wanting, they

4177
01:57:44,750 --> 01:57:45,083
don't want to

4178
01:57:45,083 --> 01:57:46,916
find them. So I

4179
01:57:46,916 --> 01:57:47,708
made the video

4180
01:57:47,708 --> 01:57:48,833
and I wanted to

4181
01:57:48,833 --> 01:57:49,833
make it a few

4182
01:57:49,833 --> 01:57:50,541
part series. I

4183
01:57:50,541 --> 01:57:51,125
wanted to want to

4184
01:57:51,125 --> 01:57:51,625
address the

4185
01:57:51,625 --> 01:57:52,791
video, but then I

4186
01:57:52,791 --> 01:57:53,250
wanted to bring

4187
01:57:53,250 --> 01:57:53,541
up some good

4188
01:57:53,541 --> 01:57:54,208
points because it

4189
01:57:54,208 --> 01:57:55,666
gave the perfect

4190
01:57:55,666 --> 01:57:56,916
timing to talk

4191
01:57:56,916 --> 01:57:57,708
about safe swim

4192
01:57:57,708 --> 01:57:58,958
practices. You

4193
01:57:58,958 --> 01:58:00,000
know, when you're

4194
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:00,416
going on the

4195
01:58:00,416 --> 01:58:01,083
water, you have

4196
01:58:01,083 --> 01:58:01,708
to, you know,

4197
01:58:01,708 --> 01:58:02,083
you're going

4198
01:58:02,208 --> 01:58:03,250
into another

4199
01:58:03,250 --> 01:58:04,000
environment,

4200
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:04,750
you're going into

4201
01:58:04,750 --> 01:58:05,833
basically the

4202
01:58:05,833 --> 01:58:06,333
home of all these

4203
01:58:06,333 --> 01:58:06,708
animals,

4204
01:58:07,583 --> 01:58:08,041
including sharks,

4205
01:58:08,666 --> 01:58:09,166
and you have to

4206
01:58:09,166 --> 01:58:09,958
be aware of what

4207
01:58:09,958 --> 01:58:10,583
you're doing and

4208
01:58:10,583 --> 01:58:11,041
you want to make

4209
01:58:11,041 --> 01:58:11,875
sure you are

4210
01:58:11,875 --> 01:58:13,000
staying safe. You

4211
01:58:13,000 --> 01:58:13,333
know, the reason

4212
01:58:13,333 --> 01:58:14,000
we have those

4213
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:14,583
flags of the

4214
01:58:14,583 --> 01:58:15,125
beach and we have

4215
01:58:15,125 --> 01:58:15,875
lifeguards and we

4216
01:58:15,875 --> 01:58:16,458
have all these

4217
01:58:16,458 --> 01:58:17,250
signage, you

4218
01:58:17,250 --> 01:58:17,708
know, just

4219
01:58:17,708 --> 01:58:18,583
explaining the

4220
01:58:18,583 --> 01:58:19,791
area is for

4221
01:58:19,791 --> 01:58:20,583
information to

4222
01:58:20,583 --> 01:58:21,208
make sure that

4223
01:58:21,208 --> 01:58:22,208
you are safe as a

4224
01:58:22,208 --> 01:58:22,750
swimmer when you

4225
01:58:22,750 --> 01:58:23,458
when you make the

4226
01:58:23,458 --> 01:58:24,125
decision to get

4227
01:58:24,125 --> 01:58:25,291
in the water. And

4228
01:58:25,291 --> 01:58:26,000
so I talked

4229
01:58:26,000 --> 01:58:26,708
about, you know,

4230
01:58:26,708 --> 01:58:27,458
not swimming near

4231
01:58:27,458 --> 01:58:27,916
a fishing

4232
01:58:27,916 --> 01:58:29,958
fishermen, you

4233
01:58:29,958 --> 01:58:30,458
know, one, you

4234
01:58:30,458 --> 01:58:30,833
don't want to get

4235
01:58:30,833 --> 01:58:31,333
caught up in the

4236
01:58:31,333 --> 01:58:32,166
line. They also

4237
01:58:32,166 --> 01:58:33,291
have active bait.

4238
01:58:33,708 --> 01:58:34,625
That bait is in

4239
01:58:34,625 --> 01:58:36,083
the water, trying

4240
01:58:36,083 --> 01:58:36,750
to attract

4241
01:58:36,750 --> 01:58:37,416
everything in

4242
01:58:37,416 --> 01:58:38,291
that area. The

4243
01:58:38,291 --> 01:58:38,875
last thing you

4244
01:58:38,875 --> 01:58:39,791
want to do is be

4245
01:58:39,791 --> 01:58:40,458
near something

4246
01:58:40,458 --> 01:58:41,208
that's being

4247
01:58:41,208 --> 01:58:41,916
attracted to that

4248
01:58:41,916 --> 01:58:44,000
area. So, so you

4249
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:44,666
don't so that's

4250
01:58:44,666 --> 01:58:45,458
just unsafe and

4251
01:58:45,458 --> 01:58:46,041
they kind of fall

4252
01:58:46,041 --> 01:58:46,416
on the same

4253
01:58:46,416 --> 01:58:47,583
lines, peers,

4254
01:58:48,166 --> 01:58:48,666
people are

4255
01:58:48,666 --> 01:58:49,125
actively fishing

4256
01:58:49,125 --> 01:58:50,666
all along those

4257
01:58:50,666 --> 01:58:51,583
peers, you don't

4258
01:58:51,583 --> 01:58:51,875
want to get

4259
01:58:51,875 --> 01:58:53,041
caught up in the

4260
01:58:53,041 --> 01:58:53,666
lines and also

4261
01:58:53,666 --> 01:58:54,583
there's so much

4262
01:58:54,583 --> 01:58:55,333
fish in the water

4263
01:58:55,333 --> 01:58:55,916
that again, it's

4264
01:58:55,916 --> 01:58:56,333
attracting

4265
01:58:56,333 --> 01:58:57,000
everything and

4266
01:58:57,000 --> 01:58:57,708
anything that air

4267
01:58:57,708 --> 01:58:58,333
to that region,

4268
01:58:58,625 --> 01:58:59,416
you don't want to

4269
01:58:59,416 --> 01:59:00,416
be there. And

4270
01:59:00,416 --> 01:59:01,000
then marinas,

4271
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:01,500
especially,

4272
01:59:01,750 --> 01:59:02,166
you know,

4273
01:59:02,208 --> 01:59:02,541
a lot of people

4274
01:59:02,541 --> 01:59:03,000
don't think,

4275
01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:03,541
well, people are

4276
01:59:03,541 --> 01:59:04,166
not fishing at

4277
01:59:04,166 --> 01:59:05,083
marinas, but a

4278
01:59:05,083 --> 01:59:05,666
lot of fishermen

4279
01:59:05,666 --> 01:59:06,208
come off their

4280
01:59:06,208 --> 01:59:07,041
boats and fillet

4281
01:59:07,041 --> 01:59:07,708
their fish and

4282
01:59:07,708 --> 01:59:08,125
throw in the

4283
01:59:08,125 --> 01:59:09,333
carcasses. And

4284
01:59:09,333 --> 01:59:09,958
because after

4285
01:59:09,958 --> 01:59:10,958
days and days of

4286
01:59:10,958 --> 01:59:12,166
this fish and

4287
01:59:12,166 --> 01:59:12,833
sharks and other

4288
01:59:12,833 --> 01:59:13,458
marine animals

4289
01:59:13,458 --> 01:59:14,333
realize this is

4290
01:59:14,333 --> 01:59:15,375
an area for easy

4291
01:59:15,375 --> 01:59:16,375
food. So they're

4292
01:59:16,375 --> 01:59:17,125
more likely to

4293
01:59:17,125 --> 01:59:17,791
hang out there

4294
01:59:17,791 --> 01:59:18,375
and be in that

4295
01:59:18,375 --> 01:59:19,208
area trying to

4296
01:59:19,208 --> 01:59:20,583
get free food. If

4297
01:59:20,583 --> 01:59:21,166
you are to get in

4298
01:59:21,166 --> 01:59:22,625
that water, they

4299
01:59:22,625 --> 01:59:24,083
when they hear at

4300
01:59:24,083 --> 01:59:24,750
splash, they're

4301
01:59:24,750 --> 01:59:25,041
not going to be

4302
01:59:25,041 --> 01:59:25,750
like, Oh, wait,

4303
01:59:25,750 --> 01:59:26,333
that's a person I

4304
01:59:26,333 --> 01:59:26,791
don't want. They

4305
01:59:26,791 --> 01:59:27,875
see that they're

4306
01:59:27,875 --> 01:59:28,833
expecting what

4307
01:59:28,833 --> 01:59:29,500
they've expected,

4308
01:59:29,500 --> 01:59:30,666
you know, every

4309
01:59:30,666 --> 01:59:31,375
day that it's a

4310
01:59:31,375 --> 01:59:32,000
fish carcass and

4311
01:59:32,000 --> 01:59:32,166
they can get in the water.

4312
01:59:32,166 --> 01:59:32,375
And they can eat

4313
01:59:32,375 --> 01:59:33,583
it. So you can,

4314
01:59:33,583 --> 01:59:34,083
you don't want to

4315
01:59:34,083 --> 01:59:34,958
put yourself in a

4316
01:59:34,958 --> 01:59:35,541
situation that

4317
01:59:35,541 --> 01:59:36,333
could lead to a

4318
01:59:36,333 --> 01:59:37,458
bad encounter.

4319
01:59:38,500 --> 01:59:39,541
And then again,

4320
01:59:39,541 --> 01:59:40,375
just like the

4321
01:59:40,375 --> 01:59:41,500
sandbars and one

4322
01:59:41,500 --> 01:59:42,000
that a lot of

4323
01:59:42,000 --> 01:59:42,541
people don't

4324
01:59:42,541 --> 01:59:43,458
realize is that

4325
01:59:43,458 --> 01:59:44,875
sandbars are not

4326
01:59:44,875 --> 01:59:45,625
a safe place to

4327
01:59:45,625 --> 01:59:46,500
be. You know, if

4328
01:59:46,500 --> 01:59:46,875
it's really

4329
01:59:46,875 --> 01:59:47,458
shallow and your

4330
01:59:47,458 --> 01:59:47,916
ankle deep and

4331
01:59:47,916 --> 01:59:48,416
you can see

4332
01:59:48,416 --> 01:59:48,791
everything around

4333
01:59:48,791 --> 01:59:49,458
you, that's fine.

4334
01:59:49,666 --> 01:59:50,500
But also getting

4335
01:59:50,500 --> 01:59:51,375
to that sandbar,

4336
01:59:51,375 --> 01:59:52,583
it usually drops

4337
01:59:52,583 --> 01:59:53,541
off and there's a

4338
01:59:53,541 --> 01:59:55,291
dip and the same

4339
01:59:55,291 --> 01:59:55,875
thing, it falls

4340
01:59:55,875 --> 01:59:56,916
off. And usually

4341
01:59:56,916 --> 01:59:57,708
in those channels

4342
01:59:57,708 --> 01:59:58,583
are a lot of bait

4343
01:59:58,583 --> 01:59:59,916
fish runs. And

4344
01:59:59,916 --> 02:00:00,291
what usually

4345
02:00:00,291 --> 02:00:01,041
follow bait fish,

4346
02:00:01,416 --> 02:00:01,916
larger fish,

4347
02:00:02,208 --> 02:00:02,791
and sharks.

4348
02:00:03,416 --> 02:00:03,958
Again, you don't

4349
02:00:03,958 --> 02:00:04,333
want to put

4350
02:00:04,333 --> 02:00:04,833
yourself in that

4351
02:00:04,833 --> 02:00:05,500
situation while

4352
02:00:05,500 --> 02:00:06,333
you are in the

4353
02:00:06,333 --> 02:00:07,416
middle of a bait

4354
02:00:07,416 --> 02:00:08,333
fish run while

4355
02:00:08,333 --> 02:00:08,708
something is

4356
02:00:08,708 --> 02:00:09,416
actively feeding.

4357
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:10,333
They're not

4358
02:00:10,333 --> 02:00:11,125
targeting you,

4359
02:00:11,125 --> 02:00:11,541
they're targeting

4360
02:00:11,541 --> 02:00:12,208
that fish, but

4361
02:00:12,208 --> 02:00:12,666
you are now

4362
02:00:12,666 --> 02:00:13,333
caught up in

4363
02:00:13,333 --> 02:00:14,000
that. And that's

4364
02:00:14,000 --> 02:00:14,333
usually when

4365
02:00:14,333 --> 02:00:14,875
those encounters

4366
02:00:14,875 --> 02:00:16,458
happen. So I

4367
02:00:16,458 --> 02:00:17,208
really wanted to

4368
02:00:17,208 --> 02:00:18,208
highlight these

4369
02:00:18,208 --> 02:00:19,666
examples and been

4370
02:00:19,666 --> 02:00:20,458
like, Hey, you

4371
02:00:20,458 --> 02:00:21,250
know, this is a

4372
02:00:21,250 --> 02:00:22,000
bad scenario. I'm

4373
02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:22,750
glad it was fake.

4374
02:00:22,750 --> 02:00:23,291
I'm glad she's

4375
02:00:23,291 --> 02:00:24,666
okay. But let's

4376
02:00:24,666 --> 02:00:25,416
put out some

4377
02:00:25,416 --> 02:00:26,500
reminders of when

4378
02:00:26,500 --> 02:00:26,833
you're in the

4379
02:00:26,833 --> 02:00:27,750
ocean, you are in

4380
02:00:27,750 --> 02:00:28,458
a new environment

4381
02:00:28,458 --> 02:00:29,208
and you have to

4382
02:00:29,208 --> 02:00:30,666
be aware of your

4383
02:00:30,666 --> 02:00:31,208
surroundings.

4384
02:00:31,208 --> 02:00:31,750
And also,

4385
02:00:32,208 --> 02:00:32,791
talk to local

4386
02:00:32,791 --> 02:00:33,500
people, a lot of

4387
02:00:33,500 --> 02:00:33,958
people that go

4388
02:00:33,958 --> 02:00:35,166
and travel, you

4389
02:00:35,166 --> 02:00:35,666
know, there are

4390
02:00:35,666 --> 02:00:36,166
certain areas I

4391
02:00:36,166 --> 02:00:36,625
tell you not to

4392
02:00:36,625 --> 02:00:37,375
swim because, you

4393
02:00:37,375 --> 02:00:37,916
know, again,

4394
02:00:37,916 --> 02:00:38,458
people could be

4395
02:00:38,458 --> 02:00:38,875
filleting

4396
02:00:38,875 --> 02:00:39,666
carcasses and,

4397
02:00:39,666 --> 02:00:40,041
you know, putting

4398
02:00:40,041 --> 02:00:40,458
these in the

4399
02:00:40,458 --> 02:00:41,000
water. There

4400
02:00:41,000 --> 02:00:41,666
could just be a

4401
02:00:41,666 --> 02:00:42,416
lot of just fish.

4402
02:00:42,416 --> 02:00:42,958
You just never

4403
02:00:42,958 --> 02:00:43,458
know. And you

4404
02:00:43,458 --> 02:00:43,958
want to make sure

4405
02:00:43,958 --> 02:00:44,250
when you're

4406
02:00:44,250 --> 02:00:44,875
traveling and

4407
02:00:44,875 --> 02:00:45,166
you're going

4408
02:00:45,166 --> 02:00:45,708
swimming in an

4409
02:00:45,708 --> 02:00:46,500
area that's not a

4410
02:00:46,500 --> 02:00:47,083
common swimming

4411
02:00:47,083 --> 02:00:47,833
area that you

4412
02:00:47,833 --> 02:00:48,666
know, that area

4413
02:00:48,666 --> 02:00:49,791
is okay. And

4414
02:00:49,791 --> 02:00:50,250
there's nothing

4415
02:00:50,250 --> 02:00:51,000
in that area that

4416
02:00:51,000 --> 02:00:52,791
could create a

4417
02:00:52,791 --> 02:00:53,458
scenario that

4418
02:00:53,458 --> 02:00:53,875
would be

4419
02:00:53,875 --> 02:00:55,791
negative. So I

4420
02:00:55,791 --> 02:00:56,333
just thought that

4421
02:00:56,333 --> 02:00:56,875
was a good time

4422
02:00:56,875 --> 02:00:57,375
to kind of bring

4423
02:00:57,375 --> 02:00:58,000
up these points.

4424
02:00:58,333 --> 02:00:59,541
And again, and I

4425
02:00:59,541 --> 02:01:00,500
was so happy that

4426
02:01:00,500 --> 02:01:01,541
those videos

4427
02:01:01,541 --> 02:01:02,125
actually,

4428
02:01:02,166 --> 02:01:03,791
did well. But it

4429
02:01:03,791 --> 02:01:04,458
was funny that

4430
02:01:04,458 --> 02:01:05,375
they took five

4431
02:01:05,375 --> 02:01:05,916
minutes to make

4432
02:01:05,916 --> 02:01:06,250
up just being

4433
02:01:06,250 --> 02:01:07,000
like, Hey, don't

4434
02:01:07,000 --> 02:01:07,916
do this, do this.

4435
02:01:08,291 --> 02:01:08,958
And you know, I'm

4436
02:01:08,958 --> 02:01:09,541
glad she's safe.

4437
02:01:09,541 --> 02:01:10,291
But just don't

4438
02:01:10,291 --> 02:01:10,583
wear a

4439
02:01:10,583 --> 02:01:11,083
sequin bikini.

4440
02:01:11,750 --> 02:01:14,333
That's just

4441
02:01:14,333 --> 02:01:14,958
that's just life

4442
02:01:14,958 --> 02:01:15,750
lesson here. Just

4443
02:01:15,750 --> 02:01:17,041
don't see in the

4444
02:01:17,041 --> 02:01:18,500
ocean. But that's

4445
02:01:18,500 --> 02:01:19,583
what I find so

4446
02:01:19,583 --> 02:01:20,375
ironic, I think

4447
02:01:20,375 --> 02:01:20,833
with a lot of

4448
02:01:20,833 --> 02:01:22,375
people who, when

4449
02:01:22,375 --> 02:01:23,250
we do stuff like

4450
02:01:23,250 --> 02:01:24,125
this, when we do

4451
02:01:24,458 --> 02:01:26,375
create content

4452
02:01:26,375 --> 02:01:27,291
and we're

4453
02:01:27,291 --> 02:01:27,875
scientists and we

4454
02:01:27,875 --> 02:01:28,458
want to prepare,

4455
02:01:28,458 --> 02:01:28,750
we want to make

4456
02:01:28,750 --> 02:01:29,333
sure that one,

4457
02:01:29,541 --> 02:01:30,166
we're factually

4458
02:01:30,166 --> 02:01:30,750
correct, we

4459
02:01:30,750 --> 02:01:31,541
double check, we

4460
02:01:31,541 --> 02:01:32,875
confirm. And then

4461
02:01:32,875 --> 02:01:33,375
we present

4462
02:01:33,375 --> 02:01:33,916
something that's

4463
02:01:33,916 --> 02:01:34,541
interesting. So

4464
02:01:34,541 --> 02:01:35,166
we spend a lot of

4465
02:01:35,166 --> 02:01:35,625
time putting

4466
02:01:35,625 --> 02:01:36,541
together videos,

4467
02:01:36,791 --> 02:01:37,375
whether they be

4468
02:01:37,375 --> 02:01:38,125
three minute

4469
02:01:38,125 --> 02:01:38,791
videos, 10 minute

4470
02:01:38,791 --> 02:01:39,625
videos, 20 minute

4471
02:01:39,625 --> 02:01:40,125
videos, whatever

4472
02:01:40,125 --> 02:01:40,791
that might be.

4473
02:01:41,208 --> 02:01:41,500
And then they

4474
02:01:41,500 --> 02:01:42,208
never really take

4475
02:01:42,208 --> 02:01:42,833
off the way we

4476
02:01:42,833 --> 02:01:43,375
hope that they

4477
02:01:43,375 --> 02:01:43,916
would. You know,

4478
02:01:43,916 --> 02:01:44,250
you might get

4479
02:01:44,250 --> 02:01:45,083
some views here.

4480
02:01:45,083 --> 02:01:45,333
You get

4481
02:01:45,333 --> 02:01:46,333
consistently good

4482
02:01:46,333 --> 02:01:47,083
amount of views.

4483
02:01:47,708 --> 02:01:48,125
But then every

4484
02:01:48,125 --> 02:01:48,666
once in a while,

4485
02:01:48,666 --> 02:01:49,166
you'll get one

4486
02:01:49,166 --> 02:01:49,666
that's just like,

4487
02:01:49,666 --> 02:01:50,125
Hey, like, I just

4488
02:01:50,125 --> 02:01:50,666
want to comment

4489
02:01:50,666 --> 02:01:51,666
on this. And then

4490
02:01:51,666 --> 02:01:52,250
I just want to

4491
02:01:52,250 --> 02:01:52,916
like, see what

4492
02:01:52,916 --> 02:01:53,541
happens. And all

4493
02:01:53,541 --> 02:01:54,250
of a sudden, 40K.

4494
02:01:54,583 --> 02:01:55,416
You know, views

4495
02:01:55,416 --> 02:01:56,000
all of it. You're

4496
02:01:56,000 --> 02:01:57,083
like, what are

4497
02:01:57,083 --> 02:01:58,208
you kidding me? I

4498
02:01:58,208 --> 02:01:58,916
spent five

4499
02:01:58,916 --> 02:01:59,333
minutes talking

4500
02:01:59,333 --> 02:01:59,833
about that. But I

4501
02:01:59,833 --> 02:02:00,291
think the thing

4502
02:02:00,291 --> 02:02:02,000
is, is like, what

4503
02:02:02,000 --> 02:02:02,291
we don't

4504
02:02:02,291 --> 02:02:02,708
understand

4505
02:02:02,708 --> 02:02:03,375
sometimes a

4506
02:02:03,375 --> 02:02:04,333
scientist is that

4507
02:02:04,333 --> 02:02:04,666
and even

4508
02:02:04,666 --> 02:02:05,166
communicators

4509
02:02:05,166 --> 02:02:05,833
that people just

4510
02:02:05,833 --> 02:02:06,666
want, like

4511
02:02:06,666 --> 02:02:07,750
relevant content

4512
02:02:07,750 --> 02:02:08,750
that's like you.

4513
02:02:09,250 --> 02:02:10,166
That's that's

4514
02:02:10,166 --> 02:02:10,458
different. But

4515
02:02:10,458 --> 02:02:11,375
it's also just

4516
02:02:11,375 --> 02:02:12,166
simple, simple

4517
02:02:12,166 --> 02:02:12,666
things that we

4518
02:02:12,666 --> 02:02:13,375
need to say,

4519
02:02:13,375 --> 02:02:13,958
like, you know,

4520
02:02:14,125 --> 02:02:14,750
you and I, if we

4521
02:02:14,750 --> 02:02:15,375
had talked about

4522
02:02:15,375 --> 02:02:16,375
this, just the

4523
02:02:16,375 --> 02:02:16,875
two of us just

4524
02:02:16,875 --> 02:02:17,333
being like, or

4525
02:02:17,333 --> 02:02:17,916
other scientists

4526
02:02:17,916 --> 02:02:18,416
around just been

4527
02:02:18,416 --> 02:02:18,958
like, yeah, that

4528
02:02:18,958 --> 02:02:20,333
was not what I

4529
02:02:20,333 --> 02:02:20,541
would have done.

4530
02:02:21,041 --> 02:02:21,625
You know, I would

4531
02:02:21,625 --> 02:02:22,541
not have worn

4532
02:02:22,541 --> 02:02:23,375
like a swim

4533
02:02:23,375 --> 02:02:23,958
trunks that were

4534
02:02:23,958 --> 02:02:24,750
sequence, like

4535
02:02:24,750 --> 02:02:25,583
probably not the

4536
02:02:25,583 --> 02:02:26,833
best idea. But to

4537
02:02:26,833 --> 02:02:27,416
some people, like

4538
02:02:27,416 --> 02:02:28,000
they want to know

4539
02:02:28,000 --> 02:02:28,541
more about like

4540
02:02:28,541 --> 02:02:29,625
why it's not a

4541
02:02:29,625 --> 02:02:30,416
good like what,

4542
02:02:30,416 --> 02:02:30,916
like what's the

4543
02:02:30,916 --> 02:02:31,500
problem with

4544
02:02:31,500 --> 02:02:32,291
that, you know,

4545
02:02:32,625 --> 02:02:33,291
other than can't

4546
02:02:33,291 --> 02:02:33,541
be very

4547
02:02:33,541 --> 02:02:34,125
comfortable, to

4548
02:02:34,125 --> 02:02:34,750
be honest, like a

4549
02:02:34,750 --> 02:02:35,708
sequence bikini

4550
02:02:35,708 --> 02:02:36,541
or any kind of

4551
02:02:36,541 --> 02:02:36,791
being sweet that sequence.

4552
02:02:36,833 --> 02:02:39,166
And so like, you

4553
02:02:39,166 --> 02:02:40,083
just, you get

4554
02:02:40,083 --> 02:02:40,625
that like you

4555
02:02:40,625 --> 02:02:41,500
start and then

4556
02:02:41,500 --> 02:02:41,791
all of a sudden

4557
02:02:41,791 --> 02:02:42,166
people are like,

4558
02:02:42,166 --> 02:02:42,958
Oh, that's simple

4559
02:02:42,958 --> 02:02:43,291
information.

4560
02:02:43,666 --> 02:02:44,333
Okay, I can

4561
02:02:44,333 --> 02:02:45,291
digest that, you

4562
02:02:45,291 --> 02:02:46,041
know, no jargon,

4563
02:02:46,333 --> 02:02:47,250
no facts, it's

4564
02:02:47,250 --> 02:02:48,541
just, hey, just

4565
02:02:48,541 --> 02:02:49,291
probably not a

4566
02:02:49,291 --> 02:02:50,333
better good idea,

4567
02:02:50,333 --> 02:02:51,000
set it in a nice

4568
02:02:51,000 --> 02:02:51,875
way. You know,

4569
02:02:51,875 --> 02:02:52,791
you're very calm,

4570
02:02:52,791 --> 02:02:53,000
you had your

4571
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:53,875
coffee with you.

4572
02:02:54,208 --> 02:02:54,625
I think that was

4573
02:02:54,625 --> 02:02:55,416
coffee, coffee

4574
02:02:55,416 --> 02:02:56,166
mug with you.

4575
02:02:56,166 --> 02:02:56,750
You're just like,

4576
02:02:57,000 --> 02:02:57,333
Okay, I'm just gonna, I got a comment on this.

4577
02:02:57,375 --> 02:03:00,000
Like it was, it

4578
02:03:00,000 --> 02:03:01,541
was a really like

4579
02:03:01,541 --> 02:03:02,208
simplistic,

4580
02:03:02,208 --> 02:03:03,791
informative,

4581
02:03:03,791 --> 02:03:04,666
entertaining kind

4582
02:03:04,666 --> 02:03:06,416
of video that I

4583
02:03:06,416 --> 02:03:06,958
think people just

4584
02:03:06,958 --> 02:03:08,000
get, get behind,

4585
02:03:08,000 --> 02:03:08,541
right? Sometimes

4586
02:03:08,541 --> 02:03:09,500
I think we go for

4587
02:03:09,500 --> 02:03:10,500
so complicated

4588
02:03:10,500 --> 02:03:11,583
that this, the

4589
02:03:11,583 --> 02:03:12,291
simple videos are

4590
02:03:12,291 --> 02:03:13,041
necessary to

4591
02:03:13,041 --> 02:03:15,000
really, I guess

4592
02:03:15,000 --> 02:03:15,875
like, because he

4593
02:03:15,875 --> 02:03:16,750
had a good story

4594
02:03:16,750 --> 02:03:17,791
to tell too, but

4595
02:03:17,791 --> 02:03:18,166
it's like, it

4596
02:03:18,166 --> 02:03:19,125
just hits people,

4597
02:03:19,416 --> 02:03:19,916
you know, that

4598
02:03:19,916 --> 02:03:20,666
emotion. I just

4599
02:03:20,666 --> 02:03:21,833
love, love that

4600
02:03:21,833 --> 02:03:22,791
aspect of it.

4601
02:03:22,791 --> 02:03:23,458
Right. You just,

4602
02:03:23,458 --> 02:03:23,875
you just never

4603
02:03:23,875 --> 02:03:24,416
know what's going

4604
02:03:24,416 --> 02:03:25,375
to go, you know,

4605
02:03:25,375 --> 02:03:25,750
especially in

4606
02:03:25,750 --> 02:03:26,458
TikTok, you just,

4607
02:03:26,750 --> 02:03:27,333
it can take off. He's a great person. He's a great person. He's a great person. He's a great person. You know, and I think that's what I want to say that I think like, you know, you're going to
be very, very nice, very nice. I love it. It's a really, very, very nice. I think it's a great place to see people. You know, I think it's a very nice place to be, you know, you're going to

4608
02:03:27,333 --> 02:03:27,958
within like

4609
02:03:27,958 --> 02:03:28,583
minutes and

4610
02:03:28,583 --> 02:03:28,875
you're just like,

4611
02:03:28,875 --> 02:03:29,958
"What the heck

4612
02:03:29,958 --> 02:03:31,083
happened?" It's

4613
02:03:31,083 --> 02:03:32,000
awesome. But I

4614
02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:32,500
love how

4615
02:03:32,500 --> 02:03:33,083
you did that

4616
02:03:33,083 --> 02:03:34,791
story and it was

4617
02:03:34,791 --> 02:03:36,041
a number part and

4618
02:03:36,041 --> 02:03:36,958
it was just, it

4619
02:03:36,958 --> 02:03:37,833
got good views

4620
02:03:37,833 --> 02:03:38,416
all the way

4621
02:03:38,416 --> 02:03:38,916
through.

4622
02:03:38,916 --> 02:03:39,708
And I just love

4623
02:03:39,708 --> 02:03:41,375
that aspect. So

4624
02:03:41,375 --> 02:03:42,750
as we kind of

4625
02:03:42,750 --> 02:03:43,416
wrap up here, the

4626
02:03:43,416 --> 02:03:43,541
science

4627
02:03:43,541 --> 02:03:44,416
communication, I

4628
02:03:44,416 --> 02:03:44,958
feel like

4629
02:03:44,958 --> 02:03:45,333
it's never going

4630
02:03:45,333 --> 02:03:45,958
to go away from

4631
02:03:45,958 --> 02:03:46,333
you. Something

4632
02:03:46,333 --> 02:03:47,083
that you've

4633
02:03:47,083 --> 02:03:48,166
really done. What

4634
02:03:48,166 --> 02:03:48,666
do you

4635
02:03:48,666 --> 02:03:49,666
want to do?

4636
02:03:50,500 --> 02:03:51,083
Like this is kind

4637
02:03:51,083 --> 02:03:51,500
of the, you're

4638
02:03:51,500 --> 02:03:52,000
just scratching

4639
02:03:52,000 --> 02:03:52,750
the surface right

4640
02:03:52,750 --> 02:03:54,333
now, I feel. Do

4641
02:03:54,333 --> 02:03:54,750
you have any

4642
02:03:54,791 --> 02:03:55,708
plans for science

4643
02:03:55,708 --> 02:03:56,208
communication?

4644
02:03:56,208 --> 02:03:56,458
Something that

4645
02:03:56,458 --> 02:03:57,333
you want to be

4646
02:03:57,333 --> 02:03:57,833
able to

4647
02:03:57,833 --> 02:03:59,083
accomplish, try

4648
02:03:59,083 --> 02:03:59,625
to manifest

4649
02:03:59,625 --> 02:04:00,333
and put it out

4650
02:04:00,333 --> 02:04:02,000
there for us. So

4651
02:04:02,000 --> 02:04:02,791
a few things.

4652
02:04:03,583 --> 02:04:04,708
One, looking at a

4653
02:04:04,708 --> 02:04:05,500
PhD to kind of

4654
02:04:05,500 --> 02:04:05,916
continue

4655
02:04:05,916 --> 02:04:06,833
to, you know,

4656
02:04:06,833 --> 02:04:08,000
to go more into

4657
02:04:08,000 --> 02:04:08,625
science and I

4658
02:04:08,625 --> 02:04:09,083
would love to go

4659
02:04:09,083 --> 02:04:11,625
into academia to,

4660
02:04:11,625 --> 02:04:12,541
again, to kind of

4661
02:04:12,541 --> 02:04:13,250
continue that

4662
02:04:13,250 --> 02:04:13,500
science

4663
02:04:13,500 --> 02:04:14,166
communication,

4664
02:04:14,166 --> 02:04:15,083
you know, in the

4665
02:04:15,083 --> 02:04:15,625
college

4666
02:04:15,625 --> 02:04:17,666
classroom. And I

4667
02:04:17,666 --> 02:04:18,291
also would like

4668
02:04:18,291 --> 02:04:19,000
to be able to

4669
02:04:19,750 --> 02:04:20,708
film my journey

4670
02:04:20,708 --> 02:04:21,625
and also like

4671
02:04:21,625 --> 02:04:22,208
with this

4672
02:04:22,208 --> 02:04:22,750
podcast, you

4673
02:04:22,750 --> 02:04:23,791
know, with the

4674
02:04:23,791 --> 02:04:24,208
other people

4675
02:04:24,208 --> 02:04:24,416
you've

4676
02:04:24,416 --> 02:04:24,750
interviewed,

4677
02:04:25,041 --> 02:04:25,333
you know, you

4678
02:04:25,333 --> 02:04:25,875
show their

4679
02:04:25,875 --> 02:04:26,833
journey and

4680
02:04:26,833 --> 02:04:27,791
everyone's are

4681
02:04:27,791 --> 02:04:29,083
either different,

4682
02:04:29,083 --> 02:04:29,333
but there's

4683
02:04:29,333 --> 02:04:29,750
always so

4684
02:04:29,750 --> 02:04:29,916
there's

4685
02:04:29,916 --> 02:04:30,500
similarities and

4686
02:04:30,500 --> 02:04:31,208
people might be

4687
02:04:31,208 --> 02:04:31,666
able to connect

4688
02:04:31,666 --> 02:04:32,000
and be like,

4689
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:33,208
"Wow, okay, you

4690
02:04:33,208 --> 02:04:33,958
know, I didn't

4691
02:04:33,958 --> 02:04:34,541
get a job right

4692
02:04:34,541 --> 02:04:35,083
away and neither

4693
02:04:35,083 --> 02:04:35,708
did she, but

4694
02:04:35,708 --> 02:04:36,708
she's doing this.

4695
02:04:36,708 --> 02:04:37,000
So, you know,

4696
02:04:37,000 --> 02:04:37,125
it's

4697
02:04:37,125 --> 02:04:38,000
possible for me."

4698
02:04:38,666 --> 02:04:39,333
So there's that

4699
02:04:39,333 --> 02:04:39,958
aspect. So

4700
02:04:39,958 --> 02:04:40,958
definitely a PhD

4701
02:04:40,958 --> 02:04:42,041
and being able to

4702
02:04:42,041 --> 02:04:43,000
show the journey

4703
02:04:43,000 --> 02:04:43,458
and show the

4704
02:04:43,458 --> 02:04:43,916
research and

4705
02:04:43,916 --> 02:04:45,083
again, just show

4706
02:04:45,083 --> 02:04:45,583
research that

4707
02:04:45,583 --> 02:04:46,375
most people might

4708
02:04:46,375 --> 02:04:47,000
not ever get a

4709
02:04:47,000 --> 02:04:47,375
chance to

4710
02:04:47,375 --> 02:04:47,708
see or didn't

4711
02:04:47,750 --> 02:04:48,708
even know existed

4712
02:04:48,708 --> 02:04:49,666
and get people

4713
02:04:49,666 --> 02:04:51,916
excited. But

4714
02:04:51,916 --> 02:04:53,250
with, in the

4715
02:04:53,250 --> 02:04:54,041
meantime, I mean,

4716
02:04:54,041 --> 02:04:54,416
the PhD

4717
02:04:54,416 --> 02:04:56,166
search is a

4718
02:04:56,291 --> 02:04:57,208
daunting one.

4719
02:04:57,208 --> 02:04:57,833
I've been working

4720
02:04:57,833 --> 02:04:59,375
for hours on top

4721
02:04:59,375 --> 02:04:59,750
of everything

4722
02:04:59,750 --> 02:05:00,458
else. I was, you

4723
02:05:00,458 --> 02:05:00,750
know, in

4724
02:05:00,750 --> 02:05:01,333
between, I'm

4725
02:05:01,333 --> 02:05:02,083
like looking at

4726
02:05:02,083 --> 02:05:03,083
universities and,

4727
02:05:03,083 --> 02:05:03,500
you know, looking

4728
02:05:03,500 --> 02:05:03,916
at finding

4729
02:05:03,916 --> 02:05:04,583
professors, but

4730
02:05:04,583 --> 02:05:05,291
it's, it normally

4731
02:05:05,416 --> 02:05:06,041
tells you how

4732
02:05:06,041 --> 02:05:06,750
hard it is to

4733
02:05:06,750 --> 02:05:07,333
really find

4734
02:05:07,333 --> 02:05:08,500
someone that

4735
02:05:08,500 --> 02:05:09,500
matches your

4736
02:05:09,500 --> 02:05:10,500
research

4737
02:05:10,500 --> 02:05:11,041
interests.

4738
02:05:11,625 --> 02:05:12,083
Yeah. That

4739
02:05:12,125 --> 02:05:13,541
also will give

4740
02:05:13,541 --> 02:05:14,208
you a chance to

4741
02:05:14,208 --> 02:05:14,750
broaden your

4742
02:05:14,750 --> 02:05:16,458
skill set and get

4743
02:05:16,458 --> 02:05:17,291
you a chance to,

4744
02:05:17,291 --> 02:05:17,583
you know,

4745
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:18,250
work with

4746
02:05:18,250 --> 02:05:18,541
something that

4747
02:05:18,541 --> 02:05:18,791
you may have

4748
02:05:18,791 --> 02:05:19,958
worked before or,

4749
02:05:19,958 --> 02:05:20,333
you know,

4750
02:05:20,500 --> 02:05:21,000
continue working

4751
02:05:21,000 --> 02:05:21,750
with what you're

4752
02:05:21,750 --> 02:05:21,958
working

4753
02:05:21,958 --> 02:05:22,416
with. But,

4754
02:05:22,541 --> 02:05:23,583
but, you know, I,

4755
02:05:23,583 --> 02:05:24,708
with my, with my

4756
02:05:24,708 --> 02:05:25,083
white sharks

4757
02:05:25,083 --> 02:05:25,625
stuff, like I

4758
02:05:25,625 --> 02:05:26,166
don't always have

4759
02:05:26,166 --> 02:05:26,625
to do white

4760
02:05:26,625 --> 02:05:27,125
sharks. I

4761
02:05:27,125 --> 02:05:27,541
like the

4762
02:05:27,541 --> 02:05:28,083
shark stuff, but

4763
02:05:28,083 --> 02:05:28,750
I would like to,

4764
02:05:28,750 --> 02:05:29,750
you know, expand

4765
02:05:29,750 --> 02:05:30,208
on it, work

4766
02:05:30,208 --> 02:05:30,958
another species

4767
02:05:30,958 --> 02:05:32,166
or, you know, I

4768
02:05:32,166 --> 02:05:32,916
like the tagging

4769
02:05:32,916 --> 02:05:33,041
and

4770
02:05:33,041 --> 02:05:33,833
telemetry stuff.

4771
02:05:34,125 --> 02:05:35,000
So maybe continue

4772
02:05:35,000 --> 02:05:35,541
that with

4773
02:05:35,541 --> 02:05:35,833
something

4774
02:05:35,833 --> 02:05:36,500
different and

4775
02:05:36,500 --> 02:05:37,333
then just hone in

4776
02:05:37,333 --> 02:05:38,375
the skill set,

4777
02:05:38,375 --> 02:05:39,416
but use it for,

4778
02:05:39,416 --> 02:05:39,541
you know,

4779
02:05:39,583 --> 02:05:40,333
variety of

4780
02:05:40,333 --> 02:05:41,208
animals and I can

4781
02:05:41,208 --> 02:05:41,625
learn about

4782
02:05:41,625 --> 02:05:41,916
different

4783
02:05:41,916 --> 02:05:42,666
behaviors. So

4784
02:05:42,666 --> 02:05:45,500
there's that. But

4785
02:05:45,500 --> 02:05:46,208
in the meantime,

4786
02:05:46,208 --> 02:05:47,958
I'm up for an

4787
02:05:47,958 --> 02:05:48,916
election. So in

4788
02:05:48,916 --> 02:05:50,375
the, in Florida,

4789
02:05:50,375 --> 02:05:51,291
we have Florida

4790
02:05:51,291 --> 02:05:52,000
Marine Science

4791
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:52,458
Educators

4792
02:05:52,458 --> 02:05:53,708
Association. So

4793
02:05:53,708 --> 02:05:54,500
it's an, it's an

4794
02:05:54,500 --> 02:05:55,708
association for

4795
02:05:55,708 --> 02:05:56,541
all the educators

4796
02:05:56,541 --> 02:05:57,083
that teach marine

4797
02:05:57,083 --> 02:05:57,666
science. I mean,

4798
02:05:57,666 --> 02:05:58,416
things for all

4799
02:05:58,416 --> 02:05:59,083
levels. I think

4800
02:05:59,083 --> 02:05:59,833
primarily it's

4801
02:05:59,833 --> 02:06:00,541
more like middle

4802
02:06:00,541 --> 02:06:00,916
school and high

4803
02:06:00,916 --> 02:06:01,500
school teachers

4804
02:06:01,500 --> 02:06:02,833
in it. Yeah. But

4805
02:06:02,833 --> 02:06:03,500
I'm up for the

4806
02:06:03,500 --> 02:06:03,875
Northeast

4807
02:06:03,916 --> 02:06:04,500
Regional Director

4808
02:06:04,500 --> 02:06:05,208
position. And I

4809
02:06:05,208 --> 02:06:05,833
feel like I have

4810
02:06:05,833 --> 02:06:06,333
a pretty good

4811
02:06:06,333 --> 02:06:06,750
chance because

4812
02:06:06,750 --> 02:06:07,583
I'm the only

4813
02:06:07,583 --> 02:06:08,500
person on the

4814
02:06:08,500 --> 02:06:09,250
ballot for that.

4815
02:06:09,250 --> 02:06:10,291
So I'm so far,

4816
02:06:10,666 --> 02:06:11,333
nobody else, but

4817
02:06:11,333 --> 02:06:12,000
we just get to

4818
02:06:12,000 --> 02:06:13,541
go. So, I mean, I

4819
02:06:13,541 --> 02:06:13,666
think there's no

4820
02:06:13,666 --> 02:06:14,208
one else running

4821
02:06:14,208 --> 02:06:14,875
up against me. So

4822
02:06:14,875 --> 02:06:15,416
I think I have a

4823
02:06:15,416 --> 02:06:15,750
pretty good

4824
02:06:15,750 --> 02:06:17,458
chance. Yeah. But

4825
02:06:17,458 --> 02:06:18,875
a friend of mine,

4826
02:06:19,375 --> 02:06:19,916
Chelsea Shaw,

4827
02:06:20,166 --> 02:06:20,500
she's the

4828
02:06:20,500 --> 02:06:21,125
President-elect.

4829
02:06:21,125 --> 02:06:21,875
So she's starting

4830
02:06:21,875 --> 02:06:23,166
this, this coming

4831
02:06:23,166 --> 02:06:25,625
year. She reached

4832
02:06:25,625 --> 02:06:26,041
out to me. We

4833
02:06:26,041 --> 02:06:26,583
both had worked

4834
02:06:26,583 --> 02:06:27,125
together in the

4835
02:06:27,125 --> 02:06:28,333
past. And she'd

4836
02:06:28,333 --> 02:06:29,000
asked me if I

4837
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:29,458
wanted to be a

4838
02:06:29,458 --> 02:06:30,000
part of this.

4839
02:06:30,375 --> 02:06:30,875
And, you know,

4840
02:06:30,875 --> 02:06:31,333
part of me was a

4841
02:06:31,333 --> 02:06:31,625
little nervous

4842
02:06:31,625 --> 02:06:32,333
being like, do I

4843
02:06:32,333 --> 02:06:32,666
add something

4844
02:06:32,666 --> 02:06:33,541
else to my plate?

4845
02:06:33,541 --> 02:06:35,666
Yeah. But it's

4846
02:06:35,666 --> 02:06:36,416
education. And

4847
02:06:36,416 --> 02:06:37,166
I'm like, I can

4848
02:06:37,166 --> 02:06:37,666
spin this

4849
02:06:37,666 --> 02:06:38,583
into my TikTok.

4850
02:06:38,625 --> 02:06:39,333
And I already do

4851
02:06:39,333 --> 02:06:39,791
a lot of

4852
02:06:39,791 --> 02:06:40,291
education

4853
02:06:40,291 --> 02:06:40,958
outreach events

4854
02:06:40,958 --> 02:06:41,750
personally,

4855
02:06:42,208 --> 02:06:43,208
myself. So I was

4856
02:06:43,208 --> 02:06:43,833
like, this will

4857
02:06:43,833 --> 02:06:44,333
just be an

4858
02:06:44,333 --> 02:06:45,083
extension of that

4859
02:06:45,083 --> 02:06:45,708
and kind of give

4860
02:06:45,708 --> 02:06:47,625
me more chances

4861
02:06:47,625 --> 02:06:49,250
or, you know, be

4862
02:06:49,250 --> 02:06:50,166
able to reach a

4863
02:06:50,166 --> 02:06:51,208
bigger audience

4864
02:06:51,208 --> 02:06:52,041
in the educator

4865
02:06:52,041 --> 02:06:54,291
circle. And so

4866
02:06:54,291 --> 02:06:55,000
they just

4867
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:55,750
basically, I will

4868
02:06:55,750 --> 02:06:56,458
be helping

4869
02:06:56,458 --> 02:06:57,541
facilitate events

4870
02:06:57,541 --> 02:06:58,250
in the area,

4871
02:06:58,708 --> 02:06:59,125
putting out

4872
02:06:59,125 --> 02:06:59,958
newsletters about

4873
02:06:59,958 --> 02:07:00,625
events that are

4874
02:07:00,666 --> 02:07:01,125
retained in

4875
02:07:01,125 --> 02:07:01,833
marine science or

4876
02:07:01,833 --> 02:07:02,583
education in the

4877
02:07:02,583 --> 02:07:03,541
area, you know,

4878
02:07:03,541 --> 02:07:04,083
facilitating

4879
02:07:04,083 --> 02:07:06,625
conferences or

4880
02:07:06,625 --> 02:07:07,125
just group

4881
02:07:07,125 --> 02:07:07,750
meetups to make

4882
02:07:07,750 --> 02:07:08,125
sure that you

4883
02:07:08,125 --> 02:07:08,875
know, anyone in

4884
02:07:08,875 --> 02:07:10,291
the area. And

4885
02:07:10,291 --> 02:07:12,000
then it also kind

4886
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:12,833
of helps me in a

4887
02:07:12,833 --> 02:07:13,458
way to have more

4888
02:07:13,458 --> 02:07:14,458
of a board and

4889
02:07:14,458 --> 02:07:15,166
leadership role

4890
02:07:15,166 --> 02:07:16,541
that can, again,

4891
02:07:16,916 --> 02:07:17,458
get me new

4892
02:07:17,458 --> 02:07:18,333
experiences in

4893
02:07:18,333 --> 02:07:19,708
that. So that's

4894
02:07:19,708 --> 02:07:20,750
kind of like my,

4895
02:07:20,958 --> 02:07:22,041
my short term and

4896
02:07:22,041 --> 02:07:23,625
long term goals

4897
02:07:23,625 --> 02:07:24,583
and what's

4898
02:07:24,583 --> 02:07:25,125
currently kind of

4899
02:07:25,125 --> 02:07:25,750
going on to

4900
02:07:25,750 --> 02:07:26,750
continue this. So

4901
02:07:26,750 --> 02:07:28,250
even though I'm a

4902
02:07:28,250 --> 02:07:29,166
researcher, the

4903
02:07:29,166 --> 02:07:30,041
education part,

4904
02:07:30,041 --> 02:07:30,541
obviously, is

4905
02:07:30,583 --> 02:07:31,166
so important to

4906
02:07:31,166 --> 02:07:32,208
me. So this

4907
02:07:32,208 --> 02:07:33,125
educator

4908
02:07:33,125 --> 02:07:34,083
association kind

4909
02:07:34,083 --> 02:07:34,708
of gives me that

4910
02:07:34,708 --> 02:07:36,375
chance to do it

4911
02:07:36,375 --> 02:07:38,500
on a bigger and

4912
02:07:38,500 --> 02:07:39,083
again, at a

4913
02:07:39,083 --> 02:07:39,541
professional

4914
02:07:39,541 --> 02:07:40,750
level, on top of

4915
02:07:40,750 --> 02:07:41,291
just the fun

4916
02:07:41,291 --> 02:07:42,875
TikToks. But I

4917
02:07:42,875 --> 02:07:43,958
can also use my

4918
02:07:43,958 --> 02:07:45,041
TikToks in this

4919
02:07:45,041 --> 02:07:46,208
and promote both

4920
02:07:46,208 --> 02:07:47,000
the association

4921
02:07:47,000 --> 02:07:49,166
and just talk

4922
02:07:49,166 --> 02:07:50,000
about everything.

4923
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:50,375
And I think

4924
02:07:50,375 --> 02:07:50,916
everything is so

4925
02:07:50,916 --> 02:07:51,625
linked together

4926
02:07:51,625 --> 02:07:53,333
that I, I feel

4927
02:07:53,333 --> 02:07:54,000
like this was a

4928
02:07:54,000 --> 02:07:55,250
good move. And I

4929
02:07:55,250 --> 02:07:56,166
hope that people

4930
02:07:56,166 --> 02:07:57,791
can benefit from

4931
02:07:57,791 --> 02:07:58,375
this. And I hope

4932
02:07:58,375 --> 02:07:59,000
that I can bring

4933
02:07:59,000 --> 02:07:59,666
something new to

4934
02:07:59,666 --> 02:08:00,166
the table.

4935
02:08:00,791 --> 02:08:01,750
And that they,

4936
02:08:02,083 --> 02:08:02,750
you know, I can

4937
02:08:02,750 --> 02:08:04,000
open the doors

4938
02:08:04,000 --> 02:08:04,541
for some people

4939
02:08:04,541 --> 02:08:05,291
or get people

4940
02:08:05,291 --> 02:08:05,791
together that are

4941
02:08:05,791 --> 02:08:06,458
like minded and

4942
02:08:06,458 --> 02:08:07,291
making, you know,

4943
02:08:07,291 --> 02:08:08,416
again, help the

4944
02:08:08,416 --> 02:08:09,000
Northeast Florida

4945
02:08:09,000 --> 02:08:09,625
portion, you

4946
02:08:09,625 --> 02:08:10,250
know, of Florida

4947
02:08:10,250 --> 02:08:11,000
to get just

4948
02:08:11,000 --> 02:08:11,958
excited about

4949
02:08:11,958 --> 02:08:12,666
marine science

4950
02:08:12,666 --> 02:08:13,291
and get more

4951
02:08:13,291 --> 02:08:14,041
people involved.

4952
02:08:14,666 --> 02:08:15,708
I love it. I

4953
02:08:15,708 --> 02:08:16,375
agree with you. I

4954
02:08:16,375 --> 02:08:16,583
think it's

4955
02:08:16,583 --> 02:08:17,291
working. I think

4956
02:08:17,291 --> 02:08:17,916
you're doing it

4957
02:08:17,916 --> 02:08:18,500
and you're

4958
02:08:18,500 --> 02:08:19,208
getting bigger

4959
02:08:19,208 --> 02:08:19,541
and bigger

4960
02:08:19,541 --> 02:08:20,708
things. And I

4961
02:08:20,708 --> 02:08:21,666
just love it. You

4962
02:08:21,666 --> 02:08:22,958
know, this has

4963
02:08:22,958 --> 02:08:23,583
been awesome to

4964
02:08:23,583 --> 02:08:24,000
have you on the

4965
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:25,041
podcast. This is

4966
02:08:25,041 --> 02:08:25,458
the first

4967
02:08:25,458 --> 02:08:26,125
definitely not

4968
02:08:26,125 --> 02:08:26,791
last time I'd

4969
02:08:26,791 --> 02:08:27,250
like to have you

4970
02:08:27,250 --> 02:08:27,958
on the podcast.

4971
02:08:27,958 --> 02:08:28,375
I'd love to have

4972
02:08:28,375 --> 02:08:28,708
you back.

4973
02:08:28,750 --> 02:08:29,625
And as you do

4974
02:08:29,625 --> 02:08:30,500
more research, as

4975
02:08:30,500 --> 02:08:31,166
you do more

4976
02:08:31,166 --> 02:08:31,708
science

4977
02:08:31,708 --> 02:08:32,291
communication,

4978
02:08:32,500 --> 02:08:32,958
whether that be

4979
02:08:32,958 --> 02:08:33,708
through TikToks,

4980
02:08:33,708 --> 02:08:34,125
whether it be

4981
02:08:34,125 --> 02:08:34,708
through like a

4982
02:08:34,708 --> 02:08:35,750
regional area and

4983
02:08:35,750 --> 02:08:36,458
having influence

4984
02:08:36,458 --> 02:08:37,625
on how people,

4985
02:08:37,916 --> 02:08:38,291
how kids are

4986
02:08:38,291 --> 02:08:39,375
being educated. I

4987
02:08:39,375 --> 02:08:39,708
think it's

4988
02:08:39,708 --> 02:08:41,041
wonderful to be

4989
02:08:41,041 --> 02:08:42,000
part of all

4990
02:08:42,000 --> 02:08:42,541
that aspect.

4991
02:08:42,541 --> 02:08:42,875
Because I think

4992
02:08:42,875 --> 02:08:44,125
as as scientists,

4993
02:08:44,125 --> 02:08:45,208
we have this this

4994
02:08:45,208 --> 02:08:45,791
responsibility,

4995
02:08:45,791 --> 02:08:46,666
not only to do

4996
02:08:46,666 --> 02:08:47,208
really good

4997
02:08:47,208 --> 02:08:47,750
research and

4998
02:08:47,750 --> 02:08:48,166
really good

4999
02:08:48,166 --> 02:08:48,708
science and

5000
02:08:48,708 --> 02:08:49,750
conservation, we

5001
02:08:49,750 --> 02:08:50,458
also have that

5002
02:08:50,458 --> 02:08:51,083
ability with part

5003
02:08:51,083 --> 02:08:51,291
of the

5004
02:08:51,291 --> 02:08:51,958
conservation is

5005
02:08:51,958 --> 02:08:52,666
to really connect

5006
02:08:52,666 --> 02:08:53,208
with people.

5007
02:08:53,208 --> 02:08:53,500
And I think

5008
02:08:53,500 --> 02:08:54,083
you're doing that

5009
02:08:54,083 --> 02:08:54,875
in a fantastic

5010
02:08:54,875 --> 02:08:55,833
way. It's

5011
02:08:55,833 --> 02:08:56,125
obviously

5012
02:08:56,125 --> 02:08:57,041
working, whether

5013
02:08:57,041 --> 02:08:57,500
you're talking

5014
02:08:57,500 --> 02:08:58,208
about sequenced

5015
02:08:58,208 --> 02:08:59,041
bikinis or you're

5016
02:08:59,041 --> 02:08:59,625
talking about

5017
02:08:59,625 --> 02:09:00,750
evolutionary

5018
02:09:00,750 --> 02:09:02,458
advantages that

5019
02:09:02,458 --> 02:09:03,625
fish can have. I

5020
02:09:03,625 --> 02:09:04,375
just love it. I

5021
02:09:04,375 --> 02:09:05,041
want to thank you

5022
02:09:05,041 --> 02:09:05,541
so much for

5023
02:09:05,541 --> 02:09:06,166
coming on

5024
02:09:06,166 --> 02:09:06,541
the show.

5025
02:09:06,958 --> 02:09:08,083
And, you know, if

5026
02:09:08,083 --> 02:09:08,708
people want to

5027
02:09:08,708 --> 02:09:09,291
get a hold of

5028
02:09:09,291 --> 02:09:10,625
you, your TikTok

5029
02:09:10,625 --> 02:09:12,625
is at Ken dot

5030
02:09:12,625 --> 02:09:13,916
C's. So Ken Z's,

5031
02:09:13,916 --> 02:09:15,250
but Ken dot C's

5032
02:09:15,250 --> 02:09:16,125
will put the link

5033
02:09:16,125 --> 02:09:16,625
in the show

5034
02:09:16,625 --> 02:09:17,208
notes. Is there

5035
02:09:17,208 --> 02:09:17,791
any other way

5036
02:09:17,791 --> 02:09:18,500
that you want

5037
02:09:18,500 --> 02:09:19,208
people to get a

5038
02:09:19,208 --> 02:09:19,833
hold of you or?

5039
02:09:20,458 --> 02:09:21,458
In case TikTok

5040
02:09:21,458 --> 02:09:22,583
gets banned for

5041
02:09:22,583 --> 02:09:23,250
whatever reason,

5042
02:09:23,250 --> 02:09:24,458
I'm currently in

5043
02:09:24,458 --> 02:09:25,041
the United States

5044
02:09:25,041 --> 02:09:25,750
and I know we're

5045
02:09:25,750 --> 02:09:26,166
all the ones

5046
02:09:26,166 --> 02:09:27,041
dealing with it.

5047
02:09:27,041 --> 02:09:28,708
I'm on Blue Sky.

5048
02:09:29,291 --> 02:09:31,083
And I think

5049
02:09:31,083 --> 02:09:31,458
there's another

5050
02:09:31,458 --> 02:09:32,000
it's called

5051
02:09:32,000 --> 02:09:33,458
Skylight Social,

5052
02:09:33,750 --> 02:09:34,208
the new one that

5053
02:09:34,208 --> 02:09:34,916
just popped up.

5054
02:09:35,125 --> 02:09:35,875
I just added it's

5055
02:09:35,875 --> 02:09:36,666
linked to Blue

5056
02:09:36,666 --> 02:09:37,375
Sky, so they're

5057
02:09:37,375 --> 02:09:37,583
kind of

5058
02:09:37,583 --> 02:09:39,083
connected. I will

5059
02:09:39,083 --> 02:09:40,833
be also starting

5060
02:09:40,833 --> 02:09:42,000
a educational

5061
02:09:42,000 --> 02:09:43,291
like Instagram,

5062
02:09:43,666 --> 02:09:44,416
same all the same

5063
02:09:44,416 --> 02:09:44,916
handles.

5064
02:09:45,291 --> 02:09:46,333
I can't can dot

5065
02:09:46,333 --> 02:09:47,208
C's or Ken dot

5066
02:09:47,208 --> 02:09:48,458
C's or Ken dash

5067
02:09:48,458 --> 02:09:50,375
C's. So you can

5068
02:09:50,375 --> 02:09:50,875
follow me on all

5069
02:09:50,875 --> 02:09:51,583
the platforms on

5070
02:09:51,583 --> 02:09:51,916
that way.

5071
02:09:52,333 --> 02:09:52,750
I'll put all

5072
02:09:52,750 --> 02:09:53,208
those links in

5073
02:09:53,208 --> 02:09:53,666
the show notes

5074
02:09:53,666 --> 02:09:54,541
and I want to

5075
02:09:54,541 --> 02:09:55,083
thank you again,

5076
02:09:55,083 --> 02:09:55,375
Kenzie, for

5077
02:09:55,375 --> 02:09:55,708
coming on the

5078
02:09:55,708 --> 02:09:56,250
podcast. It's

5079
02:09:56,250 --> 02:09:57,125
been great. Thank

5080
02:09:57,125 --> 02:09:57,500
you for having

5081
02:09:57,500 --> 02:09:57,916
me. It was a

5082
02:09:57,916 --> 02:09:58,250
great time.

5083
02:09:58,541 --> 02:09:58,750
Thank you,

5084
02:09:58,750 --> 02:09:59,083
Kenzie, for

5085
02:09:59,083 --> 02:09:59,541
joining me on

5086
02:09:59,541 --> 02:10:00,250
today's episode

5087
02:10:00,250 --> 02:10:00,875
of the How to

5088
02:10:00,875 --> 02:10:01,333
Protect the Ocean

5089
02:10:01,333 --> 02:10:02,000
podcast and

5090
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:02,500
sharing your

5091
02:10:02,500 --> 02:10:03,625
story with the

5092
02:10:03,625 --> 02:10:04,333
audience. It was

5093
02:10:04,333 --> 02:10:05,000
great to be able

5094
02:10:05,000 --> 02:10:06,083
to hear how you

5095
02:10:06,083 --> 02:10:07,125
started, where

5096
02:10:07,125 --> 02:10:07,708
you're ending up

5097
02:10:07,708 --> 02:10:08,416
now and where

5098
02:10:08,416 --> 02:10:08,708
you're going to

5099
02:10:08,708 --> 02:10:09,458
go in the future

5100
02:10:09,458 --> 02:10:10,041
and your goals.

5101
02:10:10,458 --> 02:10:11,041
And I think it's

5102
02:10:11,041 --> 02:10:11,916
amazing. I can't

5103
02:10:11,916 --> 02:10:12,875
wait to see what

5104
02:10:12,875 --> 02:10:13,333
you come up with.

5105
02:10:13,333 --> 02:10:13,791
I can't wait to

5106
02:10:13,791 --> 02:10:14,375
have you back on

5107
02:10:14,375 --> 02:10:15,000
the podcast to

5108
02:10:15,000 --> 02:10:16,166
talk more about

5109
02:10:16,166 --> 02:10:16,875
sharks, more

5110
02:10:16,875 --> 02:10:17,708
about fisheries,

5111
02:10:18,083 --> 02:10:18,625
more about marine

5112
02:10:18,625 --> 02:10:19,250
biology and

5113
02:10:19,250 --> 02:10:19,458
science

5114
02:10:19,458 --> 02:10:19,916
communication.

5115
02:10:20,500 --> 02:10:21,416
It's all stuff

5116
02:10:21,416 --> 02:10:22,500
that we love to

5117
02:10:22,500 --> 02:10:23,083
talk about here

5118
02:10:23,083 --> 02:10:24,208
on the podcast. I

5119
02:10:24,208 --> 02:10:24,625
think it's really

5120
02:10:24,625 --> 02:10:25,250
interesting just

5121
02:10:25,250 --> 02:10:25,916
from a personal

5122
02:10:25,916 --> 02:10:26,708
standpoint, our

5123
02:10:26,708 --> 02:10:27,458
paths have been

5124
02:10:27,458 --> 02:10:28,083
very similar just

5125
02:10:28,083 --> 02:10:28,458
at different

5126
02:10:28,458 --> 02:10:29,458
times. I'm older

5127
02:10:29,458 --> 02:10:29,833
than her, much

5128
02:10:29,833 --> 02:10:30,458
older than her.

5129
02:10:30,791 --> 02:10:31,666
And we've had

5130
02:10:31,666 --> 02:10:33,125
very similar sort

5131
02:10:33,125 --> 02:10:34,000
of experiences

5132
02:10:34,000 --> 02:10:35,250
learning GIS and

5133
02:10:35,250 --> 02:10:36,125
working right

5134
02:10:36,125 --> 02:10:36,958
after university

5135
02:10:36,958 --> 02:10:37,750
and going back

5136
02:10:37,750 --> 02:10:38,083
and doing

5137
02:10:38,083 --> 02:10:38,791
graduate school.

5138
02:10:38,791 --> 02:10:39,458
So we have that

5139
02:10:39,458 --> 02:10:40,416
experience and we

5140
02:10:40,416 --> 02:10:41,041
have that field

5141
02:10:41,041 --> 02:10:41,666
experience.

5142
02:10:41,666 --> 02:10:42,416
They were able to

5143
02:10:42,416 --> 02:10:43,500
do a master's

5144
02:10:43,500 --> 02:10:44,166
where we're

5145
02:10:44,166 --> 02:10:45,000
looking at more

5146
02:10:45,000 --> 02:10:45,875
data intense

5147
02:10:45,875 --> 02:10:46,500
masters and

5148
02:10:46,500 --> 02:10:47,541
research compared

5149
02:10:47,541 --> 02:10:48,583
to field intense

5150
02:10:48,583 --> 02:10:49,250
masters and

5151
02:10:49,250 --> 02:10:50,000
research. And so

5152
02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:50,583
I think it's

5153
02:10:50,583 --> 02:10:51,166
really cool that

5154
02:10:51,166 --> 02:10:51,708
we have that

5155
02:10:51,708 --> 02:10:52,416
similar path.

5156
02:10:52,416 --> 02:10:52,875
Obviously,

5157
02:10:53,083 --> 02:10:53,250
science

5158
02:10:53,250 --> 02:10:53,750
communication

5159
02:10:53,750 --> 02:10:54,833
path as well. We

5160
02:10:54,833 --> 02:10:55,541
share. So it was

5161
02:10:55,541 --> 02:10:56,125
really great to

5162
02:10:56,125 --> 02:10:56,791
connect with her

5163
02:10:56,791 --> 02:10:57,333
on that.

5164
02:10:57,375 --> 02:10:58,250
And I just love

5165
02:10:58,250 --> 02:10:59,291
to hear that type

5166
02:10:59,291 --> 02:11:00,333
of story and to

5167
02:11:00,333 --> 02:11:00,791
know that, you

5168
02:11:00,791 --> 02:11:01,291
know what, not

5169
02:11:01,291 --> 02:11:02,291
everybody has a

5170
02:11:02,291 --> 02:11:03,041
unique path. I

5171
02:11:03,041 --> 02:11:03,458
mean, this is

5172
02:11:03,458 --> 02:11:04,208
unique in her own

5173
02:11:04,208 --> 02:11:05,000
right. But it's

5174
02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:05,833
very similar to a

5175
02:11:05,833 --> 02:11:06,708
lot of us who are

5176
02:11:06,708 --> 02:11:07,166
coming out and

5177
02:11:07,166 --> 02:11:07,541
doing more

5178
02:11:07,541 --> 02:11:07,791
science

5179
02:11:07,791 --> 02:11:08,541
communication. I

5180
02:11:08,541 --> 02:11:09,875
just love to see

5181
02:11:09,875 --> 02:11:10,541
that and enjoying

5182
02:11:10,541 --> 02:11:11,250
it. Not having

5183
02:11:11,250 --> 02:11:12,250
like, you know,

5184
02:11:12,458 --> 02:11:13,333
crazy goals of

5185
02:11:13,333 --> 02:11:14,041
earning a ton of

5186
02:11:14,041 --> 02:11:14,791
money becoming an

5187
02:11:14,791 --> 02:11:15,375
influencer, just

5188
02:11:15,375 --> 02:11:16,458
educating for one

5189
02:11:16,458 --> 02:11:17,500
person so that

5190
02:11:17,500 --> 02:11:17,833
they can

5191
02:11:17,833 --> 02:11:18,416
understand the

5192
02:11:18,416 --> 02:11:19,041
ocean a little

5193
02:11:19,041 --> 02:11:20,083
bit better. And

5194
02:11:20,083 --> 02:11:20,708
that's made her

5195
02:11:20,708 --> 02:11:21,625
day. I just love

5196
02:11:21,625 --> 02:11:22,625
that aspect. You

5197
02:11:22,625 --> 02:11:22,875
know, just

5198
02:11:22,875 --> 02:11:23,791
keeping it real,

5199
02:11:24,250 --> 02:11:24,958
keeping it, you

5200
02:11:24,958 --> 02:11:25,375
know, just right

5201
02:11:25,375 --> 02:11:25,833
in front of you

5202
02:11:25,833 --> 02:11:26,125
and just being

5203
02:11:26,125 --> 02:11:26,833
like, I just want

5204
02:11:26,833 --> 02:11:27,000
to talk about that.

5205
02:11:27,333 --> 02:11:28,250
I'm going to do

5206
02:11:28,250 --> 02:11:29,291
it anyway. I

5207
02:11:29,291 --> 02:11:29,750
might as well do

5208
02:11:29,750 --> 02:11:30,375
it on a platform

5209
02:11:30,375 --> 02:11:31,000
where people can

5210
02:11:31,000 --> 02:11:31,916
listen. And if

5211
02:11:31,916 --> 02:11:32,291
they're looking

5212
02:11:32,291 --> 02:11:33,083
for that type of

5213
02:11:33,083 --> 02:11:34,291
resource, they've

5214
02:11:34,291 --> 02:11:35,083
got it. So I'm

5215
02:11:35,083 --> 02:11:35,583
going to put the

5216
02:11:35,583 --> 02:11:36,791
links to Kenzie's

5217
02:11:36,791 --> 02:11:37,958
TikTok to her new

5218
02:11:37,958 --> 02:11:38,541
Instagram is

5219
02:11:38,541 --> 02:11:39,541
coming out to

5220
02:11:39,541 --> 02:11:40,791
blue sky in the

5221
02:11:40,791 --> 02:11:41,541
show notes. Check

5222
02:11:41,541 --> 02:11:42,208
it out. And I'd

5223
02:11:42,208 --> 02:11:43,000
love to hear your

5224
02:11:43,000 --> 02:11:44,083
comment on her

5225
02:11:44,083 --> 02:11:45,250
career. You know,

5226
02:11:45,250 --> 02:11:45,625
are you following

5227
02:11:45,625 --> 02:11:46,375
a similar path?

5228
02:11:46,375 --> 02:11:47,000
Do you want to

5229
02:11:47,000 --> 02:11:47,208
follow a similar

5230
02:11:47,208 --> 02:11:47,958
path? Hit me up

5231
02:11:47,958 --> 02:11:48,750
on Instagram at

5232
02:11:48,750 --> 02:11:49,333
how to protect

5233
02:11:49,333 --> 02:11:50,208
the ocean. Or you

5234
02:11:50,208 --> 02:11:50,791
can hit me up in

5235
02:11:50,791 --> 02:11:51,583
the comments. If

5236
02:11:51,583 --> 02:11:51,916
you're watching

5237
02:11:51,916 --> 02:11:52,833
this on YouTube,

5238
02:11:53,041 --> 02:11:53,458
and I would love

5239
02:11:53,458 --> 02:11:54,208
to hear your

5240
02:11:54,208 --> 02:11:54,875
thoughts about

5241
02:11:54,875 --> 02:11:55,666
all of this. So

5242
02:11:55,666 --> 02:11:56,500
thank you so

5243
02:11:56,500 --> 02:11:57,291
much, Kenzie, for your time.

5244
02:11:57,375 --> 02:11:57,958
Thank you so much for joining us.

5245
02:11:57,958 --> 02:11:58,708
And thank you for

5246
02:11:58,708 --> 02:11:59,291
joining us on

5247
02:11:59,291 --> 02:11:59,875
today's episode

5248
02:11:59,875 --> 02:12:00,500
of the How to

5249
02:12:00,500 --> 02:12:01,000
Protect the Ocean

5250
02:12:01,000 --> 02:12:02,000
podcast. I'm your

5251
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:02,375
host, Andrew

5252
02:12:02,375 --> 02:12:02,875
Lewin from the

5253
02:12:02,875 --> 02:12:03,458
True North Strong

5254
02:12:03,458 --> 02:12:04,458
and Free. Have a

5255
02:12:04,458 --> 02:12:05,000
great day. We'll

5256
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:05,458
talk to you next

5257
02:12:05,458 --> 02:12:06,250
time and happy

5258
02:12:06,250 --> 02:12:06,583
conservation.